From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 1 09:30:48 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:30:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic - Triumph TR8 IMSA GTO Message-ID: <000d01d53021$f648fc50$e2daf4f0$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, a little video from last Weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzFUzruOgk I had minor problems. In race 1 the rear tires didn't heat up and were underinflated and lost tire pressure from the high forces at Eau Rouge. I solved that for race 2 + 3. Unfortunately the corning forces are now high enough that the Watts link locator broke. I need to reinforce that device. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 1 17:16:00 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 01:16:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic - Triumph TR8 IMSA GTO In-Reply-To: References: <000d01d53021$f648fc50$e2daf4f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d53062$f34c4d90$d9e4e8b0$@gmail.com> And race 3. https://youtu.be/YX5k3ijexSc Cheers Chris On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:31 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Guys, a little video from last Weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzFUzruOgk I had minor problems. In race 1 the rear tires didn't heat up and were underinflated and lost tire pressure from the high forces at Eau Rouge. I solved that for race 2 + 3. Unfortunately the corning forces are now high enough that the Watts link locator broke. I need to reinforce that device. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jul 1 18:34:13 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes In-Reply-To: <1BBAFEF6-7084-49F5-8C6B-E5DAB7763337@att.net> References: <3DD6F733-1653-47F1-9FE6-C6E25C992FC2@icloud.com> <1BBAFEF6-7084-49F5-8C6B-E5DAB7763337@att.net> Message-ID: <828386D0-AC80-4779-9A9F-009EE15AB42B@icloud.com> I called both Pegasus and Canton today, no joy. Here is what I found online in another forum on the topic. This was allegedly posted by a Canton employee. We stopped selling the O-Ring kits and instead offer a rebuild service now. When we were selling the O-Ring kit we frequently had to deal with customers that ruined their Accusumps and then wanted us to warranty the parts. If you are going to take the Accusump apart be VERY aware of how much pressure you are putting on the tube. The most common issue we saw was the Accusump tube being clamped down on and the tube would then be out of round and no longer get a proper seal. This jives with what Canton told me on the phone today. I?ve been pulling my accusump apart on average once a year for 10 years now as a part of a oil system cleaning inspection process, never had a problem. I guess I am not to be trusted, good to know. Anyways, I?ll just take the failing o?rings to the local hydraulic shop and get some replacements. If I remember to do it, I?ll post sizes once I find them. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Paul Ricco wrote: > > Greg, > > Pegasus Racing sells the rebuild kits for Accusump. > > Or you can go to Canton?s website. > > Or call the tech line at Pegasus on Monday and ask for Bob or Bart. They will get you what you need. > > Paul Ricco > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 29, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> Autocorrect got me. Looking to replace the Orings on the accusump piston and end caps. I can?t find the sizes listed anywhere. >> >> I found about 1/4 qt behind the piston (air side) when cleaning it today. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 2 09:59:03 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:59:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Whose car is this? 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu Jul 4 14:34:59 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 15:34:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump orings Message-ID: I found the proper size O-Rings, no thanks to Canton. They were no help whatsoever. So the end cap O-Rings are No 241 the piston takes No 341. Averaged $1/ea at the local seal supply. Greg Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jul 6 17:53:34 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:53:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump orings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DCE9F34-4ABE-40E1-AA0E-FE394323F105@icloud.com> Strike that. The end cap O-Ring I purchased, No 241, had a diameter a little to big for the end cap seal. My guess is it is s 240. The piston O-Rings worked well upon reassemble and pressure testing. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > I found the proper size O-Rings, no thanks to Canton. They were no help whatsoever. > > So the end cap O-Rings are No 241 the piston takes No 341. > > Averaged $1/ea at the local seal supply. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Mon Jul 8 06:32:10 2019 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:32:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: References: <4C880B8A-EF63-4D7A-8036-E89EB5CA5406@me.com> <7235EF4C-D6E0-4D92-8838-B5B9C07A8088@gmail.com> <79adf644895f4f3ca8eef3c3f05a2041@dieselperformanceparts.com> <18af672790514be6932bdf29a8c8c325@dieselperformanceparts.com> <332fd4199d1049bdbbc5fbf60eab70b3@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: <881455d065a4498389490b1bf0a5d4f3@dieselperformanceparts.com> Chuck, All things being equal and my price sheet being current they will cost you 243.50 and a little UPS. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: chasgee22 at gmail.com [mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 1:14 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells Hi Mark, I finally got around to figuring out what I need. Here are the part numbers: TF600-6 plate TF207 dip stick, unless the above comes with it, but doesn?t look like it does. How much and how long to get? Thanks, Chuck Gee On Mar 13, 2019, at 5:37 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: 91.30 and shipping. Just be 1000% sure it is the correct part. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:19 AM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells the part number is BF610 On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:16 AM DPPI - Mark Craig > wrote: John, Get on ATL?s site and get me a part number and then I can get you a price. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 7:13 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells What price can you get on foam for a 10 gal sport cell BF610. Thanks On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:28 PM DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: As a reminder I offer ATL cells to all the FOT members at a low discount too. Get your part number and e mail it to me. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 11:26 PM To: Scott Janzen > Cc: Steve Hirschtritt >; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells I thought it was best to replace the original 1969 fuel bladder in the Spitfire... Found an 8 gallon ATL cell that fit right in the original can with minimal modification... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman fuel cell. I?d always been under the impression that these things aged out. My vintage organization does not require certification or date tags, however, unlike on seat belts. I called Fuel Safe, talked to a helpful tech, and he said if the bladder isn?t leaking, if the foam isn?t breaking down and showing up in the fuel filter, and the bladder is still flexible, no cracking, it could last for 20 years. It should be inspected, but they were not pushing to sell me a new one. Just saved $700 bucks. Makes you wonder about the FIA language, should you be planning to race in Europe: 2 FUEL BLADDER LIFETIME No fuel bladders shall be used for more than 5 years after the date of manufacture, unless reinspected and recertified by the manufacturer at the end of this 5 year period, for a supplementary period of up to 2 years after the date of recertification not exceeding 7 years after the date of manufacture. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ebay item number: 254289435385 Back to previous pageReturn to top Additional site navigation - About eBay - Announcements - Community - Security Center - Resolution Center - Seller Center - Policies - Affiliates - Help & Contact - Site Map Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Accessibility , User Agreement , Privacy , Cookies and AdChoice *Norton Secured - powered by Verisign* -- *Craig Leinicke* Leinicke Group, Inc. 213 Old Meramec Station Rd. Manchester, MO 63021 craigl at leinickegroup.com O: 636-227-4424 C: 636-236-8452 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jul 8 16:20:32 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:20:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a TR6 louvered hood I would sell. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:27 PM Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: > A fellow Sports Car Club member brought by a very nice early Triumph > louvered race car hood (flat hinge panel) which was removed from a TR2 > vintage race car. > The TR2 is being restored for street/show use and the owner no longer > wants the hood. He wants $500. Hood is very nice. > Ebay item number: 254289435385 > Back to previous pageReturn to top > > Additional site navigation > > - About eBay > - Announcements > - Community > - Security Center > - Resolution Center > - Seller Center > > - Policies > - Affiliates > - Help & Contact > - Site Map > > Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Accessibility > , User Agreement > , Privacy > , Cookies > and > AdChoice *Norton Secured - powered by > Verisign* > > > > > -- > *Craig Leinicke* > Leinicke Group, Inc. > 213 Old Meramec Station Rd. > Manchester, MO 63021 > craigl at leinickegroup.com > O: 636-227-4424 > C: 636-236-8452 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jul 8 17:08:53 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:08:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] R200 differential install to TR4A Message-ID: List, I?m assembling all the parts needed to install a R200 short tail 3.69 viscous LSD from an Infinity into my TR4A. Goodparts kit will arrive tomorrow and I?m having a driveshaft shortened locally. I sourced the diff locally. I?m interested in hearing from others who have done this themselves on a TR4A or TR6 and what if any problems did you encounter? And your solutions. Of particular interest is the use of springs between the 2 sections of the halfshafts and your experience in determining the correct length of those springs. Richard recomends them and he makes a compelling argument for their use. Also I?m aware of the diff flange having some interference with the bodywork in the tee shirt area. 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Sent from my iPhone From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 06:08:53 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wilwood compact MC part No 260-6087 In-Reply-To: <09D087CB-DD7E-442B-9373-4CE1D0661613@icloud.com> References: <09D087CB-DD7E-442B-9373-4CE1D0661613@icloud.com> Message-ID: Try Speedway Motors https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Search?query=master+cylinder+rebuild+kit Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:56 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > Anyone using these Girling style master cylinders? Do you know the part > number for a rebuild kit for the 260-6087 5/8? compact master cylinder? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jameselbe at aol.com Tue Jul 9 09:14:14 2019 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543749048.257010.1562685254648@mail.yahoo.com> ??????????????????????????????????????????????I have a TR4 louvered hood I would sell??-----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer via Fot To: Craig Leinicke Cc: Fot Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood I have a TR6 louvered hood I would sell. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:27 PM Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: A fellow Sports Car Club member brought by a very nice early Triumph louvered race car hood (flat hinge panel) which was removed from a TR2 vintage race car.The TR2 is being restored for street/show use and the owner no longer wants the hood. He wants $500. 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URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 9 10:11:15 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] R200 differential install to TR4A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2007161197.592549.1562688675913@connect.xfinity.com> Jerry, I don't use the R200 diff. I use the Triumph diff with the Quaiffe limited slip. I do use Richards CV axles and hubs though. Are you still using stock hubs ? It sounds like your using the stock 1/2 shafts and adding the springs for the stiction problem they supposedly have. jim g > On July 8, 2019 at 5:08 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > List, I?m assembling all the parts needed to install a R200 short tail 3.69 viscous LSD from an Infinity into my TR4A. Goodparts kit will arrive tomorrow and I?m having a driveshaft shortened locally. I sourced the diff locally. I?m interested in hearing from others who have done this themselves on a TR4A or TR6 and what if any problems did you encounter? And your solutions. > > Of particular interest is the use of springs between the 2 sections of the halfshafts and your experience in determining the correct length of those springs. Richard recomends them and he makes a compelling argument for their use. Also I?m aware of the diff flange having some interference with the bodywork in the tee shirt area. My frame is reinforced and I have replaced the OE rubber trailing arm bushes with solid ones. > > Kindly tell me your experience. > > Thanks, > > Jerry Van Vlack > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 14:32:14 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood In-Reply-To: <543749048.257010.1562685254648@mail.yahoo.com> References: <543749048.257010.1562685254648@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hijack the thread... I?ve got a nearly new set of 8 spoke Koenig Rewind 15x7?s that briefly ran on our TR6. These are the minilite style wheels that Discount Tire sells for just under $500 for a set of 4. The catch is the spokes have been painted white, nicely painted and still have silver rim. Yours for $200 plus shipping. Private message me for photos or more info. Dusty Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:14 AM, jameselbe--- via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a TR4 louvered hood I would sell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Craig Leinicke > Cc: Fot > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 4:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood > > I have a TR6 louvered hood I would sell. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:27 PM Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: > A fellow Sports Car Club member brought by a very nice early Triumph louvered race car hood (flat hinge panel) which was removed from a TR2 vintage race car. > The TR2 is being restored for street/show use and the owner no longer wants the hood. He wants $500. 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 14:40:03 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:40:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Message-ID: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Some interesting stuff here. http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html mjb. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 15:16:44 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 15:31:48 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:31:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. mjb. From bownes at web9.com Wed Jul 10 18:09:45 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> Message-ID: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. > > My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to > Europe. Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 10 19:40:29 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:40:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> My guess would be they need sold to settle the estate and or equitably distribute the assets if any remain after debts are settled. Not privy to any information but that's how estates are settled. Not certain the kids have any control or little control at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 5:16 PM To: Mark J Bradakis ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot > wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 10 20:35:39 2019 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Turns out, Charles borrowed a lot of money, and failed to keep his promise to buy life insurance to cover it. So his heirs are trying to raise as much cash as possible, to pay off the debts without having to liquidate TRF. They (through lawyers of course) have already said it won?t be enough, but they are hoping to persuade a judge to let them pay the balance from future TRF profits. BTW, the Coventry Inn is up for sale too. Randall From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 8:40 PM To: Brad Eells; Mark J Bradakis; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection My guess would be they need sold to settle the estate and or equitably distribute the assets if any remain after debts are settled. Not privy to any information but that's how estates are settled. Not certain the kids have any control or little control at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 5:16 PM To: Mark J Bradakis ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot > wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 20:58:11 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:58:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <20190711023546.03A6CA18CF@autox.team.net> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> <20190711023546.03A6CA18CF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <790177a6-e71f-2441-ee56-f3b2f17a05ea@bradakis.com> On 7/10/19 8:35 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > BTW, the Coventry Inn is up for sale too. > Back when Charles first acquired the place I thought my ideal job would have been to be the brewmaster at the Inn.? I could have made some good beer, helped with the food, kept the company computers running, and filled in with Triumph related stuff if needed.? A chance to showcase all my talents! mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jul 10 22:48:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection References: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053@mail.yahoo.com> Tim Murphy has a gorgeous TR5, and has figured out how to keep it?running correctly. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Wednesday, July 10, 2019,?robert bownes via Fot??wrote: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jul 10 22:48:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection References: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053@mail.yahoo.com> Tim Murphy has a gorgeous TR5, and has figured out how to keep it?running correctly. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Wednesday, July 10, 2019,?robert bownes via Fot??wrote: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? 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URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 18:57:42 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking Message-ID: Hello FOT, Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jul 13 19:15:43 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:15:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 19:17:43 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: > Jason; > What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, > although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More > than that could be causing you some of this problem. > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hello FOT, > > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the > braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that > I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel > flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into > the intake... > > > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes > completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears > out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or > starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the > jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has > somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them > a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > > > Jason Sukey > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jul 13 19:28:59 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:28:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. > > Thanks, > Jason > >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 19:37:05 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:37:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during > the entire run. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: > >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, >> although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More >> than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted >> the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now >> that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be >> fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet >> into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes >> completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears >> out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or >> starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the >> jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has >> somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them >> a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 13 20:54:35 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 02:54:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com>, Message-ID: Jason, it?s been a while since I laid eyes on a GT6 engine, so forgive me. Are both float chambers on the same side of the carbs? Or is the rear one to the outside rear of the carb and the front one to the outside pointing to the front of the car? Or vice versa? Sounds like under braking the carb with the fuel channel to the jet that pointing to the front of the car is getting a higher fuel level and thus flooding that carb. Is it possible to rotate that float bowl to the other side? Terry Stetler. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jason Sukey via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 9:37:05 PM To: Greg Blake Cc: FOT list Subject: Re: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake > wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott > wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 13 21:09:16 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 22:09:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the > pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is > nearest the radiator. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake > wrote: > > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > > wrote: > >> Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent >> during the entire run. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott > > wrote: >> >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 >> to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no >> apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some >> of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? >> I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since >> the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, >> I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible >> sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the >> intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the >> engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After >> a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other >> conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. >> Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the >> top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from >> there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still >> significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, >> but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sat Jul 13 21:20:26 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:20:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1C4DC737-8C98-4FD8-A4EF-53C081E9FE54@artwithcars.com> Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom ~Steve > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. > > Regards, Tony > >> On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: >>> What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >>>> Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jason >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >>>>> Jason; >>>>> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >>>>> Phil Gott >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hello FOT, >>>>> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >>>>> > >>>>> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >>>>> > >>>>> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >>>>> > >>>>> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >>>>> > >>>>> > Jason Sukey >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > fot at autox.team.net >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> > >>>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 13 22:49:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 04:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing?gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. ?At the end of a session your ?new??floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. ?Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom?aluminum ones that worked perfect.? We got through the season. ??And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 13, 2019,?Steven Belfer via Fot??wrote: Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom? ~Steve On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? ? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant.? Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs?? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 13 22:49:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 04:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing?gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. ?At the end of a session your ?new??floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. ?Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom?aluminum ones that worked perfect.? We got through the season. ??And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 13, 2019,?Steven Belfer via Fot??wrote: Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom? ~Steve On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? ? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant.? Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs?? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Jul 14 06:06:14 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51265945-E4C6-49A3-A040-AFACD39C6A94@icloud.com> Ok this is a long shot but. I was have a similar issue in the TR3 recently and it turned out I had a combination of issues that led to a very over rich condition. I use the Holley chrome fuel pressure regulator and I have a fuel isolator in the engine bay with a fuel pressure gauge in the dash. One weekend, the rubber diaphragm in the regulator started leaking and I did not have a replacement. I borrowed one from a buddy who?s car was on the trailer. Turns out, his regulator had the high pressure spring that can?t regulate fuel bellow about 5 psi. As luck would have it, I also had a bubble in my gauge isolator line. The bubble was causing a false low pressure reading so I kept cranking it up at the regulator. This was a frustrating process as the car starting progressively bogging down after hard braking and hard cornering, which is where I do about 90% of my passing. It?s embarrassing to admit now, but this took me two race weekends to figure out. Finally I decided to take apart the gauge isolation system and start over. Once back together, the true pressure reading indicated 8 psi. Next I took apart the borrowed regulator to rebuild it with the kit and I discovered the high pressure spring. Rebuilt with the appropriate spring and all is right. Like I said, long shot, but it?s worth sharing in case it helps you think through some related change you might have made recently. It?s amazing how simple the fix typically turns out. Good luck. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 11:49 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. At the end of a session your ?new? floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom aluminum ones that worked perfect. We got through the season. And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Saturday, July 13, 2019, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom > > ~Steve > > >> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > > > We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. > > Regards, Tony > >> On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > >> Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jul 14 09:10:39 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:10:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1663702894.225555956.1563117039204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Jason, I once had a similar problem. I swore it was flooding, but in the end it was a loose coupling of the fuel line onto the tank : at every braking zone, the line was forced forward and thus air was sucked in the line and into the fuel pump. Every time,it took a few seconds for the pump to make pressure again. Another possibility : the fuel line can be crushed somewhere i.e. by the engine when it is moving forward under braking. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "Jason Sukey" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 14 juli 2019 05:09:16 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake < [ mailto:gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott < [ mailto:vfracing at aol.com | vfracing at aol.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > > [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] > > Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] > Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] > Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com ] > > BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 15:30:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America Message-ID: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Anyone going to be there? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jsukey at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 16:56:52 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:56:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the advice on my carburetor issues. I checked all the vent tubes for blockage and needle valves for sticking, all is well there. Today i tried rotating the rear float lid 120 degrees. This fixed the flooding during hard braking 100%.... Now it floods out turning left. I'm fairly certain that i can fix it all once i swap the rear float cover to one that has the ideal orientation (to match what i currently have on the front). Front carb has the pivot swing front to rear with the pivot pin at the front of the car. Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 8:57 PM Jason Sukey wrote: > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the > braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that > I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel > flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into > the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes > completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears > out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or > starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the > jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has > somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them > a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 15 11:05:51 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:05:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins Message-ID: The great local hardware store that I've always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They're awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? 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Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They?re awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 20:06:23 2019 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:06:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire electric fuel pump Message-ID: Tired of playing with the mechanical fuel pump. Looking to put in an electric pump. Street Spit, Stromberg CD150. What is the recommended pump? Thanks, Doug Mitchell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dulon50 at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 20:22:33 2019 From: dulon50 at gmail.com (Leonard Root) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aircraft Spruce,, Aviation grade hardware My 2 cents On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 12:07 Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware from > seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They?re > awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. > > > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will > be any better? > > > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and > stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy > away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at > all about monel. > > > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dulon50 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 16 04:26:08 2019 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 06:26:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Over the years I've bought all my AN hardware from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, including cotter pins. They are located in Atlanta. They ship out real fast. Bob Davis On 7/15/19 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware > from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality.? > They?re awfully brittle.? Weak.? Ineffectual. > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs > will be any better? > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and > stainless.? Any recommendations about what is most appropriate?? I?ll > shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft.? And I know > nothing at all about monel. > > Scott (B.) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. >> >> Scott (B.) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll shy away from stainless as it's usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:13:59 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ford Type 9 lost third gear Message-ID: Hi again FOT- My GT6 is running the Ford type 9 5 speed setup. In my Sunday race session, it "lost" third gear as I was making a 4th to 3rd downshift. The lever won't move forward into 3rd, feels like a hard stop. No grinding or any unusual noises. As it sits now, all other gears work normally. Thinking back, there were a few times the previous race weekend where I had difficulty selecting third, I had just chalked it up to driver error, maybe that was the beginning of it? I checked the gear oil prior to this weekend, it was full and didn't need any added. Anyone out there racing with this setup have any suggestions where to start when I tear it down? Thanks, Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jameselbe at aol.com Tue Jul 16 12:27:48 2019 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] ATTENTION BOB BRWNES References: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088@mail.yahoo.com> Did you find a TR6 Manifolds. If not I have one. Sorry it took so long.???????????????????????????????????????????? Jim Elbe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Much to my surprise I also discovered that I have both wide and narrow spacing intake manifolds on the shelf! I didn't think I had any. Looks like I don't have any exhaust manifolds, but those are all the same according to the folks here. So now I have no real excuse not to get that project done. Unless someone here has a nice rotoflex Formula Ford rear end I can use to distract me. ;) Thanks, Bob For those who are curious, I bought a FF chassis many years ago with an eye to turning it into a TR powered race car. OF late, I have been doing a bit of research into it, and it appears to be on of a very small number of Nike formula fords. There were about 10 MK4's, one MK5, a whole bunch of MK 6's, and two or three MK10's. There wer a few other one offs, including a FV. It's not a MK4 or 6, I don't think it is the MK5 (F5000 monster) Possibly even the sole surviving example of On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:28 PM jameselbe--- via Fot wrote: > Did you find a TR6 Manifolds. If not I have one. Sorry it took so long. > Jim Elbe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Tue Jul 16 16:08:37 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New TR6 Vertical Links Message-ID: <4B70C0D0-E896-4C65-95EA-77F67BA23245@att.net> FOT, Good afternoon. We have a brand new set of TR6 Vertical Links that we ordered, prepped and painted black. They were delivered to us May 30th, 2019. They are brand new, fresh and have never been on a car. They were masked and painted carefully, so none of the places that should not have painted got painted. It turns out that they were ordered in error an we do not need them. They are part numbers Vertical Link LH 307216 Vertical Link RH 307215 Moss sells them for $249 a piece, plus their absurdly expensive and very slow S&H. That would be $498 + Shipping. The would come to you unpainted. We would like to offer them to FOT, before putting then on EBAY. We will offer them to FOT listers for $375 for the pair and we will include US Postal Service flat rate shipping on them. Included shipping will be for within the continental US. Please send me an email or call me at 813-716-1931 if you would like to purchase them. Thanks, Paul Ricco From pethier7 at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 16:41:55 2019 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America In-Reply-To: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> References: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Message-ID: Went to RA for the June Sprints. Shot a few pix. https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/albums/72157709194400312 Won't be able to get there for the Redman On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Anyone going to be there? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 16:48:18 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America In-Reply-To: References: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54BE0790-1F78-4363-A5A3-D8D3FDD37061@gmail.com> Thanks for sharing. Great pictures. Love the Miatas....and Scott Barr. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jul 17, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Philip Ethier wrote: > > Went to RA for the June Sprints. Shot a few pix. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/albums/72157709194400312 > > Won't be able to get there for the Redman > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Anyone going to be there? >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net >> >> > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Jul 18 09:10:51 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:10:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New TR6 Vertical Links In-Reply-To: <4B70C0D0-E896-4C65-95EA-77F67BA23245@att.net> References: <4B70C0D0-E896-4C65-95EA-77F67BA23245@att.net> Message-ID: FOT, Thank you for all the interest in the Vertical Links. They are sold. Paul > On Jul 16, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > FOT, > > Good afternoon. We have a brand new set of TR6 Vertical Links that we ordered, prepped and painted black. They were delivered to us May 30th, 2019. They are brand new, fresh and have never been on a car. They were masked and painted carefully, so none of the places that should not have painted got painted. > > It turns out that they were ordered in error an we do not need them. > > They are part numbers > > Vertical Link LH 307216 > Vertical Link RH 307215 > > Moss sells them for $249 a piece, plus their absurdly expensive and very slow S&H. That would be $498 + Shipping. The would come to you unpainted. > > We would like to offer them to FOT, before putting then on EBAY. > > We will offer them to FOT listers for $375 for the pair and we will include US Postal Service flat rate shipping on them. Included shipping will be for within the continental US. > > Please send me an email or call me at 813-716-1931 if you would like to purchase them. > > Thanks, > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jul 18 09:51:48 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:51:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need a chassis moved from St. Louis to NY. Message-ID: Anyone driving east with an empty trailer? So I'm getting rid of projects. Really. Now that I've discovered the Formula Ford I have is one of 10 ever built, I'm less inclined to hack it up, put the rover V8 in it and call if a Formula 5000. So I'm selling it off. Let someone else take on creating unique bodywork from scratch...I'll start with something I feel less guilty about destroying. Maybe. :) But in doing the research, I got sucked into the evil world of pre-1970 formula cars. And I found a great project, albeit without a lot of Triumph content, but lots of local flavor as it was built in New England and first races at Lime Rock 50 years ago next year. Anyway, long story short, If I can find a way to get Caldwell FSV chassis #1 transported eastward from St. Louis, I'll have a project for the winter to get it on the track for the 50th reunion of FSV next year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It could be yours for the cost of shipping. Smilie face, Dave 831-234-4928 > On July 20, 2019 at 7:52 AM Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > > AMICI - does anyone have a left side door capping piece to sell? > Thanks > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 09:38:01 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:38:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Message-ID: Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? Curious minds want to know. mike h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Sat Jul 20 10:11:47 2019 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-4 Tonneau cover Message-ID: I have a brand new black vinyl TR-4 Tonneau cover from Moss. I used it as a pattern to build a custom tonneau cover for my race car. It is in the box in perfect condition and I am happy to sell it for $150 or half Moss's price. Call or email Alan Berry at 858 442-9098 or alanb at alanberrydesign.com . Thanks! Alan (#41, Irv Korey's old car) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sat Jul 20 10:12:50 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:12:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Mike, Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. Paul Ricco > On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > > How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > Curious minds want to know. > > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 10:47:14 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately none for the Spitfire despite its illustrious SCCA career. I was able to document 45 races and 20 wins 1970-76 through a lot of hard research. I have the SCCA logbook for the TR4 that documents its entire road racing career 1974-79. I connected with the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association historian and he was able to provide me the complete hillclimbing career prior to SCCA racing 1971-73. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > > How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > Curious minds want to know. > > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 10:48:45 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From cmstenquist at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 11:01:00 2019 From: cmstenquist at gmail.com (carl stenquist) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from > SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when > SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook > that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even > though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who > handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing > them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know > about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > > > Paul Ricco > > > > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at > Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 > SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never > a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while > the car was in it's prime. > >> > >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the > original one? > >> Curious minds want to know. > >> > >> mike h > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 11:55:18 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing with dead dampers In-Reply-To: <000a01d53f1d$4d6df170$e849d450$@gmail.com> References: <000a01d53f1d$4d6df170$e849d450$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I raced almost two full weekends with a broken front shock. The shaft snapped off at the top of the shock tower so the gas pressure kept the shaft fully extended inside the dust cover. I was had handling issues the entire time, none of the usual trackside tweaks, like tire pressure, shock compression (Spax, adjusted while on the car with a screw on the bottom), check for loose bolts or alignment seemed to help. I found it when I jacked up the car to put on rain tires and the shock was leaning inside the spring. These cars keep finding new ways to break. mike h On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:05 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > I?ve just found out that I had raced the last two events with dead dampers > on the front end. > > Well, I?ve noticed the jumping on the front but thought, maybe this is TR8 > specific. > > > > Now I know better after I had hands on new shocks. > > > > Next race is at Dijon?..there I see what is the difference to new shocks. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 12:52:39 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mike,My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. ?Every ?logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ??update the picture!!? ?I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen.? I believe they have all of the SCCA archives.? ?607-535-9044Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4.? It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book.? > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA.? We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks.? You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them.? SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more.? > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jul 20 14:15:38 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Girling caliper seals TR/GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Jason: The brakes on a GT6 are asked to do a lot. The car weighs about as much as a TR4, but it?s nose heavy and you run 13? wheels, compared to the 15s on a TR. Smaller discs, less size to absorb heat and less ventilation. That said, I?ve only had a seal fail once - summer race weekend, put the car on the trailer hot, and found brake fluid on the trailer floor when I got home. Calipers had not been rebuilt for a while. Since then, I try to repack wheel bearings and pop the pistons out of the calipers about every two weekends. When the seals have gotten a little crispy on the outside edge, I replace them. I just get the Moss rebuild kits, though Dave Bean Lotus on the west coast has something special that costs more. Not sure it?s worth it. I don?t bother with dust seals as they just melt. I?ve rebuilt the same calipers over and over, use stainless steel pistons which I polish occasionally when they get scuffed. I never break the calipers apart. Bore condition really only has an effect on the piston wear, as the seal does not move in the bore. White Post tells me they do not re-sleeve caliper bores. You might try brake ducting to bring the temp down a bit. Motul 600 is good, but I boiled it once on an enduro pit stop, and now use the ridiculously expensive Castrol Gold stuff. See you at the races! On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: After two race weekends I have a leaky Girling 16pb caliper- Before the season, i rebuilt them with new pistons and seals, paying attention to carefully clean everything including the seal groves before assembly. The seal kit i used was branded TRW, Pistons are nitrided steel. Motul RBF600 fluid. Could just be a fluke..... Is there a particular brand of seals that hold up better to racing use? What sort of service life are others getting in-between rebuilds? Jason _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 20 15:24:19 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:24:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> Keep the old picture! The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. Bob > On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Mike, > My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: > > Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 > Carl Stenquist > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > > > Paul Ricco > > > > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > >> > >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > >> > >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > >> Curious minds want to know. > >> > >> mike h > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jul 20 16:51:08 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:51:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Girling caliper seals TR/GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78C05B16-F2C1-4B8E-814B-49BFC85BAC04@aol.com> Jason: I am on my third season (about 15 races) using seals from Roadster Factory and Girling LMA fluid. No problems. I do the Kastner trick of squaring up the pads every 2 races to make sure the forces on the pistons are reasonably parallel to the bore of the caliper. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > After two race weekends I have a leaky Girling 16pb caliper- Before the season, i rebuilt them with new pistons and seals, paying attention to carefully clean everything including the seal groves before assembly. The seal kit i used was branded TRW, Pistons are nitrided steel. Motul RBF600 fluid. > Could just be a fluke..... > Is there a particular brand of seals that hold up better to racing use? > > What sort of service life are others getting in-between rebuilds? > > Jason > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 17:08:57 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:08:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> Message-ID: <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> Fun story... I spent untold hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they weren?t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it. Thankfully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car. Fun part is, I didn?t check the old reg until questioned. Measured the dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thinnest of margins...sometimes better to be lucky than good... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > > Keep the old picture! > > The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. > > I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. > > Bob > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: >> >> Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 >> Carl Stenquist >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Mike, >> > >> > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. >> > >> > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. >> > >> > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. >> > >> > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. >> > >> > Paul Ricco >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> >> >> mike h >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage >> : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He said to use a drill press to do it. I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like that scrapped. Cheers, Bill On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jul 21 04:45:33 2019 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 05:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19E4AAAF54F44E4EB0830059DCFB9E1C@Rocky> At the 2011 Runoffs in the post-race tech line, the scrute pulled a plumb bob out of his pocket and suggested my air dam was wider than the bodywork of my Spitfire. He was looking at the fiberglass hood. Pointed out to him it could not be any further in as it was directly attached to the front valance which, after some 47 years of life, did not precisely line up with the hood, but it was original bodywork ? hidden behind the dam but required to be on the car -- while the hood wasn?t OEM. (I?d add the scrute was a friend who was yanking my chain as much as anything. ) --Rocky Entriken From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:08 PM To: Bob Bownes -Seiri Cc: FoTTriumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Fun story... I spent untold hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they weren?t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it. Thankfully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car. Fun part is, I didn?t check the old reg until questioned. Measured the dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thinnest of margins...sometimes better to be lucky than good... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: Keep the old picture! The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. Bob On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: Hi Mike, My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wrote the CRB suggesting that only the latest logbook back to the most recent Annual Tech need be shown, and that carrying around a document dating back to the ?70s was unnecessarily damaging to it. --Rocky Entriken From: Mike Harmuth via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:38 AM To: FoTTriumph Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? 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Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:35 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject) Hi All, I use the same setup as Phil, with good results. Squaring the pads is in one of Kas' books. Its making the pad surface flat. He said to use a drill press to do it. I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like that scrapped. Cheers, Bill On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. 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URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 08:33:45 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! -Marhieu _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 08:53:41 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:53:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Message-ID: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jul 21 09:10:07 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:10:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Back about 20 years or so I was impressed with Keizer Wheels. They made some very lightweight, like 7 pounds, three piece modular wheels.? The weight difference between a 6" wheel and an 8" wheel was only a couple of ounces. The center sections were made to fit the 4 on 3.75" pattern, and the center hole was an exact 55mm to make the wheels hubcentric on a Spitfire.? At least I think that was the dimension, it has been a LONG time.? I was working on becoming a local distributor, I recall Karen coming home one evening to find a big stack of 3 sets of 13 and 15 wheels cluttering the back porch. They are still in business, https://keizerwheels.com I have no idea of current pricing and product availability, but you may want to take a look at what they have. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ALPIN005.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 63040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 09:22:46 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> Did you try VTO? Spitfire (66-78) | | | | Spitfire (66-78) Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... | | | They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". Regards,Bob Lang On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jul 21 09:37:46 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 09:47:18 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: Also here? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:51:42 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:51:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> I think the trick with what?s available now is offsets. My period magnesium Minilites have a significant difference in front and rear offset. I am running a 3/8? spacer on the rear as well. I?m no expert but the guy that built my car was. I?m sure all the choices made were making the car faster... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Did you try VTO? > > Spitfire (66-78) > > Spitfire (66-78) > Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... > > > They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:53:02 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AAFAA55-0589-4C4D-983A-297BB5B09285@gmail.com> 9.5? wide...you could run some F1 tires on those! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > I think the trick with what?s available now is offsets. > > My period magnesium Minilites have a significant difference in front and rear offset. I am running a 3/8? spacer on the rear as well. > > I?m no expert but the guy that built my car was. I?m sure all the choices made were making the car faster... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> Did you try VTO? >> >> Spitfire (66-78) >> >> Spitfire (66-78) >> Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... >> >> >> They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Hey friends, >> I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:54:44 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> Genuine Minilites as well... https://www.minilitewheels.us/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: > > > https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM > To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) > Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot > Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels > > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jul 21 11:10:08 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B90D1C0-1EFC-48E4-BF25-4901A89CAF5D@att.net> Jon and Brad, Revolution and Minilite are actually part of the same company. Through the business that we own, we just brought a set of Minilites from the UK to the US on a direct deal. The old US distributer is having some issues. You may find response times to be very slow, like a month between emails. There is back story to that, and I will refrain from boring everyone with it. We had an excellent experience dealing with Minilite in the UK. They where very responsive and the wheels arrived the same week that we ordered them. I actually ordered bushing from Moss that where in stock and Minilites from England on the same day. The Minilite delivery got here 4 days before the Moss order. If anyone on FOT wants to see the current Minilite wheel, we will have a new set with us at Watkins Glen in September. We will also have a copy of their current catalog offering with us. They are offering a wide range of Offsets in most sizes. They also know the Triumph car line very well. If anyone needs or wants help ordering them, we committed to Minilite that we would be willing to help others in the US. We have had a very good experience so far. Paul Ricco (813) 716-1931 paulricco at meridiandealerservices.com > On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Genuine Minilites as well... > > https://www.minilitewheels.us/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, David Gott via Fot > wrote: > >> You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: >> >> >> https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/ >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot > wrote: >> >> Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com ] >> Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM >> To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net ) >> Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot >> Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels >> >> Hey friends, >> I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 11:29:36 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head?is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop.The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. SOHere's where the help comes in.Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes!Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. If its not one thing, its anotherNick in Nor Cal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 11:40:22 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:40:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try these guys. I've been using their wheels for years on the spit race car and my street Triumphs. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Spitfire-and-GT6-Minilight-Alloy-wheels-Rims-SILVER/311043263431?epid=682869525&hash=item486b9f8bc7:g:ViQAAOSwEzxYU8vW The parent company has a larger assortment of styles and widths, http://www.johnbrownwheels.com/ NFI mike h On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, > but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable > set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located > in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 13:03:03 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help In-Reply-To: <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> I think there?s probably some ?snake-b-gone? type product at your friendly local builder supply store. I saw some sort of product at Lowe?s a few days ago. or catch a mouse, tie a string on its leg and use it as bait. When the snake is fat and slow with freshly swallowed mouse, you yank the string and pull it outside. Drop it off two miles away (cut off the rest of the string if you don?t want it to die). Duncan > On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head > is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). > > I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop. > The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. > > SO > Here's where the help comes in. > Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes! > Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. > > If its not one thing, its another > Nick in Nor Cal > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jul 21 13:27:19 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:27:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at ponostyle.com Sun Jul 21 14:18:20 2019 From: bill at ponostyle.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:18:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help In-Reply-To: <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F5B9D0B-F278-4304-BE6C-E42DDAF1B7E7@ponostyle.com> The only poisonous snake in Norther California is rattlesnakes, and you?d know if you spooked one of those?they?d rattle. Lots of non-poisonous and therefore harmless alternatives. There are snake repellents, but they?re meant to repel snakes in a yard by broadcasting it on the grass. Not sure why anyone would want to do that, but I guess some people really don?t like snakes. In general they don?t like ultrasonics, so if you get one of those ultrasonic mouse chaser things it will probably chase the snake out. Or you could just assume they?ll leave when they find there?s not much to eat in your garage (unless there?s lots of mice, in which case you?d probably like them to stay and eliminate that population. Unless you?ve hermetically sealed your garage they can get out, and of course they can get in, so having seen one is functionally identical to NOT having seen one. > On Jul 21, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > > I think there?s probably some ?snake-b-gone? type product at your friendly local builder supply store. I saw some sort of product at Lowe?s a few days ago. > > or > > catch a mouse, tie a string on its leg and use it as bait. When the snake is fat and slow with freshly swallowed mouse, you yank the string and pull it outside. Drop it off two miles away (cut off the rest of the string if you don?t want it to die). > > Duncan > >> On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: >> >> So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head >> is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). >> >> I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop. >> The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. >> >> SO >> Here's where the help comes in. >> Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes! >> Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. >> >> If its not one thing, its another >> Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 18:16:51 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:16:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's how we square the tires on good old Merican iron. [image: Grinding the tires.JPG] On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:29 AM marty via Fot wrote: > Huh, finally found something I can use my surface grinder for. ? > Probably don't want to breath that stuff though. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Bill Tobin via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:35 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] (no subject) > > > Hi All, I use the same setup as Phil, with good results. > > Squaring the pads is in one of Kas' books. Its making the pad surface > flat. He said to use a drill press to do it. > > I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad > in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad > back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. > > Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from > the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like > that scrapped. > > Cheers, Bill > On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Grinding the tires.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2670548 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jul 21 22:10:50 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> Message-ID: <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. Beware, Dave H. > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > > > -Marhieu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 05:41:45 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup References: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just set up another TR6 differential using a brand new gear set that I've had on the shelf "for a while". I used the same method that I've always used and it seems to be correct. That said, I got to thinking that I had read on this list some time in the past that the setup for "oerlikon gears" was somehow different than what the TR6 factory manual indicates. So, I searched the archives for a while and found nothing (so far). I'll keep searching, but in the meantime - as long as I have the bearing preload, the pinion head height and pattern on the ring and the carrier clearances all set (including backlash), I'm all set. Right? I haven't lost any sleep over this, so I think I'm okay, but I am looking for any feedback that I can get. I'm also looking for suggestions regarding break-in. Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 22 06:36:23 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:36:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> References: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01d5408a$133395f0$399ac1d0$@gmail.com> Hi Bob, I said this in the past. To set the mesh pattern right, you need to do the opposite of what the manual suggests. If you follow the manual then you will end up that the pinion will hit the carrier. Preload and stuff like that is the same as in the manual. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Robert Lang via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juli 2019 13:42 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Differential Setup Hi, I just set up another TR6 differential using a brand new gear set that I've had on the shelf "for a while". I used the same method that I've always used and it seems to be correct. That said, I got to thinking that I had read on this list some time in the past that the setup for "oerlikon gears" was somehow different than what the TR6 factory manual indicates. So, I searched the archives for a while and found nothing (so far). I'll keep searching, but in the meantime - as long as I have the bearing preload, the pinion head height and pattern on the ring and the carrier clearances all set (including backlash), I'm all set. Right? I haven't lost any sleep over this, so I think I'm okay, but I am looking for any feedback that I can get. I'm also looking for suggestions regarding break-in. Regards, Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 06:53:51 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too tight against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get things to free up and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, by extension, you need to set bearing preload, then pinion depth via shims on the gear side of the carrier and then backlash via the shims on the smooth side. That's what I did and that's what worked. The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup (and an Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that setup for over 10 years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to scavenge the Quaife, the gears were perfect, so I musta done something right! But for the life of me I could not remember how I got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in miles.. As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better tool setup. I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up having to cut off two carrier bearings to get the shims installed. Thanks for the input! Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 08:05:08 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:05:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, Have a look at this post. I think it covers the topic very well. I have used OEM stuff so far and haven't run across this yet. https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145363 Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too tight > against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get things to free up > and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, by extension, you need to > set bearing preload, then pinion depth via shims on the gear side of the > carrier and then backlash via the shims on the smooth side. That's what I > did and that's what worked. > > The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup (and an > Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that setup for over 10 > years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to scavenge the Quaife, the > gears were perfect, so I musta done something right! But for the life of me > I could not remember how I got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. > > Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in miles.. > > As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better tool setup. > I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up having to cut off two > carrier bearings to get the shims installed. > > Thanks for the input! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from the wilds of NorCal From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jul 22 13:59:43 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:59:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1402767a-a91e-1a49-d01b-2dbcd884f53c@verizon.net> Tractor Supple may have the snake b gone stuff. Bill On 7/22/2019 3:23 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well the shop is now much cleaner. Having used compressed air all over the place tryin to get it to leave. > Cats are not an option...the shop dog would lose his mind! > Compressed air and loud music all nite hasn???t produced any results either. > Need to find the ???snake-b-gone??? but my local store knows nothing... > > At least it???s not scorpions...I managed to convince them that the shop was ???off limits???. > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 15:25:31 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:25:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9942BB79-EF06-4A25-9D32-2EDCA15E511B@gmail.com> I?ve caught snakes accidentally when they got caught in bird netting I?d hung in the rafters to discourage birds from nesting overhead in my carport. Gotta find them before they liquify, though. Nothing like the smell of a 2-week dead rat snake. Duncan > On Jul 22, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Well the shop is now much cleaner. Having used compressed air all over the place tryin to get it to leave. > Cats are not an option...the shop dog would lose his mind! > Compressed air and loud music all nite hasn?t produced any results either. > Need to find the ?snake-b-gone? but my local store knows nothing... > > At least it?s not scorpions...I managed to convince them that the shop was ?off limits?. > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 18:42:20 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:42:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quartermaster friction disc part number Message-ID: I am looking for the part number for a 7.25 dia. Quartermaster friction disc with a 1" x10 hub. (GT6 hub). I have one and used to have the part number but am coming up dry finding it on line or my records. Anybody? Currently not showing up in the Quartermaster on line catalog either that I can see. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 22 21:52:45 2019 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:52:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: In case TSC doesn?t have it https://www.amazon.com/Ortho-Snake-Repellent-Granules-2-Pound/dp/B009QAPKL4 -Randall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Tue Jul 23 00:30:17 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:30:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <20190723035307.F098CA0808@autox.team.net> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> <20190723035307.F098CA0808@autox.team.net> Message-ID: And the obligatory: I thought snakes only came in bundles with big block V8's.... On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM Randall via Fot wrote: > In case TSC doesn?t have it > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Ortho-Snake-Repellent-Granules-2-Pound/dp/B009QAPKL4 > > > > -Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Watkins Glenn KOA Cabin available From: Russ Kolesar Date: 7/24/19, 5:23 AM We are unable to go to Watkins Glenn for the Vintage Festival Before I just cancel the reservation , I wanted to offer our reservation Deluxe Cabin sleeps 5 TV Bath and kitchenette Check in Wednesday 9/4 and check out Sunday 9/8 *Watkins Glen / Corning KOA* 1710 State Route 414 (GPS address 1710 KOA Dr) PO Box 228 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 Let me know if anyone is interested, we can work out the details Russ Kolesar From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jul 24 11:57:01 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Email, Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <06496c01-d3f3-667b-ae08-6d22ccd3678f@bradakis.com> References: <06496c01-d3f3-667b-ae08-6d22ccd3678f@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7dc80f98-9fa0-6f50-2c5f-f068460c1ed9@verizon.net> I don't need this, but will say that they are quite nice. A bunch of us stayed there a couple years ago for the Corning Wineglass Marathon. We used the pool and hot tub afterward. Also just down the road from the track. Cheers, Bill On 7/24/2019 8:33 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > To send a message to fot at autox.team.net you send a message to > fot at autox.team.net. > > > Subject: > Watkins Glenn KOA Cabin available > From: > Russ Kolesar > Date: > 7/24/19, 5:23 AM > > We are unable to go to Watkins Glenn for the Vintage Festival > > Before I just cancel the reservation , I wanted to offer our reservation > > Deluxe Cabin sleeps 5 TV Bath and kitchenette > > Check in Wednesday 9/4 and check out Sunday 9/8 > > *Watkins Glen / Corning KOA* > 1710 State Route 414 (GPS address 1710 KOA Dr) > PO Box 228 > Watkins Glen, NY 14891 > > Let me know if anyone is interested, we can work out the details > > Russ Kolesar > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jul 24 15:41:55 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, wrote: > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > #317 TR4 BRG > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen > Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > Beware, > > Dave H. > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jul 24 19:51:52 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:51:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> Hi Guys, it took me a bit to find this info. Long ago, in a Galaxie far away ( might have been a Fairlane though. Doubt it was a Falcon)?? ((think about it, Ford guys!)) I worked for several Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge garages. Did quite a few diffs A few years ago I went to an auction of a closing dealership and bought some Miller special tools, including a C 293 bearing puller. This puller uses different inserts to fit various bearings. The Miller C 293 with C293-45 inserts fits the side (carrier) bearings on my TR6. Didn't have to pull the pinion bearings, but there should be inserts to do that. If memory serves, C 293-37 inserts fit the pinions.?? There's a spacer that is needed for the side bearings, C 293-3. One of those could easily be made. Bear in mind, different bearings use different inserts. I looked on ebay and found the Miller tools. Some are outlandishly priced, but some are reasonable. Worth a look. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bill On 7/22/2019 10:05 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Bob, > > Have a look at this post. I think it covers the topic very well. I > have used OEM stuff so far and haven't run across this yet. > > https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145363 > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot > > wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too > tight against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get > things to free up and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, > by extension, you need to set bearing preload, then pinion depth > via shims on the gear side of the carrier and then backlash via > the shims on the smooth side. That's what I did and that's what > worked. > > The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup > (and an Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that > setup for over 10 years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to > scavenge the Quaife, the gears were perfect, so I musta done > something right! But for the life of me I could not remember how I > got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. > > Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in > miles.. > > As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better > tool setup. I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up > having to cut off two carrier bearings to get the shims installed. > > Thanks for the input! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 24 22:19:17 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> Message-ID: <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same product that fits every time. TOTAL BS. Dave H. > On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: > > I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com mailto:timmmurphh at gmail.com > < timmmurphh at gmail.com mailto:timmmurphh at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > > > > > > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > > > > > > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > > > > #317 TR4 BRG > > > > > > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > > To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen > > Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > > > > > > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. > > > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. > > > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > > > Beware, > > > > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > > > > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > > > > > > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > > > > > > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > > > > > > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > > > > > > Phil Gott > > > > > > 114 TR4A > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > > > > > > > -Marhieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 23:24:14 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> Fun part is that Porterfield sends you the metric Datsun 240Z pad for the 16P caliper that you then have to machine to fit the pin locations. Went round and round with them...they weren?t listening... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:19 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same product that fits every time. > > TOTAL BS. > > Dave H. > >> On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> >> I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com> < timmmurphh at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim and Ryan Murphy >>> >>> #317 TR4 BRG >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot >>> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM >>> To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads >>> >>> >>> >>> The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. >>> >>> If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. >>> >>> I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. >>> >>> I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. >>> >>> As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. >>> >>> Beware, >>> >>> Dave H. >>> >>> >>> >>> On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >>> The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. >>> >>> Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. >>> >>> Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). >>> >>> Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. >>> >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> 114 TR4A >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! >>> >>> -Marhieu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 06:16:05 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am probably not alone in having been at the track with a spare set of pads in the parts box when I have run across these fitment problems on a Saturday night getting ready for the next day. Bob Kramer On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 12:24 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Fun part is that Porterfield sends you the metric Datsun 240Z pad for the > 16P caliper that you then have to machine to fit the pin locations. > > Went round and round with them...they weren?t listening... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:19 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: > > I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with > Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction > pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. > I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to > document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share > them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course > Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, > but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced > with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior > products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same > product that fits every time. > > TOTAL BS. > > Dave H. > > On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: > > I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work > reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with > squaring every two races. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com> < > timmmurphh at gmail.com> wrote: > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the > Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 > race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race > weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound > brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the > stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is > getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > > #317 TR4 BRG > > > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *DAVE HOGYE via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > *To:* Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; > ralph hansen > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing > plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total > clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech > pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were > definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, > right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by > .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This > immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The > pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. > The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in > a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses > and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get > cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still > be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of > the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory > pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads > also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at > the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces > uneven wear. > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality > control. > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly > within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the > backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, > the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > Beware, > > Dave H. > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to > different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly > they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the > binding. > > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good > dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction > material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do > not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic > irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first > session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new > pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if > you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for > temperature effects). > > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the > rotor surface. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to > make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - > in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, > these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, > you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the > angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all > important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 25 08:07:13 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:07:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> Message-ID: <21e0aad0-5e3a-76fa-5411-a5257d537b2c@bradakis.com> On 7/24/19 7:51 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Hi Guys, it took me a bit to find this info. > > Long ago, in a Galaxie far away ( might have been a Fairlane though. > Doubt it was a Falcon)?? ((think about it, Ford guys!)) > Are you positively sure it wasn't a Falcon?? The Millennium package? Seriously, proper tools for both differential and transmission work really make the job a lot easier.? I will certainly check out the Miller tools. mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 16:05:01 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:05:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads Message-ID: Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. DH -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4120.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 446947 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. DH > On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > > Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. > DH > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 18:43:37 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:43:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net> Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jul 25 19:02:02 2019 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jul 25 20:39:51 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another brake pad In-Reply-To: <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> References: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and they run fine. Phil 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing. We need these companies to build us quality parts. As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible. These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap. I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others. Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. > > DH > >> On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. >> DH >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 25 23:56:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:56:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Another brake pad In-Reply-To: <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> References: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601d54376$d504c840$7f0e58c0$@gmail.com> Pagid is making pads for the TR standard brakes. RSH 3 it is named. If you don?t get them in USA I can send some batches to Joe Alexander? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 04:40 An: DAVE HOGYE Cc: Friends Of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Another brake pad I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and they run fine. Phil 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing. We need these companies to build us quality parts. As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible. These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap. I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others. Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. DH On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot > wrote: Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 26 04:58:51 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:58:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , Message-ID: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Fri Jul 26 06:03:53 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:03:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. Paul > On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. > You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. > DH > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 06:14:24 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C08B831-152E-4FB2-BA87-A648FE2F96CC@gmail.com> I used EBC Yellowstuff on recommendation of another racer but my experience was awful. I followed my usual break-in procedure (progressively harder stops to get some heat in the pads and rotors, followed by a long run to cool the brakes) but during a subsequent race the pads felt like they were glazed. I tried sanding them and the material came away in chunks. I chanced it again but the brakes were not effective after the first few applications, and again I tried to sand them with the same results ? the material crumbled. If the attached picture can be viewed on this forum, you can see what happened when I poked the material with a small flat-bladed screwdriver. Duncan > On Jul 26, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. > > Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. > > On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. > > Paul > > > >> On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. >> You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. >> DH >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The pads are for sure double or triple as expensive than EBC (TR4 pads) but they last about 2 years on my car. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 14:14 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brake pads I used EBC Yellowstuff on recommendation of another racer but my experience was awful. I followed my usual break-in procedure (progressively harder stops to get some heat in the pads and rotors, followed by a long run to cool the brakes) but during a subsequent race the pads felt like they were glazed. I tried sanding them and the material came away in chunks. I chanced it again but the brakes were not effective after the first few applications, and again I tried to sand them with the same results ? the material crumbled. If the attached picture can be viewed on this forum, you can see what happened when I poked the material with a small flat-bladed screwdriver. Duncan On Jul 26, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. Paul On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot > wrote: Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Spot on! > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10 > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477584973&sdata=ydO0Vtf5B1qZhgo%2FjW0qSo0FpZdP7ih4EsMStf3PY50%3D&reserved=0 > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM > To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477594984&sdata=PGST4uXv9VCDTGEKkocsycZQWRNDDtgDvxa8PlRSkUo%3D&reserved=0 > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM > To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > Comments ? > jimg > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQdalHDSQRDk&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477604989&sdata=epNUG%2FN%2BMbsoSpw6q20xNzQmI3rxSNY5CzlMob0d7t4%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 26 11:58:47 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:58:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook _____ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? 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Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? 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It was that way back in the old days.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, July 26, 2019,?Ross, Lawrence via Fot??wrote: _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Helvetica;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Cambria Math;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 A:link {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:blue;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288MsoHyperlink {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:blue;}#yiv9042885288 A:visited {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:purple;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288MsoHyperlinkFollowed {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:purple;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288E-MailFormatvorlage24 {FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:windowtext;}#yiv9042885288 .yiv9042885288MsoChpDefault {FONT-SIZE:10pt;}#yiv9042885288 P {MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;} You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag vonJAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Comments ? jimg ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk?? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Fri Jul 26 13:59:21 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:59:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> You are correct... Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Is the FIA dominated by the French? Aren?t they famous for adjusting the rules to suit their needs? It was that way back in the old days. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 26, 2019, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jul 26 14:57:35 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Message-ID: <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Then ban the FIA > On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: > > > You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. > > > > The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. > > > > Larry Ross > > > > Lawrence Ross Agency > 67 Old Clairton Rd. > Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 > (412) 655-9990 - office > (412) 780-8495 - cell > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM > To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. > > F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. > > The best car wins. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 > An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. > > The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? > > I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. > > Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. > > jimg > > > > > > On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > > > I saw that last night. Spot on! > > > > > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.microsoft.com_fwlink_-3FLinkId-3D550986&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=dKIL700Iqs2YJEqrvWFKjfUnORxucKsZ2OJbNEkNh_c&e= for Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM > > To: fot > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Faka.ms-252Fweboutlook-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477584973-26sdata-3DydO0Vtf5B1qZhgo-252FjW0qSo0FpZdP7ih4EsMStf3PY50-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=2mqg83xQWA3Kpfe70IAnMG2y_w7FYqKHU2cMcHzGo0E&e= > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Henry A. 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Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? > > > > > > > > Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Faka.ms-252Fweboutlook-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477594984-26sdata-3DPGST4uXv9VCDTGEKkocsycZQWRNDDtgDvxa8PlRSkUo-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=X5AyKXYNO4I1POLfyozw5N0yg6gue7WYq8Wfw5hwHjo&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM > > To: 'fot' > > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > > > > Comments ? > > jimg > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.youtube.com-252Fwatch-253Fv-253DQdalHDSQRDk-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477604989-26sdata-3DepNUG-252FN-252BMbsoSpw6q20xNzQmI3rxSNY5CzlMob0d7t4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=8cIaPfKB1Ip9iFALb0ygguDtlIiKpU5zbcI5xjvKCbM&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fot-2Dracing.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=Y1zSSsCpPoFDVs57D2P_QSmZq-oJ2MXemB2e20xvkVw&e= > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=oHyZ1HOBm-CUo57UVWXfbmHtYCu2_CGhmdnvAGeScMs&e= > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=iFya5JTU8NwV2GjGYp0YOmZdnmlxOJjXOtURuR-JgLQ&e= http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_fot&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=GiNC17j9gKzeGSrZwznCDVZ_L_Vr-7w_4aPePQZyXXE&e= > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_fot_toodamnfunky-40comcast.net&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=3pfxcZxmDl_E6c9dMbqneUOLp4JrVdAhEMGdxjlfFRA&e= > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 26 15:19:01 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:19:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com>, <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Jul 27 03:40:40 2019 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (john.r.davies at btinternet.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:40:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> References: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Message-ID: <4274f02d.cf7.16c32cdc0c5.Webtop.224@btinternet.com> Anyone who thinks F1 isn't exciting missed the last race, the British GP at Silverstone. OK, Hamilton won by a British mile, but there was real racing just behind him! And, I would not take advice from Jeremy Clarkson if my life depended on it. The man is the worst of cads. For instance, years ago, long before he punched his producer in the face for not serving him a hot meal after a long day shooting video, I saw him telling his production team that they were a load of sh1ts. It wasn't the language, it was that this was in a crowded restaurant. You can do that to your crew in private, but not in public. John ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" To: "Bill Dentinger" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, 26 Jul, 2019 At 20:59 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 You are correct... Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Is the FIA dominated by the French? Aren?t they famous for adjusting the rules to suit their needs? It was that way back in the old days. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 26, 2019, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: john.r.davies at btinternet.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.r.davies at btinternet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Fri Jul 26 11:15:46 2019 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:15:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1564161346.c3yc2jgylcgs4o80@webmail.lumos.net> I wish they would get rid of the ovals.  I can't stand to watch cars simply go in circles. John   On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT), JAMES GRAY via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   I saw that last night.  Spot on!   Terry Stetler   Sent from Mail for Windows 10   From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1       Sent from Outlook   From: Henry A. Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; FOT at auto.team.net <FOT at auto.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1   He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?  8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight?   Henry Morrison   Sent from Outlook     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1   Comments ? jimg   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk     _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net     _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 26 17:44:08 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:44:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net> <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place. The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them. I don?t envy them. Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting. One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home. Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that. To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class. So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, any season. Which one would you pick? > On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. > > Terry Stetler > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM > To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > Then ban the FIA > >> On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: >> >> You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. >> >> >> >> The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. >> >> >> >> Larry Ross >> >> >> >> Lawrence Ross Agency >> 67 Old Clairton Rd. >> Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 >> (412) 655-9990 - office >> (412) 780-8495 - cell >> From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM >> To: fot at autox. team. net >> Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. >> >> F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. >> >> The best car wins. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot >> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 >> An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. >> >> The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? >> >> I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. >> >> Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. >> >> jimg >> >> On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: >> >> I saw that last night. Spot on! >> >> >> >> Terry Stetler >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM >> To: fot >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> >> From: Henry A. Morrison >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM >> To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? >> >> >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM >> To: 'fot' >> Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> Comments ? >> jimg >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:07:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <2019398187.3558004.1564279667907.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2019398187.3558004.1564279667907@mail.yahoo.com> Me too! I guess any racing is better than no racing, but?turn left and haul ass seems to lack a degree of difficulty.Bill Dentinget Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?R. John Lye via Fot??wrote: I wish they would get rid of the ovals.? I can't stand to watch cars simply go in circles. John ? On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT), JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: ? I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1??? Sent from Outlook ?From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1?He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight??Henry Morrison? Sent from Outlook ??From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? Comments ? jimg ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk?? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:15:03 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and?stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot??wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place.? The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them.? I don?t envy them.? Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting.? One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home.? Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that.? To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class.? So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, ?any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: #yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 -- _filtered #yiv9757678604 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 a:link, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 a:visited, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 .yiv9757678604MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604WordSection1 {}#yiv9757678604 I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:15:03 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and?stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot??wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place.? The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them.? I don?t envy them.? Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting.? One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home.? Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that.? To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class.? So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, ?any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: #yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 -- _filtered #yiv9757678604 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 a:link, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 a:visited, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 .yiv9757678604MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604WordSection1 {}#yiv9757678604 I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Comments ? jimg ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk?? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Jul 27 20:25:44 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:25:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Attending SCCA majors last month reminds me of the pro motorcycle races I did... not any comradely, not a enjoyable event, cold, every man for himself... I?ve done that once, not again. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2019, at 10:15 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Saturday, July 27, 2019, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot > wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place. The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them. I don?t envy them. Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting. One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home. Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that. To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class. So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence >; Ross, Lawrence via Fot >; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" > wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler >; Terry Stetler via Fot >; Henry A. Morrison > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 29 05:52:36 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:52:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators In-Reply-To: <1265538906.3339.1562875572559@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1265538906.3339.1562875572559.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1265538906.3339.1562875572559@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 07:39:57 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators In-Reply-To: References: <1265538906.3339.1562875572559.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1265538906.3339.1562875572559@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431224347.1505977.1564407597396@mail.yahoo.com> thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit RalphApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators?just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 29 08:33:52 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators References: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> The important part is "new Denso units".A good friend who is in the bidness of rebuilding starters/gennys has pointed out several points in the reman process that are failure-prone, and wear limits of some components may be very generous.As with any "rebuilt" you take your chances...Glen -----Original Message----- From: ralph hansen via Fot To: FOT Triumph ; marty Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit RalphApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators?just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 29 10:22:48 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:22:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators In-Reply-To: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gotta agree with Glen. Brand new Denso means quality. Back when I was working at the local import shop the various Japanese cars we serviced would regularly get 100,000+ miles on their Denso starters, then the failure mode was worn out solenoid contacts, which listed for about $15 at the time. Replace those and they would get another 100K out of those things. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 10:33:52 AM To: quikrx at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; trmarty at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators The important part is "new Denso units". A good friend who is in the bidness of rebuilding starters/gennys has pointed out several points in the reman process that are failure-prone, and wear limits of some components may be very generous. As with any "rebuilt" you take your chances... Glen -----Original Message----- From: ralph hansen via Fot To: FOT Triumph ; marty Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit Ralph Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 09:11:52 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Looking for starter part References: <1440480304.312899.1564499512498.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1440480304.312899.1564499512498@mail.yahoo.com> I'm sure many of you are like me, in that over a 50 year obsession with Triumphs, I have accumulated a lot of bits and pieces.? When I was racing, I was given a couple of old TR-3's and bought a few more for $50 each (or less).? I parted out 6 or 7 cars, and kept anything that looked like it might be useful some day.? With that in mind, I'm hoping someone might have the piece I am looking for, or know someone who does. When I completed the restoration on my TR-2 twenty-seven years ago, I tried to keep it very original.? I used the original (long) starter, which was used on all TR-2's and 3's up to chassis number 50,000.? This starter has always worked well for me.? As I was cleaning out and organizing some of my old parts, I came across one of these early starters, and decided to get it rebuilt so my daughter, who now has the TR-2, would have a spare on the shelf if she ever needs it.? The local electric shop took it apart and checked all of the components, and everything checked out all right, except for an item called the pinion, which of course is no longer available.? The pinion rides on the shaft coming our of the main starter body and includes the gear which engages the flywheel.? The Moss part number is 549-600, and the Triumph factory part number is 501030. If anyone has this part, in a box of old starter parts, that they would be willing to sell, please let me know.? I figured they made at least 50,000 of these things (plus any for service), so there should still be a few laying around somewhere.? I'm hoping one of you can help me find one. Thanks in advance for your help. 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Thanks in advance, Tony Drews From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 31 10:52:56 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... ;-) Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 31 16:01:53 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:01:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [WPTA] Tour suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I may need to extend my trip to Mid Oho next summer. mjb. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [WPTA] Tour suggestion Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:16:11 -0400 From: Jerry Van Vlack via Wpta Reply-To: Jerry Van Vlack To: WPTA e-Mail List Check out this web site. The place is in New Philadelphia, OH just south of Canton, OH. Might ne worthy of a tour / drive. $20.00 for a 1 to 1 1/2 hour tour. If I get enough of a positive response I?d be willing to make the arrangements. Operation is May to October so perhaps too late for this year but good for next year. Who?s interested? JVV http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.org/ -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ wpta at autox.team.net ------------------------------------- http://www.wptriumph.org Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/wpta/mark at bradakis.com From jfrymark at aol.com Wed Jul 31 18:55:38 2019 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) received any info or confirmation from them? John Frymark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert Lang > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > ;-) > Regards,Bob Lang > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > ************************************* From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 31 19:15:31 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: John, if you're asking about the Friday Tour I recently asked when it starts and heard back that check-in at the Winery is between 7:30 and 8:30. I believe a notice is coming out soon. JVV -----Original Message----- From: John Frymark via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:55 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) received any info or confirmation from them? John Frymark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert Lang > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I > knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > ;-) > Regards,Bob Lang > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 19:27:44 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: I haven't gotten any thing back either but if I go to the WG event page on the SVRA website and try to register, it say's I'm already am, would I like to add a 2nd car. Believe they have a big event this coming weekend at Indy, so wouldn't expect see any updates or info about the Glen for a while. mike h On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Frymark via Fot wrote: > Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) > received any info or confirmation from them? > > John Frymark > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Robert Lang > > To: FOT Triumph > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi, > > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 31 21:15:36 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm in the "I have heard nothing" camp too. - Tony Drews On 7/31/2019 8:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > I haven't gotten any thing back either but if I go to the WG event > page on the SVRA website and try to register, it say's I'm already am, > would I like to add a 2nd car. > > Believe they have a big event this coming weekend at Indy, so wouldn't > expect see any updates or info about the Glen for a while. > > mike h > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Frymark via Fot > > wrote: > > Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last > December) received any info or confirmation from them? > > John Frymark > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >? ?1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Robert Lang > > > To: FOT Triumph > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi, > > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. > If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > > ;-) > > Regards,Bob Lang > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 1 09:30:48 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:30:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic - Triumph TR8 IMSA GTO Message-ID: <000d01d53021$f648fc50$e2daf4f0$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, a little video from last Weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzFUzruOgk I had minor problems. In race 1 the rear tires didn't heat up and were underinflated and lost tire pressure from the high forces at Eau Rouge. I solved that for race 2 + 3. Unfortunately the corning forces are now high enough that the Watts link locator broke. I need to reinforce that device. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 1 17:16:00 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 01:16:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic - Triumph TR8 IMSA GTO In-Reply-To: References: <000d01d53021$f648fc50$e2daf4f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d53062$f34c4d90$d9e4e8b0$@gmail.com> And race 3. https://youtu.be/YX5k3ijexSc Cheers Chris On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:31 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Guys, a little video from last Weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzFUzruOgk I had minor problems. In race 1 the rear tires didn't heat up and were underinflated and lost tire pressure from the high forces at Eau Rouge. I solved that for race 2 + 3. Unfortunately the corning forces are now high enough that the Watts link locator broke. I need to reinforce that device. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jul 1 18:34:13 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes In-Reply-To: <1BBAFEF6-7084-49F5-8C6B-E5DAB7763337@att.net> References: <3DD6F733-1653-47F1-9FE6-C6E25C992FC2@icloud.com> <1BBAFEF6-7084-49F5-8C6B-E5DAB7763337@att.net> Message-ID: <828386D0-AC80-4779-9A9F-009EE15AB42B@icloud.com> I called both Pegasus and Canton today, no joy. Here is what I found online in another forum on the topic. This was allegedly posted by a Canton employee. We stopped selling the O-Ring kits and instead offer a rebuild service now. When we were selling the O-Ring kit we frequently had to deal with customers that ruined their Accusumps and then wanted us to warranty the parts. If you are going to take the Accusump apart be VERY aware of how much pressure you are putting on the tube. The most common issue we saw was the Accusump tube being clamped down on and the tube would then be out of round and no longer get a proper seal. This jives with what Canton told me on the phone today. I?ve been pulling my accusump apart on average once a year for 10 years now as a part of a oil system cleaning inspection process, never had a problem. I guess I am not to be trusted, good to know. Anyways, I?ll just take the failing o?rings to the local hydraulic shop and get some replacements. If I remember to do it, I?ll post sizes once I find them. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Paul Ricco wrote: > > Greg, > > Pegasus Racing sells the rebuild kits for Accusump. > > Or you can go to Canton?s website. > > Or call the tech line at Pegasus on Monday and ask for Bob or Bart. They will get you what you need. > > Paul Ricco > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 29, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> Autocorrect got me. Looking to replace the Orings on the accusump piston and end caps. I can?t find the sizes listed anywhere. >> >> I found about 1/4 qt behind the piston (air side) when cleaning it today. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 2 09:59:03 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:59:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Whose car is this? 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu Jul 4 14:34:59 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 15:34:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump orings Message-ID: I found the proper size O-Rings, no thanks to Canton. They were no help whatsoever. So the end cap O-Rings are No 241 the piston takes No 341. Averaged $1/ea at the local seal supply. Greg Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jul 6 17:53:34 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:53:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump orings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DCE9F34-4ABE-40E1-AA0E-FE394323F105@icloud.com> Strike that. The end cap O-Ring I purchased, No 241, had a diameter a little to big for the end cap seal. My guess is it is s 240. The piston O-Rings worked well upon reassemble and pressure testing. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > I found the proper size O-Rings, no thanks to Canton. They were no help whatsoever. > > So the end cap O-Rings are No 241 the piston takes No 341. > > Averaged $1/ea at the local seal supply. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Mon Jul 8 06:32:10 2019 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:32:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: References: <4C880B8A-EF63-4D7A-8036-E89EB5CA5406@me.com> <7235EF4C-D6E0-4D92-8838-B5B9C07A8088@gmail.com> <79adf644895f4f3ca8eef3c3f05a2041@dieselperformanceparts.com> <18af672790514be6932bdf29a8c8c325@dieselperformanceparts.com> <332fd4199d1049bdbbc5fbf60eab70b3@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: <881455d065a4498389490b1bf0a5d4f3@dieselperformanceparts.com> Chuck, All things being equal and my price sheet being current they will cost you 243.50 and a little UPS. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: chasgee22 at gmail.com [mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 1:14 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells Hi Mark, I finally got around to figuring out what I need. Here are the part numbers: TF600-6 plate TF207 dip stick, unless the above comes with it, but doesn?t look like it does. How much and how long to get? Thanks, Chuck Gee On Mar 13, 2019, at 5:37 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: 91.30 and shipping. Just be 1000% sure it is the correct part. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:19 AM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells the part number is BF610 On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:16 AM DPPI - Mark Craig > wrote: John, Get on ATL?s site and get me a part number and then I can get you a price. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 7:13 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells What price can you get on foam for a 10 gal sport cell BF610. Thanks On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:28 PM DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: As a reminder I offer ATL cells to all the FOT members at a low discount too. Get your part number and e mail it to me. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 11:26 PM To: Scott Janzen > Cc: Steve Hirschtritt >; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells I thought it was best to replace the original 1969 fuel bladder in the Spitfire... Found an 8 gallon ATL cell that fit right in the original can with minimal modification... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman fuel cell. I?d always been under the impression that these things aged out. My vintage organization does not require certification or date tags, however, unlike on seat belts. I called Fuel Safe, talked to a helpful tech, and he said if the bladder isn?t leaking, if the foam isn?t breaking down and showing up in the fuel filter, and the bladder is still flexible, no cracking, it could last for 20 years. It should be inspected, but they were not pushing to sell me a new one. Just saved $700 bucks. Makes you wonder about the FIA language, should you be planning to race in Europe: 2 FUEL BLADDER LIFETIME No fuel bladders shall be used for more than 5 years after the date of manufacture, unless reinspected and recertified by the manufacturer at the end of this 5 year period, for a supplementary period of up to 2 years after the date of recertification not exceeding 7 years after the date of manufacture. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ebay item number: 254289435385 Back to previous pageReturn to top Additional site navigation - About eBay - Announcements - Community - Security Center - Resolution Center - Seller Center - Policies - Affiliates - Help & Contact - Site Map Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Accessibility , User Agreement , Privacy , Cookies and AdChoice *Norton Secured - powered by Verisign* -- *Craig Leinicke* Leinicke Group, Inc. 213 Old Meramec Station Rd. Manchester, MO 63021 craigl at leinickegroup.com O: 636-227-4424 C: 636-236-8452 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jul 8 16:20:32 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:20:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a TR6 louvered hood I would sell. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:27 PM Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: > A fellow Sports Car Club member brought by a very nice early Triumph > louvered race car hood (flat hinge panel) which was removed from a TR2 > vintage race car. > The TR2 is being restored for street/show use and the owner no longer > wants the hood. He wants $500. Hood is very nice. > Ebay item number: 254289435385 > Back to previous pageReturn to top > > Additional site navigation > > - About eBay > - Announcements > - Community > - Security Center > - Resolution Center > - Seller Center > > - Policies > - Affiliates > - Help & Contact > - Site Map > > Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jul 8 17:08:53 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:08:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] R200 differential install to TR4A Message-ID: List, I?m assembling all the parts needed to install a R200 short tail 3.69 viscous LSD from an Infinity into my TR4A. Goodparts kit will arrive tomorrow and I?m having a driveshaft shortened locally. I sourced the diff locally. I?m interested in hearing from others who have done this themselves on a TR4A or TR6 and what if any problems did you encounter? And your solutions. Of particular interest is the use of springs between the 2 sections of the halfshafts and your experience in determining the correct length of those springs. Richard recomends them and he makes a compelling argument for their use. Also I?m aware of the diff flange having some interference with the bodywork in the tee shirt area. 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Sent from my iPhone From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 06:08:53 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wilwood compact MC part No 260-6087 In-Reply-To: <09D087CB-DD7E-442B-9373-4CE1D0661613@icloud.com> References: <09D087CB-DD7E-442B-9373-4CE1D0661613@icloud.com> Message-ID: Try Speedway Motors https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Search?query=master+cylinder+rebuild+kit Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:56 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > Anyone using these Girling style master cylinders? Do you know the part > number for a rebuild kit for the 260-6087 5/8? compact master cylinder? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 9 10:11:15 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] R200 differential install to TR4A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2007161197.592549.1562688675913@connect.xfinity.com> Jerry, I don't use the R200 diff. I use the Triumph diff with the Quaiffe limited slip. I do use Richards CV axles and hubs though. Are you still using stock hubs ? It sounds like your using the stock 1/2 shafts and adding the springs for the stiction problem they supposedly have. jim g > On July 8, 2019 at 5:08 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > List, I?m assembling all the parts needed to install a R200 short tail 3.69 viscous LSD from an Infinity into my TR4A. Goodparts kit will arrive tomorrow and I?m having a driveshaft shortened locally. I sourced the diff locally. I?m interested in hearing from others who have done this themselves on a TR4A or TR6 and what if any problems did you encounter? And your solutions. > > Of particular interest is the use of springs between the 2 sections of the halfshafts and your experience in determining the correct length of those springs. Richard recomends them and he makes a compelling argument for their use. Also I?m aware of the diff flange having some interference with the bodywork in the tee shirt area. My frame is reinforced and I have replaced the OE rubber trailing arm bushes with solid ones. > > Kindly tell me your experience. > > Thanks, > > Jerry Van Vlack > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 14:32:14 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood In-Reply-To: <543749048.257010.1562685254648@mail.yahoo.com> References: <543749048.257010.1562685254648@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hijack the thread... I?ve got a nearly new set of 8 spoke Koenig Rewind 15x7?s that briefly ran on our TR6. These are the minilite style wheels that Discount Tire sells for just under $500 for a set of 4. The catch is the spokes have been painted white, nicely painted and still have silver rim. Yours for $200 plus shipping. Private message me for photos or more info. Dusty Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:14 AM, jameselbe--- via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a TR4 louvered hood I would sell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Craig Leinicke > Cc: Fot > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 4:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood > > I have a TR6 louvered hood I would sell. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:27 PM Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: > A fellow Sports Car Club member brought by a very nice early Triumph louvered race car hood (flat hinge panel) which was removed from a TR2 vintage race car. > The TR2 is being restored for street/show use and the owner no longer wants the hood. He wants $500. Hood is very nice. > Ebay item number: 254289435385 > Back to previous pageReturn to top > Additional site navigation > About eBayAnnouncementsCommunitySecurity CenterResolution CenterSeller CenterPoliciesAffiliatesHelp & ContactSite Map > Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Accessibility, User Agreement, Privacy, Cookies and AdChoice Norton Secured - powered by Verisign > > > > -- > > Craig Leinicke > Leinicke Group, Inc. > 213 Old Meramec Station Rd. > Manchester, MO 63021 > craigl at leinickegroup.com > O: 636-227-4424 > C: 636-236-8452 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 14:40:03 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:40:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Message-ID: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Some interesting stuff here. http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html mjb. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 15:16:44 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 15:31:48 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:31:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. mjb. From bownes at web9.com Wed Jul 10 18:09:45 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> Message-ID: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. > > My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to > Europe. Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 10 19:40:29 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:40:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> My guess would be they need sold to settle the estate and or equitably distribute the assets if any remain after debts are settled. Not privy to any information but that's how estates are settled. Not certain the kids have any control or little control at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 5:16 PM To: Mark J Bradakis ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot > wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 10 20:35:39 2019 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Turns out, Charles borrowed a lot of money, and failed to keep his promise to buy life insurance to cover it. So his heirs are trying to raise as much cash as possible, to pay off the debts without having to liquidate TRF. They (through lawyers of course) have already said it won?t be enough, but they are hoping to persuade a judge to let them pay the balance from future TRF profits. BTW, the Coventry Inn is up for sale too. Randall From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 8:40 PM To: Brad Eells; Mark J Bradakis; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection My guess would be they need sold to settle the estate and or equitably distribute the assets if any remain after debts are settled. Not privy to any information but that's how estates are settled. Not certain the kids have any control or little control at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 5:16 PM To: Mark J Bradakis ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot > wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 20:58:11 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:58:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <20190711023546.03A6CA18CF@autox.team.net> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> <20190711023546.03A6CA18CF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <790177a6-e71f-2441-ee56-f3b2f17a05ea@bradakis.com> On 7/10/19 8:35 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > BTW, the Coventry Inn is up for sale too. > Back when Charles first acquired the place I thought my ideal job would have been to be the brewmaster at the Inn.? I could have made some good beer, helped with the food, kept the company computers running, and filled in with Triumph related stuff if needed.? A chance to showcase all my talents! mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jul 10 22:48:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection References: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053@mail.yahoo.com> Tim Murphy has a gorgeous TR5, and has figured out how to keep it?running correctly. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Wednesday, July 10, 2019,?robert bownes via Fot??wrote: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? 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URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 18:57:42 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking Message-ID: Hello FOT, Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jul 13 19:15:43 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:15:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 19:17:43 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: > Jason; > What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, > although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More > than that could be causing you some of this problem. > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hello FOT, > > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the > braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that > I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel > flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into > the intake... > > > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes > completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears > out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or > starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the > jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has > somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them > a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > > > Jason Sukey > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jul 13 19:28:59 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:28:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. > > Thanks, > Jason > >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 19:37:05 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:37:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during > the entire run. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: > >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, >> although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More >> than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted >> the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now >> that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be >> fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet >> into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes >> completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears >> out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or >> starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the >> jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has >> somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them >> a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 13 20:54:35 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 02:54:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com>, Message-ID: Jason, it?s been a while since I laid eyes on a GT6 engine, so forgive me. Are both float chambers on the same side of the carbs? Or is the rear one to the outside rear of the carb and the front one to the outside pointing to the front of the car? Or vice versa? Sounds like under braking the carb with the fuel channel to the jet that pointing to the front of the car is getting a higher fuel level and thus flooding that carb. Is it possible to rotate that float bowl to the other side? Terry Stetler. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jason Sukey via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 9:37:05 PM To: Greg Blake Cc: FOT list Subject: Re: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake > wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott > wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 13 21:09:16 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 22:09:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the > pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is > nearest the radiator. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake > wrote: > > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > > wrote: > >> Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent >> during the entire run. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott > > wrote: >> >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 >> to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no >> apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some >> of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? >> I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since >> the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, >> I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible >> sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the >> intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the >> engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After >> a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other >> conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. >> Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the >> top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from >> there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still >> significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, >> but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sat Jul 13 21:20:26 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:20:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1C4DC737-8C98-4FD8-A4EF-53C081E9FE54@artwithcars.com> Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom ~Steve > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. > > Regards, Tony > >> On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: >>> What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >>>> Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jason >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >>>>> Jason; >>>>> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >>>>> Phil Gott >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hello FOT, >>>>> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >>>>> > >>>>> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >>>>> > >>>>> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >>>>> > >>>>> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >>>>> > >>>>> > Jason Sukey >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > fot at autox.team.net >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> > >>>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 13 22:49:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 04:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing?gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. ?At the end of a session your ?new??floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. ?Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom?aluminum ones that worked perfect.? We got through the season. ??And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 13, 2019,?Steven Belfer via Fot??wrote: Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom? ~Steve On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? ? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant.? Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs?? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 13 22:49:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 04:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing?gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. ?At the end of a session your ?new??floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. ?Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom?aluminum ones that worked perfect.? We got through the season. ??And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 13, 2019,?Steven Belfer via Fot??wrote: Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom? ~Steve On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? ? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant.? Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs?? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Jul 14 06:06:14 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51265945-E4C6-49A3-A040-AFACD39C6A94@icloud.com> Ok this is a long shot but. I was have a similar issue in the TR3 recently and it turned out I had a combination of issues that led to a very over rich condition. I use the Holley chrome fuel pressure regulator and I have a fuel isolator in the engine bay with a fuel pressure gauge in the dash. One weekend, the rubber diaphragm in the regulator started leaking and I did not have a replacement. I borrowed one from a buddy who?s car was on the trailer. Turns out, his regulator had the high pressure spring that can?t regulate fuel bellow about 5 psi. As luck would have it, I also had a bubble in my gauge isolator line. The bubble was causing a false low pressure reading so I kept cranking it up at the regulator. This was a frustrating process as the car starting progressively bogging down after hard braking and hard cornering, which is where I do about 90% of my passing. It?s embarrassing to admit now, but this took me two race weekends to figure out. Finally I decided to take apart the gauge isolation system and start over. Once back together, the true pressure reading indicated 8 psi. Next I took apart the borrowed regulator to rebuild it with the kit and I discovered the high pressure spring. Rebuilt with the appropriate spring and all is right. Like I said, long shot, but it?s worth sharing in case it helps you think through some related change you might have made recently. It?s amazing how simple the fix typically turns out. Good luck. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 11:49 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. At the end of a session your ?new? floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom aluminum ones that worked perfect. We got through the season. And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Saturday, July 13, 2019, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom > > ~Steve > > >> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > > > We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. > > Regards, Tony > >> On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > >> Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jul 14 09:10:39 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:10:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1663702894.225555956.1563117039204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Jason, I once had a similar problem. I swore it was flooding, but in the end it was a loose coupling of the fuel line onto the tank : at every braking zone, the line was forced forward and thus air was sucked in the line and into the fuel pump. Every time,it took a few seconds for the pump to make pressure again. Another possibility : the fuel line can be crushed somewhere i.e. by the engine when it is moving forward under braking. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "Jason Sukey" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 14 juli 2019 05:09:16 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake < [ mailto:gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott < [ mailto:vfracing at aol.com | vfracing at aol.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > > [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] > > Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] > Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] > Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com ] > > BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 15:30:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America Message-ID: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Anyone going to be there? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jsukey at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 16:56:52 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:56:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the advice on my carburetor issues. I checked all the vent tubes for blockage and needle valves for sticking, all is well there. Today i tried rotating the rear float lid 120 degrees. This fixed the flooding during hard braking 100%.... Now it floods out turning left. I'm fairly certain that i can fix it all once i swap the rear float cover to one that has the ideal orientation (to match what i currently have on the front). Front carb has the pivot swing front to rear with the pivot pin at the front of the car. Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 8:57 PM Jason Sukey wrote: > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the > braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that > I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel > flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into > the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes > completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears > out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or > starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the > jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has > somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them > a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 15 11:05:51 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:05:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins Message-ID: The great local hardware store that I've always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They're awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I'll shy away from stainless as it's usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 11:34:48 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78DF5EC5-4785-49EE-BBD9-E64DFCB79B58@gmail.com> Are you saying that big box of cotter pins I bought at Harbor Freight for 5 bucks aren?t of the highest quality?? I did discover that quickly with their grease fittings... I go to a local SoCal industrial hardware store called McFadden-Dale. They don?t carry any of the cheap stuff and grade the rest. You know exactly what you are purchasing... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They?re awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 20:06:23 2019 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:06:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire electric fuel pump Message-ID: Tired of playing with the mechanical fuel pump. Looking to put in an electric pump. Street Spit, Stromberg CD150. What is the recommended pump? Thanks, Doug Mitchell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I know nothing at > all about monel. > > > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dulon50 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 16 04:26:08 2019 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 06:26:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Over the years I've bought all my AN hardware from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, including cotter pins. They are located in Atlanta. They ship out real fast. Bob Davis On 7/15/19 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware > from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality.? > They?re awfully brittle.? Weak.? Ineffectual. > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs > will be any better? > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and > stainless.? Any recommendations about what is most appropriate?? I?ll > shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft.? And I know > nothing at all about monel. > > Scott (B.) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 05:05:33 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 07:05:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65C49A90-453D-4D4A-9A82-920EDCCD78AC@gmail.com> Or Wicks aircraft. http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html Duncan > On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:26 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > > Over the years I've bought all my AN hardware from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, including cotter pins. They are located in Atlanta. They ship out real fast. > > Bob Davis > > On 7/15/19 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: >> The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They?re awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. >> >> I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? >> >> Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. >> >> Scott (B.) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll shy away from stainless as it's usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:13:59 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ford Type 9 lost third gear Message-ID: Hi again FOT- My GT6 is running the Ford type 9 5 speed setup. In my Sunday race session, it "lost" third gear as I was making a 4th to 3rd downshift. The lever won't move forward into 3rd, feels like a hard stop. No grinding or any unusual noises. As it sits now, all other gears work normally. Thinking back, there were a few times the previous race weekend where I had difficulty selecting third, I had just chalked it up to driver error, maybe that was the beginning of it? I checked the gear oil prior to this weekend, it was full and didn't need any added. Anyone out there racing with this setup have any suggestions where to start when I tear it down? Thanks, Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jameselbe at aol.com Tue Jul 16 12:27:48 2019 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] ATTENTION BOB BRWNES References: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088@mail.yahoo.com> Did you find a TR6 Manifolds. If not I have one. Sorry it took so long.???????????????????????????????????????????? Jim Elbe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Much to my surprise I also discovered that I have both wide and narrow spacing intake manifolds on the shelf! I didn't think I had any. Looks like I don't have any exhaust manifolds, but those are all the same according to the folks here. So now I have no real excuse not to get that project done. Unless someone here has a nice rotoflex Formula Ford rear end I can use to distract me. ;) Thanks, Bob For those who are curious, I bought a FF chassis many years ago with an eye to turning it into a TR powered race car. OF late, I have been doing a bit of research into it, and it appears to be on of a very small number of Nike formula fords. There were about 10 MK4's, one MK5, a whole bunch of MK 6's, and two or three MK10's. There wer a few other one offs, including a FV. It's not a MK4 or 6, I don't think it is the MK5 (F5000 monster) Possibly even the sole surviving example of On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:28 PM jameselbe--- via Fot wrote: > Did you find a TR6 Manifolds. If not I have one. Sorry it took so long. > Jim Elbe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Tue Jul 16 16:08:37 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New TR6 Vertical Links Message-ID: <4B70C0D0-E896-4C65-95EA-77F67BA23245@att.net> FOT, Good afternoon. We have a brand new set of TR6 Vertical Links that we ordered, prepped and painted black. They were delivered to us May 30th, 2019. They are brand new, fresh and have never been on a car. They were masked and painted carefully, so none of the places that should not have painted got painted. It turns out that they were ordered in error an we do not need them. They are part numbers Vertical Link LH 307216 Vertical Link RH 307215 Moss sells them for $249 a piece, plus their absurdly expensive and very slow S&H. That would be $498 + Shipping. The would come to you unpainted. We would like to offer them to FOT, before putting then on EBAY. We will offer them to FOT listers for $375 for the pair and we will include US Postal Service flat rate shipping on them. Included shipping will be for within the continental US. Please send me an email or call me at 813-716-1931 if you would like to purchase them. Thanks, Paul Ricco From pethier7 at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 16:41:55 2019 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America In-Reply-To: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> References: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Message-ID: Went to RA for the June Sprints. Shot a few pix. https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/albums/72157709194400312 Won't be able to get there for the Redman On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Anyone going to be there? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 16:48:18 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America In-Reply-To: References: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54BE0790-1F78-4363-A5A3-D8D3FDD37061@gmail.com> Thanks for sharing. Great pictures. Love the Miatas....and Scott Barr. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jul 17, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Philip Ethier wrote: > > Went to RA for the June Sprints. Shot a few pix. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/albums/72157709194400312 > > Won't be able to get there for the Redman > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Anyone going to be there? >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net >> >> > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That would be $498 + Shipping. The would come to you unpainted. > > We would like to offer them to FOT, before putting then on EBAY. > > We will offer them to FOT listers for $375 for the pair and we will include US Postal Service flat rate shipping on them. Included shipping will be for within the continental US. > > Please send me an email or call me at 813-716-1931 if you would like to purchase them. > > Thanks, > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jul 18 09:51:48 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:51:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need a chassis moved from St. Louis to NY. Message-ID: Anyone driving east with an empty trailer? So I'm getting rid of projects. Really. Now that I've discovered the Formula Ford I have is one of 10 ever built, I'm less inclined to hack it up, put the rover V8 in it and call if a Formula 5000. So I'm selling it off. Let someone else take on creating unique bodywork from scratch...I'll start with something I feel less guilty about destroying. Maybe. :) But in doing the research, I got sucked into the evil world of pre-1970 formula cars. And I found a great project, albeit without a lot of Triumph content, but lots of local flavor as it was built in New England and first races at Lime Rock 50 years ago next year. Anyway, long story short, If I can find a way to get Caldwell FSV chassis #1 transported eastward from St. Louis, I'll have a project for the winter to get it on the track for the 50th reunion of FSV next year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It could be yours for the cost of shipping. Smilie face, Dave 831-234-4928 > On July 20, 2019 at 7:52 AM Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > > AMICI - does anyone have a left side door capping piece to sell? > Thanks > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 09:38:01 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:38:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Message-ID: Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? Curious minds want to know. mike h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Sat Jul 20 10:11:47 2019 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-4 Tonneau cover Message-ID: I have a brand new black vinyl TR-4 Tonneau cover from Moss. I used it as a pattern to build a custom tonneau cover for my race car. It is in the box in perfect condition and I am happy to sell it for $150 or half Moss's price. Call or email Alan Berry at 858 442-9098 or alanb at alanberrydesign.com . Thanks! Alan (#41, Irv Korey's old car) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sat Jul 20 10:12:50 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:12:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Mike, Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. Paul Ricco > On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > > How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > Curious minds want to know. > > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 10:47:14 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately none for the Spitfire despite its illustrious SCCA career. I was able to document 45 races and 20 wins 1970-76 through a lot of hard research. I have the SCCA logbook for the TR4 that documents its entire road racing career 1974-79. I connected with the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association historian and he was able to provide me the complete hillclimbing career prior to SCCA racing 1971-73. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > > How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > Curious minds want to know. > > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 10:48:45 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From cmstenquist at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 11:01:00 2019 From: cmstenquist at gmail.com (carl stenquist) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from > SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when > SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook > that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even > though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who > handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing > them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know > about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > > > Paul Ricco > > > > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at > Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 > SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never > a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while > the car was in it's prime. > >> > >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? 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URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 11:55:18 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing with dead dampers In-Reply-To: <000a01d53f1d$4d6df170$e849d450$@gmail.com> References: <000a01d53f1d$4d6df170$e849d450$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I raced almost two full weekends with a broken front shock. The shaft snapped off at the top of the shock tower so the gas pressure kept the shaft fully extended inside the dust cover. I was had handling issues the entire time, none of the usual trackside tweaks, like tire pressure, shock compression (Spax, adjusted while on the car with a screw on the bottom), check for loose bolts or alignment seemed to help. I found it when I jacked up the car to put on rain tires and the shock was leaning inside the spring. These cars keep finding new ways to break. mike h On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:05 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > I?ve just found out that I had raced the last two events with dead dampers > on the front end. > > Well, I?ve noticed the jumping on the front but thought, maybe this is TR8 > specific. > > > > Now I know better after I had hands on new shocks. > > > > Next race is at Dijon?..there I see what is the difference to new shocks. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 12:52:39 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mike,My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. ?Every ?logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ??update the picture!!? ?I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen.? I believe they have all of the SCCA archives.? ?607-535-9044Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4.? It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book.? > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA.? We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks.? You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them.? SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more.? > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jul 20 14:15:38 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Girling caliper seals TR/GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Jason: The brakes on a GT6 are asked to do a lot. The car weighs about as much as a TR4, but it?s nose heavy and you run 13? wheels, compared to the 15s on a TR. Smaller discs, less size to absorb heat and less ventilation. That said, I?ve only had a seal fail once - summer race weekend, put the car on the trailer hot, and found brake fluid on the trailer floor when I got home. Calipers had not been rebuilt for a while. Since then, I try to repack wheel bearings and pop the pistons out of the calipers about every two weekends. When the seals have gotten a little crispy on the outside edge, I replace them. I just get the Moss rebuild kits, though Dave Bean Lotus on the west coast has something special that costs more. Not sure it?s worth it. I don?t bother with dust seals as they just melt. I?ve rebuilt the same calipers over and over, use stainless steel pistons which I polish occasionally when they get scuffed. I never break the calipers apart. Bore condition really only has an effect on the piston wear, as the seal does not move in the bore. White Post tells me they do not re-sleeve caliper bores. You might try brake ducting to bring the temp down a bit. Motul 600 is good, but I boiled it once on an enduro pit stop, and now use the ridiculously expensive Castrol Gold stuff. See you at the races! On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: After two race weekends I have a leaky Girling 16pb caliper- Before the season, i rebuilt them with new pistons and seals, paying attention to carefully clean everything including the seal groves before assembly. The seal kit i used was branded TRW, Pistons are nitrided steel. Motul RBF600 fluid. Could just be a fluke..... Is there a particular brand of seals that hold up better to racing use? What sort of service life are others getting in-between rebuilds? Jason _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 20 15:24:19 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:24:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> Keep the old picture! The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. Bob > On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Mike, > My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: > > Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 > Carl Stenquist > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > > > Paul Ricco > > > > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > >> > >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > >> > >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > >> Curious minds want to know. > >> > >> mike h > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jul 20 16:51:08 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:51:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Girling caliper seals TR/GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78C05B16-F2C1-4B8E-814B-49BFC85BAC04@aol.com> Jason: I am on my third season (about 15 races) using seals from Roadster Factory and Girling LMA fluid. No problems. I do the Kastner trick of squaring up the pads every 2 races to make sure the forces on the pistons are reasonably parallel to the bore of the caliper. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > After two race weekends I have a leaky Girling 16pb caliper- Before the season, i rebuilt them with new pistons and seals, paying attention to carefully clean everything including the seal groves before assembly. The seal kit i used was branded TRW, Pistons are nitrided steel. Motul RBF600 fluid. > Could just be a fluke..... > Is there a particular brand of seals that hold up better to racing use? > > What sort of service life are others getting in-between rebuilds? > > Jason > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 17:08:57 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:08:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> Message-ID: <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> Fun story... I spent untold hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they weren?t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it. Thankfully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car. Fun part is, I didn?t check the old reg until questioned. Measured the dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thinnest of margins...sometimes better to be lucky than good... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > > Keep the old picture! > > The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. > > I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. > > Bob > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: >> >> Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 >> Carl Stenquist >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Mike, >> > >> > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. >> > >> > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. >> > >> > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. >> > >> > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. >> > >> > Paul Ricco >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> >> >> mike h >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage >> : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He said to use a drill press to do it. I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like that scrapped. Cheers, Bill On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jul 21 04:45:33 2019 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 05:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19E4AAAF54F44E4EB0830059DCFB9E1C@Rocky> At the 2011 Runoffs in the post-race tech line, the scrute pulled a plumb bob out of his pocket and suggested my air dam was wider than the bodywork of my Spitfire. He was looking at the fiberglass hood. Pointed out to him it could not be any further in as it was directly attached to the front valance which, after some 47 years of life, did not precisely line up with the hood, but it was original bodywork ? hidden behind the dam but required to be on the car -- while the hood wasn?t OEM. (I?d add the scrute was a friend who was yanking my chain as much as anything. ) --Rocky Entriken From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:08 PM To: Bob Bownes -Seiri Cc: FoTTriumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Fun story... I spent untold hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they weren?t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it. Thankfully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car. Fun part is, I didn?t check the old reg until questioned. Measured the dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thinnest of margins...sometimes better to be lucky than good... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: Keep the old picture! The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. Bob On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: Hi Mike, My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wrote the CRB suggesting that only the latest logbook back to the most recent Annual Tech need be shown, and that carrying around a document dating back to the ?70s was unnecessarily damaging to it. --Rocky Entriken From: Mike Harmuth via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:38 AM To: FoTTriumph Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? 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Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:35 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject) Hi All, I use the same setup as Phil, with good results. Squaring the pads is in one of Kas' books. Its making the pad surface flat. He said to use a drill press to do it. I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like that scrapped. Cheers, Bill On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. 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URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 08:33:45 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! -Marhieu _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 08:53:41 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:53:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Message-ID: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jul 21 09:10:07 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:10:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Back about 20 years or so I was impressed with Keizer Wheels. They made some very lightweight, like 7 pounds, three piece modular wheels.? The weight difference between a 6" wheel and an 8" wheel was only a couple of ounces. The center sections were made to fit the 4 on 3.75" pattern, and the center hole was an exact 55mm to make the wheels hubcentric on a Spitfire.? At least I think that was the dimension, it has been a LONG time.? I was working on becoming a local distributor, I recall Karen coming home one evening to find a big stack of 3 sets of 13 and 15 wheels cluttering the back porch. They are still in business, https://keizerwheels.com I have no idea of current pricing and product availability, but you may want to take a look at what they have. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ALPIN005.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 63040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 09:22:46 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> Did you try VTO? Spitfire (66-78) | | | | Spitfire (66-78) Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... | | | They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". Regards,Bob Lang On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jul 21 09:37:46 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 09:47:18 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: Also here? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:51:42 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:51:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> I think the trick with what?s available now is offsets. My period magnesium Minilites have a significant difference in front and rear offset. I am running a 3/8? spacer on the rear as well. I?m no expert but the guy that built my car was. I?m sure all the choices made were making the car faster... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Did you try VTO? > > Spitfire (66-78) > > Spitfire (66-78) > Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... > > > They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:53:02 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AAFAA55-0589-4C4D-983A-297BB5B09285@gmail.com> 9.5? wide...you could run some F1 tires on those! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > I think the trick with what?s available now is offsets. > > My period magnesium Minilites have a significant difference in front and rear offset. I am running a 3/8? spacer on the rear as well. > > I?m no expert but the guy that built my car was. I?m sure all the choices made were making the car faster... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> Did you try VTO? >> >> Spitfire (66-78) >> >> Spitfire (66-78) >> Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... >> >> >> They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Hey friends, >> I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:54:44 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> Genuine Minilites as well... https://www.minilitewheels.us/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: > > > https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM > To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) > Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot > Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels > > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jul 21 11:10:08 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B90D1C0-1EFC-48E4-BF25-4901A89CAF5D@att.net> Jon and Brad, Revolution and Minilite are actually part of the same company. Through the business that we own, we just brought a set of Minilites from the UK to the US on a direct deal. The old US distributer is having some issues. You may find response times to be very slow, like a month between emails. There is back story to that, and I will refrain from boring everyone with it. We had an excellent experience dealing with Minilite in the UK. They where very responsive and the wheels arrived the same week that we ordered them. I actually ordered bushing from Moss that where in stock and Minilites from England on the same day. The Minilite delivery got here 4 days before the Moss order. If anyone on FOT wants to see the current Minilite wheel, we will have a new set with us at Watkins Glen in September. We will also have a copy of their current catalog offering with us. They are offering a wide range of Offsets in most sizes. They also know the Triumph car line very well. If anyone needs or wants help ordering them, we committed to Minilite that we would be willing to help others in the US. We have had a very good experience so far. Paul Ricco (813) 716-1931 paulricco at meridiandealerservices.com > On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Genuine Minilites as well... > > https://www.minilitewheels.us/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, David Gott via Fot > wrote: > >> You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: >> >> >> https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/ >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot > wrote: >> >> Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com ] >> Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM >> To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net ) >> Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot >> Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels >> >> Hey friends, >> I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 11:29:36 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head?is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop.The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. SOHere's where the help comes in.Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes!Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. If its not one thing, its anotherNick in Nor Cal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 11:40:22 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:40:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try these guys. I've been using their wheels for years on the spit race car and my street Triumphs. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Spitfire-and-GT6-Minilight-Alloy-wheels-Rims-SILVER/311043263431?epid=682869525&hash=item486b9f8bc7:g:ViQAAOSwEzxYU8vW The parent company has a larger assortment of styles and widths, http://www.johnbrownwheels.com/ NFI mike h On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, > but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable > set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located > in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 13:03:03 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help In-Reply-To: <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> I think there?s probably some ?snake-b-gone? type product at your friendly local builder supply store. I saw some sort of product at Lowe?s a few days ago. or catch a mouse, tie a string on its leg and use it as bait. When the snake is fat and slow with freshly swallowed mouse, you yank the string and pull it outside. Drop it off two miles away (cut off the rest of the string if you don?t want it to die). Duncan > On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head > is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). > > I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop. > The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. > > SO > Here's where the help comes in. > Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes! > Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. > > If its not one thing, its another > Nick in Nor Cal > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jul 21 13:27:19 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:27:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at ponostyle.com Sun Jul 21 14:18:20 2019 From: bill at ponostyle.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:18:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help In-Reply-To: <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F5B9D0B-F278-4304-BE6C-E42DDAF1B7E7@ponostyle.com> The only poisonous snake in Norther California is rattlesnakes, and you?d know if you spooked one of those?they?d rattle. Lots of non-poisonous and therefore harmless alternatives. There are snake repellents, but they?re meant to repel snakes in a yard by broadcasting it on the grass. Not sure why anyone would want to do that, but I guess some people really don?t like snakes. In general they don?t like ultrasonics, so if you get one of those ultrasonic mouse chaser things it will probably chase the snake out. Or you could just assume they?ll leave when they find there?s not much to eat in your garage (unless there?s lots of mice, in which case you?d probably like them to stay and eliminate that population. Unless you?ve hermetically sealed your garage they can get out, and of course they can get in, so having seen one is functionally identical to NOT having seen one. > On Jul 21, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > > I think there?s probably some ?snake-b-gone? type product at your friendly local builder supply store. I saw some sort of product at Lowe?s a few days ago. > > or > > catch a mouse, tie a string on its leg and use it as bait. When the snake is fat and slow with freshly swallowed mouse, you yank the string and pull it outside. Drop it off two miles away (cut off the rest of the string if you don?t want it to die). > > Duncan > >> On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: >> >> So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head >> is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). >> >> I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop. >> The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. >> >> SO >> Here's where the help comes in. >> Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes! >> Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. >> >> If its not one thing, its another >> Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 18:16:51 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:16:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's how we square the tires on good old Merican iron. [image: Grinding the tires.JPG] On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:29 AM marty via Fot wrote: > Huh, finally found something I can use my surface grinder for. ? > Probably don't want to breath that stuff though. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Bill Tobin via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:35 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] (no subject) > > > Hi All, I use the same setup as Phil, with good results. > > Squaring the pads is in one of Kas' books. Its making the pad surface > flat. He said to use a drill press to do it. > > I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad > in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad > back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. > > Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from > the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like > that scrapped. > > Cheers, Bill > On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Grinding the tires.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2670548 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jul 21 22:10:50 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> Message-ID: <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. Beware, Dave H. > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > > > -Marhieu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 05:41:45 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup References: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just set up another TR6 differential using a brand new gear set that I've had on the shelf "for a while". I used the same method that I've always used and it seems to be correct. That said, I got to thinking that I had read on this list some time in the past that the setup for "oerlikon gears" was somehow different than what the TR6 factory manual indicates. So, I searched the archives for a while and found nothing (so far). I'll keep searching, but in the meantime - as long as I have the bearing preload, the pinion head height and pattern on the ring and the carrier clearances all set (including backlash), I'm all set. Right? I haven't lost any sleep over this, so I think I'm okay, but I am looking for any feedback that I can get. I'm also looking for suggestions regarding break-in. Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 22 06:36:23 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:36:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> References: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01d5408a$133395f0$399ac1d0$@gmail.com> Hi Bob, I said this in the past. To set the mesh pattern right, you need to do the opposite of what the manual suggests. If you follow the manual then you will end up that the pinion will hit the carrier. Preload and stuff like that is the same as in the manual. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Robert Lang via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juli 2019 13:42 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Differential Setup Hi, I just set up another TR6 differential using a brand new gear set that I've had on the shelf "for a while". I used the same method that I've always used and it seems to be correct. That said, I got to thinking that I had read on this list some time in the past that the setup for "oerlikon gears" was somehow different than what the TR6 factory manual indicates. So, I searched the archives for a while and found nothing (so far). I'll keep searching, but in the meantime - as long as I have the bearing preload, the pinion head height and pattern on the ring and the carrier clearances all set (including backlash), I'm all set. Right? I haven't lost any sleep over this, so I think I'm okay, but I am looking for any feedback that I can get. I'm also looking for suggestions regarding break-in. Regards, Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 06:53:51 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too tight against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get things to free up and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, by extension, you need to set bearing preload, then pinion depth via shims on the gear side of the carrier and then backlash via the shims on the smooth side. That's what I did and that's what worked. The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup (and an Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that setup for over 10 years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to scavenge the Quaife, the gears were perfect, so I musta done something right! But for the life of me I could not remember how I got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in miles.. As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better tool setup. I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up having to cut off two carrier bearings to get the shims installed. Thanks for the input! Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 08:05:08 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:05:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, Have a look at this post. I think it covers the topic very well. I have used OEM stuff so far and haven't run across this yet. https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145363 Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too tight > against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get things to free up > and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, by extension, you need to > set bearing preload, then pinion depth via shims on the gear side of the > carrier and then backlash via the shims on the smooth side. That's what I > did and that's what worked. > > The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup (and an > Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that setup for over 10 > years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to scavenge the Quaife, the > gears were perfect, so I musta done something right! But for the life of me > I could not remember how I got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. > > Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in miles.. > > As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better tool setup. > I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up having to cut off two > carrier bearings to get the shims installed. > > Thanks for the input! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 22 09:49:05 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] differential woes Message-ID: <565073228.869306.1563810545795@connect.xfinity.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 13:23:30 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:23:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... Message-ID: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Well the shop is now much cleaner. Having used compressed air all over the place tryin to get it to leave. Cats are not an option...the shop dog would lose his mind! Compressed air and loud music all nite hasn?t produced any results either. Need to find the ?snake-b-gone? but my local store knows nothing... At least it?s not scorpions...I managed to convince them that the shop was ?off limits?. Sent from the wilds of NorCal From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jul 22 13:59:43 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:59:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1402767a-a91e-1a49-d01b-2dbcd884f53c@verizon.net> Tractor Supple may have the snake b gone stuff. Bill On 7/22/2019 3:23 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well the shop is now much cleaner. Having used compressed air all over the place tryin to get it to leave. > Cats are not an option...the shop dog would lose his mind! > Compressed air and loud music all nite hasn???t produced any results either. > Need to find the ???snake-b-gone??? but my local store knows nothing... > > At least it???s not scorpions...I managed to convince them that the shop was ???off limits???. > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 15:25:31 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:25:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9942BB79-EF06-4A25-9D32-2EDCA15E511B@gmail.com> I?ve caught snakes accidentally when they got caught in bird netting I?d hung in the rafters to discourage birds from nesting overhead in my carport. Gotta find them before they liquify, though. Nothing like the smell of a 2-week dead rat snake. Duncan > On Jul 22, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Well the shop is now much cleaner. Having used compressed air all over the place tryin to get it to leave. > Cats are not an option...the shop dog would lose his mind! > Compressed air and loud music all nite hasn?t produced any results either. > Need to find the ?snake-b-gone? but my local store knows nothing... > > At least it?s not scorpions...I managed to convince them that the shop was ?off limits?. > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 18:42:20 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:42:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quartermaster friction disc part number Message-ID: I am looking for the part number for a 7.25 dia. Quartermaster friction disc with a 1" x10 hub. (GT6 hub). I have one and used to have the part number but am coming up dry finding it on line or my records. Anybody? Currently not showing up in the Quartermaster on line catalog either that I can see. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 22 21:52:45 2019 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:52:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: In case TSC doesn?t have it https://www.amazon.com/Ortho-Snake-Repellent-Granules-2-Pound/dp/B009QAPKL4 -Randall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Tue Jul 23 00:30:17 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:30:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <20190723035307.F098CA0808@autox.team.net> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> <20190723035307.F098CA0808@autox.team.net> Message-ID: And the obligatory: I thought snakes only came in bundles with big block V8's.... On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM Randall via Fot wrote: > In case TSC doesn?t have it > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Ortho-Snake-Repellent-Granules-2-Pound/dp/B009QAPKL4 > > > > -Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Watkins Glenn KOA Cabin available From: Russ Kolesar Date: 7/24/19, 5:23 AM We are unable to go to Watkins Glenn for the Vintage Festival Before I just cancel the reservation , I wanted to offer our reservation Deluxe Cabin sleeps 5 TV Bath and kitchenette Check in Wednesday 9/4 and check out Sunday 9/8 *Watkins Glen / Corning KOA* 1710 State Route 414 (GPS address 1710 KOA Dr) PO Box 228 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 Let me know if anyone is interested, we can work out the details Russ Kolesar From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jul 24 11:57:01 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Email, Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <06496c01-d3f3-667b-ae08-6d22ccd3678f@bradakis.com> References: <06496c01-d3f3-667b-ae08-6d22ccd3678f@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7dc80f98-9fa0-6f50-2c5f-f068460c1ed9@verizon.net> I don't need this, but will say that they are quite nice. A bunch of us stayed there a couple years ago for the Corning Wineglass Marathon. We used the pool and hot tub afterward. Also just down the road from the track. Cheers, Bill On 7/24/2019 8:33 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > To send a message to fot at autox.team.net you send a message to > fot at autox.team.net. > > > Subject: > Watkins Glenn KOA Cabin available > From: > Russ Kolesar > Date: > 7/24/19, 5:23 AM > > We are unable to go to Watkins Glenn for the Vintage Festival > > Before I just cancel the reservation , I wanted to offer our reservation > > Deluxe Cabin sleeps 5 TV Bath and kitchenette > > Check in Wednesday 9/4 and check out Sunday 9/8 > > *Watkins Glen / Corning KOA* > 1710 State Route 414 (GPS address 1710 KOA Dr) > PO Box 228 > Watkins Glen, NY 14891 > > Let me know if anyone is interested, we can work out the details > > Russ Kolesar > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jul 24 15:41:55 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, wrote: > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > #317 TR4 BRG > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen > Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > Beware, > > Dave H. > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jul 24 19:51:52 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:51:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> Hi Guys, it took me a bit to find this info. Long ago, in a Galaxie far away ( might have been a Fairlane though. Doubt it was a Falcon)?? ((think about it, Ford guys!)) I worked for several Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge garages. Did quite a few diffs A few years ago I went to an auction of a closing dealership and bought some Miller special tools, including a C 293 bearing puller. This puller uses different inserts to fit various bearings. The Miller C 293 with C293-45 inserts fits the side (carrier) bearings on my TR6. Didn't have to pull the pinion bearings, but there should be inserts to do that. If memory serves, C 293-37 inserts fit the pinions.?? There's a spacer that is needed for the side bearings, C 293-3. One of those could easily be made. Bear in mind, different bearings use different inserts. I looked on ebay and found the Miller tools. Some are outlandishly priced, but some are reasonable. Worth a look. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bill On 7/22/2019 10:05 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Bob, > > Have a look at this post. I think it covers the topic very well. I > have used OEM stuff so far and haven't run across this yet. > > https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145363 > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot > > wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too > tight against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get > things to free up and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, > by extension, you need to set bearing preload, then pinion depth > via shims on the gear side of the carrier and then backlash via > the shims on the smooth side. That's what I did and that's what > worked. > > The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup > (and an Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that > setup for over 10 years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to > scavenge the Quaife, the gears were perfect, so I musta done > something right! But for the life of me I could not remember how I > got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. > > Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in > miles.. > > As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better > tool setup. I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up > having to cut off two carrier bearings to get the shims installed. > > Thanks for the input! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 24 22:19:17 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> Message-ID: <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same product that fits every time. TOTAL BS. Dave H. > On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: > > I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com mailto:timmmurphh at gmail.com > < timmmurphh at gmail.com mailto:timmmurphh at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > > > > > > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > > > > > > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > > > > #317 TR4 BRG > > > > > > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > > To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen > > Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > > > > > > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. > > > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. > > > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > > > Beware, > > > > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > > > > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > > > > > > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > > > > > > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > > > > > > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > > > > > > Phil Gott > > > > > > 114 TR4A > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > > > > > > > -Marhieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 23:24:14 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> Fun part is that Porterfield sends you the metric Datsun 240Z pad for the 16P caliper that you then have to machine to fit the pin locations. Went round and round with them...they weren?t listening... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:19 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same product that fits every time. > > TOTAL BS. > > Dave H. > >> On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> >> I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com> < timmmurphh at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim and Ryan Murphy >>> >>> #317 TR4 BRG >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot >>> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM >>> To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads >>> >>> >>> >>> The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. >>> >>> If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. >>> >>> I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. >>> >>> I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. >>> >>> As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. >>> >>> Beware, >>> >>> Dave H. >>> >>> >>> >>> On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >>> The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. >>> >>> Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. >>> >>> Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). >>> >>> Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. >>> >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> 114 TR4A >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! >>> >>> -Marhieu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 06:16:05 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am probably not alone in having been at the track with a spare set of pads in the parts box when I have run across these fitment problems on a Saturday night getting ready for the next day. Bob Kramer On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 12:24 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Fun part is that Porterfield sends you the metric Datsun 240Z pad for the > 16P caliper that you then have to machine to fit the pin locations. > > Went round and round with them...they weren?t listening... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:19 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: > > I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with > Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction > pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. > I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to > document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share > them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course > Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, > but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced > with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior > products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same > product that fits every time. > > TOTAL BS. > > Dave H. > > On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: > > I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work > reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with > squaring every two races. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com> < > timmmurphh at gmail.com> wrote: > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the > Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 > race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race > weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound > brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the > stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is > getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > > #317 TR4 BRG > > > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *DAVE HOGYE via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > *To:* Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; > ralph hansen > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing > plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total > clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech > pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were > definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, > right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by > .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This > immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The > pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. > The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in > a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses > and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get > cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still > be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of > the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory > pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads > also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at > the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces > uneven wear. > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality > control. > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly > within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the > backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, > the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > Beware, > > Dave H. > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to > different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly > they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the > binding. > > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good > dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction > material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do > not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic > irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first > session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new > pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if > you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for > temperature effects). > > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the > rotor surface. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to > make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - > in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, > these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, > you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the > angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all > important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 25 08:07:13 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:07:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> Message-ID: <21e0aad0-5e3a-76fa-5411-a5257d537b2c@bradakis.com> On 7/24/19 7:51 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Hi Guys, it took me a bit to find this info. > > Long ago, in a Galaxie far away ( might have been a Fairlane though. > Doubt it was a Falcon)?? ((think about it, Ford guys!)) > Are you positively sure it wasn't a Falcon?? The Millennium package? Seriously, proper tools for both differential and transmission work really make the job a lot easier.? I will certainly check out the Miller tools. mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 16:05:01 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:05:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads Message-ID: Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. DH -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4120.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 446947 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. DH > On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > > Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. > DH > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 18:43:37 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:43:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net> Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jul 25 19:02:02 2019 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, Message-ID: Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jul 25 20:39:51 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another brake pad In-Reply-To: <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> References: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and they run fine. Phil 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing. We need these companies to build us quality parts. As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible. These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap. I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others. Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. > > DH > >> On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. >> DH >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 25 23:56:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:56:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Another brake pad In-Reply-To: <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> References: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601d54376$d504c840$7f0e58c0$@gmail.com> Pagid is making pads for the TR standard brakes. RSH 3 it is named. If you don?t get them in USA I can send some batches to Joe Alexander? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 04:40 An: DAVE HOGYE Cc: Friends Of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Another brake pad I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and they run fine. Phil 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing. We need these companies to build us quality parts. As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible. These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap. I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others. Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. DH On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot > wrote: Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 26 04:58:51 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:58:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , Message-ID: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Fri Jul 26 06:03:53 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:03:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. Paul > On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. > You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. > DH > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 06:14:24 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C08B831-152E-4FB2-BA87-A648FE2F96CC@gmail.com> I used EBC Yellowstuff on recommendation of another racer but my experience was awful. I followed my usual break-in procedure (progressively harder stops to get some heat in the pads and rotors, followed by a long run to cool the brakes) but during a subsequent race the pads felt like they were glazed. I tried sanding them and the material came away in chunks. I chanced it again but the brakes were not effective after the first few applications, and again I tried to sand them with the same results ? the material crumbled. If the attached picture can be viewed on this forum, you can see what happened when I poked the material with a small flat-bladed screwdriver. Duncan > On Jul 26, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. > > Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. > > On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. > > Paul > > > >> On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. >> You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. >> DH >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The pads are for sure double or triple as expensive than EBC (TR4 pads) but they last about 2 years on my car. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 14:14 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brake pads I used EBC Yellowstuff on recommendation of another racer but my experience was awful. I followed my usual break-in procedure (progressively harder stops to get some heat in the pads and rotors, followed by a long run to cool the brakes) but during a subsequent race the pads felt like they were glazed. I tried sanding them and the material came away in chunks. I chanced it again but the brakes were not effective after the first few applications, and again I tried to sand them with the same results ? the material crumbled. If the attached picture can be viewed on this forum, you can see what happened when I poked the material with a small flat-bladed screwdriver. Duncan On Jul 26, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. Paul On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot > wrote: Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot.? Pretty sloppy construction. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Spot on! > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10 > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477584973&sdata=ydO0Vtf5B1qZhgo%2FjW0qSo0FpZdP7ih4EsMStf3PY50%3D&reserved=0 > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM > To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477594984&sdata=PGST4uXv9VCDTGEKkocsycZQWRNDDtgDvxa8PlRSkUo%3D&reserved=0 > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM > To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > Comments ? > jimg > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQdalHDSQRDk&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477604989&sdata=epNUG%2FN%2BMbsoSpw6q20xNzQmI3rxSNY5CzlMob0d7t4%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 26 11:58:47 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:58:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook _____ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Fri Jul 26 13:10:12 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:10:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jul 26 13:51:46 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> Is the FIA dominated by the French? ?Aren?t they famous for adjusting the rules to suit their needs? It was that way back in the old days.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, July 26, 2019,?Ross, Lawrence via Fot??wrote: _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Helvetica;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Cambria Math;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 A:link {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:blue;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288MsoHyperlink {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:blue;}#yiv9042885288 A:visited {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:purple;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288MsoHyperlinkFollowed {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:purple;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288E-MailFormatvorlage24 {FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:windowtext;}#yiv9042885288 .yiv9042885288MsoChpDefault {FONT-SIZE:10pt;}#yiv9042885288 P {MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;} You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag vonJAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Comments ? jimg ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk?? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Fri Jul 26 13:59:21 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:59:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> You are correct... Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Is the FIA dominated by the French? Aren?t they famous for adjusting the rules to suit their needs? It was that way back in the old days. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 26, 2019, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jul 26 14:57:35 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Message-ID: <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Then ban the FIA > On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: > > > You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. > > > > The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. > > > > Larry Ross > > > > Lawrence Ross Agency > 67 Old Clairton Rd. > Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 > (412) 655-9990 - office > (412) 780-8495 - cell > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM > To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. > > F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. > > The best car wins. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 > An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. > > The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? > > I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. > > Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. > > jimg > > > > > > On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > > > I saw that last night. Spot on! > > > > > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.microsoft.com_fwlink_-3FLinkId-3D550986&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=dKIL700Iqs2YJEqrvWFKjfUnORxucKsZ2OJbNEkNh_c&e= for Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM > > To: fot > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Faka.ms-252Fweboutlook-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477584973-26sdata-3DydO0Vtf5B1qZhgo-252FjW0qSo0FpZdP7ih4EsMStf3PY50-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=2mqg83xQWA3Kpfe70IAnMG2y_w7FYqKHU2cMcHzGo0E&e= > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Henry A. 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Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? > > > > > > > > Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Faka.ms-252Fweboutlook-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477594984-26sdata-3DPGST4uXv9VCDTGEKkocsycZQWRNDDtgDvxa8PlRSkUo-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=X5AyKXYNO4I1POLfyozw5N0yg6gue7WYq8Wfw5hwHjo&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM > > To: 'fot' > > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > > > > Comments ? > > jimg > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.youtube.com-252Fwatch-253Fv-253DQdalHDSQRDk-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477604989-26sdata-3DepNUG-252FN-252BMbsoSpw6q20xNzQmI3rxSNY5CzlMob0d7t4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=8cIaPfKB1Ip9iFALb0ygguDtlIiKpU5zbcI5xjvKCbM&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fot-2Dracing.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=Y1zSSsCpPoFDVs57D2P_QSmZq-oJ2MXemB2e20xvkVw&e= > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=oHyZ1HOBm-CUo57UVWXfbmHtYCu2_CGhmdnvAGeScMs&e= > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=iFya5JTU8NwV2GjGYp0YOmZdnmlxOJjXOtURuR-JgLQ&e= http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_fot&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=GiNC17j9gKzeGSrZwznCDVZ_L_Vr-7w_4aPePQZyXXE&e= > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_fot_toodamnfunky-40comcast.net&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=3pfxcZxmDl_E6c9dMbqneUOLp4JrVdAhEMGdxjlfFRA&e= > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 26 15:19:01 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:19:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com>, <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Jul 27 03:40:40 2019 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (john.r.davies at btinternet.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:40:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> References: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Message-ID: <4274f02d.cf7.16c32cdc0c5.Webtop.224@btinternet.com> Anyone who thinks F1 isn't exciting missed the last race, the British GP at Silverstone. OK, Hamilton won by a British mile, but there was real racing just behind him! And, I would not take advice from Jeremy Clarkson if my life depended on it. The man is the worst of cads. For instance, years ago, long before he punched his producer in the face for not serving him a hot meal after a long day shooting video, I saw him telling his production team that they were a load of sh1ts. It wasn't the language, it was that this was in a crowded restaurant. You can do that to your crew in private, but not in public. John ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" To: "Bill Dentinger" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, 26 Jul, 2019 At 20:59 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 You are correct... Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Is the FIA dominated by the French? Aren?t they famous for adjusting the rules to suit their needs? It was that way back in the old days. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 26, 2019, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: john.r.davies at btinternet.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.r.davies at btinternet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Fri Jul 26 11:15:46 2019 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:15:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1564161346.c3yc2jgylcgs4o80@webmail.lumos.net> I wish they would get rid of the ovals.  I can't stand to watch cars simply go in circles. John   On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT), JAMES GRAY via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   I saw that last night.  Spot on!   Terry Stetler   Sent from Mail for Windows 10   From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1       Sent from Outlook   From: Henry A. Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; FOT at auto.team.net <FOT at auto.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1   He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?  8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight?   Henry Morrison   Sent from Outlook     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1   Comments ? jimg   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk     _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net     _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 26 17:44:08 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:44:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net> <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place. The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them. I don?t envy them. Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting. One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home. Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that. To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class. So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, any season. Which one would you pick? > On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. > > Terry Stetler > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM > To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > Then ban the FIA > >> On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: >> >> You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. >> >> >> >> The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. >> >> >> >> Larry Ross >> >> >> >> Lawrence Ross Agency >> 67 Old Clairton Rd. >> Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 >> (412) 655-9990 - office >> (412) 780-8495 - cell >> From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM >> To: fot at autox. team. net >> Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. >> >> F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. >> >> The best car wins. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot >> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 >> An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. >> >> The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? >> >> I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. >> >> Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. >> >> jimg >> >> On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: >> >> I saw that last night. Spot on! >> >> >> >> Terry Stetler >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM >> To: fot >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> >> From: Henry A. Morrison >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM >> To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? >> >> >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM >> To: 'fot' >> Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> Comments ? >> jimg >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:07:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <2019398187.3558004.1564279667907.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2019398187.3558004.1564279667907@mail.yahoo.com> Me too! I guess any racing is better than no racing, but?turn left and haul ass seems to lack a degree of difficulty.Bill Dentinget Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?R. John Lye via Fot??wrote: I wish they would get rid of the ovals.? I can't stand to watch cars simply go in circles. John ? On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT), JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: ? I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1??? Sent from Outlook ?From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1?He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight??Henry Morrison? Sent from Outlook ??From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:15:03 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and?stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot??wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place.? The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them.? I don?t envy them.? Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting.? One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home.? Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that.? To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class.? So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, ?any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: #yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 -- _filtered #yiv9757678604 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 a:link, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 a:visited, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 .yiv9757678604MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604WordSection1 {}#yiv9757678604 I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Comments ? jimg ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk?? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:15:03 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and?stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot??wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place.? The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them.? I don?t envy them.? Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting.? One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home.? Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that.? To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class.? So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, ?any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: #yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 -- _filtered #yiv9757678604 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 a:link, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 a:visited, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 .yiv9757678604MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604WordSection1 {}#yiv9757678604 I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? 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URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Jul 27 20:25:44 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:25:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Attending SCCA majors last month reminds me of the pro motorcycle races I did... not any comradely, not a enjoyable event, cold, every man for himself... I?ve done that once, not again. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2019, at 10:15 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Saturday, July 27, 2019, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot > wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place. The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them. I don?t envy them. Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting. One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home. Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that. To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class. So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence >; Ross, Lawrence via Fot >; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" > wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler >; Terry Stetler via Fot >; Henry A. Morrison > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 07:39:57 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators In-Reply-To: References: <1265538906.3339.1562875572559.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1265538906.3339.1562875572559@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431224347.1505977.1564407597396@mail.yahoo.com> thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit RalphApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators?just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 29 08:33:52 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators References: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> The important part is "new Denso units".A good friend who is in the bidness of rebuilding starters/gennys has pointed out several points in the reman process that are failure-prone, and wear limits of some components may be very generous.As with any "rebuilt" you take your chances...Glen -----Original Message----- From: ralph hansen via Fot To: FOT Triumph ; marty Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit RalphApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators?just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 29 10:22:48 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:22:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators In-Reply-To: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gotta agree with Glen. Brand new Denso means quality. Back when I was working at the local import shop the various Japanese cars we serviced would regularly get 100,000+ miles on their Denso starters, then the failure mode was worn out solenoid contacts, which listed for about $15 at the time. Replace those and they would get another 100K out of those things. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 10:33:52 AM To: quikrx at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; trmarty at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators The important part is "new Denso units". A good friend who is in the bidness of rebuilding starters/gennys has pointed out several points in the reman process that are failure-prone, and wear limits of some components may be very generous. As with any "rebuilt" you take your chances... Glen -----Original Message----- From: ralph hansen via Fot To: FOT Triumph ; marty Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit Ralph Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 09:11:52 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Looking for starter part References: <1440480304.312899.1564499512498.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1440480304.312899.1564499512498@mail.yahoo.com> I'm sure many of you are like me, in that over a 50 year obsession with Triumphs, I have accumulated a lot of bits and pieces.? When I was racing, I was given a couple of old TR-3's and bought a few more for $50 each (or less).? I parted out 6 or 7 cars, and kept anything that looked like it might be useful some day.? With that in mind, I'm hoping someone might have the piece I am looking for, or know someone who does. When I completed the restoration on my TR-2 twenty-seven years ago, I tried to keep it very original.? I used the original (long) starter, which was used on all TR-2's and 3's up to chassis number 50,000.? This starter has always worked well for me.? As I was cleaning out and organizing some of my old parts, I came across one of these early starters, and decided to get it rebuilt so my daughter, who now has the TR-2, would have a spare on the shelf if she ever needs it.? The local electric shop took it apart and checked all of the components, and everything checked out all right, except for an item called the pinion, which of course is no longer available.? The pinion rides on the shaft coming our of the main starter body and includes the gear which engages the flywheel.? The Moss part number is 549-600, and the Triumph factory part number is 501030. If anyone has this part, in a box of old starter parts, that they would be willing to sell, please let me know.? I figured they made at least 50,000 of these things (plus any for service), so there should still be a few laying around somewhere.? I'm hoping one of you can help me find one. Thanks in advance for your help. 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Thanks in advance, Tony Drews From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 31 10:52:56 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... ;-) Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JVV http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.org/ -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ wpta at autox.team.net ------------------------------------- http://www.wptriumph.org Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/wpta/mark at bradakis.com From jfrymark at aol.com Wed Jul 31 18:55:38 2019 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) received any info or confirmation from them? John Frymark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert Lang > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > ;-) > Regards,Bob Lang > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > ************************************* From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 31 19:15:31 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: John, if you're asking about the Friday Tour I recently asked when it starts and heard back that check-in at the Winery is between 7:30 and 8:30. I believe a notice is coming out soon. JVV -----Original Message----- From: John Frymark via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:55 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) received any info or confirmation from them? John Frymark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert Lang > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I > knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > ;-) > Regards,Bob Lang > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 19:27:44 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: I haven't gotten any thing back either but if I go to the WG event page on the SVRA website and try to register, it say's I'm already am, would I like to add a 2nd car. Believe they have a big event this coming weekend at Indy, so wouldn't expect see any updates or info about the Glen for a while. mike h On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Frymark via Fot wrote: > Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) > received any info or confirmation from them? > > John Frymark > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Robert Lang > > To: FOT Triumph > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi, > > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 31 21:15:36 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm in the "I have heard nothing" camp too. - Tony Drews On 7/31/2019 8:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > I haven't gotten any thing back either but if I go to the WG event > page on the SVRA website and try to register, it say's I'm already am, > would I like to add a 2nd car. > > Believe they have a big event this coming weekend at Indy, so wouldn't > expect see any updates or info about the Glen for a while. > > mike h > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Frymark via Fot > > wrote: > > Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last > December) received any info or confirmation from them? > > John Frymark > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >? ?1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Robert Lang > > > To: FOT Triumph > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi, > > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. > If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > > ;-) > > Regards,Bob Lang > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 1 09:30:48 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:30:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic - Triumph TR8 IMSA GTO Message-ID: <000d01d53021$f648fc50$e2daf4f0$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, a little video from last Weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzFUzruOgk I had minor problems. In race 1 the rear tires didn't heat up and were underinflated and lost tire pressure from the high forces at Eau Rouge. I solved that for race 2 + 3. Unfortunately the corning forces are now high enough that the Watts link locator broke. I need to reinforce that device. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 1 17:16:00 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 01:16:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa Summer Classic - Triumph TR8 IMSA GTO In-Reply-To: References: <000d01d53021$f648fc50$e2daf4f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d53062$f34c4d90$d9e4e8b0$@gmail.com> And race 3. https://youtu.be/YX5k3ijexSc Cheers Chris On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:31 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Guys, a little video from last Weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzFUzruOgk I had minor problems. In race 1 the rear tires didn't heat up and were underinflated and lost tire pressure from the high forces at Eau Rouge. I solved that for race 2 + 3. Unfortunately the corning forces are now high enough that the Watts link locator broke. I need to reinforce that device. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jul 1 18:34:13 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes In-Reply-To: <1BBAFEF6-7084-49F5-8C6B-E5DAB7763337@att.net> References: <3DD6F733-1653-47F1-9FE6-C6E25C992FC2@icloud.com> <1BBAFEF6-7084-49F5-8C6B-E5DAB7763337@att.net> Message-ID: <828386D0-AC80-4779-9A9F-009EE15AB42B@icloud.com> I called both Pegasus and Canton today, no joy. Here is what I found online in another forum on the topic. This was allegedly posted by a Canton employee. We stopped selling the O-Ring kits and instead offer a rebuild service now. When we were selling the O-Ring kit we frequently had to deal with customers that ruined their Accusumps and then wanted us to warranty the parts. If you are going to take the Accusump apart be VERY aware of how much pressure you are putting on the tube. The most common issue we saw was the Accusump tube being clamped down on and the tube would then be out of round and no longer get a proper seal. This jives with what Canton told me on the phone today. I?ve been pulling my accusump apart on average once a year for 10 years now as a part of a oil system cleaning inspection process, never had a problem. I guess I am not to be trusted, good to know. Anyways, I?ll just take the failing o?rings to the local hydraulic shop and get some replacements. If I remember to do it, I?ll post sizes once I find them. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Paul Ricco wrote: > > Greg, > > Pegasus Racing sells the rebuild kits for Accusump. > > Or you can go to Canton?s website. > > Or call the tech line at Pegasus on Monday and ask for Bob or Bart. They will get you what you need. > > Paul Ricco > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 29, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> Autocorrect got me. Looking to replace the Orings on the accusump piston and end caps. I can?t find the sizes listed anywhere. >> >> I found about 1/4 qt behind the piston (air side) when cleaning it today. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 2 09:59:03 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:59:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Whose car is this? 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu Jul 4 14:34:59 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 15:34:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump orings Message-ID: I found the proper size O-Rings, no thanks to Canton. They were no help whatsoever. So the end cap O-Rings are No 241 the piston takes No 341. Averaged $1/ea at the local seal supply. Greg Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jul 6 17:53:34 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:53:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accusump orings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DCE9F34-4ABE-40E1-AA0E-FE394323F105@icloud.com> Strike that. The end cap O-Ring I purchased, No 241, had a diameter a little to big for the end cap seal. My guess is it is s 240. The piston O-Rings worked well upon reassemble and pressure testing. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > I found the proper size O-Rings, no thanks to Canton. They were no help whatsoever. > > So the end cap O-Rings are No 241 the piston takes No 341. > > Averaged $1/ea at the local seal supply. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Mon Jul 8 06:32:10 2019 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:32:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: References: <4C880B8A-EF63-4D7A-8036-E89EB5CA5406@me.com> <7235EF4C-D6E0-4D92-8838-B5B9C07A8088@gmail.com> <79adf644895f4f3ca8eef3c3f05a2041@dieselperformanceparts.com> <18af672790514be6932bdf29a8c8c325@dieselperformanceparts.com> <332fd4199d1049bdbbc5fbf60eab70b3@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: <881455d065a4498389490b1bf0a5d4f3@dieselperformanceparts.com> Chuck, All things being equal and my price sheet being current they will cost you 243.50 and a little UPS. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: chasgee22 at gmail.com [mailto:chasgee22 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 1:14 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells Hi Mark, I finally got around to figuring out what I need. Here are the part numbers: TF600-6 plate TF207 dip stick, unless the above comes with it, but doesn?t look like it does. How much and how long to get? Thanks, Chuck Gee On Mar 13, 2019, at 5:37 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: 91.30 and shipping. Just be 1000% sure it is the correct part. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:19 AM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells the part number is BF610 On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:16 AM DPPI - Mark Craig > wrote: John, Get on ATL?s site and get me a part number and then I can get you a price. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: John Styduhar [mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 7:13 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells What price can you get on foam for a 10 gal sport cell BF610. Thanks On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:28 PM DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: As a reminder I offer ATL cells to all the FOT members at a low discount too. Get your part number and e mail it to me. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 11:26 PM To: Scott Janzen > Cc: Steve Hirschtritt >; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells I thought it was best to replace the original 1969 fuel bladder in the Spitfire... Found an 8 gallon ATL cell that fit right in the original can with minimal modification... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman fuel cell. I?d always been under the impression that these things aged out. My vintage organization does not require certification or date tags, however, unlike on seat belts. I called Fuel Safe, talked to a helpful tech, and he said if the bladder isn?t leaking, if the foam isn?t breaking down and showing up in the fuel filter, and the bladder is still flexible, no cracking, it could last for 20 years. It should be inspected, but they were not pushing to sell me a new one. Just saved $700 bucks. Makes you wonder about the FIA language, should you be planning to race in Europe: 2 FUEL BLADDER LIFETIME No fuel bladders shall be used for more than 5 years after the date of manufacture, unless reinspected and recertified by the manufacturer at the end of this 5 year period, for a supplementary period of up to 2 years after the date of recertification not exceeding 7 years after the date of manufacture. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ebay item number: 254289435385 Back to previous pageReturn to top Additional site navigation - About eBay - Announcements - Community - Security Center - Resolution Center - Seller Center - Policies - Affiliates - Help & Contact - Site Map Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Accessibility , User Agreement , Privacy , Cookies and AdChoice *Norton Secured - powered by Verisign* -- *Craig Leinicke* Leinicke Group, Inc. 213 Old Meramec Station Rd. Manchester, MO 63021 craigl at leinickegroup.com O: 636-227-4424 C: 636-236-8452 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jul 8 16:20:32 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:20:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a TR6 louvered hood I would sell. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:27 PM Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: > A fellow Sports Car Club member brought by a very nice early Triumph > louvered race car hood (flat hinge panel) which was removed from a TR2 > vintage race car. > The TR2 is being restored for street/show use and the owner no longer > wants the hood. He wants $500. Hood is very nice. > Ebay item number: 254289435385 > Back to previous pageReturn to top > > Additional site navigation > > - About eBay > - Announcements > - Community > - Security Center > - Resolution Center > - Seller Center > > - Policies > - Affiliates > - Help & Contact > - Site Map > > Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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Sent from my iPhone From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 06:08:53 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wilwood compact MC part No 260-6087 In-Reply-To: <09D087CB-DD7E-442B-9373-4CE1D0661613@icloud.com> References: <09D087CB-DD7E-442B-9373-4CE1D0661613@icloud.com> Message-ID: Try Speedway Motors https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Search?query=master+cylinder+rebuild+kit Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:56 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > Anyone using these Girling style master cylinders? Do you know the part > number for a rebuild kit for the 260-6087 5/8? compact master cylinder? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All Rights Reserved.?Accessibility,?User Agreement,?Privacy,?Cookies?and?AdChoice | Norton Secured - powered by Verisign | ? -- Craig LeinickeLeinicke Group, Inc.213 Old Meramec Station Rd.Manchester, MO 63021craigl at leinickegroup.comO:? 636-227-4424C:? 636-236-8452_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 9 10:11:15 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] R200 differential install to TR4A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2007161197.592549.1562688675913@connect.xfinity.com> Jerry, I don't use the R200 diff. I use the Triumph diff with the Quaiffe limited slip. I do use Richards CV axles and hubs though. Are you still using stock hubs ? It sounds like your using the stock 1/2 shafts and adding the springs for the stiction problem they supposedly have. jim g > On July 8, 2019 at 5:08 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > List, I?m assembling all the parts needed to install a R200 short tail 3.69 viscous LSD from an Infinity into my TR4A. Goodparts kit will arrive tomorrow and I?m having a driveshaft shortened locally. I sourced the diff locally. I?m interested in hearing from others who have done this themselves on a TR4A or TR6 and what if any problems did you encounter? And your solutions. > > Of particular interest is the use of springs between the 2 sections of the halfshafts and your experience in determining the correct length of those springs. Richard recomends them and he makes a compelling argument for their use. Also I?m aware of the diff flange having some interference with the bodywork in the tee shirt area. My frame is reinforced and I have replaced the OE rubber trailing arm bushes with solid ones. > > Kindly tell me your experience. > > Thanks, > > Jerry Van Vlack > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 14:32:14 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood In-Reply-To: <543749048.257010.1562685254648@mail.yahoo.com> References: <543749048.257010.1562685254648@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hijack the thread... I?ve got a nearly new set of 8 spoke Koenig Rewind 15x7?s that briefly ran on our TR6. These are the minilite style wheels that Discount Tire sells for just under $500 for a set of 4. The catch is the spokes have been painted white, nicely painted and still have silver rim. Yours for $200 plus shipping. Private message me for photos or more info. Dusty Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:14 AM, jameselbe--- via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a TR4 louvered hood I would sell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Craig Leinicke > Cc: Fot > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 4:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR2 & TR3 Race Car Louvered Hood > > I have a TR6 louvered hood I would sell. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:27 PM Craig Leinicke via Fot wrote: > A fellow Sports Car Club member brought by a very nice early Triumph louvered race car hood (flat hinge panel) which was removed from a TR2 vintage race car. > The TR2 is being restored for street/show use and the owner no longer wants the hood. He wants $500. Hood is very nice. > Ebay item number: 254289435385 > Back to previous pageReturn to top > Additional site navigation > About eBayAnnouncementsCommunitySecurity CenterResolution CenterSeller CenterPoliciesAffiliatesHelp & ContactSite Map > Copyright ? 1995-2019 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Accessibility, User Agreement, Privacy, Cookies and AdChoice Norton Secured - powered by Verisign > > > > -- > > Craig Leinicke > Leinicke Group, Inc. > 213 Old Meramec Station Rd. > Manchester, MO 63021 > craigl at leinickegroup.com > O: 636-227-4424 > C: 636-236-8452 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 14:40:03 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:40:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Message-ID: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Some interesting stuff here. http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html mjb. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 15:16:44 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 15:31:48 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:31:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. mjb. From bownes at web9.com Wed Jul 10 18:09:45 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <26e3a382-2839-7264-7f30-1d629d804a84@bradakis.com> Message-ID: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. > > My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to > Europe. Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 10 19:40:29 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:40:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> My guess would be they need sold to settle the estate and or equitably distribute the assets if any remain after debts are settled. Not privy to any information but that's how estates are settled. Not certain the kids have any control or little control at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 5:16 PM To: Mark J Bradakis ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot > wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 10 20:35:39 2019 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Turns out, Charles borrowed a lot of money, and failed to keep his promise to buy life insurance to cover it. So his heirs are trying to raise as much cash as possible, to pay off the debts without having to liquidate TRF. They (through lawyers of course) have already said it won?t be enough, but they are hoping to persuade a judge to let them pay the balance from future TRF profits. BTW, the Coventry Inn is up for sale too. Randall From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 8:40 PM To: Brad Eells; Mark J Bradakis; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection My guess would be they need sold to settle the estate and or equitably distribute the assets if any remain after debts are settled. Not privy to any information but that's how estates are settled. Not certain the kids have any control or little control at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 5:16 PM To: Mark J Bradakis ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection Kids are cleaning house... Would love to lay my hands on the TRS cars... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot > wrote: > > Some interesting stuff here. > > http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 10 20:58:11 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:58:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection In-Reply-To: <20190711023546.03A6CA18CF@autox.team.net> References: <15694a9d-9c95-32f9-7e0c-7d340b988efb@bradakis.com> <2C39ED1D-DB1C-422A-8CC8-F9BEA3CE0C98@gmail.com> <1E95A465278D45518EE58A8A36DA4DAB@VlackTK121647> <20190711023546.03A6CA18CF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <790177a6-e71f-2441-ee56-f3b2f17a05ea@bradakis.com> On 7/10/19 8:35 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > BTW, the Coventry Inn is up for sale too. > Back when Charles first acquired the place I thought my ideal job would have been to be the brewmaster at the Inn.? I could have made some good beer, helped with the food, kept the company computers running, and filled in with Triumph related stuff if needed.? A chance to showcase all my talents! mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jul 10 22:48:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection References: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053@mail.yahoo.com> Tim Murphy has a gorgeous TR5, and has figured out how to keep it?running correctly. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Wednesday, July 10, 2019,?robert bownes via Fot??wrote: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jul 10 22:48:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charles Runyon collection References: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2024138040.203271.1562820536053@mail.yahoo.com> Tim Murphy has a gorgeous TR5, and has figured out how to keep it?running correctly. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Wednesday, July 10, 2019,?robert bownes via Fot??wrote: That would be one of my choices too. While I'd like a TR5 with PI, I have heard what Kas has said about it. Once. That was enough to dissuade me from ever even thinking about it! I remember when Charles brought it to Texas for VTR in 1988. They had to stop every hour or so to change the ice pack on the fuel pump. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Yes, the prices do seem "optimistic" to me. My guess is the TRS cars will be purchased as a lot and sent back to Europe.? Personally I'd like the One Lap TR250. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 18:57:42 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking Message-ID: Hello FOT, Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jul 13 19:15:43 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:15:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 19:17:43 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: > Jason; > What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, > although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More > than that could be causing you some of this problem. > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hello FOT, > > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the > braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that > I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel > flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into > the intake... > > > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes > completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears > out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or > starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the > jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has > somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them > a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > > > Jason Sukey > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jul 13 19:28:59 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:28:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. > > Thanks, > Jason > >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 19:37:05 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:37:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during > the entire run. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: > >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, >> although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More >> than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted >> the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now >> that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be >> fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet >> into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes >> completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears >> out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or >> starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the >> jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has >> somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them >> a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 13 20:54:35 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 02:54:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com>, Message-ID: Jason, it?s been a while since I laid eyes on a GT6 engine, so forgive me. Are both float chambers on the same side of the carbs? Or is the rear one to the outside rear of the carb and the front one to the outside pointing to the front of the car? Or vice versa? Sounds like under braking the carb with the fuel channel to the jet that pointing to the front of the car is getting a higher fuel level and thus flooding that carb. Is it possible to rotate that float bowl to the other side? Terry Stetler. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jason Sukey via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 9:37:05 PM To: Greg Blake Cc: FOT list Subject: Re: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake > wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott > wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jul 13 21:09:16 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 22:09:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the > pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is > nearest the radiator. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake > wrote: > > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot > > wrote: > >> Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent >> during the entire run. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott > > wrote: >> >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 >> to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no >> apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some >> of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? >> I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since >> the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, >> I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible >> sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the >> intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the >> engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After >> a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other >> conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. >> Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the >> top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from >> there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still >> significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, >> but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sat Jul 13 21:20:26 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 20:20:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1C4DC737-8C98-4FD8-A4EF-53C081E9FE54@artwithcars.com> Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom ~Steve > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. > > Regards, Tony > >> On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: >>> What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >>>> Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jason >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >>>>> Jason; >>>>> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >>>>> Phil Gott >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hello FOT, >>>>> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >>>>> > >>>>> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >>>>> > >>>>> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >>>>> > >>>>> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >>>>> > >>>>> > Jason Sukey >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > fot at autox.team.net >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> > >>>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 13 22:49:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 04:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing?gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. ?At the end of a session your ?new??floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. ?Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom?aluminum ones that worked perfect.? We got through the season. ??And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 13, 2019,?Steven Belfer via Fot??wrote: Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom? ~Steve On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? ? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant.? Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs?? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 13 22:49:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 04:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing?gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. ?At the end of a session your ?new??floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. ?Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom?aluminum ones that worked perfect.? We got through the season. ??And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 13, 2019,?Steven Belfer via Fot??wrote: Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom? ~Steve On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4).? You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws.? The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops.? As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back.? ?On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? ? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Phil, I'm running 2 psi.? My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Hello FOT, >? ? ? Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend.? I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out.? Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel.? After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet.? By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant.? Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs?? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Jul 14 06:06:14 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <543924610.1580026.1563079796724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <543924610.1580026.1563079796724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51265945-E4C6-49A3-A040-AFACD39C6A94@icloud.com> Ok this is a long shot but. I was have a similar issue in the TR3 recently and it turned out I had a combination of issues that led to a very over rich condition. I use the Holley chrome fuel pressure regulator and I have a fuel isolator in the engine bay with a fuel pressure gauge in the dash. One weekend, the rubber diaphragm in the regulator started leaking and I did not have a replacement. I borrowed one from a buddy who?s car was on the trailer. Turns out, his regulator had the high pressure spring that can?t regulate fuel bellow about 5 psi. As luck would have it, I also had a bubble in my gauge isolator line. The bubble was causing a false low pressure reading so I kept cranking it up at the regulator. This was a frustrating process as the car starting progressively bogging down after hard braking and hard cornering, which is where I do about 90% of my passing. It?s embarrassing to admit now, but this took me two race weekends to figure out. Finally I decided to take apart the gauge isolation system and start over. Once back together, the true pressure reading indicated 8 psi. Next I took apart the borrowed regulator to rebuild it with the kit and I discovered the high pressure spring. Rebuilt with the appropriate spring and all is right. Like I said, long shot, but it?s worth sharing in case it helps you think through some related change you might have made recently. It?s amazing how simple the fix typically turns out. Good luck. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 11:49 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing gas was causing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. At the end of a session your ?new? floats could be full of gas. Old floats were sought after. Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle?s crew made us some custom aluminum ones that worked perfect. We got through the season. And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Saturday, July 13, 2019, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom > > ~Steve > > >> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > > > We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. > > Regards, Tony > >> On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. > > Thanks, > Jason > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake wrote: > What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > >> Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> Jason; >> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hello FOT, >> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... >> > >> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. >> > >> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. >> > >> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? >> > >> > Jason Sukey >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jul 14 09:10:39 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:10:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: <523AF9E3-FE0B-4778-B875-6D1C1F0D400B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1663702894.225555956.1563117039204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Jason, I once had a similar problem. I swore it was flooding, but in the end it was a loose coupling of the fuel line onto the tank : at every braking zone, the line was forced forward and thus air was sucked in the line and into the fuel pump. Every time,it took a few seconds for the pump to make pressure again. Another possibility : the fuel line can be crushed somewhere i.e. by the engine when it is moving forward under braking. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "Jason Sukey" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 14 juli 2019 05:09:16 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation though, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull. Regards, Tony On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake < [ mailto:gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run. Thanks, Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott < [ mailto:vfracing at aol.com | vfracing at aol.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Jason; What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that could be causing you some of this problem. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: > > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > > [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] > > Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] > Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] > Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com ] > > BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 15:30:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America Message-ID: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Anyone going to be there? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jsukey at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 16:56:52 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:56:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU HS6 problems during hard braking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the advice on my carburetor issues. I checked all the vent tubes for blockage and needle valves for sticking, all is well there. Today i tried rotating the rear float lid 120 degrees. This fixed the flooding during hard braking 100%.... Now it floods out turning left. I'm fairly certain that i can fix it all once i swap the rear float cover to one that has the ideal orientation (to match what i currently have on the front). Front carb has the pivot swing front to rear with the pivot pin at the front of the car. Jason On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 8:57 PM Jason Sukey wrote: > Hello FOT, > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted the > braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that > I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel > flooding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into > the intake... > > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes > completely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears > out and runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or > starving for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling. > > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the > jet. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has > somewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them > a little further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid. > > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? > > Jason Sukey > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 15 11:05:51 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:05:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins Message-ID: The great local hardware store that I've always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They're awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I'll shy away from stainless as it's usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 11:34:48 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78DF5EC5-4785-49EE-BBD9-E64DFCB79B58@gmail.com> Are you saying that big box of cotter pins I bought at Harbor Freight for 5 bucks aren?t of the highest quality?? I did discover that quickly with their grease fittings... I go to a local SoCal industrial hardware store called McFadden-Dale. They don?t carry any of the cheap stuff and grade the rest. You know exactly what you are purchasing... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They?re awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 20:06:23 2019 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:06:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire electric fuel pump Message-ID: Tired of playing with the mechanical fuel pump. Looking to put in an electric pump. Street Spit, Stromberg CD150. What is the recommended pump? Thanks, Doug Mitchell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dulon50 at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 20:22:33 2019 From: dulon50 at gmail.com (Leonard Root) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aircraft Spruce,, Aviation grade hardware My 2 cents On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 12:07 Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware from > seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They?re > awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. > > > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will > be any better? > > > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and > stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy > away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at > all about monel. > > > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dulon50 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 16 04:26:08 2019 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 06:26:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Over the years I've bought all my AN hardware from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, including cotter pins. They are located in Atlanta. They ship out real fast. Bob Davis On 7/15/19 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware > from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality.? > They?re awfully brittle.? Weak.? Ineffectual. > > I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs > will be any better? > > Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and > stainless.? Any recommendations about what is most appropriate?? I?ll > shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft.? And I know > nothing at all about monel. > > Scott (B.) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 05:05:33 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 07:05:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65C49A90-453D-4D4A-9A82-920EDCCD78AC@gmail.com> Or Wicks aircraft. http://www.wicksaircraft.com/index.html Duncan > On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:26 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > > Over the years I've bought all my AN hardware from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, including cotter pins. They are located in Atlanta. They ship out real fast. > > Bob Davis > > On 7/15/19 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: >> The great local hardware store that I?ve always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They?re awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. >> >> I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? >> >> Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I?ll shy away from stainless as it?s usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. >> >> Scott (B.) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jul 16 08:34:05 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:34:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] cotter pins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good ideas, all. Thanks! From: Fot On Behalf Of Bob Davis via Fot Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:26 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] cotter pins Over the years I've bought all my AN hardware from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, including cotter pins. They are located in Atlanta. They ship out real fast. Bob Davis On 7/15/19 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: The great local hardware store that I've always bought my hardware from seems to be selling cotter pins that are of pretty poor quality. They're awfully brittle. Weak. Ineffectual. I can run over to our local Fastenal, but what are the chances theirs will be any better? Fastenal sells cotter pins in steel, zinc coated steel, monel, and stainless. Any recommendations about what is most appropriate? I'll shy away from stainless as it's usually a little soft. And I know nothing at all about monel. Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:13:59 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ford Type 9 lost third gear Message-ID: Hi again FOT- My GT6 is running the Ford type 9 5 speed setup. In my Sunday race session, it "lost" third gear as I was making a 4th to 3rd downshift. The lever won't move forward into 3rd, feels like a hard stop. No grinding or any unusual noises. As it sits now, all other gears work normally. Thinking back, there were a few times the previous race weekend where I had difficulty selecting third, I had just chalked it up to driver error, maybe that was the beginning of it? I checked the gear oil prior to this weekend, it was full and didn't need any added. Anyone out there racing with this setup have any suggestions where to start when I tear it down? Thanks, Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jameselbe at aol.com Tue Jul 16 12:27:48 2019 From: jameselbe at aol.com (jameselbe at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] ATTENTION BOB BRWNES References: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088@mail.yahoo.com> Did you find a TR6 Manifolds. If not I have one. Sorry it took so long.???????????????????????????????????????????? Jim Elbe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jul 16 14:23:05 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 20:23:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire gear ratios Message-ID: To those of you who race Spitfires at Watkins Glen and Mid-Ohio, which differential ratios would be better for each of those tracks, 4.10 or 3.89? Thanks, Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Tue Jul 16 14:51:30 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ATTENTION BOB BRWNES In-Reply-To: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088@mail.yahoo.com> References: <196923389.2834973.1563301668088.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <196923389.2834973.1563301668088@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for asking. I did indeed sit down to measure the intake spacing on the engine I have out of the car. Much to my surprise I also discovered that I have both wide and narrow spacing intake manifolds on the shelf! I didn't think I had any. Looks like I don't have any exhaust manifolds, but those are all the same according to the folks here. So now I have no real excuse not to get that project done. Unless someone here has a nice rotoflex Formula Ford rear end I can use to distract me. ;) Thanks, Bob For those who are curious, I bought a FF chassis many years ago with an eye to turning it into a TR powered race car. OF late, I have been doing a bit of research into it, and it appears to be on of a very small number of Nike formula fords. There were about 10 MK4's, one MK5, a whole bunch of MK 6's, and two or three MK10's. There wer a few other one offs, including a FV. It's not a MK4 or 6, I don't think it is the MK5 (F5000 monster) Possibly even the sole surviving example of On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:28 PM jameselbe--- via Fot wrote: > Did you find a TR6 Manifolds. If not I have one. Sorry it took so long. > Jim Elbe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Tue Jul 16 16:08:37 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New TR6 Vertical Links Message-ID: <4B70C0D0-E896-4C65-95EA-77F67BA23245@att.net> FOT, Good afternoon. We have a brand new set of TR6 Vertical Links that we ordered, prepped and painted black. They were delivered to us May 30th, 2019. They are brand new, fresh and have never been on a car. They were masked and painted carefully, so none of the places that should not have painted got painted. It turns out that they were ordered in error an we do not need them. They are part numbers Vertical Link LH 307216 Vertical Link RH 307215 Moss sells them for $249 a piece, plus their absurdly expensive and very slow S&H. That would be $498 + Shipping. The would come to you unpainted. We would like to offer them to FOT, before putting then on EBAY. We will offer them to FOT listers for $375 for the pair and we will include US Postal Service flat rate shipping on them. Included shipping will be for within the continental US. Please send me an email or call me at 813-716-1931 if you would like to purchase them. Thanks, Paul Ricco From pethier7 at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 16:41:55 2019 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America In-Reply-To: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> References: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Message-ID: Went to RA for the June Sprints. Shot a few pix. https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/albums/72157709194400312 Won't be able to get there for the Redman On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Anyone going to be there? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 16:48:18 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brian Redman International Challenge. Road America In-Reply-To: References: <068192DF-24B5-4370-AB45-3AAE98935F34@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54BE0790-1F78-4363-A5A3-D8D3FDD37061@gmail.com> Thanks for sharing. Great pictures. Love the Miatas....and Scott Barr. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jul 17, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Philip Ethier wrote: > > Went to RA for the June Sprints. Shot a few pix. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/albums/72157709194400312 > > Won't be able to get there for the Redman > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Anyone going to be there? >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net >> >> > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That would be $498 + Shipping. The would come to you unpainted. > > We would like to offer them to FOT, before putting then on EBAY. > > We will offer them to FOT listers for $375 for the pair and we will include US Postal Service flat rate shipping on them. Included shipping will be for within the continental US. > > Please send me an email or call me at 813-716-1931 if you would like to purchase them. > > Thanks, > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jul 18 09:51:48 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:51:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need a chassis moved from St. Louis to NY. Message-ID: Anyone driving east with an empty trailer? So I'm getting rid of projects. Really. Now that I've discovered the Formula Ford I have is one of 10 ever built, I'm less inclined to hack it up, put the rover V8 in it and call if a Formula 5000. So I'm selling it off. Let someone else take on creating unique bodywork from scratch...I'll start with something I feel less guilty about destroying. Maybe. :) But in doing the research, I got sucked into the evil world of pre-1970 formula cars. And I found a great project, albeit without a lot of Triumph content, but lots of local flavor as it was built in New England and first races at Lime Rock 50 years ago next year. Anyway, long story short, If I can find a way to get Caldwell FSV chassis #1 transported eastward from St. Louis, I'll have a project for the winter to get it on the track for the 50th reunion of FSV next year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It could be yours for the cost of shipping. Smilie face, Dave 831-234-4928 > On July 20, 2019 at 7:52 AM Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > > AMICI - does anyone have a left side door capping piece to sell? > Thanks > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 09:38:01 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:38:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Message-ID: Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? Curious minds want to know. mike h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Sat Jul 20 10:11:47 2019 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-4 Tonneau cover Message-ID: I have a brand new black vinyl TR-4 Tonneau cover from Moss. I used it as a pattern to build a custom tonneau cover for my race car. It is in the box in perfect condition and I am happy to sell it for $150 or half Moss's price. Call or email Alan Berry at 858 442-9098 or alanb at alanberrydesign.com . Thanks! Alan (#41, Irv Korey's old car) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sat Jul 20 10:12:50 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:12:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Mike, Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. Paul Ricco > On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > > How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > Curious minds want to know. > > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 10:47:14 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately none for the Spitfire despite its illustrious SCCA career. I was able to document 45 races and 20 wins 1970-76 through a lot of hard research. I have the SCCA logbook for the TR4 that documents its entire road racing career 1974-79. I connected with the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association historian and he was able to provide me the complete hillclimbing career prior to SCCA racing 1971-73. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > > How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > Curious minds want to know. > > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 10:48:45 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From cmstenquist at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 11:01:00 2019 From: cmstenquist at gmail.com (carl stenquist) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from > SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when > SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook > that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even > though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who > handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing > them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know > about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > > > Paul Ricco > > > > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at > Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 > SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never > a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while > the car was in it's prime. > >> > >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the > original one? > >> Curious minds want to know. > >> > >> mike h > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These cars keep finding new ways to break. mike h On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:05 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > I?ve just found out that I had raced the last two events with dead dampers > on the front end. > > Well, I?ve noticed the jumping on the front but thought, maybe this is TR8 > specific. > > > > Now I know better after I had hands on new shocks. > > > > Next race is at Dijon?..there I see what is the difference to new shocks. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 12:52:39 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> Message-ID: <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mike,My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. ?Every ?logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ??update the picture!!? ?I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen.? I believe they have all of the SCCA archives.? ?607-535-9044Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4.? It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book.? > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA.? We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks.? You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them.? SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more.? > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jul 20 14:15:38 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Girling caliper seals TR/GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Jason: The brakes on a GT6 are asked to do a lot. The car weighs about as much as a TR4, but it?s nose heavy and you run 13? wheels, compared to the 15s on a TR. Smaller discs, less size to absorb heat and less ventilation. That said, I?ve only had a seal fail once - summer race weekend, put the car on the trailer hot, and found brake fluid on the trailer floor when I got home. Calipers had not been rebuilt for a while. Since then, I try to repack wheel bearings and pop the pistons out of the calipers about every two weekends. When the seals have gotten a little crispy on the outside edge, I replace them. I just get the Moss rebuild kits, though Dave Bean Lotus on the west coast has something special that costs more. Not sure it?s worth it. I don?t bother with dust seals as they just melt. I?ve rebuilt the same calipers over and over, use stainless steel pistons which I polish occasionally when they get scuffed. I never break the calipers apart. Bore condition really only has an effect on the piston wear, as the seal does not move in the bore. White Post tells me they do not re-sleeve caliper bores. You might try brake ducting to bring the temp down a bit. Motul 600 is good, but I boiled it once on an enduro pit stop, and now use the ridiculously expensive Castrol Gold stuff. See you at the races! On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: After two race weekends I have a leaky Girling 16pb caliper- Before the season, i rebuilt them with new pistons and seals, paying attention to carefully clean everything including the seal groves before assembly. The seal kit i used was branded TRW, Pistons are nitrided steel. Motul RBF600 fluid. Could just be a fluke..... Is there a particular brand of seals that hold up better to racing use? What sort of service life are others getting in-between rebuilds? Jason _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 20 15:24:19 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:24:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> Keep the old picture! The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. Bob > On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Mike, > My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: > > Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 > Carl Stenquist > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > > > Paul Ricco > > > > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > >> > >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. > >> > >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? > >> Curious minds want to know. > >> > >> mike h > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jul 20 16:51:08 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:51:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Girling caliper seals TR/GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78C05B16-F2C1-4B8E-814B-49BFC85BAC04@aol.com> Jason: I am on my third season (about 15 races) using seals from Roadster Factory and Girling LMA fluid. No problems. I do the Kastner trick of squaring up the pads every 2 races to make sure the forces on the pistons are reasonably parallel to the bore of the caliper. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > After two race weekends I have a leaky Girling 16pb caliper- Before the season, i rebuilt them with new pistons and seals, paying attention to carefully clean everything including the seal groves before assembly. The seal kit i used was branded TRW, Pistons are nitrided steel. Motul RBF600 fluid. > Could just be a fluke..... > Is there a particular brand of seals that hold up better to racing use? > > What sort of service life are others getting in-between rebuilds? > > Jason > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 17:08:57 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:08:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> Message-ID: <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> Fun story... I spent untold hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they weren?t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it. Thankfully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car. Fun part is, I didn?t check the old reg until questioned. Measured the dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thinnest of margins...sometimes better to be lucky than good... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > > Keep the old picture! > > The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. > > I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. > > Bob > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: >> >> Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 >> Carl Stenquist >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Mike, >> > >> > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. >> > >> > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. >> > >> > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. >> > >> > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. >> > >> > Paul Ricco >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> >> >> mike h >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage >> : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He said to use a drill press to do it. I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like that scrapped. Cheers, Bill On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jul 21 04:45:33 2019 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 05:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car In-Reply-To: <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> References: <1F60B988-7FA8-4EB2-B68D-6D68CD942BFC@att.net> <272562810.2533634.1563648759475@mail.yahoo.com> <26654BBC-4E0E-4E5D-8365-E9A5D67A9A8C@seiri.com> <01BD8691-241F-4CD4-A576-2CC3685C244E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19E4AAAF54F44E4EB0830059DCFB9E1C@Rocky> At the 2011 Runoffs in the post-race tech line, the scrute pulled a plumb bob out of his pocket and suggested my air dam was wider than the bodywork of my Spitfire. He was looking at the fiberglass hood. Pointed out to him it could not be any further in as it was directly attached to the front valance which, after some 47 years of life, did not precisely line up with the hood, but it was original bodywork ? hidden behind the dam but required to be on the car -- while the hood wasn?t OEM. (I?d add the scrute was a friend who was yanking my chain as much as anything. ) --Rocky Entriken From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:08 PM To: Bob Bownes -Seiri Cc: FoTTriumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Fun story... I spent untold hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they weren?t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it. Thankfully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car. Fun part is, I didn?t check the old reg until questioned. Measured the dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thinnest of margins...sometimes better to be lucky than good... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: Keep the old picture! The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flares. I pulled out the logbook, with it?s Kodak provided date in the border picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on. Bob On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot wrote: Hi Mike, My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from ?72, and it was a race car starting around ?65, which corroborates the other suggestions about start date with the log books. Every logbook entry through the 80?s complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car?s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... ?update the picture!!? I?m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot wrote: Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen. I believe they have all of the SCCA archives. 607-535-9044 Carl Stenquist On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > Mike, > > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock. > > We have a 1962 TR4. It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. > > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCCA. We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook. > > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when SCCA actually started issuing logbooks. You may find that the 1971 logbook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even though it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them. SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that or where to direct you to learn more. > > Paul Ricco > > >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. >> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? >> Curious minds want to know. >> >> mike h >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wrote the CRB suggesting that only the latest logbook back to the most recent Annual Tech need be shown, and that carrying around a document dating back to the ?70s was unnecessarily damaging to it. --Rocky Entriken From: Mike Harmuth via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:38 AM To: FoTTriumph Subject: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the car was in it's prime. How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have the original one? 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Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:35 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject) Hi All, I use the same setup as Phil, with good results. Squaring the pads is in one of Kas' books. Its making the pad surface flat. He said to use a drill press to do it. I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like that scrapped. Cheers, Bill On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. 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URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 08:33:45 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! -Marhieu _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 08:53:41 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:53:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Message-ID: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jul 21 09:10:07 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:10:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Back about 20 years or so I was impressed with Keizer Wheels. They made some very lightweight, like 7 pounds, three piece modular wheels.? The weight difference between a 6" wheel and an 8" wheel was only a couple of ounces. The center sections were made to fit the 4 on 3.75" pattern, and the center hole was an exact 55mm to make the wheels hubcentric on a Spitfire.? At least I think that was the dimension, it has been a LONG time.? I was working on becoming a local distributor, I recall Karen coming home one evening to find a big stack of 3 sets of 13 and 15 wheels cluttering the back porch. They are still in business, https://keizerwheels.com I have no idea of current pricing and product availability, but you may want to take a look at what they have. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ALPIN005.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 63040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 09:22:46 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> Did you try VTO? Spitfire (66-78) | | | | Spitfire (66-78) Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... | | | They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". Regards,Bob Lang On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jul 21 09:28:59 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:28:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009301d53fd9$059917f0$10cb47d0$@rogers.com> https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jul 21 09:37:46 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 09:47:18 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: Also here? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels Hey friends, I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. Jon Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:51:42 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:51:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> I think the trick with what?s available now is offsets. My period magnesium Minilites have a significant difference in front and rear offset. I am running a 3/8? spacer on the rear as well. I?m no expert but the guy that built my car was. I?m sure all the choices made were making the car faster... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Did you try VTO? > > Spitfire (66-78) > > Spitfire (66-78) > Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... > > > They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:53:02 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <1575560351.2667558.1563722566141@mail.yahoo.com> <33865B53-9FAD-4C2C-9008-0DEEE21678F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AAFAA55-0589-4C4D-983A-297BB5B09285@gmail.com> 9.5? wide...you could run some F1 tires on those! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > I think the trick with what?s available now is offsets. > > My period magnesium Minilites have a significant difference in front and rear offset. I am running a 3/8? spacer on the rear as well. > > I?m no expert but the guy that built my car was. I?m sure all the choices made were making the car faster... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> Did you try VTO? >> >> Spitfire (66-78) >> >> Spitfire (66-78) >> Spitfire (66-78) - DON'T SEE THE STYLE OR SIZE YOU WANT? CALL US! WE HAVE MANY WHEELS WE CAN DRILL JUST FOR YOUR... >> >> >> They are pretty good wheels and "period correct". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 10:54:05 AM EDT, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Hey friends, >> I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 10:54:44 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> Genuine Minilites as well... https://www.minilitewheels.us/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: > > > https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM > To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net) > Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot > Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels > > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jul 21 11:10:08 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> <009401d53fda$3f5ede60$be1c9b20$@rogers.com> <103623975.2664768.1563724038595@mail.yahoo.com> <95CB6182-27B3-442A-A621-7928A5774B40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B90D1C0-1EFC-48E4-BF25-4901A89CAF5D@att.net> Jon and Brad, Revolution and Minilite are actually part of the same company. Through the business that we own, we just brought a set of Minilites from the UK to the US on a direct deal. The old US distributer is having some issues. You may find response times to be very slow, like a month between emails. There is back story to that, and I will refrain from boring everyone with it. We had an excellent experience dealing with Minilite in the UK. They where very responsive and the wheels arrived the same week that we ordered them. I actually ordered bushing from Moss that where in stock and Minilites from England on the same day. The Minilite delivery got here 4 days before the Moss order. If anyone on FOT wants to see the current Minilite wheel, we will have a new set with us at Watkins Glen in September. We will also have a copy of their current catalog offering with us. They are offering a wide range of Offsets in most sizes. They also know the Triumph car line very well. If anyone needs or wants help ordering them, we committed to Minilite that we would be willing to help others in the US. We have had a very good experience so far. Paul Ricco (813) 716-1931 paulricco at meridiandealerservices.com > On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Genuine Minilites as well... > > https://www.minilitewheels.us/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, David Gott via Fot > wrote: > >> You can still get Revolution wheels, and the exchange rate is favorable; and can produce custom offsets: >> >> >> https://revolutionwheels.com/shop/ >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:37 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot > wrote: >> >> Also here https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.X4X95.25.TRS0&_nkw=4X95.25&_sacat=6000&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=6000&_odkw=4X3.375%22 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com ] >> Sent: July 21, 2019 11:29 AM >> To: 'Jonathan Wright'; Fot (fot at autox.team.net ) >> Subject: RE: [Fot] Racing wheels >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/192928209586 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wright via Fot >> Sent: July 21, 2019 10:54 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels >> >> Hey friends, >> I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located in Tehachapi CA. >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 11:29:36 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head?is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop.The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. SOHere's where the help comes in.Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes!Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. If its not one thing, its anotherNick in Nor Cal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 11:40:22 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:40:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing wheels In-Reply-To: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> References: <0615C87D-029F-40F7-A2E6-C1D12F77A01D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try these guys. I've been using their wheels for years on the spit race car and my street Triumphs. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Spitfire-and-GT6-Minilight-Alloy-wheels-Rims-SILVER/311043263431?epid=682869525&hash=item486b9f8bc7:g:ViQAAOSwEzxYU8vW The parent company has a larger assortment of styles and widths, http://www.johnbrownwheels.com/ NFI mike h On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > Hey friends, > I?d really like to find a second set of wheels for my spitfire racecar, > but I?m quickly learning how difficult that is. Does anybody have a useable > set of lightweight 13? wheels they would be willing to part with? Located > in Tehachapi CA. > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 13:03:03 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help In-Reply-To: <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> I think there?s probably some ?snake-b-gone? type product at your friendly local builder supply store. I saw some sort of product at Lowe?s a few days ago. or catch a mouse, tie a string on its leg and use it as bait. When the snake is fat and slow with freshly swallowed mouse, you yank the string and pull it outside. Drop it off two miles away (cut off the rest of the string if you don?t want it to die). Duncan > On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head > is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). > > I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop. > The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. > > SO > Here's where the help comes in. > Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes! > Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. > > If its not one thing, its another > Nick in Nor Cal > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jul 21 13:27:19 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:27:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at ponostyle.com Sun Jul 21 14:18:20 2019 From: bill at ponostyle.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:18:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Snakes....Help In-Reply-To: <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> References: <490510472.458778.1563730176204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <490510472.458778.1563730176204@mail.yahoo.com> <38F59044-F63B-49C8-9C95-913382474B4C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F5B9D0B-F278-4304-BE6C-E42DDAF1B7E7@ponostyle.com> The only poisonous snake in Norther California is rattlesnakes, and you?d know if you spooked one of those?they?d rattle. Lots of non-poisonous and therefore harmless alternatives. There are snake repellents, but they?re meant to repel snakes in a yard by broadcasting it on the grass. Not sure why anyone would want to do that, but I guess some people really don?t like snakes. In general they don?t like ultrasonics, so if you get one of those ultrasonic mouse chaser things it will probably chase the snake out. Or you could just assume they?ll leave when they find there?s not much to eat in your garage (unless there?s lots of mice, in which case you?d probably like them to stay and eliminate that population. Unless you?ve hermetically sealed your garage they can get out, and of course they can get in, so having seen one is functionally identical to NOT having seen one. > On Jul 21, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > > I think there?s probably some ?snake-b-gone? type product at your friendly local builder supply store. I saw some sort of product at Lowe?s a few days ago. > > or > > catch a mouse, tie a string on its leg and use it as bait. When the snake is fat and slow with freshly swallowed mouse, you yank the string and pull it outside. Drop it off two miles away (cut off the rest of the string if you don?t want it to die). > > Duncan > >> On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: >> >> So I'ml layin under an Elan, just feelin good that I got the snap ring off of the clutch slave cylinder so I can pry it out of the loop on the trans holding it in. As I roll out from under the car, I do a double take on about a two foot snake lookin at me! The snake's head >> is about 4? off the ground, which is what I deemed ?not a good thing?. The sun is in my eyes and I cannot tell what kind of a snake it is (as if I could). >> >> I recall that snakes do not hear, but can feel vibrations, I stomp on the ground between the snake and I. He chases me into the shop. >> The snake heads under the race car and disappears. He's not on the floor. I pop the hood, but no snake there either. >> >> SO >> Here's where the help comes in. >> Besides a mongoose (as they're a bit thin on the ground around here, unlike nasty snakes), what can I do the chase the darn thing out of the shop? He's doin a good job of hiding and I just have visions of opening the shop door to a pile of newborn snakes! >> Humerous responses appreciated, BUT I really am lookin for some way the revert to my ?snake free? shop. >> >> If its not one thing, its another >> Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 18:16:51 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:16:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's how we square the tires on good old Merican iron. [image: Grinding the tires.JPG] On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:29 AM marty via Fot wrote: > Huh, finally found something I can use my surface grinder for. ? > Probably don't want to breath that stuff though. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Bill Tobin via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:35 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] (no subject) > > > Hi All, I use the same setup as Phil, with good results. > > Squaring the pads is in one of Kas' books. Its making the pad surface > flat. He said to use a drill press to do it. > > I'm spoiled, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck; chuck the pad > in place, run the grinding wheel down until it touches , and run the pad > back and forth under the wheel until flat and square. > > Nice to have equipment! Anyone need an engine lathe? I just saved one from > the scrapper. I'll clean it up and sell it. I hate to see equipment like > that scrapped. > > Cheers, Bill > On 7/20/2019 7:38 PM, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot wrote: > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Grinding the tires.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2670548 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jul 21 22:10:50 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> Message-ID: <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. Beware, Dave H. > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > > > -Marhieu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 05:41:45 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup References: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just set up another TR6 differential using a brand new gear set that I've had on the shelf "for a while". I used the same method that I've always used and it seems to be correct. That said, I got to thinking that I had read on this list some time in the past that the setup for "oerlikon gears" was somehow different than what the TR6 factory manual indicates. So, I searched the archives for a while and found nothing (so far). I'll keep searching, but in the meantime - as long as I have the bearing preload, the pinion head height and pattern on the ring and the carrier clearances all set (including backlash), I'm all set. Right? I haven't lost any sleep over this, so I think I'm okay, but I am looking for any feedback that I can get. I'm also looking for suggestions regarding break-in. Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 22 06:36:23 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:36:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> References: <407613785.2874744.1563795705179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <407613785.2874744.1563795705179@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01d5408a$133395f0$399ac1d0$@gmail.com> Hi Bob, I said this in the past. To set the mesh pattern right, you need to do the opposite of what the manual suggests. If you follow the manual then you will end up that the pinion will hit the carrier. Preload and stuff like that is the same as in the manual. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Robert Lang via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juli 2019 13:42 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Differential Setup Hi, I just set up another TR6 differential using a brand new gear set that I've had on the shelf "for a while". I used the same method that I've always used and it seems to be correct. That said, I got to thinking that I had read on this list some time in the past that the setup for "oerlikon gears" was somehow different than what the TR6 factory manual indicates. So, I searched the archives for a while and found nothing (so far). I'll keep searching, but in the meantime - as long as I have the bearing preload, the pinion head height and pattern on the ring and the carrier clearances all set (including backlash), I'm all set. Right? I haven't lost any sleep over this, so I think I'm okay, but I am looking for any feedback that I can get. I'm also looking for suggestions regarding break-in. Regards, Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 06:53:51 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too tight against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get things to free up and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, by extension, you need to set bearing preload, then pinion depth via shims on the gear side of the carrier and then backlash via the shims on the smooth side. That's what I did and that's what worked. The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup (and an Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that setup for over 10 years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to scavenge the Quaife, the gears were perfect, so I musta done something right! But for the life of me I could not remember how I got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in miles.. As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better tool setup. I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up having to cut off two carrier bearings to get the shims installed. Thanks for the input! Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 08:05:08 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:05:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, Have a look at this post. I think it covers the topic very well. I have used OEM stuff so far and haven't run across this yet. https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145363 Bob Kramer On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too tight > against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get things to free up > and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, by extension, you need to > set bearing preload, then pinion depth via shims on the gear side of the > carrier and then backlash via the shims on the smooth side. That's what I > did and that's what worked. > > The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup (and an > Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that setup for over 10 > years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to scavenge the Quaife, the > gears were perfect, so I musta done something right! But for the life of me > I could not remember how I got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. > > Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in miles.. > > As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better tool setup. > I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up having to cut off two > carrier bearings to get the shims installed. > > Thanks for the input! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from the wilds of NorCal From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jul 22 13:59:43 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:59:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1402767a-a91e-1a49-d01b-2dbcd884f53c@verizon.net> Tractor Supple may have the snake b gone stuff. Bill On 7/22/2019 3:23 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well the shop is now much cleaner. Having used compressed air all over the place tryin to get it to leave. > Cats are not an option...the shop dog would lose his mind! > Compressed air and loud music all nite hasn???t produced any results either. > Need to find the ???snake-b-gone??? but my local store knows nothing... > > At least it???s not scorpions...I managed to convince them that the shop was ???off limits???. > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 15:25:31 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:25:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9942BB79-EF06-4A25-9D32-2EDCA15E511B@gmail.com> I?ve caught snakes accidentally when they got caught in bird netting I?d hung in the rafters to discourage birds from nesting overhead in my carport. Gotta find them before they liquify, though. Nothing like the smell of a 2-week dead rat snake. Duncan > On Jul 22, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Well the shop is now much cleaner. Having used compressed air all over the place tryin to get it to leave. > Cats are not an option...the shop dog would lose his mind! > Compressed air and loud music all nite hasn?t produced any results either. > Need to find the ?snake-b-gone? but my local store knows nothing... > > At least it?s not scorpions...I managed to convince them that the shop was ?off limits?. > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 18:42:20 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:42:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quartermaster friction disc part number Message-ID: I am looking for the part number for a 7.25 dia. Quartermaster friction disc with a 1" x10 hub. (GT6 hub). I have one and used to have the part number but am coming up dry finding it on line or my records. Anybody? Currently not showing up in the Quartermaster on line catalog either that I can see. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 22 21:52:45 2019 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:52:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: In case TSC doesn?t have it https://www.amazon.com/Ortho-Snake-Repellent-Granules-2-Pound/dp/B009QAPKL4 -Randall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Tue Jul 23 00:30:17 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:30:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snakes.... In-Reply-To: <20190723035307.F098CA0808@autox.team.net> References: <444E9BF1-0469-4309-9830-73C55F423C74@yahoo.com> <20190723035307.F098CA0808@autox.team.net> Message-ID: And the obligatory: I thought snakes only came in bundles with big block V8's.... On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM Randall via Fot wrote: > In case TSC doesn?t have it > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Ortho-Snake-Repellent-Granules-2-Pound/dp/B009QAPKL4 > > > > -Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Watkins Glenn KOA Cabin available From: Russ Kolesar Date: 7/24/19, 5:23 AM We are unable to go to Watkins Glenn for the Vintage Festival Before I just cancel the reservation , I wanted to offer our reservation Deluxe Cabin sleeps 5 TV Bath and kitchenette Check in Wednesday 9/4 and check out Sunday 9/8 *Watkins Glen / Corning KOA* 1710 State Route 414 (GPS address 1710 KOA Dr) PO Box 228 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 Let me know if anyone is interested, we can work out the details Russ Kolesar From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jul 24 11:57:01 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Email, Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <06496c01-d3f3-667b-ae08-6d22ccd3678f@bradakis.com> References: <06496c01-d3f3-667b-ae08-6d22ccd3678f@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7dc80f98-9fa0-6f50-2c5f-f068460c1ed9@verizon.net> I don't need this, but will say that they are quite nice. A bunch of us stayed there a couple years ago for the Corning Wineglass Marathon. We used the pool and hot tub afterward. Also just down the road from the track. Cheers, Bill On 7/24/2019 8:33 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > To send a message to fot at autox.team.net you send a message to > fot at autox.team.net. > > > Subject: > Watkins Glenn KOA Cabin available > From: > Russ Kolesar > Date: > 7/24/19, 5:23 AM > > We are unable to go to Watkins Glenn for the Vintage Festival > > Before I just cancel the reservation , I wanted to offer our reservation > > Deluxe Cabin sleeps 5 TV Bath and kitchenette > > Check in Wednesday 9/4 and check out Sunday 9/8 > > *Watkins Glen / Corning KOA* > 1710 State Route 414 (GPS address 1710 KOA Dr) > PO Box 228 > Watkins Glen, NY 14891 > > Let me know if anyone is interested, we can work out the details > > Russ Kolesar > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jul 24 15:41:55 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, wrote: > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > #317 TR4 BRG > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen > Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > Beware, > > Dave H. > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jul 24 19:51:52 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:51:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> Hi Guys, it took me a bit to find this info. Long ago, in a Galaxie far away ( might have been a Fairlane though. Doubt it was a Falcon)?? ((think about it, Ford guys!)) I worked for several Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge garages. Did quite a few diffs A few years ago I went to an auction of a closing dealership and bought some Miller special tools, including a C 293 bearing puller. This puller uses different inserts to fit various bearings. The Miller C 293 with C293-45 inserts fits the side (carrier) bearings on my TR6. Didn't have to pull the pinion bearings, but there should be inserts to do that. If memory serves, C 293-37 inserts fit the pinions.?? There's a spacer that is needed for the side bearings, C 293-3. One of those could easily be made. Bear in mind, different bearings use different inserts. I looked on ebay and found the Miller tools. Some are outlandishly priced, but some are reasonable. Worth a look. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bill On 7/22/2019 10:05 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Bob, > > Have a look at this post. I think it covers the topic very well. I > have used OEM stuff so far and haven't run across this yet. > > https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145363 > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Robert Lang via Fot > > wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for the replies. On my initial setup, the ring gear was too > tight against the pinion. I just moved the shims around to get > things to free up and the pattern seems to be okay. So, I think, > by extension, you need to set bearing preload, then pinion depth > via shims on the gear side of the carrier and then backlash via > the shims on the smooth side. That's what I did and that's what > worked. > > The funny thing is, I did this setup YEARS ago with my 4.33 setup > (and an Oerlikon gear courtesy of Carsten Conrads) and I ran that > setup for over 10 years in autocross. When I pulled it apart to > scavenge the Quaife, the gears were perfect, so I musta done > something right! But for the life of me I could not remember how I > got there. Dumb luck is probably the answer. > > Now I gotta get this sucker in a car and run it for some break-in > miles.. > > As for pulling the carrier bearings off, I gotta make a better > tool setup. I broke a two-jaw puller in the process and wound up > having to cut off two carrier bearings to get the shims installed. > > Thanks for the input! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 24 22:19:17 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> Message-ID: <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same product that fits every time. TOTAL BS. Dave H. > On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: > > I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com mailto:timmmurphh at gmail.com > < timmmurphh at gmail.com mailto:timmmurphh at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > > > > > > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > > > > > > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > > > > #317 TR4 BRG > > > > > > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > > To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen > > Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > > > > > > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. > > > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. > > > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > > > Beware, > > > > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > > > > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. > > > > > > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > > > > > > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). > > > > > > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. > > > > > > Phil Gott > > > > > > 114 TR4A > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > > > > > > > -Marhieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 23:24:14 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> Fun part is that Porterfield sends you the metric Datsun 240Z pad for the 16P caliper that you then have to machine to fit the pin locations. Went round and round with them...they weren?t listening... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:19 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same product that fits every time. > > TOTAL BS. > > Dave H. > >> On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: >> >> I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with squaring every two races. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com> < timmmurphh at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim and Ryan Murphy >>> >>> #317 TR4 BRG >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot >>> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM >>> To: Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; ralph hansen >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads >>> >>> >>> >>> The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses and denials when I brought this to their attention. >>> >>> If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of the backing plate and the caliper slot. >>> >>> I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces uneven wear. >>> >>> I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality control. >>> >>> As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. >>> >>> Beware, >>> >>> Dave H. >>> >>> >>> >>> On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >>> The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the binding. >>> >>> Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. >>> >>> Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects). >>> >>> Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface. >>> >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> 114 TR4A >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important heat sink that makes brakes work.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! >>> >>> -Marhieu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 06:16:05 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] squaring pads In-Reply-To: <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> References: <202681213.4313576.1563665916801.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <202681213.4313576.1563665916801@mail.yahoo.com> <879919291.2670545.1563719625995@mail.yahoo.com> <0C531DBA-E99E-44EE-AE40-0782D8E40A13@aol.com> <1357702455.856216.1563768650587@connect.xfinity.com> <005e01d5425d$81d3a2a0$857ae7e0$@gmail.com> <0DF5DD0C-F2C5-4D5D-A6A2-F268F43BDF27@aol.com> <1474229534.444873.1564028357760@connect.xfinity.com> <37B83D4B-304A-47E8-9E3C-133157A864C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am probably not alone in having been at the track with a spare set of pads in the parts box when I have run across these fitment problems on a Saturday night getting ready for the next day. Bob Kramer On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 12:24 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Fun part is that Porterfield sends you the metric Datsun 240Z pad for the > 16P caliper that you then have to machine to fit the pin locations. > > Went round and round with them...they weren?t listening... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:19 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: > > I tried Porterfeild for the first time after I discovered problems with > Carbotech and was further disappointed in what they sent me. The friction > pad surface was hanging "at least" 1/8" over the outer edge of the rotor. > I could not believe it. I sent them back. I took photos and video to > document my discoveries with all these pads and I would happily share > them. When I locate the Porterfield photo, I will share it. Of course > Porterfield would correct this if I send them details of my findings, > but... I cannot believe the total BS learning experience I have been faced > with. I simply cannot believe that these companies ship these inferior > products. Hawk has been the only company that has sent me the exact same > product that fits every time. > > TOTAL BS. > > Dave H. > > On July 24, 2019 at 2:41 PM Phil Gott wrote: > > I?ve been using Porterfield R4 with good results. Easy to modulate, work > reasonably well when cold (safe pace lap) and last about 5-6 events with > squaring every two races. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:22 PM, < timmmurphh at gmail.com> < > timmmurphh at gmail.com> wrote: > > Maybe that explains the high wear rate that we are seeing lately on the > Carbotech CT2-XP10 brake pads we are using. We used to get almost 4 or 5 > race weekends out of a set of pads. Now it?s like one and half race > weekends. What is the wear rate for others that are using this pad? > > > > Maybe I will have to go back to the Hawk HB-169E.560 Blue/9012 compound > brake pads that we were using. Anyone have other suggestions? We like the > stopping power, fast warm up and feel of the Carbotech pads but the wear is > getting a little pricey at about $200 a set. > > > > Tim and Ryan Murphy > > #317 TR4 BRG > > > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *DAVE HOGYE via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 PM > *To:* Phil Gott ; Phil Gott via Fot ; > ralph hansen > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] squaring pads > > > > The more clearance between the slot in the caliper and the pad backing > plate the quicker this becomes a problem. I've measured .010-.012" total > clearance on an NOS street pad and as much as .070" on a set of Carbotech > pads. The edges of the Carbotech backing plates looked to have been, (were > definitely), ground off on and belt sander or grinder from the factory, > right down to the edge of the friction pad and they were out of square by > .035". The side of the pad was making contact with the caliper slot. This > immediately caused problems with the caliper pistons cocking severely. The > pistons even left a witness mark in the bore of the calipers. Not good. > The Carbotech pads had .070" wear diagonally across the friction surface in > a couple of weekends of racing. Unfortunately, Carbotech made many excuses > and denials when I brought this to their attention. > > If the pad backing plate is held close in the slot, the piston cannot get > cocked as severely under hard braking. Squaring of pad surface may still > be desirable at some point, but pay close attention between of the width of > the backing plate and the caliper slot. > > I have found Hawk pads to be made with as close a clearance as factory > pads and the same dimension on every order. No variations. The Hawk pads > also have the same shape as factory pads, more like a pie cut. Wider at > the outer edge. This helps compensates for rotor surface speed and reduces > uneven wear. > > I do like the feel of the Carbotechs, but I cannot rely on their quality > control. > > As you apply the brakes, the piston extends. If the pad can move greatly > within the caliper slot, the piston with take the side load, not the > backing plate of the pad as it should. If the backing plate is not square, > the pad will also rotate a little. Definitely not good. > > Beware, > > Dave H. > > > > On July 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to > different surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly > they ?cock? in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater the > binding. > > Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good > dust collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction > material parallel to the backing plate solves this issue. > > Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do > not change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic > irregularities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first > session out after squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new > pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if > you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for > temperature effects). > > Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the > rotor surface. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: > > > > > > not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to > make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - > in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, > these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, > you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the > angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all > important heat sink that makes brakes work.... > > > > > > On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks! > > -Marhieu > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jul 25 08:07:13 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:07:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Setup In-Reply-To: <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> References: <898793127.2888179.1563800031968.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <898793127.2888179.1563800031968@mail.yahoo.com> <45d1e8df-0e99-88d3-705a-971f3a9aaa53@verizon.net> Message-ID: <21e0aad0-5e3a-76fa-5411-a5257d537b2c@bradakis.com> On 7/24/19 7:51 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Hi Guys, it took me a bit to find this info. > > Long ago, in a Galaxie far away ( might have been a Fairlane though. > Doubt it was a Falcon)?? ((think about it, Ford guys!)) > Are you positively sure it wasn't a Falcon?? The Millennium package? Seriously, proper tools for both differential and transmission work really make the job a lot easier.? I will certainly check out the Miller tools. mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 16:05:01 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:05:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads Message-ID: Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. DH -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4120.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 446947 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: IMG_4144.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 577118 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 17:10:44 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Another brake pad In-Reply-To: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> References: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> Message-ID: <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing. We need these companies to build us quality parts. As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible. These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap. I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others. Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. DH > On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > > Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. > DH > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 18:43:37 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:43:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net> Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jul 25 19:02:02 2019 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, Message-ID: Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jul 25 20:39:51 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another brake pad In-Reply-To: <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> References: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and they run fine. Phil 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing. We need these companies to build us quality parts. As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible. These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap. I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others. Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. > > DH > >> On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. >> DH >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 25 23:56:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:56:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Another brake pad In-Reply-To: <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> References: <279C91D6-0826-4F8A-933B-9A141D535941@comcast.net> <717117115.456628.1564096244420@connect.xfinity.com> <7CF2D92C-E979-421E-9208-E7F5E2F7B71D@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601d54376$d504c840$7f0e58c0$@gmail.com> Pagid is making pads for the TR standard brakes. RSH 3 it is named. If you don?t get them in USA I can send some batches to Joe Alexander? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 04:40 An: DAVE HOGYE Cc: Friends Of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Another brake pad I have a similar but much less pronounced overhang on my R4 pads. I ignore it and they run fine. Phil 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:10 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: Obviously we don't have many choices for our brakes for racing. We need these companies to build us quality parts. As if brakes might have an important job to do in as safe a way as possible. These things are not inexpensive, but they are built kinda cheap. I went through quite a time consuming process trying to understand and determine what was going on with front brake issues and felt sharing what I found could help others. Porterfield was willing to address the problem, but why was there a problem in the first place? They sell these pads to a lot of racers. Does this R4 pad always hang over the edge of the rotor? One would think and hope that they are all made to the same specs for our Triumphs and whatever other car they might fit. Carbotech was more difficult to deal with and less willing to accept the fact that there was any problem at all. I went back and forth with phone calls and sending them photos of what I was finding. It was really a total pain in the behind. Hawk pads have been of excellent quality and exactly the same part every time and they have the closes tolerances between the backing plate and caliper slot. But, they seem to be harder on the rotors and don't have as much of a progressive feel. DH On July 25, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dave Hogye via Fot > wrote: Here is the R4 Porterfield pad hanging well over the edge of the rotor. Nice. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 26 04:58:51 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:58:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , Message-ID: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Fri Jul 26 06:03:53 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:03:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. Paul > On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. > You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. > DH > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 06:14:24 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C08B831-152E-4FB2-BA87-A648FE2F96CC@gmail.com> I used EBC Yellowstuff on recommendation of another racer but my experience was awful. I followed my usual break-in procedure (progressively harder stops to get some heat in the pads and rotors, followed by a long run to cool the brakes) but during a subsequent race the pads felt like they were glazed. I tried sanding them and the material came away in chunks. I chanced it again but the brakes were not effective after the first few applications, and again I tried to sand them with the same results ? the material crumbled. If the attached picture can be viewed on this forum, you can see what happened when I poked the material with a small flat-bladed screwdriver. Duncan > On Jul 26, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. > > Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. > > On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. > > Paul > > > >> On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. >> You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. >> DH >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7601.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 108161 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 26 08:59:56 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:59:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake pads In-Reply-To: <6C08B831-152E-4FB2-BA87-A648FE2F96CC@gmail.com> References: <6C08B831-152E-4FB2-BA87-A648FE2F96CC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101d543c2$cac2d420$60487c60$@gmail.com> I used EBC Yellow stuff for about 14 years and the TR4 performed quite well with them. Last year suddenly the performance of the pads faded on both cars, the TR8 and the TR4. Sometimes the pad fell off the backing plate, on other occasions they disintegrated and it wasn?t possible to stop the car properly. As Pagid is the sponsor of the racing series I talked to them and got pad material for testing. Some of them are very aggressive, others more dull with braking. I?ve found out what fits best to my car and I?m happy since then. The pads are for sure double or triple as expensive than EBC (TR4 pads) but they last about 2 years on my car. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 14:14 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brake pads I used EBC Yellowstuff on recommendation of another racer but my experience was awful. I followed my usual break-in procedure (progressively harder stops to get some heat in the pads and rotors, followed by a long run to cool the brakes) but during a subsequent race the pads felt like they were glazed. I tried sanding them and the material came away in chunks. I chanced it again but the brakes were not effective after the first few applications, and again I tried to sand them with the same results ? the material crumbled. If the attached picture can be viewed on this forum, you can see what happened when I poked the material with a small flat-bladed screwdriver. Duncan On Jul 26, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: We have been experimenting with some different pad compounds. We have not had issues with pads from Carbotech or Hawk. Both companies have been very helpful and delivered good product to us. Additionally, we just had an excellent experience with a Porterfield on an order. On the other hand, we have come to find that there is someone in the US that represents their rear brake shoe linings as being good for racing. We tried it and in one session we knew it was not a compound made to work at race temperatures. Therefore, we went around the seller and we tracked down the company doing the relining for the seller . The shop owner was really nice on the phone and they have confirmed what we thought in a test. The lining that is being used is NOT FOR RACING PURPOSES. It is a Cool-stop lining designed for street car use only. The compound that is being misrepresented is made to work well at low temps. That was a disappointing waste of $150 and a brake job??We ran them one weekend took them off. Now the backing plates will now be sent for a proper race lining. Paul On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot > wrote: Here are two different sets of CarboTech pads. Same part number. You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot. Pretty sloppy construction. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see that the backing plate is ground down and the pad is shaped at the same time. Other detail differences are also evident. The edge of the pad was contacting the caliper slot.? Pretty sloppy construction. DH Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Spot on! > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10 > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477584973&sdata=ydO0Vtf5B1qZhgo%2FjW0qSo0FpZdP7ih4EsMStf3PY50%3D&reserved=0 > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM > To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477594984&sdata=PGST4uXv9VCDTGEKkocsycZQWRNDDtgDvxa8PlRSkUo%3D&reserved=0 > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM > To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > Comments ? > jimg > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQdalHDSQRDk&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636996997477604989&sdata=epNUG%2FN%2BMbsoSpw6q20xNzQmI3rxSNY5CzlMob0d7t4%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jul 26 11:58:47 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:58:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook _____ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Fri Jul 26 13:10:12 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:10:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was that way back in the old days.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, July 26, 2019,?Ross, Lawrence via Fot??wrote: _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Helvetica;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Cambria Math;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv9042885288 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;}#yiv9042885288 A:link {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:blue;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288MsoHyperlink {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:blue;}#yiv9042885288 A:visited {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:purple;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288MsoHyperlinkFollowed {TEXT-DECORATION:underline;COLOR:purple;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288msonormal0 {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 P.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 LI.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 DIV.yiv9042885288default-style {FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;MARGIN-LEFT:0cm;MARGIN-RIGHT:0cm;}#yiv9042885288 SPAN.yiv9042885288E-MailFormatvorlage24 {FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:windowtext;}#yiv9042885288 .yiv9042885288MsoChpDefault {FONT-SIZE:10pt;}#yiv9042885288 P {MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;} You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag vonJAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Comments ? jimg ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk?? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Fri Jul 26 13:59:21 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:59:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> You are correct... Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Is the FIA dominated by the French? Aren?t they famous for adjusting the rules to suit their needs? It was that way back in the old days. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 26, 2019, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jul 26 14:57:35 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Message-ID: <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Then ban the FIA > On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: > > > You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. > > > > The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. > > > > Larry Ross > > > > Lawrence Ross Agency > 67 Old Clairton Rd. > Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 > (412) 655-9990 - office > (412) 780-8495 - cell > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM > To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. > > F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. > > The best car wins. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 > An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. > > The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? > > I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. > > Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. > > jimg > > > > > > On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > > > I saw that last night. Spot on! > > > > > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.microsoft.com_fwlink_-3FLinkId-3D550986&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=dKIL700Iqs2YJEqrvWFKjfUnORxucKsZ2OJbNEkNh_c&e= for Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM > > To: fot > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Faka.ms-252Fweboutlook-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477584973-26sdata-3DydO0Vtf5B1qZhgo-252FjW0qSo0FpZdP7ih4EsMStf3PY50-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=2mqg83xQWA3Kpfe70IAnMG2y_w7FYqKHU2cMcHzGo0E&e= > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Henry A. Morrison > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM > > To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net mailto:FOT at auto.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > > > > He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? > > > > > > > > Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Faka.ms-252Fweboutlook-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477594984-26sdata-3DPGST4uXv9VCDTGEKkocsycZQWRNDDtgDvxa8PlRSkUo-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=X5AyKXYNO4I1POLfyozw5N0yg6gue7WYq8Wfw5hwHjo&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM > > To: 'fot' > > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > > > > > > > Comments ? > > jimg > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.youtube.com-252Fwatch-253Fv-253DQdalHDSQRDk-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cde3d720e4df9452ea2fd08d71164ecfe-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636996997477604989-26sdata-3DepNUG-252FN-252BMbsoSpw6q20xNzQmI3rxSNY5CzlMob0d7t4-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=8cIaPfKB1Ip9iFALb0ygguDtlIiKpU5zbcI5xjvKCbM&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fot-2Dracing.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=Y1zSSsCpPoFDVs57D2P_QSmZq-oJ2MXemB2e20xvkVw&e= > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=oHyZ1HOBm-CUo57UVWXfbmHtYCu2_CGhmdnvAGeScMs&e= > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=iFya5JTU8NwV2GjGYp0YOmZdnmlxOJjXOtURuR-JgLQ&e= http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_fot&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=GiNC17j9gKzeGSrZwznCDVZ_L_Vr-7w_4aPePQZyXXE&e= > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_fot_toodamnfunky-40comcast.net&d=DwMFaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=-CZMpbR8dlnCS3e0sxrY9cndxqgjW4CyHNoxVIa2LIM&s=3pfxcZxmDl_E6c9dMbqneUOLp4JrVdAhEMGdxjlfFRA&e= > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 26 15:19:01 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:19:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com>, <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com>, <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Jul 27 03:40:40 2019 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (john.r.davies at btinternet.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:40:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> References: <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1457558474.1625797.1564170706739@mail.yahoo.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75E7@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Message-ID: <4274f02d.cf7.16c32cdc0c5.Webtop.224@btinternet.com> Anyone who thinks F1 isn't exciting missed the last race, the British GP at Silverstone. OK, Hamilton won by a British mile, but there was real racing just behind him! And, I would not take advice from Jeremy Clarkson if my life depended on it. The man is the worst of cads. For instance, years ago, long before he punched his producer in the face for not serving him a hot meal after a long day shooting video, I saw him telling his production team that they were a load of sh1ts. It wasn't the language, it was that this was in a crowded restaurant. You can do that to your crew in private, but not in public. John ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" To: "Bill Dentinger" ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, 26 Jul, 2019 At 20:59 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 You are correct... Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Bill Dentinger via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Is the FIA dominated by the French? Aren?t they famous for adjusting the rules to suit their needs? It was that way back in the old days. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 26, 2019, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: john.r.davies at btinternet.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.r.davies at btinternet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Fri Jul 26 11:15:46 2019 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:15:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> References: , <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net>, , <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1564161346.c3yc2jgylcgs4o80@webmail.lumos.net> I wish they would get rid of the ovals.  I can't stand to watch cars simply go in circles. John   On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT), JAMES GRAY via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   I saw that last night.  Spot on!   Terry Stetler   Sent from Mail for Windows 10   From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1       Sent from Outlook   From: Henry A. Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; FOT at auto.team.net <FOT at auto.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1   He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?  8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight?   Henry Morrison   Sent from Outlook     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1   Comments ? jimg   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk     _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net     _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jul 26 17:44:08 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:44:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: References: <006c01d5434b$29e0e370$7da2aa50$@comcast.net> <1584083724.460764.1564156132374@connect.xfinity.com> <001f01d543db$c741ba50$55c52ef0$@gmail.com> <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FD75C8@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> <1756237864.894870.1564174657155@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place. The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them. I don?t envy them. Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting. One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home. Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that. To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class. So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, any season. Which one would you pick? > On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. > > Terry Stetler > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM > To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 > > Then ban the FIA > >> On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: >> >> You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. >> >> >> >> The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. >> >> >> >> Larry Ross >> >> >> >> Lawrence Ross Agency >> 67 Old Clairton Rd. >> Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 >> (412) 655-9990 - office >> (412) 780-8495 - cell >> From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM >> To: fot at autox. team. net >> Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. >> >> F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. >> >> The best car wins. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot >> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 >> An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. >> >> The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? >> >> I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. >> >> Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. >> >> jimg >> >> On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: >> >> I saw that last night. Spot on! >> >> >> >> Terry Stetler >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM >> To: fot >> Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> >> From: Henry A. Morrison >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM >> To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? >> >> >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM >> To: 'fot' >> Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 >> >> >> >> Comments ? >> jimg >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:07:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <2019398187.3558004.1564279667907.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2019398187.3558004.1564279667907@mail.yahoo.com> Me too! I guess any racing is better than no racing, but?turn left and haul ass seems to lack a degree of difficulty.Bill Dentinget Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?R. John Lye via Fot??wrote: I wish they would get rid of the ovals.? I can't stand to watch cars simply go in circles. John ? On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT), JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: ? I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1??? Sent from Outlook ?From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ; FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1?He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight??Henry Morrison? Sent from Outlook ??From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:15:03 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and?stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot??wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place.? The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them.? I don?t envy them.? Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting.? One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home.? Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that.? To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class.? So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, ?any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: #yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 -- _filtered #yiv9757678604 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 a:link, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 a:visited, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 .yiv9757678604MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604WordSection1 {}#yiv9757678604 I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Comments ? jimg ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk?? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jul 27 20:15:03 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and?stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, July 27, 2019,?Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot??wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place.? The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them.? I don?t envy them.? Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting.? One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home.? Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that.? To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class.? So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, ?any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: #yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 -- _filtered #yiv9757678604 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9757678604 #yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604MsoNormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 a:link, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 a:visited, #yiv9757678604 span.yiv9757678604MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-ox-b6021d5dc0-xmsonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604ox-1656d580be-default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 p.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 li.yiv9757678604default-style, #yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604default-style {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9757678604 .yiv9757678604MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9757678604 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9757678604 div.yiv9757678604WordSection1 {}#yiv9757678604 I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence ; Ross, Lawrence via Fot ; tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1? Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. ? The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. ? Larry Ross ? Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 - office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler ; Terry Stetler via Fot ; Henry A. Morrison Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I saw that last night.? Spot on! ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Fot on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? ? ? Sent from Outlook ? From: Henry A. Morrison Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray ;FOT at auto.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things?? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? ? Henry Morrison ? Sent from Outlook ? ? From: Fot on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 ? 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URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Jul 27 20:25:44 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:25:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 In-Reply-To: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> References: <293617715.2425771.1564280103167.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <293617715.2425771.1564280103167@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Attending SCCA majors last month reminds me of the pro motorcycle races I did... not any comradely, not a enjoyable event, cold, every man for himself... I?ve done that once, not again. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2019, at 10:15 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: What you are describing reminds me of the ?Chicken Shit? SCCA rules and stuff in the 1970s that actually contributed to the birth (or rapid growth) of Vintage Racing. Many racers said, ?ENOUGH!? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Saturday, July 27, 2019, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot > wrote: While I generally like JC, I?m not sure he?s placing the blame in the right place. The stewards are just the arbiters of the rules placed in front of them. They, of course have some leeway, but, by and large, they are there to enforce and adjudicate disputes over the rules placed in front of them. I don?t envy them. Likewise the sanctioning body has a hard job. Balancing sponsorship opportunities for teams, market share, TV revenue, attendance numbers, manufacturers interests, etc isn?t easy. Oh and then there are the little things like making the racing safe but interesting. One could argue that F1 was at its heyday when they killed a driver or two a year and teams sold off parts at the end of the season to get enough money to get home. Similarly, what were some of the best racing seasons in any formula? 1967 F1? CanAm? F5000? GTP? Seems to me all of those were killed off by too much money, too many rules, dominance by too few, or some combination of all of that. To bring it closer to home, most of us race some variation of Production cars, another all but dead class. So think about your answer to the following question: you can choose to be in a car at the back of any season, any class, any season. Which one would you pick? On Jul 26, 2019, at 17:19, Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I think at this juncture it?s good to remember that the Indianapolis 500 was once a Formula 1 points race, which is why Ferrari cave over and had a shot at it. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of JAMES GRAY via Fot > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:57:35 PM To: Ross, Lawrence >; Ross, Lawrence via Fot >; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Then ban the FIA On July 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM "Ross, Lawrence via Fot" > wrote: You won't see Indy Cars on F1 tracks. The FIA has banned that possibility, unless the Indy Cars run the track in the opposite direction. Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 1:58 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Indy Cars, or Champ Cars are a lot more entertaining than F1. F1 is just a porn show of technic. You can?t say it is racing. The best car wins. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von JAMES GRAY via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 17:49 An: Terry Stetler >; Terry Stetler via Fot >; Henry A. Morrison > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Even though I'm a huge F1 fan I've found Indy car racing to be much more entertaining in the last couple years. The cars are more robust and so far there has been what, seven different winners this year ? I just wish they would dump the street coarses, never been a fan of street coarses. Love to see the Indy cars on some of the F1 tracks. jimg On July 26, 2019 at 4:58 AM Terry Stetler via Fot > wrote: I saw that last night. Spot on! Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Henry A. Morrison via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:02:02 PM To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Henry A. Morrison > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:00 PM To: Jim Gray >; FOT at auto.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 He's right! what's up with those stupid Halo things? 8 Billion humans on the earth, more people than rats! Not an endangered species...???...Is my HANS device too tight? Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Jim Gray via Fot > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:43 PM To: 'fot' > Subject: [Fot] Jeremy Clarkson explains what's wrong with F1 Comments ? jimg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdalHDSQRDk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 07:39:57 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators In-Reply-To: References: <1265538906.3339.1562875572559.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1265538906.3339.1562875572559@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431224347.1505977.1564407597396@mail.yahoo.com> thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit RalphApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators?just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jul 29 08:33:52 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators References: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> The important part is "new Denso units".A good friend who is in the bidness of rebuilding starters/gennys has pointed out several points in the reman process that are failure-prone, and wear limits of some components may be very generous.As with any "rebuilt" you take your chances...Glen -----Original Message----- From: ralph hansen via Fot To: FOT Triumph ; marty Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit RalphApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators?just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TLizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 29 10:22:48 2019 From: TLizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:22:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators In-Reply-To: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <2041756113.1524279.1564410832449@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gotta agree with Glen. Brand new Denso means quality. Back when I was working at the local import shop the various Japanese cars we serviced would regularly get 100,000+ miles on their Denso starters, then the failure mode was worn out solenoid contacts, which listed for about $15 at the time. Replace those and they would get another 100K out of those things. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 10:33:52 AM To: quikrx at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; trmarty at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators The important part is "new Denso units". A good friend who is in the bidness of rebuilding starters/gennys has pointed out several points in the reman process that are failure-prone, and wear limits of some components may be very generous. As with any "rebuilt" you take your chances... Glen -----Original Message----- From: ralph hansen via Fot To: FOT Triumph ; marty Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators thank you Marty for the plug, I appreciate it these are new Denso units, and I will treat all FOT members fairly still working on getting info from supplier, the quakes they had really messed them up (it will not slow or prevent getting anyone a needed unit Ralph Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com On Monday, July 29, 2019, 06:52:38 AM CDT, marty wrote: Group, I just installed one of the Wosp starters Ralph fixed me up with. This starter appears to be a higher quality than the gear reduction starter it replaced. The fitment is better and they incorporated some good design features. Ralph gave me a good price on top of it. If you need a starter you should contact Ralph. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:06 PM To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wosperformance Starters and Alternators just an fyi everyone - my little company is now a dealer for Wosperformance starters and alternators - need a gear reduction starter for that race car, we can probably help you - many varied listings - email your needs, will quote a good FOT style price and we'll go from there Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 09:11:52 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Looking for starter part References: <1440480304.312899.1564499512498.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1440480304.312899.1564499512498@mail.yahoo.com> I'm sure many of you are like me, in that over a 50 year obsession with Triumphs, I have accumulated a lot of bits and pieces.? When I was racing, I was given a couple of old TR-3's and bought a few more for $50 each (or less).? I parted out 6 or 7 cars, and kept anything that looked like it might be useful some day.? With that in mind, I'm hoping someone might have the piece I am looking for, or know someone who does. When I completed the restoration on my TR-2 twenty-seven years ago, I tried to keep it very original.? I used the original (long) starter, which was used on all TR-2's and 3's up to chassis number 50,000.? This starter has always worked well for me.? As I was cleaning out and organizing some of my old parts, I came across one of these early starters, and decided to get it rebuilt so my daughter, who now has the TR-2, would have a spare on the shelf if she ever needs it.? The local electric shop took it apart and checked all of the components, and everything checked out all right, except for an item called the pinion, which of course is no longer available.? The pinion rides on the shaft coming our of the main starter body and includes the gear which engages the flywheel.? The Moss part number is 549-600, and the Triumph factory part number is 501030. If anyone has this part, in a box of old starter parts, that they would be willing to sell, please let me know.? I figured they made at least 50,000 of these things (plus any for service), so there should still be a few laying around somewhere.? I'm hoping one of you can help me find one. Thanks in advance for your help. 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Thanks in advance, Tony Drews From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 31 10:52:56 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... ;-) Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JVV http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.org/ -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ wpta at autox.team.net ------------------------------------- http://www.wptriumph.org Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/wpta/mark at bradakis.com From jfrymark at aol.com Wed Jul 31 18:55:38 2019 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) received any info or confirmation from them? John Frymark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert Lang > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > ;-) > Regards,Bob Lang > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > ************************************* From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jul 31 19:15:31 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: John, if you're asking about the Friday Tour I recently asked when it starts and heard back that check-in at the Winery is between 7:30 and 8:30. I believe a notice is coming out soon. JVV -----Original Message----- From: John Frymark via Fot Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:55 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) received any info or confirmation from them? John Frymark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert Lang > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. If only I > knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > ;-) > Regards,Bob Lang > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 19:27:44 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: I haven't gotten any thing back either but if I go to the WG event page on the SVRA website and try to register, it say's I'm already am, would I like to add a 2nd car. Believe they have a big event this coming weekend at Indy, so wouldn't expect see any updates or info about the Glen for a while. mike h On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Frymark via Fot wrote: > Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last December) > received any info or confirmation from them? > > John Frymark > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. 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If only > I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > > ;-) > > Regards,Bob Lang > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot/attachments/20190731/ef1b7c20/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 31 21:15:36 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 In-Reply-To: References: <581AC4AD-4A1A-4313-B62A-E52FDDC1A569@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm in the "I have heard nothing" camp too. - Tony Drews On 7/31/2019 8:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > I haven't gotten any thing back either but if I go to the WG event > page on the SVRA website and try to register, it say's I'm already am, > would I like to add a 2nd car. > > Believe they have a big event this coming weekend at Indy, so wouldn't > expect see any updates or info about the Glen for a while. > > mike h > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Frymark via Fot > > wrote: > > Has anyone that registered for SVRA Watkins Glen (I did last > December) received any info or confirmation from them? > > John Frymark > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >? ?1. Re: Watkins Glen (Robert Lang) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:52:56 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Robert Lang > > > To: FOT Triumph > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > Message-ID: <1863361701.243838.1564591976945 at mail.yahoo.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi, > > Does SVRA publish an entry list for the WG Vintage GP in September? > > I've poked around at the site, but I haven't found anything yet. > If only I knew someone that was into computers and stuff... > > ;-) > > Regards,Bob Lang > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 188 > > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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