From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 15:24:23 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 21:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. TIA,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 16:37:07 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 22:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: #yiv9371996543 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 18:51:24 2019 From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 00:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> Hi We had this problem when we R & R'd a TR6 trans a couple years ago coinciding with swapping hydraulics while sorting the problem. Turns out the clutch was being over thrown, must of gotten a long throw master or something. discovered this by accident. - ????Dump the clutch to the floor, could not shift - ? ? Put the clutch pedal halfway down gave me proper disengagement etc, and releasing the clutch, no slippage. - ? ? short term fix now in place three years, welded an adjustable stop to the clutch pedal limiting the throw so as to not overthrow the PP Try thatGood luckBrian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:52:50 PM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jun 2 04:01:05 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1726974423.7700475.1559469665583@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, I was thinking about the Tilton dual clutch setup my 4 has; the snout is a different length that holds the input shaft seal. ? Didn?t realize it until I swapped transmissions and the clutch wouldn?t disengage. ?Pulled the trans again, and then noticed that the snout on the former working setup was machines down for my clutch/flywheel/pressure plate setup. ?? I?m sure you thought of those things, too, but my symptoms matched what you describe. Hope that provides another clue! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:37 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: #yiv5011764308 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jun 2 05:20:49 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 07:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02b8dc17-1c2d-3144-b2a0-1e0b25eb4740@verizon.net> Could it be that the slave is mounted on the wrong side of the bracket, or the bracket on the wrong side of the bellhousing? I think one of Kas's books addresses that situation. I know I read it somewhere. Cheers, Bill On 6/1/2019 8:51 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hi > > We had this problem when we R & R'd a TR6 trans a couple years ago > coinciding with swapping hydraulics while sorting the problem. Turns > out the clutch was being over thrown, must of gotten a long throw > master or something. discovered this by accident. > > * ????????Dump the clutch to the floor, could not shift > * ?? ?? Put the clutch pedal halfway down gave me proper disengagement > etc, and releasing the clutch, no slippage. > * ?? ?? short term fix now in place three years, welded an adjustable > stop to the clutch pedal limiting the throw so as to not overthrow > the PP > > > Try that > Good luck > Brian > > 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 Cell > BSchirano at yahoo.com > > > On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:52:50 PM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi, > > This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the > slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of > travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. > > I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was > "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. > > Seriously, I am puzzled by this. > > Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. > > I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I > seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! > > I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional > and just put that back in. Yikes. > > Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. > That's some physical workout. > > Zzzzzzzz > > rml > > On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson > wrote: > > > Bob- > From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.?? Adjustable > pushrod on the slave??? Air in the system??? I'm assuming this is big > TR, not Spit. > Fred Hodgson > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 20190602_070439.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4492690 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 2 06:04:46 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 14:04:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201d5193b$60cd74a0$22685de0$@gmail.com> Hi, I?m running a Tilton unit for years now. The hydraulic is standard, ?? master and the normal slave. Adjustable pushrod. Standard factory clutch / brake ? pedal. Most trouble is the fork of the throw out bearing. The for needs in most cases some help. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Robert Lang via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2019 00:37 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] clutch question Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson > wrote: Bob- >From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady. Adjustable pushrod on the slave? Air in the system? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit. Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19522 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 2 18:38:18 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 00:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1902581386.7878665.1559522298694@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the replies. After playing with everything over the weekend, I was able to get the clutch to work by playing with the push rod length for the clutch MC. I'm not sure why this adjustment was needed, but something about the combination of parts resulted in inadequate motion at the clutch fork. I'll sort it out later, but I may upgrade from the 3/4" clutch MC to a 7/8" as part of the eventual solution. On the downside - I spun the thrust washers in the C/R tranny, so it looks like another case is toast. But the car should run okay now, so I'm ready for Thompson in a couple of weeks. Thanks again! rml On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 6:07:51 PM EDT, Jason Sukey wrote: Hi Bob, ? If I didn't know any better your symptoms sound like a cracked or not fully seated taper pin that's rocking back into the "home" position when not under force.? (A stretch i know...). What about the difference in disc thickness; .010" probably translates into a lot more than? .010" additional required travel at the slave cylinder due science and stuff. :). What size master are you using with the Tilton setup? I hope you get it licked. Jason On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 5:24 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. TIA,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Jun 3 00:49:26 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:49:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1522995422.67195989.1559544566157.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The TR6 has a reputed problem : the wear in the parts that are operating the clutch can add up in a considerable loss of travel of that cylinder : suspension of the clutch pedal(shaft/hole), pedal to MC push rod, slave cylinder push rod to cross shaft, cross shaft to gearbox case. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 juni 2019 23:24:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] clutch question Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. TIA, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jun 3 06:27:20 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question References: <2106821938.8048775.1559564840887.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2106821938.8048775.1559564840887@mail.yahoo.com> Yes that stack-up wear can add up.Having changed many hundreds of these clutches over the last 50 years, aside from hydraulic issues and normal wear and crappy aftermarket release bearings, the most common problem that I see is the broken clutch fork bolt.It shears and then the fork rotates on the shaft a bit and wedges itself tight, and then requires extra pushrod travel to compensate.When all is fitted, the external release arm is pretty much vertical, if it's trailing aft a noticeable amount, the bolt is likely sheared.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Robert Lang Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 2:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch question The TR6 has a reputed problem : the wear in the parts that are operating the clutch can add up in a considerable loss of travel of that? cylinder : suspension of the clutch pedal(shaft/hole), pedal to MC push rod, slave cylinder push rod to cross shaft, cross shaft to gearbox case.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 juni 2019 23:24:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] clutch question Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. 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On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 22:02:53 -0700, J Wagner via Fot wrote: Not Triumph, but.... had it seems appropriate to share with this crowd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkUEjI2dB7g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com ? From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Wed Jun 5 20:12:26 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:12:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire single rail gearbox synchro hub Message-ID: <8A6A4E74-DF81-47A0-A3FA-8BDDBB286165@yahoo.com> Amici, I?ve re-assembled my main shaft and have too much play at the first gear synchro, about 1/8? more than I?d like. Meanwhile my second gear synchro is tighter than I?d like. How do I ?move? the extra space down the shaft? My overall length is good as my bearings are tight against the circlips. It doesn?t seem to make a difference but I?m wondering if I have the inner part of the synchro hub backwards. It has a longer flange around the shaft on one side than the other... about 1/8? longer. Should the longer flange face forward or backwards? Same question for the 3rd/4th synchro hub flange. My synchro clearances are good on 3rd and 4th but I?m second guessing myself that I have the long flange on the correct side. Thanks, Dusty 1971 Spitfire FP #4 Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 6 19:36:52 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 21:36:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6-GT6 head flow rate Message-ID: <0F54004A-CF75-458F-8683-9389AC390D3F@me.com> Does anyone have some flow rate numbers for a well ported head? I assume the Gt6 and Tr6 will flow about the same on a flow bench. Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) Marcel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jun 9 08:17:52 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 08:44:28 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874505473.330501.1560091468756@mail.yahoo.com> I used to run a little toe out on the rear of my Spit racer, darty in a straight line or over bumps and surface imperfections but made a difference in cornering - it was if I remember about .4 sec at Blackhawk Farms On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 09:18:20 AM CDT, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britracer89 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 08:48:54 2019 From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels.?Hope that?s helpful.Good luck,Brian? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 09:12:23 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 11:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: > A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a > tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe > out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. > Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of > scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my > opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for > better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a > cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure > that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip > on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in > the road. > > My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? > toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? > diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. > Hope that?s helpful. > Good luck, > Brian > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot > wrote: > > The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been > running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability > as well as turn in response. > > On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels > have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the > expected toe in. > Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will > change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot > members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results > (especially turn in characteristics) > Marcel > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 10:06:52 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> Interesting that when I inquired about rear toe for the Spitfire, one of our esteemed members suggested 1/8? toe in as a critical setting. I had the race shop check it as I had done nothing more than disassembled rebuilt and reassembled the rear suspension as I had found it. They found the setting at 1/8? toe in. It had come off the track in 1976 after a very successful SCCA career set that way. Good enough for me... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:12 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. > >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: >> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. >> >> My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. >> Hope that?s helpful. >> Good luck, >> Brian >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: >> >> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. >> >> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. >> Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) >> Marcel >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpspitfire at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 10:34:43 2019 From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 10:34:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure the dynamics of a tr4 suspension but yes, I?m with others, spitfire 1/8 total out in front and 1/8 total in at the rear. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Interesting that when I inquired about rear toe for the Spitfire, one of our esteemed members suggested 1/8? toe in as a critical setting. > > I had the race shop check it as I had done nothing more than disassembled rebuilt and reassembled the rear suspension as I had found it. > > They found the setting at 1/8? toe in. It had come off the track in 1976 after a very successful SCCA career set that way. > > Good enough for me... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:12 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >> >> I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. >> >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: >>> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. >>> >>> My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. >>> Hope that?s helpful. >>> Good luck, >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: >>> >>> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. >>> >>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. >>> Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) >>> Marcel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/hpspitfire at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jun 9 11:12:05 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:12:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <929376758.130698214.1560100325725.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I believe the outer wheel(raising) is gaining toe in and the inner wheel (dropping) is going in the direction of toe out : that should be favourable on turning in. Marcel Van: "John Styduhar" Aan: "Brian Dennis" Cc: "Rick Parent" , "fot" , "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Zondag 9 juni 2019 17:12:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Rear axle toe in I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. Hope that?s helpful. Good luck, Brian [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > Thanks, > Dusty >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Dusty... > > I think ANY TR3 that went to battle is significant, and deserves to be revered and preserved. > > If I get a VOTE, I vote, "YES!" > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dustin nicholson via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am > Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? > > Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dusty > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From igofaster at att.net Sun Jun 9 14:19:25 2019 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES....also, the one on the left?? Small Mouth? Bobby Whitehead On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 1:42:23 PM CDT, Harvey Kinnard via Fot wrote: My sentiments exactly. I second that philosophy, motion, or vote.? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Dusty... I think ANY TR3 that went to battle is significant, and deserves to be revered and preserved. If I get a VOTE, I vote, "YES!" Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > Thanks, > Dusty >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 15:22:24 2019 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <925c3c1f-f582-8b5c-58a4-fb2e9542a65d@gmail.com> On 6/9/19 1:19 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES....also, the one on the > left?? Small Mouth? > > Bobby Whitehead The white one on the left is a TR3A with TR2 front piece. TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 9 19:03:43 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:03:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82d192fc-78e6-ee3d-f2fe-114bca41b4a5@bradakis.com> Based simply on the color I was going to say Cheesehead, but it doesn't look modified enough. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 9 20:22:04 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:22:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0ad75c66-6899-8767-8d1a-d19ab152a1e2@bradakis.com> On 6/9/19 2:19 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES. Just a comment on this sentiment.? I am pretty sure I have mentioned this before.? Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I went to look at a TR4.? It was red, it was a bit rusty, but it ran.? I made the seller an offer, he said he would get back to me.? He later called and said the car was mine.? I go to his place to do the formalities and he says that a couple of other folks offered more money, but he was selling it to me.? None of the others had quite the same look in their eyes, the same smile on their face as they looked it over.? He could tell, he just somehow knew that I deserved that car. Spent many happy years with The Rust Rocket as I came to call it, both in and under it, on the track, on the street, at the autocross. That fellow was right. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: creeper.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 249780 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jun 10 14:41:16 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 16:41:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. I see Craig at Summit Point just about every Jefferson 500. He introduced himself when he first saw my GT6. His bio, below, speaks for itself. The best part, I think, is that Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the previous owners. So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on the track and letting those GT6s race together again. Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me. 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Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me. I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and would hope I could further the cause of the organization. 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Great bio, and another GT6!? - Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen via Fot To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Cc: Judi Miller Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. ?I see Craig at Summit Point just about every Jefferson 500. ?He introduced himself when he first saw my GT6. ?His bio, below, speaks for itself. ?The best part, I think, is that Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the previous owners. ?So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on the track and letting those GT6s race together again.Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sportscars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school.? I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summerof 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years oldto join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. Ihave been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant CompetitionDirector to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season aswell. ?I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over theyears. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held aNational Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring itwith the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me.I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and wouldhope I could further the cause of the organization.Thanks,Craig Miller _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You had to be 21 > years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over > the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was > Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove > the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire > 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production > from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own > the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage > racing before time gets away from me. > > I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and would hope I could > further the cause of the organization. > > Thanks, > > Craig Miller > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jun 10 15:55:48 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:55:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <322657ab-8726-1cee-9270-3090d620b8e0@bradakis.com> On 6/10/19 2:41 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > II raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a > National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently > restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time > gets away from me. I know that feeling.? Craig is added. mjb. From john at linneyweb.com Tue Jun 11 13:56:46 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:56:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock Message-ID: It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms -John John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 11 15:52:38 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at IMRRC Watkins Glen Message-ID: <694C0D8B-A777-4565-915C-A65C8B16A26F@cs.com> FOT, Anybody have any candidates to have on display at IMRRC during the Triumph event in September? One or two. Car(s) can be driven during the re-enactment on Friday afternoon/evening. They will promote the car and the owner quite nicely. There might be other perks. Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 11 17:09:46 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:09:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement Message-ID: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> FOT: One of our Aussies got dropped off the list. It?s time he came back. Triumph guy, of course, among other cars. He and his wife have even been our guests at the Blackhawk Farms Kastner Cup. Tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Mark, plunk your magic twanger and make him reappear. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 17:13:08 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Terry_O=E2=80=99Beirne=2E_Reinstatement?= Message-ID: <67330227-099F-483C-A590-C39AAC27CCFC@gmail.com> I forgot to mention his name. Sorry, Terry. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 11 17:26:33 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 17:26:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement In-Reply-To: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> References: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> Message-ID: <10cfc795-0883-783b-1404-37438ea093eb@bradakis.com> On 6/11/19 5:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > One of our Aussies got dropped off the list. It?s time he came back. > Triumph guy, of course, among other cars. He and his wife have even been our guests at the Blackhawk Farms Kastner Cup. > > Tobeirne at skillpro.com.au > > Mark, plunk your magic twanger and make him reappear. > Done, Terry is back on. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jun 11 17:33:06 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:33:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement In-Reply-To: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> References: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> Message-ID: <2849B0B2ECD747CF89E48D98BAD8B6E0@VlackTK121647> Mark did you get my request for Tony Sheach. I sent it to your personal email. He also got dropped somehow. JVV From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 11 17:37:38 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow.? Very nicely done.? I was captivated. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/11/2019 2:56 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From john at linneyweb.com Tue Jun 11 17:47:15 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:47:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tony! > On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Wow. Very nicely done. I was captivated. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/11/2019 2:56 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: >> It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. >> >> Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. >> >> I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. >> >> Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. >> >> Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A >> >> To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms >> >> -John >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 11 20:50:40 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 02:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Framing John DeLorean References: <449785764.178486.1560307840408.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449785764.178486.1560307840408@mail.yahoo.com> Amici.. Just watched "Framing John DeLorean" On Demand (also available to rent on other channels). Very interesting. ?Highly recommended. Brilliant Engineer and Marketing Genius, but let ambition warp his morals. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jun 11 22:07:42 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that car sing and dance. Sweet! Dave H. > On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot wrote: > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 04:10:32 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 06:10:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> Oh, what could have been? Thanks for bringing the story to video, John. Duncan > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:07 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that car sing and dance. Sweet! > Dave H. >> On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot > wrote: >> >> >> It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. >> >> Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. >> >> I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. >> >> Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. >> >> Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A >> >> To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms >> >> -John >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 06:18:01 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> References: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> Message-ID: The whole thing was great. TR250K to TR7 transitional graphic was an outstanding visual. I will watch it again but what did Peter Brock say about the car being better than the Cobra Daytona coupes? Bob Kramer On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:10 AM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > Oh, what could have been? > > Thanks for bringing the story to video, John. > > Duncan > > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:07 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: > > That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. > Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that > car sing and dance. Sweet! > Dave H. > > On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve > completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and > Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You > may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in > depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. > It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in > noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank > for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the > car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to > Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as > supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all > welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? > https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jun 12 07:32:21 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> John Fascinating, loved the video, great story telling, editing, and quality. Thanks for capturing this important story in such a artful fashion. Very well done, you have a gift. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Linney via Fot Sent: June 11, 2019 3:57 PM To: John Linney via Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms -John John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 12 11:02:55 2019 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Message-ID: AMICI - Who is going to Blackhawk this weekend? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Jun 12 11:40:01 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:40:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> References: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <463C0D37-D25C-416E-B644-5BACB015E71E@linneyweb.com> Thanks Paul - And thank you all for the great feedback. I have put together a special page on my web site where you can also see some close-up stills from the video. Check out https://classicmotorfilms.com/tr250k . > On Jun 12, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > John > > Fascinating, loved the video, great story telling, editing, and quality. Thanks for capturing this important story in such a artful fashion. > > Very well done, you have a gift. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of John Linney via Fot > Sent: June 11, 2019 3:57 PM > To: John Linney via Fot > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The double vision I had two years ago is much better, but it's still there, and if I smack into someone because I'm turning into the wrong corner I couldn't forgive myself. So its curtains to roughly 50 years of racing something: Flat track and TT motorcycles, motocross, road racing motorcycles, road racing cars, and vintage car racing, culminating with being the honored caretaker of the remarkable Peyote since 1999. I'm getting Peyote ready to sell, since it doesn't belong in a collection gathering dust, it should be raced, and raced hard. As it always has been, for 60 years. I?ll also eventually be selling Ambro 001, though it?s going to take some time. I?m rebodying it, with an Ambro body that doesn?t weigh 250 pounds. More like 60. And Peyotifying it. Fast and pretty. Like my hero, Mr. Kastner, I?m concentrating on stuff in the water, but instead of racing sailboats I?m playing around with hydrofoils on surfboards and other silly stuff. It will be some time until I finish the Ambro, and I?d like to stay on the list to see what all you folks are up to. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 16 22:28:52 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:28:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Peyote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7cee7a46-9a1f-8f44-51ec-0539865c0a9d@bradakis.com> Wow.? That's some news.? But none of us are getting any younger, time does take its toll.? Hopefully Peyote will go to someone on the list already, or at least a person who should be on this list. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 17 07:54:54 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:54:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. Message-ID: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> Friends of Triumph: This might make a good time to make a few announcements on the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup: We are working with Rick Parent and Tony Parella of SVRA. SVRA has extended FREE ENTRY to the Kastner Cup Entrants. We currently have two UK based vintage race cars pursuing the logistics of shipping their cars to the Kastner Cup. Jeff Snook is supporting that effort to the extent that he can. Marty Sukey, and others, are going to be at this annual SVRA event next weekend. They will be examining the FOT Paddock Location and associated costs. Clark Lincoln has been ?commissioned? to do the artwork for the annual Kastner Cup Poster. (We have the best artists in Steve Belfer and Clark Lincoln). Jerry Van Vlack has volunteered to do the Event Shirts. (Big Job) Shawn Frank continues as our ?Media Maven? and Chief Photog. He will likely be working with Pam Shawtraw of SVRA. We have invited John Linney to join us with his Video Equipment and Hi-Tech Drone. (We may need to figure out a way to get this done) Rick Parent is our Chief of Tech and our liaison to SVRA. Eligibility will likely be considered on a case by case basis, with Rick as the final judge on Equipment. Kas and I are working on the BUDGET. Since we have no treasury, it is likely that we will need to make an assessment to the Entrants. If some entity wants to sponsor the Hospitality Tent we would likely accept an offer to do so. Kastner?s Expenses Trophy Expenses Hospitality Tent Expense. We can recover the cost of the Posters and Shirts thru sales. We sold posters and FOT decals at Buttonwillow. That yielded $330. So the posters and decals were paid for, but little excess. Thank you to all that are supporting this ?RETURN TO MID-OHIO?. The One Year Count Down Begins. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 11:22:29 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:22:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Message-ID: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 17 12:17:10 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:17:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Belfer Kastner Cup Poster plus four FOT decals. Duplicate Shipment Message-ID: <6F74DF6F-B21C-4678-B62E-B909B0D2D61B@cs.com> Michael Kutka ended up with two sets. We could forward to someone, if interested. Or we still have a few more posters and decals, if more interest is there. Contact me. Thanks! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 12:18:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. In-Reply-To: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> References: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> Message-ID: <1167341581.2617893.1560795536404@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... Not sure if I will still be up to attending (getting old is not for the meek), but I would certainly contribute to any collection of funds for expenses. Keep me in the loop. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 6:55 am Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. Friends of Triumph: This might make a good time to make a few announcements on the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup: We are working with Rick Parent and Tony Parella of SVRA. SVRA has extended FREE ENTRY to the Kastner Cup Entrants. We currently have two UK based vintage race cars pursuing the logistics of shipping their cars to the Kastner Cup. Jeff Snook is supporting that effort to the extent that he can. Marty Sukey, and others, are going to be at this annual SVRA event next weekend. They will be examining the FOT Paddock Location and associated costs. Clark Lincoln has been ?commissioned? to do the artwork for the annual Kastner Cup Poster. (We have the best artists in Steve Belfer and Clark Lincoln). Jerry Van Vlack has volunteered to do the Event Shirts. (Big Job) Shawn Frank continues as our ?Media Maven? and Chief Photog. He will likely be working with Pam Shawtraw of SVRA. We have invited John Linney to join us with his Video Equipment and Hi-Tech Drone. (We may need to figure out a way to get this done) Rick Parent is our Chief of Tech and our liaison to SVRA. Eligibility will likely be considered on a case by case basis, with Rick as the final judge on Equipment. Kas and I are working on the BUDGET. Since we have no treasury, it is likely that we will need to make an assessment to the Entrants. If some entity wants to sponsor the Hospitality Tent we would likely accept an offer to do so. Kastner?s Expenses Trophy Expenses Hospitality Tent Expense. We can recover the cost of the Posters and Shirts thru sales. We sold posters and FOT decals at Buttonwillow. That yielded $330. So the posters and decals were paid for, but little excess. Thank you to all that are supporting this ?RETURN TO MID-OHIO?.? The One Year Count Down Begins. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 13:35:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 21:35:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> Hi Bill, It is not allowed to touch other cars in this racing group (still happen occasionally, but rarely). So everybody is taking care which makes it more fun to go through corners with 2 or 3 cars and see how is on front :) They Healey driver managed to pass me on the grass. I tried to gently block his line but that didn?t disturb him. He went on the green ?. Great driving and bravery of him :) So much fun to race with a great bunch of people. Assen is a track with many engine failures. As soon as possible I tried to save the engine, keeping the revs low. Thank you for your compliment! Cheers Chris Von: Bill Dentinger Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:18 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris... AWESOME! I am particularly impressed with the close racing early on. You pulled off some extremely close maneuvers without an incident. Only the laundry knows how exciting such close racing can be. Early on, that yellow Austin Healy's straight line speed was an issue, but you got it handled eventually. I was also impressed with how 'gentle you are with the car's drive train' during the long periods when you were alone on the track. Those were still some of your fastest laps, but rarely did you even touch 6,000 rpms. Das ist GUT! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 14:09:48 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:09:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> Hi John, You are right. His move wasn?t correct. I?ve tried to distract him with a tiny move to the left. He didn?t care and went over the grass. Good that the Dutch grass is more sticky than the British one :) At that moment I was happy he passed my as I had more fun to have a go again on him. Sorry that I?m so selfish. Cheers Chris Von: JOHN DAVIES Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:56 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen You cannot legally pass someone if you are not on the track. In UK racing, "exceeding the racing limits" which are marked by white lines where there are no kerbs, can annul a pass, can get you a time penalty, or a visit to the Clerk of the Course and disqualification. As all know, a car on the grass is a car out of control. Personally, I'm fed up with drivers who take a risk and cause me damage as a result. I hope that this sort of racing isn't what might happen at the Kastner Cup! John ----Original message---- >From : fot at autox.team.net Date : 17/06/2019 - 20:35 (GMTST) To : fot at autox.team.net Subject : Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Hi Bill, It is not allowed to touch other cars in this racing group (still happen occasionally, but rarely). So everybody is taking care which makes it more fun to go through corners with 2 or 3 cars and see how is on front :) They Healey driver managed to pass me on the grass. I tried to gently block his line but that didn?t disturb him. He went on the green ?. Great driving and bravery of him :) So much fun to race with a great bunch of people. Assen is a track with many engine failures. As soon as possible I tried to save the engine, keeping the revs low. Thank you for your compliment! Cheers Chris Von: Bill Dentinger > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:18 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris... AWESOME! I am particularly impressed with the close racing early on. You pulled off some extremely close maneuvers without an incident. Only the laundry knows how exciting such close racing can be. Early on, that yellow Austin Healy's straight line speed was an issue, but you got it handled eventually. I was also impressed with how 'gentle you are with the car's drive train' during the long periods when you were alone on the track. Those were still some of your fastest laps, but rarely did you even touch 6,000 rpms. Das ist GUT! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jun 17 17:47:52 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 17:51:50 2019 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (James Palmer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> Second! Jamie Palmer > On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. > > Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. > > At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. > > Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? > > Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com > > From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 19:14:18 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:14:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <21D0BEFA-C52E-43A7-80CC-368EB8AECD3B@gmail.com> Second! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 4:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. > > Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. > > At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. > > Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? > > Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com > > From pethier7 at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 19:19:05 2019 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Phil Ethier) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54746508-DDAE-4DD2-9A10-3FCA0352E8AA@gmail.com> Not only is Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?. No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 19:33:01 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673@mail.yahoo.com> 2nd vowel dominant? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, June 17, 2019,?Phil Ethier via Fot??wrote: Not only is? Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?.? No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne? (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne? 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Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Jun 18 05:54:32 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:54:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Nomination In-Reply-To: <1617201932.213411740.1560839960756.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> <54746508-DDAE-4DD2-9A10-3FCA0352E8AA@gmail.com> <1617201932.213411740.1560839960756.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1140428549.215893916.1560858872582.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> ----- Doorgestuurd bericht ----- Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Phil Ethier" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 08:39:20 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Nomination Fil atj??, I would not expect otherwise from cl?d' ganje Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "James Palmer" Cc: "fot" , lotusgagne at rogers.com Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 03:19:05 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Nomination Not only is Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?. No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Tue Jun 18 06:33:03 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FBF528@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Allen - I would contact either of the following: The Roadster Factory (800) 234-1104 Team Triumph (330) 392-7176 Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Allen Washatko via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 11:08 PM To: FOT Subject: [External] [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fot-2Dracing.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=f2Tku6gjYmWXcoVmIeVMpidKme7jxInKh4bURoEKGps&e= Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=qA0ToACu8sD2O2PWeH9mNf70e35V5wjbh099mCY8ljQ&e= Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=8LBPN8cxgnNCzK7v582EboztiUpRm58KXQ1c1-Ab_5E&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_fot&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=tf0479IQpOxyHFyo86hfBpCoj8cyqc57HEQC12MBabc&e= Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_fot_lawrenceross-40allstate.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=nGF21jFf_izB4tLw0gNdkdHekCeBmrHC8uOb--amTfs&e= From chip at theukmotorsports.com Tue Jun 18 06:51:40 2019 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:51:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 > Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deweerdm at rogers.com Tue Jun 18 07:02:04 2019 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (Mike Deweerd) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission Message-ID: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 08:24:51 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs | | | | | | | | | | | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife | | | Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.png Type: image/png Size: 514314 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jun 18 08:41:13 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings Message-ID: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> The VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport continues to be the thrill of my racing calendar. The Canadians are really great hosts, spectacular competitors, and it's all about good, hard, clean racing. The off-track activities are pretty special as well, VARAC's president does double duty as the event chair. I think this was his fourth year doing it, so all the off-track stuff runs like clockwork. And the track... Just ask anybody who ever ran Mosport! VARAC has always gridded races based on your finishing position of the last race, not by best lap of the weekend. You are challenged to run hard every lap, and if you are a DNS/DNF, you start in the back for the next race. Plus, VARAC changed their format on run groups a year or two ago, now we are essentially Bracket Racing! You state within a 5 second window what class you want to be in, and they group all the Historic cars accordingly. (The Classic (newer, heavier) cars do the same thing, but in their own run groups) For every lap you break out of your minimum time, you get penalized one lap, so your starting position gets pushed back. Our own Mike Moore had a spectacular weekend but kept running 1:44's busting his bracket, so his starts were further and further back, but the smile on his face made it clear his was having a ball. The Triumph/MG Challenge race was another win for Triumph! When the finishing order has Triumphs in the top 4 spots, it's tough to fudge the math to give the honors to the Octagon Guys. Plus, after our 4th place car crossed the finish line the starter waited 57 seconds for the first MG to make it around! We kicked butt. We had only 6 Triumphs there, plenty of room for more next year! Henry From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jun 18 08:49:04 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> Message-ID: <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. Russ From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM To: Chip Collingwood Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 18 08:52:16 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings In-Reply-To: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> References: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <299191966.3113984.1560869536053@mail.yahoo.com> HOORAY for our side! Was it not the site of the very first Kastner Cup, with Uncle Jack as its first winner? And VARAC certainly is a gracious host. I only raced there once, and yet I still have dreams about Turn TWO. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 7:41 am Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings The VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport continues to be the thrill of my racing calendar. The Canadians are really great hosts, spectacular competitors, and it's all about good, hard, clean racing. The off-track activities are pretty special as well, VARAC's president does double duty as the event chair. I think this was his fourth year doing it, so all the off-track stuff runs like clockwork. And the track... Just ask anybody who ever ran Mosport! VARAC has always gridded races based on your finishing position of the last race, not by best lap of the weekend. You are challenged to run hard every lap, and if you are a DNS/DNF, you start in the back for the next race. Plus, VARAC changed their format on run groups a year or two ago, now we are essentially Bracket Racing! You state within a 5 second window what class you want to be in, and they group all the Historic cars accordingly. (The Classic (newer, heavier) cars do the same thing, but in their own run groups) For every lap you break out of your minimum time, you get penalized one lap, so your starting position gets pushed back. Our own Mike Moore had a spectacular weekend but kept running 1:44's busting his bracket, so his starts were further and further back, but the smile on his face made it clear his was having a ball. The Triumph/MG Challenge race was another win for Triumph! When the finishing order has Triumphs in the top 4 spots, it's tough to fudge the math to give the honors to the Octagon Guys. Plus, after our 4th place car crossed the finish line the starter waited 57 seconds for the first MG to make it around! We kicked butt. We had only 6 Triumphs there, plenty of room for more next year! Henry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at CompsNW.com Tue Jun 18 08:53:59 2019 From: agb at CompsNW.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A Alec Buchan Sent from the field on my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > > The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. > > Russ > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Chip Collingwood > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > Allen, > > I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. > > Chip > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.c.cutter at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:02:58 2019 From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. Cheers, Dave [image: Headlight Rings.JPG] [image: Spit_Headlights.JPG] On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure > out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers > on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love > the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would > like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I > understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, > which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around > it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight > ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass > bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit > inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight > buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with > screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other > thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the > necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to > bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m > talking about > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Headlight Rings.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 143767 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Spit_Headlights.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 49083 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:14:51 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks David, Jonathan just called. I forgot to mention the decals to him. I should run a FOT special, if anybody else wants them. Pegasus has them and Moss is picking them up, soon. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 18, 2019, at 10:02 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:34:22 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AA2D57-0DCA-4BE9-B03C-343C40A9FCAE@gmail.com> My headlamp rings have 3 aluminum tabs pop riveted on with a hole drilled in them for a bolt to go through holes in the bonnet... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about > > > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Jun 18 10:01:02 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 18:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> Message-ID: <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> In the Moss Europe catalogues, all doors have the same part number : TR4 to TR6 till 1973 (also european and US models have the same doors). After 1973 the TR6 doors had a different part number because of some reinforcement against accidents. Also TR4 doors are slanted at the B-post are they not? Sorry to be pedantic but I believe if someone has a spare TR4 door, it will fit for Allens car. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Spitfire Racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 16:53:59 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A Alec Buchan Sent from the field on my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. Russ From: Fot [ [ mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net | mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] ] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM To: Chip Collingwood Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jun 18 10:06:12 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <33BD59DF-AB1A-4D13-9427-E23B56D0E76E@aol.com> Allen; I also have a door. Most likely a TR4 or 4A. I am in Massachusetts. May or may not be closer than Chip. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:01 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > In the Moss Europe catalogues, all doors have the same part number : TR4 to TR6 till 1973 (also european and US models have the same doors). After 1973 the TR6 doors had a different part number because of some reinforcement against accidents. > Also TR4 doors are slanted at the B-post are they not? Sorry to be pedantic but I believe if someone has a spare TR4 door, it will fit for Allens car. > Marcel > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Spitfire Racing" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 16:53:59 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A > > Alec Buchan > Sent from the field on my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > > The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. > > Russ > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Chip Collingwood > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > Allen, > > I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. > > Chip > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 18 10:19:28 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> Nice summary!? I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack.? Work of art.? Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it.? No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the > one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this > gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the > J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in > stock and there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these > to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this > setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the > best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the > 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the > layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end > float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the > case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really > hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a > new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double > bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they > seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, > the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the > stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality > consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to > know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent > oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can > stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or > more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks > switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where > I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems > like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses > and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at > Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock > Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, > 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. > And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. > Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive > that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if > there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But > you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 > is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is > do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist > and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is > the best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the > close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical > gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jun 18 10:54:23 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:54:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com>, <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 10:56:09 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This email is a keeper. Nice job!. I would add that for those of use that have the spare later TR6 trannies to work with, the Dolomite gear sets are a bargain priced solution. I built one for the Ex-Lemons/Chump Beanito's TR6 with a J-type overdrive that everyone loved at COTA. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:25 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one > source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. > Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type > overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and > there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to > pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for > around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total > gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft > needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the > layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are > some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. > One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one > from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've > had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better > than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets > pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock > and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of > replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're > getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying > attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more > than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to > Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm > at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the > most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In > the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 > transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there > is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which > is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds > which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more > $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't > researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an > option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A > drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell > housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a > competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the > best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close > ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 11:12:48 2019 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:12:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: That?s what I did to. I just pop riveted the ring to the fiberglass hood. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 11:02 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about >> >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jun 18 14:11:50 2019 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:11:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is basically my setup too. Except... 1. The left ?headlight? is actually the original Spitfire hubcap, cut down to fit. 2. The right side is a screen over a duct to the carbs. Rocky Entriken From: David Cutter via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:02 AM To: Jonathan Wright Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racecar headlight question Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. Cheers, Dave On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about Jon Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony Drews" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs ] [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife ] Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 16:40:18 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:40:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54252057-1BFF-4955-819E-AD1675C0CCA3@gmail.com> The cold air port is prohibited with VARA unless period raced that way. Same with front spoilers even though they were permitted by the 1972 GCR. Pictures from 1972 allowed my spoiler in... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 1:11 PM, Rocky Entriken via Fot wrote: > > This is basically my setup too. Except... > > 1. The left ?headlight? is actually the original Spitfire hubcap, cut down to fit. > 2. The right side is a screen over a duct to the carbs. > > > > Rocky Entriken > > From: David Cutter via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:02 AM > To: Jonathan Wright > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racecar headlight question > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about >> >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Wed Jun 19 05:13:30 2019 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:13:30 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. > Marcel. > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Tony Drews" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > > I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . > T > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. > > When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > metatags generator > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. > > Do I have a second? > > These are his cars > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Wed Jun 19 06:40:54 2019 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:40:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, can you add Peter to the email list. Peter Popplewell ppopplewell at gmail.com Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 Fax: 888-865-5279 Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. From: Paul Ricco Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:39 AM To: Michael Moore Cc: fot ; Peter Popplewell Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Second On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Michael Moore via Fot > wrote: I would like to nominate Peter Popplewell for the FOT. I met him at Mosport this past weekend, he lives in Ottawa. He and his dad own two Triumphs and a XK150. He wants to get into vintage racing in a TR6. I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. Do I have a second? These are his cars Thanks, Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jun 19 09:44:00 2019 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Message-ID: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Friends, For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. But was curious what other sizes are being used. Thanks Todd From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 19 10:39:50 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: Hi Todd; It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 12:50:04 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:50:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net>, Message-ID: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:24:12 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:24:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every > where we go. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hi Todd; > > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel > rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 > inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> > >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a > useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 13:31:04 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:31:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> , Message-ID: <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar > wrote: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:45:01 2019 From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:45:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Message-ID: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:56:39 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:56:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: The GCR, circa 1972 permitted 1? wider than stock... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:24 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? > > >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hi Todd; >> > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. >> > Phil Gott >> > 114 TR4A >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> Friends, >> >> >> >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Wed Jun 19 13:56:32 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: > We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but > require some fitment for clearance. > > > > Jeff Snook > > 419-344-0319 > > www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 14:04:45 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:04:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com>, Message-ID: SVRA only allows 6 ? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot > wrote: 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot > wrote: We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Jun 19 14:12:31 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:12:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: <2A959D76-ED69-47E2-A0BC-7E8CDEA8D067@aol.com> VSCCA even less! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:04 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > SVRA only allows 6 ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > >> 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: >>> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeff Snook >>> >>> 419-344-0319 >>> >>> www.snooksdreamcars.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jun 19 14:20:28 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: <601349874.501781.1560975628238@connect.xfinity.com> I like the Speedsters for my TR3. 185/65. CSRG allows a 60 series and a 205/60 will fit on the TR3, but they are close. I had to relieve/grind the leaf springs for Yokohama 048s (radial) to fit and I rolled the fender lip too. I found that the tires rubbed the springs in turns with only 1/4 to 3/8" static clearance before grinding the springs. Keep in mind that different tires may and usually do, require camber adjustments. I didn't change mine for the Yokos which was probably needed for best results. The 185 Speedsters (semi-radial) rub the rolled fender slightly on one side. The fender should be pulled out a little there, the other side is fine. I use the Hoosier Vintage TDs (bias-ply) for the Rolex race, they are 5.50x15. Dave H. > On June 19, 2019 at 8:44 AM Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a > useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jun 19 14:23:46 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1532683834.501859.1560975827034@connect.xfinity.com> Oh, I have Panasport wheels both 5.5" and 6" sets. Dave H. > On June 19, 2019 at 8:44 AM Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a > useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From bownes at web9.com Wed Jun 19 14:40:38 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: Even on stock rims? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:04 PM John H. Hasty wrote: > SVRA only allows 6 ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot > wrote: > > 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot > wrote: > >> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but >> require some fitment for clearance. >> >> >> >> Jeff Snook >> >> 419-344-0319 >> >> www.snooksdreamcars.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ppopplewell at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 06:56:24 2019 From: ppopplewell at gmail.com (Peter Popplewell) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 08:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great news, thanks guys....excited to join the group and to learn more! Cheers, Peter Popplewell On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:38 AM Paul Ricco wrote: > Second > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Michael Moore via Fot > wrote: > > I would like to nominate Peter Popplewell for the FOT. > > I met him at Mosport this past weekend, he lives in Ottawa. He and his dad > own two Triumphs and a XK150. He wants to get into vintage racing in a TR6. > I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he > is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. > > Do I have a second? > > These are his cars > > > > > *Thanks, Mike* > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 15:09:29 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> Message-ID: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: > From: Joe Alexander > Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT > To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com > Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > > > https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Wed Jun 19 15:28:31 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55D504B8-490E-46B4-9755-702BA454A198@att.net> Second! Hope to see Paul at the K-cup. Paul Ricco > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT: > > Please read the TR Register report. > > And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! > > Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Joe Alexander > >> Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT >> To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. >> >> >> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jun 19 15:48:27 2019 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:48:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com>, <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please let me be the one to second someone running appropriate WIRE WHEELS! Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Joe Alexander > Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Wed Jun 19 15:53:37 2019 From: tobeirne at skillpro.com.au (=?utf-8?B?VGVycnkgT+KAmUJlaXJuZQ==?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:53:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. ________________________________ Van: "fot" > Aan: "Tony Drews" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 15:55:37 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:55:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: John Do you still have those 5 1/2" Panapsorts on that car from when I had it? It came with 6" wide steel "circle track" wheels and remember rolling a baseball bat under the rear fenders to get clearance on the drivers side when the 195-60-15 Yokohama 008r supply dried up. I went to the Panasports that were still available in 5 1/2 back then, I still have a very heavy set of steel wheels is someone desires them. Somehow they came back to me. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 1:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every > where we go. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hi Todd; > > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel > rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 > inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> > >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a > useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 19 16:08:45 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> , <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Or build 1 and buy the original which is being sold. From: John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:31 PM To: John Styduhar Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier size Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar wrote: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jun 19 16:13:54 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 00:13:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <168285512.230051012.1560982434911.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The conversion to ball bearings sdeems very interesting. What size of ball bearings can be used? Doesn't it weaken the part on wich the countergears are mounted too much? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Geoff Byrne" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 juni 2019 23:53:37 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "Tony Drews" < [ mailto:tony at tonydrews.com | tony at tonydrews.com ] > Cc: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs ] Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive%20 | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jun 19 16:16:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 22:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14433921.43372.1560982596876@mail.yahoo.com> I should say.? That's a lot of 'spinning weight'. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Henry A. Morrison via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net ; Joe Alexander Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2019 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. #yiv9282208375 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Please let me be the one to second someone running appropriate WIRE WHEELS! Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S.?FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. ?A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Joe Alexander Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: ?319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 19 18:31:42 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Regarding 7 inch wheels: in HRG (Historic Race Group - the old Volvo Historic Series) the max allowed wheel width is 8 inches. This group runs per the 1983 SCCA GCR, which allows flared fenders. Other groups have different rules, which is why the first question is ?what are the rules under which you run?? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > Or build 1 and buy the original which is being sold. > > From: John H. Hasty via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:31 PM > To: John Styduhar > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier size > > Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar wrote: >> >> Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? >> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >>> Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Todd; >>> > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. >>> > Phil Gott >>> > 114 TR4A >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Friends, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >>> >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> Todd >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> fot at autox.team.net >>> >> >>> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >> >>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 04:33:25 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 05:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. References: <8627087.4093.1561021558761.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <61D431F0-7BE3-4639-969B-9C4C169E5D38@gmail.com> John Davies nominates Paul Hogan. > From: JOHN DAVIES > Date: June 20, 2019 at 4:05:58 AM CDT > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > Reply-To: john.r.davies at btinternet.com > > I will second Paul. > He is a past-chairman of the TR Register, and the owner of the magnificent TR3S replica of the car that raced at Le Mans in - forgive me - 1958? I crewed for Paul when he entered that car at the 2016 Classic Le Mans, and the Silverstone Classic, and can attest that he is a thorough TR man and racer. > > John > ----Original message---- > From : fot at autox.team.net > Date : 19/06/2019 - 22:09 (GMTST) > To : fot at autox.team.net > Cc : p-hogan at btconnect.com > Subject : [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > > FOT: > > Please read the TR Register report. > > And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! > > Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Joe Alexander >> Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT >> To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. >> >> >> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 20 08:10:55 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:10:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List numbers Message-ID: The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360.? It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. For some of the new folks a little history.? This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net.? At one point, there were about 65 active lists going.? Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at http://autox.team.net/archive There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it.? Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough!? I am FINISHED with this [...]"? Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days.? But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem.? I will do what I can to keep it that way. mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 08:16:03 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 09:16:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36B077DA-AF6E-4AB7-AC28-56DDA07D8F6A@gmail.com> Mark, Thank you for your service. We presume you will attend the next Kastner Cup? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. > > For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. > > These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo > > And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. > > I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. I will do what I can to keep it that way. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jun 20 09:36:29 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 15:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457164776.346646.1561044989290@mail.yahoo.com> KUDOS! ? Kudos to you, Mark! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2019 7:11 am Subject: [Fot] List numbers The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360.? It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. For some of the new folks a little history.? This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net.? At one point, there were about 65 active lists going.? Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at http://autox.team.net/archive There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it.? Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough!? I am FINISHED with this [...]"? Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days.? But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem.? I will do what I can to keep it that way. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Thu Jun 20 09:45:46 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 11:45:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. Bob On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It > seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. > > For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in > December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which > was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, > british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active > lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now > everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, > blogs, club forums, whatever. > > These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 > lists, which can be found at > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo > > And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. > > I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of > love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life > doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and > say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went > belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight > days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. > I will do what I can to keep it that way. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 09:53:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:53:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! I had no idea. Thank you very much! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It >> seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. >> >> For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in >> December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which >> was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, >> british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active >> lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now >> everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, >> blogs, club forums, whatever. >> >> These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 >> lists, which can be found at >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo >> >> And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. >> >> I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of >> love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life >> doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and >> say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went >> belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight >> days. 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Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled *Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story.* *https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI * Do I have a second? [image: 1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 55816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 11:40:00 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> Cool car...second! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:37 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT. Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT. He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata. Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project. See attached picture. > > Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen. Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT. Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story. > > https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI > > Do I have a second? > > <1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 20 18:03:56 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:03:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all > these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely > as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the > 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the > infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so > graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain > turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend > Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net > community by myself. As an early and memorable > domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The > answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS.? The usual suspects stepped up and really helped out, I am quite thankful for that. I thought that Team.Net was registered on April 11th, a day that I usually celebrate for another reason. And as for people appreciating the efforts I have put into this experiment, I was pleasantly surprised when I visited this web page. http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/ Aleady looking forward to the 2020 Kastner Cup. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 20 18:48:29 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 20:48:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> References: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Clicking through on the link to the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, there are quite a number of Triumph/FOT types seemingly up for vote. I can?t find any mention of when voting ends, or when the next ceremony is. The last one was June 2, 2018. Anyone know? On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS. The usual suspects stepped up and really helped out, I am quite thankful for that. I thought that Team.Net was registered on April 11th, a day that I usually celebrate for another reason. And as for people appreciating the efforts I have put into this experiment, I was pleasantly surprised when I visited this web page. http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/ Aleady looking forward to the 2020 Kastner Cup. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 19:17:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 20:17:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1CBA9CBE-3B50-45A3-A159-19AFD5BBFE5E@gmail.com> Scott, and all. I was involved with the Class on 2 June 18. No new class is scheduled at this time. The Hall of Fame is dormant. There is an effort afoot to continue it. There was a meeting on the east coast last week. The agenda was initially about Archives and a British Car Museum. Then we discussed integrating the Hall of Fame into the Planning. More on all of this when we know more. This affects us all. Regards, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, IA 50648 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Clicking through on the link to the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, there are quite a number of Triumph/FOT types seemingly up for vote. I can?t find any mention of when voting ends, or when the next ceremony is. The last one was June 2, 2018. > Anyone know? > > On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > >> On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: >> >> I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. >> >> On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. >> >> Bob > > > Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS. The usual suspects stepped up and really helped out, I am quite thankful for that. > > I thought that Team.Net was registered on April 11th, a day that I usually celebrate for another reason. > > And as for people appreciating the efforts I have put into this experiment, I was pleasantly surprised when I visited this web page. > > http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/ > > > Aleady looking forward to the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Kramer On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 5:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi FOT, > > A philosophic statement: > > With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments > about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does > it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. > > The answer is very simple. > > Kas showed me everything. > > I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right > answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and > how to deal with other drivers. > > I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated > ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did > serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. > > This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, > with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. > > So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say > that they know it better? > > Conclusion: > > Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not > listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am > Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen > > Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were > in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a > problem at Assen). > > After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race > 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. > He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and > shared in race 3 with me the last row. > > > > Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way > through the strong field of cars ahead. > > > > Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an > unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 > seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because > I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the > furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and > bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 16:50:52 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:50:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> <000201d52551$c2550c70$46ff2550$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, how about an example of advice from Kas to share with the group. Thanks On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi FOT, > > A philosophic statement: > > With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments > about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does > it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. > > The answer is very simple. > > Kas showed me everything. > > I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right > answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and > how to deal with other drivers. > > I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated > ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did > serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. > > This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, > with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. > > So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say > that they know it better? > > Conclusion: > > Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not > listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am > Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen > > Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were > in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a > problem at Assen). > > After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race > 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. > He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and > shared in race 3 with me the last row. > > > > Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way > through the strong field of cars ahead. > > > > Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an > unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 > seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because > I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the > furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and > bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 21 16:58:49 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 00:58:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> <000201d52551$c2550c70$46ff2550$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401d52884$e451fc30$acf5f490$@gmail.com> Hi John, not easy to choose from 8000 mails I?ve got from Kas, so I take one of them from 2016: I was working on engine temperature on the TR8 and Kas had some input on this. ?Good point on the restrictor plate. Ease of mind. Thirty minutes is along LONG time to just sit and idle. I presume the fan is electric. On my racing TR-3 (fan on the crankshaft) I used a lot of big wrench to adjust the steel base of the blades flat. We were required to run the fan in those days, but no one ever spotted the fact that my blades were flat. About 4-5 hp I figured at 6000.? Cheers Chris Von: John Styduhar Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juni 2019 00:51 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris, how about an example of advice from Kas to share with the group. Thanks On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Jun 22 02:55:25 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:55:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about the same time in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship. I had already 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 2011 I had an advance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall in 2010 and 2011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, me in the first place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 he did beat me for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favourite track. By then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he was working with Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I could beat Chris : I finished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerfull, but maybe there was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't beat him anymore. His determination, Kas helping him to the full and his experience with the TR8, with wich he is competing in much faster championships, has ironed him to a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot from the books of Kas and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engine and dyno work but since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping me in the chassis department. In there is small possibility, I will try to beat Chris once again : this is only possible if my car is better than his. But with 67 years old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only give someone specific advice if he knows your car of course, all general information about racing Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguements over the years, but we always kept talking to each other and over the years, although we are different characters, mutual respect has grown. I have to add that I have great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost him an awful lot of work and time and money and he got more than a fair share of heavy blows along the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champion! I will post a lead to a video of the same race at the Assen circuit, onboard of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drilled by accident in the microphone lead Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 00:03:53 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Jun 22 04:29:45 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:29:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Another video of the Assen race of June16th2019 In-Reply-To: <1852245884.13473209.1561198742872.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1852245884.13473209.1561198742872.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <608223615.13555238.1561199385920.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The spinning mauve Triumph is the TR5 of Bruno Dwinger who won the Tiumph Competition and British GT championship some 17 years ago. Bruno Dwinger is a well known german Triumph specialist in Europe. Now his nephew is starting to race with that same car. Trh green TR4 that hit the bollards is Philippe Vermast, bending a steering rod in the accident. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 12:19:02 Onderwerp: [Fot] Another video of the Assen race of June16th2019 https://youtu.be/ykXYTXdT7J0 This is another video of the same race at Assen, from 6'10" onwards. I'm in the red/blue striped TR4a (bought from Bob Kramer in 2014) Chris Marx and Philippe Vermast are starting the race from the last row. Marcel _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 07:59:31 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 08:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 Message-ID: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> FOT: We are looking for a sponsor or sponsors for the Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Even a partial sponsorship is welcome. Marty Sukey is looking at sizes & costs, right now. We will get our expenses paid, in full, one way or another. But this might be an opportunity for a commercial entity or entities to be front row center at what has been the biggest Triumph Event in North America. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jun 22 08:24:37 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> References: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1816731372.425787.1561213477093@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... I pledge a $100.00 'seed money' contribution. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2019 6:59 am Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 FOT: We are looking for a sponsor or sponsors for the Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent.? Even a partial sponsorship is welcome. Marty Sukey is looking at sizes & costs, right now. We will get our expenses paid, in full, one way or another. But this might be an opportunity for a commercial entity or entities to be front row center at what has been the biggest Triumph Event in North America. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Jun 22 09:24:47 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission Message-ID: <38626.1561217087@mitchelplumbing.com> https://www.facebook.com/1 629062980688213/posts/2296 624013932103/ On Wed 19/06/19 2:53 PM , Terry O?Beirne via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent: > I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft > almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement > syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the > need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily > still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but > as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? > Terry > > Another down under racer > FROM: Fot ON BEHALF OF Geoff Byrne via Fot > SENT: 19 June 2019 21:14 > TO: van.mulders.marcel at telenet .be > CC: fot > SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the > synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to > a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a > third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle > bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with > ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining > but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for > me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still > perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. > > If anyone is interested in details email me > > Regards > > Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have > been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these > sets are available now. > > Marcel. > ------------------------ - > VAN: "fot" > AAN: "Tony Drews" > CC: "fot" > VERZONDEN: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 > ONDERWERP: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should > you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved > part numbers . > > T > > Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset > uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger > input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the > stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi- stock bearings. > > When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really > like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear > ratios work well. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Hi, > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the > one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs [6] > DENNIS VESSEY - QUAIFE GEAR KITS FOR TRIUMPH TRS > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog- Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this > gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the > J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in > stock and there was no production scheduled. > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these > to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this > setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the > best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the > 16-tooth 1st laygear. > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the > layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end > float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the > case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end > float. > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really > hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a > new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double > bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they > seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, > the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the > stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality > consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to > know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent > oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can > stay ahead of problems. > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or > more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks > switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where > I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems > like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses > and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at > Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock > Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, > 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. > And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. > Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive > that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if > there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But > you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 > is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is > do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist > and more $$$. ;-) > Regards, > > Bob Lang > > 339-927-4489 > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > Amici > > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is > the best source for getting such > > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs > the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still > helical gears) > > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > > Cheers > > Mike Deweerd #77 > Sent from my iPhone > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [9] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [10] > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [11]http://www.team.net/pi permail/fot [12] > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/robertlang tr6 at yahoo.com [13] > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [15] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [16] > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [17] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [18] > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/tony at tonyd rews.com [19] > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [21] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [22] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [23] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [24] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/horizonrac ing at msn.com [25] > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [27] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [28] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [29] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [30] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/van.mulder s.marcel at telenet.be > [31] > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [33] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [34] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [35] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [36] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/gkbyrne at op tushome.com.au > [37] > > > Links: > ------ > [6] > http://www.vessey- classic-car- services.co.uk/triumph- gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7 > n64[9] http://www.fot- racing.com > [10] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [11] http://autox.team.net/arch ive%20 > [12] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [13] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/robertlang tr6 at yahoo.com > [15] http://www.fot- racing.com > [16] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [17] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [18] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [19] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/tony at tonyd rews.com > [21] http://www.fot- racing.com > [22] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [23] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [24] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [25] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/horizonrac ing at msn.com > [27] http://www.fot- racing.com > [28] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [29] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [30] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [31] > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/van.mulder s.marcel at telenet.be > [33] http://www.fot- racing.com > [34] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [35] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [36] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [37] > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/gkbyrne at op tushome.com.au > > From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jun 22 11:40:51 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:40:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <65E6F850-CAD4-4D28-B606-0118519077B8@me.com> References: <65E6F850-CAD4-4D28-B606-0118519077B8@me.com> Message-ID: <4DA936F4-F97D-4685-9E33-1440481C1B5F@me.com> I just watched this last night. For any of you who have not yet viewed, it is a must. Great videography, fascinating story, two legendary figures totally at ease with each other, and to hear Peter Brock talk about the design is truly insightful. The car running at the recent Kastner Cup sounds fantastic, which adds to the fun. It really is a design that would look contemporary even if produced for the first time today. Thanks to everyone involved - this is a fantastic addition to the history of the Triumph marque, and a great look at what the guys who designed and made them into race cars back in the day (in the U.S.) were thinking about. > From: John Linney via Fot > > Date: June 11, 2019 at 3:56:46 PM EDT > To: John Linney via Fot > > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock > Reply-To: John Linney > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 22 17:47:23 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race videos from Blackhawk Farms last weekend Message-ID: <4b0e21bf-6e69-32d0-c5de-ff0b4589fffc@tonydrews.com> For those who like these... Got the race videos from Blackhawk Farms Raceway last weekend put together. Here's the first one - Saturday morning "Sprint" race. All of the races except the final "Pursuit" race were well fought. Anyhoo, here's race 1: https://youtu.be/UgHc0YEDO38 Here's the Saturday afternoon "Heat" race: https://youtu.be/bLPs54hIVTY Here's the Sunday morning "Feature" race on a drying track: https://youtu.be/XgJw-W5gtRU And finally, here's the Dad's Day Scramble pursuit race from Sunday afternoon: https://youtu.be/sgv0ecD5fd4 Cheers, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jun 23 01:29:54 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1377235983.20912616.1561274994714.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Of course, there are and have been a lot of very capable people but Kas in the Triumph racing community. But if someone wants to learn about Triumph race cars, Kas is the most obvious source, because of his books and the fact that he is even today still busy and genuinely interested in racing Triumphs, and of course, what he says has been proven. So I would like to do justice, we have to appreciate the work of all the people who tried and succeeded in making Triumphs faster and now and then really very fast, Marcel Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "tr4racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 10:55:25 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about the same time in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship. I had already 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 2011 I had an advance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall in 2010 and 2011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, me in the first place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 he did beat me for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favourite track. By then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he was working with Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I could beat Chris : I finished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerfull, but maybe there was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't beat him anymore. His determination, Kas helping him to the full and his experience with the TR8, with wich he is competing in much faster championships, has ironed him to a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot from the books of Kas and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engine and dyno work but since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping me in the chassis department. In there is small possibility, I will try to beat Chris once again : this is only possible if my car is better than his. But with 67 years old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only give someone specific advice if he knows your car of course, all general information about racing Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguements over the years, but we always kept talking to each other and over the years, although we are different characters, mutual respect has grown. I have to add that I have great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost him an awful lot of work and time and money and he got more than a fair share of heavy blows along the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champion! I will post a lead to a video of the same race at the Assen circuit, onboard of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drilled by accident in the microphone lead Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 00:03:53 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. 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URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 24 06:44:31 2019 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 22:44:31 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006801d52a8a$93264570$b972d050$@optusnet.com.au> Terry I would love to have the details on how you set up the box with tapered bearing I was not able to come up with a satisfactory method of fixing and sealing Regards Geoff From: Terry O?Beirne [mailto:tobeirne at skillpro.com.au] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:54 AM To: Geoff Byrne; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 transmission I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony Drews" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nicholls 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos "Reality, it's not what you think." From: Clark W. Nicholls [mailto:cwnicholls at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:17 AM To: cwnfot at gmail.com Subject: Fwd: VSCCA White Mountain Vintage Grand Prix August 2 - 3... Expanded Entry Opportunities View this email in your browser Important announcement regarding the VSCCA White Mountain Vintage Grand Prix Friday- Saturday, August 2-3, 2019 at Club Motorsports, Tamworth NH * In order to make sure the club covers its costs regarding the WMVGP at Tamworth the board has decided to open up car eligibility and invite members and non-members alike with cars that meet the following criteria: * Cars manufactured up to 1970 * Front engine * Four (4) cylinders * Original body configuration (no spoilers, fender flares, wings). Short windshields or Brooklands-type windscreens acceptable. Bumpers are not required. * Treaded tires, no low profile or unusually wide. Hoosier TD and TDR acceptable under new VSCCA regulations. * Muffled ? there is a sound restriction of 92dB which is local ordinance * Have a current logbook issued by a VMC organization, or * Meet existing VSCCA car regulations Entering Drivers must meet the usual VMC guidelines ? current VMC license, current medical, not on probation with any club. The first 20 non-members who enter cars meeting those criteria will be accepted into the event, after that there will be a waiting list. We hope you will enter your VSCCA eligible car however you are welcome to enter a car you have that meets these guidelines and please encourage friends that have these types of cars to enter. If you have questions or know of someone who might be interested please contact Event Chair Mark O?Day at mdoday at comcast.net or 603-580-5827. Photos of the aforementioned cars would be appreciated. VSCCA members can enter online at vscc.org or members and non-members can send an entry and check for $450 to Mark O?Day at 61 Wild Pasture Road, Kensington, NH 03833. Copyright ? 2019 Vintage Sports Car Club of America, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website. Our mailing address is: Vintage Sports Car Club of America 42 Colonial Way Short Hills, NJ 07078-1813 Add us to your address book Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp Virus-free. www.avg.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodkent at cox.net Wed Jun 26 19:39:13 2019 From: rodkent at cox.net (CHARLES KENT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings Message-ID: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 26 20:37:53 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) from www.bpnorthwest.com.? I also have them ceramic coated by Calico coatings.? I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in 15+ years of hard racing. I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too.? Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. Regards, Tony Drews On 6/26/2019 8:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: > > Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was > wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best > choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would > certainly be appreciated. thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 20:52:49 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: They are King tri-metal bearings made in Israel. I used them in the Spitfire and will give Tony?s fancy coating next time around. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) from www.bpnorthwest.com. I also have them ceramic coated by Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in 15+ years of hard racing. > > I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > > Regards, Tony Drews > >> On 6/26/2019 8:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: >> Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Jun 27 03:56:06 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) > from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by > Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in > 15+ years of hard racing. > > I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. > Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jun 27 04:10:49 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: My machine shop recommended the King Tri metal bearings and Calico coating for my TR4A. Said they run them in 600 HP SB Chevys with good results. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:56 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. > >> On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) >> from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by >> Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in >> 15+ years of hard racing. >> I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. >> Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 27 06:24:56 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings - In-Reply-To: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <70BBE9B8-4934-44D8-950B-D4A8C41339C9@me.com> My experience is with my GT6, but should be very similar to your TR6. I get my bearings from Richard Good at GoodParts.com . They are sold as King tri-metal bearings and come in King boxes, but they usually have ?County? stamped on them. There?s an old commentary on the web from Uncle Jack, who said he investigated that, and King told him County was their largest customer, so a lot of bearings are stamped County. Anyway, I?ve been running these for years. In my experience, they hold up pretty well. By that I mean after three race seasons (call it five-six race weekends a year) the rod bearings need to be replaced due to mild wear. The rods go a bit quicker than the mains. I?ve been running them with a Calico coating for the past few years, and they do hold up better, but eventually the coating wears through too. Richard will ship directly to Calico, and Calico?s turn-around is only a few days, so it doesn?t take much extra effort to go this route. The Calico coating seems to add about 1-2 10,000" to the bearing thickness. For comparison, I run 20-50 Penngrade partial synthetic (the former Brad Penn), and peak revs are about 7000; with the occasional 7300 or so. Scott Janzen 68 GT6 On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd > On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > Curious question: > > I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. > > Size says 5.50-9.20-15 > > What size would this be in today's sizing? > > Thanks > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodkent at cox.net Thu Jun 27 15:01:49 2019 From: rodkent at cox.net (charles r kent) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings Message-ID: <8cnbfscxwtdd5op4qicv3g61.1561669309702@email.android.com> Thanks so much for your input, much appreciated! On June 27, 2019, at 3:10 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: My machine shop recommended the King Tri metal bearings and Calico coating for my TR4A. Said they run them in 600 HP SB Chevys with good results. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:56 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. > >> On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) >> from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by >> Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in >> 15+ years of hard racing. >> I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. >> Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rodkent at cox.net From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 15:29:47 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, that?s your first number. I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean by 9.20. Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be wrong). It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. Dustin Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. > > I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. > > FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 > > Todd > > > > > >> On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> >> Curious question: >> >> I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. >> >> Size says 5.50-9.20-15 >> >> What size would this be in today's sizing? >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 27 15:36:59 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:36:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87F25D1E6C9B4C4ABC1FB676390A3C01@Charly> Try this Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 https://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, that?s your first number. I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean by 9.20. Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be wrong). It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. Dustin Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, Curious question: I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. Size says 5.50-9.20-15 What size would this be in today's sizing? Thanks Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 15:51:24 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:51:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here is a modern add for a vintage set of Sports Car Specials that describes some of the dimensions. https://vintagewheelsus.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=357 *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:29 PM dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: > To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure > the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, > that?s your first number. > > I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The > bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give > you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean > by 9.20. > > Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 > inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width > gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... > but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. > > So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means > is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be > wrong). > > It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new > 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. > > Dustin > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. > > I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the > 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. > > FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 > > Todd > > > > On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: > > Friends, > > > Curious question: > > I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. > > Size says 5.50-9.20-15 > > What size would this be in today's sizing? > > Thanks > > Todd > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mzbarsky at yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 21:00:50 2019 From: mzbarsky at yahoo.com (mzbarsky at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 03:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> References: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks all! I look forward to getting my Triumph on track and joining everyone (fingers crossed for next season). In the meantime I need to build a motor. I have assembled some of what I need but much more to go. Would appreciate any leads on TR6 race goodies for sale or any sage advice on building a mild race motor. Looking for something fast, inexpensive and reliable...OK the latter two anyways. Mike Z On Thursday, June 20, 2019, 10:40:02 a.m. PDT, Brad Eells wrote: Cool car...second! Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:37 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT.? Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT.? He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata.? Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project.? See attached picture. Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen.? Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT.? Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled?Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story. https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI Do I have a second? <1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 28 07:27:18 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 07:27:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74406741-6d28-82b5-a916-5530b3cca89a@bradakis.com> On 6/27/19 9:00 PM, mzbarsky--- via Fot wrote: > Thanks all! I look forward to getting my Triumph on track and joining > everyone (fingers crossed for next season). > > ?Looking for something fast, inexpensive and reliable...OK the latter > two anyways. Fast, inexpensive, reliable.? Pick any 2. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 28 07:30:55 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights References: <1597663752.229585.1561728655713.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1597663752.229585.1561728655713@mail.yahoo.com> Word on the street says that publication was just sold to a conglomerate, marking the end of an era. Syd?Silverman started it many, many years ago. Randy Riggs is supposed to stay involved (at least for a while).Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, June 28, 2019,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Nice!? When I got home from Buttonwillow, I signed up for a year's subscription to Vintage Motorsport.? It arrived today, along with the Kastner Cup issue of the VTR magazine.? Such a deal!? Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Jun 28 07:37:02 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:37:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights Message-ID: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 28 09:16:54 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights In-Reply-To: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1421178251.281522.1561735014919@mail.yahoo.com> Mike... When I think of Syd Silverman, I remember a quiet, Guardian Angel of early vintage racing (late 1970s/early 1980s).? I am personally aware of several times when an event or affair was experiencing a revenue shortfall, Syd would step forward with his pen and check book and pick up the pieces.? And he did so quietly.? He was one of the most unpretentious people I ever met.? The other things I remember were the incredible cars he brought to events to race.? Stuff you normally only saw in pictures or behind velvet ropes in a museum.? He raced them.? Mike Silverman told me that when his Dad finally sold his collection, every penny went to charity. Great guy! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson To: Bill Dentinger ; fot Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2019 6:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mailbox Delights #yiv9142355766 #yiv9142355766 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv9142355766 Not just word on? the street.? I received an e-mail announcing it just the other day.? Think it went to every subscriber with a registered e-mail address. I'll miss my twice yearly conversations with Mike Silverman, Syd's son, who was the publisher until this deal. Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Jun 28, 2019 9:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mailbox Delights Word on the street says that publication was just sold to a conglomerate, marking the end of an era. Syd?Silverman started it many, many years ago. Randy Riggs is supposed to stay involved (at least for a while).Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, June 28, 2019,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Nice!? When I got home from Buttonwillow, I signed up for a year's subscription to Vintage Motorsport.? It arrived today, along with the Kastner Cup issue of the VTR magazine.? Such a deal!? Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 18:40:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 00:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <578556204.526109.1561768803685@mail.yahoo.com> Todd,Back in the day I could never get the 9.15's under the rear fenders. I ran 5.00x8.30x15 on my car. I ran the "W" part number which was not cataloged and you had to order them specifically (they were about 1/2" wider - hence the W suffix). Do not know if the 9.15's were available as a W tire so you may need to compare yours to others to determine any actual sizing.Anyway, I just compared a 5.00x8.30x15W to Yokohamas and Hoosiers. The Goodyear was almost as large as a Yoko A008 or Yoko Ao48's. Probably just a bit shorter than either of the 205x60x15 Yokos. The Hoosier Speedsters are a smidge smaller and are about a perfect match for my 5.00x8.30x15W tires.?Your Goodyear's are a bit bit larger than mine so the Yokohama Advan AO52's 205x60x15's would be about a perfect match. Other tires may be slightly different but the comparable size would be 205x60x15. If you want to go to a 50 series tire, will have to check actual measurements...can't help you with those. I'm tired...Nick of Nor Cal On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 2:19:51 PM EDT, Redmond via Fot wrote: I should've been a little bit more clear than mud.? I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, Curious question: I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jun 29 06:22:17 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:22:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car for sale Message-ID: Those of us in the east know Bill Thumel and his very successful Virginia Beach based race prep shop, Abacus. Apparently Bill is selling the real estate that houses some of his collection of race cars, and he is selling his personal TR4 racer. It's being sold as a roller, no engine or gearbox. It's been several years since it was on-track. I have no doubt that the car was prepped to a very high level, as all of Bill's cars are. The asking price is a very reasonable $5000, from the pictures that is a lot of car for the money. I found out about the car from Hank Giffin, a good friend of Bills, who just bought a TR3 racer from the collection. Hank has offered to be a go-between with Bill, and would be happy to deal with Bill and help make a sale happen. I would recommend anybody interested in taking Hank up on this offer! I have a few more photos, this is the best one showing the whole car, but was taken before Bill's drivetrain was pulled. Email me directly and I will forward the rest. Henry Frye -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20190523_162615CROP.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1865389 bytes Desc: not available URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jun 29 07:36:24 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. Can I hear a second? Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net Submitted by Henry Frye From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 07:54:22 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d176d90.1c69fb81.6d159.76da@mx.google.com> Second it is for a first rate guy. If nothing else he now has a TR3 race car. Dean T. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:36 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: hankgiffin at cox.net Subject: [Fot] Nomination It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. Can I hear a second? Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net Submitted by Henry Frye _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 08:00:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1CB5A9-BCA6-47D6-B57E-7C03817218E6@gmail.com> Of course! Welcome aboard. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 29, 2019, at 8:36 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. > > Can I hear a second? > > Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net > > Submitted by Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Jun 29 08:55:29 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:55:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <2135922928.1988.1561820129997@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm happy to second the nomination of Hank Giffin. Hank is an amazing guy! I couldnt ask for a better racing friend or a better BOD member for VDCA. His breadth of knowledge on a huge number of topics is astonishing. I am confident he will be a major asset to the FOT. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jun 29, 2019 9:36 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: hankgiffin at cox.net >Subject: [Fot] Nomination > >It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank >has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife >daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for >years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently >races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a >board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know >who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously >offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus >TR4. > >Can I hear a second? > >Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net > >Submitted by Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jun 29 15:00:47 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes Message-ID: Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jun 29 16:50:02 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 17:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DD6F733-1653-47F1-9FE6-C6E25C992FC2@icloud.com> Autocorrect got me. Looking to replace the Orings on the accusump piston and end caps. I can?t find the sizes listed anywhere. I found about 1/4 qt behind the piston (air side) when cleaning it today. Thanks. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 30 08:43:46 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:43:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed Message-ID: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the....? I'm clueless...next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails...................HELP!! Russ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 11:12:25 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed In-Reply-To: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> References: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1579755925.626249.1561914745761@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Russ,? I am guessing you are having a bandwidth issue when trying to view from the memory card or camera. ?It?s probably the speed of the USB port you are using limiting the video playback quality. ? Try downloading onto a hard drive and I bet the files are fine; just too high quality for how you are trying to view. I hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:43 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? ? I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! ? Russ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 12:31:10 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed In-Reply-To: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> References: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <6F44EAE2-792A-4DA7-8428-6E54C366E87F@ponostyle.com> You don?t need a guru, you need a fast enough pipe between your media and your computer. Your USB port is probably too slow. Even an older hard drive might be too slow. You can either record in a lower resolution or probably just copy the file to a hard drive to view it. If that doesn?t work you might need to update your laptop to something fast enough, preferably something with anSSD (solid state drive). People record stuff in 4k and don?t realize what that means for bandwidth requirements. > On Jun 30, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot > wrote: > > I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. > Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? > > I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! > My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Jun 30 10:39:39 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed References: <1711193253.944113.1561912779740.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1711193253.944113.1561912779740@mail.yahoo.com> For God's sake, Russ.? You're in over your head.? You can't handle anything so technical. ? Unhook all that stuff.? Put it back in their boxes.? Put it up on the top shelf. Or maybe keep it in the bedroom. Polish the race car instead. Rotate the tires (put the best ones on the front). Bill Dentinger PS Do you still have the Kodak Brownie?? I hear they're quite collectable. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jun 30, 2019 7:44 am Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed <!-- #yiv5478874032 _filtered #yiv5478874032 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5478874032 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv5478874032 #yiv5478874032 p.yiv5478874032MsoNormal, #yiv5478874032 li.yiv5478874032MsoNormal, #yiv5478874032 div.yiv5478874032MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv5478874032 a:link, #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478874032 a:visited, #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:windowtext;} #yiv5478874032 .yiv5478874032MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv5478874032 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv5478874032 div.yiv5478874032WordSection1 {} -->I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? ?I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range!My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! ?Russ_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Jun 30 22:47:36 2019 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:47:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Welcome to the "Fot" mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801d52fc8$1bd9f050$538dd0f0$@cox.net> FOTs - thank you for including me in your team mailing. Two of you have expressed interest in the Abacus TR4. It is a quality car and I expect the first responder will take it, but I will keep you informed if that is not the case. I drove a TR3 as a daily driver for 8 years from abt 1967, and had to marry my wife of 51 years because of that car. I would let your imagination run wild with that one, but it wasn't a shotgun wedding! The rest of the story over a beer! The Abacus TR3 I took is in similar condition to the TR4 - very nice. I plan to put it back on the road as an occasional driver and relive some of those knuckle dragging days from the 60s. I need some parts - engine, windscreen, fuel tank, seats, and probably a lot more. But as you all know, TRs are special! Thanks again. Take care, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:10 AM To: hankgiffin at cox.net Subject: Welcome to the "Fot" mailing list Welcome to the Fot at autox.team.net mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: fot at autox.team.net General information about the mailing list is at: http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/hankgiffin%40cox.net You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: Fot-request at autox.team.net with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe without confirmation. It is: omiwesni Normally, Mailman will remind you of your autox.team.net mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 15:24:23 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 21:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. 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I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: #yiv9371996543 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 18:51:24 2019 From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 00:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> Hi We had this problem when we R & R'd a TR6 trans a couple years ago coinciding with swapping hydraulics while sorting the problem. Turns out the clutch was being over thrown, must of gotten a long throw master or something. discovered this by accident. - ????Dump the clutch to the floor, could not shift - ? ? Put the clutch pedal halfway down gave me proper disengagement etc, and releasing the clutch, no slippage. - ? ? short term fix now in place three years, welded an adjustable stop to the clutch pedal limiting the throw so as to not overthrow the PP Try thatGood luckBrian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:52:50 PM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jun 2 04:01:05 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1726974423.7700475.1559469665583@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, I was thinking about the Tilton dual clutch setup my 4 has; the snout is a different length that holds the input shaft seal. ? Didn?t realize it until I swapped transmissions and the clutch wouldn?t disengage. ?Pulled the trans again, and then noticed that the snout on the former working setup was machines down for my clutch/flywheel/pressure plate setup. ?? I?m sure you thought of those things, too, but my symptoms matched what you describe. Hope that provides another clue! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:37 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: #yiv5011764308 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jun 2 05:20:49 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 07:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02b8dc17-1c2d-3144-b2a0-1e0b25eb4740@verizon.net> Could it be that the slave is mounted on the wrong side of the bracket, or the bracket on the wrong side of the bellhousing? I think one of Kas's books addresses that situation. I know I read it somewhere. Cheers, Bill On 6/1/2019 8:51 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hi > > We had this problem when we R & R'd a TR6 trans a couple years ago > coinciding with swapping hydraulics while sorting the problem. Turns > out the clutch was being over thrown, must of gotten a long throw > master or something. discovered this by accident. > > * ????????Dump the clutch to the floor, could not shift > * ?? ?? Put the clutch pedal halfway down gave me proper disengagement > etc, and releasing the clutch, no slippage. > * ?? ?? short term fix now in place three years, welded an adjustable > stop to the clutch pedal limiting the throw so as to not overthrow > the PP > > > Try that > Good luck > Brian > > 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 Cell > BSchirano at yahoo.com > > > On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:52:50 PM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi, > > This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the > slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of > travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. > > I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was > "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. > > Seriously, I am puzzled by this. > > Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. > > I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I > seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! > > I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional > and just put that back in. Yikes. > > Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. > That's some physical workout. > > Zzzzzzzz > > rml > > On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson > wrote: > > > Bob- > From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.?? Adjustable > pushrod on the slave??? Air in the system??? I'm assuming this is big > TR, not Spit. > Fred Hodgson > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson > wrote: Bob- >From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady. Adjustable pushrod on the slave? Air in the system? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit. Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19522 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 2 18:38:18 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 00:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1902581386.7878665.1559522298694@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the replies. After playing with everything over the weekend, I was able to get the clutch to work by playing with the push rod length for the clutch MC. I'm not sure why this adjustment was needed, but something about the combination of parts resulted in inadequate motion at the clutch fork. I'll sort it out later, but I may upgrade from the 3/4" clutch MC to a 7/8" as part of the eventual solution. On the downside - I spun the thrust washers in the C/R tranny, so it looks like another case is toast. But the car should run okay now, so I'm ready for Thompson in a couple of weeks. Thanks again! rml On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 6:07:51 PM EDT, Jason Sukey wrote: Hi Bob, ? If I didn't know any better your symptoms sound like a cracked or not fully seated taper pin that's rocking back into the "home" position when not under force.? (A stretch i know...). What about the difference in disc thickness; .010" probably translates into a lot more than? .010" additional required travel at the slave cylinder due science and stuff. :). What size master are you using with the Tilton setup? I hope you get it licked. Jason On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 5:24 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. TIA,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Jun 3 00:49:26 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:49:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1522995422.67195989.1559544566157.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The TR6 has a reputed problem : the wear in the parts that are operating the clutch can add up in a considerable loss of travel of that cylinder : suspension of the clutch pedal(shaft/hole), pedal to MC push rod, slave cylinder push rod to cross shaft, cross shaft to gearbox case. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 juni 2019 23:24:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] clutch question Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. 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URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jun 3 06:27:20 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question References: <2106821938.8048775.1559564840887.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2106821938.8048775.1559564840887@mail.yahoo.com> Yes that stack-up wear can add up.Having changed many hundreds of these clutches over the last 50 years, aside from hydraulic issues and normal wear and crappy aftermarket release bearings, the most common problem that I see is the broken clutch fork bolt.It shears and then the fork rotates on the shaft a bit and wedges itself tight, and then requires extra pushrod travel to compensate.When all is fitted, the external release arm is pretty much vertical, if it's trailing aft a noticeable amount, the bolt is likely sheared.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Robert Lang Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 2:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch question The TR6 has a reputed problem : the wear in the parts that are operating the clutch can add up in a considerable loss of travel of that? cylinder : suspension of the clutch pedal(shaft/hole), pedal to MC push rod, slave cylinder push rod to cross shaft, cross shaft to gearbox case.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 juni 2019 23:24:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] clutch question Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. TIA,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 22:02:53 -0700, J Wagner via Fot wrote: Not Triumph, but.... had it seems appropriate to share with this crowd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkUEjI2dB7g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com ? From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Wed Jun 5 20:12:26 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:12:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire single rail gearbox synchro hub Message-ID: <8A6A4E74-DF81-47A0-A3FA-8BDDBB286165@yahoo.com> Amici, I?ve re-assembled my main shaft and have too much play at the first gear synchro, about 1/8? more than I?d like. Meanwhile my second gear synchro is tighter than I?d like. How do I ?move? the extra space down the shaft? My overall length is good as my bearings are tight against the circlips. It doesn?t seem to make a difference but I?m wondering if I have the inner part of the synchro hub backwards. It has a longer flange around the shaft on one side than the other... about 1/8? longer. Should the longer flange face forward or backwards? Same question for the 3rd/4th synchro hub flange. My synchro clearances are good on 3rd and 4th but I?m second guessing myself that I have the long flange on the correct side. Thanks, Dusty 1971 Spitfire FP #4 Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 6 19:36:52 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 21:36:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6-GT6 head flow rate Message-ID: <0F54004A-CF75-458F-8683-9389AC390D3F@me.com> Does anyone have some flow rate numbers for a well ported head? I assume the Gt6 and Tr6 will flow about the same on a flow bench. Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) Marcel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jun 9 08:17:52 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 08:44:28 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874505473.330501.1560091468756@mail.yahoo.com> I used to run a little toe out on the rear of my Spit racer, darty in a straight line or over bumps and surface imperfections but made a difference in cornering - it was if I remember about .4 sec at Blackhawk Farms On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 09:18:20 AM CDT, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britracer89 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 08:48:54 2019 From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels.?Hope that?s helpful.Good luck,Brian? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 09:12:23 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 11:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: > A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a > tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe > out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. > Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of > scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my > opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for > better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a > cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure > that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip > on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in > the road. > > My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? > toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? > diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. > Hope that?s helpful. > Good luck, > Brian > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot > wrote: > > The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been > running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability > as well as turn in response. > > On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels > have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the > expected toe in. > Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will > change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot > members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results > (especially turn in characteristics) > Marcel > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 10:06:52 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> Interesting that when I inquired about rear toe for the Spitfire, one of our esteemed members suggested 1/8? toe in as a critical setting. I had the race shop check it as I had done nothing more than disassembled rebuilt and reassembled the rear suspension as I had found it. They found the setting at 1/8? toe in. It had come off the track in 1976 after a very successful SCCA career set that way. Good enough for me... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:12 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. > >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: >> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. >> >> My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. >> Hope that?s helpful. >> Good luck, >> Brian >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: >> >> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. >> >> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. >> Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) >> Marcel >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpspitfire at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 10:34:43 2019 From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 10:34:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure the dynamics of a tr4 suspension but yes, I?m with others, spitfire 1/8 total out in front and 1/8 total in at the rear. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Interesting that when I inquired about rear toe for the Spitfire, one of our esteemed members suggested 1/8? toe in as a critical setting. > > I had the race shop check it as I had done nothing more than disassembled rebuilt and reassembled the rear suspension as I had found it. > > They found the setting at 1/8? toe in. It had come off the track in 1976 after a very successful SCCA career set that way. > > Good enough for me... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:12 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >> >> I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. >> >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: >>> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. >>> >>> My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. >>> Hope that?s helpful. >>> Good luck, >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: >>> >>> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. >>> >>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. >>> Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) >>> Marcel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/hpspitfire at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jun 9 11:12:05 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:12:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <929376758.130698214.1560100325725.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I believe the outer wheel(raising) is gaining toe in and the inner wheel (dropping) is going in the direction of toe out : that should be favourable on turning in. Marcel Van: "John Styduhar" Aan: "Brian Dennis" Cc: "Rick Parent" , "fot" , "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Zondag 9 juni 2019 17:12:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Rear axle toe in I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. Hope that?s helpful. Good luck, Brian [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) Marcel _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com ] BQ_BEGIN BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com ] BQ_END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > Thanks, > Dusty >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harveykinnard at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 12:42:11 2019 From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 13:42:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> My sentiments exactly. I second that philosophy, motion, or vote. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Dusty... > > I think ANY TR3 that went to battle is significant, and deserves to be revered and preserved. > > If I get a VOTE, I vote, "YES!" > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dustin nicholson via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am > Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? > > Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dusty > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From igofaster at att.net Sun Jun 9 14:19:25 2019 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES....also, the one on the left?? Small Mouth? Bobby Whitehead On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 1:42:23 PM CDT, Harvey Kinnard via Fot wrote: My sentiments exactly. I second that philosophy, motion, or vote.? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Dusty... I think ANY TR3 that went to battle is significant, and deserves to be revered and preserved. If I get a VOTE, I vote, "YES!" Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > Thanks, > Dusty >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 15:22:24 2019 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <925c3c1f-f582-8b5c-58a4-fb2e9542a65d@gmail.com> On 6/9/19 1:19 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES....also, the one on the > left?? Small Mouth? > > Bobby Whitehead The white one on the left is a TR3A with TR2 front piece. TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 16:46:42 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 16:46:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <925c3c1f-f582-8b5c-58a4-fb2e9542a65d@gmail.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> <925c3c1f-f582-8b5c-58a4-fb2e9542a65d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7166CA46-E197-4B53-9B69-7BBC7E6CC02A@yahoo.com> @TeriAnn - Touch?! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > The white one on the left is a TR3A with TR2 front piece. > > TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 9 19:03:43 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:03:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82d192fc-78e6-ee3d-f2fe-114bca41b4a5@bradakis.com> Based simply on the color I was going to say Cheesehead, but it doesn't look modified enough. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 9 20:22:04 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:22:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0ad75c66-6899-8767-8d1a-d19ab152a1e2@bradakis.com> On 6/9/19 2:19 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES. Just a comment on this sentiment.? I am pretty sure I have mentioned this before.? Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I went to look at a TR4.? It was red, it was a bit rusty, but it ran.? I made the seller an offer, he said he would get back to me.? He later called and said the car was mine.? I go to his place to do the formalities and he says that a couple of other folks offered more money, but he was selling it to me.? None of the others had quite the same look in their eyes, the same smile on their face as they looked it over.? He could tell, he just somehow knew that I deserved that car. Spent many happy years with The Rust Rocket as I came to call it, both in and under it, on the track, on the street, at the autocross. That fellow was right. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: creeper.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 249780 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jun 10 14:41:16 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 16:41:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. I see Craig at Summit Point just about every Jefferson 500. He introduced himself when he first saw my GT6. His bio, below, speaks for itself. The best part, I think, is that Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the previous owners. So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on the track and letting those GT6s race together again. Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me. 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Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me. I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and would hope I could further the cause of the organization. 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Great bio, and another GT6!? - Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen via Fot To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Cc: Judi Miller Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. ?I see Craig at Summit Point just about every Jefferson 500. ?He introduced himself when he first saw my GT6. ?His bio, below, speaks for itself. ?The best part, I think, is that Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the previous owners. ?So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on the track and letting those GT6s race together again.Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sportscars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school.? I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summerof 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years oldto join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. Ihave been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant CompetitionDirector to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season aswell. ?I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over theyears. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held aNational Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring itwith the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me.I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and wouldhope I could further the cause of the organization.Thanks,Craig Miller _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 15:54:26 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second the nomination. On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. I see Craig at Summit Point > just about every Jefferson 500. He introduced himself when he first saw my > GT6. His bio, below, speaks for itself. The best part, I think, is that > Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the > previous owners. So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on > the track and letting those GT6s race together again. > Do I have a second? > > Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing > since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the > summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 > years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over > the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was > Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove > the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire > 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production > from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own > the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage > racing before time gets away from me. > > I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and would hope I could > further the cause of the organization. > > Thanks, > > Craig Miller > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jun 10 15:55:48 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:55:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <322657ab-8726-1cee-9270-3090d620b8e0@bradakis.com> On 6/10/19 2:41 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > II raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a > National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently > restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time > gets away from me. I know that feeling.? Craig is added. mjb. From john at linneyweb.com Tue Jun 11 13:56:46 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:56:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock Message-ID: It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms -John John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 11 15:52:38 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at IMRRC Watkins Glen Message-ID: <694C0D8B-A777-4565-915C-A65C8B16A26F@cs.com> FOT, Anybody have any candidates to have on display at IMRRC during the Triumph event in September? One or two. Car(s) can be driven during the re-enactment on Friday afternoon/evening. They will promote the car and the owner quite nicely. There might be other perks. Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 11 17:09:46 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:09:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement Message-ID: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> FOT: One of our Aussies got dropped off the list. It?s time he came back. Triumph guy, of course, among other cars. He and his wife have even been our guests at the Blackhawk Farms Kastner Cup. Tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Mark, plunk your magic twanger and make him reappear. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 17:13:08 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Terry_O=E2=80=99Beirne=2E_Reinstatement?= Message-ID: <67330227-099F-483C-A590-C39AAC27CCFC@gmail.com> I forgot to mention his name. Sorry, Terry. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 11 17:26:33 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 17:26:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement In-Reply-To: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> References: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> Message-ID: <10cfc795-0883-783b-1404-37438ea093eb@bradakis.com> On 6/11/19 5:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > One of our Aussies got dropped off the list. It?s time he came back. > Triumph guy, of course, among other cars. He and his wife have even been our guests at the Blackhawk Farms Kastner Cup. > > Tobeirne at skillpro.com.au > > Mark, plunk your magic twanger and make him reappear. > Done, Terry is back on. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jun 11 17:33:06 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:33:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement In-Reply-To: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> References: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> Message-ID: <2849B0B2ECD747CF89E48D98BAD8B6E0@VlackTK121647> Mark did you get my request for Tony Sheach. I sent it to your personal email. He also got dropped somehow. JVV From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 11 17:37:38 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow.? Very nicely done.? I was captivated. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/11/2019 2:56 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From john at linneyweb.com Tue Jun 11 17:47:15 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:47:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tony! > On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Wow. Very nicely done. I was captivated. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/11/2019 2:56 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: >> It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. >> >> Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. >> >> I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. >> >> Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. >> >> Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A >> >> To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms >> >> -John >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 11 20:50:40 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 02:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Framing John DeLorean References: <449785764.178486.1560307840408.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449785764.178486.1560307840408@mail.yahoo.com> Amici.. Just watched "Framing John DeLorean" On Demand (also available to rent on other channels). Very interesting. ?Highly recommended. Brilliant Engineer and Marketing Genius, but let ambition warp his morals. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jun 11 22:07:42 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that car sing and dance. Sweet! Dave H. > On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot wrote: > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 04:10:32 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 06:10:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> Oh, what could have been? Thanks for bringing the story to video, John. Duncan > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:07 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that car sing and dance. Sweet! > Dave H. >> On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot > wrote: >> >> >> It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. >> >> Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. >> >> I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. >> >> Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. >> >> Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A >> >> To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms >> >> -John >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 06:18:01 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> References: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> Message-ID: The whole thing was great. TR250K to TR7 transitional graphic was an outstanding visual. I will watch it again but what did Peter Brock say about the car being better than the Cobra Daytona coupes? Bob Kramer On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:10 AM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > Oh, what could have been? > > Thanks for bringing the story to video, John. > > Duncan > > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:07 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: > > That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. > Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that > car sing and dance. Sweet! > Dave H. > > On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve > completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and > Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You > may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in > depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. > It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in > noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank > for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the > car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to > Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as > supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all > welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? > https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jun 12 07:32:21 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> John Fascinating, loved the video, great story telling, editing, and quality. Thanks for capturing this important story in such a artful fashion. Very well done, you have a gift. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Linney via Fot Sent: June 11, 2019 3:57 PM To: John Linney via Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms -John John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 12 11:02:55 2019 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Message-ID: AMICI - Who is going to Blackhawk this weekend? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Jun 12 11:40:01 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:40:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> References: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <463C0D37-D25C-416E-B644-5BACB015E71E@linneyweb.com> Thanks Paul - And thank you all for the great feedback. I have put together a special page on my web site where you can also see some close-up stills from the video. Check out https://classicmotorfilms.com/tr250k . > On Jun 12, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > John > > Fascinating, loved the video, great story telling, editing, and quality. Thanks for capturing this important story in such a artful fashion. > > Very well done, you have a gift. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of John Linney via Fot > Sent: June 11, 2019 3:57 PM > To: John Linney via Fot > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The double vision I had two years ago is much better, but it's still there, and if I smack into someone because I'm turning into the wrong corner I couldn't forgive myself. So its curtains to roughly 50 years of racing something: Flat track and TT motorcycles, motocross, road racing motorcycles, road racing cars, and vintage car racing, culminating with being the honored caretaker of the remarkable Peyote since 1999. I'm getting Peyote ready to sell, since it doesn't belong in a collection gathering dust, it should be raced, and raced hard. As it always has been, for 60 years. I?ll also eventually be selling Ambro 001, though it?s going to take some time. I?m rebodying it, with an Ambro body that doesn?t weigh 250 pounds. More like 60. And Peyotifying it. Fast and pretty. Like my hero, Mr. Kastner, I?m concentrating on stuff in the water, but instead of racing sailboats I?m playing around with hydrofoils on surfboards and other silly stuff. It will be some time until I finish the Ambro, and I?d like to stay on the list to see what all you folks are up to. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 16 22:28:52 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:28:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Peyote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7cee7a46-9a1f-8f44-51ec-0539865c0a9d@bradakis.com> Wow.? That's some news.? But none of us are getting any younger, time does take its toll.? Hopefully Peyote will go to someone on the list already, or at least a person who should be on this list. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 17 07:54:54 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:54:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. Message-ID: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> Friends of Triumph: This might make a good time to make a few announcements on the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup: We are working with Rick Parent and Tony Parella of SVRA. SVRA has extended FREE ENTRY to the Kastner Cup Entrants. We currently have two UK based vintage race cars pursuing the logistics of shipping their cars to the Kastner Cup. Jeff Snook is supporting that effort to the extent that he can. Marty Sukey, and others, are going to be at this annual SVRA event next weekend. They will be examining the FOT Paddock Location and associated costs. Clark Lincoln has been ?commissioned? to do the artwork for the annual Kastner Cup Poster. (We have the best artists in Steve Belfer and Clark Lincoln). Jerry Van Vlack has volunteered to do the Event Shirts. (Big Job) Shawn Frank continues as our ?Media Maven? and Chief Photog. He will likely be working with Pam Shawtraw of SVRA. We have invited John Linney to join us with his Video Equipment and Hi-Tech Drone. (We may need to figure out a way to get this done) Rick Parent is our Chief of Tech and our liaison to SVRA. Eligibility will likely be considered on a case by case basis, with Rick as the final judge on Equipment. Kas and I are working on the BUDGET. Since we have no treasury, it is likely that we will need to make an assessment to the Entrants. If some entity wants to sponsor the Hospitality Tent we would likely accept an offer to do so. Kastner?s Expenses Trophy Expenses Hospitality Tent Expense. We can recover the cost of the Posters and Shirts thru sales. We sold posters and FOT decals at Buttonwillow. That yielded $330. So the posters and decals were paid for, but little excess. Thank you to all that are supporting this ?RETURN TO MID-OHIO?. The One Year Count Down Begins. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 11:22:29 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:22:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Message-ID: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 17 12:17:10 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:17:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Belfer Kastner Cup Poster plus four FOT decals. Duplicate Shipment Message-ID: <6F74DF6F-B21C-4678-B62E-B909B0D2D61B@cs.com> Michael Kutka ended up with two sets. We could forward to someone, if interested. Or we still have a few more posters and decals, if more interest is there. Contact me. Thanks! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 12:18:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. In-Reply-To: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> References: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> Message-ID: <1167341581.2617893.1560795536404@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... Not sure if I will still be up to attending (getting old is not for the meek), but I would certainly contribute to any collection of funds for expenses. Keep me in the loop. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 6:55 am Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. Friends of Triumph: This might make a good time to make a few announcements on the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup: We are working with Rick Parent and Tony Parella of SVRA. SVRA has extended FREE ENTRY to the Kastner Cup Entrants. We currently have two UK based vintage race cars pursuing the logistics of shipping their cars to the Kastner Cup. Jeff Snook is supporting that effort to the extent that he can. Marty Sukey, and others, are going to be at this annual SVRA event next weekend. They will be examining the FOT Paddock Location and associated costs. Clark Lincoln has been ?commissioned? to do the artwork for the annual Kastner Cup Poster. (We have the best artists in Steve Belfer and Clark Lincoln). Jerry Van Vlack has volunteered to do the Event Shirts. (Big Job) Shawn Frank continues as our ?Media Maven? and Chief Photog. He will likely be working with Pam Shawtraw of SVRA. We have invited John Linney to join us with his Video Equipment and Hi-Tech Drone. (We may need to figure out a way to get this done) Rick Parent is our Chief of Tech and our liaison to SVRA. Eligibility will likely be considered on a case by case basis, with Rick as the final judge on Equipment. Kas and I are working on the BUDGET. Since we have no treasury, it is likely that we will need to make an assessment to the Entrants. If some entity wants to sponsor the Hospitality Tent we would likely accept an offer to do so. Kastner?s Expenses Trophy Expenses Hospitality Tent Expense. We can recover the cost of the Posters and Shirts thru sales. We sold posters and FOT decals at Buttonwillow. That yielded $330. So the posters and decals were paid for, but little excess. Thank you to all that are supporting this ?RETURN TO MID-OHIO?.? The One Year Count Down Begins. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 13:35:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 21:35:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> Hi Bill, It is not allowed to touch other cars in this racing group (still happen occasionally, but rarely). So everybody is taking care which makes it more fun to go through corners with 2 or 3 cars and see how is on front :) They Healey driver managed to pass me on the grass. I tried to gently block his line but that didn?t disturb him. He went on the green ?. Great driving and bravery of him :) So much fun to race with a great bunch of people. Assen is a track with many engine failures. As soon as possible I tried to save the engine, keeping the revs low. Thank you for your compliment! Cheers Chris Von: Bill Dentinger Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:18 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris... AWESOME! I am particularly impressed with the close racing early on. You pulled off some extremely close maneuvers without an incident. Only the laundry knows how exciting such close racing can be. Early on, that yellow Austin Healy's straight line speed was an issue, but you got it handled eventually. I was also impressed with how 'gentle you are with the car's drive train' during the long periods when you were alone on the track. Those were still some of your fastest laps, but rarely did you even touch 6,000 rpms. Das ist GUT! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 14:09:48 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:09:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> Hi John, You are right. His move wasn?t correct. I?ve tried to distract him with a tiny move to the left. He didn?t care and went over the grass. Good that the Dutch grass is more sticky than the British one :) At that moment I was happy he passed my as I had more fun to have a go again on him. Sorry that I?m so selfish. Cheers Chris Von: JOHN DAVIES Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:56 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen You cannot legally pass someone if you are not on the track. In UK racing, "exceeding the racing limits" which are marked by white lines where there are no kerbs, can annul a pass, can get you a time penalty, or a visit to the Clerk of the Course and disqualification. As all know, a car on the grass is a car out of control. Personally, I'm fed up with drivers who take a risk and cause me damage as a result. I hope that this sort of racing isn't what might happen at the Kastner Cup! John ----Original message---- >From : fot at autox.team.net Date : 17/06/2019 - 20:35 (GMTST) To : fot at autox.team.net Subject : Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Hi Bill, It is not allowed to touch other cars in this racing group (still happen occasionally, but rarely). So everybody is taking care which makes it more fun to go through corners with 2 or 3 cars and see how is on front :) They Healey driver managed to pass me on the grass. I tried to gently block his line but that didn?t disturb him. He went on the green ?. Great driving and bravery of him :) So much fun to race with a great bunch of people. Assen is a track with many engine failures. As soon as possible I tried to save the engine, keeping the revs low. Thank you for your compliment! Cheers Chris Von: Bill Dentinger > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:18 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris... AWESOME! I am particularly impressed with the close racing early on. You pulled off some extremely close maneuvers without an incident. Only the laundry knows how exciting such close racing can be. Early on, that yellow Austin Healy's straight line speed was an issue, but you got it handled eventually. I was also impressed with how 'gentle you are with the car's drive train' during the long periods when you were alone on the track. Those were still some of your fastest laps, but rarely did you even touch 6,000 rpms. Das ist GUT! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jun 17 17:47:52 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 17:51:50 2019 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (James Palmer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> Second! Jamie Palmer > On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. > > Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. > > At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. > > Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? > > Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com > > From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 19:14:18 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:14:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <21D0BEFA-C52E-43A7-80CC-368EB8AECD3B@gmail.com> Second! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 4:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. > > Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. > > At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. > > Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? > > Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com > > From pethier7 at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 19:19:05 2019 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Phil Ethier) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54746508-DDAE-4DD2-9A10-3FCA0352E8AA@gmail.com> Not only is Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?. No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 19:33:01 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673@mail.yahoo.com> 2nd vowel dominant? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, June 17, 2019,?Phil Ethier via Fot??wrote: Not only is? Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?.? No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne? (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 19:33:01 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673@mail.yahoo.com> 2nd vowel dominant? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, June 17, 2019,?Phil Ethier via Fot??wrote: Not only is? Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?.? No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne? (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jun 17 21:08:49 2019 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:08:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels Message-ID: Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Jun 18 05:54:32 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:54:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Nomination In-Reply-To: <1617201932.213411740.1560839960756.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> <54746508-DDAE-4DD2-9A10-3FCA0352E8AA@gmail.com> <1617201932.213411740.1560839960756.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1140428549.215893916.1560858872582.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> ----- Doorgestuurd bericht ----- Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Phil Ethier" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 08:39:20 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Nomination Fil atj??, I would not expect otherwise from cl?d' ganje Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "James Palmer" Cc: "fot" , lotusgagne at rogers.com Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 03:19:05 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Nomination Not only is Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?. No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Tue Jun 18 06:33:03 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FBF528@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Allen - I would contact either of the following: The Roadster Factory (800) 234-1104 Team Triumph (330) 392-7176 Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Allen Washatko via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 11:08 PM To: FOT Subject: [External] [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fot-2Dracing.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=f2Tku6gjYmWXcoVmIeVMpidKme7jxInKh4bURoEKGps&e= Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=qA0ToACu8sD2O2PWeH9mNf70e35V5wjbh099mCY8ljQ&e= Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=8LBPN8cxgnNCzK7v582EboztiUpRm58KXQ1c1-Ab_5E&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_fot&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=tf0479IQpOxyHFyo86hfBpCoj8cyqc57HEQC12MBabc&e= Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_fot_lawrenceross-40allstate.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=nGF21jFf_izB4tLw0gNdkdHekCeBmrHC8uOb--amTfs&e= From chip at theukmotorsports.com Tue Jun 18 06:51:40 2019 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:51:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 > Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deweerdm at rogers.com Tue Jun 18 07:02:04 2019 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (Mike Deweerd) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission Message-ID: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 08:24:51 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs | | | | | | | | | | | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife | | | Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.png Type: image/png Size: 514314 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jun 18 08:41:13 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings Message-ID: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> The VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport continues to be the thrill of my racing calendar. The Canadians are really great hosts, spectacular competitors, and it's all about good, hard, clean racing. The off-track activities are pretty special as well, VARAC's president does double duty as the event chair. I think this was his fourth year doing it, so all the off-track stuff runs like clockwork. And the track... Just ask anybody who ever ran Mosport! VARAC has always gridded races based on your finishing position of the last race, not by best lap of the weekend. You are challenged to run hard every lap, and if you are a DNS/DNF, you start in the back for the next race. Plus, VARAC changed their format on run groups a year or two ago, now we are essentially Bracket Racing! You state within a 5 second window what class you want to be in, and they group all the Historic cars accordingly. (The Classic (newer, heavier) cars do the same thing, but in their own run groups) For every lap you break out of your minimum time, you get penalized one lap, so your starting position gets pushed back. Our own Mike Moore had a spectacular weekend but kept running 1:44's busting his bracket, so his starts were further and further back, but the smile on his face made it clear his was having a ball. The Triumph/MG Challenge race was another win for Triumph! When the finishing order has Triumphs in the top 4 spots, it's tough to fudge the math to give the honors to the Octagon Guys. Plus, after our 4th place car crossed the finish line the starter waited 57 seconds for the first MG to make it around! We kicked butt. We had only 6 Triumphs there, plenty of room for more next year! Henry From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jun 18 08:49:04 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> Message-ID: <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. Russ From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM To: Chip Collingwood Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 18 08:52:16 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings In-Reply-To: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> References: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <299191966.3113984.1560869536053@mail.yahoo.com> HOORAY for our side! Was it not the site of the very first Kastner Cup, with Uncle Jack as its first winner? And VARAC certainly is a gracious host. I only raced there once, and yet I still have dreams about Turn TWO. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 7:41 am Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings The VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport continues to be the thrill of my racing calendar. The Canadians are really great hosts, spectacular competitors, and it's all about good, hard, clean racing. The off-track activities are pretty special as well, VARAC's president does double duty as the event chair. I think this was his fourth year doing it, so all the off-track stuff runs like clockwork. And the track... Just ask anybody who ever ran Mosport! VARAC has always gridded races based on your finishing position of the last race, not by best lap of the weekend. You are challenged to run hard every lap, and if you are a DNS/DNF, you start in the back for the next race. Plus, VARAC changed their format on run groups a year or two ago, now we are essentially Bracket Racing! You state within a 5 second window what class you want to be in, and they group all the Historic cars accordingly. (The Classic (newer, heavier) cars do the same thing, but in their own run groups) For every lap you break out of your minimum time, you get penalized one lap, so your starting position gets pushed back. Our own Mike Moore had a spectacular weekend but kept running 1:44's busting his bracket, so his starts were further and further back, but the smile on his face made it clear his was having a ball. The Triumph/MG Challenge race was another win for Triumph! When the finishing order has Triumphs in the top 4 spots, it's tough to fudge the math to give the honors to the Octagon Guys. Plus, after our 4th place car crossed the finish line the starter waited 57 seconds for the first MG to make it around! We kicked butt. We had only 6 Triumphs there, plenty of room for more next year! Henry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at CompsNW.com Tue Jun 18 08:53:59 2019 From: agb at CompsNW.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A Alec Buchan Sent from the field on my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > > The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. > > Russ > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Chip Collingwood > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > Allen, > > I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. > > Chip > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.c.cutter at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:02:58 2019 From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. Cheers, Dave [image: Headlight Rings.JPG] [image: Spit_Headlights.JPG] On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure > out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers > on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love > the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would > like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I > understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, > which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around > it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight > ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass > bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit > inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight > buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with > screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other > thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the > necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to > bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m > talking about > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Headlight Rings.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 143767 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about >> >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:34:22 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AA2D57-0DCA-4BE9-B03C-343C40A9FCAE@gmail.com> My headlamp rings have 3 aluminum tabs pop riveted on with a hole drilled in them for a bolt to go through holes in the bonnet... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about > > > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Jun 18 10:01:02 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 18:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> Message-ID: <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> In the Moss Europe catalogues, all doors have the same part number : TR4 to TR6 till 1973 (also european and US models have the same doors). After 1973 the TR6 doors had a different part number because of some reinforcement against accidents. Also TR4 doors are slanted at the B-post are they not? Sorry to be pedantic but I believe if someone has a spare TR4 door, it will fit for Allens car. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Spitfire Racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 16:53:59 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A Alec Buchan Sent from the field on my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. Russ From: Fot [ [ mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net | mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] ] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM To: Chip Collingwood Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jun 18 10:06:12 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <33BD59DF-AB1A-4D13-9427-E23B56D0E76E@aol.com> Allen; I also have a door. Most likely a TR4 or 4A. I am in Massachusetts. May or may not be closer than Chip. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:01 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > In the Moss Europe catalogues, all doors have the same part number : TR4 to TR6 till 1973 (also european and US models have the same doors). After 1973 the TR6 doors had a different part number because of some reinforcement against accidents. > Also TR4 doors are slanted at the B-post are they not? Sorry to be pedantic but I believe if someone has a spare TR4 door, it will fit for Allens car. > Marcel > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Spitfire Racing" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 16:53:59 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A > > Alec Buchan > Sent from the field on my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > > The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. > > Russ > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Chip Collingwood > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > Allen, > > I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. > > Chip > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 18 10:19:28 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> Nice summary!? I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack.? Work of art.? Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it.? No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the > one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this > gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the > J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in > stock and there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these > to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this > setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the > best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the > 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the > layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end > float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the > case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really > hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a > new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double > bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they > seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, > the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the > stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality > consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to > know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent > oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can > stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or > more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks > switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where > I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems > like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses > and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at > Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock > Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, > 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. > And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. > Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive > that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if > there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But > you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 > is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is > do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist > and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is > the best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the > close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical > gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jun 18 10:54:23 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:54:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com>, <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 10:56:09 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This email is a keeper. Nice job!. I would add that for those of use that have the spare later TR6 trannies to work with, the Dolomite gear sets are a bargain priced solution. I built one for the Ex-Lemons/Chump Beanito's TR6 with a J-type overdrive that everyone loved at COTA. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:25 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one > source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. > Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type > overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and > there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to > pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for > around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total > gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft > needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the > layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are > some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. > One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one > from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've > had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better > than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets > pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock > and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of > replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're > getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying > attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more > than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to > Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm > at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the > most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In > the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 > transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there > is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which > is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds > which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more > $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't > researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an > option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A > drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell > housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a > competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the > best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close > ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 11:12:48 2019 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:12:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: That?s what I did to. I just pop riveted the ring to the fiberglass hood. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 11:02 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about >> >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jun 18 14:11:50 2019 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:11:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is basically my setup too. Except... 1. The left ?headlight? is actually the original Spitfire hubcap, cut down to fit. 2. The right side is a screen over a duct to the carbs. Rocky Entriken From: David Cutter via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:02 AM To: Jonathan Wright Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racecar headlight question Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. Cheers, Dave On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? 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Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony Drews" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs ] [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife ] Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 16:40:18 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:40:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54252057-1BFF-4955-819E-AD1675C0CCA3@gmail.com> The cold air port is prohibited with VARA unless period raced that way. Same with front spoilers even though they were permitted by the 1972 GCR. Pictures from 1972 allowed my spoiler in... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 1:11 PM, Rocky Entriken via Fot wrote: > > This is basically my setup too. Except... > > 1. The left ?headlight? is actually the original Spitfire hubcap, cut down to fit. > 2. The right side is a screen over a duct to the carbs. > > > > Rocky Entriken > > From: David Cutter via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:02 AM > To: Jonathan Wright > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racecar headlight question > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about >> >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Wed Jun 19 05:13:30 2019 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:13:30 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. > Marcel. > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Tony Drews" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > > I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . > T > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. > > When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > metatags generator > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. > > Do I have a second? > > These are his cars > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Wed Jun 19 06:40:54 2019 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:40:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, can you add Peter to the email list. Peter Popplewell ppopplewell at gmail.com Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 Fax: 888-865-5279 Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. From: Paul Ricco Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:39 AM To: Michael Moore Cc: fot ; Peter Popplewell Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Second On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Michael Moore via Fot > wrote: I would like to nominate Peter Popplewell for the FOT. I met him at Mosport this past weekend, he lives in Ottawa. He and his dad own two Triumphs and a XK150. He wants to get into vintage racing in a TR6. I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. Do I have a second? These are his cars Thanks, Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jun 19 09:44:00 2019 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Message-ID: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Friends, For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. But was curious what other sizes are being used. Thanks Todd From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 19 10:39:50 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: Hi Todd; It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 12:50:04 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:50:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net>, Message-ID: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:24:12 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:24:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every > where we go. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hi Todd; > > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel > rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 > inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> > >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a > useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 13:31:04 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:31:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> , Message-ID: <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar > wrote: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:45:01 2019 From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:45:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Message-ID: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:56:39 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:56:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: The GCR, circa 1972 permitted 1? wider than stock... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:24 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? > > >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hi Todd; >> > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. >> > Phil Gott >> > 114 TR4A >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> Friends, >> >> >> >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Wed Jun 19 13:56:32 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: > We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but > require some fitment for clearance. > > > > Jeff Snook > > 419-344-0319 > > www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Jun 19 14:12:31 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:12:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: <2A959D76-ED69-47E2-A0BC-7E8CDEA8D067@aol.com> VSCCA even less! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:04 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > SVRA only allows 6 ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > >> 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: >>> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeff Snook >>> >>> 419-344-0319 >>> >>> www.snooksdreamcars.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jun 19 14:20:28 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: <601349874.501781.1560975628238@connect.xfinity.com> I like the Speedsters for my TR3. 185/65. CSRG allows a 60 series and a 205/60 will fit on the TR3, but they are close. I had to relieve/grind the leaf springs for Yokohama 048s (radial) to fit and I rolled the fender lip too. I found that the tires rubbed the springs in turns with only 1/4 to 3/8" static clearance before grinding the springs. Keep in mind that different tires may and usually do, require camber adjustments. I didn't change mine for the Yokos which was probably needed for best results. The 185 Speedsters (semi-radial) rub the rolled fender slightly on one side. The fender should be pulled out a little there, the other side is fine. I use the Hoosier Vintage TDs (bias-ply) for the Rolex race, they are 5.50x15. Dave H. > On June 19, 2019 at 8:44 AM Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a > useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jun 19 14:23:46 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1532683834.501859.1560975827034@connect.xfinity.com> Oh, I have Panasport wheels both 5.5" and 6" sets. Dave H. > On June 19, 2019 at 8:44 AM Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a > useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From bownes at web9.com Wed Jun 19 14:40:38 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: Even on stock rims? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:04 PM John H. Hasty wrote: > SVRA only allows 6 ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot > wrote: > > 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot > wrote: > >> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but >> require some fitment for clearance. >> >> >> >> Jeff Snook >> >> 419-344-0319 >> >> www.snooksdreamcars.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ppopplewell at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 06:56:24 2019 From: ppopplewell at gmail.com (Peter Popplewell) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 08:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great news, thanks guys....excited to join the group and to learn more! Cheers, Peter Popplewell On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:38 AM Paul Ricco wrote: > Second > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Michael Moore via Fot > wrote: > > I would like to nominate Peter Popplewell for the FOT. > > I met him at Mosport this past weekend, he lives in Ottawa. He and his dad > own two Triumphs and a XK150. He wants to get into vintage racing in a TR6. > I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he > is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. > > Do I have a second? > > These are his cars > > > > > *Thanks, Mike* > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 15:09:29 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> Message-ID: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: > From: Joe Alexander > Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT > To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com > Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > > > https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Wed Jun 19 15:28:31 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55D504B8-490E-46B4-9755-702BA454A198@att.net> Second! Hope to see Paul at the K-cup. Paul Ricco > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT: > > Please read the TR Register report. > > And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! > > Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Joe Alexander > >> Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT >> To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. >> >> >> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jun 19 15:48:27 2019 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:48:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com>, <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please let me be the one to second someone running appropriate WIRE WHEELS! Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Joe Alexander > Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Wed Jun 19 15:53:37 2019 From: tobeirne at skillpro.com.au (=?utf-8?B?VGVycnkgT+KAmUJlaXJuZQ==?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:53:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. ________________________________ Van: "fot" > Aan: "Tony Drews" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jun 19 15:54:20 2019 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:54:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: I run those 185 Hoosiers, as any real man would, on my Stock 60 spoke wire wheels...???..Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Todd Redmond via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:44 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Friends, For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. But was curious what other sizes are being used. Thanks Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 15:55:37 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:55:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: John Do you still have those 5 1/2" Panapsorts on that car from when I had it? It came with 6" wide steel "circle track" wheels and remember rolling a baseball bat under the rear fenders to get clearance on the drivers side when the 195-60-15 Yokohama 008r supply dried up. I went to the Panasports that were still available in 5 1/2 back then, I still have a very heavy set of steel wheels is someone desires them. Somehow they came back to me. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 1:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every > where we go. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hi Todd; > > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel > rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 > inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> > >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a > useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 19 16:08:45 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> , <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Or build 1 and buy the original which is being sold. From: John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:31 PM To: John Styduhar Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier size Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar wrote: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jun 19 16:13:54 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 00:13:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <168285512.230051012.1560982434911.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The conversion to ball bearings sdeems very interesting. What size of ball bearings can be used? Doesn't it weaken the part on wich the countergears are mounted too much? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Geoff Byrne" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 juni 2019 23:53:37 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "Tony Drews" < [ mailto:tony at tonydrews.com | tony at tonydrews.com ] > Cc: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs ] Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive%20 | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jun 19 16:16:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 22:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14433921.43372.1560982596876@mail.yahoo.com> I should say.? That's a lot of 'spinning weight'. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Henry A. Morrison via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net ; Joe Alexander Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2019 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. #yiv9282208375 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Please let me be the one to second someone running appropriate WIRE WHEELS! Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S.?FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. ?A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Joe Alexander Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: ?319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 19 18:31:42 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Regarding 7 inch wheels: in HRG (Historic Race Group - the old Volvo Historic Series) the max allowed wheel width is 8 inches. This group runs per the 1983 SCCA GCR, which allows flared fenders. Other groups have different rules, which is why the first question is ?what are the rules under which you run?? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > Or build 1 and buy the original which is being sold. > > From: John H. Hasty via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:31 PM > To: John Styduhar > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier size > > Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar wrote: >> >> Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? >> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >>> Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Todd; >>> > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. >>> > Phil Gott >>> > 114 TR4A >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Friends, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >>> >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> Todd >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> fot at autox.team.net >>> >> >>> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >> >>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 04:33:25 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 05:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. References: <8627087.4093.1561021558761.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <61D431F0-7BE3-4639-969B-9C4C169E5D38@gmail.com> John Davies nominates Paul Hogan. > From: JOHN DAVIES > Date: June 20, 2019 at 4:05:58 AM CDT > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > Reply-To: john.r.davies at btinternet.com > > I will second Paul. > He is a past-chairman of the TR Register, and the owner of the magnificent TR3S replica of the car that raced at Le Mans in - forgive me - 1958? I crewed for Paul when he entered that car at the 2016 Classic Le Mans, and the Silverstone Classic, and can attest that he is a thorough TR man and racer. > > John > ----Original message---- > From : fot at autox.team.net > Date : 19/06/2019 - 22:09 (GMTST) > To : fot at autox.team.net > Cc : p-hogan at btconnect.com > Subject : [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > > FOT: > > Please read the TR Register report. > > And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! > > Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Joe Alexander >> Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT >> To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. >> >> >> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 20 08:10:55 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:10:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List numbers Message-ID: The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360.? It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. For some of the new folks a little history.? This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net.? At one point, there were about 65 active lists going.? Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at http://autox.team.net/archive There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it.? Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough!? I am FINISHED with this [...]"? Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days.? But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem.? I will do what I can to keep it that way. mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 08:16:03 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 09:16:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36B077DA-AF6E-4AB7-AC28-56DDA07D8F6A@gmail.com> Mark, Thank you for your service. We presume you will attend the next Kastner Cup? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. > > For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. > > These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo > > And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. > > I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. I will do what I can to keep it that way. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jun 20 09:36:29 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 15:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457164776.346646.1561044989290@mail.yahoo.com> KUDOS! ? Kudos to you, Mark! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2019 7:11 am Subject: [Fot] List numbers The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360.? It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. For some of the new folks a little history.? This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net.? At one point, there were about 65 active lists going.? Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at http://autox.team.net/archive There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it.? Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough!? I am FINISHED with this [...]"? Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days.? But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem.? I will do what I can to keep it that way. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Thu Jun 20 09:45:46 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 11:45:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. Bob On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It > seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. > > For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in > December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which > was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, > british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active > lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now > everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, > blogs, club forums, whatever. > > These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 > lists, which can be found at > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo > > And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. > > I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of > love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life > doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and > say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went > belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight > days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. > I will do what I can to keep it that way. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 09:53:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:53:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! I had no idea. Thank you very much! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It >> seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. >> >> For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in >> December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which >> was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, >> british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active >> lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now >> everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, >> blogs, club forums, whatever. >> >> These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 >> lists, which can be found at >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo >> >> And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. >> >> I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of >> love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life >> doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and >> say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went >> belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight >> days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. >> I will do what I can to keep it that way. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.c.cutter at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 11:37:21 2019 From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky Message-ID: I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT. Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT. He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata. Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project. See attached picture. Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen. Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT. Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled *Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story.* *https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI * Do I have a second? [image: 1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 55816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 11:40:00 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> Cool car...second! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:37 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT. Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT. He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata. Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project. See attached picture. > > Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen. Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT. Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story. > > https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI > > Do I have a second? > > <1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 20 18:03:56 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:03:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all > these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely > as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the > 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the > infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so > graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain > turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend > Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net > community by myself. As an early and memorable > domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The > answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS.? The usual suspects stepped up and really helped out, I am quite thankful for that. I thought that Team.Net was registered on April 11th, a day that I usually celebrate for another reason. And as for people appreciating the efforts I have put into this experiment, I was pleasantly surprised when I visited this web page. http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/ Aleady looking forward to the 2020 Kastner Cup. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 20 18:48:29 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 20:48:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> References: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Clicking through on the link to the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, there are quite a number of Triumph/FOT types seemingly up for vote. I can?t find any mention of when voting ends, or when the next ceremony is. The last one was June 2, 2018. Anyone know? On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS. The usual suspects stepped up and really helped out, I am quite thankful for that. I thought that Team.Net was registered on April 11th, a day that I usually celebrate for another reason. And as for people appreciating the efforts I have put into this experiment, I was pleasantly surprised when I visited this web page. http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/ Aleady looking forward to the 2020 Kastner Cup. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 19:17:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 20:17:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1CBA9CBE-3B50-45A3-A159-19AFD5BBFE5E@gmail.com> Scott, and all. I was involved with the Class on 2 June 18. No new class is scheduled at this time. The Hall of Fame is dormant. There is an effort afoot to continue it. There was a meeting on the east coast last week. The agenda was initially about Archives and a British Car Museum. Then we discussed integrating the Hall of Fame into the Planning. More on all of this when we know more. This affects us all. Regards, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, IA 50648 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Clicking through on the link to the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, there are quite a number of Triumph/FOT types seemingly up for vote. I can?t find any mention of when voting ends, or when the next ceremony is. The last one was June 2, 2018. > Anyone know? > > On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > >> On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: >> >> I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. >> >> On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. >> >> Bob > > > Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS. 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The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Kramer On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 5:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi FOT, > > A philosophic statement: > > With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments > about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does > it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. > > The answer is very simple. > > Kas showed me everything. > > I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right > answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and > how to deal with other drivers. > > I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated > ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did > serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. > > This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, > with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. > > So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say > that they know it better? > > Conclusion: > > Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not > listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am > Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen > > Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were > in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a > problem at Assen). > > After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race > 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. > He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and > shared in race 3 with me the last row. > > > > Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way > through the strong field of cars ahead. > > > > Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an > unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 > seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because > I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the > furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and > bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 16:50:52 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:50:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> <000201d52551$c2550c70$46ff2550$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, how about an example of advice from Kas to share with the group. Thanks On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi FOT, > > A philosophic statement: > > With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments > about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does > it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. > > The answer is very simple. > > Kas showed me everything. > > I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right > answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and > how to deal with other drivers. > > I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated > ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did > serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. > > This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, > with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. > > So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say > that they know it better? > > Conclusion: > > Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not > listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am > Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen > > Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were > in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a > problem at Assen). > > After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race > 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. > He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and > shared in race 3 with me the last row. > > > > Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way > through the strong field of cars ahead. > > > > Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an > unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 > seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because > I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the > furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and > bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 21 16:58:49 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 00:58:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> <000201d52551$c2550c70$46ff2550$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401d52884$e451fc30$acf5f490$@gmail.com> Hi John, not easy to choose from 8000 mails I?ve got from Kas, so I take one of them from 2016: I was working on engine temperature on the TR8 and Kas had some input on this. ?Good point on the restrictor plate. Ease of mind. Thirty minutes is along LONG time to just sit and idle. I presume the fan is electric. On my racing TR-3 (fan on the crankshaft) I used a lot of big wrench to adjust the steel base of the blades flat. We were required to run the fan in those days, but no one ever spotted the fact that my blades were flat. About 4-5 hp I figured at 6000.? Cheers Chris Von: John Styduhar Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juni 2019 00:51 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris, how about an example of advice from Kas to share with the group. Thanks On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Jun 22 02:55:25 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:55:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about the same time in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship. I had already 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 2011 I had an advance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall in 2010 and 2011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, me in the first place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 he did beat me for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favourite track. By then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he was working with Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I could beat Chris : I finished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerfull, but maybe there was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't beat him anymore. His determination, Kas helping him to the full and his experience with the TR8, with wich he is competing in much faster championships, has ironed him to a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot from the books of Kas and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engine and dyno work but since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping me in the chassis department. In there is small possibility, I will try to beat Chris once again : this is only possible if my car is better than his. But with 67 years old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only give someone specific advice if he knows your car of course, all general information about racing Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguements over the years, but we always kept talking to each other and over the years, although we are different characters, mutual respect has grown. I have to add that I have great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost him an awful lot of work and time and money and he got more than a fair share of heavy blows along the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champion! I will post a lead to a video of the same race at the Assen circuit, onboard of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drilled by accident in the microphone lead Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 00:03:53 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Jun 22 04:29:45 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:29:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Another video of the Assen race of June16th2019 In-Reply-To: <1852245884.13473209.1561198742872.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1852245884.13473209.1561198742872.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <608223615.13555238.1561199385920.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The spinning mauve Triumph is the TR5 of Bruno Dwinger who won the Tiumph Competition and British GT championship some 17 years ago. Bruno Dwinger is a well known german Triumph specialist in Europe. Now his nephew is starting to race with that same car. Trh green TR4 that hit the bollards is Philippe Vermast, bending a steering rod in the accident. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 12:19:02 Onderwerp: [Fot] Another video of the Assen race of June16th2019 https://youtu.be/ykXYTXdT7J0 This is another video of the same race at Assen, from 6'10" onwards. I'm in the red/blue striped TR4a (bought from Bob Kramer in 2014) Chris Marx and Philippe Vermast are starting the race from the last row. Marcel _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 07:59:31 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 08:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 Message-ID: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> FOT: We are looking for a sponsor or sponsors for the Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Even a partial sponsorship is welcome. Marty Sukey is looking at sizes & costs, right now. We will get our expenses paid, in full, one way or another. But this might be an opportunity for a commercial entity or entities to be front row center at what has been the biggest Triumph Event in North America. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jun 22 08:24:37 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> References: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1816731372.425787.1561213477093@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... I pledge a $100.00 'seed money' contribution. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2019 6:59 am Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 FOT: We are looking for a sponsor or sponsors for the Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent.? Even a partial sponsorship is welcome. Marty Sukey is looking at sizes & costs, right now. We will get our expenses paid, in full, one way or another. But this might be an opportunity for a commercial entity or entities to be front row center at what has been the biggest Triumph Event in North America. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Jun 22 09:24:47 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission Message-ID: <38626.1561217087@mitchelplumbing.com> https://www.facebook.com/1 629062980688213/posts/2296 624013932103/ On Wed 19/06/19 2:53 PM , Terry O?Beirne via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent: > I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft > almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement > syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the > need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily > still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but > as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? > Terry > > Another down under racer > FROM: Fot ON BEHALF OF Geoff Byrne via Fot > SENT: 19 June 2019 21:14 > TO: van.mulders.marcel at telenet .be > CC: fot > SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the > synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to > a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a > third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle > bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with > ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining > but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for > me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still > perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. > > If anyone is interested in details email me > > Regards > > Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have > been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these > sets are available now. > > Marcel. > ------------------------ - > VAN: "fot" > AAN: "Tony Drews" > CC: "fot" > VERZONDEN: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 > ONDERWERP: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should > you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved > part numbers . > > T > > Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset > uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger > input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the > stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi- stock bearings. > > When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really > like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear > ratios work well. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Hi, > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the > one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs [6] > DENNIS VESSEY - QUAIFE GEAR KITS FOR TRIUMPH TRS > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog- Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this > gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the > J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in > stock and there was no production scheduled. > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these > to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this > setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the > best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the > 16-tooth 1st laygear. > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the > layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end > float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the > case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end > float. > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really > hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a > new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double > bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they > seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, > the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the > stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality > consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to > know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent > oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can > stay ahead of problems. > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or > more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks > switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where > I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems > like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses > and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at > Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock > Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, > 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. > And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. > Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive > that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if > there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But > you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 > is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is > do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist > and more $$$. ;-) > Regards, > > Bob Lang > > 339-927-4489 > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > Amici > > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is > the best source for getting such > > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs > the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still > helical gears) > > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > > Cheers > > Mike Deweerd #77 > Sent from my iPhone > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [9] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [10] > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [11]http://www.team.net/pi permail/fot [12] > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/robertlang tr6 at yahoo.com [13] > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [15] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [16] > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [17] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [18] > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/tony at tonyd rews.com [19] > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [21] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [22] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [23] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [24] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/horizonrac ing at msn.com [25] > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [27] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [28] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [29] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [30] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/van.mulder s.marcel at telenet.be > [31] > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [33] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [34] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [35] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [36] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/gkbyrne at op tushome.com.au > [37] > > > Links: > ------ > [6] > http://www.vessey- classic-car- services.co.uk/triumph- gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7 > n64[9] http://www.fot- racing.com > [10] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [11] http://autox.team.net/arch ive%20 > [12] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [13] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/robertlang tr6 at yahoo.com > [15] http://www.fot- racing.com > [16] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [17] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [18] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [19] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/tony at tonyd rews.com > [21] http://www.fot- racing.com > [22] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [23] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [24] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [25] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/horizonrac ing at msn.com > [27] http://www.fot- racing.com > [28] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [29] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [30] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [31] > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/van.mulder s.marcel at telenet.be > [33] http://www.fot- racing.com > [34] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [35] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [36] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [37] > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/gkbyrne at op tushome.com.au > > From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jun 22 11:40:51 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:40:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <65E6F850-CAD4-4D28-B606-0118519077B8@me.com> References: <65E6F850-CAD4-4D28-B606-0118519077B8@me.com> Message-ID: <4DA936F4-F97D-4685-9E33-1440481C1B5F@me.com> I just watched this last night. For any of you who have not yet viewed, it is a must. Great videography, fascinating story, two legendary figures totally at ease with each other, and to hear Peter Brock talk about the design is truly insightful. The car running at the recent Kastner Cup sounds fantastic, which adds to the fun. It really is a design that would look contemporary even if produced for the first time today. Thanks to everyone involved - this is a fantastic addition to the history of the Triumph marque, and a great look at what the guys who designed and made them into race cars back in the day (in the U.S.) were thinking about. > From: John Linney via Fot > > Date: June 11, 2019 at 3:56:46 PM EDT > To: John Linney via Fot > > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock > Reply-To: John Linney > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 22 17:47:23 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race videos from Blackhawk Farms last weekend Message-ID: <4b0e21bf-6e69-32d0-c5de-ff0b4589fffc@tonydrews.com> For those who like these... Got the race videos from Blackhawk Farms Raceway last weekend put together. Here's the first one - Saturday morning "Sprint" race. All of the races except the final "Pursuit" race were well fought. Anyhoo, here's race 1: https://youtu.be/UgHc0YEDO38 Here's the Saturday afternoon "Heat" race: https://youtu.be/bLPs54hIVTY Here's the Sunday morning "Feature" race on a drying track: https://youtu.be/XgJw-W5gtRU And finally, here's the Dad's Day Scramble pursuit race from Sunday afternoon: https://youtu.be/sgv0ecD5fd4 Cheers, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jun 23 01:29:54 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1377235983.20912616.1561274994714.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Of course, there are and have been a lot of very capable people but Kas in the Triumph racing community. But if someone wants to learn about Triumph race cars, Kas is the most obvious source, because of his books and the fact that he is even today still busy and genuinely interested in racing Triumphs, and of course, what he says has been proven. So I would like to do justice, we have to appreciate the work of all the people who tried and succeeded in making Triumphs faster and now and then really very fast, Marcel Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "tr4racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 10:55:25 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about the same time in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship. I had already 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 2011 I had an advance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall in 2010 and 2011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, me in the first place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 he did beat me for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favourite track. By then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he was working with Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I could beat Chris : I finished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerfull, but maybe there was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't beat him anymore. His determination, Kas helping him to the full and his experience with the TR8, with wich he is competing in much faster championships, has ironed him to a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot from the books of Kas and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engine and dyno work but since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping me in the chassis department. In there is small possibility, I will try to beat Chris once again : this is only possible if my car is better than his. But with 67 years old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only give someone specific advice if he knows your car of course, all general information about racing Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguements over the years, but we always kept talking to each other and over the years, although we are different characters, mutual respect has grown. I have to add that I have great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost him an awful lot of work and time and money and he got more than a fair share of heavy blows along the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champion! I will post a lead to a video of the same race at the Assen circuit, onboard of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drilled by accident in the microphone lead Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 00:03:53 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. 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URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 24 06:44:31 2019 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 22:44:31 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006801d52a8a$93264570$b972d050$@optusnet.com.au> Terry I would love to have the details on how you set up the box with tapered bearing I was not able to come up with a satisfactory method of fixing and sealing Regards Geoff From: Terry O?Beirne [mailto:tobeirne at skillpro.com.au] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:54 AM To: Geoff Byrne; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 transmission I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony Drews" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 26 20:37:53 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) from www.bpnorthwest.com.? I also have them ceramic coated by Calico coatings.? I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in 15+ years of hard racing. I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too.? Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. Regards, Tony Drews On 6/26/2019 8:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: > > Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was > wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best > choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would > certainly be appreciated. thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 20:52:49 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: They are King tri-metal bearings made in Israel. I used them in the Spitfire and will give Tony?s fancy coating next time around. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) from www.bpnorthwest.com. I also have them ceramic coated by Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in 15+ years of hard racing. > > I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > > Regards, Tony Drews > >> On 6/26/2019 8:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: >> Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Jun 27 03:56:06 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) > from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by > Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in > 15+ years of hard racing. > > I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. > Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jun 27 04:10:49 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: My machine shop recommended the King Tri metal bearings and Calico coating for my TR4A. Said they run them in 600 HP SB Chevys with good results. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:56 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. > >> On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) >> from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by >> Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in >> 15+ years of hard racing. >> I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. >> Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 27 06:24:56 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings - In-Reply-To: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <70BBE9B8-4934-44D8-950B-D4A8C41339C9@me.com> My experience is with my GT6, but should be very similar to your TR6. I get my bearings from Richard Good at GoodParts.com . They are sold as King tri-metal bearings and come in King boxes, but they usually have ?County? stamped on them. There?s an old commentary on the web from Uncle Jack, who said he investigated that, and King told him County was their largest customer, so a lot of bearings are stamped County. Anyway, I?ve been running these for years. In my experience, they hold up pretty well. By that I mean after three race seasons (call it five-six race weekends a year) the rod bearings need to be replaced due to mild wear. The rods go a bit quicker than the mains. I?ve been running them with a Calico coating for the past few years, and they do hold up better, but eventually the coating wears through too. Richard will ship directly to Calico, and Calico?s turn-around is only a few days, so it doesn?t take much extra effort to go this route. The Calico coating seems to add about 1-2 10,000" to the bearing thickness. For comparison, I run 20-50 Penngrade partial synthetic (the former Brad Penn), and peak revs are about 7000; with the occasional 7300 or so. Scott Janzen 68 GT6 On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd > On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > Curious question: > > I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. > > Size says 5.50-9.20-15 > > What size would this be in today's sizing? > > Thanks > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodkent at cox.net Thu Jun 27 15:01:49 2019 From: rodkent at cox.net (charles r kent) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings Message-ID: <8cnbfscxwtdd5op4qicv3g61.1561669309702@email.android.com> Thanks so much for your input, much appreciated! On June 27, 2019, at 3:10 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: My machine shop recommended the King Tri metal bearings and Calico coating for my TR4A. Said they run them in 600 HP SB Chevys with good results. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:56 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. > >> On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) >> from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by >> Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in >> 15+ years of hard racing. >> I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. >> Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rodkent at cox.net From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 15:29:47 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, that?s your first number. I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean by 9.20. Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be wrong). It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. Dustin Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. > > I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. > > FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 > > Todd > > > > > >> On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> >> Curious question: >> >> I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. >> >> Size says 5.50-9.20-15 >> >> What size would this be in today's sizing? >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 27 15:36:59 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:36:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87F25D1E6C9B4C4ABC1FB676390A3C01@Charly> Try this Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 https://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, that?s your first number. I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean by 9.20. Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be wrong). It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. Dustin Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, Curious question: I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. Size says 5.50-9.20-15 What size would this be in today's sizing? 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 15:51:24 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:51:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here is a modern add for a vintage set of Sports Car Specials that describes some of the dimensions. https://vintagewheelsus.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=357 *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:29 PM dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: > To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure > the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, > that?s your first number. > > I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The > bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give > you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean > by 9.20. > > Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 > inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width > gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... > but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. > > So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means > is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be > wrong). > > It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new > 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. > > Dustin > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. > > I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the > 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. > > FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 > > Todd > > > > On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: > > Friends, > > > Curious question: > > I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. > > Size says 5.50-9.20-15 > > What size would this be in today's sizing? > > Thanks > > Todd > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:37 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT.? Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT.? He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata.? Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project.? See attached picture. Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen.? Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT.? 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Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 28 07:27:18 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 07:27:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74406741-6d28-82b5-a916-5530b3cca89a@bradakis.com> On 6/27/19 9:00 PM, mzbarsky--- via Fot wrote: > Thanks all! I look forward to getting my Triumph on track and joining > everyone (fingers crossed for next season). > > ?Looking for something fast, inexpensive and reliable...OK the latter > two anyways. Fast, inexpensive, reliable.? Pick any 2. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 28 07:30:55 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights References: <1597663752.229585.1561728655713.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1597663752.229585.1561728655713@mail.yahoo.com> Word on the street says that publication was just sold to a conglomerate, marking the end of an era. Syd?Silverman started it many, many years ago. Randy Riggs is supposed to stay involved (at least for a while).Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, June 28, 2019,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Nice!? When I got home from Buttonwillow, I signed up for a year's subscription to Vintage Motorsport.? It arrived today, along with the Kastner Cup issue of the VTR magazine.? Such a deal!? Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Jun 28 07:37:02 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:37:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights Message-ID: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 28 09:16:54 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights In-Reply-To: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1421178251.281522.1561735014919@mail.yahoo.com> Mike... When I think of Syd Silverman, I remember a quiet, Guardian Angel of early vintage racing (late 1970s/early 1980s).? I am personally aware of several times when an event or affair was experiencing a revenue shortfall, Syd would step forward with his pen and check book and pick up the pieces.? And he did so quietly.? He was one of the most unpretentious people I ever met.? The other things I remember were the incredible cars he brought to events to race.? Stuff you normally only saw in pictures or behind velvet ropes in a museum.? He raced them.? Mike Silverman told me that when his Dad finally sold his collection, every penny went to charity. Great guy! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson To: Bill Dentinger ; fot Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2019 6:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mailbox Delights #yiv9142355766 #yiv9142355766 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv9142355766 Not just word on? the street.? I received an e-mail announcing it just the other day.? Think it went to every subscriber with a registered e-mail address. I'll miss my twice yearly conversations with Mike Silverman, Syd's son, who was the publisher until this deal. Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Jun 28, 2019 9:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mailbox Delights Word on the street says that publication was just sold to a conglomerate, marking the end of an era. Syd?Silverman started it many, many years ago. Randy Riggs is supposed to stay involved (at least for a while).Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, June 28, 2019,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Nice!? When I got home from Buttonwillow, I signed up for a year's subscription to Vintage Motorsport.? It arrived today, along with the Kastner Cup issue of the VTR magazine.? Such a deal!? Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 18:40:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 00:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <578556204.526109.1561768803685@mail.yahoo.com> Todd,Back in the day I could never get the 9.15's under the rear fenders. I ran 5.00x8.30x15 on my car. I ran the "W" part number which was not cataloged and you had to order them specifically (they were about 1/2" wider - hence the W suffix). Do not know if the 9.15's were available as a W tire so you may need to compare yours to others to determine any actual sizing.Anyway, I just compared a 5.00x8.30x15W to Yokohamas and Hoosiers. The Goodyear was almost as large as a Yoko A008 or Yoko Ao48's. Probably just a bit shorter than either of the 205x60x15 Yokos. The Hoosier Speedsters are a smidge smaller and are about a perfect match for my 5.00x8.30x15W tires.?Your Goodyear's are a bit bit larger than mine so the Yokohama Advan AO52's 205x60x15's would be about a perfect match. Other tires may be slightly different but the comparable size would be 205x60x15. If you want to go to a 50 series tire, will have to check actual measurements...can't help you with those. I'm tired...Nick of Nor Cal On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 2:19:51 PM EDT, Redmond via Fot wrote: I should've been a little bit more clear than mud.? I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, Curious question: I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jun 29 06:22:17 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:22:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car for sale Message-ID: Those of us in the east know Bill Thumel and his very successful Virginia Beach based race prep shop, Abacus. Apparently Bill is selling the real estate that houses some of his collection of race cars, and he is selling his personal TR4 racer. It's being sold as a roller, no engine or gearbox. It's been several years since it was on-track. I have no doubt that the car was prepped to a very high level, as all of Bill's cars are. The asking price is a very reasonable $5000, from the pictures that is a lot of car for the money. I found out about the car from Hank Giffin, a good friend of Bills, who just bought a TR3 racer from the collection. Hank has offered to be a go-between with Bill, and would be happy to deal with Bill and help make a sale happen. 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He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. Can I hear a second? Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net Submitted by Henry Frye From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 07:54:22 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d176d90.1c69fb81.6d159.76da@mx.google.com> Second it is for a first rate guy. If nothing else he now has a TR3 race car. Dean T. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:36 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: hankgiffin at cox.net Subject: [Fot] Nomination It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. Can I hear a second? Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net Submitted by Henry Frye _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 08:00:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1CB5A9-BCA6-47D6-B57E-7C03817218E6@gmail.com> Of course! Welcome aboard. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 29, 2019, at 8:36 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. > > Can I hear a second? > > Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net > > Submitted by Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Jun 29 08:55:29 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:55:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <2135922928.1988.1561820129997@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm happy to second the nomination of Hank Giffin. Hank is an amazing guy! I couldnt ask for a better racing friend or a better BOD member for VDCA. His breadth of knowledge on a huge number of topics is astonishing. I am confident he will be a major asset to the FOT. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jun 29, 2019 9:36 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: hankgiffin at cox.net >Subject: [Fot] Nomination > >It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank >has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife >daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for >years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently >races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a >board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know >who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously >offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus >TR4. > >Can I hear a second? > >Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net > >Submitted by Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jun 29 15:00:47 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes Message-ID: Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jun 29 16:50:02 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 17:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DD6F733-1653-47F1-9FE6-C6E25C992FC2@icloud.com> Autocorrect got me. Looking to replace the Orings on the accusump piston and end caps. I can?t find the sizes listed anywhere. I found about 1/4 qt behind the piston (air side) when cleaning it today. Thanks. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 30 08:43:46 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:43:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed Message-ID: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the....? I'm clueless...next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails...................HELP!! Russ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 11:12:25 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed In-Reply-To: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> References: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1579755925.626249.1561914745761@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Russ,? I am guessing you are having a bandwidth issue when trying to view from the memory card or camera. ?It?s probably the speed of the USB port you are using limiting the video playback quality. ? Try downloading onto a hard drive and I bet the files are fine; just too high quality for how you are trying to view. I hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:43 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? ? I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! ? Russ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 12:31:10 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed In-Reply-To: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> References: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <6F44EAE2-792A-4DA7-8428-6E54C366E87F@ponostyle.com> You don?t need a guru, you need a fast enough pipe between your media and your computer. Your USB port is probably too slow. Even an older hard drive might be too slow. You can either record in a lower resolution or probably just copy the file to a hard drive to view it. If that doesn?t work you might need to update your laptop to something fast enough, preferably something with anSSD (solid state drive). People record stuff in 4k and don?t realize what that means for bandwidth requirements. > On Jun 30, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot > wrote: > > I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. > Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? > > I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! > My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Jun 30 10:39:39 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed References: <1711193253.944113.1561912779740.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1711193253.944113.1561912779740@mail.yahoo.com> For God's sake, Russ.? You're in over your head.? You can't handle anything so technical. ? Unhook all that stuff.? Put it back in their boxes.? Put it up on the top shelf. Or maybe keep it in the bedroom. Polish the race car instead. Rotate the tires (put the best ones on the front). Bill Dentinger PS Do you still have the Kodak Brownie?? I hear they're quite collectable. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jun 30, 2019 7:44 am Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed <!-- #yiv5478874032 _filtered #yiv5478874032 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5478874032 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv5478874032 #yiv5478874032 p.yiv5478874032MsoNormal, #yiv5478874032 li.yiv5478874032MsoNormal, #yiv5478874032 div.yiv5478874032MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv5478874032 a:link, #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478874032 a:visited, #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:windowtext;} #yiv5478874032 .yiv5478874032MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv5478874032 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv5478874032 div.yiv5478874032WordSection1 {} -->I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? ?I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range!My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! ?Russ_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Jun 30 22:47:36 2019 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:47:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Welcome to the "Fot" mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801d52fc8$1bd9f050$538dd0f0$@cox.net> FOTs - thank you for including me in your team mailing. Two of you have expressed interest in the Abacus TR4. It is a quality car and I expect the first responder will take it, but I will keep you informed if that is not the case. I drove a TR3 as a daily driver for 8 years from abt 1967, and had to marry my wife of 51 years because of that car. I would let your imagination run wild with that one, but it wasn't a shotgun wedding! The rest of the story over a beer! The Abacus TR3 I took is in similar condition to the TR4 - very nice. I plan to put it back on the road as an occasional driver and relive some of those knuckle dragging days from the 60s. I need some parts - engine, windscreen, fuel tank, seats, and probably a lot more. But as you all know, TRs are special! Thanks again. Take care, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:10 AM To: hankgiffin at cox.net Subject: Welcome to the "Fot" mailing list Welcome to the Fot at autox.team.net mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: fot at autox.team.net General information about the mailing list is at: http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/hankgiffin%40cox.net You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: Fot-request at autox.team.net with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe without confirmation. It is: omiwesni Normally, Mailman will remind you of your autox.team.net mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 15:24:23 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 21:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. TIA,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 16:37:07 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 22:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: #yiv9371996543 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano at yahoo.com Sat Jun 1 18:51:24 2019 From: bschirano at yahoo.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 00:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> Hi We had this problem when we R & R'd a TR6 trans a couple years ago coinciding with swapping hydraulics while sorting the problem. Turns out the clutch was being over thrown, must of gotten a long throw master or something. discovered this by accident. - ????Dump the clutch to the floor, could not shift - ? ? Put the clutch pedal halfway down gave me proper disengagement etc, and releasing the clutch, no slippage. - ? ? short term fix now in place three years, welded an adjustable stop to the clutch pedal limiting the throw so as to not overthrow the PP Try thatGood luckBrian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 Cell? BSchirano at yahoo.com On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:52:50 PM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jun 2 04:01:05 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1726974423.7700475.1559469665583@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, I was thinking about the Tilton dual clutch setup my 4 has; the snout is a different length that holds the input shaft seal. ? Didn?t realize it until I swapped transmissions and the clutch wouldn?t disengage. ?Pulled the trans again, and then noticed that the snout on the former working setup was machines down for my clutch/flywheel/pressure plate setup. ?? I?m sure you thought of those things, too, but my symptoms matched what you describe. Hope that provides another clue! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:37 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson wrote: #yiv5011764308 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Bob- From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.? Adjustable pushrod on the slave?? Air in the system?? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit.Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jun 2 05:20:49 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 07:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> <1935931962.7625784.1559428627530@mail.yahoo.com> <547934233.10940352.1559436684029@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02b8dc17-1c2d-3144-b2a0-1e0b25eb4740@verizon.net> Could it be that the slave is mounted on the wrong side of the bracket, or the bracket on the wrong side of the bellhousing? I think one of Kas's books addresses that situation. I know I read it somewhere. Cheers, Bill On 6/1/2019 8:51 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hi > > We had this problem when we R & R'd a TR6 trans a couple years ago > coinciding with swapping hydraulics while sorting the problem. Turns > out the clutch was being over thrown, must of gotten a long throw > master or something. discovered this by accident. > > * ????????Dump the clutch to the floor, could not shift > * ?? ?? Put the clutch pedal halfway down gave me proper disengagement > etc, and releasing the clutch, no slippage. > * ?? ?? short term fix now in place three years, welded an adjustable > stop to the clutch pedal limiting the throw so as to not overthrow > the PP > > > Try that > Good luck > Brian > > 26A GT6+, 28 TR6 > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 Cell > BSchirano at yahoo.com > > > On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:52:50 PM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi, > > This is a TR6. The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the > slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of > travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. > > I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was > "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. > > Seriously, I am puzzled by this. > > Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. > > I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I > seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! > > I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional > and just put that back in. Yikes. > > Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. > That's some physical workout. > > Zzzzzzzz > > rml > > On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson > wrote: > > > Bob- > From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady.?? Adjustable > pushrod on the slave??? Air in the system??? I'm assuming this is big > TR, not Spit. > Fred Hodgson > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The hydraulics have been bled 4 times, flushed AND the slave replaced, no difference in the behavior. I get 1/2 inch of travel at the slave to the cross-fork arm. I even tried using the upper hole in the clutch arm in case I was "just a skosh" short of enough motion. No difference. Seriously, I am puzzled by this. Oh, and I did try an adjustable push rod. I need to order a rebuild kit for the clutch MC. With all the spares I seem to have, I don't have any Tilton rebuild kits. SHOCKING! I'm now going through the tranny to see if I can make it functional and just put that back in. Yikes. Between THU and FRI this week, I did EIGHT tranny and clutch swaps. That's some physical workout. Zzzzzzzz rml On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 6:00:31 PM EDT, Fred and Mary Hodgson > wrote: Bob- >From what you describe, it sounds like a hydraulic malady. Adjustable pushrod on the slave? Air in the system? I'm assuming this is big TR, not Spit. Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19522 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 2 18:38:18 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 00:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1902581386.7878665.1559522298694@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the replies. After playing with everything over the weekend, I was able to get the clutch to work by playing with the push rod length for the clutch MC. I'm not sure why this adjustment was needed, but something about the combination of parts resulted in inadequate motion at the clutch fork. I'll sort it out later, but I may upgrade from the 3/4" clutch MC to a 7/8" as part of the eventual solution. On the downside - I spun the thrust washers in the C/R tranny, so it looks like another case is toast. But the car should run okay now, so I'm ready for Thompson in a couple of weeks. Thanks again! rml On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 6:07:51 PM EDT, Jason Sukey wrote: Hi Bob, ? If I didn't know any better your symptoms sound like a cracked or not fully seated taper pin that's rocking back into the "home" position when not under force.? (A stretch i know...). What about the difference in disc thickness; .010" probably translates into a lot more than? .010" additional required travel at the slave cylinder due science and stuff. :). What size master are you using with the Tilton setup? I hope you get it licked. Jason On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 5:24 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. TIA,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Jun 3 00:49:26 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 08:49:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] clutch question In-Reply-To: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2015602328.7636900.1559424263349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1522995422.67195989.1559544566157.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The TR6 has a reputed problem : the wear in the parts that are operating the clutch can add up in a considerable loss of travel of that cylinder : suspension of the clutch pedal(shaft/hole), pedal to MC push rod, slave cylinder push rod to cross shaft, cross shaft to gearbox case. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 juni 2019 23:24:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] clutch question Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. 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URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jun 3 06:27:20 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] clutch question References: <2106821938.8048775.1559564840887.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2106821938.8048775.1559564840887@mail.yahoo.com> Yes that stack-up wear can add up.Having changed many hundreds of these clutches over the last 50 years, aside from hydraulic issues and normal wear and crappy aftermarket release bearings, the most common problem that I see is the broken clutch fork bolt.It shears and then the fork rotates on the shaft a bit and wedges itself tight, and then requires extra pushrod travel to compensate.When all is fitted, the external release arm is pretty much vertical, if it's trailing aft a noticeable amount, the bolt is likely sheared.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Robert Lang Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 2:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] clutch question The TR6 has a reputed problem : the wear in the parts that are operating the clutch can add up in a considerable loss of travel of that? cylinder : suspension of the clutch pedal(shaft/hole), pedal to MC push rod, slave cylinder push rod to cross shaft, cross shaft to gearbox case.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 juni 2019 23:24:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] clutch question Hi, I have a bum c/r tranny, so I figured I'd swap in a stock box just to run while I figure out the problem with the c/r box. Due to the differences with the input shaft, I had to switch to from the 21 spline clutch disk to the stock 10 spline disk. I have done this a couple of times in the past due to "pesky layshaft thrust washers" Both clutch disks measure to within .010 thickness. I bolt everything up and verify via the clutch cross shaft approx. 1/2 inch of travel, which is normal. In neutral, the output flange spins freely. If I try to put the tranny in any gear and push the clutch pedal to the floor and try to spin the output flange by hand, it's locked. The clutch is not releasing. I've measured everything a few times looking for anything that looks amiss and so for, nothing seems to be an indication of why the clutch won't release. Just to be sure that things are free in the bellhousing, I used a pipe on the cross shaft arm and slowly applied pressure and the clutch DOES release so the indication is that I either have mechanical sloppyness or insufficient hydraulic linear motion. I verified that the pivots have no slop and none of the pivot holes are egged out. I did find the pin to the pivot arm was slightly worn, so I threw in a 5/16 bolt to take up slack there, but that was to no avail. In the process, I have tried switching in two different transmissions and several combinations of clutch disks and pressure plates and to this point the clutch will not release when using the clutch pedal but will release as described above when using a pipe on the pivot arm. I plan to re-install the original gear box (and the proper clutch disk) at some point just to see if the problem is resolved but I have no idea if that will work or not. I guess I just have to try and see. But to be honest, doing around 8 transmission swaps in 12 hours is fairly physical not to mention the challenge due to the roll cage. But that's just me being a wimp. ;-) I mean, I could have used that time to actually FIX the C/R transmission - right? All this is more or less a long way of asking - are there any documented measurements for things like the "finger height of the pressure plate measured to the clutch disk" or the height measure from the rear engine plate interface to the clutch fork pin? I bolted several PP's to a spare flywheel and came up with "around 1 inch" when the PP is bolted down, but that doesn't tell me anything like how far the fingers have to depress to open the clutch up. As I mentioned earlier, 1/2" of lever motion usually is adequate, so think that part of the system is correct. In any case, I'm confused and puzzled by this case not to mention slightly bummed because I had to miss some lapping at Lime Rock because the car isn't in a running state right now. I thought about pinging "Click and Clack" and posing this as a "puzzlah", but decided not to. I also know that the solution should be obvious, but to this point is alluding me. So I need a kick in the right direction. 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On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 22:02:53 -0700, J Wagner via Fot wrote: Not Triumph, but.... had it seems appropriate to share with this crowd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkUEjI2dB7g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com ? From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Wed Jun 5 20:12:26 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:12:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire single rail gearbox synchro hub Message-ID: <8A6A4E74-DF81-47A0-A3FA-8BDDBB286165@yahoo.com> Amici, I?ve re-assembled my main shaft and have too much play at the first gear synchro, about 1/8? more than I?d like. Meanwhile my second gear synchro is tighter than I?d like. How do I ?move? the extra space down the shaft? My overall length is good as my bearings are tight against the circlips. It doesn?t seem to make a difference but I?m wondering if I have the inner part of the synchro hub backwards. It has a longer flange around the shaft on one side than the other... about 1/8? longer. Should the longer flange face forward or backwards? Same question for the 3rd/4th synchro hub flange. My synchro clearances are good on 3rd and 4th but I?m second guessing myself that I have the long flange on the correct side. Thanks, Dusty 1971 Spitfire FP #4 Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 6 19:36:52 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 21:36:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6-GT6 head flow rate Message-ID: <0F54004A-CF75-458F-8683-9389AC390D3F@me.com> Does anyone have some flow rate numbers for a well ported head? I assume the Gt6 and Tr6 will flow about the same on a flow bench. Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) Marcel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jun 9 08:17:52 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 08:44:28 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874505473.330501.1560091468756@mail.yahoo.com> I used to run a little toe out on the rear of my Spit racer, darty in a straight line or over bumps and surface imperfections but made a difference in cornering - it was if I remember about .4 sec at Blackhawk Farms On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 09:18:20 AM CDT, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britracer89 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 08:48:54 2019 From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels.?Hope that?s helpful.Good luck,Brian? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in.Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics)Marcel_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 09:12:23 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 11:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: > A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a > tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe > out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. > Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of > scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my > opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for > better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a > cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure > that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip > on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in > the road. > > My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? > toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? > diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. > Hope that?s helpful. > Good luck, > Brian > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot > wrote: > > The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been > running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability > as well as turn in response. > > On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels > have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the > expected toe in. > Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will > change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot > members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results > (especially turn in characteristics) > Marcel > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 10:06:52 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> Interesting that when I inquired about rear toe for the Spitfire, one of our esteemed members suggested 1/8? toe in as a critical setting. I had the race shop check it as I had done nothing more than disassembled rebuilt and reassembled the rear suspension as I had found it. They found the setting at 1/8? toe in. It had come off the track in 1976 after a very successful SCCA career set that way. Good enough for me... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:12 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. > >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: >> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. >> >> My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. >> Hope that?s helpful. >> Good luck, >> Brian >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: >> >> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. >> >> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. >> Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) >> Marcel >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpspitfire at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 10:34:43 2019 From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 10:34:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> <49ADCC46-85C7-4A6B-8342-7D657EEB618A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure the dynamics of a tr4 suspension but yes, I?m with others, spitfire 1/8 total out in front and 1/8 total in at the rear. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Interesting that when I inquired about rear toe for the Spitfire, one of our esteemed members suggested 1/8? toe in as a critical setting. > > I had the race shop check it as I had done nothing more than disassembled rebuilt and reassembled the rear suspension as I had found it. > > They found the setting at 1/8? toe in. It had come off the track in 1976 after a very successful SCCA career set that way. > > Good enough for me... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:12 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >> >> I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. >> >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot wrote: >>> A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. >>> >>> My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. >>> Hope that?s helpful. >>> Good luck, >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: >>> >>> The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. >>> >>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. >>> Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) >>> Marcel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/hpspitfire at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jun 9 11:12:05 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:12:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Rear axle toe in In-Reply-To: References: <453071371.127918093.1560073944294.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <598728903.335408.1560089872707@mail.yahoo.com> <1455311931.410301.1560091734321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <929376758.130698214.1560100325725.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I believe the outer wheel(raising) is gaining toe in and the inner wheel (dropping) is going in the direction of toe out : that should be favourable on turning in. Marcel Van: "John Styduhar" Aan: "Brian Dennis" Cc: "Rick Parent" , "fot" , "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Zondag 9 juni 2019 17:12:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Rear axle toe in I read somewhere that the toe angle varies with the position of the trailing arm through its travel. If you do alignment at the static point, it is not where your trailing arm is when going around a turn. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brian Dennis via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: A little toe out is an old auto-x trick. It helps rotate the car through a tight course. However, for road racing it is probably not optimal. Rear toe out will make it unstable at high speed and will scrub speed on straights. Rear toe in will make the car more stable at high speed at the cost of scrubbing speed. That being said outside of extreme auto-x or similar in my opinion the rear tires should always be zero toe. If you are looking for better turn in try a little toe out at the front. However this comes at a cost as well. It will scrub speed and can induce some ?dartyness? (not sure that?s a word) in the steering. So make sure you keep your hands and grip on the wheel at all times. Toe out will want to follow any crack or rut in the road. My hillclimb spitsix (gt6 suspension) I run zero toe at the rear and 1/16? toe out at the front measured at the center of tire sidewall on 20? diameter tire and 13? dia wheels. Hope that?s helpful. Good luck, Brian [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 10:18 AM, Rick Parent via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN The general rule is you never want toe out on the rear, if you have been running that way you should notice a difference in straight line stability as well as turn in response. On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 5:52:49 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Checking the rear axle of my TR4A racecar, I found that the rear wheels have 2mm toe out (distance between the tyres front to rear) instead of the expected toe in. Removing 1 shim on the outside suspension point of the trailing arms will change things to 2.5mm toe in. I think I will go for that, unless fot members have experienced that more or less toe in are giving better results (especially turn in characteristics) Marcel _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com ] BQ_BEGIN BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com ] BQ_END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > Thanks, > Dusty >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harveykinnard at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 12:42:11 2019 From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 13:42:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> My sentiments exactly. I second that philosophy, motion, or vote. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Dusty... > > I think ANY TR3 that went to battle is significant, and deserves to be revered and preserved. > > If I get a VOTE, I vote, "YES!" > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dustin nicholson via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am > Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? > > Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dusty > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From igofaster at att.net Sun Jun 9 14:19:25 2019 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES....also, the one on the left?? Small Mouth? Bobby Whitehead On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 1:42:23 PM CDT, Harvey Kinnard via Fot wrote: My sentiments exactly. I second that philosophy, motion, or vote.? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Dusty... I think ANY TR3 that went to battle is significant, and deserves to be revered and preserved. If I get a VOTE, I vote, "YES!" Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 11:11 am Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? Distinctive roll bar and paint color, I?m hoping someone recognizes it. Supposedly turned into a racecar in the 60s. Tom Laines of Oklahoma was the last owner, he has passed away so I?m hoping someone else can tell me if this car has any significant history and is worth me taking on the project. > > > Thanks, > Dusty >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 15:22:24 2019 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <925c3c1f-f582-8b5c-58a4-fb2e9542a65d@gmail.com> On 6/9/19 1:19 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES....also, the one on the > left?? Small Mouth? > > Bobby Whitehead The white one on the left is a TR3A with TR2 front piece. TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 16:46:42 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 16:46:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <925c3c1f-f582-8b5c-58a4-fb2e9542a65d@gmail.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> <925c3c1f-f582-8b5c-58a4-fb2e9542a65d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7166CA46-E197-4B53-9B69-7BBC7E6CC02A@yahoo.com> @TeriAnn - Touch?! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > The white one on the left is a TR3A with TR2 front piece. > > TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 9 19:03:43 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:03:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82d192fc-78e6-ee3d-f2fe-114bca41b4a5@bradakis.com> Based simply on the color I was going to say Cheesehead, but it doesn't look modified enough. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 9 20:22:04 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:22:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anybody recognize this TR3 racecar? In-Reply-To: <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <85FC4CE0-9037-49C6-BD6C-AE7C469520A5@yahoo.com> <12AC3726-C5A3-424E-8A5C-9A1A890DE8DF@yahoo.com> <909905367.440562.1560104293286@mail.yahoo.com> <04B2B9FD-3A08-4C60-81F8-C237E5576B7E@gmail.com> <1521373843.466703.1560111565165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0ad75c66-6899-8767-8d1a-d19ab152a1e2@bradakis.com> On 6/9/19 2:19 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot wrote: > I'm inclined if it is in your heart,,, YES. Just a comment on this sentiment.? I am pretty sure I have mentioned this before.? Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I went to look at a TR4.? It was red, it was a bit rusty, but it ran.? I made the seller an offer, he said he would get back to me.? He later called and said the car was mine.? I go to his place to do the formalities and he says that a couple of other folks offered more money, but he was selling it to me.? None of the others had quite the same look in their eyes, the same smile on their face as they looked it over.? He could tell, he just somehow knew that I deserved that car. Spent many happy years with The Rust Rocket as I came to call it, both in and under it, on the track, on the street, at the autocross. That fellow was right. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: creeper.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 249780 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jun 10 14:41:16 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 16:41:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. I see Craig at Summit Point just about every Jefferson 500. He introduced himself when he first saw my GT6. His bio, below, speaks for itself. The best part, I think, is that Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the previous owners. So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on the track and letting those GT6s race together again. Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me. 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Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me. I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and would hope I could further the cause of the organization. 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Great bio, and another GT6!? - Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen via Fot To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Cc: Judi Miller Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. ?I see Craig at Summit Point just about every Jefferson 500. ?He introduced himself when he first saw my GT6. ?His bio, below, speaks for itself. ?The best part, I think, is that Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the previous owners. ?So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on the track and letting those GT6s race together again.Do I have a second? Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sportscars and sports car racing since I graduated from high school.? I became hooked on SCCA racing in the summerof 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 years oldto join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over the years. Ihave been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was Assistant CompetitionDirector to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove the pace car one season aswell. ?I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over theyears. I raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held aNational Competition License. I still own the car and am presently restoring itwith the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time gets away from me.I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and wouldhope I could further the cause of the organization.Thanks,Craig Miller _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 15:54:26 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second the nomination. On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?d like to nominate Craig Miller to FOT. I see Craig at Summit Point > just about every Jefferson 500. He introduced himself when he first saw my > GT6. His bio, below, speaks for itself. The best part, I think, is that > Craig used to race against my car back in the day, and knows several of the > previous owners. So, I?m looking forward to Craig getting his car back on > the track and letting those GT6s race together again. > Do I have a second? > > Craig?s Bio: I have been involved with sports cars and sports car racing > since I graduated from high school. I became hooked on SCCA racing in the > summer of 1967, and have been a member of SCCA since 1970. You had to be 21 > years old to join back then. I have held a number of positions in SCCA over > the years. I have been a corner worker, corner captain, driver, was > Assistant Competition Director to Sue Rothel one season, and I also drove > the pace car one season as well. I have owned an MGB, a TR6, a Spitfire > 1500, and a Triumph GT6+ over the years. I raced the GT6 in D Production > from 1973 through 1979 and held a National Competition License. I still own > the car and am presently restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage > racing before time gets away from me. > > I would enjoy being a member of Friends of Triumph and would hope I could > further the cause of the organization. > > Thanks, > > Craig Miller > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jun 10 15:55:48 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:55:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <322657ab-8726-1cee-9270-3090d620b8e0@bradakis.com> On 6/10/19 2:41 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > II raced the GT6 in D Production from 1973 through 1979 and held a > National Competition License. I still own the car and am presently > restoring it with the hopes of doing some vintage racing before time > gets away from me. I know that feeling.? Craig is added. mjb. From john at linneyweb.com Tue Jun 11 13:56:46 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:56:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock Message-ID: It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms -John John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 11 15:52:38 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at IMRRC Watkins Glen Message-ID: <694C0D8B-A777-4565-915C-A65C8B16A26F@cs.com> FOT, Anybody have any candidates to have on display at IMRRC during the Triumph event in September? One or two. Car(s) can be driven during the re-enactment on Friday afternoon/evening. They will promote the car and the owner quite nicely. There might be other perks. Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jun 11 17:09:46 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:09:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement Message-ID: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> FOT: One of our Aussies got dropped off the list. It?s time he came back. Triumph guy, of course, among other cars. He and his wife have even been our guests at the Blackhawk Farms Kastner Cup. Tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Mark, plunk your magic twanger and make him reappear. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 17:13:08 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Terry_O=E2=80=99Beirne=2E_Reinstatement?= Message-ID: <67330227-099F-483C-A590-C39AAC27CCFC@gmail.com> I forgot to mention his name. Sorry, Terry. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 11 17:26:33 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 17:26:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement In-Reply-To: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> References: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> Message-ID: <10cfc795-0883-783b-1404-37438ea093eb@bradakis.com> On 6/11/19 5:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > One of our Aussies got dropped off the list. It?s time he came back. > Triumph guy, of course, among other cars. He and his wife have even been our guests at the Blackhawk Farms Kastner Cup. > > Tobeirne at skillpro.com.au > > Mark, plunk your magic twanger and make him reappear. > Done, Terry is back on. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jun 11 17:33:06 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:33:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re-instatement In-Reply-To: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> References: <0905C8CF-ADEB-42E6-A1F8-8CA1443872FE@cs.com> Message-ID: <2849B0B2ECD747CF89E48D98BAD8B6E0@VlackTK121647> Mark did you get my request for Tony Sheach. I sent it to your personal email. He also got dropped somehow. JVV From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 11 17:37:38 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow.? Very nicely done.? I was captivated. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/11/2019 2:56 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From john at linneyweb.com Tue Jun 11 17:47:15 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:47:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tony! > On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Wow. Very nicely done. I was captivated. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/11/2019 2:56 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: >> It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. >> >> Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. >> >> I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. >> >> Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. >> >> Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A >> >> To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms >> >> -John >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 11 20:50:40 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 02:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Framing John DeLorean References: <449785764.178486.1560307840408.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449785764.178486.1560307840408@mail.yahoo.com> Amici.. Just watched "Framing John DeLorean" On Demand (also available to rent on other channels). Very interesting. ?Highly recommended. Brilliant Engineer and Marketing Genius, but let ambition warp his morals. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jun 11 22:07:42 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that car sing and dance. Sweet! Dave H. > On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot wrote: > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 04:10:32 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 06:10:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> Oh, what could have been? Thanks for bringing the story to video, John. Duncan > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:07 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that car sing and dance. Sweet! > Dave H. >> On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot > wrote: >> >> >> It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. >> >> Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. >> >> I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. >> >> Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. >> >> Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A >> >> To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms >> >> -John >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 06:18:01 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> References: <1260804623.383608.1560312463028@connect.xfinity.com> <22FF02BE-BE1E-4201-B18E-AC2887E16936@gmail.com> Message-ID: The whole thing was great. TR250K to TR7 transitional graphic was an outstanding visual. I will watch it again but what did Peter Brock say about the car being better than the Cobra Daytona coupes? Bob Kramer On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:10 AM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > Oh, what could have been? > > Thanks for bringing the story to video, John. > > Duncan > > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:07 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: > > That's beautiful, John. Really fantastic! Thanks to you, Peter and Kas. > Amazing. Thanks to Bill Hart and Tony Garmey too. Tony really makes that > car sing and dance. Sweet! > Dave H. > > On June 11, 2019 at 12:56 PM John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve > completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and > Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You > may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in > depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. > It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in > noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank > for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the > car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to > Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as > supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all > welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? > https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 06:38:09 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:38:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanking John Linney. Classic Motor Films Message-ID: FOT: It is a brilliant documentary and greatly appreciated by everyone. But imagine when 10, 15, 20 years from now, when enthusiasts discover this historical moment. This moment will come back alive, and we are all part of it. John Linney joined us on his own time and on his own dime. Forthcoming, is the Kastner Cup 2020 at Mid-Ohio. It would be great if he could join us again. Thank you John Linney. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jun 12 07:32:21 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> John Fascinating, loved the video, great story telling, editing, and quality. Thanks for capturing this important story in such a artful fashion. Very well done, you have a gift. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Linney via Fot Sent: June 11, 2019 3:57 PM To: John Linney via Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms -John John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 12 11:02:55 2019 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Message-ID: AMICI - Who is going to Blackhawk this weekend? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 12 11:13:42 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:13:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk In-Reply-To: <20190612170339.7273BA0954@autox.team.net> References: <20190612170339.7273BA0954@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I am. Tony Drews On 6/12/2019 12:02 PM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > AMICI - Who is going to Blackhawk this weekend? > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Jun 12 11:40:01 2019 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:40:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> References: <006601d52123$43a5a9c0$caf0fd40$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <463C0D37-D25C-416E-B644-5BACB015E71E@linneyweb.com> Thanks Paul - And thank you all for the great feedback. I have put together a special page on my web site where you can also see some close-up stills from the video. Check out https://classicmotorfilms.com/tr250k . > On Jun 12, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > John > > Fascinating, loved the video, great story telling, editing, and quality. Thanks for capturing this important story in such a artful fashion. > > Very well done, you have a gift. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of John Linney via Fot > Sent: June 11, 2019 3:57 PM > To: John Linney via Fot > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Wed Jun 12 15:13:51 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:13:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk In-Reply-To: <20190612170343.710C0A09DA@autox.team.net> References: <20190612170343.710C0A09DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9265BEB8-435B-4499-8B9A-594A66CA1602@att.net> We will be there. Paul > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > > AMICI - Who is going to Blackhawk this weekend? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The double vision I had two years ago is much better, but it's still there, and if I smack into someone because I'm turning into the wrong corner I couldn't forgive myself. So its curtains to roughly 50 years of racing something: Flat track and TT motorcycles, motocross, road racing motorcycles, road racing cars, and vintage car racing, culminating with being the honored caretaker of the remarkable Peyote since 1999. I'm getting Peyote ready to sell, since it doesn't belong in a collection gathering dust, it should be raced, and raced hard. As it always has been, for 60 years. I?ll also eventually be selling Ambro 001, though it?s going to take some time. I?m rebodying it, with an Ambro body that doesn?t weigh 250 pounds. More like 60. And Peyotifying it. Fast and pretty. Like my hero, Mr. Kastner, I?m concentrating on stuff in the water, but instead of racing sailboats I?m playing around with hydrofoils on surfboards and other silly stuff. It will be some time until I finish the Ambro, and I?d like to stay on the list to see what all you folks are up to. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 16 22:28:52 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:28:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Peyote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7cee7a46-9a1f-8f44-51ec-0539865c0a9d@bradakis.com> Wow.? That's some news.? But none of us are getting any younger, time does take its toll.? Hopefully Peyote will go to someone on the list already, or at least a person who should be on this list. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 17 07:54:54 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:54:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. Message-ID: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> Friends of Triumph: This might make a good time to make a few announcements on the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup: We are working with Rick Parent and Tony Parella of SVRA. SVRA has extended FREE ENTRY to the Kastner Cup Entrants. We currently have two UK based vintage race cars pursuing the logistics of shipping their cars to the Kastner Cup. Jeff Snook is supporting that effort to the extent that he can. Marty Sukey, and others, are going to be at this annual SVRA event next weekend. They will be examining the FOT Paddock Location and associated costs. Clark Lincoln has been ?commissioned? to do the artwork for the annual Kastner Cup Poster. (We have the best artists in Steve Belfer and Clark Lincoln). Jerry Van Vlack has volunteered to do the Event Shirts. (Big Job) Shawn Frank continues as our ?Media Maven? and Chief Photog. He will likely be working with Pam Shawtraw of SVRA. We have invited John Linney to join us with his Video Equipment and Hi-Tech Drone. (We may need to figure out a way to get this done) Rick Parent is our Chief of Tech and our liaison to SVRA. Eligibility will likely be considered on a case by case basis, with Rick as the final judge on Equipment. Kas and I are working on the BUDGET. Since we have no treasury, it is likely that we will need to make an assessment to the Entrants. If some entity wants to sponsor the Hospitality Tent we would likely accept an offer to do so. Kastner?s Expenses Trophy Expenses Hospitality Tent Expense. We can recover the cost of the Posters and Shirts thru sales. We sold posters and FOT decals at Buttonwillow. That yielded $330. So the posters and decals were paid for, but little excess. Thank you to all that are supporting this ?RETURN TO MID-OHIO?. The One Year Count Down Begins. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 11:22:29 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:22:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Message-ID: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jun 17 12:17:10 2019 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:17:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Belfer Kastner Cup Poster plus four FOT decals. Duplicate Shipment Message-ID: <6F74DF6F-B21C-4678-B62E-B909B0D2D61B@cs.com> Michael Kutka ended up with two sets. We could forward to someone, if interested. Or we still have a few more posters and decals, if more interest is there. Contact me. Thanks! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 12:18:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. In-Reply-To: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> References: <673C0C2B-13F8-4BA3-B096-E40CCBC0DEBE@cs.com> Message-ID: <1167341581.2617893.1560795536404@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... Not sure if I will still be up to attending (getting old is not for the meek), but I would certainly contribute to any collection of funds for expenses. Keep me in the loop. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 6:55 am Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 Mid-Ohio. June of 2020. Friends of Triumph: This might make a good time to make a few announcements on the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup: We are working with Rick Parent and Tony Parella of SVRA. SVRA has extended FREE ENTRY to the Kastner Cup Entrants. We currently have two UK based vintage race cars pursuing the logistics of shipping their cars to the Kastner Cup. Jeff Snook is supporting that effort to the extent that he can. Marty Sukey, and others, are going to be at this annual SVRA event next weekend. They will be examining the FOT Paddock Location and associated costs. Clark Lincoln has been ?commissioned? to do the artwork for the annual Kastner Cup Poster. (We have the best artists in Steve Belfer and Clark Lincoln). Jerry Van Vlack has volunteered to do the Event Shirts. (Big Job) Shawn Frank continues as our ?Media Maven? and Chief Photog. He will likely be working with Pam Shawtraw of SVRA. We have invited John Linney to join us with his Video Equipment and Hi-Tech Drone. (We may need to figure out a way to get this done) Rick Parent is our Chief of Tech and our liaison to SVRA. Eligibility will likely be considered on a case by case basis, with Rick as the final judge on Equipment. Kas and I are working on the BUDGET. Since we have no treasury, it is likely that we will need to make an assessment to the Entrants. If some entity wants to sponsor the Hospitality Tent we would likely accept an offer to do so. Kastner?s Expenses Trophy Expenses Hospitality Tent Expense. We can recover the cost of the Posters and Shirts thru sales. We sold posters and FOT decals at Buttonwillow. That yielded $330. So the posters and decals were paid for, but little excess. Thank you to all that are supporting this ?RETURN TO MID-OHIO?.? The One Year Count Down Begins. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 13:35:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 21:35:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> Hi Bill, It is not allowed to touch other cars in this racing group (still happen occasionally, but rarely). So everybody is taking care which makes it more fun to go through corners with 2 or 3 cars and see how is on front :) They Healey driver managed to pass me on the grass. I tried to gently block his line but that didn?t disturb him. He went on the green ?. Great driving and bravery of him :) So much fun to race with a great bunch of people. Assen is a track with many engine failures. As soon as possible I tried to save the engine, keeping the revs low. Thank you for your compliment! Cheers Chris Von: Bill Dentinger Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:18 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris... AWESOME! I am particularly impressed with the close racing early on. You pulled off some extremely close maneuvers without an incident. Only the laundry knows how exciting such close racing can be. Early on, that yellow Austin Healy's straight line speed was an issue, but you got it handled eventually. I was also impressed with how 'gentle you are with the car's drive train' during the long periods when you were alone on the track. Those were still some of your fastest laps, but rarely did you even touch 6,000 rpms. Das ist GUT! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 17 14:09:48 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:09:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> Hi John, You are right. His move wasn?t correct. I?ve tried to distract him with a tiny move to the left. He didn?t care and went over the grass. Good that the Dutch grass is more sticky than the British one :) At that moment I was happy he passed my as I had more fun to have a go again on him. Sorry that I?m so selfish. Cheers Chris Von: JOHN DAVIES Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:56 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen You cannot legally pass someone if you are not on the track. In UK racing, "exceeding the racing limits" which are marked by white lines where there are no kerbs, can annul a pass, can get you a time penalty, or a visit to the Clerk of the Course and disqualification. As all know, a car on the grass is a car out of control. Personally, I'm fed up with drivers who take a risk and cause me damage as a result. I hope that this sort of racing isn't what might happen at the Kastner Cup! John ----Original message---- >From : fot at autox.team.net Date : 17/06/2019 - 20:35 (GMTST) To : fot at autox.team.net Subject : Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Hi Bill, It is not allowed to touch other cars in this racing group (still happen occasionally, but rarely). So everybody is taking care which makes it more fun to go through corners with 2 or 3 cars and see how is on front :) They Healey driver managed to pass me on the grass. I tried to gently block his line but that didn?t disturb him. He went on the green ?. Great driving and bravery of him :) So much fun to race with a great bunch of people. Assen is a track with many engine failures. As soon as possible I tried to save the engine, keeping the revs low. Thank you for your compliment! Cheers Chris Von: Bill Dentinger > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2019 21:18 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris... AWESOME! I am particularly impressed with the close racing early on. You pulled off some extremely close maneuvers without an incident. Only the laundry knows how exciting such close racing can be. Early on, that yellow Austin Healy's straight line speed was an issue, but you got it handled eventually. I was also impressed with how 'gentle you are with the car's drive train' during the long periods when you were alone on the track. Those were still some of your fastest laps, but rarely did you even touch 6,000 rpms. Das ist GUT! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jun 17 17:47:52 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 17:51:50 2019 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (James Palmer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> Second! Jamie Palmer > On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. > > Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. > > At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. > > Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? > > Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com > > From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 19:14:18 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:14:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <21D0BEFA-C52E-43A7-80CC-368EB8AECD3B@gmail.com> Second! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 4:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. > > Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. > > At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. > > Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? > > Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com > > From pethier7 at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 19:19:05 2019 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Phil Ethier) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54746508-DDAE-4DD2-9A10-3FCA0352E8AA@gmail.com> Not only is Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?. No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 19:33:01 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673@mail.yahoo.com> 2nd vowel dominant? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, June 17, 2019,?Phil Ethier via Fot??wrote: Not only is? Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?.? No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne? (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jun 17 19:33:01 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170722557.2842723.1560821581673@mail.yahoo.com> 2nd vowel dominant? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, June 17, 2019,?Phil Ethier via Fot??wrote: Not only is? Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?.? No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne? (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jun 17 21:08:49 2019 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:08:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels Message-ID: Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Jun 18 05:54:32 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:54:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Nomination In-Reply-To: <1617201932.213411740.1560839960756.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <9c7e34ff0377fef3de57da9a8038cf63@tr4racer.com> <2CBDD015-E83E-487C-8B38-26C5EBA17FF7@yahoo.com> <54746508-DDAE-4DD2-9A10-3FCA0352E8AA@gmail.com> <1617201932.213411740.1560839960756.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1140428549.215893916.1560858872582.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> ----- Doorgestuurd bericht ----- Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Phil Ethier" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 08:39:20 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Nomination Fil atj??, I would not expect otherwise from cl?d' ganje Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "James Palmer" Cc: "fot" , lotusgagne at rogers.com Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 03:19:05 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Nomination Not only is Claude a great guy, but he is also one of the folks who has confirmed my grandfather?s pronunciation of ?Ethier?. No, it is not the same as the Parisian French taught in USA schools... Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:51 PM, James Palmer via Fot wrote: > > Second! > > Jamie Palmer > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I would like to nominate Claude Gagne to the Friends of Triumph. >> >> Years ago Mark and I paddocked next to Claude running a Lotus FF, and enjoyed the French Canadian's approach to racing. We have enjoyed his company at several events since then, and he has since sold his FF and is now racing an Elan. Claude and his lovely wife travel North America racing, the list of their travels is quite impressive. >> >> At Mosport this past weekend, we again met up with Claude and he informed us he has a Spitfire that he wants to convert to a race car. After some conversation we may have convinced him buying an existing Spitfire racer would be a more affordable way to get on track with a Triumph. >> >> Claude could use our help, can I hear a second? >> >> Claude Gagne (pronounced like those white puffy things in the sky) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Tue Jun 18 06:33:03 2019 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A484B0A781A9940931D66568758C25D23FBF528@A0775-XPO1043-C.ad.allstate.com> Allen - I would contact either of the following: The Roadster Factory (800) 234-1104 Team Triumph (330) 392-7176 Larry Ross Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________________ From: Fot [fot-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of Allen Washatko via Fot [fot at autox.team.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 11:08 PM To: FOT Subject: [External] [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fot-2Dracing.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=f2Tku6gjYmWXcoVmIeVMpidKme7jxInKh4bURoEKGps&e= Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=qA0ToACu8sD2O2PWeH9mNf70e35V5wjbh099mCY8ljQ&e= Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=8LBPN8cxgnNCzK7v582EboztiUpRm58KXQ1c1-Ab_5E&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_fot&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=tf0479IQpOxyHFyo86hfBpCoj8cyqc57HEQC12MBabc&e= Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_fot_lawrenceross-40allstate.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=DDtSG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&m=5EJ-cNtHKH_GPo_9UGy-Zeig0HHY3Q3hlCDfy2bRbOg&s=nGF21jFf_izB4tLw0gNdkdHekCeBmrHC8uOb--amTfs&e= From chip at theukmotorsports.com Tue Jun 18 06:51:40 2019 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:51:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 > Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deweerdm at rogers.com Tue Jun 18 07:02:04 2019 From: deweerdm at rogers.com (Mike Deweerd) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission Message-ID: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 08:24:51 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs | | | | | | | | | | | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife | | | Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.png Type: image/png Size: 514314 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jun 18 08:41:13 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings Message-ID: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> The VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport continues to be the thrill of my racing calendar. The Canadians are really great hosts, spectacular competitors, and it's all about good, hard, clean racing. The off-track activities are pretty special as well, VARAC's president does double duty as the event chair. I think this was his fourth year doing it, so all the off-track stuff runs like clockwork. And the track... Just ask anybody who ever ran Mosport! VARAC has always gridded races based on your finishing position of the last race, not by best lap of the weekend. You are challenged to run hard every lap, and if you are a DNS/DNF, you start in the back for the next race. Plus, VARAC changed their format on run groups a year or two ago, now we are essentially Bracket Racing! You state within a 5 second window what class you want to be in, and they group all the Historic cars accordingly. (The Classic (newer, heavier) cars do the same thing, but in their own run groups) For every lap you break out of your minimum time, you get penalized one lap, so your starting position gets pushed back. Our own Mike Moore had a spectacular weekend but kept running 1:44's busting his bracket, so his starts were further and further back, but the smile on his face made it clear his was having a ball. The Triumph/MG Challenge race was another win for Triumph! When the finishing order has Triumphs in the top 4 spots, it's tough to fudge the math to give the honors to the Octagon Guys. Plus, after our 4th place car crossed the finish line the starter waited 57 seconds for the first MG to make it around! We kicked butt. We had only 6 Triumphs there, plenty of room for more next year! Henry From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jun 18 08:49:04 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> Message-ID: <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. Russ From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM To: Chip Collingwood Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. Allen Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jun 18 08:52:16 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings In-Reply-To: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> References: <32914b7d5ac58b787d346373e17deb3a@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <299191966.3113984.1560869536053@mail.yahoo.com> HOORAY for our side! Was it not the site of the very first Kastner Cup, with Uncle Jack as its first winner? And VARAC certainly is a gracious host. I only raced there once, and yet I still have dreams about Turn TWO. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 7:41 am Subject: [Fot] Mosport musings The VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport continues to be the thrill of my racing calendar. The Canadians are really great hosts, spectacular competitors, and it's all about good, hard, clean racing. The off-track activities are pretty special as well, VARAC's president does double duty as the event chair. I think this was his fourth year doing it, so all the off-track stuff runs like clockwork. And the track... Just ask anybody who ever ran Mosport! VARAC has always gridded races based on your finishing position of the last race, not by best lap of the weekend. You are challenged to run hard every lap, and if you are a DNS/DNF, you start in the back for the next race. Plus, VARAC changed their format on run groups a year or two ago, now we are essentially Bracket Racing! You state within a 5 second window what class you want to be in, and they group all the Historic cars accordingly. (The Classic (newer, heavier) cars do the same thing, but in their own run groups) For every lap you break out of your minimum time, you get penalized one lap, so your starting position gets pushed back. Our own Mike Moore had a spectacular weekend but kept running 1:44's busting his bracket, so his starts were further and further back, but the smile on his face made it clear his was having a ball. The Triumph/MG Challenge race was another win for Triumph! When the finishing order has Triumphs in the top 4 spots, it's tough to fudge the math to give the honors to the Octagon Guys. Plus, after our 4th place car crossed the finish line the starter waited 57 seconds for the first MG to make it around! We kicked butt. We had only 6 Triumphs there, plenty of room for more next year! Henry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at CompsNW.com Tue Jun 18 08:53:59 2019 From: agb at CompsNW.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A Alec Buchan Sent from the field on my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > > The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. > > Russ > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Chip Collingwood > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > Allen, > > I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. > > Chip > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.c.cutter at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:02:58 2019 From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. Cheers, Dave [image: Headlight Rings.JPG] [image: Spit_Headlights.JPG] On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure > out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers > on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love > the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would > like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I > understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, > which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around > it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight > ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass > bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit > inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight > buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with > screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other > thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the > necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to > bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m > talking about > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Headlight Rings.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 143767 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Spit_Headlights.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 49083 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:14:51 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks David, Jonathan just called. I forgot to mention the decals to him. I should run a FOT special, if anybody else wants them. Pegasus has them and Moss is picking them up, soon. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 18, 2019, at 10:02 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:34:22 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AA2D57-0DCA-4BE9-B03C-343C40A9FCAE@gmail.com> My headlamp rings have 3 aluminum tabs pop riveted on with a hole drilled in them for a bolt to go through holes in the bonnet... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about > > > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Jun 18 10:01:02 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 18:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> Message-ID: <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> In the Moss Europe catalogues, all doors have the same part number : TR4 to TR6 till 1973 (also european and US models have the same doors). After 1973 the TR6 doors had a different part number because of some reinforcement against accidents. Also TR4 doors are slanted at the B-post are they not? Sorry to be pedantic but I believe if someone has a spare TR4 door, it will fit for Allens car. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Spitfire Racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 16:53:59 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A Alec Buchan Sent from the field on my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. Russ From: Fot [ [ mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net | mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] ] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM To: Chip Collingwood Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Allen, I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. Chip On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Greetings, I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. As always, thanks for any assistance. 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jun 18 10:06:12 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels In-Reply-To: <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <6D2A613C-F6B0-4D48-B4CF-11DDC0AB9A9B@me.com> <002e01d525e4$fb5d61f0$f21825d0$@rr.com> <7D8C86E6-5AC7-494F-8143-59259DED62AE@CompsNW.com> <1643933628.217528010.1560873662339.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <33BD59DF-AB1A-4D13-9427-E23B56D0E76E@aol.com> Allen; I also have a door. Most likely a TR4 or 4A. I am in Massachusetts. May or may not be closer than Chip. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:01 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > In the Moss Europe catalogues, all doors have the same part number : TR4 to TR6 till 1973 (also european and US models have the same doors). After 1973 the TR6 doors had a different part number because of some reinforcement against accidents. > Also TR4 doors are slanted at the B-post are they not? Sorry to be pedantic but I believe if someone has a spare TR4 door, it will fit for Allens car. > Marcel > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Spitfire Racing" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 16:53:59 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > The TR6 and the TR250 doors are slanted at the b post. They do not interchange with the 4 or 4A > > Alec Buchan > Sent from the field on my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > > The only difference is the shape of the ?holes? in the outer skin for mounting the door handles AFAIK. > > Russ > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:39 AM > To: Chip Collingwood > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph TR6 Body Panels > > TR4 doors are the same, aren?t they? > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > Allen, > > I could most likely help you out with a used door in decent shape if that's what you're looking for. I f you want flared SCCA style bodywork then Sam Halkias is your guy. Otherwise yes most likely TRF. > > Chip > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:09 PM Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > Greetings, > > I?m looking for a driver's side (left) door replacement for my 1971 Triumph TR6. > > Also, if anyone has a lead on fiberglass fenders I would appreciate it. > > As always, thanks for any assistance. > > Allen > > > Allen Washatko > TR6 - #6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 18 10:19:28 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> Nice summary!? I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack.? Work of art.? Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it.? No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the > one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this > gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the > J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in > stock and there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these > to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this > setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the > best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the > 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the > layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end > float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the > case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really > hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a > new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double > bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they > seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, > the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the > stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality > consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to > know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent > oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can > stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or > more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks > switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where > I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems > like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses > and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at > Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock > Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, > 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. > And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. > Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive > that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if > there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But > you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 > is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is > do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist > and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is > the best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the > close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical > gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jun 18 10:54:23 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:54:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com>, <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 10:56:09 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This email is a keeper. Nice job!. I would add that for those of use that have the spare later TR6 trannies to work with, the Dolomite gear sets are a bargain priced solution. I built one for the Ex-Lemons/Chump Beanito's TR6 with a J-type overdrive that everyone loved at COTA. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:25 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one > source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. > Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type > overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and > there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to > pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for > around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total > gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft > needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the > layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are > some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. > One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one > from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've > had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better > than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets > pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock > and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of > replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're > getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying > attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more > than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to > Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm > at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the > most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In > the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 > transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there > is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which > is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds > which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more > $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't > researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an > option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A > drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell > housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a > competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the > best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close > ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 11:12:48 2019 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:12:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: That?s what I did to. I just pop riveted the ring to the fiberglass hood. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 11:02 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? 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URL: From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jun 18 14:11:50 2019 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:11:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is basically my setup too. Except... 1. The left ?headlight? is actually the original Spitfire hubcap, cut down to fit. 2. The right side is a screen over a duct to the carbs. Rocky Entriken From: David Cutter via Fot Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:02 AM To: Jonathan Wright Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racecar headlight question Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. Cheers, Dave On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about Jon Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony Drews" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs ] [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife ] Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 16:40:18 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:40:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racecar headlight question In-Reply-To: References: <258F4753-A9B9-4A43-A64F-E95B0EB1481A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54252057-1BFF-4955-819E-AD1675C0CCA3@gmail.com> The cold air port is prohibited with VARA unless period raced that way. Same with front spoilers even though they were permitted by the 1972 GCR. Pictures from 1972 allowed my spoiler in... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 1:11 PM, Rocky Entriken via Fot wrote: > > This is basically my setup too. Except... > > 1. The left ?headlight? is actually the original Spitfire hubcap, cut down to fit. > 2. The right side is a screen over a duct to the carbs. > > > > Rocky Entriken > > From: David Cutter via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:02 AM > To: Jonathan Wright > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racecar headlight question > > Jon, used part #28 to secure the disc to the fiberglass bonnet and trim clips to attach the chrome cover ring #21. Joe Alexander has the Lucas decals if you want that look. > Cheers, Dave > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:39 AM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: >> Hello triumph friends. Pardon my silly question but I?m trying to figure out the best way to mount headlight rings and the aluminum headlight covers on my newly acquired racecar with out cutting the fiberglass bonnet. I love the look of the spun aluminum headlight blanks from Pegasus auto, but would like to find a way to do it that is semi permanent if you will. As I understand the blanks essentially sit inside the headlight mounting ring, which bolts to the bucket, and the chrome trim ring snaps in place around it, I am thinking I?d like to find a solution that allows the headlight ring and retainer and spun aluminum cover to flush mount to my fiberglass bonnet with out cutting a hole for the entire headlight bucket to sit inside. Am I making sense? So far my ideas are get a spare set of headlight buckets and hack off the back of the bucket so it can flush mount with screw into the fiberglass or some good double sided 3m adhesive. My other thought was I could attempt to design and 3D print a flat plate with the necessary features for the headlight rings to attach to and mount that to bonnet. Am I over thinking this? Is there an easier way? Photos of what I?m talking about >> >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/david.c.cutter at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Wed Jun 19 05:13:30 2019 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:13:30 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. > Marcel. > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Tony Drews" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > > I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . > T > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. > > When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > > > > > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs > metatags generator > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > > > > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. > > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. > > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. > > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. > > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > > Amici > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > Cheers > Mike Deweerd #77 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. > > Do I have a second? > > These are his cars > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Wed Jun 19 06:40:54 2019 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:40:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, can you add Peter to the email list. Peter Popplewell ppopplewell at gmail.com Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 Fax: 888-865-5279 Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. From: Paul Ricco Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:39 AM To: Michael Moore Cc: fot ; Peter Popplewell Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Second On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Michael Moore via Fot > wrote: I would like to nominate Peter Popplewell for the FOT. I met him at Mosport this past weekend, he lives in Ottawa. He and his dad own two Triumphs and a XK150. He wants to get into vintage racing in a TR6. I mentioned the FOT as a great place to read the postings and see what he is getting into, and get some help on finding a good race car. Do I have a second? These are his cars Thanks, Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jun 19 09:44:00 2019 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Message-ID: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Friends, For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. But was curious what other sizes are being used. Thanks Todd From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 19 10:39:50 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: Hi Todd; It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 12:50:04 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:50:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net>, Message-ID: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:24:12 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:24:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every > where we go. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hi Todd; > > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel > rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 > inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> > >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a > useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 13:31:04 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:31:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> , Message-ID: <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar > wrote: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:45:01 2019 From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:45:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Message-ID: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:56:39 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:56:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: The GCR, circa 1972 permitted 1? wider than stock... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:24 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? > > >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> > >> > Hi Todd; >> > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. >> > Phil Gott >> > 114 TR4A >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> Friends, >> >> >> >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Wed Jun 19 13:56:32 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: > We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but > require some fitment for clearance. > > > > Jeff Snook > > 419-344-0319 > > www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Jun 19 14:04:45 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:04:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com>, Message-ID: SVRA only allows 6 ? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot > wrote: 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot > wrote: We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. Jeff Snook 419-344-0319 www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Jun 19 14:12:31 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:12:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: <2A959D76-ED69-47E2-A0BC-7E8CDEA8D067@aol.com> VSCCA even less! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:04 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > SVRA only allows 6 ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > >> 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot wrote: >>> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but require some fitment for clearance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeff Snook >>> >>> 419-344-0319 >>> >>> www.snooksdreamcars.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jun 19 14:20:28 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: <601349874.501781.1560975628238@connect.xfinity.com> I like the Speedsters for my TR3. 185/65. CSRG allows a 60 series and a 205/60 will fit on the TR3, but they are close. I had to relieve/grind the leaf springs for Yokohama 048s (radial) to fit and I rolled the fender lip too. I found that the tires rubbed the springs in turns with only 1/4 to 3/8" static clearance before grinding the springs. Keep in mind that different tires may and usually do, require camber adjustments. I didn't change mine for the Yokos which was probably needed for best results. The 185 Speedsters (semi-radial) rub the rolled fender slightly on one side. The fender should be pulled out a little there, the other side is fine. I use the Hoosier Vintage TDs (bias-ply) for the Rolex race, they are 5.50x15. Dave H. > On June 19, 2019 at 8:44 AM Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a > useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jun 19 14:23:46 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1532683834.501859.1560975827034@connect.xfinity.com> Oh, I have Panasport wheels both 5.5" and 6" sets. Dave H. > On June 19, 2019 at 8:44 AM Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running?? I have a > useable old set of? 185 65 SR15. > But was curious what other sizes are being used. > > > Thanks > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From bownes at web9.com Wed Jun 19 14:40:38 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <009901d526d7$7c97e090$75c7a1b0$@com> Message-ID: Even on stock rims? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:04 PM John H. Hasty wrote: > SVRA only allows 6 ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:57 PM, robert bownes via Fot > wrote: > > 205's fit fine on the front of my street TR6. 215's in the rear. :) > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jeff Snook via Fot > wrote: > >> We run the 185/65R-15 Hoosier Speedsters. Some guys run the 205s, but >> require some fitment for clearance. >> >> >> >> Jeff Snook >> >> 419-344-0319 >> >> www.snooksdreamcars.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 15:09:29 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> Message-ID: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: > From: Joe Alexander > Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT > To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com > Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > > > https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Wed Jun 19 15:28:31 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55D504B8-490E-46B4-9755-702BA454A198@att.net> Second! Hope to see Paul at the K-cup. Paul Ricco > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT: > > Please read the TR Register report. > > And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! > > Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Joe Alexander > >> Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT >> To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. >> >> >> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Joe Alexander > Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Wed Jun 19 15:53:37 2019 From: tobeirne at skillpro.com.au (=?utf-8?B?VGVycnkgT+KAmUJlaXJuZQ==?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:53:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. ________________________________ Van: "fot" > Aan: "Tony Drews" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jun 19 15:54:20 2019 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:54:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: I run those 185 Hoosiers, as any real man would, on my Stock 60 spoke wire wheels...???..Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Todd Redmond via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:44 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size Friends, For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. But was curious what other sizes are being used. Thanks Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 15:55:37 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:55:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> Message-ID: John Do you still have those 5 1/2" Panapsorts on that car from when I had it? It came with 6" wide steel "circle track" wheels and remember rolling a baseball bat under the rear fenders to get clearance on the drivers side when the 195-60-15 Yokohama 008r supply dried up. I went to the Panasports that were still available in 5 1/2 back then, I still have a very heavy set of steel wheels is someone desires them. Somehow they came back to me. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 1:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every > where we go. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > > > > Hi Todd; > > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel > rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 > inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> > >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a > useable old set of 185 65 SR15. > >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 19 16:08:45 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> , <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Or build 1 and buy the original which is being sold. From: John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:31 PM To: John Styduhar Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier size Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar wrote: Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Hi Todd; > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. > Phil Gott > 114 TR4A > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >> >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jun 19 16:13:54 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 00:13:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <168285512.230051012.1560982434911.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The conversion to ball bearings sdeems very interesting. What size of ball bearings can be used? Doesn't it weaken the part on wich the countergears are mounted too much? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Geoff Byrne" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 juni 2019 23:53:37 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "Tony Drews" < [ mailto:tony at tonydrews.com | tony at tonydrews.com ] > Cc: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: [ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs ] Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive%20 | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jun 19 16:16:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 22:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. In-Reply-To: References: <195DB5E8-5C2B-41C3-8C89-93604DF14FDE@cs.com> <50522A5E-E593-4230-ADF3-1629A91DF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14433921.43372.1560982596876@mail.yahoo.com> I should say.? That's a lot of 'spinning weight'. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Henry A. Morrison via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net ; Joe Alexander Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2019 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. #yiv9282208375 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Please let me be the one to second someone running appropriate WIRE WHEELS! Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: p-hogan at btconnect.com Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S.?FOT: Please read the TR Register report. And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. ?A SECOND please! Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. Thank you. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Joe Alexander Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: ?319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jun 19 18:31:42 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier size In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d3e08.24d44.16b7068bb71.Webtop.42@optonline.net> <6716675D-2B0B-499D-96E9-B18F3B30D732@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Regarding 7 inch wheels: in HRG (Historic Race Group - the old Volvo Historic Series) the max allowed wheel width is 8 inches. This group runs per the 1983 SCCA GCR, which allows flared fenders. Other groups have different rules, which is why the first question is ?what are the rules under which you run?? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > Or build 1 and buy the original which is being sold. > > From: John H. Hasty via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:31 PM > To: John Styduhar > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier size > > Oh well John... maybe we should build two Ambros with Payote 60 lb bodies, 8 ? rims, slicks & 92mm motors and have a go at it!! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:24 PM, John Styduhar wrote: >> >> Ha, I know of at least two TRs that run 7" rims and tell me that is legal. How can it be when the tires are sticking out well beyond the fenders? >> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:50 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >>> Gee, how do you get past tech with 7? rims? 5 1/2? is the rule every where we go. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Todd; >>> > It depends on what race series you are running and their tire and wheel rules. We are happy with the Hoosier Street TDR 24x7x15 or 23x7.5x15 on 7 inch rims on TR4s. Not sure they will clear the fenders on a 3 however. >>> > Phil Gott >>> > 114 TR4A >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Todd Redmond via Fot wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Friends, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> For the racing TR3's, what size Hoosier are you guys running? I have a useable old set of 185 65 SR15. >>> >> But was curious what other sizes are being used. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> Todd >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> fot at autox.team.net >>> >> >>> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >> >>> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 04:33:25 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 05:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. References: <8627087.4093.1561021558761.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <61D431F0-7BE3-4639-969B-9C4C169E5D38@gmail.com> John Davies nominates Paul Hogan. > From: JOHN DAVIES > Date: June 20, 2019 at 4:05:58 AM CDT > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > Reply-To: john.r.davies at btinternet.com > > I will second Paul. > He is a past-chairman of the TR Register, and the owner of the magnificent TR3S replica of the car that raced at Le Mans in - forgive me - 1958? I crewed for Paul when he entered that car at the 2016 Classic Le Mans, and the Silverstone Classic, and can attest that he is a thorough TR man and racer. > > John > ----Original message---- > From : fot at autox.team.net > Date : 19/06/2019 - 22:09 (GMTST) > To : fot at autox.team.net > Cc : p-hogan at btconnect.com > Subject : [Fot] Fwd: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. > > FOT: > > Please read the TR Register report. > > And please support me in adding Paul Hogan to the FOT List. A SECOND please! > > Paul is from the UK and is currently examining the shipment of his car to the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Joe Alexander >> Date: June 19, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM CDT >> To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> Subject: Success at Le Mans Classic 2016 for Millers Oils sponsored Triumph TR3S. >> >> >> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2016/07/0054/Success-at-Le-Mans-Classic-2016-for-Millers-Oils-sponsored-Triumph-TR3S >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 20 08:10:55 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:10:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List numbers Message-ID: The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360.? It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. For some of the new folks a little history.? This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net.? At one point, there were about 65 active lists going.? Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at http://autox.team.net/archive There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it.? Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough!? I am FINISHED with this [...]"? Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days.? But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem.? I will do what I can to keep it that way. mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 08:16:03 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 09:16:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36B077DA-AF6E-4AB7-AC28-56DDA07D8F6A@gmail.com> Mark, Thank you for your service. We presume you will attend the next Kastner Cup? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. > > For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. > > These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo > > And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. > > I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. I will do what I can to keep it that way. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jun 20 09:36:29 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 15:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457164776.346646.1561044989290@mail.yahoo.com> KUDOS! ? Kudos to you, Mark! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2019 7:11 am Subject: [Fot] List numbers The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360.? It seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. For some of the new folks a little history.? This list was set up in December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, british-cars at autox.team.net.? At one point, there were about 65 active lists going.? Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, blogs, club forums, whatever. These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 lists, which can be found at http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at http://autox.team.net/archive There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life doing it.? Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and say "Enough!? I am FINISHED with this [...]"? Like the time my ISP went belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight days.? But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem.? I will do what I can to keep it that way. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Thu Jun 20 09:45:46 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 11:45:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. Bob On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It > seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. > > For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in > December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which > was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, > british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active > lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now > everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, > blogs, club forums, whatever. > > These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 > lists, which can be found at > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo > > And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. > > I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of > love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life > doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and > say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went > belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight > days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. > I will do what I can to keep it that way. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 09:53:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:53:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! I had no idea. Thank you very much! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> The recent additions bring the number of folks on this list to 360. It >> seems it wasn't that long ago we were just a group of 44. >> >> For some of the new folks a little history. This list was set up in >> December of 1996, a spinoff off the triumphs at autox.team.net list, which >> was a spinoff from the granddaddy of the lists, >> british-cars at autox.team.net. At one point, there were about 65 active >> lists going. Back then Team.Net was about the only game in town, now >> everybody and their dog has some sort of online presence, web sites, >> blogs, club forums, whatever. >> >> These days the number of lists has been trimmed down to just under 40 >> lists, which can be found at >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo >> >> And a pretty good record of past activity can be seen at >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> There is a TON of good info there, but it can take some doing to find it. >> >> I've been hosting Team.Net for about 30 years, it is quite a labor of >> love, well worth it, or I would not have spent roughly half of my life >> doing it. Sure, many times I've been tempted to just pull the plug and >> say "Enough! I am FINISHED with this [...]" Like the time my ISP went >> belly up, so no DSL service, no Team.Net for something like 11 straight >> days. But we survived, and this FOT list in particular is quite a gem. >> I will do what I can to keep it that way. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.c.cutter at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 11:37:21 2019 From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky Message-ID: I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT. Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT. He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata. Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project. See attached picture. Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen. Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT. Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled *Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story.* *https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI * Do I have a second? [image: 1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 55816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 11:40:00 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> Cool car...second! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:37 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: > > I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT. Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT. He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata. Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project. See attached picture. > > Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen. Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT. Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story. > > https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI > > Do I have a second? > > <1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 20 18:03:56 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:03:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all > these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely > as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the > 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the > infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so > graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain > turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend > Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net > community by myself. As an early and memorable > domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The > answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS.? The usual suspects stepped up and really helped out, I am quite thankful for that. I thought that Team.Net was registered on April 11th, a day that I usually celebrate for another reason. And as for people appreciating the efforts I have put into this experiment, I was pleasantly surprised when I visited this web page. http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/ Aleady looking forward to the 2020 Kastner Cup. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 20 18:48:29 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 20:48:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> References: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Clicking through on the link to the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, there are quite a number of Triumph/FOT types seemingly up for vote. I can?t find any mention of when voting ends, or when the next ceremony is. The last one was June 2, 2018. Anyone know? On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. > > On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. > > Bob Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS. The usual suspects stepped up and really helped out, I am quite thankful for that. I thought that Team.Net was registered on April 11th, a day that I usually celebrate for another reason. And as for people appreciating the efforts I have put into this experiment, I was pleasantly surprised when I visited this web page. http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/ Aleady looking forward to the 2020 Kastner Cup. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 19:17:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 20:17:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] List numbers In-Reply-To: References: <99d13b47-490b-a7a8-9c61-84a9837b2ebb@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1CBA9CBE-3B50-45A3-A159-19AFD5BBFE5E@gmail.com> Scott, and all. I was involved with the Class on 2 June 18. No new class is scheduled at this time. The Hall of Fame is dormant. There is an effort afoot to continue it. There was a meeting on the east coast last week. The agenda was initially about Archives and a British Car Museum. Then we discussed integrating the Hall of Fame into the Planning. More on all of this when we know more. This affects us all. Regards, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, IA 50648 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 20, 2019, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Clicking through on the link to the British Sports Car Hall of Fame, there are quite a number of Triumph/FOT types seemingly up for vote. I can?t find any mention of when voting ends, or when the next ceremony is. The last one was June 2, 2018. > Anyone know? > > On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > >> On 6/20/19 9:45 AM, robert bownes wrote: >> >> I'd like to add my thanks to Mark for feeding my addiction for all these years, and encourage all of you to note that he does this purely as a labour of love, and ask each of you to think about clicking the 'donate' link at the bottom of this email to help fund the infrastructure (server, internet access, disks, etc) that Mark has so graciously provided for lo, these 30 years. >> >> On another historical note, the team.net domain turned 28 this past May 11th. Team.net was registered by our friend Bill Caloccia and is now held (informally) in trust for the team.net community by myself. As an early and memorable domain name, it has attracted many offers well into five figures. The answer remains, as always, it is not for sale. >> >> Bob > > > Actually there was a very nice response to the non-fund drive back in April and May that more than covered the cost of the new server and a bigger UPS. 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The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 16:25:14 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 17:25:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> <000201d52551$c2550c70$46ff2550$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Love it! Bob Kramer On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 5:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi FOT, > > A philosophic statement: > > With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments > about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does > it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. > > The answer is very simple. > > Kas showed me everything. > > I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right > answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and > how to deal with other drivers. > > I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated > ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did > serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. > > This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, > with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. > > So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say > that they know it better? > > Conclusion: > > Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not > listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am > Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen > > Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were > in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a > problem at Assen). > > After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race > 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. > He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and > shared in race 3 with me the last row. > > > > Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way > through the strong field of cars ahead. > > > > Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an > unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 > seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because > I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the > furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and > bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 16:50:52 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:50:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> <000201d52551$c2550c70$46ff2550$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, how about an example of advice from Kas to share with the group. Thanks On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi FOT, > > A philosophic statement: > > With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments > about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does > it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. > > The answer is very simple. > > Kas showed me everything. > > I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right > answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and > how to deal with other drivers. > > I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated > ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did > serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. > > This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, > with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. > > So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say > that they know it better? > > Conclusion: > > Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not > listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am > Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen > > Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were > in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a > problem at Assen). > > After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race > 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. > He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and > shared in race 3 with me the last row. > > > > Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way > through the strong field of cars ahead. > > > > Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an > unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 > seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because > I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the > furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and > bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 21 16:58:49 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 00:58:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <322130180.2662894.1560799053735@mail.yahoo.com> <000801d52543$c7ee08c0$57ca1a40$@gmail.com> <26565730.455035.1560801363748.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <002901d52548$9e4b0f90$dae12eb0$@gmail.com> <000201d52551$c2550c70$46ff2550$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401d52884$e451fc30$acf5f490$@gmail.com> Hi John, not easy to choose from 8000 mails I?ve got from Kas, so I take one of them from 2016: I was working on engine temperature on the TR8 and Kas had some input on this. ?Good point on the restrictor plate. Ease of mind. Thirty minutes is along LONG time to just sit and idle. I presume the fan is electric. On my racing TR-3 (fan on the crankshaft) I used a lot of big wrench to adjust the steel base of the blades flat. We were required to run the fan in those days, but no one ever spotted the fact that my blades were flat. About 4-5 hp I figured at 6000.? Cheers Chris Von: John Styduhar Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juni 2019 00:51 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Chris, how about an example of advice from Kas to share with the group. Thanks On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:04 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot > To: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Jun 22 02:55:25 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:55:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <010001d52747$4cc221d0$e6466570$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about the same time in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship. I had already 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 2011 I had an advance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall in 2010 and 2011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, me in the first place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 he did beat me for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favourite track. By then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he was working with Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I could beat Chris : I finished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerfull, but maybe there was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't beat him anymore. His determination, Kas helping him to the full and his experience with the TR8, with wich he is competing in much faster championships, has ironed him to a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot from the books of Kas and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engine and dyno work but since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping me in the chassis department. In there is small possibility, I will try to beat Chris once again : this is only possible if my car is better than his. But with 67 years old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only give someone specific advice if he knows your car of course, all general information about racing Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguements over the years, but we always kept talking to each other and over the years, although we are different characters, mutual respect has grown. I have to add that I have great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost him an awful lot of work and time and money and he got more than a fair share of heavy blows along the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champion! I will post a lead to a video of the same race at the Assen circuit, onboard of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drilled by accident in the microphone lead Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 00:03:53 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Jun 22 04:29:45 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:29:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Another video of the Assen race of June16th2019 In-Reply-To: <1852245884.13473209.1561198742872.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1852245884.13473209.1561198742872.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <608223615.13555238.1561199385920.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The spinning mauve Triumph is the TR5 of Bruno Dwinger who won the Tiumph Competition and British GT championship some 17 years ago. Bruno Dwinger is a well known german Triumph specialist in Europe. Now his nephew is starting to race with that same car. Trh green TR4 that hit the bollards is Philippe Vermast, bending a steering rod in the accident. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 12:19:02 Onderwerp: [Fot] Another video of the Assen race of June16th2019 https://youtu.be/ykXYTXdT7J0 This is another video of the same race at Assen, from 6'10" onwards. I'm in the red/blue striped TR4a (bought from Bob Kramer in 2014) Chris Marx and Philippe Vermast are starting the race from the last row. Marcel _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 07:59:31 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 08:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 Message-ID: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> FOT: We are looking for a sponsor or sponsors for the Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Even a partial sponsorship is welcome. Marty Sukey is looking at sizes & costs, right now. We will get our expenses paid, in full, one way or another. But this might be an opportunity for a commercial entity or entities to be front row center at what has been the biggest Triumph Event in North America. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jun 22 08:24:37 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> References: <42CAD2D8-44CB-4ED5-A983-A4D2D7EE0A97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1816731372.425787.1561213477093@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... I pledge a $100.00 'seed money' contribution. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2019 6:59 am Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent. Mid-Ohio 2020 FOT: We are looking for a sponsor or sponsors for the Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent.? Even a partial sponsorship is welcome. Marty Sukey is looking at sizes & costs, right now. We will get our expenses paid, in full, one way or another. But this might be an opportunity for a commercial entity or entities to be front row center at what has been the biggest Triumph Event in North America. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Thank you, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Jun 22 09:24:47 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission Message-ID: <38626.1561217087@mitchelplumbing.com> https://www.facebook.com/1 629062980688213/posts/2296 624013932103/ On Wed 19/06/19 2:53 PM , Terry O?Beirne via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent: > I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft > almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement > syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the > need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily > still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but > as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? > Terry > > Another down under racer > FROM: Fot ON BEHALF OF Geoff Byrne via Fot > SENT: 19 June 2019 21:14 > TO: van.mulders.marcel at telenet .be > CC: fot > SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the > synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to > a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a > third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle > bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with > ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining > but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for > me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still > perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. > > If anyone is interested in details email me > > Regards > > Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPad > On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have > been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these > sets are available now. > > Marcel. > ------------------------ - > VAN: "fot" > AAN: "Tony Drews" > CC: "fot" > VERZONDEN: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 > ONDERWERP: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission > I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should > you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved > part numbers . > > T > > Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset > uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger > input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the > stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi- stock bearings. > > When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really > like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear > ratios work well. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Hi, > Those are THE questions, aren't they? > Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no > synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the > one source that I know of in the UK can get them: > Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs [6] > DENNIS VESSEY - QUAIFE GEAR KITS FOR TRIUMPH TRS > metatags generator > > Vesseys Triumph TR Dog- Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife > Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in > contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this > gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. > > Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the > J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in > stock and there was no production scheduled. > Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This > consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the > corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these > to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this > setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the > best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the > 16-tooth 1st laygear. > Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust > forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the > layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end > float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the > case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end > float. > Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle > bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really > hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a > new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double > bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they > seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, > the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. > As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the > stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality > consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to > know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent > oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can > stay ahead of problems. > If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or > more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks > switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. > Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where > I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems > like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses > and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at > Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock > Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, > 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. > And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. > Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive > that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if > there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But > you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 > is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is > do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist > and more $$$. ;-) > Regards, > > Bob Lang > > 339-927-4489 > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > Amici > > What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is > the best source for getting such > > I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs > the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still > helical gears) > > Please chime in with preferences and opinions > > Cheers > > Mike Deweerd #77 > Sent from my iPhone > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [9] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [10] > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [11]http://www.team.net/pi permail/fot [12] > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/robertlang tr6 at yahoo.com [13] > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [15] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [16] > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [17] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [18] > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/tony at tonyd rews.com [19] > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [21] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [22] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [23] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [24] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/horizonrac ing at msn.com [25] > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [27] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [28] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [29] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [30] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/van.mulder s.marcel at telenet.be > [31] > > __________________________ _____________________ > http://www.fot- racing.com [33] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate .html [34] > Archive: http://autox.team.net/arch ive [35] > http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot [36] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/gkbyrne at op tushome.com.au > [37] > > > Links: > ------ > [6] > http://www.vessey- classic-car- services.co.uk/triumph- gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3t7 > n64[9] http://www.fot- racing.com > [10] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [11] http://autox.team.net/arch ive%20 > [12] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [13] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/robertlang tr6 at yahoo.com > [15] http://www.fot- racing.com > [16] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [17] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [18] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [19] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/tony at tonyd rews.com > [21] http://www.fot- racing.com > [22] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [23] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [24] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [25] http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/horizonrac ing at msn.com > [27] http://www.fot- racing.com > [28] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [29] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [30] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [31] > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/van.mulder s.marcel at telenet.be > [33] http://www.fot- racing.com > [34] http://www.team.net/donate .html > [35] http://autox.team.net/arch ive > [36] http://www.team.net/piperm ail/fot > [37] > http://autox.team.net/mail man/options/fot/gkbyrne at op tushome.com.au > > From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jun 22 11:40:51 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:40:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock In-Reply-To: <65E6F850-CAD4-4D28-B606-0118519077B8@me.com> References: <65E6F850-CAD4-4D28-B606-0118519077B8@me.com> Message-ID: <4DA936F4-F97D-4685-9E33-1440481C1B5F@me.com> I just watched this last night. For any of you who have not yet viewed, it is a must. Great videography, fascinating story, two legendary figures totally at ease with each other, and to hear Peter Brock talk about the design is truly insightful. The car running at the recent Kastner Cup sounds fantastic, which adds to the fun. It really is a design that would look contemporary even if produced for the first time today. Thanks to everyone involved - this is a fantastic addition to the history of the Triumph marque, and a great look at what the guys who designed and made them into race cars back in the day (in the U.S.) were thinking about. > From: John Linney via Fot > > Date: June 11, 2019 at 3:56:46 PM EDT > To: John Linney via Fot > > Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR250K with Kas Kastner and Peter Brock > Reply-To: John Linney > > > It?s my pleasure to announce (you heard it here first), that I?ve completed and published the story of the TR250K as told by Kas Kastner and Peter Brock at their recent meeting at the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. You may want to grab a beer and some popcorn as it is twenty-five minutes of in depth story telling by the two creators of this automotive masterpiece. It?s one of those cars I just can?t get enough of. > > Special thanks to Kas Kastner and Peter Brock who sat for a good hour in noise and heat to relate their story with much humor and humility. > > I?d also like to thank Joe Alexander for aligning the planets, Shawn Frank for asking the questions, Tony Garmey and the Hart Family for access to the car, and Suzanne Winters who helped with additional audio. Kudos also to Moss Motors who made it possible for Peter Brock to be there as well as supporting so many other aspects of the event and our hobby. > > Finally, I?d like to dedicate the video to this group. You have all welcomed me and supported my efforts with open arms. > > Here?s the video ? https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A > > To see it and share it with your friends on Facebook go here ? https://www.facebook.com/pg/ClassicMotorFilms > > -John > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 22 17:47:23 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race videos from Blackhawk Farms last weekend Message-ID: <4b0e21bf-6e69-32d0-c5de-ff0b4589fffc@tonydrews.com> For those who like these... Got the race videos from Blackhawk Farms Raceway last weekend put together. Here's the first one - Saturday morning "Sprint" race. All of the races except the final "Pursuit" race were well fought. Anyhoo, here's race 1: https://youtu.be/UgHc0YEDO38 Here's the Saturday afternoon "Heat" race: https://youtu.be/bLPs54hIVTY Here's the Sunday morning "Feature" race on a drying track: https://youtu.be/XgJw-W5gtRU And finally, here's the Dad's Day Scramble pursuit race from Sunday afternoon: https://youtu.be/sgv0ecD5fd4 Cheers, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Jun 23 01:29:54 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen In-Reply-To: <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <001e01d52531$3ea14800$bbe3d800$@gmail.com> <005a01d527c1$5491a460$fdb4ed20$@gmail.com> <000201d52848$3f7ed250$be7c76f0$@gmail.com> <001001d5287d$37eab790$a7c026b0$@gmail.com> <901867375.12763271.1561193725394.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1377235983.20912616.1561274994714.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Of course, there are and have been a lot of very capable people but Kas in the Triumph racing community. But if someone wants to learn about Triumph race cars, Kas is the most obvious source, because of his books and the fact that he is even today still busy and genuinely interested in racing Triumphs, and of course, what he says has been proven. So I would like to do justice, we have to appreciate the work of all the people who tried and succeeded in making Triumphs faster and now and then really very fast, Marcel Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "tr4racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 10:55:25 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about the same time in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship. I had already 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 2011 I had an advance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall in 2010 and 2011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, me in the first place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 he did beat me for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favourite track. By then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he was working with Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I could beat Chris : I finished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerfull, but maybe there was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't beat him anymore. His determination, Kas helping him to the full and his experience with the TR8, with wich he is competing in much faster championships, has ironed him to a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot from the books of Kas and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engine and dyno work but since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping me in the chassis department. In there is small possibility, I will try to beat Chris once again : this is only possible if my car is better than his. But with 67 years old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only give someone specific advice if he knows your car of course, all general information about racing Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguements over the years, but we always kept talking to each other and over the years, although we are different characters, mutual respect has grown. I have to add that I have great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost him an awful lot of work and time and money and he got more than a fair share of heavy blows along the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champion! I will post a lead to a video of the same race at the Assen circuit, onboard of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drilled by accident in the microphone lead Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 00:03:53 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN Hi FOT, A philosophic statement: With regards to this video from Assen race track, I?ve got many comments about, ?how is your car so fast?, ?why does it handle so well?, ?why does it brake so good?, ?where did you learn to drive so quick?. The answer is very simple. Kas showed me everything. I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drivers. I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday ? outdated ? for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are being in. This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many drivers which you can call the best of the best. So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say that they know it better? Conclusion: Everybody who knows ?better? has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having less fun. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen). After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last row. Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead. Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 seconds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent the steering. He did not reach the finish. 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URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 24 06:44:31 2019 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 22:44:31 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <608220374.2397603.1560867891639@mail.yahoo.com> <3f949c7a-12f8-7834-54ba-40f076a13c67@tonydrews.com> <414401122.219290146.1560888881642.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <05E8D1D5-D7D9-43B0-B786-37ED8C51F274@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006801d52a8a$93264570$b972d050$@optusnet.com.au> Terry I would love to have the details on how you set up the box with tapered bearing I was not able to come up with a satisfactory method of fixing and sealing Regards Geoff From: Terry O?Beirne [mailto:tobeirne at skillpro.com.au] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:54 AM To: Geoff Byrne; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 transmission I started converting our race boxes to taper rollers on the layshaft almost 30 years ago. Totally agree with Geoff that the replacement syncro rings are generally very poor, but as yet, have not found the need or $ to convert to a dog box, nice as that might be. I luckily still have a small stash of original Leyland ST close ratio gears but as they dry up, will be forced into ?plan B? Terry Another down under racer From: Fot On Behalf Of Geoff Byrne via Fot Sent: 19 June 2019 21:14 To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I?ve been racing my tr6 for over 15 years and gave up,on the synchro box due to the inability to get good quality rings. Swapped to a quaiffe dog box and ended up buying another one from Vessey and a third from bustuck . Having experienced several counter shaft needle bearing failures which can be very costly I have developed a box with ball bearings on a fixed lay shaft. Does involved a bit of machining but as I have my own machine shop and the time it not a problem for me. After four years of solid racing the ball bearing are still perfect. Not for everyone but bullet proof. If anyone is interested in details email me Regards Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPad On 19 Jun 2019, at 6:14 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are available now. Marcel. _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony Drews" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wear out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part numbers . T Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings. When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well. Cheers, Tony Drews On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, Those are THE questions, aren't they? Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that I know of in the UK can get them: Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs metatags generator Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets. Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no production scheduled. Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear. Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float. Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on it. As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems. If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc. Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-) Regards, Bob Lang 339-927-4489 On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the best source for getting such I?m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I?m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) Please chime in with preferences and opinions Cheers Mike Deweerd #77 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jun 24 20:48:18 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 20:48:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In car race videos Message-ID: <64e9a7fd-c1ee-148d-243c-337df8d3255b@bradakis.com> Love watching the recently posted racing videos.? Some good inspiration to help me stay motivated and get back on track myself.? Hopefully in a few years you'll see some posted by "Backmarker Bradakis" as I fumble along the track trying to remember how it is done. Like that rear facing inset in Tony Drews video, I'll have to delve into what recording hardware is available when the time comes. mjb. From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 05:22:22 2019 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 07:22:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: VSCCA White Mountain Vintage Grand Prix August 2 - 3... Expanded Entry Opportunities Message-ID: <024a01d52c11$6d4ff340$47efd9c0$@com> Unique opportunity for anyone with an eligible racecar. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos "Reality, it's not what you think." From: Clark W. Nicholls [mailto:cwnicholls at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:17 AM To: cwnfot at gmail.com Subject: Fwd: VSCCA White Mountain Vintage Grand Prix August 2 - 3... Expanded Entry Opportunities View this email in your browser Important announcement regarding the VSCCA White Mountain Vintage Grand Prix Friday- Saturday, August 2-3, 2019 at Club Motorsports, Tamworth NH * In order to make sure the club covers its costs regarding the WMVGP at Tamworth the board has decided to open up car eligibility and invite members and non-members alike with cars that meet the following criteria: * Cars manufactured up to 1970 * Front engine * Four (4) cylinders * Original body configuration (no spoilers, fender flares, wings). Short windshields or Brooklands-type windscreens acceptable. Bumpers are not required. * Treaded tires, no low profile or unusually wide. Hoosier TD and TDR acceptable under new VSCCA regulations. * Muffled ? there is a sound restriction of 92dB which is local ordinance * Have a current logbook issued by a VMC organization, or * Meet existing VSCCA car regulations Entering Drivers must meet the usual VMC guidelines ? current VMC license, current medical, not on probation with any club. The first 20 non-members who enter cars meeting those criteria will be accepted into the event, after that there will be a waiting list. We hope you will enter your VSCCA eligible car however you are welcome to enter a car you have that meets these guidelines and please encourage friends that have these types of cars to enter. If you have questions or know of someone who might be interested please contact Event Chair Mark O?Day at mdoday at comcast.net or 603-580-5827. Photos of the aforementioned cars would be appreciated. VSCCA members can enter online at vscc.org or members and non-members can send an entry and check for $450 to Mark O?Day at 61 Wild Pasture Road, Kensington, NH 03833. Copyright ? 2019 Vintage Sports Car Club of America, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website. Our mailing address is: Vintage Sports Car Club of America 42 Colonial Way Short Hills, NJ 07078-1813 Add us to your address book Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp Virus-free. www.avg.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodkent at cox.net Wed Jun 26 19:39:13 2019 From: rodkent at cox.net (CHARLES KENT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings Message-ID: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jun 26 20:37:53 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) from www.bpnorthwest.com.? I also have them ceramic coated by Calico coatings.? I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in 15+ years of hard racing. I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too.? Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. Regards, Tony Drews On 6/26/2019 8:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: > > Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was > wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best > choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would > certainly be appreciated. thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 20:52:49 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: They are King tri-metal bearings made in Israel. I used them in the Spitfire and will give Tony?s fancy coating next time around. Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) from www.bpnorthwest.com. I also have them ceramic coated by Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in 15+ years of hard racing. > > I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > > Regards, Tony Drews > >> On 6/26/2019 8:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: >> Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Jun 27 03:56:06 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) > from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by > Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in > 15+ years of hard racing. > > I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. > Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. From vfracing at aol.com Thu Jun 27 04:10:49 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings In-Reply-To: <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> <8ef9cca5-cc7d-f187-44e3-9e6cf33e4d26@tonydrews.com> <02bf97e54e2644a391f73c70c32df115@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: My machine shop recommended the King Tri metal bearings and Calico coating for my TR4A. Said they run them in 600 HP SB Chevys with good results. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:56 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. > >> On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) >> from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by >> Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in >> 15+ years of hard racing. >> I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. >> Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jun 27 06:24:56 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings - In-Reply-To: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> References: <1127433987.46448.1561599553937@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <70BBE9B8-4934-44D8-950B-D4A8C41339C9@me.com> My experience is with my GT6, but should be very similar to your TR6. I get my bearings from Richard Good at GoodParts.com . They are sold as King tri-metal bearings and come in King boxes, but they usually have ?County? stamped on them. There?s an old commentary on the web from Uncle Jack, who said he investigated that, and King told him County was their largest customer, so a lot of bearings are stamped County. Anyway, I?ve been running these for years. In my experience, they hold up pretty well. By that I mean after three race seasons (call it five-six race weekends a year) the rod bearings need to be replaced due to mild wear. The rods go a bit quicker than the mains. I?ve been running them with a Calico coating for the past few years, and they do hold up better, but eventually the coating wears through too. Richard will ship directly to Calico, and Calico?s turn-around is only a few days, so it doesn?t take much extra effort to go this route. The Calico coating seems to add about 1-2 10,000" to the bearing thickness. For comparison, I run 20-50 Penngrade partial synthetic (the former Brad Penn), and peak revs are about 7000; with the occasional 7300 or so. Scott Janzen 68 GT6 On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:39 PM, CHARLES KENT via Fot wrote: Hi, I have finally depleted my stash of vandervell bearings. I was wondering if there are suggestions from the group regarding the best choice of today's suppliers. Any input based on race engine use would certainly be appreciated. thanks! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd > On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: > > > Friends, > > > Curious question: > > I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. > > Size says 5.50-9.20-15 > > What size would this be in today's sizing? > > Thanks > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodkent at cox.net Thu Jun 27 15:01:49 2019 From: rodkent at cox.net (charles r kent) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr-6 rod bearings Message-ID: <8cnbfscxwtdd5op4qicv3g61.1561669309702@email.android.com> Thanks so much for your input, much appreciated! On June 27, 2019, at 3:10 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: My machine shop recommended the King Tri metal bearings and Calico coating for my TR4A. Said they run them in 600 HP SB Chevys with good results. Phil Gott 114 TR4A Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:56 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I run the same bearings in my TR250 vintage racer, they are the bearing to run. FWIW, I have never done the coating route, and in 20 seasons on track in a TR3, TR4 and the 250 have never had a bearing issue either. Set the correct clearance, and you will be fine. > >> On 2019-06-26 22:37, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> For the TR-4 (race engine) I do the Tri-Metal bearings (rod and main) >> from www.bpnorthwest.com [1]. I also have them ceramic coated by >> Calico coatings. I've not had issues due to the bearing / coating in >> 15+ years of hard racing. >> I know you're asking for the TR-6 - they have tri-metal for that too. >> Of course I have no direct experience on the 6 cylinder motor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rodkent at cox.net From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 15:29:47 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, that?s your first number. I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean by 9.20. Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be wrong). It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. Dustin Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. > > I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. > > FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 > > Todd > > > > > >> On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> >> >> Curious question: >> >> I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. >> >> Size says 5.50-9.20-15 >> >> What size would this be in today's sizing? >> >> Thanks >> >> Todd >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 27 15:36:59 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:36:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87F25D1E6C9B4C4ABC1FB676390A3C01@Charly> Try this Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 https://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: dustin nicholson via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, that?s your first number. I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean by 9.20. Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be wrong). It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. Dustin Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, Curious question: I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. Size says 5.50-9.20-15 What size would this be in today's sizing? Thanks Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 15:51:24 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:51:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> <19DE5A27-132A-467D-8E65-C48B3F20492D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here is a modern add for a vintage set of Sports Car Specials that describes some of the dimensions. https://vintagewheelsus.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=357 *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:29 PM dustin nicholson via Fot wrote: > To determine the size of the old tire in modern designation format measure > the tread width in millimeters, I?m guessing 5.5 inches times 25.4 = 140, > that?s your first number. > > I?m guessing 9.20 is the dimension in inches of the top side wall + The > bottom side wall. When added to the 15 inch wheel diameter it would give > you a tire diameter of 24.20 inches. This is just a guess of what they mean > by 9.20. > > Next, Measure the side wall height in millimeters, I?m guessing 9.20 > inches/2 x 25.4 = 117mm. Divide 117 sidewall height by the 140 tread width > gives you a height to width ratio of 1.20 which is your second number... > but they don?t show the decimal so it reads as 120. > > So the old 5.50-9.20-15 = a new 140-120-15 (if my guess of what 9.20 means > is correct, if not, just measure the sidewall as my 120 number would be > wrong). > > It appears that the old tire is 1.7 inches narrower than your new > 185-65-15 and there is only 1/10 of an inch difference in the tire height. > > Dustin > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > I should've been a little bit more clear than mud. > > I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the > 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. > > FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 > > Todd > > > > On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: > > Friends, > > > Curious question: > > I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. > > Size says 5.50-9.20-15 > > What size would this be in today's sizing? > > Thanks > > Todd > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mzbarsky at yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 21:00:50 2019 From: mzbarsky at yahoo.com (mzbarsky at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 03:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> References: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks all! I look forward to getting my Triumph on track and joining everyone (fingers crossed for next season). In the meantime I need to build a motor. I have assembled some of what I need but much more to go. Would appreciate any leads on TR6 race goodies for sale or any sage advice on building a mild race motor. Looking for something fast, inexpensive and reliable...OK the latter two anyways. Mike Z On Thursday, June 20, 2019, 10:40:02 a.m. PDT, Brad Eells wrote: Cool car...second! Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:37 AM, David Cutter via Fot wrote: I would like to nominate Mike Zbarsky to FOT.? Mike has been attending vintage races and pit crewing for his dad for about 30 years. He has been racing for 17 years, mostly in an MGA, but more recently in a 1967 MGB GT.? He also races an '88 Camaro and '91 Miata.? Mike recently sold his Miata and replaced it with a 1967 Triumph 2000 race car project.? See attached picture. Mike and his father are very active racers in both the Vintage Racing Club of British Columbia as well as SOVREN and have travelled to Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glen.? Mike's dad, Ralph Zbarsky, also races an MGA Twin Cam as well as an MGB GT.? Of note, Ralph co-authored an autobiography of Rolla Vollstedt titled?Track Roadsters to Indy Cars, the Rolla Vollstedt Story. https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/vollstedt-track-roadsters-indy-cars-rolla-vollstedt-story-rolla-vollstedt-ralph-zbarsky#.XQvB-NMrLBI Do I have a second? <1965-Triumph-2000-Sedan-Vintage-Race-Car-Front-1-620x405-1.jpg> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 28 07:27:18 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 07:27:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination for Mike Zbarsky In-Reply-To: <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20DDE5E4-5F91-4A7F-AD7C-D5FC1D18D48D@gmail.com> <1615672986.75943.1561690850522@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74406741-6d28-82b5-a916-5530b3cca89a@bradakis.com> On 6/27/19 9:00 PM, mzbarsky--- via Fot wrote: > Thanks all! I look forward to getting my Triumph on track and joining > everyone (fingers crossed for next season). > > ?Looking for something fast, inexpensive and reliable...OK the latter > two anyways. Fast, inexpensive, reliable.? Pick any 2. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 28 07:30:55 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights References: <1597663752.229585.1561728655713.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1597663752.229585.1561728655713@mail.yahoo.com> Word on the street says that publication was just sold to a conglomerate, marking the end of an era. Syd?Silverman started it many, many years ago. Randy Riggs is supposed to stay involved (at least for a while).Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, June 28, 2019,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Nice!? When I got home from Buttonwillow, I signed up for a year's subscription to Vintage Motorsport.? It arrived today, along with the Kastner Cup issue of the VTR magazine.? Such a deal!? Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Jun 28 07:37:02 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:37:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights Message-ID: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 28 09:16:54 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mailbox Delights In-Reply-To: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <963019461.1827.1561729022370@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1421178251.281522.1561735014919@mail.yahoo.com> Mike... When I think of Syd Silverman, I remember a quiet, Guardian Angel of early vintage racing (late 1970s/early 1980s).? I am personally aware of several times when an event or affair was experiencing a revenue shortfall, Syd would step forward with his pen and check book and pick up the pieces.? And he did so quietly.? He was one of the most unpretentious people I ever met.? The other things I remember were the incredible cars he brought to events to race.? Stuff you normally only saw in pictures or behind velvet ropes in a museum.? He raced them.? Mike Silverman told me that when his Dad finally sold his collection, every penny went to charity. Great guy! Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson To: Bill Dentinger ; fot Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2019 6:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mailbox Delights #yiv9142355766 #yiv9142355766 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv9142355766 Not just word on? the street.? I received an e-mail announcing it just the other day.? Think it went to every subscriber with a registered e-mail address. I'll miss my twice yearly conversations with Mike Silverman, Syd's son, who was the publisher until this deal. Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Jun 28, 2019 9:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mailbox Delights Word on the street says that publication was just sold to a conglomerate, marking the end of an era. Syd?Silverman started it many, many years ago. Randy Riggs is supposed to stay involved (at least for a while).Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, June 28, 2019,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Nice!? When I got home from Buttonwillow, I signed up for a year's subscription to Vintage Motorsport.? It arrived today, along with the Kastner Cup issue of the VTR magazine.? Such a deal!? Now I'll have something to read at work next shift. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 18:40:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 00:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Curious Tire size conversion In-Reply-To: <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> References: <1952308449.234859.1561648095141@mymail.optimum.net> <810201825.215230.1561659587202@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <578556204.526109.1561768803685@mail.yahoo.com> Todd,Back in the day I could never get the 9.15's under the rear fenders. I ran 5.00x8.30x15 on my car. I ran the "W" part number which was not cataloged and you had to order them specifically (they were about 1/2" wider - hence the W suffix). Do not know if the 9.15's were available as a W tire so you may need to compare yours to others to determine any actual sizing.Anyway, I just compared a 5.00x8.30x15W to Yokohamas and Hoosiers. The Goodyear was almost as large as a Yoko A008 or Yoko Ao48's. Probably just a bit shorter than either of the 205x60x15 Yokos. The Hoosier Speedsters are a smidge smaller and are about a perfect match for my 5.00x8.30x15W tires.?Your Goodyear's are a bit bit larger than mine so the Yokohama Advan AO52's 205x60x15's would be about a perfect match. Other tires may be slightly different but the comparable size would be 205x60x15. If you want to go to a 50 series tire, will have to check actual measurements...can't help you with those. I'm tired...Nick of Nor Cal On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 2:19:51 PM EDT, Redmond via Fot wrote: I should've been a little bit more clear than mud.? I'm just curious as to what the size tire he was running back in the 1960's. Can anyone translate the 5.50-9.20-15 into today's sizing. FYI - I'm going with the 185-65-15 Todd On June 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, Curious question: I have 1 Goodyear Blue Streak tire from when my dad raced my TR3. 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jun 29 06:22:17 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:22:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car for sale Message-ID: Those of us in the east know Bill Thumel and his very successful Virginia Beach based race prep shop, Abacus. Apparently Bill is selling the real estate that houses some of his collection of race cars, and he is selling his personal TR4 racer. It's being sold as a roller, no engine or gearbox. It's been several years since it was on-track. I have no doubt that the car was prepped to a very high level, as all of Bill's cars are. The asking price is a very reasonable $5000, from the pictures that is a lot of car for the money. I found out about the car from Hank Giffin, a good friend of Bills, who just bought a TR3 racer from the collection. Hank has offered to be a go-between with Bill, and would be happy to deal with Bill and help make a sale happen. I would recommend anybody interested in taking Hank up on this offer! I have a few more photos, this is the best one showing the whole car, but was taken before Bill's drivetrain was pulled. Email me directly and I will forward the rest. Henry Frye -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20190523_162615CROP.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1865389 bytes Desc: not available URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jun 29 07:36:24 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. Can I hear a second? Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net Submitted by Henry Frye From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 07:54:22 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d176d90.1c69fb81.6d159.76da@mx.google.com> Second it is for a first rate guy. If nothing else he now has a TR3 race car. Dean T. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:36 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: hankgiffin at cox.net Subject: [Fot] Nomination It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. Can I hear a second? Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net Submitted by Henry Frye _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 08:00:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1CB5A9-BCA6-47D6-B57E-7C03817218E6@gmail.com> Of course! Welcome aboard. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jun 29, 2019, at 8:36 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus TR4. > > Can I hear a second? > > Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net > > Submitted by Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Jun 29 08:55:29 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:55:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <2135922928.1988.1561820129997@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm happy to second the nomination of Hank Giffin. Hank is an amazing guy! I couldnt ask for a better racing friend or a better BOD member for VDCA. His breadth of knowledge on a huge number of topics is astonishing. I am confident he will be a major asset to the FOT. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jun 29, 2019 9:36 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: hankgiffin at cox.net >Subject: [Fot] Nomination > >It gives me great pleasure to nominate Hank Giffin to our group. Hank >has been deeply involved in Triumphs since the '60's, he and his wife >daily drove a TR3 for something like 8 years. He has been racing for >years, has owned and raced a wide variety of vintage cars, and currently >races, amongst other things, a Triumph powered Morgan. He serves as a >board member with Mike Jackson on VDCA, and is the only person I know >who has the right to respond to "Admiral". Plus, he has graciously >offered to help with some lucky person who wants to own an ex-Abacus >TR4. > >Can I hear a second? > >Hank Giffin hankgiffin at cox.net > >Submitted by Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jun 29 15:00:47 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes Message-ID: Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jun 29 16:50:02 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 17:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3qt accusump print sizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DD6F733-1653-47F1-9FE6-C6E25C992FC2@icloud.com> Autocorrect got me. Looking to replace the Orings on the accusump piston and end caps. I can?t find the sizes listed anywhere. I found about 1/4 qt behind the piston (air side) when cleaning it today. Thanks. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Anyone know the sizes required for the 3qt accusump? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 30 08:43:46 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:43:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed Message-ID: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the....? I'm clueless...next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails...................HELP!! Russ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 11:12:25 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed In-Reply-To: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> References: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1579755925.626249.1561914745761@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Russ,? I am guessing you are having a bandwidth issue when trying to view from the memory card or camera. ?It?s probably the speed of the USB port you are using limiting the video playback quality. ? Try downloading onto a hard drive and I bet the files are fine; just too high quality for how you are trying to view. I hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:43 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? ? I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! ? Russ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 12:31:10 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed In-Reply-To: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> References: <000001d52f52$3a5fd380$af1f7a80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <6F44EAE2-792A-4DA7-8428-6E54C366E87F@ponostyle.com> You don?t need a guru, you need a fast enough pipe between your media and your computer. Your USB port is probably too slow. Even an older hard drive might be too slow. You can either record in a lower resolution or probably just copy the file to a hard drive to view it. If that doesn?t work you might need to update your laptop to something fast enough, preferably something with anSSD (solid state drive). People record stuff in 4k and don?t realize what that means for bandwidth requirements. > On Jun 30, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Spitfire Racing via Fot > wrote: > > I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. > Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? > > I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range! > My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Jun 30 10:39:39 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed References: <1711193253.944113.1561912779740.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1711193253.944113.1561912779740@mail.yahoo.com> For God's sake, Russ.? You're in over your head.? You can't handle anything so technical. ? Unhook all that stuff.? Put it back in their boxes.? Put it up on the top shelf. Or maybe keep it in the bedroom. Polish the race car instead. Rotate the tires (put the best ones on the front). Bill Dentinger PS Do you still have the Kodak Brownie?? I hear they're quite collectable. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Jun 30, 2019 7:44 am Subject: [Fot] GoPro Guru needed <!-- #yiv5478874032 _filtered #yiv5478874032 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5478874032 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv5478874032 #yiv5478874032 p.yiv5478874032MsoNormal, #yiv5478874032 li.yiv5478874032MsoNormal, #yiv5478874032 div.yiv5478874032MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv5478874032 a:link, #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478874032 a:visited, #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478874032 span.yiv5478874032EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:windowtext;} #yiv5478874032 .yiv5478874032MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv5478874032 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv5478874032 div.yiv5478874032WordSection1 {} -->I run a front and rear GoPro Hero Silver 3+ camera on the Spitfire and both recorded seemingly properly; I downloaded files to a laptop that were totally viewable and now the files are unviewable from the memory card or through the camera. The files on the laptop are fine. Video is scrambled but has perfect image every 3 seconds or so. What the???.? ?I?m clueless??.next step is to use them as wheel chocks or a target at the range!My first camera was a Kodak Brownie and I remember when phones had tails?????????????????..HELP!! ?Russ_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Jun 30 22:47:36 2019 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:47:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Welcome to the "Fot" mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801d52fc8$1bd9f050$538dd0f0$@cox.net> FOTs - thank you for including me in your team mailing. Two of you have expressed interest in the Abacus TR4. It is a quality car and I expect the first responder will take it, but I will keep you informed if that is not the case. I drove a TR3 as a daily driver for 8 years from abt 1967, and had to marry my wife of 51 years because of that car. I would let your imagination run wild with that one, but it wasn't a shotgun wedding! The rest of the story over a beer! The Abacus TR3 I took is in similar condition to the TR4 - very nice. I plan to put it back on the road as an occasional driver and relive some of those knuckle dragging days from the 60s. I need some parts - engine, windscreen, fuel tank, seats, and probably a lot more. But as you all know, TRs are special! Thanks again. 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