From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:58:52 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:58:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Message-ID: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 18:35:17 2020 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 18:35:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005001d60886$9574d4b0$c05e7e10$@comcast.net> Brad, I can?t advise on the main stud info for the 1300 but as far as your clutch goes, If it aint broke don?t fix it. I?ve run the stock clutches on an aluminum Fidanza flywheel since I?ve started and never had a problem. I made my own quartermaster throwout bearing conversion though to avoid the fork problems TR4?s sometimes have. Plus it improved the action of the clutch. From: Fot On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 5:59 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Apr 1 19:36:07 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:36:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Apr 1 20:51:50 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 02:51:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals Message-ID: Hope everyone is well during this extraordinary time. That said, my machinist is telling me he is concerned with the pits in my block down where the figure 8 seals live. He says we might have machine down there and deck the block. Isn't there a glue, JB weld or vaccine that will take care of this? What say you? PS: my competition prep manuals are all in a Pod as I am moving to Salt Lake soon. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 1 23:47:23 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 07:47:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01d608b2$2f29fc90$8d7df5b0$@gmail.com> Hi, the simplest method is: * 1 layer of silicone on the blocks surface * Putting the figure 8 gasket on * 1 layer of silicone on the liners seat * Slipping the liner in the block * Pushing them down with the head * Let it rest a few hours No water will ever hit the figure 8 gasket again. Use plenty of silicone at this point. It will be squeezed out. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Henry A. Morrison via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 04:52 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals Hope everyone is well during this extraordinary time. That said, my machinist is telling me he is concerned with the pits in my block down where the figure 8 seals live. He says we might have machine down there and deck the block. Isn't there a glue, JB weld or vaccine that will take care of this? What say you? PS: my competition prep manuals are all in a Pod as I am moving to Salt Lake soon. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 05:44:04 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 07:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. > Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. > My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: > > 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. > Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. > My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: > > 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1350571 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 2 06:29:57 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:29:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01d608ea$6c13ba50$443b2ef0$@gmail.com> The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 06:38:25 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv3107912497 #yiv3107912497 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv3107912497 #yiv3107912497 p.yiv3107912497MsoNormal, #yiv3107912497 li.yiv3107912497MsoNormal, #yiv3107912497 div.yiv3107912497MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv3107912497 a:link, #yiv3107912497 span.yiv3107912497MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3107912497 span.yiv3107912497E-MailFormatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv3107912497 .yiv3107912497MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {} #yiv3107912497 div.yiv3107912497WordSection1 {} #yiv3107912497 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. ?CheersChris ? ?Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott ? ?Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. ?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hello Amici, ?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: ?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. ?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.? ?I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. ?I hope you are all safe and well... ?Cheers, ? ?Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 07:10:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 13:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv6942379707 #yiv6942379707 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv6942379707 #yiv6942379707 p.yiv6942379707MsoNormal, #yiv6942379707 li.yiv6942379707MsoNormal, #yiv6942379707 div.yiv6942379707MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv6942379707 a:link, #yiv6942379707 span.yiv6942379707MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv6942379707 span.yiv6942379707E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv6942379707 .yiv6942379707MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv6942379707 div.yiv6942379707WordSection1 {} #yiv6942379707 Phil, ?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. ?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. ?CheersChris ? ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. ?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. ?Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone ? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home - I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Phil, pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use. I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive? But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv5344674333 #yiv5344674333 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv5344674333 #yiv5344674333 p.yiv5344674333MsoNormal, #yiv5344674333 li.yiv5344674333MsoNormal, #yiv5344674333 div.yiv5344674333MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv5344674333 a:link, #yiv5344674333 span.yiv5344674333MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5344674333 span.yiv5344674333E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv5344674333 .yiv5344674333MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv5344674333 div.yiv5344674333WordSection1 {} #yiv5344674333 I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change.The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50? ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300Phil,?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car.?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids.?CheersChris??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not.?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder.?Phil-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36053 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 2 07:41:24 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:41:24 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> <002301d608f1$6dea4ae0$49bee0a0$@gmail.com> <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> This one: https://www.ebay.de/itm/LPR-Zentralausrucker-Kupplung-3603-12-x-1-Aluminium-fur-SAAB-9000-2-0-16-Turbo/383352319940?epid=1461269385 &hash=item5941942fc4:g:Vh8AAOSwiX1eDtiZ Saab 9000 Turbo Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:29 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 50 Euro! Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change. The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50? Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home - I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Phil, pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use. I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive? But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 08:13:02 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> <002301d608f1$6dea4ae0$49bee0a0$@gmail.com> <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <546145983.599135.1585836782439@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:41 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv9809035299 #yiv9809035299 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv9809035299 #yiv9809035299 p.yiv9809035299MsoNormal, #yiv9809035299 li.yiv9809035299MsoNormal, #yiv9809035299 div.yiv9809035299MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv9809035299 a:link, #yiv9809035299 span.yiv9809035299MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv9809035299 span.yiv9809035299E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv9809035299 .yiv9809035299MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv9809035299 div.yiv9809035299WordSection1 {} #yiv9809035299 This one:https://www.ebay.de/itm/LPR-Zentralausrucker-Kupplung-3603-12-x-1-Aluminium-fur-SAAB-9000-2-0-16-Turbo/383352319940?epid=1461269385&hash=item5941942fc4:g:Vh8AAOSwiX1eDtiZ ?Saab 9000 Turbo ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:29 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?50 Euro! ?Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change.The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year.-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300Phil,?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car.?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids.?CheersChris??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not.?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder.?Phil-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the > Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have > an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily > available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory > flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck > clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that > has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I > would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your > valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly > as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > * > * > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 103 E. Main St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Apr 2 12:27:22 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:27:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > It's like they can read my mind or something. > > Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! > Umm, you just did.... :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 2 12:34:20 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:34:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me often when I Google something I?m looking for. JVV From: Michael Porter via Fot Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:27 PM To: Robert Lang ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: It's like they can read my mind or something. Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! Umm, you just did.... :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 2 13:23:56 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: > On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a > way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me > often when I Google something I'm looking for. One way is to not use Google. There are numerous other search engines that do not track you. One such is DuckDuckGo https://duckduckgo.com/ I use a Firefox plug-in called Ad Block Plus that pretty well ensures I don't see any web ads, targeted or not. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 2 13:33:54 2020 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 19:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: <221210616.1253365.1585856034504@mail.yahoo.com> I'm not a full-fledged IT sort but I believe using your Browser's Private mode will help since it prevents cookies from being stored. Also if you are signed in to Google (which they highly encourage), sign out. But I suspect Google still knows your IP address and can track your queries that way. If you have a Google account, you can view the history they've recorded (have a stiff drink ready when you do this), delete and stop the tracking. My Account -> Data & Personalization -> Activity Controls -> Web & App Activity -> Pause. But that's only for Google, not all the other data-Hoovers. AFAIK a VPN service is the definitive way to block tracking. Your VPN provider hides your IP address so you can't be tracked. There are many free and paid ones. A friend who works in IT for a bank has VPN endpoints in many countries so he can watched blocked F1 races. Hope that helps, people who are more knowledgeable feel free to chime in. Gary Schneider On Thursday, April 2, 2020, 1:34:30 PM CDT, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me often when I Google something I?m looking for.JVV?From: Michael Porter via Fot Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:27 PMTo: Robert Lang ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings?On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? It's like they can read my mind or something. ? Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! ? ? Umm, you just did.... :) ? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Apr 2 15:08:09 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:08:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <256C1A40-5515-47A3-B5B2-8405082AF2D4@dcphotos.com> References: <256C1A40-5515-47A3-B5B2-8405082AF2D4@dcphotos.com> Message-ID: Brad, Summitt has a wide variety of ARP studs. So does Jegs. If you measure out what you need they could be potential sources for them. Paul Ricco > On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:56 AM, don--- via Fot wrote: > > Brad, > Give Ted Schumacher a call. > Pretty sure he even lists the ARP kit on his site http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > He helped me with my ARP choices. > I?m sure he can help with the clutch issue as well. > Don > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sat Apr 4 13:02:51 2020 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage Message-ID: Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based Car Show? https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM ~Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sat Apr 4 13:10:35 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015E23AC-E811-4737-BA64-E9FDEBF775A2@linneyweb.com> Really good Steve. Can?t wait for episode 2. > On Apr 4, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based Car Show? > > https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:03:53 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 16:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yeah, take it out with or without trans, ones as bad as the other I think On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based > Car Show? > > https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Apr 7 10:50:31 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 16:50:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Discs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: DPPI - Mark Craig Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:48 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; mark at dieselperformanceparts.com Subject: Tilton Clutch Discs Morning FOT Membership, I have recently changed all my Spits to a Quaife 4 speed synchromesh transmissions. In doing so I had to change to a 23 spline input shaft clutch disc. So I have one brand new Tilton, 7/8" x 10 spline, 7.25" solid no springs clutch disc I will need to sell off to someone that can use them. Brand new, fit any 7.25" clutch cover, part # 64185-2-F-03. I think they typically sell for 100.00 each plus shipping. How about I pay the shipping and someone here pays me 85.00 for it?? Saves you about 25.00-30.00 or so. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SVRA rearranged some of the events earlier in the schedule but the hope is that things settle down somewhat by the end of June and the Mid-Ohio event will go on as scheduled. I inquired about the possibility of moving the event to 2021 due to the Covid-19 situation and that is just not a possibility as they have already made commitments to other groups for next year for the Mid-Ohio date. SVRA is in the process of making changes for the event to make it more social distant. Registration at the track will be different and there will be no Saturday night party. This will be more of a racing weekend and not so much of a social weekend. They are making changes to adapt as we speak, and I will update you as I can. We will have to adapt as a group also as far as the awards ceremony and hospitality area. So, we have a free race on the schedule so you cannot beat the price. Stay safe, stay well and get those race cars ready. 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URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Apr 9 14:56:09 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I'd like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan ________________________________ Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs - Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven't seen that before on GT6's or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn't work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else's is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn't mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can't really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. 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Name: 1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 6671859 bytes Desc: 1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Apr 10 06:28:54 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 08:28:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> References: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: wow- almost in the ?too nice to drive? category. Looks like a BAT candidate. On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I?d like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs ? Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven?t seen that before on GT6?s or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn?t work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else?s is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn?t mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can?t really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com <1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf>_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Apr 10 06:30:30 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: Yeah, but figured I?d pass it along to a Triumph faithful vs a maybe not one here first!! [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:29 AM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow- almost in the ?too nice to drive? category. Looks like a BAT candidate. On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I?d like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan ________________________________ Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs ? Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven?t seen that before on GT6?s or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn?t work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else?s is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn?t mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can?t really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com <1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf>_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2153 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday. Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house. So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads. I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.? Sigh. But for now, enjoy and stay healthy. mjb. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 08:06:29 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:06:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: <5bc9431c-6f6d-a881-6103-fc7dde262eda@bradakis.com> References: <5bc9431c-6f6d-a881-6103-fc7dde262eda@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially > registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been > managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for > a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from > Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.?? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. > > I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I > have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I > certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net > will die. Sigh. Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting?? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. TeriAnn From billdentin at aol.com Sat Apr 11 08:16:18 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shocker References: <1488428525.4135535.1586614578948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1488428525.4135535.1586614578948@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... My wife gave up sex for Lent, and I didn't find out until this morning. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Sat Apr 11 08:44:00 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143140645.4094148.1586616240944@mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday, Mark!? And thank,you for all of the time you put in and your hard work.Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 10:00 am Subject: [Fot] Birthday April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday. Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house. So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads. I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.? Sigh. But for now, enjoy and stay healthy. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Apr 11 10:19:08 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:19:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday Message-ID: ? A bit more history on team.net. Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. Bob >> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >> >> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. > > Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. > > At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. > >> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. > > Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. > > TeriAnn > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 11 12:14:27 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt Message-ID: <59954DFDD20F475BB5A331BB0A2EC5EF@VlackTK121647> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ?I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode.JVV_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ?I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. 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I had to take it all to a machine shop where they had a BIG hydraulic press to press the bearing off, and then press a new one back on. --Rocky Entriken From: Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:07 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 60833538733__170635DE-43AC-436F-9B31-D1CB800D472A.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vandecarr at aol.com Sat Apr 11 16:33:59 2020 From: vandecarr at aol.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt In-Reply-To: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27B47D97-14F5-47D8-B6CE-58A1025A0A1C@aol.com> Is this the one where they were installing the engine/trans and the shifter was still attached. Often I find myself complaining to my wife when they do stupid things. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was privileged to have both The Wiz and Bill Dentinger (co-owner of the Thunderbolt) as racing friends before they both retired from the sport. Spent many Sebring 12 hr support races with Wiz and Bob Youngdahl. Got to drive the Thunderbolt once, quite the experience. Even gave him some parts ( like a stock head) when he converted to a street car and gave it to his daughter and son-in-law. There is no doubt what so ever that if he had still been around or if they had ask Bill, they would have been directed to some TRiumph experts. But, that wouldnt have gotten the on the telly. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 4:33 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" , "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > Yeah my 1st thought too was too much end float on the mainshaft gears & probably laygear as well. > Needs an upgrade to later steel bushes, tophat, gears, 17 tooth laygear etc... > It's a very cool car though! > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Jerry Van Vlack > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 3:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > You?re right, they need a Triumph expert, and a top hat bushing. It now holds into second better?! > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vandecarr at aol.com Sat Apr 11 16:33:59 2020 From: vandecarr at aol.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt In-Reply-To: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27B47D97-14F5-47D8-B6CE-58A1025A0A1C@aol.com> Is this the one where they were installing the engine/trans and the shifter was still attached. Often I find myself complaining to my wife when they do stupid things. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was privileged to have both The Wiz and Bill Dentinger (co-owner of the Thunderbolt) as racing friends before they both retired from the sport. Spent many Sebring 12 hr support races with Wiz and Bob Youngdahl. Got to drive the Thunderbolt once, quite the experience. Even gave him some parts ( like a stock head) when he converted to a street car and gave it to his daughter and son-in-law. There is no doubt what so ever that if he had still been around or if they had ask Bill, they would have been directed to some TRiumph experts. But, that wouldnt have gotten the on the telly. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 4:33 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" , "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > Yeah my 1st thought too was too much end float on the mainshaft gears & probably laygear as well. > Needs an upgrade to later steel bushes, tophat, gears, 17 tooth laygear etc... > It's a very cool car though! > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Jerry Van Vlack > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 3:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > You?re right, they need a Triumph expert, and a top hat bushing. It now holds into second better?! > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 60833538733__170635DE-43AC-436F-9B31-D1CB800D472A.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Apr 11 17:54:54 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:54:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 Message-ID: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Sat Apr 11 17:55:19 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Amici >> How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from >> the shaft >> >> -- >> *Mike Deweerd* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Bill On 4/11/2020 7:55 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing > doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can > get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position > on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for > reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually > takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around > the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > > wrote: > > Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would > NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. > Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through > his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him > a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot > > wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving > flange from the shaft > > -- > /Mike Deweerd/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch.? And it was a true drag race launch.? But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly.? Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts.? Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. ? VSCDA tried them a couple of times. ?Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, April 11, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 00:54:52 2020 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:54:52 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 In-Reply-To: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9E846796-0B4E-4D82-A7E5-427A50C64BCA@btinternet.com> We do standing starts in the UK and Europe and I have done them since i first started racing in 1980. I have been involved in 2 accidents, at Brands Hath and Spa where a stalled car caused a massive crash, unfortunately I was involved both times and had very large repair bills. As you know I have also raced in the US and Canada and I have to say that rolling starts are way safer and i would love them to come to the UK and Europe. Keith > On 12 Apr 2020, at 02:54, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Agree with Brother Bill! I was on the front row for the first one VSCDA did. I begged them to not do it. To change there mind. They would not budge. I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. > > Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch. And it was a true drag race launch. But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly. Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. > > There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts. Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 > > And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. > > VSCDA tried them a couple of times. Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive? http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Btw... that famous photo the 33 tr was driven by Mr. Bob Oker 1957. Good yr for triumph team > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Agree with Brother Bill! I was on the front row for the first one VSCDA did. I begged them to not do it. To change there mind. They would not budge. I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. > > Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch. And it was a true drag race launch. But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly. Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. > > There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts. Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 > > And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. > > VSCDA tried them a couple of times. Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 07:18:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87A21DAA-A474-4043-A40E-E296BCAA5204@aol.com> Thank you all so much for starting, evolving and maintaining this forum. It is one of the most helpful and friendly groups, whether on-line or in person. It?s about great, fun cars and a greater group of people! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > A bit more history on team.net. > > Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. > > Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. > > Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. > > Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. > > Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. > > Bob > >>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. >> >> Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. >> >> At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. >> >>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. >> >> Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 07:18:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87A21DAA-A474-4043-A40E-E296BCAA5204@aol.com> Thank you all so much for starting, evolving and maintaining this forum. It is one of the most helpful and friendly groups, whether on-line or in person. It?s about great, fun cars and a greater group of people! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > A bit more history on team.net. > > Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. > > Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. > > Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. > > Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. > > Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. > > Bob > >>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. >> >> Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. >> >> At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. >> >>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. >> >> Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 07:42:48 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:42:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars Message-ID: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 08:11:07 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> References: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joe, interesting reading. Charlie Rainville, the guy who built my Spitfire, won his class (GT1.3) in an Alfa (traitor), And some guy named Shelby was DQ'd for illegal fueling. mike h On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:43 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 08:30:16 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:30:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness Message-ID: Not virus related "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 09:05:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. Message-ID: FOT, Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. Thanks to: Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware Ya. I did some stuff, too. Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200412_091752.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 48204 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Apr 12 09:12:28 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:12:28 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101d610dc$c8674930$5935db90$@gmail.com> Very cool! Cheers Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Joe Alexander via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. April 2020 17:05 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. FOT, Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. Thanks to: Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware Ya. I did some stuff, too. Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. From gasket.works at gte.net Sun Apr 12 09:34:42 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars References: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> This is very important information. ?I believe i?am in error. ?The friends of triumph web?site historic photos likely?needs?correction too.? Mr Okers son contacted me some years ago about this. ?And said his dad was driving.....Was there another year where the tr?/?alfa / mercedez were enterd with same car?numbers? ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Sunday, April 12, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 10:38:53 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:38:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> References: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7BDEE009-B206-44F8-9998-F50041B9C17B@gmail.com> I am going to assume the your father in law took the first stint. This a very cool shot. I have not contact Bob Johns, yet, but will if he doesn?t see this. I will look up the results for 1958. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?This is very important information. I believe i am in error. The friends of triumph web site historic photos likely needs correction too. > > Mr Okers son contacted me some years ago about this. And said his dad was driving..... > Was there another year where the tr / alfa / mercedez were enterd with same car numbers? > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:00:38 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:00:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a > consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National > Championship. > > Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. > Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a > couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. > > The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. > > Thanks to: > Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. > Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. > Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. > Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware > > Ya. I did some stuff, too. > > Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:05:34 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:05:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Kas. Brendan will be equal to challenge. I am good yet for a light wind. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Apr 12 11:07:32 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:07:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: References: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com>, Message-ID: << 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? >> Ha! My dad had a Renault Dauphine before I was born. Before he bought his 356. The Dauphine was NOT his favorite car, but it generated some great stories. One day he went "rocketing" away from a stoplight and up an on ramp. He was pulled over by a cop and accused of speeding. He pulled out his pink slip and offered it to the cop, telling him to take the car back to the stoplight and if he could get it up to "speeding" speeds at the top of the on ramp, he could have it. He got off without a ticket. The Dauphine died on top of a rock pile at the end of a farm field in the Kettle Moraine (a hilly, twisty bit of southeastern Wisconsin where the glaciers dumped their load at the end of their run - where Road America is located). Dad had a tendency to drive pretty close to the limit in whatever he was driving there, whether he liked the car or not. The Duaphine slid wide off the road and up onto a rock pile, taking out most of the undercarriage and holing the sump and the fuel tank. He was worried it was maybe not totaled enough, so he flicked his cigarette butt into it and also burned to the ground. Dad was kind of a badass back in the day. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:24:54 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars interesting to look at, a lot of DNFs, and 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:24:54 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars interesting to look at, a lot of DNFs, and 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:08:43 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:08:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B422E23-320A-4165-A55D-0310AEEFEBEB@gmail.com> I used to be able to roll a boat over, land on the centerboard, bring it back up, and never get wet. Now I would just fall in the water and stay there until help comes. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:42:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:42:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, Wow! That looks way different than the day we hauled it out of Doug?s shop... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Krantz ReK Racing > On April 12, 2020 at 3:05 PM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Apr 12 15:18:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:18:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on? Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and calories. Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. OBTW: I supplied the can! Great times. Cheers Bill PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another time. On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Not virus related > "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady > Moss > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Apr 12 15:50:52 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:50:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: These guys can make them too. http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 15:53:11 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2616FC1E-E7C6-4AD1-937F-121963A216DB@aol.com> I?ve had one on order from Moldex since December...... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 15:53:11 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2616FC1E-E7C6-4AD1-937F-121963A216DB@aol.com> I?ve had one on order from Moldex since December...... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 16:27:14 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. Dave H. > On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > These guys can make them too. > > http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 16:36:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. > Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 16:36:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. > Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 18:12:32 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:12:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So it is Riverisde 1958. The Caravan Motel, where all the races stayed. I am waiting to check in the fellow ahead of me is Sterling Moss. He finished up and I introduced myself, he wanted to know what I was racing. I told him a TR-3 and he smiled and then talked to me for twenty minutes about my car and the Triumphs in general & the track and racing and was so kind and truly interested. Then he spoke about his Aston Martin. He took the time was very kind. Grand guy and a terrific racer. Always been my favorite. On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. > > Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. > > At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend > warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and > calories. > > Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme > up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series > sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and > Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like > the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the > stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped > them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great > fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. > > Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. > > OBTW: I supplied the can! > > Great times. > > Cheers Bill > > PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was > second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped > out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We > had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another > time. > On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Not virus related > "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss > > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Apr 12 18:14:28 2020 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vangoughv) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:14:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is a great story! LOL Happy Easter everyone.. Vince > On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. > > Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. > > At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and calories. > > Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. > > Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. > > OBTW: I supplied the can! > > Great times. > > Cheers Bill > > PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another time. > > On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> Not virus related >> "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss >> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 18:46:39 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:46:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I did not know that. But, of course they do. DH Sent from my iPad > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Phil Gott wrote: > > Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. >> Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From outlook_91706A5C9905ADA5 at outlook.com Sun Apr 12 21:59:54 2020 From: outlook_91706A5C9905ADA5 at outlook.com (Robert Johns) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 03:59:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results Message-ID: Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 08:42:06 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bob, I am glad I brought it up. It makes a great story to retell....especially from you. A shining moment in Triumph History. The Kastner Cup is still on......until it?s not. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Robert Johns via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. > AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:15:06 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, Thanks for the corrections. The records should be changed. Too important. What a shining day in the history of Triumphs. It was good to revisit it. But it makes us wonder why the design of the throw out bearing fastener was not changed, instead of following us all the way thru the TR6. We all wonder about the schedule in June. And hope that the right decisions will be made. Provisionally, we will see you and Jean, there. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Robert Johns via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. > AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:23:47 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:23:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel hub In-Reply-To: <107721028.2871797.1586686086652@mail.yahoo.com> References: <107721028.2871797.1586686086652@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thank you everyone it has been identified i will post the one i make because both Moss and Mota-lita are Covid Closed for now. Mike Deweerd On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:08 AM David Gott wrote: > Hi Mike, > > That looks like a Springalex steering wheel boss to me. Try this: > > http://www.springalexltd.com > > Hope that helps! > > Cheers! > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:59 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > Can anyone identify this steering wheel hub ? > It was in my #77 TR4 when I bought it > It has the Triumph sized spline and bolts onto what looks like a TR6 or > spitfire steering wheel > I?d like to find another one for a customer who wants a Styla steering > wheel hub adapted into his TR2 > Thanks in advance > Mike > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a 'bird' under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The 'birds' seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Apr 13 12:04:17 2020 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:04:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68772704ACA34AE2BAD9F5A33FDD2D6B@DESKTOPF2062B6> Much to my surprise, my message did get through. It is not in my sent file. Someone please explain that. Now, a new subject. Sterling's passing and memories of him. In 1955, on one of many trips I took to the "Ring" to see what might be going on between races. As usual, I was walking the track side pit row (across the track from the Hotel) and there was Sterling doing nothing special along the same route. I engaged him in conversation and after a bit, he says, let us go get a coffee at the Hotel caf?. So, we did, and had a very nice conversation. Fond memories. Mordy, sorry about the miss spelling. I know better. In too big of a hurry. R.Johns -----Original Message----- From: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Photos from 1957 Sebring (Bob Johns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:33:55 -0400 From: "Bob Johns" To: Subject: [Fot] Photos from 1957 Sebring Message-ID: <89E50570133544ACA5C8D9E53F2E089E at DESKTOPF2062B6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here are three photos from 57 Sebring. Writeup explaining the confusion was done last night, but got lost sending. Will take time to recompose today. Morty is correct and understands the issue. R. Johns From: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:24 AM To: Robert Johns Subject: 3 items Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: #34 (SRW 991) and others at Sebring.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 86286 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1957 Sebring 1 st. in class trophy prestation.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 135041 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1957 Sebring 019.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 4172684 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 ************************************* From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 12:17:03 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Photos from 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1272479840.5048144.1586801823434@mail.yahoo.com> Mr Johns, I am doing some research for an article featuring you, my friend. I have been working on a list of questions and would love to do a sit-down interview with you. I am hoping that you will be at the Kastner Cup and hope it is not canceled. Let me know if you are game for that. If anything, we could do it over the phone if the Cup is canceled or if you are not attending. We can play that by ear. Thank you sir. Please stay safe. I hope to talk to you soon... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Apr 13 13:28:00 2020 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moving parts References: <11482BDA-EC41-4DCD-AF6D-DCF801FBC6F1.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <11482BDA-EC41-4DCD-AF6D-DCF801FBC6F1@aol.com> Amici, I have a chance to get a non-triumph part and I want to know if someone can get it transported closer to me. I am an hour away from VIR. It?s a crown Victoria front suspension (I have pictures) and it?s in Sainte Genevieve MO, I am in Durham NC. I would ask you to pay for it (I?ll send you the money first), transport it, and I?ll get it where we decide to switch it off. I know with the lockdown it might take a while to transport and such, I am willing to wait. Sincerely, Christopher Bock SeaCubeCo.com 609-319-4322 From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Apr 13 16:30:33 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:30:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: BADGE ID References: <011401d611e2$96d04140$c470c3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Undiscovered Classics > Subject: RE: FYI > Date: April 13, 2020 at 6:26:33 PM EDT > To: "'Tom Householder'" > Reply-To: > > Hi Tom. Thanks for sending my way. Stay healthy out there?. > > Geoff > > > From: Tom Householder > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:07 PM > To: Undiscovered.Classics at gmail.com > Subject: FYI > > > http://britishcarlinks.com > > > > New mystery car! > > > > > From down under comes this very interesting mystery car. If you know what it is the owner can be reached via the link below. "I have just purchased this a Triumph based sports racing car in Australia it is believed to be a early 60s car, the body appears to be to well made to be a one off (but always possible). I am looking for any information people may have, unfortunately the previous owner has passed away and his family know very little about this car any information you or your website may have would be appreciated , I hope to rebuild it and race it in historic racing but to do so I need to establish more information about it to have them accept it. photos can be viewed on the attached link, the car is all there (just disassembled) bar one side of the front suspension. which appears to be standard so it should not be a problem to replace. http://users.tpg.com.au/normv/RACECAR/RACECAR.html . > > Thanks > Norm Vesty" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 Onderwerp: [Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pulled the stub and re-positioned the bearing away from the collar on the axle by about 1/4" to 3/8" (around 6 or 8 mm) and bolted it back up. Leak-free! The bearing moved fairly easily on the shaft. The flange, on the other hand - I have had them on a press and used 30 tons of force and the stub and flange did not separate. Note that when you use a press, do not use a universal collar to support the flange or you will bend the flange. Regarding whether there's a"fix" for the bearing walking on the shaft, the answer is: there's a collar machined on the differential side of the stub axle that keeps the axle stub from pulling out and if forces try to push the stub towards the differential eventually the bearing bottoms on the output flange. But that stub position can move around a bit. Good luck! Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 6:21:27 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lewis Hamilton has to chase his seventh F1 title, Stirling Moss could afford to get none. Marcel ________________________________ Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 Onderwerp: [Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! 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I'm talking about an TR4a IRS : maybe all IRS diff's are not the same : on a TR4A that collar is pressed upon the half shaft not machined and the bearing is on the diff side of the collar. Marcel Van: "Robert Lang" Aan: "fot" , "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 14:02:59 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi, It's funny how some things seem to happen coincidentally - I had a customer car in the shop this week with a leaky stub axle. I had a re-conditioned stub axle on the shelf and bolted it in. The seal was clearly not riding on the axle seal surface. I took a test spin and "leak city". Pulled the stub and re-positioned the bearing away from the collar on the axle by about 1/4" to 3/8" (around 6 or 8 mm) and bolted it back up. Leak-free! The bearing moved fairly easily on the shaft. The flange, on the other hand - I have had them on a press and used 30 tons of force and the stub and flange did not separate. Note that when you use a press, do not use a universal collar to support the flange or you will bend the flange. Regarding whether there's a"fix" for the bearing walking on the shaft, the answer is: there's a collar machined on the differential side of the stub axle that keeps the axle stub from pulling out and if forces try to push the stub towards the differential eventually the bearing bottoms on the output flange. But that stub position can move around a bit. Good luck! Regards, Bob Lang On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 6:21:27 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed. I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glen. -----Original Message----- To: fubog1 Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi Glen,that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now!Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: ?TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed.I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed.Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lorne From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 14 08:57:22 2020 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (tr4 at wi.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:57:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1154185234.340219695.1586848721752.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <629279658.341031746.1586857736001.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1389499639.128114.1586865366758@mail.yahoo.com> <2123421976.341757734.1586868021388.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> Guys, I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster can happen. There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. Steve Yott From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare job due to a stuck flange... Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... Glen. -----Original Message----- To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi Glen, that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now! Marcel _____ Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed. I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing _____ Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Chip Collingwood" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot > wrote: Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 09:08:32 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> References: <1154185234.340219695.1586848721752.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <629279658.341031746.1586857736001.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1389499639.128114.1586865366758@mail.yahoo.com> <2123421976.341757734.1586868021388.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <909336416.199189.1586876912999@mail.yahoo.com> Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience.A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever they're disassembled.Glen -----Original Message----- To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing #yiv1772110011 #yiv1772110011 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv1772110011 #yiv1772110011 p.yiv1772110011MsoNormal, #yiv1772110011 li.yiv1772110011MsoNormal, #yiv1772110011 div.yiv1772110011MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1772110011 a:link, #yiv1772110011 span.yiv1772110011MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1772110011 .yiv1772110011MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv1772110011 div.yiv1772110011WordSection1 {}#yiv1772110011 Guys,I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press and good fitting press plates.? Please do not heat these up and quench or anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs.? I have come across many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway slot and evidence of severe heating.? You are playing with disaster if these should completely fail under a load.? And as stated if the small step on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster can happen. ?There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?..? I have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. ?Steve Yott ?From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing ?Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare job due to a stuck flange...Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged.They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't.If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy...Glen. ? ?-----Original Message----- To: fubog1 Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearingHi Glen,that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now!Marcel ?Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: ?TR6 inner shaft bearing ?There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed.I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed.GlenNote... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure ?-----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing ? ?Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing ?I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing ?the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. ?On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA ?On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? ?-- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In all cases I had to resort to a 50 ton or 100,000lb press using a large bearing splitter against the axle flange. I keep a trash can under the press to collect the ejected parts as the trash is a good cushion. When the parts separate there is usually an explosive bang when it comes apart. I did these on an OTC 50 ton press. I plan on trying this out again now on my vintage (say old) Carolina 50 ton press. The first one of these I did back in the mid 90's I brought it into our Development Shop (big 3 engineering) and we tried to separate one. The flame wrench didn't help and despite the press being modern and the hydraulics pumped to the ram it wasn't enough to separate it. It wasn't close to a 50 ton press. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:08 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less > as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience. > A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever > they're disassembled. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Guys, > I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you > that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press > and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or > anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across > many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway > slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if > these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step > on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster > can happen. > > There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I > have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. > > Steve Yott > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM > *To:* van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare > job due to a stuck flange... > Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there > isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little > loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in > those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. > They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. > If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench > will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... > Glen. > > > -----Original Message----- > To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > Hi Glen, > that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have > been replaced in that way by now! > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the > bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been > removed. > I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to > change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. > Glen > Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Chip Collingwood" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by > as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. > Is that common? Is there a simple fix? > Marcel > *Aan: *"Jay Galbreath" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't > take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart > for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the > shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a > 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 > tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont > think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: > > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hesitate to mention my experiences because I'm sure there are some risks involved but they work for me and I have no failures. I have access to a 40 ton press at work but I have only needed it twice. On the stub axles hubs I have had good luck with a huge three leg puller. I loosen the nut to protect the threads, set up the puller under tension and give it a heavy smack on the end with a 2 lb sledge. If I'm lucky I hear a loud bang and the puller falls to the bench. If that doesn't work I take it to my Harbor Freight 10 ton press and leave it under tension while I tap the sides a bit. They have popped there too. If not, I reinstall the stub axle in the diff and try another smack. That usually does the trick. I have resorted to to a few back and forth trips to the press but I always win. I should probably pick an old busted up diff to use as a "tool" for this but I've been doing this as a part of the disassembly. For the IRS hubs I have one of the hub pullers that a list member made a run of years ago. I don't always win. I have ruined at least one vise, snapped the head on a 1/2" breaker bar and twisted the nut head off the puller screw in trying to separate the hubs. I resort to laying them out on the floor with appropriate bar levers before packing them off to the press at work. I have bent just one flange and that was before I bought the puller. I bought a cheap large at HF to adjust the hubs. It took a long time to grind it down to be narrow enough to fit but it works. Bob Kramer On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less > as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience. > A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever > they're disassembled. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Guys, > I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you > that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press > and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or > anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across > many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway > slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if > these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step > on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster > can happen. > > There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I > have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. > > Steve Yott > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM > *To:* van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare > job due to a stuck flange... > Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there > isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little > loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in > those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. > They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. > If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench > will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... > Glen. > > > -----Original Message----- > To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > Hi Glen, > that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have > been replaced in that way by now! > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the > bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been > removed. > I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to > change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. > Glen > Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Chip Collingwood" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by > as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. > Is that common? Is there a simple fix? > Marcel > *Aan: *"Jay Galbreath" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't > take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart > for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the > shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a > 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 > tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont > think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: > > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The crash > at Goodwood almost did kill Sir Moss ... > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Stirling Moss : 4 times F1 runner up but no F1 championship title, yet he > is recognised as a true all times great. Lewis Hamilton has to chase his > seventh F1 title, Stirling Moss could afford to get none. > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway > > The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am > series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust > International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles > (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch > practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim > Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce > and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding > Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car > and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. > > > > While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I > turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is > explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year > old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph > but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. > The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. > What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! > > > > Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Apr 15 04:17:57 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 06:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs Message-ID: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable races... https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? Take a look at what race was ranked #1... Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Apr 15 08:15:19 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs In-Reply-To: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> References: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <267F7666AE4944E881A565C9F00E14C7@VlackTK121647> Just watched it again and I was as excited as watching it the first time. Wow 11 years ago, time fly's. Just fun. JVV -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 6:17 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable races... https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? Take a look at what race was ranked #1... Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 11:52:35 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Message-ID: Listerati Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. Thanks Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 12:11:30 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:11:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Redline References: <20E95360-56E0-407F-91F6-49A7C10CA73F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> Sent from my Commodore 64 Begin forwarded message: > From: Bud > Date: April 15, 2020 at 11:29:41 AM MDT > To: Bud > Subject: Redline > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1479.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 88230 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 12:22:30 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bud, I got this from my tranny and diff guy, John Esposito at Quantum Mechanics. Not a direct answer to your question but it does reference Redline diff oils "For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says GL5). For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 spec synthetic oils." mike h On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:54 PM Bud Rolofson via Fot wrote: > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal > in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it > "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic > make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of > water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are > "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the > shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff > with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 12:40:01 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Car Quest EP 90 GL-4 can be purchased at Advance Auto Parts. I think it is special order but some may even carry it on the shelf. I like the GL4 in my Detroit Locker because I can drain and refill it often. I can do that with synthetics too, at a much higher price. The same reason I use Valvoline VR-1 non synthetic oil. CARQUEST Grease and Lube EP 90 GL-4 Gear Oil, 1 Gallon No Reviews 30 DAY REPLACEMENT IF DEFECTIVE Part # 990-01 Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:22 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Bud, I got this from my tranny and diff guy, John Esposito at Quantum > Mechanics. Not a direct answer to your question but it does reference > Redline diff oils > > "For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 > spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says > GL5). > > For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 > spec synthetic oils." > > mike h > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:54 PM Bud Rolofson via Fot > wrote: > >> Listerati >> Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal >> in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it >> "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic >> make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? >> I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of >> water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are >> "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the >> shelf. >> Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff >> with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. >> >> Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. >> Thanks >> Bud >> >> Sent from my Commodore 64 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don at dcphotos.com Wed Apr 15 12:53:48 2020 From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:53:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> Bud, Pretty sure, at least with the Spit/GT6 diffs, once you weld them you no longer have any yellow bits to worry about. Don > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 > From: Bud Rolofson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 123 > ************************************* From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 15 14:39:45 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 22:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> References: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> Message-ID: <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproof-gear-oil In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but surely GL4 does contain sulfur. Again in general, synthetic gear oil is much better : the differential will run at a lower temperature because of the lower friction of the synthetic oils, compared to the mineral oils. I surely would not be afraid to use the Redline oil gear oils in differentials and dogboxes. There is some confusion about synthetic gear oil and synchro rings : because of the low friction, the synchrorings would not grip enough upon the sliding surfaces of the gearbox hubs, preventing the synchronising, but eating the rings? I don't think so. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 15 april 2020 20:53:48 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Bud, Pretty sure, at least with the Spit/GT6 diffs, once you weld them you no longer have any yellow bits to worry about. Don > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 > From: Bud Rolofson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 123 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 15 15:07:38 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:07:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. According to the white paper at https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half and can also contribute to rust problems." I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). -- Randall ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > > https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo f-gear-oil > In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > surely GL4 does contain sulfur. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:18:41 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:18:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Redline In-Reply-To: <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> References: <20E95360-56E0-407F-91F6-49A7C10CA73F@comcast.net> <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Bud, I've been using Redline MT-90 Synthetic GL-4 in the Spitfire Gearbox and Diff without trouble. https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil I Emailed Redline regarding the proper fluid for my Detroit Locker Diff and they suggested Lightweight Shockproof. The MT in MT-90 stands for 'Manual Transmission'. Lightweight Shockproof is made for differentials: https://www.redlineoil.com/lightweight-shockproof Hope this helps. Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:11 AM Bud Rolofson via Fot wrote: > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Bud > *Date:* April 15, 2020 at 11:29:41 AM MDT > *To:* Bud > *Subject:* *Redline * > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:28:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that > they do > > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > > > According to the white paper at > > > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the > other > > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear > axles. > > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a > WAG). > > > > -- Randall > > > > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > >> > >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > > f-gear-oil > >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Apr 15 15:47:50 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:47:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> Ok, mine are all welded anyway. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do >> > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. >> > >> > According to the white paper at >> > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf >> > >> > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils >> > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers >> > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at >> > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive >> > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A >> > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half >> > and can also contribute to rust problems." >> > >> > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other >> > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" >> > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. >> > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid >> > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). >> > >> > -- Randall >> > >> > >> > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo >> > f-gear-oil >> >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 15 15:52:40 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:52:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> References: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> Message-ID: <7eaddf6c56404ba48ed83ad4dc5fb828@dieselperformanceparts.com> I don?t know much except what I get told by folks much more experienced than me, but I was told by some folks that have been running Spits longer than forever that if you?re running a stock tranny use straight 90 weight as it helps the syncros catch up better. As far as the diffs anytime I use synthetic anything they leak like an MG. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:48 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Ok, mine are all welded anyway. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Bob Kramer > wrote: ? Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot > wrote: > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > According to the white paper at > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 22:30:00 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs In-Reply-To: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> References: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <428305806.1532465.1587011400391@connect.xfinity.com> I just watched a few races. It was so exciting to watch Sam's championship race. What a race! I'm still grinning. Awesome. Dave H. > On April 15, 2020 at 3:17 AM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject > "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want > to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and > total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with > shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable > races... > > https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? > > Take a look at what race was ranked #1... > > Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 15:17:15 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - There's the spherical washers as Bob refers to, but there may also be yellow-metal for the thrust washers for the side gears. Later cars like the TR6 got fiber thrust washers, but some of us install the bronze ones used in the TR3/4. Can't speak to Spitfires, though. If you have a locker, use the cheap stuff and change the diff oil often! And when you change the oil, examine it closely. That way you stay ahead of any "issues". Technically, the proper oils will say "yellow-metal safe" but not all that are safe do say so. CRC StaLube is special order at the local NAPA. Perfect for street cars. l8R,Bob Lang On Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 5:31:22 PM EDT, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff.? ?The Detroit?Locket?has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > According to the white paper at > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 06:33:27 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:33:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "Bob's" are in total agreement other than to mention that the quarts sized StaLube from Napa ends up being quite a bit more expensive than the CarQuest EP90, which comes in gallons. I recycle a lot of it so cost matters. OTOH, I refill a old Stalube quart bottle from my gallon of CarQuest EP90 to use with my hand pump. It's getting old and I should upgrade before the bottom falls out. Bob Kramer On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:17 PM Robert Lang wrote: > Hi - There's the spherical washers as Bob refers to, but there may also be > yellow-metal for the thrust washers for the side gears. Later cars like the > TR6 got fiber thrust washers, but some of us install the bronze ones used > in the TR3/4. > > Can't speak to Spitfires, though. > > If you have a locker, use the cheap stuff and change the diff oil often! > And when you change the oil, examine it closely. That way you stay ahead of > any "issues". > > Technically, the proper oils will say "yellow-metal safe" but not all that > are safe do say so. > > CRC StaLube is special order at the local NAPA. Perfect for street cars. > > l8R, > Bob Lang > > On Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 5:31:22 PM EDT, Bob Kramer via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock > diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that > they do > > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > > > According to the white paper at > > > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the > other > > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear > axles. > > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a > WAG). > > > > -- Randall > > > > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > >> > >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > > f-gear-oil > >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Apr 17 06:55:13 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives Message-ID: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Folks, I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 07:14:49 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives In-Reply-To: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> References: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Ive got the same setup on my TR6. I ended up making minor adjustments to the rod from the brake booster to reduce the free travel, but with caution since an overextension will result in locked brakes. Check this link out where they found a Wilwood master cylinder to their TR6 http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/wilwood_master_cylinder.htm On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:55 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. > Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder > conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels > before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the > increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. > > My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger > rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a > bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 10:26:35 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives In-Reply-To: References: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <20EB4FC7-6E2A-4F41-932A-12CE508DC5DB@comcast.net> I did the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion on my TR6 long ago and over the years have developed what I call the ?Triumph Tap? method of braking. I give a little tap on the brake pedal before fully apply the brakes, which gave me a less travel on the pedal. It got to be such a habit that I had to learn to stop doing it when driving the race car because it?s a detriment when heel/toe braking. Most of the pedal travel seemed to be in ?waking up? the caliper pistons as they tended to spread a bit from some flex in the whole wheel/caliper/rotor system. It was more apparent when auto crossing as that system got flexed a lot more than normal driving. I got used to it and never bothered with a larger brake MC. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > On Apr 17, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > I looked into this a while back, did the conversion, never liked the extra pedal travel, I think maybe there is a 70s or 89s Jag MC with a slightly larger bore that works. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 7:55 AM Jerry Van Vlack > wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. > > My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? > > JVV > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn at gmail.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Fri Apr 17 19:39:01 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Fri Apr 17 19:39:01 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Fri Apr 17 19:43:52 2020 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? Dave From: Rick McCurdy Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM To: David Kettler Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot > wrote: ? Listers, There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. Another option. Dave Kettler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 18 07:11:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:11:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> References: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> Message-ID: I?ve tried it. My main challenge with barrier cream is that I forget to put it on until after my hands get dirty!!! Duh! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:44 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? > > Dave > > From: Rick McCurdy > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM > To: David Kettler > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream > > I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > > > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 18 07:11:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:11:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> References: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> Message-ID: I?ve tried it. My main challenge with barrier cream is that I forget to put it on until after my hands get dirty!!! Duh! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:44 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? > > Dave > > From: Rick McCurdy > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM > To: David Kettler > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream > > I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > > > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. 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Thanks again! Claude? On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 10:10:13 a.m. EDT, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Boy, if I lived closer I'd be knocking on your door ASAP.? I've always admired the look of these wheels. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lotusgagne at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 09:32:55 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs Message-ID: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 18 10:47:46 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:47:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Hi Dave, these shims need to be hardened steel. On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Sat Apr 18 11:31:17 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:31:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aaron, I?ll take them I love those. Don?t know if I will ever find a 4th to make a set but I want them. If you can box them up and tell me the dimensions and weights I can send you either UPS or Fed-Ex pre-paid shipping labels on Monday or whenever it works for you. I think you can just put address labels on the and clear tape the crap out of it and ship them as it without boxes, but I am not sure. I?ll ask my Fed-Ex rep. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:02 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims 3 revolution rims. Free to a good home. Available in western New York maybe around Columbus Ohio or you can pay to have them shipped. 2 are 13x5.5 and 1 13x6 I?ll have to measure the backspace but the price is right. 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Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2784 bytes Desc: image005.jpg URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 18 12:14:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:14:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Titanium is not a good material for friction. That?s why titanium rods never have contact to cranks. Cheers Chris Von: Brian Schirano Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 20:05 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] valve shims and springs I think I got hardened or titanium cup type setup from either Richard Goode or Kai at Wishbone Classics Brian On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Dave, these shims need to be hardened steel. On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 13:10:21 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes. I'm sure that is what's happened here. The shims are too soft. The golden shims are hardened and probably grade8 with no stampings or identification. Golden color same as grade 8 hardware. The other shims are stamped, valve spring shim and Houser, Blufton, Ind. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 18, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Titanium is not a good material for friction. > That?s why titanium rods never have contact to cranks. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Brian Schirano > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 20:05 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Betreff: Re: [Fot] valve shims and springs > > I think I got hardened or titanium cup type setup from either Richard Goode or Kai at Wishbone Classics > > Brian > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Dave, > > these shims need to be hardened steel. > On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. > On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. > > > The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. > > Cheers > Chris > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs > > Hello Friends, > I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. > The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. > One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. > Can someone enlighten me on this? > In the garage on lockdown, > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Apr 18 13:36:55 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've always stayed with GL4 (usually StayLube from the local Napa), but have wondered how much faster GL5 eats yellow metal. I've heard folklore (which I'm always leery of), but never seen any "real" data. Would it take a year or 100 years to show any significant damage? ?- Larry Young From brakey6666 at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 13:54:25 2020 From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens teeth. Glenn On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:31 PM DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > * I?ll take them I love those. Don?t know if I will ever find a 4th to > make a set but I want them. If you can box them up and tell me the > dimensions and weights I can send you either UPS or Fed-Ex pre-paid > shipping labels on Monday or whenever it works for you. I think you can > just put address labels on the and clear tape the crap out of it and ship > them as it without boxes, but I am not sure. I?ll ask my Fed-Ex rep. > [image: http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] > Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, > Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] > Phone: > 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > From: Fot > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf > Of Aaron Johnson via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:02 AM To: > Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims 3 > revolution rims. Free to a good home. Available in western New York maybe > around Columbus Ohio or you can pay to have them shipped. 2 are 13x5.5 and > 1 13x6 I?ll have to measure the backspace but the price is right. I don?t > want to throw them away Aaron * > > > > > > > > > > > * _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2784 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Apr 18 13:58:24 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56fc75c1-b3b9-4853-6ecb-9fd5f28f0235@pobox.com> I'd be concerned about possible undesirable dynamics going on. I'm sure most of you have seen this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REQ1PUM0rY&t=96s. They always talk like springs are the only thing that matters. I think stiffness, weight and the lobe design have something to do with it too. ?- Larry On 4/18/2020 2:10 PM, Dave via Fot wrote: > Yes. I'm sure that is what's happened here. ?The shims are too soft. > ?The golden shims are hardened and probably grade8 with no stampings > or identification. Golden color same as grade 8 hardware. The other > shims are stamped, valve spring shim and Houser, Blufton, Ind. > Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 18 14:07:52 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:07:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> On 4/18/20 1:54 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those > wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. > Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens > teeth. Back in the day I came across a place in Los Angeles called Mr. Lugnut, I think.? I bought a box of 100 of these nuts with 3/8-24 threads.? Silly me, it should have been 1,000.? Or 16,000.? I offered sets of 16 on various Team Net lists for a reasonable price, they were gone in a few days.? I mean, 100 divided by 16 is not a lot.? Of course I am no marketing genius,? so no surprise that The Fat Chance Garage failed as a commercial enterprise, but it was fun while it lasted. mjb. From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Apr 18 14:18:18 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1998770936.362713044.1587241098400.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hi Larry, Precisely. In a racecar differential, there happens always something else before GL5 oil would have the opportunity to do any damage to the "yellow" parts. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "Robert Lang" , "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 18 april 2020 21:36:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic I've always stayed with GL4 (usually StayLube from the local Napa), but have wondered how much faster GL5 eats yellow metal. I've heard folklore (which I'm always leery of), but never seen any "real" data. Would it take a year or 100 years to show any significant damage? ?- Larry Young _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Apr 18 14:25:52 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:25:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> References: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0bf4cbd0-43f8-7cbb-c31e-1838b8a4b890@verizon.net> Hi I have a Fat Chance mountain bike; best bike in the country in the 80's and 90's. Bought it in '89 after I sold my Wicked Fat Chance to a friend of mine. Should have kept it! Even talked to Chris Chance the builder before I bought it. My Fat is still fun after 30 years. Stay safe everyone; this too will pass. Cheers Bill On 4/18/2020 4:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > On 4/18/20 1:54 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: >> I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those >> wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. >> Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens >> teeth. > > > Back in the day I came across a place in Los Angeles called Mr. > Lugnut, I think.? I bought a box of 100 of these nuts with 3/8-24 > threads.? Silly me, it should have been 1,000.? Or 16,000.? I offered > sets of 16 on various Team Net lists for a reasonable price, they were > gone in a few days.? I mean, 100 divided by 16 is not a lot.? Of > course I am no marketing genius,? so no surprise that The Fat Chance > Garage failed as a commercial enterprise, but it was fun while it lasted. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 18 14:43:40 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:43:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> References: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9b2824b4-0586-5358-8ab2-d8e049a9b3b6@bradakis.com> Memory Lane ... mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 17:10:25 2020 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets Message-ID: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! Jon Wright -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the photo from left to right, Stock TR3-4, factory competition from my current engine and mystery parts on the right. The mystery spring retainer/collar is aluminum, but slightly smaller in diameter than the stock unit, 1.25" to 1.305", but looks almost identical to stock in shape and design. I'd appreciate confirmation if someone is familiar with this spring set and their aluminum retainers/collars. I also have a set of steel retainers that are exactly the size of these aluminum units that were together in the set. Perhaps they are Spitfire parts. Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He may have a set of fabricated brackets. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 18 17:56:14 2020 From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets In-Reply-To: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> References: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> Same situation I am in. But you can actually use the Mk3 brackets by extending them using a long bolt with a bushing around the end the size of the Mk1 pocket. Joe > On April 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! > Jon Wright > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 18:23:15 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:23:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I correct myself, hardened spring seat, but titanium keepers https://www.goodparts.com/product/valve-spring-seat-1-125-x-585-x-040/ On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Dave, > > > > these shims need to be hardened steel. > > On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring > rotation. > > On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was > squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. > > The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *DAVE HOGYE via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 > *An:* Friends of Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] valve shims and springs > > > > Hello Friends, > > I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events > and about 5500 miles since it's completion. > > The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and > rods. > > One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were > disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow > and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn > from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as > installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. > It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the > heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. > > Can someone enlighten me on this? > > In the garage on lockdown, > > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 18:27:15 2020 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:27:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets In-Reply-To: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> References: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks Joe, the long bolt was my plan in the mean time. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:56 PM, JOE CURRY wrote: > > ? Same situation I am in. But you can actually use the Mk3 brackets by extending them using a long bolt with a bushing around the end the size of the Mk1 pocket. > > Joe > > On April 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > > > > I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! > > Jon Wright > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 19 04:33:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice. See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 19 04:33:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice. See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From lotusgagne at rogers.com Sun Apr 19 08:35:41 2020 From: lotusgagne at rogers.com (CLAUDE GAGNE) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <133003949.2025977.1587306941664@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Aaron. As I mentioned, I have a fourth Revolution wheel to complete the set, so if your three are still available, please get in touch with me at lotusgagne at rogers.com for shipping to upstate NY. Thanks! Claude On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 06:33:51 a.m. EDT, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice.? See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lotusgagne at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bownes at web9.com Sun Apr 19 19:34:33 2020 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits available In-Reply-To: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> References: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Speaking of which, I have a pristine 1500 trunk lid if anyone would like it.Located in Troy, N.Y. 12182 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:31 AM bfloyd6677 via Fot wrote: > In a few short years of racing Spitfires I have amassed a sizable > collection of stuff. > > Listed is just what I excavated from bins on shelves this morning. > > Located in Western Pa. Photos available upon request. > > Lightweight Quartermaster 1500 flywheel for 5.5" mocked up never ran > $100.00 obo > > Stock brake pedal modified with tilton balance bar Make offer > > Race spares 3 rail 3 synchro trans nice with shift tower etc. Make offer > > 3 rail shift towers used x7 make offer > > Tail shaft housings no cracks or broken ears x6 make offer > > Medium box of new and used small & large synchro rings M.O. > > Need something I might have it. > > T.I.A. > > Bryan Floyd > 513 405 5425 > > > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rek46 at aol.com Mon Apr 20 07:22:38 2020 From: rek46 at aol.com (Rick Kristoff) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits available In-Reply-To: References: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1062618448.3382076.1587388958451@mail.yahoo.com> I also have Spit bits leftover...Mark!!!....plus about 30 lbs of manuals......ask! In a message dated 4/19/2020 10:08:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot at autox.team.net writes: Speaking of which, I have a pristine 1500 trunk lid if anyone would like it.Located in Troy, N.Y. 12182 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:31 AM bfloyd6677 via Fot wrote: In a few short years of racing Spitfires I have amassed a sizable collection of stuff. Listed is just what I excavated from bins on shelves this morning. Located in Western Pa. Photos available upon request. Lightweight Quartermaster 1500 flywheel for 5.5" mocked up never ran $100.00 obo Stock brake pedal modified with tilton balance bar Make offer Race spares 3 rail 3 synchro trans nice with shift tower etc. Make offer 3 rail shift towers used x7 make offer Tail shaft housings no cracks or broken ears x6 make offer Medium box of new and used small & large synchro rings M.O. Need something I might have it. T.I.A. 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If you're like I, the days run together, so this is a reminder that the deadline is only 9 days away. > > So get online; order early and order often > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 12:33:18 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] How to order shirts Message-ID: Great! I've been asked again how to order shirts. The link to the spreadsheet is: order shirts here . Just enter your info there. Payment will only be made after the deadline has closed. Joe says the event is still on (YAY) so let's get those shirts on order, we're well short of the hoped-for threshold. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 13:05:55 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:05:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] How to order shirts. And Thank you to those involved. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <729CE656-21AC-46C7-9CB7-5B85AFEB9E49@gmail.com> Thank you to: Marty Sukey. Chair & Shirt Coordination Clark Lincoln. Superb Shirt Artwork Ted Schumacher. Production of Quality Shirts J. C. Hassall. Kastner Cup Distribution...it just doesn?t happen without Jim. It?s going to be a brilliant shirt. And it may be the last of its kind. (It?s very hard to predict the future). The Kastner Cup Poster, again the artwork is by Clark Lincoln will be a Driver Premium and available to all FOT. There?s an enormous amount of Kas? History embedded in this poster. Kas is very pleased with the content. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:40 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great! I've been asked again how to order shirts. The link to the spreadsheet is: order shirts here. Just enter your info there. Payment will only be made after the deadline has closed. Joe says the event is still on (YAY) so let's get those shirts on order, we're well short of the hoped-for threshold. > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-)J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 19:08:34 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 22 03:07:59 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Nick Black" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. How is the clutch pedal feel? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Apr 22 03:42:55 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 03:42:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Archive search progress Message-ID: I'd recently found out that there was a problem with the archive [ http://autox.team.net/archive ] search function.? Searching for something would not look at any mail added to the archives since 2012 or so. I'm making some progress on the problem, for example if you do a search for 'Kastner Cup 2020' you actually get results showing messages from 2020.? Still some issues with the automatic updates, but it takes some time to go through some of the archaic code, track down and rewrite bits that are no longer supported in current versions of PERL. Hope you are all managing as best you can to stay healthy and happy these days. mjb. From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 03:58:47 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Nick, The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. ?Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? ?Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole?? How is the surface of the flywheel? ?I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. ?Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? ?Did you scuff it down a bit? ?? Here?s the long shot. ?What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust?bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. That?s all I got! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Nick Black" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line?It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden.How is the clutch pedal feel??Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 04:50:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560CAF6B-E4D3-49EE-8A12-A01B84108791@aol.com> Nick; Has changing all those parts made a difference? Or are you asking before putting it all back together to make sure you?ve covered all the bases? Normally a grabby clutch is due to the friction surface (interface between the disc and pressure plate/flywheel) and lack of compliance in the clutch disc itself. In your case I would look for a crack in the pressure plate and the flywheel friction surface. You might want to have a cut taken off the flywheel surface to be sure there are no irregularities or build up of glaze. You?ve already done this on one side with a new pressure plate. I would not stop the throwout bearing sleeve from spinning. It should have no effect on this problem one way or the other. Being brass, if constrained it will wear in one spot where the fork interfaces with it. Might be doing that anyways. Good luck! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:59 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi Nick, > > The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole? > > How is the surface of the flywheel? I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? Did you scuff it down a bit? > > Here?s the long shot. What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. > > That?s all I got! > > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Nick Black" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? > It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. > How is the clutch pedal feel? > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 04:50:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560CAF6B-E4D3-49EE-8A12-A01B84108791@aol.com> Nick; Has changing all those parts made a difference? Or are you asking before putting it all back together to make sure you?ve covered all the bases? Normally a grabby clutch is due to the friction surface (interface between the disc and pressure plate/flywheel) and lack of compliance in the clutch disc itself. In your case I would look for a crack in the pressure plate and the flywheel friction surface. You might want to have a cut taken off the flywheel surface to be sure there are no irregularities or build up of glaze. You?ve already done this on one side with a new pressure plate. I would not stop the throwout bearing sleeve from spinning. It should have no effect on this problem one way or the other. Being brass, if constrained it will wear in one spot where the fork interfaces with it. Might be doing that anyways. Good luck! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:59 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi Nick, > > The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole? > > How is the surface of the flywheel? I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? Did you scuff it down a bit? > > Here?s the long shot. What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. > > That?s all I got! > > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Nick Black" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? > It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. > How is the clutch pedal feel? > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 06:36:45 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, just wondering if the problem could be downstream from the clutch. Could something be resisting turning until there's full engagement? Jack up the car and move all the drive line components by hand, see if everything is smooth, no binding. I was sure I had a clutch problem until the broken tooth in the diff finally made itself abundantly clear, just before the rest of the drive train sheared off at speed. mike h On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 9:11 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). > It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage > to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the > locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the > clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing > sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, > bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave > cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without > any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on > the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the > sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 08:24:35 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks? for all the ideas about this... Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored?full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole.The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! lack-o-slip here in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 09:17:09 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update In-Reply-To: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17687C19-39D8-4C1E-BDA0-8D28647EBBF2@aol.com> Nick; With an aluminum flywheel the problem could be with the steel friction surface. Are all the machine screws tight? Does the disc interfere with the aluminum around the periphery? Check for cracks. Take it off and use the magma flux penetrant crack test or even better have a shop do it on the steel surface. Even though the surface of the insert looks ok, it could have a glaze on it that grabs the disc. I?ve seen the on disc brakes. The brakes will begin to judder - alternating slip grip - yet the discs would look fine. Taking sandpaper to the discs will remove any material build up and the judder goes away. Best way to do this on the flywheel is to have a machine shop take a fine cut - or replace the insert. If it is a very old Tilton like mine, the insert is available from AASCO Motorsports in Anaheim CA. 714 758 8500. Hope this helps! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks for all the ideas about this... > > Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. > > Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. > > Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. > > David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole. > The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. > > Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. > > Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. > > The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. > > I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! > > lack-o-slip here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 09:17:09 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update In-Reply-To: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17687C19-39D8-4C1E-BDA0-8D28647EBBF2@aol.com> Nick; With an aluminum flywheel the problem could be with the steel friction surface. Are all the machine screws tight? Does the disc interfere with the aluminum around the periphery? Check for cracks. Take it off and use the magma flux penetrant crack test or even better have a shop do it on the steel surface. Even though the surface of the insert looks ok, it could have a glaze on it that grabs the disc. I?ve seen the on disc brakes. The brakes will begin to judder - alternating slip grip - yet the discs would look fine. Taking sandpaper to the discs will remove any material build up and the judder goes away. Best way to do this on the flywheel is to have a machine shop take a fine cut - or replace the insert. If it is a very old Tilton like mine, the insert is available from AASCO Motorsports in Anaheim CA. 714 758 8500. Hope this helps! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks for all the ideas about this... > > Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. > > Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. > > Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. > > David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole. > The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. > > Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. > > Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. > > The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. > > I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! > > lack-o-slip here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 22 10:55:58 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it?It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 11:18:46 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 17:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> Nick, My other suggestion would have been to try a smaller master cylinder. ?I have a similar setup with Tilton dual discs and went to a larger .75 master, because my pedal movement was too far! ? But you?ve already tried that one! Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:57 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it?It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 22 12:29:00 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1476040127.380522137.1587580140546.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I would put my money on the suggestion of Phil Gott about the crankshaft thrust washers : if one of these thrust washer has fallen out, the crankshaft can move for- and afterwards : this can easily be checked by moving the crankshaft pulley with large screwdrivers: when the thrust washer has fallen out, the pulley(and the crankshaft with it) can be moved by one or 2 mm. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 19:18:46 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Nick, My other suggestion would have been to try a smaller master cylinder. I have a similar setup with Tilton dual discs and went to a larger .75 master, because my pedal movement was too far! But you?ve already tried that one! Dave [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:57 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it? It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com ] BQ_BEGIN BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 22 12:41:01 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:41:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01d618d5$92ed3c50$b8c7b4f0$@gmail.com> Hmmm?..mechanical noise? Two things come to my mind: 1. A flywheel bolt is touching the clutch plate? 2. Too much leash in the drive train? Gearbox, prop shaft, diff? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von fubog1 via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. April 2020 18:56 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it? It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 18:38:45 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe References: <630262368.67900.1587602325416.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh).The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft?? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCalNick PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know.Thanks for thinking about this -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 19:37:32 2020 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> References: <630262368.67900.1587602325416.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). > The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. > > As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" > > Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! > > The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. > > Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. > > > I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal > Nick > > PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. > Thanks for thinking about this > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 04:53:39 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> References: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: This brings to mind a lesson learned the hard way. Diaphragm pressure plates need to be mated with the correct configuration throwout bearing. The fingers on the plate want to roll on the throwout bearing. If the fingers are straight, the bearing needs to have a curved surface. If the fingers are curved, then a flat faced throwout bearing will work. If a flat faced bearing is used with flat fingers, there could be a very sudden movement and engagement as the fingers transition across the face of the bearing from the inside to outside edge. Depending on the set up and initial orientation of all parts, this may or may not happen in any particular case. I did not raise the issue when Nick first asked for opinions, as the Duke of Oil?s problem happened all of a sudden. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). >> The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. >> >> As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" >> >> Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! >> >> The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. >> >> Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. >> >> >> I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal >> Nick >> >> PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. >> Thanks for thinking about this >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 04:53:39 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> References: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: This brings to mind a lesson learned the hard way. Diaphragm pressure plates need to be mated with the correct configuration throwout bearing. The fingers on the plate want to roll on the throwout bearing. If the fingers are straight, the bearing needs to have a curved surface. If the fingers are curved, then a flat faced throwout bearing will work. If a flat faced bearing is used with flat fingers, there could be a very sudden movement and engagement as the fingers transition across the face of the bearing from the inside to outside edge. Depending on the set up and initial orientation of all parts, this may or may not happen in any particular case. I did not raise the issue when Nick first asked for opinions, as the Duke of Oil?s problem happened all of a sudden. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). >> The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. >> >> As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" >> >> Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! >> >> The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. >> >> Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. >> >> >> I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal >> Nick >> >> PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. >> Thanks for thinking about this >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 12:20:08 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:20:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire over Germany In-Reply-To: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> References: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1.ref@aol.com> <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> Message-ID: <51515D31-4967-46A9-9354-4BD8BFAE2D5C@gmail.com> Not 30 minutes ago i received that video from a friend and just finished forwarding it to my brothers. I wish my dad were still with us to share it with too. He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of the landing and the aftermath! ?Justin Wagner I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > Phil > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of the landing and the aftermath! > > ?Justin Wagner > > I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > [image1.jpeg] > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > > > http://YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > > > Phil > > > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We got some used ones, but they were no better than what we had. Looking for suggestions on sources! Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 15:23:42 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:23:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire over Germany In-Reply-To: <1208699468.1650970.1587673330258@connect.xfinity.com> References: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1.ref@aol.com> <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> <51515D31-4967-46A9-9354-4BD8BFAE2D5C@gmail.com> <1208699468.1650970.1587673330258@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Thanks Phil, good stuff, amazing what's available on there. As an FYI, today is the 15th anniversary of the 1st YouTube upload. 1st video, at the zoo, over 90 million hits https://youtu.be/jNQXAC9IVRw mike h On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:25 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Thanks for sharing this you guys. Great stuff! What a story. > DH > > On April 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM J Wagner via Fot > wrote: > > > Not 30 minutes ago i received that video from a friend and just finished > forwarding it to my brothers. I wish my dad were still with us to share it > with too. He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when > one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of > his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have > been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of > the landing and the aftermath! > > ?Justin Wagner > > I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > [image: image1.jpeg] > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John > Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > > Phil > > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Larry Young From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 19:11:57 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 01:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Parts In-Reply-To: <5198D381-1258-42E4-9041-92E5D5512B62@gmail.com> References: <5198D381-1258-42E4-9041-92E5D5512B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1435509739.491728.1587690717636@mail.yahoo.com> Also try John Esposito at Quantum Mechanics. ?He does a lot of these. john at quantumechanics.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Snook via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2020 4:33 pm Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Parts Hey all, Glen is rebuilding my OD (which has never been apart in my 25+ years of racing the car!) ?It is a big piston A-type and we need some parts: Planetary Gears (at least 2) and some thrust washers. We got some used ones, but they were no better than what we had. Looking for suggestions on sources! Thanks, Jeff Snookhttp://www.snooksdreamcars.com419-344-0319 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 05:02:26 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] OD gearbox transport? Message-ID: Is anyone from the Atlanta area coming to the Kastner Cup? My sis (in ATL) picked up an OD gearbox that I bought for my Spitfire. She planned to bring it to Iowa for me, but the pandemic began and now my Spitfire sits in pieces. There is a box of parts that came with it also. If someone is willing to bring it to Mid Ohio, I would pay you. Please let me know... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Apr 24 17:33:06 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:33:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 944 on YouTube References: Message-ID: I?m happy this film is finding more viewers. The documentary filmmaker is William Lorton, a friend of ours and a work colleague of my wife. You?ll note that this film received Honorable Mention at the 2007 Sundance Film Festival and it?s a fun topic for our group of motorheads. Bill also posted to YouTube more of the raw footage shot by his great Uncle during WW2 that you might enjoy. There is a trailer of his documentary, Take Away One, which also explores a member of his family, an aunt. It?s a remarkable film and I hope you?ll check it out. Go to YouTube and search ?DAvenport 3-2614? for his posted videos. John Frymark Sent from my iPad From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 25 08:08:49 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:08:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Message-ID: <6B80193C3953495E9790C050D75D7ED4@VlackTK121647> List members Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. Thanks Richard. 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Apr 25 13:29:32 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:29:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> I agree. Awesome guy and awesome parts. We put a bunch into an endurance TR6 race car. Man I loved that GP3 cam. I?ll be buying another for my restoration street car. That cam with about a 1/4? shaved off the head really woke the engine up. Good stuff. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yup, second that. Richard has gone above and beyond on some issues on a car I was working on where anybody else would have rightfully said "not my problem". > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:08 AM > To: FOT ; WPTA e-Mail List ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Goodparts > > List members > > Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. > > Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. > > Thanks Richard. > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 15:24:17 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:24:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration Message-ID: Amici Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- *Mike Deweerd* [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 110603 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 25 17:06:36 2020 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 09:06:36 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts In-Reply-To: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> References: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9DFAF590-118E-4101-BEC7-F75AFEE30B2E@optusnet.com.au> I too am a big fan of Richard and the parts he supplies. I run a lot of them on my race cars TR6 and GT6 here in Australia. Good quality and always helpful. I recommend Goodparts to my Triumph mates when they are looking for parts Geoff Byrne TR racer down under Sent from my iPad > On 26 Apr 2020, at 5:30 am, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?I agree. Awesome guy and awesome parts. We put a bunch into an endurance TR6 race car. Man I loved that GP3 cam. I?ll be buying another for my restoration street car. That cam with about a 1/4? shaved off the head really woke the engine up. Good stuff. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Yup, second that. Richard has gone above and beyond on some issues on a car I was working on where anybody else would have rightfully said "not my problem". >> >> Marty >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot >> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:08 AM >> To: FOT ; WPTA e-Mail List ; triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Goodparts >> >> List members >> >> Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. >> >> Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. >> >> Thanks Richard. >> >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sat Apr 25 19:06:36 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:06:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > ? > Amici > Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 25 19:34:59 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> References: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <019E33E1-5567-4470-A74D-44A6DCB8ACF9@aol.com> A terrific idea! I?m in. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 25 19:34:59 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> References: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <019E33E1-5567-4470-A74D-44A6DCB8ACF9@aol.com> A terrific idea! I?m in. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Apr 25 20:07:07 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 02:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> Count me in. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, April 25, 2020,?Michael Deweerd via Fot??wrote: Amici?Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my pointI was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas at the bottom.I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested?I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 26 05:24:24 2020 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:24:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Count me in too. On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Count me in. > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On?Saturday, April 25, 2020,?Michael Deweerd via > Fot??wrote: > > Amici > Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic > and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what > inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the > reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what > they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, > brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational > poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral > byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who > made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be > re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas > at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone > else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would > chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get > enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > /Mike Deweerd/ > image.png > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Apr 26 05:28:49 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> References: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <2FC39734-5F85-4316-BEEB-9322D052C650@optonline.net> I?m in! > On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > > ? Count me in too. > > On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 06:42:58 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 05:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <0e27b1d9-8d39-2adc-00bb-d57c65f28091@gmail.com> On 4/26/20 4:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > Count me in too. Me too please. I could use some inspiration. TeriAnn > > On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On??Saturday, April 25, 2020,??Michael Deweerd via Fot? >> ??wrote: >> >> Amici? >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing >> Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was >> thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what??with all the >> hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them >> again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after >> dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I >> ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational >> poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral >> byline?? "Never be beaten by equipment"?? Perhaps the FOT??member >> who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could >> be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature??from >> Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone >> else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they >> would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we >> can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 26 10:02:12 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:02:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c1b2998-203f-2f17-7e65-5e82f37c0859@bradakis.com> That was a good poster, interesting idea. One of the items on my garage wall is a basic sheet of paper with this on it.? I'm sure many of you will recognize the original source for particular take on it.? I'd like to get a bigger, perhaps a nicely framed version of it to help inspire me to bring the Fat Chance Garage back to what it used to be, or at least somewhat close.? As the old saying goes, the older I get, the better I was. But memories of the way it used to be can be good motivation for the future.? I did some good work back then, and I'm not dead yet. This poster was put together by Chris Kantarjiev, not active on this list these days.? I thought I had the source file, Postscript I believe, for it, but can't seem to find it on my computer. Perhaps Chris has it handy. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200426_085205.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 644803 bytes Desc: not available URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Sun Apr 26 12:20:23 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Goodparts References: <1996585592.360237.1587925223677.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1996585592.360237.1587925223677@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for your positive comments.? And special thanks to Greg for kindly omitting the part where we first sent the adapters to your old address after you clearly included the correct address in your email.? That had to be very frustrating.? We are not perfect but we try hard. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, April 26, 2020 Greg Lemon wrote: I put in the R200 in my TR250, finished the job a few weeks ago.? They forgot to send the adapters for the axles.? I emailed Richard and he said he would send out the parts right away, and he did in the middle everything going on.? All the parts fit and work great.?? It is also a super upgrade by the way.? Highly recommend. Greg LemonTR250 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Apr 26 12:30:56 2020 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523793248.545796.1587925856773@mail.yahoo.com> This conehead would be interested in a couple, one for the garage and the other for my den. Cheers,Bob T '64 Spit Gt? Autocrosser PS? pre season service is almost complete -----Original Message----- From: Michael Deweerd via Fot To: fot Sent: Sat, Apr 25, 2020 5:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration Amici?Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my pointI was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas at the bottom.I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested?I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are not perfect but we try hard. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > On Sunday, April 26, 2020 Greg Lemon wrote: > > I put in the R200 in my TR250, finished the job a few weeks ago. They forgot to send the adapters for the axles. I emailed Richard and he said he would send out the parts right away, and he did in the middle everything going on. All the parts fit and work great. > > It is also a super upgrade by the way. Highly recommend. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us > to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets > and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending > dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I > ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster > on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be > beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual > Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across > the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be > interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime > in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make > it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > [image: image.png] > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 27 14:35:48 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] old British car shop for sale References: <1194859602.785699.1588019749144.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1194859602.785699.1588019749144@mail.yahoo.com> Any one wanting to move to the beautiful mountains of north Georgia? I have a two level barn on 4.1 acres. Both levels are drive in thru sliding barn doors. The lower level has been renovated into a great shop for working on old British cars. I have run a shop for over 45 years and redid the barn two years ago. I want to semi-retire and do not need such a fine shop. Besides the new house we just bought has a big shop on it's property and the wife says I cannot have both. I would be willing to sell just the property and barn or all my special tools and all the new and used parts can be negotiated. 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I would like to not carve ip the??metal > dash but I am willing to do some creative??bending to get the angled > gauges to work. > > > image.png > > > Bob Kramer > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 84367 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 16:21:55 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Gauge pod In-Reply-To: <3706844c-f295-4276-5a33-bbde8a9d43e5@gmail.com> References: <3706844c-f295-4276-5a33-bbde8a9d43e5@gmail.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn Those are very nice looking gauges and meet the need to look as original as possible. I already have 3 SW 2 1/16" gauges that look a lot like these as well so I'm gonna stick with SW but I'll remember that for next time. I heard from Dennis DeLap that he fit 5 gauges into the opening so I think I should be okay. He should have sent the picture he sent to me to all. His dash is artwork. Bob Kramer On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:46 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > You might take a look at VDO series I gauges. > > On 4/27/20 2:31 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Has anyone tried to squeeze 4 or 5 gauges into the center > instrument? panel using these angled? Auto Meter gauge pods? they are 2 > 1/16 which should fit the Stewart Warner gauge line without destroying the > OEM look.? I would like to not carve ip the? metal dash but I am willing > to do some creative? bending to get the angled gauges to work. > > > [image: image.png] > > > Bob Kramer > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Count me in too. >>> >>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>> Count me in. >>>> >>>> Bill Dentinger >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> Amici >>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>> >>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Deweerd >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Another poster wouldn?t hurt! > > > > > >>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: >> ? >> +1 for both posters!!! >> >> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:41 AM Vangoughv via Fot wrote: >>> I?m in.. >>> >>> Vince >>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: >>>> ? Count me in too. >>>> >>>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>>> Count me in. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Amici >>>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>>> >>>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Deweerd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Count me in too. >> >> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and >> being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us >> to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets >> and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending >> dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I >> ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster >> on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be >> beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual >> Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across >> the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be >> interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime >> in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make >> it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> *Mike Deweerd* >> [image: image.png] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 6:30 PM Dave via Fot wrote: > Good reason to keep on keepin' on. > My happy place. > Dave H. > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Apr 28 06:03:02 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:03:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lol. I?m thinking the same! > On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 PM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > ? > Ya'll are making me really want to drywall the garage..... > > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:58 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> My current wall of inspiration. Another poster wouldn?t hurt! >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> +1 for both posters!!! >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:41 AM Vangoughv via Fot wrote: >>>> I?m in.. >>>> >>>> Vince >>>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ? Count me in too. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>>>> Count me in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Amici >>>>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mike Deweerd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'm about the messiest guy you could meet. > > Can I discipline myself to keep the shop tidy? > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 107496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Apr 28 10:45:42 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:45:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration Message-ID: Soooo, I saved every Classic Motorsports magazine so I can go and reference all the shop design pro-tips that have been in the various issues...????????????????????.. Right now they're packed in a Pod behind all the crap from the garage...?...????????... Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdment at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 11:16:44 2020 From: jdment at yahoo.com (Jim McAndrew) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Daytona Continental Winning 1957 TR3 for sale References: <1353044515.1669794.1588094204672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353044515.1669794.1588094204672@mail.yahoo.com> Daytona Continental Winning 1957 TR3 for sale Many of you have received the latest edition of The Vintage Triumph from VTR. On the cover is Fred Schmidt?s beautiful restoration of Bill Cannons? 24 Hour of Daytona class winning TR-4A. If you watch ?Shelby American? of Netflix, you can see that car in some of the vintage film! I have the predecessor to that car- the 1957 TR3 that Bill Cannons built and Dana Kelder/Ara Dube raced. It won its class at the Daytona Continental two years in a row, in 1963 and 1964. The car was found by Tim Suddard in 1997. I bought it and (with lots of help) restored it. The car won a Gold Certificate and the Modified Class at the 2002 VTR Nationals in Redwing, Minnesota. It was also awarded the Ken Richardson Trophy that year.? I raced the car with the Corinthian Vintage Auto Racing group from 2003 to 2006. I raced in the Kastner Cup in 2006 at Hallet Motor Speedway. Kas was gracious to sign the car at that event and the car is one of the cars on the cover of his book, ?Racing, Winning and Other Myths in Triumph Cars?. The car won the Participant?s Choice, Best of Show, in 2017 at the VTR South Central Regionals in New Braunfels, Texas. I?ve been trying to get the car back on the road as a fun, fast, reliable road car, but realize the my automotive mechanic talents and resources have reached their end. The car runs and drives. Carburation and wiring issues (left over problems from my ex-mechanic) are the limiting factors. This has been a real hard decision for me, but it is time for me to sell this car and MANY spares to someone who wants to bring it back to life as a racer or a historic showpiece. What is available: The car- in it?s current configuration: Moss Supercharger with Mikuni carburetor Moldex crank Carrillo rods Aluminum radiator ARE alloy front engine plates 4-speed straight cut gear box Hydraulic throwout bearing Salisbury limited slip Advance Auto-wire wiring harness Revington TR rally suspension Aluminum front hubs with uprated axles Southwick solid rear axle conversion Genuine Magnesium Minilites New roll bar with under dash bar and removable door bars Hardtop Documentation-? All pictures from the Daytona Archives (some are original, others are reprints) Original newspaper articles and race entries Original FIA papers Long play album, ?Sounds of Daytona? with the car pictured on the cover Dana Kelder?s race overalls and jacket Amateur movie film of the car racing in the 60?s converted to VHS and DVD What else: Original race parts (including endurance gas tank and flywheel ?scatter shield?) 3 additional engine blocks- Incl original motor from when raced in the 60?s 2 extra heads- incl one with porting by Jack Drews Overdrive transmission 2 extra alloy valve covers 2 extra rear axles Extra metal body parts Almost a complete set of fiberglass body parts Set of aluminum reproduction minilites A new, complete, Advance Auto-wire wiring harness Extra Moldex crank- set up for Chevy bearings- with matching rods and pistons (unused) Extra rear springs, SU carburetors with ARE heat shield, driving lights, oil cooler, hard top rally light, rear luggage rack, Kas designed velocity stacks, ARE spun-aluminum headlamp covers with decals? $33,000 OBO- offer going out first to FOT, then will be in next edition on The Vintage Triumph classifieds, then ?. 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After that, you snooze, you... well, no one wants to lose. Order by filling in the spreadsheet here: > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 05:53:58 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1184271577.1838246.1588247638280@mail.yahoo.com> Hey - great vid. Peering into the future? To be honest, though, at around 2 minutes there's a moment that proves some guys have real class. C ya,Bob Lang On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 10:58:11 PM EDT, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens.? Give it a view.? Share your thoughts.? ? Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 05:54:27 2020 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube Message-ID: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 06:22:34 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> References: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1096027207.1841761.1588249354317@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - ya, I came up with this one: 4 wheel speed sensors and a bunch of accelerometers and other inputs is way better than my "seat" will ever be. =:-0 c ya,rml On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 7:55:08 AM EDT, Dean via Fot wrote: That was interesting. First thing I notice is how smoothly the steering wheel moves. No sawing Of the wheel back and forth. A lesson to be learned. ? Dean ? ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:58 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube ? Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens.? Give it a view.? Share your thoughts.? ? Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Apr 30 06:54:15 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! Stay safe. Bill On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Hey Gang, > Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid > recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. > Give it a view.? Share your thoughts. > Dave H. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 09:28:02 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. DH > On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. > > I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. > > The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! > > Stay safe. > > Bill > > On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > > > Hey Gang, > > Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. > > Give it a view. Share your thoughts. > > Dave H. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 09:45:32 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:45:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> References: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <5999097A-6069-4F39-8ED1-38CEA17F9E64@gmail.com> I guess your reputation preceeded you Dave ? > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:30 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. > DH >> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >> >> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >> >> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >> >> Stay safe. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>> Hey Gang, >>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>> Dave H. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FB_IMG_1588202837544.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46130 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 10:40:48 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:40:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. > DH >> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >> >> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >> >> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >> >> Stay safe. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>> Hey Gang, >>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>> Dave H. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 10:57:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75389099-ABA2-4927-9269-01D37F5079B7@gmail.com> Joan Fontaine was my seat mate on a flight to Iowa. I don?t think she was very happy about that. I am not sure she was very happy about anything. I had dinner with Debbie Reynolds, once. Except she was at the next table. (She was doing the TV remake of Unsinkable Molly Brown). She was very approachable. One of my friends invited her for drinks in the hotel bar. He was very pleased. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:41 AM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > ? > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Thu Apr 30 11:01:02 2020 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:01:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com>, <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think you?ve got Jackie Stewart wrong there - that was a thank you I suspect, rather than a blow out. He?s an absolute gentleman in my experience and is one of those guys that makes time when he has it, but every minute the man has when he is in public is scheduled and paid for, especially at events where he is representing his long standing sponsors and clients. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:41, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ? In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. DH On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! Stay safe. Bill On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. Give it a view. Share your thoughts. Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 13:19:55 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: It?s very possibly that I too misjudged Jane Seymour. In fact, one of my brothers has a great memory of sharing a moment with her, having words as he boarded an airplane in New York and they were both in first class. I think the point of sharing my story was that the slightest hint of rudeness by a celebrity can breed a memorable, hurtful memory in a fan. Such a slight from a stranger would be shrugged off and probably quickly forgotten. With celebrities, it?s different. On one hand, it seems unfair to the celebrities, but it is one of the costs of being a celebrity. Some take it in stride and learn how to make everyone feel touched. Think of Bill Clinton here. He?s known to work a room and make everyone feel personally acknowledged. (I?m not speaking as a fan of the Clintons, but it is a fact about his nature that probably played a big part in his becoming a governor and POTUS.) I worked on a commercial with Anthony Michael Hall a few years ago. My god, he went out of his way to make each crew member feel like they were the stars. I know he?s not a superstar, but he?s still a celebrity. He could have approached the crew with a 180 degree attitude! They can choose to act like spoiled children or they can recognize that many people they have never met may feel a connection to them as if they had met. I think those that embrace this live happier lives than those that yell obscenities or punch paparazzi in the face or their cameras for the slightest effort to get a picture or that grimace and turn away when recognized in public, etc. I met Kastner in person at a Triumphest. My TR4A was the most beat up and unrestored looking Triumph at the event. (I had only restored it mechanically, it had no top, no carpet, etc., and it roared with nothing but glass-packs!) Word got to me that it was his favorite car of the day. I?m sure he knew it would. Another case of a celebrity that appreciates the responsibility that comes with his celebrity rather than taking it like a bitter pill. He?s always a class act. My beater looking TR as it appeared about that time in the 90?s.... > On Apr 30, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Tony Sheach wrote: > > I think you?ve got Jackie Stewart wrong there - that was a thank you I suspect, rather than a blow out. > > He?s an absolute gentleman in my experience and is one of those guys that makes time when he has it, but every minute the man has when he is in public is scheduled and paid for, especially at events where he is representing his long standing sponsors and clients. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:41, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > ? > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped. The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice. Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs. Twice I was told a check had been sent. I have not received the $130 as of this date. This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. Tim Murphy 1961 Triumph TR4 #317 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Apr 30 17:02:23 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft References: <2114606283.165189.1588287743534.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2114606283.165189.1588287743534@mail.yahoo.com> That is truly?a?sad story. ?So very hard to understand.? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Thursday, April 30, 2020,?timmmurphh--- via Fot??wrote: I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. ? I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date. ? This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. ? Tim Murphy 1961 Triumph TR4 #317 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 17:09:24 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:09:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft Message-ID: Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 17:23:55 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've met Jay Leno at Laguna during the historical races a few times, but the first time was the most memorable. It was early on a Thursday or Friday morning when the paddock was fairly quiet. I was with a friend and saw a Berkeley with the front body work off. Knowing there was a motorcycle engine of some sort in there, I went over for a closer look. I was studying it's Norton engine and other components with great interest. In my excitement to share what I was looking at, I made a really quick pivot to call my friend over and slammed into someone standing closely and silently looking right over my shoulder at the same machine. In an instant I body slammed Jay Leno. I stepped on his foot, kicked him in the shin, elbowed him in the gut and my shoulder just grazed his chin. Before I noticed it was him I grunted and cursed, then looked up and said something like, oh hello and excuse me, I beg your pardon. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote: > > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu Apr 30 17:27:17 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. Block goes back. Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. silly me. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 17:31:31 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:31:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> References: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> Yup, we had a head....they were supposed to skim at .010. I think they dialed in .100. Said they didn?t. End of story. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > ?Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. > > Block goes back. > > Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. > > Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. > > Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. > > Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. > > silly me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Apr 30 17:43:25 2020 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:43:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms - Rick Cline Record In-Reply-To: <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com> References: <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <728963C3-4BCB-4605-A8E5-5ABF257457F3@wi.rr.com> FoT, Note the track length of 1.70 miles. This was before they added 3A and expanded the track to 1.950 miles. Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Apr 30 19:31:41 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:31:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> References: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gave the machine shop very specific instructions including the Kas Spitfire book. Engine lasted 22 minutes. > On Apr 30, 2020, at 19:31, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Yup, we had a head....they were supposed to skim at .010. I think they dialed in .100. > > Said they didn?t. End of story. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Greg Blake wrote: >> >> ?Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. >> >> Block goes back. >> >> Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. >> >> Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. >> >> Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. >> >> Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. >> >> silly me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> 4505 Donald Dr >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>> The-vintage-racer.com >>> Gasketinnovations.com >>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>> >>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:58:52 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:58:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Message-ID: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... 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From: Fot On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 5:59 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Apr 1 19:36:07 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:36:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Apr 1 20:51:50 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 02:51:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals Message-ID: Hope everyone is well during this extraordinary time. That said, my machinist is telling me he is concerned with the pits in my block down where the figure 8 seals live. He says we might have machine down there and deck the block. Isn't there a glue, JB weld or vaccine that will take care of this? What say you? PS: my competition prep manuals are all in a Pod as I am moving to Salt Lake soon. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 1 23:47:23 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 07:47:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01d608b2$2f29fc90$8d7df5b0$@gmail.com> Hi, the simplest method is: * 1 layer of silicone on the blocks surface * Putting the figure 8 gasket on * 1 layer of silicone on the liners seat * Slipping the liner in the block * Pushing them down with the head * Let it rest a few hours No water will ever hit the figure 8 gasket again. Use plenty of silicone at this point. It will be squeezed out. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Henry A. Morrison via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 04:52 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals Hope everyone is well during this extraordinary time. That said, my machinist is telling me he is concerned with the pits in my block down where the figure 8 seals live. He says we might have machine down there and deck the block. Isn't there a glue, JB weld or vaccine that will take care of this? What say you? PS: my competition prep manuals are all in a Pod as I am moving to Salt Lake soon. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 05:44:04 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 07:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. > Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. > My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: > > 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. > Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. > My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: > > 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 06:38:25 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv3107912497 #yiv3107912497 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv3107912497 #yiv3107912497 p.yiv3107912497MsoNormal, #yiv3107912497 li.yiv3107912497MsoNormal, #yiv3107912497 div.yiv3107912497MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv3107912497 a:link, #yiv3107912497 span.yiv3107912497MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3107912497 span.yiv3107912497E-MailFormatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv3107912497 .yiv3107912497MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {} #yiv3107912497 div.yiv3107912497WordSection1 {} #yiv3107912497 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. ?CheersChris ? ?Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott ? ?Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. ?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hello Amici, ?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: ?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. ?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.? ?I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. ?I hope you are all safe and well... ?Cheers, ? ?Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 07:10:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 13:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv6942379707 #yiv6942379707 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv6942379707 #yiv6942379707 p.yiv6942379707MsoNormal, #yiv6942379707 li.yiv6942379707MsoNormal, #yiv6942379707 div.yiv6942379707MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv6942379707 a:link, #yiv6942379707 span.yiv6942379707MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv6942379707 span.yiv6942379707E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv6942379707 .yiv6942379707MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv6942379707 div.yiv6942379707WordSection1 {} #yiv6942379707 Phil, ?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. ?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. ?CheersChris ? ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. ?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. ?Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone ? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home - I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Phil, pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use. I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive? But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv5344674333 #yiv5344674333 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv5344674333 #yiv5344674333 p.yiv5344674333MsoNormal, #yiv5344674333 li.yiv5344674333MsoNormal, #yiv5344674333 div.yiv5344674333MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv5344674333 a:link, #yiv5344674333 span.yiv5344674333MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5344674333 span.yiv5344674333E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv5344674333 .yiv5344674333MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv5344674333 div.yiv5344674333WordSection1 {} #yiv5344674333 I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change.The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50? ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300Phil,?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car.?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids.?CheersChris??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not.?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder.?Phil-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36053 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 2 07:41:24 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:41:24 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> <002301d608f1$6dea4ae0$49bee0a0$@gmail.com> <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> This one: https://www.ebay.de/itm/LPR-Zentralausrucker-Kupplung-3603-12-x-1-Aluminium-fur-SAAB-9000-2-0-16-Turbo/383352319940?epid=1461269385 &hash=item5941942fc4:g:Vh8AAOSwiX1eDtiZ Saab 9000 Turbo Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:29 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 50 Euro! Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change. The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50? Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home - I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Phil, pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use. I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive? But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 08:13:02 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> <002301d608f1$6dea4ae0$49bee0a0$@gmail.com> <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <546145983.599135.1585836782439@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:41 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv9809035299 #yiv9809035299 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv9809035299 #yiv9809035299 p.yiv9809035299MsoNormal, #yiv9809035299 li.yiv9809035299MsoNormal, #yiv9809035299 div.yiv9809035299MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv9809035299 a:link, #yiv9809035299 span.yiv9809035299MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv9809035299 span.yiv9809035299E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv9809035299 .yiv9809035299MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv9809035299 div.yiv9809035299WordSection1 {} #yiv9809035299 This one:https://www.ebay.de/itm/LPR-Zentralausrucker-Kupplung-3603-12-x-1-Aluminium-fur-SAAB-9000-2-0-16-Turbo/383352319940?epid=1461269385&hash=item5941942fc4:g:Vh8AAOSwiX1eDtiZ ?Saab 9000 Turbo ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:29 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?50 Euro! ?Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change.The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year.-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300Phil,?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car.?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids.?CheersChris??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not.?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder.?Phil-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the > Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have > an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily > available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory > flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck > clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that > has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I > would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your > valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly > as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > * > * > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 103 E. Main St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Apr 2 12:27:22 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:27:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > It's like they can read my mind or something. > > Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! > Umm, you just did.... :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 2 12:34:20 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:34:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me often when I Google something I?m looking for. JVV From: Michael Porter via Fot Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:27 PM To: Robert Lang ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: It's like they can read my mind or something. Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! Umm, you just did.... :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 2 13:23:56 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: > On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a > way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me > often when I Google something I'm looking for. One way is to not use Google. There are numerous other search engines that do not track you. One such is DuckDuckGo https://duckduckgo.com/ I use a Firefox plug-in called Ad Block Plus that pretty well ensures I don't see any web ads, targeted or not. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 2 13:33:54 2020 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 19:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: <221210616.1253365.1585856034504@mail.yahoo.com> I'm not a full-fledged IT sort but I believe using your Browser's Private mode will help since it prevents cookies from being stored. Also if you are signed in to Google (which they highly encourage), sign out. But I suspect Google still knows your IP address and can track your queries that way. If you have a Google account, you can view the history they've recorded (have a stiff drink ready when you do this), delete and stop the tracking. My Account -> Data & Personalization -> Activity Controls -> Web & App Activity -> Pause. But that's only for Google, not all the other data-Hoovers. AFAIK a VPN service is the definitive way to block tracking. Your VPN provider hides your IP address so you can't be tracked. There are many free and paid ones. A friend who works in IT for a bank has VPN endpoints in many countries so he can watched blocked F1 races. Hope that helps, people who are more knowledgeable feel free to chime in. Gary Schneider On Thursday, April 2, 2020, 1:34:30 PM CDT, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me often when I Google something I?m looking for.JVV?From: Michael Porter via Fot Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:27 PMTo: Robert Lang ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings?On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? It's like they can read my mind or something. ? Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! ? ? Umm, you just did.... :) ? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Apr 2 15:08:09 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:08:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <256C1A40-5515-47A3-B5B2-8405082AF2D4@dcphotos.com> References: <256C1A40-5515-47A3-B5B2-8405082AF2D4@dcphotos.com> Message-ID: Brad, Summitt has a wide variety of ARP studs. So does Jegs. If you measure out what you need they could be potential sources for them. Paul Ricco > On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:56 AM, don--- via Fot wrote: > > Brad, > Give Ted Schumacher a call. > Pretty sure he even lists the ARP kit on his site http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > He helped me with my ARP choices. > I?m sure he can help with the clutch issue as well. > Don > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sat Apr 4 13:02:51 2020 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage Message-ID: Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based Car Show? https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM ~Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sat Apr 4 13:10:35 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015E23AC-E811-4737-BA64-E9FDEBF775A2@linneyweb.com> Really good Steve. Can?t wait for episode 2. > On Apr 4, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based Car Show? > > https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:03:53 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 16:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yeah, take it out with or without trans, ones as bad as the other I think On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based > Car Show? > > https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Apr 7 10:50:31 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 16:50:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Discs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: DPPI - Mark Craig Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:48 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; mark at dieselperformanceparts.com Subject: Tilton Clutch Discs Morning FOT Membership, I have recently changed all my Spits to a Quaife 4 speed synchromesh transmissions. In doing so I had to change to a 23 spline input shaft clutch disc. So I have one brand new Tilton, 7/8" x 10 spline, 7.25" solid no springs clutch disc I will need to sell off to someone that can use them. Brand new, fit any 7.25" clutch cover, part # 64185-2-F-03. I think they typically sell for 100.00 each plus shipping. How about I pay the shipping and someone here pays me 85.00 for it?? Saves you about 25.00-30.00 or so. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SVRA rearranged some of the events earlier in the schedule but the hope is that things settle down somewhat by the end of June and the Mid-Ohio event will go on as scheduled. I inquired about the possibility of moving the event to 2021 due to the Covid-19 situation and that is just not a possibility as they have already made commitments to other groups for next year for the Mid-Ohio date. SVRA is in the process of making changes for the event to make it more social distant. Registration at the track will be different and there will be no Saturday night party. This will be more of a racing weekend and not so much of a social weekend. They are making changes to adapt as we speak, and I will update you as I can. We will have to adapt as a group also as far as the awards ceremony and hospitality area. So, we have a free race on the schedule so you cannot beat the price. Stay safe, stay well and get those race cars ready. 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URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Apr 9 14:56:09 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I'd like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan ________________________________ Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs - Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven't seen that before on GT6's or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn't work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else's is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn't mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can't really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. 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Name: 1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 6671859 bytes Desc: 1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Apr 10 06:28:54 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 08:28:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> References: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: wow- almost in the ?too nice to drive? category. Looks like a BAT candidate. On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I?d like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs ? Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven?t seen that before on GT6?s or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn?t work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else?s is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn?t mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can?t really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com <1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf>_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Apr 10 06:30:30 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: Yeah, but figured I?d pass it along to a Triumph faithful vs a maybe not one here first!! [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:29 AM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow- almost in the ?too nice to drive? category. Looks like a BAT candidate. On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I?d like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan ________________________________ Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs ? Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven?t seen that before on GT6?s or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn?t work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else?s is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn?t mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can?t really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com <1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf>_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2153 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday. Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house. So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads. I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.? Sigh. But for now, enjoy and stay healthy. mjb. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 08:06:29 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:06:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: <5bc9431c-6f6d-a881-6103-fc7dde262eda@bradakis.com> References: <5bc9431c-6f6d-a881-6103-fc7dde262eda@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially > registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been > managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for > a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from > Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.?? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. > > I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I > have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I > certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net > will die. Sigh. Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting?? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. TeriAnn From billdentin at aol.com Sat Apr 11 08:16:18 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shocker References: <1488428525.4135535.1586614578948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1488428525.4135535.1586614578948@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... My wife gave up sex for Lent, and I didn't find out until this morning. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Sat Apr 11 08:44:00 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143140645.4094148.1586616240944@mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday, Mark!? And thank,you for all of the time you put in and your hard work.Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 10:00 am Subject: [Fot] Birthday April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday. Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house. So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads. I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.? Sigh. But for now, enjoy and stay healthy. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Apr 11 10:19:08 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:19:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday Message-ID: ? A bit more history on team.net. Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. Bob >> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >> >> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. > > Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. > > At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. > >> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. > > Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. > > TeriAnn > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 11 12:14:27 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt Message-ID: <59954DFDD20F475BB5A331BB0A2EC5EF@VlackTK121647> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ?I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode.JVV_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ?I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. 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I had to take it all to a machine shop where they had a BIG hydraulic press to press the bearing off, and then press a new one back on. --Rocky Entriken From: Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:07 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 60833538733__170635DE-43AC-436F-9B31-D1CB800D472A.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vandecarr at aol.com Sat Apr 11 16:33:59 2020 From: vandecarr at aol.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt In-Reply-To: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27B47D97-14F5-47D8-B6CE-58A1025A0A1C@aol.com> Is this the one where they were installing the engine/trans and the shifter was still attached. Often I find myself complaining to my wife when they do stupid things. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was privileged to have both The Wiz and Bill Dentinger (co-owner of the Thunderbolt) as racing friends before they both retired from the sport. Spent many Sebring 12 hr support races with Wiz and Bob Youngdahl. Got to drive the Thunderbolt once, quite the experience. Even gave him some parts ( like a stock head) when he converted to a street car and gave it to his daughter and son-in-law. There is no doubt what so ever that if he had still been around or if they had ask Bill, they would have been directed to some TRiumph experts. But, that wouldnt have gotten the on the telly. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 4:33 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" , "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > Yeah my 1st thought too was too much end float on the mainshaft gears & probably laygear as well. > Needs an upgrade to later steel bushes, tophat, gears, 17 tooth laygear etc... > It's a very cool car though! > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Jerry Van Vlack > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 3:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > You?re right, they need a Triumph expert, and a top hat bushing. It now holds into second better?! > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vandecarr at aol.com Sat Apr 11 16:33:59 2020 From: vandecarr at aol.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt In-Reply-To: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27B47D97-14F5-47D8-B6CE-58A1025A0A1C@aol.com> Is this the one where they were installing the engine/trans and the shifter was still attached. Often I find myself complaining to my wife when they do stupid things. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was privileged to have both The Wiz and Bill Dentinger (co-owner of the Thunderbolt) as racing friends before they both retired from the sport. Spent many Sebring 12 hr support races with Wiz and Bob Youngdahl. Got to drive the Thunderbolt once, quite the experience. Even gave him some parts ( like a stock head) when he converted to a street car and gave it to his daughter and son-in-law. There is no doubt what so ever that if he had still been around or if they had ask Bill, they would have been directed to some TRiumph experts. But, that wouldnt have gotten the on the telly. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 4:33 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" , "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > Yeah my 1st thought too was too much end float on the mainshaft gears & probably laygear as well. > Needs an upgrade to later steel bushes, tophat, gears, 17 tooth laygear etc... > It's a very cool car though! > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Jerry Van Vlack > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 3:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > You?re right, they need a Triumph expert, and a top hat bushing. It now holds into second better?! > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 60833538733__170635DE-43AC-436F-9B31-D1CB800D472A.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Apr 11 17:54:54 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:54:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 Message-ID: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Sat Apr 11 17:55:19 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Amici >> How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from >> the shaft >> >> -- >> *Mike Deweerd* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Bill On 4/11/2020 7:55 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing > doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can > get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position > on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for > reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually > takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around > the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > > wrote: > > Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would > NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. > Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through > his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him > a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot > > wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving > flange from the shaft > > -- > /Mike Deweerd/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch.? And it was a true drag race launch.? But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly.? Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts.? Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. ? VSCDA tried them a couple of times. ?Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, April 11, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 00:54:52 2020 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:54:52 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 In-Reply-To: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9E846796-0B4E-4D82-A7E5-427A50C64BCA@btinternet.com> We do standing starts in the UK and Europe and I have done them since i first started racing in 1980. I have been involved in 2 accidents, at Brands Hath and Spa where a stalled car caused a massive crash, unfortunately I was involved both times and had very large repair bills. As you know I have also raced in the US and Canada and I have to say that rolling starts are way safer and i would love them to come to the UK and Europe. Keith > On 12 Apr 2020, at 02:54, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Agree with Brother Bill! I was on the front row for the first one VSCDA did. I begged them to not do it. To change there mind. They would not budge. I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. > > Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch. And it was a true drag race launch. But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly. Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. > > There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts. Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 > > And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. > > VSCDA tried them a couple of times. Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive? http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Btw... that famous photo the 33 tr was driven by Mr. Bob Oker 1957. Good yr for triumph team > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Agree with Brother Bill! I was on the front row for the first one VSCDA did. I begged them to not do it. To change there mind. They would not budge. I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. > > Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch. And it was a true drag race launch. But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly. Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. > > There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts. Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 > > And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. > > VSCDA tried them a couple of times. Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 07:18:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87A21DAA-A474-4043-A40E-E296BCAA5204@aol.com> Thank you all so much for starting, evolving and maintaining this forum. It is one of the most helpful and friendly groups, whether on-line or in person. It?s about great, fun cars and a greater group of people! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > A bit more history on team.net. > > Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. > > Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. > > Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. > > Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. > > Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. > > Bob > >>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. >> >> Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. >> >> At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. >> >>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. >> >> Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 07:18:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87A21DAA-A474-4043-A40E-E296BCAA5204@aol.com> Thank you all so much for starting, evolving and maintaining this forum. It is one of the most helpful and friendly groups, whether on-line or in person. It?s about great, fun cars and a greater group of people! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > A bit more history on team.net. > > Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. > > Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. > > Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. > > Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. > > Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. > > Bob > >>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. >> >> Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. >> >> At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. >> >>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. >> >> Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 07:42:48 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:42:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars Message-ID: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 08:11:07 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> References: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joe, interesting reading. Charlie Rainville, the guy who built my Spitfire, won his class (GT1.3) in an Alfa (traitor), And some guy named Shelby was DQ'd for illegal fueling. mike h On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:43 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 08:30:16 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:30:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness Message-ID: Not virus related "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 09:05:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. Message-ID: FOT, Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. Thanks to: Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware Ya. I did some stuff, too. Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200412_091752.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 48204 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Apr 12 09:12:28 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:12:28 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101d610dc$c8674930$5935db90$@gmail.com> Very cool! Cheers Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Joe Alexander via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. April 2020 17:05 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. FOT, Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. Thanks to: Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware Ya. I did some stuff, too. Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. From gasket.works at gte.net Sun Apr 12 09:34:42 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars References: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> This is very important information. ?I believe i?am in error. ?The friends of triumph web?site historic photos likely?needs?correction too.? Mr Okers son contacted me some years ago about this. ?And said his dad was driving.....Was there another year where the tr?/?alfa / mercedez were enterd with same car?numbers? ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Sunday, April 12, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 10:38:53 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:38:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> References: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7BDEE009-B206-44F8-9998-F50041B9C17B@gmail.com> I am going to assume the your father in law took the first stint. This a very cool shot. I have not contact Bob Johns, yet, but will if he doesn?t see this. I will look up the results for 1958. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?This is very important information. I believe i am in error. The friends of triumph web site historic photos likely needs correction too. > > Mr Okers son contacted me some years ago about this. And said his dad was driving..... > Was there another year where the tr / alfa / mercedez were enterd with same car numbers? > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:00:38 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:00:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a > consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National > Championship. > > Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. > Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a > couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. > > The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. > > Thanks to: > Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. > Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. > Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. > Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware > > Ya. I did some stuff, too. > > Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:05:34 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:05:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Kas. Brendan will be equal to challenge. I am good yet for a light wind. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Apr 12 11:07:32 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:07:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: References: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com>, Message-ID: << 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? >> Ha! My dad had a Renault Dauphine before I was born. Before he bought his 356. The Dauphine was NOT his favorite car, but it generated some great stories. One day he went "rocketing" away from a stoplight and up an on ramp. He was pulled over by a cop and accused of speeding. He pulled out his pink slip and offered it to the cop, telling him to take the car back to the stoplight and if he could get it up to "speeding" speeds at the top of the on ramp, he could have it. He got off without a ticket. The Dauphine died on top of a rock pile at the end of a farm field in the Kettle Moraine (a hilly, twisty bit of southeastern Wisconsin where the glaciers dumped their load at the end of their run - where Road America is located). Dad had a tendency to drive pretty close to the limit in whatever he was driving there, whether he liked the car or not. The Duaphine slid wide off the road and up onto a rock pile, taking out most of the undercarriage and holing the sump and the fuel tank. He was worried it was maybe not totaled enough, so he flicked his cigarette butt into it and also burned to the ground. Dad was kind of a badass back in the day. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:24:54 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars interesting to look at, a lot of DNFs, and 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:24:54 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars interesting to look at, a lot of DNFs, and 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:08:43 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:08:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B422E23-320A-4165-A55D-0310AEEFEBEB@gmail.com> I used to be able to roll a boat over, land on the centerboard, bring it back up, and never get wet. Now I would just fall in the water and stay there until help comes. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:42:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:42:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, Wow! That looks way different than the day we hauled it out of Doug?s shop... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Krantz ReK Racing > On April 12, 2020 at 3:05 PM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Apr 12 15:18:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:18:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on? Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and calories. Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. OBTW: I supplied the can! Great times. Cheers Bill PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another time. On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Not virus related > "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady > Moss > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Apr 12 15:50:52 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:50:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: These guys can make them too. http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 15:53:11 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2616FC1E-E7C6-4AD1-937F-121963A216DB@aol.com> I?ve had one on order from Moldex since December...... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 15:53:11 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2616FC1E-E7C6-4AD1-937F-121963A216DB@aol.com> I?ve had one on order from Moldex since December...... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 16:27:14 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. Dave H. > On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > These guys can make them too. > > http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 16:36:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. > Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 16:36:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. > Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 18:12:32 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:12:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So it is Riverisde 1958. The Caravan Motel, where all the races stayed. I am waiting to check in the fellow ahead of me is Sterling Moss. He finished up and I introduced myself, he wanted to know what I was racing. I told him a TR-3 and he smiled and then talked to me for twenty minutes about my car and the Triumphs in general & the track and racing and was so kind and truly interested. Then he spoke about his Aston Martin. He took the time was very kind. Grand guy and a terrific racer. Always been my favorite. On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. > > Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. > > At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend > warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and > calories. > > Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme > up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series > sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and > Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like > the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the > stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped > them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great > fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. > > Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. > > OBTW: I supplied the can! > > Great times. > > Cheers Bill > > PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was > second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped > out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We > had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another > time. > On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Not virus related > "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss > > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Apr 12 18:14:28 2020 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vangoughv) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:14:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is a great story! LOL Happy Easter everyone.. Vince > On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. > > Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. > > At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and calories. > > Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. > > Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. > > OBTW: I supplied the can! > > Great times. > > Cheers Bill > > PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another time. > > On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> Not virus related >> "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss >> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 18:46:39 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:46:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I did not know that. But, of course they do. DH Sent from my iPad > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Phil Gott wrote: > > Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. >> Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From outlook_91706A5C9905ADA5 at outlook.com Sun Apr 12 21:59:54 2020 From: outlook_91706A5C9905ADA5 at outlook.com (Robert Johns) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 03:59:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results Message-ID: Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 08:42:06 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bob, I am glad I brought it up. It makes a great story to retell....especially from you. A shining moment in Triumph History. The Kastner Cup is still on......until it?s not. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Robert Johns via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. > AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:15:06 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, Thanks for the corrections. The records should be changed. Too important. What a shining day in the history of Triumphs. It was good to revisit it. But it makes us wonder why the design of the throw out bearing fastener was not changed, instead of following us all the way thru the TR6. We all wonder about the schedule in June. And hope that the right decisions will be made. Provisionally, we will see you and Jean, there. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Robert Johns via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. > AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:23:47 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:23:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel hub In-Reply-To: <107721028.2871797.1586686086652@mail.yahoo.com> References: <107721028.2871797.1586686086652@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thank you everyone it has been identified i will post the one i make because both Moss and Mota-lita are Covid Closed for now. Mike Deweerd On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:08 AM David Gott wrote: > Hi Mike, > > That looks like a Springalex steering wheel boss to me. Try this: > > http://www.springalexltd.com > > Hope that helps! > > Cheers! > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:59 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > Can anyone identify this steering wheel hub ? > It was in my #77 TR4 when I bought it > It has the Triumph sized spline and bolts onto what looks like a TR6 or > spitfire steering wheel > I?d like to find another one for a customer who wants a Styla steering > wheel hub adapted into his TR2 > Thanks in advance > Mike > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a 'bird' under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The 'birds' seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Apr 13 12:04:17 2020 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:04:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68772704ACA34AE2BAD9F5A33FDD2D6B@DESKTOPF2062B6> Much to my surprise, my message did get through. It is not in my sent file. Someone please explain that. Now, a new subject. Sterling's passing and memories of him. In 1955, on one of many trips I took to the "Ring" to see what might be going on between races. As usual, I was walking the track side pit row (across the track from the Hotel) and there was Sterling doing nothing special along the same route. I engaged him in conversation and after a bit, he says, let us go get a coffee at the Hotel caf?. So, we did, and had a very nice conversation. Fond memories. Mordy, sorry about the miss spelling. I know better. In too big of a hurry. R.Johns -----Original Message----- From: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Photos from 1957 Sebring (Bob Johns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:33:55 -0400 From: "Bob Johns" To: Subject: [Fot] Photos from 1957 Sebring Message-ID: <89E50570133544ACA5C8D9E53F2E089E at DESKTOPF2062B6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here are three photos from 57 Sebring. Writeup explaining the confusion was done last night, but got lost sending. Will take time to recompose today. Morty is correct and understands the issue. R. Johns From: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:24 AM To: Robert Johns Subject: 3 items Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: #34 (SRW 991) and others at Sebring.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 86286 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1957 Sebring 1 st. in class trophy prestation.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 135041 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1957 Sebring 019.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 4172684 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 ************************************* From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 12:17:03 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Photos from 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1272479840.5048144.1586801823434@mail.yahoo.com> Mr Johns, I am doing some research for an article featuring you, my friend. I have been working on a list of questions and would love to do a sit-down interview with you. I am hoping that you will be at the Kastner Cup and hope it is not canceled. Let me know if you are game for that. If anything, we could do it over the phone if the Cup is canceled or if you are not attending. We can play that by ear. Thank you sir. Please stay safe. I hope to talk to you soon... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Apr 13 13:28:00 2020 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moving parts References: <11482BDA-EC41-4DCD-AF6D-DCF801FBC6F1.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <11482BDA-EC41-4DCD-AF6D-DCF801FBC6F1@aol.com> Amici, I have a chance to get a non-triumph part and I want to know if someone can get it transported closer to me. I am an hour away from VIR. It?s a crown Victoria front suspension (I have pictures) and it?s in Sainte Genevieve MO, I am in Durham NC. I would ask you to pay for it (I?ll send you the money first), transport it, and I?ll get it where we decide to switch it off. I know with the lockdown it might take a while to transport and such, I am willing to wait. Sincerely, Christopher Bock SeaCubeCo.com 609-319-4322 From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Apr 13 16:30:33 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:30:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: BADGE ID References: <011401d611e2$96d04140$c470c3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Undiscovered Classics > Subject: RE: FYI > Date: April 13, 2020 at 6:26:33 PM EDT > To: "'Tom Householder'" > Reply-To: > > Hi Tom. Thanks for sending my way. Stay healthy out there?. > > Geoff > > > From: Tom Householder > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:07 PM > To: Undiscovered.Classics at gmail.com > Subject: FYI > > > http://britishcarlinks.com > > > > New mystery car! > > > > > From down under comes this very interesting mystery car. If you know what it is the owner can be reached via the link below. "I have just purchased this a Triumph based sports racing car in Australia it is believed to be a early 60s car, the body appears to be to well made to be a one off (but always possible). I am looking for any information people may have, unfortunately the previous owner has passed away and his family know very little about this car any information you or your website may have would be appreciated , I hope to rebuild it and race it in historic racing but to do so I need to establish more information about it to have them accept it. photos can be viewed on the attached link, the car is all there (just disassembled) bar one side of the front suspension. which appears to be standard so it should not be a problem to replace. http://users.tpg.com.au/normv/RACECAR/RACECAR.html . > > Thanks > Norm Vesty" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 Onderwerp: [Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pulled the stub and re-positioned the bearing away from the collar on the axle by about 1/4" to 3/8" (around 6 or 8 mm) and bolted it back up. Leak-free! The bearing moved fairly easily on the shaft. The flange, on the other hand - I have had them on a press and used 30 tons of force and the stub and flange did not separate. Note that when you use a press, do not use a universal collar to support the flange or you will bend the flange. Regarding whether there's a"fix" for the bearing walking on the shaft, the answer is: there's a collar machined on the differential side of the stub axle that keeps the axle stub from pulling out and if forces try to push the stub towards the differential eventually the bearing bottoms on the output flange. But that stub position can move around a bit. Good luck! Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 6:21:27 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lewis Hamilton has to chase his seventh F1 title, Stirling Moss could afford to get none. Marcel ________________________________ Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 Onderwerp: [Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! 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I'm talking about an TR4a IRS : maybe all IRS diff's are not the same : on a TR4A that collar is pressed upon the half shaft not machined and the bearing is on the diff side of the collar. Marcel Van: "Robert Lang" Aan: "fot" , "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 14:02:59 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi, It's funny how some things seem to happen coincidentally - I had a customer car in the shop this week with a leaky stub axle. I had a re-conditioned stub axle on the shelf and bolted it in. The seal was clearly not riding on the axle seal surface. I took a test spin and "leak city". Pulled the stub and re-positioned the bearing away from the collar on the axle by about 1/4" to 3/8" (around 6 or 8 mm) and bolted it back up. Leak-free! The bearing moved fairly easily on the shaft. The flange, on the other hand - I have had them on a press and used 30 tons of force and the stub and flange did not separate. Note that when you use a press, do not use a universal collar to support the flange or you will bend the flange. Regarding whether there's a"fix" for the bearing walking on the shaft, the answer is: there's a collar machined on the differential side of the stub axle that keeps the axle stub from pulling out and if forces try to push the stub towards the differential eventually the bearing bottoms on the output flange. But that stub position can move around a bit. Good luck! Regards, Bob Lang On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 6:21:27 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed. I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glen. -----Original Message----- To: fubog1 Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi Glen,that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now!Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: ?TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed.I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed.Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lorne From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 14 08:57:22 2020 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (tr4 at wi.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:57:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1154185234.340219695.1586848721752.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <629279658.341031746.1586857736001.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1389499639.128114.1586865366758@mail.yahoo.com> <2123421976.341757734.1586868021388.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> Guys, I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster can happen. There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. Steve Yott From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare job due to a stuck flange... Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... Glen. -----Original Message----- To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi Glen, that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now! Marcel _____ Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed. I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing _____ Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Chip Collingwood" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot > wrote: Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 09:08:32 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> References: <1154185234.340219695.1586848721752.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <629279658.341031746.1586857736001.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1389499639.128114.1586865366758@mail.yahoo.com> <2123421976.341757734.1586868021388.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <909336416.199189.1586876912999@mail.yahoo.com> Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience.A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever they're disassembled.Glen -----Original Message----- To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing #yiv1772110011 #yiv1772110011 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv1772110011 #yiv1772110011 p.yiv1772110011MsoNormal, #yiv1772110011 li.yiv1772110011MsoNormal, #yiv1772110011 div.yiv1772110011MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1772110011 a:link, #yiv1772110011 span.yiv1772110011MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1772110011 .yiv1772110011MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv1772110011 div.yiv1772110011WordSection1 {}#yiv1772110011 Guys,I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press and good fitting press plates.? Please do not heat these up and quench or anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs.? I have come across many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway slot and evidence of severe heating.? You are playing with disaster if these should completely fail under a load.? And as stated if the small step on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster can happen. ?There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?..? I have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. ?Steve Yott ?From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing ?Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare job due to a stuck flange...Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged.They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't.If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy...Glen. ? ?-----Original Message----- To: fubog1 Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearingHi Glen,that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now!Marcel ?Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: ?TR6 inner shaft bearing ?There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed.I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed.GlenNote... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure ?-----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing ? ?Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing ?I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing ?the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. ?On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA ?On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? ?-- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In all cases I had to resort to a 50 ton or 100,000lb press using a large bearing splitter against the axle flange. I keep a trash can under the press to collect the ejected parts as the trash is a good cushion. When the parts separate there is usually an explosive bang when it comes apart. I did these on an OTC 50 ton press. I plan on trying this out again now on my vintage (say old) Carolina 50 ton press. The first one of these I did back in the mid 90's I brought it into our Development Shop (big 3 engineering) and we tried to separate one. The flame wrench didn't help and despite the press being modern and the hydraulics pumped to the ram it wasn't enough to separate it. It wasn't close to a 50 ton press. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:08 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less > as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience. > A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever > they're disassembled. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Guys, > I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you > that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press > and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or > anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across > many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway > slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if > these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step > on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster > can happen. > > There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I > have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. > > Steve Yott > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM > *To:* van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare > job due to a stuck flange... > Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there > isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little > loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in > those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. > They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. > If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench > will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... > Glen. > > > -----Original Message----- > To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > Hi Glen, > that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have > been replaced in that way by now! > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the > bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been > removed. > I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to > change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. > Glen > Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Chip Collingwood" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by > as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. > Is that common? Is there a simple fix? > Marcel > *Aan: *"Jay Galbreath" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't > take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart > for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the > shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a > 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 > tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont > think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: > > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hesitate to mention my experiences because I'm sure there are some risks involved but they work for me and I have no failures. I have access to a 40 ton press at work but I have only needed it twice. On the stub axles hubs I have had good luck with a huge three leg puller. I loosen the nut to protect the threads, set up the puller under tension and give it a heavy smack on the end with a 2 lb sledge. If I'm lucky I hear a loud bang and the puller falls to the bench. If that doesn't work I take it to my Harbor Freight 10 ton press and leave it under tension while I tap the sides a bit. They have popped there too. If not, I reinstall the stub axle in the diff and try another smack. That usually does the trick. I have resorted to to a few back and forth trips to the press but I always win. I should probably pick an old busted up diff to use as a "tool" for this but I've been doing this as a part of the disassembly. For the IRS hubs I have one of the hub pullers that a list member made a run of years ago. I don't always win. I have ruined at least one vise, snapped the head on a 1/2" breaker bar and twisted the nut head off the puller screw in trying to separate the hubs. I resort to laying them out on the floor with appropriate bar levers before packing them off to the press at work. I have bent just one flange and that was before I bought the puller. I bought a cheap large at HF to adjust the hubs. It took a long time to grind it down to be narrow enough to fit but it works. Bob Kramer On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less > as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience. > A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever > they're disassembled. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Guys, > I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you > that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press > and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or > anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across > many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway > slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if > these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step > on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster > can happen. > > There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I > have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. > > Steve Yott > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM > *To:* van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare > job due to a stuck flange... > Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there > isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little > loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in > those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. > They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. > If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench > will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... > Glen. > > > -----Original Message----- > To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > Hi Glen, > that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have > been replaced in that way by now! > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the > bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been > removed. > I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to > change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. > Glen > Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Chip Collingwood" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by > as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. > Is that common? Is there a simple fix? > Marcel > *Aan: *"Jay Galbreath" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't > take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart > for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the > shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a > 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 > tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont > think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: > > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The crash > at Goodwood almost did kill Sir Moss ... > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Stirling Moss : 4 times F1 runner up but no F1 championship title, yet he > is recognised as a true all times great. Lewis Hamilton has to chase his > seventh F1 title, Stirling Moss could afford to get none. > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway > > The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am > series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust > International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles > (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch > practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim > Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce > and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding > Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car > and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. > > > > While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I > turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is > explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year > old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph > but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. > The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. > What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! > > > > Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Apr 15 04:17:57 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 06:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs Message-ID: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable races... https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? Take a look at what race was ranked #1... Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Apr 15 08:15:19 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs In-Reply-To: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> References: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <267F7666AE4944E881A565C9F00E14C7@VlackTK121647> Just watched it again and I was as excited as watching it the first time. Wow 11 years ago, time fly's. Just fun. JVV -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 6:17 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable races... https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? Take a look at what race was ranked #1... Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 11:52:35 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Message-ID: Listerati Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. Thanks Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 12:11:30 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:11:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Redline References: <20E95360-56E0-407F-91F6-49A7C10CA73F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> Sent from my Commodore 64 Begin forwarded message: > From: Bud > Date: April 15, 2020 at 11:29:41 AM MDT > To: Bud > Subject: Redline > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1479.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 88230 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 12:22:30 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bud, I got this from my tranny and diff guy, John Esposito at Quantum Mechanics. Not a direct answer to your question but it does reference Redline diff oils "For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says GL5). For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 spec synthetic oils." mike h On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:54 PM Bud Rolofson via Fot wrote: > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal > in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it > "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic > make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of > water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are > "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the > shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff > with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 12:40:01 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Car Quest EP 90 GL-4 can be purchased at Advance Auto Parts. I think it is special order but some may even carry it on the shelf. I like the GL4 in my Detroit Locker because I can drain and refill it often. I can do that with synthetics too, at a much higher price. The same reason I use Valvoline VR-1 non synthetic oil. CARQUEST Grease and Lube EP 90 GL-4 Gear Oil, 1 Gallon No Reviews 30 DAY REPLACEMENT IF DEFECTIVE Part # 990-01 Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:22 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Bud, I got this from my tranny and diff guy, John Esposito at Quantum > Mechanics. Not a direct answer to your question but it does reference > Redline diff oils > > "For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 > spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says > GL5). > > For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 > spec synthetic oils." > > mike h > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:54 PM Bud Rolofson via Fot > wrote: > >> Listerati >> Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal >> in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it >> "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic >> make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? >> I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of >> water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are >> "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the >> shelf. >> Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff >> with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. >> >> Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. >> Thanks >> Bud >> >> Sent from my Commodore 64 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don at dcphotos.com Wed Apr 15 12:53:48 2020 From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:53:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> Bud, Pretty sure, at least with the Spit/GT6 diffs, once you weld them you no longer have any yellow bits to worry about. Don > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 > From: Bud Rolofson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 123 > ************************************* From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 15 14:39:45 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 22:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> References: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> Message-ID: <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproof-gear-oil In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but surely GL4 does contain sulfur. Again in general, synthetic gear oil is much better : the differential will run at a lower temperature because of the lower friction of the synthetic oils, compared to the mineral oils. I surely would not be afraid to use the Redline oil gear oils in differentials and dogboxes. There is some confusion about synthetic gear oil and synchro rings : because of the low friction, the synchrorings would not grip enough upon the sliding surfaces of the gearbox hubs, preventing the synchronising, but eating the rings? I don't think so. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 15 april 2020 20:53:48 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Bud, Pretty sure, at least with the Spit/GT6 diffs, once you weld them you no longer have any yellow bits to worry about. Don > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 > From: Bud Rolofson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 123 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 15 15:07:38 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:07:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. According to the white paper at https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half and can also contribute to rust problems." I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). -- Randall ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > > https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo f-gear-oil > In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > surely GL4 does contain sulfur. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:18:41 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:18:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Redline In-Reply-To: <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> References: <20E95360-56E0-407F-91F6-49A7C10CA73F@comcast.net> <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Bud, I've been using Redline MT-90 Synthetic GL-4 in the Spitfire Gearbox and Diff without trouble. https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil I Emailed Redline regarding the proper fluid for my Detroit Locker Diff and they suggested Lightweight Shockproof. The MT in MT-90 stands for 'Manual Transmission'. Lightweight Shockproof is made for differentials: https://www.redlineoil.com/lightweight-shockproof Hope this helps. Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:11 AM Bud Rolofson via Fot wrote: > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Bud > *Date:* April 15, 2020 at 11:29:41 AM MDT > *To:* Bud > *Subject:* *Redline * > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:28:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that > they do > > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > > > According to the white paper at > > > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the > other > > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear > axles. > > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a > WAG). > > > > -- Randall > > > > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > >> > >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > > f-gear-oil > >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Apr 15 15:47:50 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:47:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> Ok, mine are all welded anyway. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do >> > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. >> > >> > According to the white paper at >> > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf >> > >> > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils >> > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers >> > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at >> > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive >> > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A >> > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half >> > and can also contribute to rust problems." >> > >> > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other >> > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" >> > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. >> > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid >> > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). >> > >> > -- Randall >> > >> > >> > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo >> > f-gear-oil >> >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 15 15:52:40 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:52:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> References: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> Message-ID: <7eaddf6c56404ba48ed83ad4dc5fb828@dieselperformanceparts.com> I don?t know much except what I get told by folks much more experienced than me, but I was told by some folks that have been running Spits longer than forever that if you?re running a stock tranny use straight 90 weight as it helps the syncros catch up better. As far as the diffs anytime I use synthetic anything they leak like an MG. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:48 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Ok, mine are all welded anyway. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Bob Kramer > wrote: ? Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot > wrote: > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > According to the white paper at > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 22:30:00 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs In-Reply-To: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> References: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <428305806.1532465.1587011400391@connect.xfinity.com> I just watched a few races. It was so exciting to watch Sam's championship race. What a race! I'm still grinning. Awesome. Dave H. > On April 15, 2020 at 3:17 AM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject > "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want > to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and > total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with > shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable > races... > > https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? > > Take a look at what race was ranked #1... > > Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 15:17:15 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - There's the spherical washers as Bob refers to, but there may also be yellow-metal for the thrust washers for the side gears. Later cars like the TR6 got fiber thrust washers, but some of us install the bronze ones used in the TR3/4. Can't speak to Spitfires, though. If you have a locker, use the cheap stuff and change the diff oil often! And when you change the oil, examine it closely. That way you stay ahead of any "issues". Technically, the proper oils will say "yellow-metal safe" but not all that are safe do say so. CRC StaLube is special order at the local NAPA. Perfect for street cars. l8R,Bob Lang On Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 5:31:22 PM EDT, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff.? ?The Detroit?Locket?has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > According to the white paper at > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 06:33:27 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:33:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "Bob's" are in total agreement other than to mention that the quarts sized StaLube from Napa ends up being quite a bit more expensive than the CarQuest EP90, which comes in gallons. I recycle a lot of it so cost matters. OTOH, I refill a old Stalube quart bottle from my gallon of CarQuest EP90 to use with my hand pump. It's getting old and I should upgrade before the bottom falls out. Bob Kramer On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:17 PM Robert Lang wrote: > Hi - There's the spherical washers as Bob refers to, but there may also be > yellow-metal for the thrust washers for the side gears. Later cars like the > TR6 got fiber thrust washers, but some of us install the bronze ones used > in the TR3/4. > > Can't speak to Spitfires, though. > > If you have a locker, use the cheap stuff and change the diff oil often! > And when you change the oil, examine it closely. That way you stay ahead of > any "issues". > > Technically, the proper oils will say "yellow-metal safe" but not all that > are safe do say so. > > CRC StaLube is special order at the local NAPA. Perfect for street cars. > > l8R, > Bob Lang > > On Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 5:31:22 PM EDT, Bob Kramer via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock > diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that > they do > > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > > > According to the white paper at > > > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the > other > > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear > axles. > > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a > WAG). > > > > -- Randall > > > > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > >> > >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > > f-gear-oil > >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Apr 17 06:55:13 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives Message-ID: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Folks, I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 07:14:49 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives In-Reply-To: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> References: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Ive got the same setup on my TR6. I ended up making minor adjustments to the rod from the brake booster to reduce the free travel, but with caution since an overextension will result in locked brakes. Check this link out where they found a Wilwood master cylinder to their TR6 http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/wilwood_master_cylinder.htm On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:55 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. > Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder > conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels > before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the > increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. > > My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger > rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a > bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 10:26:35 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives In-Reply-To: References: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <20EB4FC7-6E2A-4F41-932A-12CE508DC5DB@comcast.net> I did the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion on my TR6 long ago and over the years have developed what I call the ?Triumph Tap? method of braking. I give a little tap on the brake pedal before fully apply the brakes, which gave me a less travel on the pedal. It got to be such a habit that I had to learn to stop doing it when driving the race car because it?s a detriment when heel/toe braking. Most of the pedal travel seemed to be in ?waking up? the caliper pistons as they tended to spread a bit from some flex in the whole wheel/caliper/rotor system. It was more apparent when auto crossing as that system got flexed a lot more than normal driving. I got used to it and never bothered with a larger brake MC. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > On Apr 17, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > I looked into this a while back, did the conversion, never liked the extra pedal travel, I think maybe there is a 70s or 89s Jag MC with a slightly larger bore that works. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 7:55 AM Jerry Van Vlack > wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. > > My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? > > JVV > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn at gmail.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Fri Apr 17 19:39:01 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Fri Apr 17 19:39:01 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Fri Apr 17 19:43:52 2020 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? Dave From: Rick McCurdy Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM To: David Kettler Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot > wrote: ? Listers, There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. Another option. Dave Kettler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 18 07:11:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:11:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> References: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> Message-ID: I?ve tried it. My main challenge with barrier cream is that I forget to put it on until after my hands get dirty!!! Duh! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:44 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? > > Dave > > From: Rick McCurdy > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM > To: David Kettler > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream > > I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > > > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 18 07:11:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:11:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> References: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> Message-ID: I?ve tried it. My main challenge with barrier cream is that I forget to put it on until after my hands get dirty!!! Duh! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:44 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? > > Dave > > From: Rick McCurdy > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM > To: David Kettler > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream > > I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > > > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. 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Thanks again! Claude? On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 10:10:13 a.m. EDT, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Boy, if I lived closer I'd be knocking on your door ASAP.? I've always admired the look of these wheels. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lotusgagne at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 09:32:55 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs Message-ID: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 18 10:47:46 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:47:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Hi Dave, these shims need to be hardened steel. On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Sat Apr 18 11:31:17 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:31:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aaron, I?ll take them I love those. Don?t know if I will ever find a 4th to make a set but I want them. If you can box them up and tell me the dimensions and weights I can send you either UPS or Fed-Ex pre-paid shipping labels on Monday or whenever it works for you. I think you can just put address labels on the and clear tape the crap out of it and ship them as it without boxes, but I am not sure. I?ll ask my Fed-Ex rep. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:02 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims 3 revolution rims. Free to a good home. Available in western New York maybe around Columbus Ohio or you can pay to have them shipped. 2 are 13x5.5 and 1 13x6 I?ll have to measure the backspace but the price is right. 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Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2784 bytes Desc: image005.jpg URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 18 12:14:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:14:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Titanium is not a good material for friction. That?s why titanium rods never have contact to cranks. Cheers Chris Von: Brian Schirano Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 20:05 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] valve shims and springs I think I got hardened or titanium cup type setup from either Richard Goode or Kai at Wishbone Classics Brian On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Dave, these shims need to be hardened steel. On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 13:10:21 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes. I'm sure that is what's happened here. The shims are too soft. The golden shims are hardened and probably grade8 with no stampings or identification. Golden color same as grade 8 hardware. The other shims are stamped, valve spring shim and Houser, Blufton, Ind. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 18, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Titanium is not a good material for friction. > That?s why titanium rods never have contact to cranks. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Brian Schirano > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 20:05 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Betreff: Re: [Fot] valve shims and springs > > I think I got hardened or titanium cup type setup from either Richard Goode or Kai at Wishbone Classics > > Brian > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Dave, > > these shims need to be hardened steel. > On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. > On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. > > > The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. > > Cheers > Chris > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs > > Hello Friends, > I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. > The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. > One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. > Can someone enlighten me on this? > In the garage on lockdown, > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Apr 18 13:36:55 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've always stayed with GL4 (usually StayLube from the local Napa), but have wondered how much faster GL5 eats yellow metal. I've heard folklore (which I'm always leery of), but never seen any "real" data. Would it take a year or 100 years to show any significant damage? ?- Larry Young From brakey6666 at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 13:54:25 2020 From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens teeth. Glenn On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:31 PM DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > * I?ll take them I love those. Don?t know if I will ever find a 4th to > make a set but I want them. If you can box them up and tell me the > dimensions and weights I can send you either UPS or Fed-Ex pre-paid > shipping labels on Monday or whenever it works for you. I think you can > just put address labels on the and clear tape the crap out of it and ship > them as it without boxes, but I am not sure. I?ll ask my Fed-Ex rep. > [image: http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] > Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, > Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] > Phone: > 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > From: Fot > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf > Of Aaron Johnson via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:02 AM To: > Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims 3 > revolution rims. Free to a good home. Available in western New York maybe > around Columbus Ohio or you can pay to have them shipped. 2 are 13x5.5 and > 1 13x6 I?ll have to measure the backspace but the price is right. I don?t > want to throw them away Aaron * > > > > > > > > > > > * _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2784 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Apr 18 13:58:24 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56fc75c1-b3b9-4853-6ecb-9fd5f28f0235@pobox.com> I'd be concerned about possible undesirable dynamics going on. I'm sure most of you have seen this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REQ1PUM0rY&t=96s. They always talk like springs are the only thing that matters. I think stiffness, weight and the lobe design have something to do with it too. ?- Larry On 4/18/2020 2:10 PM, Dave via Fot wrote: > Yes. I'm sure that is what's happened here. ?The shims are too soft. > ?The golden shims are hardened and probably grade8 with no stampings > or identification. Golden color same as grade 8 hardware. The other > shims are stamped, valve spring shim and Houser, Blufton, Ind. > Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 18 14:07:52 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:07:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> On 4/18/20 1:54 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those > wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. > Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens > teeth. Back in the day I came across a place in Los Angeles called Mr. Lugnut, I think.? I bought a box of 100 of these nuts with 3/8-24 threads.? Silly me, it should have been 1,000.? Or 16,000.? I offered sets of 16 on various Team Net lists for a reasonable price, they were gone in a few days.? I mean, 100 divided by 16 is not a lot.? Of course I am no marketing genius,? so no surprise that The Fat Chance Garage failed as a commercial enterprise, but it was fun while it lasted. mjb. From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Apr 18 14:18:18 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1998770936.362713044.1587241098400.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hi Larry, Precisely. In a racecar differential, there happens always something else before GL5 oil would have the opportunity to do any damage to the "yellow" parts. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "Robert Lang" , "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 18 april 2020 21:36:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic I've always stayed with GL4 (usually StayLube from the local Napa), but have wondered how much faster GL5 eats yellow metal. I've heard folklore (which I'm always leery of), but never seen any "real" data. Would it take a year or 100 years to show any significant damage? ?- Larry Young _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Apr 18 14:25:52 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:25:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> References: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0bf4cbd0-43f8-7cbb-c31e-1838b8a4b890@verizon.net> Hi I have a Fat Chance mountain bike; best bike in the country in the 80's and 90's. Bought it in '89 after I sold my Wicked Fat Chance to a friend of mine. Should have kept it! Even talked to Chris Chance the builder before I bought it. My Fat is still fun after 30 years. Stay safe everyone; this too will pass. Cheers Bill On 4/18/2020 4:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > On 4/18/20 1:54 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: >> I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those >> wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. >> Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens >> teeth. > > > Back in the day I came across a place in Los Angeles called Mr. > Lugnut, I think.? I bought a box of 100 of these nuts with 3/8-24 > threads.? Silly me, it should have been 1,000.? Or 16,000.? I offered > sets of 16 on various Team Net lists for a reasonable price, they were > gone in a few days.? I mean, 100 divided by 16 is not a lot.? Of > course I am no marketing genius,? so no surprise that The Fat Chance > Garage failed as a commercial enterprise, but it was fun while it lasted. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 18 14:43:40 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:43:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> References: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9b2824b4-0586-5358-8ab2-d8e049a9b3b6@bradakis.com> Memory Lane ... mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 17:10:25 2020 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets Message-ID: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! Jon Wright -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the photo from left to right, Stock TR3-4, factory competition from my current engine and mystery parts on the right. The mystery spring retainer/collar is aluminum, but slightly smaller in diameter than the stock unit, 1.25" to 1.305", but looks almost identical to stock in shape and design. I'd appreciate confirmation if someone is familiar with this spring set and their aluminum retainers/collars. I also have a set of steel retainers that are exactly the size of these aluminum units that were together in the set. Perhaps they are Spitfire parts. Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He may have a set of fabricated brackets. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 18 17:56:14 2020 From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets In-Reply-To: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> References: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> Same situation I am in. But you can actually use the Mk3 brackets by extending them using a long bolt with a bushing around the end the size of the Mk1 pocket. Joe > On April 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! > Jon Wright > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 18:23:15 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:23:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I correct myself, hardened spring seat, but titanium keepers https://www.goodparts.com/product/valve-spring-seat-1-125-x-585-x-040/ On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Dave, > > > > these shims need to be hardened steel. > > On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring > rotation. > > On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was > squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. > > The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *DAVE HOGYE via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 > *An:* Friends of Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] valve shims and springs > > > > Hello Friends, > > I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events > and about 5500 miles since it's completion. > > The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and > rods. > > One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were > disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow > and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn > from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as > installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. > It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the > heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. > > Can someone enlighten me on this? > > In the garage on lockdown, > > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 18:27:15 2020 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:27:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets In-Reply-To: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> References: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks Joe, the long bolt was my plan in the mean time. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:56 PM, JOE CURRY wrote: > > ? Same situation I am in. But you can actually use the Mk3 brackets by extending them using a long bolt with a bushing around the end the size of the Mk1 pocket. > > Joe > > On April 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > > > > I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! > > Jon Wright > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 19 04:33:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice. See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 19 04:33:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice. See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From lotusgagne at rogers.com Sun Apr 19 08:35:41 2020 From: lotusgagne at rogers.com (CLAUDE GAGNE) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <133003949.2025977.1587306941664@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Aaron. As I mentioned, I have a fourth Revolution wheel to complete the set, so if your three are still available, please get in touch with me at lotusgagne at rogers.com for shipping to upstate NY. Thanks! Claude On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 06:33:51 a.m. EDT, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice.? See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lotusgagne at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bownes at web9.com Sun Apr 19 19:34:33 2020 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits available In-Reply-To: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> References: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Speaking of which, I have a pristine 1500 trunk lid if anyone would like it.Located in Troy, N.Y. 12182 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:31 AM bfloyd6677 via Fot wrote: > In a few short years of racing Spitfires I have amassed a sizable > collection of stuff. > > Listed is just what I excavated from bins on shelves this morning. > > Located in Western Pa. Photos available upon request. > > Lightweight Quartermaster 1500 flywheel for 5.5" mocked up never ran > $100.00 obo > > Stock brake pedal modified with tilton balance bar Make offer > > Race spares 3 rail 3 synchro trans nice with shift tower etc. Make offer > > 3 rail shift towers used x7 make offer > > Tail shaft housings no cracks or broken ears x6 make offer > > Medium box of new and used small & large synchro rings M.O. > > Need something I might have it. > > T.I.A. > > Bryan Floyd > 513 405 5425 > > > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rek46 at aol.com Mon Apr 20 07:22:38 2020 From: rek46 at aol.com (Rick Kristoff) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits available In-Reply-To: References: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1062618448.3382076.1587388958451@mail.yahoo.com> I also have Spit bits leftover...Mark!!!....plus about 30 lbs of manuals......ask! In a message dated 4/19/2020 10:08:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot at autox.team.net writes: Speaking of which, I have a pristine 1500 trunk lid if anyone would like it.Located in Troy, N.Y. 12182 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:31 AM bfloyd6677 via Fot wrote: In a few short years of racing Spitfires I have amassed a sizable collection of stuff. Listed is just what I excavated from bins on shelves this morning. Located in Western Pa. Photos available upon request. Lightweight Quartermaster 1500 flywheel for 5.5" mocked up never ran $100.00 obo Stock brake pedal modified with tilton balance bar Make offer Race spares 3 rail 3 synchro trans nice with shift tower etc. Make offer 3 rail shift towers used x7 make offer Tail shaft housings no cracks or broken ears x6 make offer Medium box of new and used small & large synchro rings M.O. Need something I might have it. T.I.A. 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If you're like I, the days run together, so this is a reminder that the deadline is only 9 days away. > > So get online; order early and order often > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 12:33:18 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] How to order shirts Message-ID: Great! I've been asked again how to order shirts. The link to the spreadsheet is: order shirts here . Just enter your info there. Payment will only be made after the deadline has closed. Joe says the event is still on (YAY) so let's get those shirts on order, we're well short of the hoped-for threshold. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 13:05:55 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:05:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] How to order shirts. And Thank you to those involved. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <729CE656-21AC-46C7-9CB7-5B85AFEB9E49@gmail.com> Thank you to: Marty Sukey. Chair & Shirt Coordination Clark Lincoln. Superb Shirt Artwork Ted Schumacher. Production of Quality Shirts J. C. Hassall. Kastner Cup Distribution...it just doesn?t happen without Jim. It?s going to be a brilliant shirt. And it may be the last of its kind. (It?s very hard to predict the future). The Kastner Cup Poster, again the artwork is by Clark Lincoln will be a Driver Premium and available to all FOT. There?s an enormous amount of Kas? History embedded in this poster. Kas is very pleased with the content. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:40 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great! I've been asked again how to order shirts. The link to the spreadsheet is: order shirts here. Just enter your info there. Payment will only be made after the deadline has closed. Joe says the event is still on (YAY) so let's get those shirts on order, we're well short of the hoped-for threshold. > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-)J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 19:08:34 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 22 03:07:59 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Nick Black" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. How is the clutch pedal feel? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Apr 22 03:42:55 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 03:42:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Archive search progress Message-ID: I'd recently found out that there was a problem with the archive [ http://autox.team.net/archive ] search function.? Searching for something would not look at any mail added to the archives since 2012 or so. I'm making some progress on the problem, for example if you do a search for 'Kastner Cup 2020' you actually get results showing messages from 2020.? Still some issues with the automatic updates, but it takes some time to go through some of the archaic code, track down and rewrite bits that are no longer supported in current versions of PERL. Hope you are all managing as best you can to stay healthy and happy these days. mjb. From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 03:58:47 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Nick, The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. ?Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? ?Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole?? How is the surface of the flywheel? ?I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. ?Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? ?Did you scuff it down a bit? ?? Here?s the long shot. ?What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust?bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. That?s all I got! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Nick Black" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line?It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden.How is the clutch pedal feel??Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 04:50:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560CAF6B-E4D3-49EE-8A12-A01B84108791@aol.com> Nick; Has changing all those parts made a difference? Or are you asking before putting it all back together to make sure you?ve covered all the bases? Normally a grabby clutch is due to the friction surface (interface between the disc and pressure plate/flywheel) and lack of compliance in the clutch disc itself. In your case I would look for a crack in the pressure plate and the flywheel friction surface. You might want to have a cut taken off the flywheel surface to be sure there are no irregularities or build up of glaze. You?ve already done this on one side with a new pressure plate. I would not stop the throwout bearing sleeve from spinning. It should have no effect on this problem one way or the other. Being brass, if constrained it will wear in one spot where the fork interfaces with it. Might be doing that anyways. Good luck! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:59 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi Nick, > > The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole? > > How is the surface of the flywheel? I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? Did you scuff it down a bit? > > Here?s the long shot. What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. > > That?s all I got! > > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Nick Black" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? > It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. > How is the clutch pedal feel? > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 04:50:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560CAF6B-E4D3-49EE-8A12-A01B84108791@aol.com> Nick; Has changing all those parts made a difference? Or are you asking before putting it all back together to make sure you?ve covered all the bases? Normally a grabby clutch is due to the friction surface (interface between the disc and pressure plate/flywheel) and lack of compliance in the clutch disc itself. In your case I would look for a crack in the pressure plate and the flywheel friction surface. You might want to have a cut taken off the flywheel surface to be sure there are no irregularities or build up of glaze. You?ve already done this on one side with a new pressure plate. I would not stop the throwout bearing sleeve from spinning. It should have no effect on this problem one way or the other. Being brass, if constrained it will wear in one spot where the fork interfaces with it. Might be doing that anyways. Good luck! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:59 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi Nick, > > The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole? > > How is the surface of the flywheel? I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? Did you scuff it down a bit? > > Here?s the long shot. What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. > > That?s all I got! > > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Nick Black" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? > It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. > How is the clutch pedal feel? > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 06:36:45 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, just wondering if the problem could be downstream from the clutch. Could something be resisting turning until there's full engagement? Jack up the car and move all the drive line components by hand, see if everything is smooth, no binding. I was sure I had a clutch problem until the broken tooth in the diff finally made itself abundantly clear, just before the rest of the drive train sheared off at speed. mike h On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 9:11 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). > It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage > to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the > locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the > clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing > sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, > bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave > cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without > any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on > the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the > sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 08:24:35 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks? for all the ideas about this... Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored?full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole.The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! lack-o-slip here in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 09:17:09 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update In-Reply-To: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17687C19-39D8-4C1E-BDA0-8D28647EBBF2@aol.com> Nick; With an aluminum flywheel the problem could be with the steel friction surface. Are all the machine screws tight? Does the disc interfere with the aluminum around the periphery? Check for cracks. Take it off and use the magma flux penetrant crack test or even better have a shop do it on the steel surface. Even though the surface of the insert looks ok, it could have a glaze on it that grabs the disc. I?ve seen the on disc brakes. The brakes will begin to judder - alternating slip grip - yet the discs would look fine. Taking sandpaper to the discs will remove any material build up and the judder goes away. Best way to do this on the flywheel is to have a machine shop take a fine cut - or replace the insert. If it is a very old Tilton like mine, the insert is available from AASCO Motorsports in Anaheim CA. 714 758 8500. Hope this helps! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks for all the ideas about this... > > Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. > > Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. > > Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. > > David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole. > The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. > > Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. > > Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. > > The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. > > I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! > > lack-o-slip here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 09:17:09 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update In-Reply-To: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17687C19-39D8-4C1E-BDA0-8D28647EBBF2@aol.com> Nick; With an aluminum flywheel the problem could be with the steel friction surface. Are all the machine screws tight? Does the disc interfere with the aluminum around the periphery? Check for cracks. Take it off and use the magma flux penetrant crack test or even better have a shop do it on the steel surface. Even though the surface of the insert looks ok, it could have a glaze on it that grabs the disc. I?ve seen the on disc brakes. The brakes will begin to judder - alternating slip grip - yet the discs would look fine. Taking sandpaper to the discs will remove any material build up and the judder goes away. Best way to do this on the flywheel is to have a machine shop take a fine cut - or replace the insert. If it is a very old Tilton like mine, the insert is available from AASCO Motorsports in Anaheim CA. 714 758 8500. Hope this helps! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks for all the ideas about this... > > Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. > > Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. > > Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. > > David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole. > The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. > > Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. > > Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. > > The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. > > I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! > > lack-o-slip here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 22 10:55:58 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it?It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 11:18:46 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 17:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> Nick, My other suggestion would have been to try a smaller master cylinder. ?I have a similar setup with Tilton dual discs and went to a larger .75 master, because my pedal movement was too far! ? But you?ve already tried that one! Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:57 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it?It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 22 12:29:00 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1476040127.380522137.1587580140546.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I would put my money on the suggestion of Phil Gott about the crankshaft thrust washers : if one of these thrust washer has fallen out, the crankshaft can move for- and afterwards : this can easily be checked by moving the crankshaft pulley with large screwdrivers: when the thrust washer has fallen out, the pulley(and the crankshaft with it) can be moved by one or 2 mm. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 19:18:46 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Nick, My other suggestion would have been to try a smaller master cylinder. I have a similar setup with Tilton dual discs and went to a larger .75 master, because my pedal movement was too far! But you?ve already tried that one! Dave [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:57 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it? It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com ] BQ_BEGIN BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 22 12:41:01 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:41:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01d618d5$92ed3c50$b8c7b4f0$@gmail.com> Hmmm?..mechanical noise? Two things come to my mind: 1. A flywheel bolt is touching the clutch plate? 2. Too much leash in the drive train? Gearbox, prop shaft, diff? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von fubog1 via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. April 2020 18:56 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it? It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 18:38:45 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe References: <630262368.67900.1587602325416.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh).The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft?? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCalNick PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know.Thanks for thinking about this -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 19:37:32 2020 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> References: <630262368.67900.1587602325416.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). > The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. > > As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" > > Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! > > The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. > > Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. > > > I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal > Nick > > PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. > Thanks for thinking about this > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 04:53:39 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> References: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: This brings to mind a lesson learned the hard way. Diaphragm pressure plates need to be mated with the correct configuration throwout bearing. The fingers on the plate want to roll on the throwout bearing. If the fingers are straight, the bearing needs to have a curved surface. If the fingers are curved, then a flat faced throwout bearing will work. If a flat faced bearing is used with flat fingers, there could be a very sudden movement and engagement as the fingers transition across the face of the bearing from the inside to outside edge. Depending on the set up and initial orientation of all parts, this may or may not happen in any particular case. I did not raise the issue when Nick first asked for opinions, as the Duke of Oil?s problem happened all of a sudden. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). >> The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. >> >> As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" >> >> Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! >> >> The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. >> >> Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. >> >> >> I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal >> Nick >> >> PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. >> Thanks for thinking about this >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 04:53:39 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> References: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: This brings to mind a lesson learned the hard way. Diaphragm pressure plates need to be mated with the correct configuration throwout bearing. The fingers on the plate want to roll on the throwout bearing. If the fingers are straight, the bearing needs to have a curved surface. If the fingers are curved, then a flat faced throwout bearing will work. If a flat faced bearing is used with flat fingers, there could be a very sudden movement and engagement as the fingers transition across the face of the bearing from the inside to outside edge. Depending on the set up and initial orientation of all parts, this may or may not happen in any particular case. I did not raise the issue when Nick first asked for opinions, as the Duke of Oil?s problem happened all of a sudden. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). >> The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. >> >> As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" >> >> Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! >> >> The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. >> >> Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. >> >> >> I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal >> Nick >> >> PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. >> Thanks for thinking about this >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 12:20:08 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:20:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire over Germany In-Reply-To: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> References: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1.ref@aol.com> <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> Message-ID: <51515D31-4967-46A9-9354-4BD8BFAE2D5C@gmail.com> Not 30 minutes ago i received that video from a friend and just finished forwarding it to my brothers. I wish my dad were still with us to share it with too. He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of the landing and the aftermath! ?Justin Wagner I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > Phil > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of the landing and the aftermath! > > ?Justin Wagner > > I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > [image1.jpeg] > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > > > http://YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > > > Phil > > > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We got some used ones, but they were no better than what we had. Looking for suggestions on sources! Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 15:23:42 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:23:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire over Germany In-Reply-To: <1208699468.1650970.1587673330258@connect.xfinity.com> References: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1.ref@aol.com> <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> <51515D31-4967-46A9-9354-4BD8BFAE2D5C@gmail.com> <1208699468.1650970.1587673330258@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Thanks Phil, good stuff, amazing what's available on there. As an FYI, today is the 15th anniversary of the 1st YouTube upload. 1st video, at the zoo, over 90 million hits https://youtu.be/jNQXAC9IVRw mike h On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:25 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Thanks for sharing this you guys. Great stuff! What a story. > DH > > On April 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM J Wagner via Fot > wrote: > > > Not 30 minutes ago i received that video from a friend and just finished > forwarding it to my brothers. I wish my dad were still with us to share it > with too. He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when > one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of > his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have > been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of > the landing and the aftermath! > > ?Justin Wagner > > I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > [image: image1.jpeg] > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John > Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > > Phil > > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Larry Young From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 19:11:57 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 01:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Parts In-Reply-To: <5198D381-1258-42E4-9041-92E5D5512B62@gmail.com> References: <5198D381-1258-42E4-9041-92E5D5512B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1435509739.491728.1587690717636@mail.yahoo.com> Also try John Esposito at Quantum Mechanics. ?He does a lot of these. john at quantumechanics.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Snook via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2020 4:33 pm Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Parts Hey all, Glen is rebuilding my OD (which has never been apart in my 25+ years of racing the car!) ?It is a big piston A-type and we need some parts: Planetary Gears (at least 2) and some thrust washers. We got some used ones, but they were no better than what we had. Looking for suggestions on sources! Thanks, Jeff Snookhttp://www.snooksdreamcars.com419-344-0319 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 05:02:26 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] OD gearbox transport? Message-ID: Is anyone from the Atlanta area coming to the Kastner Cup? My sis (in ATL) picked up an OD gearbox that I bought for my Spitfire. She planned to bring it to Iowa for me, but the pandemic began and now my Spitfire sits in pieces. There is a box of parts that came with it also. If someone is willing to bring it to Mid Ohio, I would pay you. Please let me know... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Apr 24 17:33:06 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:33:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 944 on YouTube References: Message-ID: I?m happy this film is finding more viewers. The documentary filmmaker is William Lorton, a friend of ours and a work colleague of my wife. You?ll note that this film received Honorable Mention at the 2007 Sundance Film Festival and it?s a fun topic for our group of motorheads. Bill also posted to YouTube more of the raw footage shot by his great Uncle during WW2 that you might enjoy. There is a trailer of his documentary, Take Away One, which also explores a member of his family, an aunt. It?s a remarkable film and I hope you?ll check it out. Go to YouTube and search ?DAvenport 3-2614? for his posted videos. John Frymark Sent from my iPad From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 25 08:08:49 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:08:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Message-ID: <6B80193C3953495E9790C050D75D7ED4@VlackTK121647> List members Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. Thanks Richard. 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Apr 25 13:29:32 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:29:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> I agree. Awesome guy and awesome parts. We put a bunch into an endurance TR6 race car. Man I loved that GP3 cam. I?ll be buying another for my restoration street car. That cam with about a 1/4? shaved off the head really woke the engine up. Good stuff. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yup, second that. Richard has gone above and beyond on some issues on a car I was working on where anybody else would have rightfully said "not my problem". > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:08 AM > To: FOT ; WPTA e-Mail List ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Goodparts > > List members > > Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. > > Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. > > Thanks Richard. > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 15:24:17 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:24:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration Message-ID: Amici Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- *Mike Deweerd* [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 110603 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 25 17:06:36 2020 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 09:06:36 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts In-Reply-To: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> References: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9DFAF590-118E-4101-BEC7-F75AFEE30B2E@optusnet.com.au> I too am a big fan of Richard and the parts he supplies. I run a lot of them on my race cars TR6 and GT6 here in Australia. Good quality and always helpful. I recommend Goodparts to my Triumph mates when they are looking for parts Geoff Byrne TR racer down under Sent from my iPad > On 26 Apr 2020, at 5:30 am, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?I agree. Awesome guy and awesome parts. We put a bunch into an endurance TR6 race car. Man I loved that GP3 cam. I?ll be buying another for my restoration street car. That cam with about a 1/4? shaved off the head really woke the engine up. Good stuff. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Yup, second that. Richard has gone above and beyond on some issues on a car I was working on where anybody else would have rightfully said "not my problem". >> >> Marty >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot >> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:08 AM >> To: FOT ; WPTA e-Mail List ; triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Goodparts >> >> List members >> >> Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. >> >> Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. >> >> Thanks Richard. >> >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sat Apr 25 19:06:36 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:06:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > ? > Amici > Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 25 19:34:59 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> References: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <019E33E1-5567-4470-A74D-44A6DCB8ACF9@aol.com> A terrific idea! I?m in. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 25 19:34:59 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> References: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <019E33E1-5567-4470-A74D-44A6DCB8ACF9@aol.com> A terrific idea! I?m in. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Apr 25 20:07:07 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 02:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> Count me in. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, April 25, 2020,?Michael Deweerd via Fot??wrote: Amici?Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my pointI was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas at the bottom.I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested?I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 26 05:24:24 2020 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:24:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Count me in too. On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Count me in. > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On?Saturday, April 25, 2020,?Michael Deweerd via > Fot??wrote: > > Amici > Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic > and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what > inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the > reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what > they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, > brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational > poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral > byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who > made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be > re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas > at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone > else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would > chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get > enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > /Mike Deweerd/ > image.png > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Apr 26 05:28:49 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> References: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <2FC39734-5F85-4316-BEEB-9322D052C650@optonline.net> I?m in! > On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > > ? Count me in too. > > On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 06:42:58 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 05:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <0e27b1d9-8d39-2adc-00bb-d57c65f28091@gmail.com> On 4/26/20 4:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > Count me in too. Me too please. I could use some inspiration. TeriAnn > > On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On??Saturday, April 25, 2020,??Michael Deweerd via Fot? >> ??wrote: >> >> Amici? >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing >> Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was >> thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what??with all the >> hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them >> again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after >> dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I >> ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational >> poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral >> byline?? "Never be beaten by equipment"?? Perhaps the FOT??member >> who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could >> be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature??from >> Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone >> else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they >> would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we >> can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 26 10:02:12 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:02:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c1b2998-203f-2f17-7e65-5e82f37c0859@bradakis.com> That was a good poster, interesting idea. One of the items on my garage wall is a basic sheet of paper with this on it.? I'm sure many of you will recognize the original source for particular take on it.? I'd like to get a bigger, perhaps a nicely framed version of it to help inspire me to bring the Fat Chance Garage back to what it used to be, or at least somewhat close.? As the old saying goes, the older I get, the better I was. But memories of the way it used to be can be good motivation for the future.? I did some good work back then, and I'm not dead yet. This poster was put together by Chris Kantarjiev, not active on this list these days.? I thought I had the source file, Postscript I believe, for it, but can't seem to find it on my computer. Perhaps Chris has it handy. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200426_085205.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 644803 bytes Desc: not available URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Sun Apr 26 12:20:23 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Goodparts References: <1996585592.360237.1587925223677.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1996585592.360237.1587925223677@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for your positive comments.? And special thanks to Greg for kindly omitting the part where we first sent the adapters to your old address after you clearly included the correct address in your email.? That had to be very frustrating.? We are not perfect but we try hard. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, April 26, 2020 Greg Lemon wrote: I put in the R200 in my TR250, finished the job a few weeks ago.? They forgot to send the adapters for the axles.? I emailed Richard and he said he would send out the parts right away, and he did in the middle everything going on.? All the parts fit and work great.?? It is also a super upgrade by the way.? Highly recommend. Greg LemonTR250 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Apr 26 12:30:56 2020 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523793248.545796.1587925856773@mail.yahoo.com> This conehead would be interested in a couple, one for the garage and the other for my den. Cheers,Bob T '64 Spit Gt? Autocrosser PS? pre season service is almost complete -----Original Message----- From: Michael Deweerd via Fot To: fot Sent: Sat, Apr 25, 2020 5:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration Amici?Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my pointI was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas at the bottom.I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested?I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are not perfect but we try hard. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > On Sunday, April 26, 2020 Greg Lemon wrote: > > I put in the R200 in my TR250, finished the job a few weeks ago. They forgot to send the adapters for the axles. I emailed Richard and he said he would send out the parts right away, and he did in the middle everything going on. All the parts fit and work great. > > It is also a super upgrade by the way. Highly recommend. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us > to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets > and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending > dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I > ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster > on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be > beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual > Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across > the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be > interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime > in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make > it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > [image: image.png] > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 27 14:35:48 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] old British car shop for sale References: <1194859602.785699.1588019749144.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1194859602.785699.1588019749144@mail.yahoo.com> Any one wanting to move to the beautiful mountains of north Georgia? I have a two level barn on 4.1 acres. Both levels are drive in thru sliding barn doors. The lower level has been renovated into a great shop for working on old British cars. I have run a shop for over 45 years and redid the barn two years ago. I want to semi-retire and do not need such a fine shop. Besides the new house we just bought has a big shop on it's property and the wife says I cannot have both. I would be willing to sell just the property and barn or all my special tools and all the new and used parts can be negotiated. 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I would like to not carve ip the??metal > dash but I am willing to do some creative??bending to get the angled > gauges to work. > > > image.png > > > Bob Kramer > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 84367 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 16:21:55 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Gauge pod In-Reply-To: <3706844c-f295-4276-5a33-bbde8a9d43e5@gmail.com> References: <3706844c-f295-4276-5a33-bbde8a9d43e5@gmail.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn Those are very nice looking gauges and meet the need to look as original as possible. I already have 3 SW 2 1/16" gauges that look a lot like these as well so I'm gonna stick with SW but I'll remember that for next time. I heard from Dennis DeLap that he fit 5 gauges into the opening so I think I should be okay. He should have sent the picture he sent to me to all. His dash is artwork. Bob Kramer On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:46 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > You might take a look at VDO series I gauges. > > On 4/27/20 2:31 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Has anyone tried to squeeze 4 or 5 gauges into the center > instrument? panel using these angled? Auto Meter gauge pods? they are 2 > 1/16 which should fit the Stewart Warner gauge line without destroying the > OEM look.? I would like to not carve ip the? metal dash but I am willing > to do some creative? bending to get the angled gauges to work. > > > [image: image.png] > > > Bob Kramer > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Count me in too. >>> >>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>> Count me in. >>>> >>>> Bill Dentinger >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> Amici >>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>> >>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Deweerd >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Another poster wouldn?t hurt! > > > > > >>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: >> ? >> +1 for both posters!!! >> >> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:41 AM Vangoughv via Fot wrote: >>> I?m in.. >>> >>> Vince >>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: >>>> ? Count me in too. >>>> >>>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>>> Count me in. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Amici >>>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>>> >>>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Deweerd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Count me in too. >> >> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and >> being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us >> to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets >> and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending >> dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I >> ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster >> on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be >> beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual >> Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across >> the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be >> interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime >> in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make >> it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> *Mike Deweerd* >> [image: image.png] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 6:30 PM Dave via Fot wrote: > Good reason to keep on keepin' on. > My happy place. > Dave H. > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Apr 28 06:03:02 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:03:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lol. I?m thinking the same! > On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 PM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > ? > Ya'll are making me really want to drywall the garage..... > > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:58 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> My current wall of inspiration. Another poster wouldn?t hurt! >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> +1 for both posters!!! >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:41 AM Vangoughv via Fot wrote: >>>> I?m in.. >>>> >>>> Vince >>>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ? Count me in too. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>>>> Count me in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Amici >>>>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mike Deweerd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'm about the messiest guy you could meet. > > Can I discipline myself to keep the shop tidy? > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 107496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Apr 28 10:45:42 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:45:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration Message-ID: Soooo, I saved every Classic Motorsports magazine so I can go and reference all the shop design pro-tips that have been in the various issues...????????????????????.. Right now they're packed in a Pod behind all the crap from the garage...?...????????... Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdment at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 11:16:44 2020 From: jdment at yahoo.com (Jim McAndrew) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Daytona Continental Winning 1957 TR3 for sale References: <1353044515.1669794.1588094204672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353044515.1669794.1588094204672@mail.yahoo.com> Daytona Continental Winning 1957 TR3 for sale Many of you have received the latest edition of The Vintage Triumph from VTR. On the cover is Fred Schmidt?s beautiful restoration of Bill Cannons? 24 Hour of Daytona class winning TR-4A. If you watch ?Shelby American? of Netflix, you can see that car in some of the vintage film! I have the predecessor to that car- the 1957 TR3 that Bill Cannons built and Dana Kelder/Ara Dube raced. It won its class at the Daytona Continental two years in a row, in 1963 and 1964. The car was found by Tim Suddard in 1997. I bought it and (with lots of help) restored it. The car won a Gold Certificate and the Modified Class at the 2002 VTR Nationals in Redwing, Minnesota. It was also awarded the Ken Richardson Trophy that year.? I raced the car with the Corinthian Vintage Auto Racing group from 2003 to 2006. I raced in the Kastner Cup in 2006 at Hallet Motor Speedway. Kas was gracious to sign the car at that event and the car is one of the cars on the cover of his book, ?Racing, Winning and Other Myths in Triumph Cars?. The car won the Participant?s Choice, Best of Show, in 2017 at the VTR South Central Regionals in New Braunfels, Texas. I?ve been trying to get the car back on the road as a fun, fast, reliable road car, but realize the my automotive mechanic talents and resources have reached their end. The car runs and drives. Carburation and wiring issues (left over problems from my ex-mechanic) are the limiting factors. This has been a real hard decision for me, but it is time for me to sell this car and MANY spares to someone who wants to bring it back to life as a racer or a historic showpiece. What is available: The car- in it?s current configuration: Moss Supercharger with Mikuni carburetor Moldex crank Carrillo rods Aluminum radiator ARE alloy front engine plates 4-speed straight cut gear box Hydraulic throwout bearing Salisbury limited slip Advance Auto-wire wiring harness Revington TR rally suspension Aluminum front hubs with uprated axles Southwick solid rear axle conversion Genuine Magnesium Minilites New roll bar with under dash bar and removable door bars Hardtop Documentation-? All pictures from the Daytona Archives (some are original, others are reprints) Original newspaper articles and race entries Original FIA papers Long play album, ?Sounds of Daytona? with the car pictured on the cover Dana Kelder?s race overalls and jacket Amateur movie film of the car racing in the 60?s converted to VHS and DVD What else: Original race parts (including endurance gas tank and flywheel ?scatter shield?) 3 additional engine blocks- Incl original motor from when raced in the 60?s 2 extra heads- incl one with porting by Jack Drews Overdrive transmission 2 extra alloy valve covers 2 extra rear axles Extra metal body parts Almost a complete set of fiberglass body parts Set of aluminum reproduction minilites A new, complete, Advance Auto-wire wiring harness Extra Moldex crank- set up for Chevy bearings- with matching rods and pistons (unused) Extra rear springs, SU carburetors with ARE heat shield, driving lights, oil cooler, hard top rally light, rear luggage rack, Kas designed velocity stacks, ARE spun-aluminum headlamp covers with decals? $33,000 OBO- offer going out first to FOT, then will be in next edition on The Vintage Triumph classifieds, then ?. 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After that, you snooze, you... well, no one wants to lose. Order by filling in the spreadsheet here: > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 05:53:58 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1184271577.1838246.1588247638280@mail.yahoo.com> Hey - great vid. Peering into the future? To be honest, though, at around 2 minutes there's a moment that proves some guys have real class. C ya,Bob Lang On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 10:58:11 PM EDT, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens.? Give it a view.? Share your thoughts.? ? Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 05:54:27 2020 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube Message-ID: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 06:22:34 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> References: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1096027207.1841761.1588249354317@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - ya, I came up with this one: 4 wheel speed sensors and a bunch of accelerometers and other inputs is way better than my "seat" will ever be. =:-0 c ya,rml On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 7:55:08 AM EDT, Dean via Fot wrote: That was interesting. First thing I notice is how smoothly the steering wheel moves. No sawing Of the wheel back and forth. A lesson to be learned. ? Dean ? ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:58 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube ? Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens.? Give it a view.? Share your thoughts.? ? Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Apr 30 06:54:15 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! Stay safe. Bill On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Hey Gang, > Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid > recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. > Give it a view.? Share your thoughts. > Dave H. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 09:28:02 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. DH > On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. > > I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. > > The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! > > Stay safe. > > Bill > > On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > > > Hey Gang, > > Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. > > Give it a view. Share your thoughts. > > Dave H. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 09:45:32 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:45:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> References: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <5999097A-6069-4F39-8ED1-38CEA17F9E64@gmail.com> I guess your reputation preceeded you Dave ? > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:30 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. > DH >> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >> >> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >> >> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >> >> Stay safe. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>> Hey Gang, >>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>> Dave H. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FB_IMG_1588202837544.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46130 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 10:40:48 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:40:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. > DH >> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >> >> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >> >> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >> >> Stay safe. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>> Hey Gang, >>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>> Dave H. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 10:57:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75389099-ABA2-4927-9269-01D37F5079B7@gmail.com> Joan Fontaine was my seat mate on a flight to Iowa. I don?t think she was very happy about that. I am not sure she was very happy about anything. I had dinner with Debbie Reynolds, once. Except she was at the next table. (She was doing the TV remake of Unsinkable Molly Brown). She was very approachable. One of my friends invited her for drinks in the hotel bar. He was very pleased. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:41 AM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > ? > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Thu Apr 30 11:01:02 2020 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:01:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com>, <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think you?ve got Jackie Stewart wrong there - that was a thank you I suspect, rather than a blow out. He?s an absolute gentleman in my experience and is one of those guys that makes time when he has it, but every minute the man has when he is in public is scheduled and paid for, especially at events where he is representing his long standing sponsors and clients. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:41, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ? In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. DH On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! Stay safe. Bill On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. Give it a view. Share your thoughts. Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 13:19:55 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: It?s very possibly that I too misjudged Jane Seymour. In fact, one of my brothers has a great memory of sharing a moment with her, having words as he boarded an airplane in New York and they were both in first class. I think the point of sharing my story was that the slightest hint of rudeness by a celebrity can breed a memorable, hurtful memory in a fan. Such a slight from a stranger would be shrugged off and probably quickly forgotten. With celebrities, it?s different. On one hand, it seems unfair to the celebrities, but it is one of the costs of being a celebrity. Some take it in stride and learn how to make everyone feel touched. Think of Bill Clinton here. He?s known to work a room and make everyone feel personally acknowledged. (I?m not speaking as a fan of the Clintons, but it is a fact about his nature that probably played a big part in his becoming a governor and POTUS.) I worked on a commercial with Anthony Michael Hall a few years ago. My god, he went out of his way to make each crew member feel like they were the stars. I know he?s not a superstar, but he?s still a celebrity. He could have approached the crew with a 180 degree attitude! They can choose to act like spoiled children or they can recognize that many people they have never met may feel a connection to them as if they had met. I think those that embrace this live happier lives than those that yell obscenities or punch paparazzi in the face or their cameras for the slightest effort to get a picture or that grimace and turn away when recognized in public, etc. I met Kastner in person at a Triumphest. My TR4A was the most beat up and unrestored looking Triumph at the event. (I had only restored it mechanically, it had no top, no carpet, etc., and it roared with nothing but glass-packs!) Word got to me that it was his favorite car of the day. I?m sure he knew it would. Another case of a celebrity that appreciates the responsibility that comes with his celebrity rather than taking it like a bitter pill. He?s always a class act. My beater looking TR as it appeared about that time in the 90?s.... > On Apr 30, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Tony Sheach wrote: > > I think you?ve got Jackie Stewart wrong there - that was a thank you I suspect, rather than a blow out. > > He?s an absolute gentleman in my experience and is one of those guys that makes time when he has it, but every minute the man has when he is in public is scheduled and paid for, especially at events where he is representing his long standing sponsors and clients. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:41, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > ? > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped. The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice. Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs. Twice I was told a check had been sent. I have not received the $130 as of this date. This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. Tim Murphy 1961 Triumph TR4 #317 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Apr 30 17:02:23 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft References: <2114606283.165189.1588287743534.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2114606283.165189.1588287743534@mail.yahoo.com> That is truly?a?sad story. ?So very hard to understand.? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Thursday, April 30, 2020,?timmmurphh--- via Fot??wrote: I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. ? I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date. ? This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. ? Tim Murphy 1961 Triumph TR4 #317 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 17:09:24 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:09:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft Message-ID: Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 17:23:55 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've met Jay Leno at Laguna during the historical races a few times, but the first time was the most memorable. It was early on a Thursday or Friday morning when the paddock was fairly quiet. I was with a friend and saw a Berkeley with the front body work off. Knowing there was a motorcycle engine of some sort in there, I went over for a closer look. I was studying it's Norton engine and other components with great interest. In my excitement to share what I was looking at, I made a really quick pivot to call my friend over and slammed into someone standing closely and silently looking right over my shoulder at the same machine. In an instant I body slammed Jay Leno. I stepped on his foot, kicked him in the shin, elbowed him in the gut and my shoulder just grazed his chin. Before I noticed it was him I grunted and cursed, then looked up and said something like, oh hello and excuse me, I beg your pardon. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote: > > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu Apr 30 17:27:17 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. Block goes back. Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. silly me. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 17:31:31 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:31:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> References: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> Yup, we had a head....they were supposed to skim at .010. I think they dialed in .100. Said they didn?t. End of story. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > ?Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. > > Block goes back. > > Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. > > Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. > > Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. > > Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. > > silly me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Apr 30 17:43:25 2020 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:43:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms - Rick Cline Record In-Reply-To: <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com> References: <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <728963C3-4BCB-4605-A8E5-5ABF257457F3@wi.rr.com> FoT, Note the track length of 1.70 miles. This was before they added 3A and expanded the track to 1.950 miles. Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Apr 30 19:31:41 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:31:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> References: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gave the machine shop very specific instructions including the Kas Spitfire book. Engine lasted 22 minutes. > On Apr 30, 2020, at 19:31, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Yup, we had a head....they were supposed to skim at .010. I think they dialed in .100. > > Said they didn?t. End of story. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Greg Blake wrote: >> >> ?Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. >> >> Block goes back. >> >> Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. >> >> Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. >> >> Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. >> >> Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. >> >> silly me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> 4505 Donald Dr >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>> The-vintage-racer.com >>> Gasketinnovations.com >>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>> >>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:58:52 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:58:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Message-ID: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... 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From: Fot On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 5:59 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Apr 1 19:36:07 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:36:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Apr 1 20:51:50 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 02:51:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals Message-ID: Hope everyone is well during this extraordinary time. That said, my machinist is telling me he is concerned with the pits in my block down where the figure 8 seals live. He says we might have machine down there and deck the block. Isn't there a glue, JB weld or vaccine that will take care of this? What say you? PS: my competition prep manuals are all in a Pod as I am moving to Salt Lake soon. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 1 23:47:23 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 07:47:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01d608b2$2f29fc90$8d7df5b0$@gmail.com> Hi, the simplest method is: * 1 layer of silicone on the blocks surface * Putting the figure 8 gasket on * 1 layer of silicone on the liners seat * Slipping the liner in the block * Pushing them down with the head * Let it rest a few hours No water will ever hit the figure 8 gasket again. Use plenty of silicone at this point. It will be squeezed out. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Henry A. Morrison via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 04:52 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 liner seals Hope everyone is well during this extraordinary time. That said, my machinist is telling me he is concerned with the pits in my block down where the figure 8 seals live. He says we might have machine down there and deck the block. Isn't there a glue, JB weld or vaccine that will take care of this? What say you? PS: my competition prep manuals are all in a Pod as I am moving to Salt Lake soon. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 05:44:04 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 07:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. > Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. > My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: > > 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. > Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. > My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: > > 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 06:38:25 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv3107912497 #yiv3107912497 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv3107912497 #yiv3107912497 p.yiv3107912497MsoNormal, #yiv3107912497 li.yiv3107912497MsoNormal, #yiv3107912497 div.yiv3107912497MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv3107912497 a:link, #yiv3107912497 span.yiv3107912497MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3107912497 span.yiv3107912497E-MailFormatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv3107912497 .yiv3107912497MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {} #yiv3107912497 div.yiv3107912497WordSection1 {} #yiv3107912497 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. ?CheersChris ? ?Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott ? ?Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. ?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hello Amici, ?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: ?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. ?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.? ?I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. ?I hope you are all safe and well... ?Cheers, ? ?Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 07:10:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 13:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv6942379707 #yiv6942379707 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv6942379707 #yiv6942379707 p.yiv6942379707MsoNormal, #yiv6942379707 li.yiv6942379707MsoNormal, #yiv6942379707 div.yiv6942379707MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv6942379707 a:link, #yiv6942379707 span.yiv6942379707MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv6942379707 span.yiv6942379707E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv6942379707 .yiv6942379707MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv6942379707 div.yiv6942379707WordSection1 {} #yiv6942379707 Phil, ?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. ?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. ?CheersChris ? ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. ?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. ?Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone ? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home - I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Phil, pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use. I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive? But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv5344674333 #yiv5344674333 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv5344674333 #yiv5344674333 p.yiv5344674333MsoNormal, #yiv5344674333 li.yiv5344674333MsoNormal, #yiv5344674333 div.yiv5344674333MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv5344674333 a:link, #yiv5344674333 span.yiv5344674333MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5344674333 span.yiv5344674333E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv5344674333 .yiv5344674333MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv5344674333 div.yiv5344674333WordSection1 {} #yiv5344674333 I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change.The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50? ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300Phil,?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car.?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids.?CheersChris??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not.?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder.?Phil-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36053 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 2 07:41:24 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:41:24 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> <002301d608f1$6dea4ae0$49bee0a0$@gmail.com> <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> This one: https://www.ebay.de/itm/LPR-Zentralausrucker-Kupplung-3603-12-x-1-Aluminium-fur-SAAB-9000-2-0-16-Turbo/383352319940?epid=1461269385 &hash=item5941942fc4:g:Vh8AAOSwiX1eDtiZ Saab 9000 Turbo Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:29 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 50 Euro! Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change. The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50? Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home - I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: vfracing >; tr4racing >; sjanzen >; fot > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Phil, pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use. I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car. DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive? But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids. Cheers Chris Von: vfracing at aol.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; sjanzen at me.com ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 Good point, Chris; On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. It sees only what is in the bell housing. The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not. Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing > To: 'Phil Gott' >; 'Scott Janzen' >; fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes. Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI. My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit. On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Hello Amici, Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions: 1. Main cap fasteners - ARP does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire 1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. I hope you are all safe and well... Cheers, Brad Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 2 08:13:02 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> References: <835601672.632130.1585831105374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835601672.632130.1585831105374@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d608ee$6a68f3b0$3f3adb10$@gmail.com> <1552235818.635288.1585833038950@mail.yahoo.com> <002301d608f1$6dea4ae0$49bee0a0$@gmail.com> <275733333.626724.1585834131959@mail.yahoo.com> <003101d608f4$67ad4760$3707d620$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <546145983.599135.1585836782439@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:41 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 #yiv9809035299 #yiv9809035299 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv9809035299 #yiv9809035299 p.yiv9809035299MsoNormal, #yiv9809035299 li.yiv9809035299MsoNormal, #yiv9809035299 div.yiv9809035299MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv9809035299 a:link, #yiv9809035299 span.yiv9809035299MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv9809035299 span.yiv9809035299E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv9809035299 .yiv9809035299MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv9809035299 div.yiv9809035299WordSection1 {} #yiv9809035299 This one:https://www.ebay.de/itm/LPR-Zentralausrucker-Kupplung-3603-12-x-1-Aluminium-fur-SAAB-9000-2-0-16-Turbo/383352319940?epid=1461269385&hash=item5941942fc4:g:Vh8AAOSwiX1eDtiZ ?Saab 9000 Turbo ?Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:29 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 ?50 Euro! ?Which one is that? -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 9:20 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300I?m carrying a spare in a box. Takes about 2 hours to change.The unit I use is cheap. Maybe 50??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 15:11 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Having had my slave unit fail at Sebring - a 2 1/2 day drive from home ?- I'm taking the advice of my crew chief and going to rebuild the slave at least once per year.-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: vfracing ; tr4racing ; sjanzen ; fot Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:58 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300Phil,?pretty smart engineerd to have 3 rings in use.I think mine has only one and had been used on a Volvo car.?DOT4 is more aggressive than DOT3. But maybe Quatermaster sells something even less aggressive?But from time to time, the seals in my hydraulic are getting soft from the fluids.?CheersChris??Von: vfracing at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 14:38 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sjanzen at me.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?Good point, Chris; ?On the 721, there are 3 o-rings. ?Two seal the hydraulic fluid and, as you point out, are in contact with that on one side and whatever is in the bell housing on the other side. ?The third is between the transmission snout and the concentric slave body. ?It sees only what is in the bell housing. ?The two that were in contact with hydraulic fluid were swollen and rubbery, whereas the third was not, suggesting that the brake fluid is at fault. ?On the other hand, I have no idea if the o-rings are all the same type of rubber or not.?Pending clarification from Irv, I am going with the Quartermaster fluid, the 721 slave, and the Girling (now TRW) master cylinder.?Phil-----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Scott Janzen' ; fot at autox. team. net Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2020 8:30 am Subject: AW: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300The thing with concentric slaves sitting in the bell housing is often, that they get also oil from leaking engines or leaking gearboxes.Most slaves die from getting in contact with oil, rarely than with brake fluid.?CheersChris??Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2020 13:44 An: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300?To add to what Jim said: if you go the Quartermaster route, use the Quartermaster hydraulic fluid. They say any DOT 3 or 4 fluid will work, but it ain?t so. Some brake fluids will attack the rubber in the Quartermaster slave cylinder (see photo). I have compared the Quartermaster fluid with regular DOT 3 and 4 fluid and can tell you it is a BUNCH slipperier. The slave works much more smoothly. BTW this is a Quartermaster 721 series concentric slave and throwout bearing.Phil Gott??Sent from my iPhone? On Apr 1, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ?I can tell you the size for the GT6 bits, if they are the same. ?Studs are 7/16? x3-1/2? overall length, 20TPI.?My ARP box is marked 206-5404 Triumph TR7 main stud kit.?On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote:?Hello Amici,?Thinking aloud here as I have time on my hands. A couple of questions:?1. Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt.?2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution.??I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car.?I hope you are all safe and well...?Cheers,??Brad Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Main cap fasteners?- ARP? does not make a main stud kit for the > Spifire?1300 and does not list their studs by size either. If you have > an ARP stud and nut set up, how did you order it? They have readily > available?a 7/16"x3" bolt for direct replacement of the OEM bolt. > > 2. Clutches - the vintage set up in my engines are a lightened?factory > flywheel, coming up just under 13 lbs with ring gear and a Borg & Beck > clutch disc and plate. I've run 3 race weekends with the clutch that > has been in the car for 43 years, so far without issue. I'm thinking I > would like to stick with the flywheel I have with a good clutch solution. > > I know this one is a bit of a can of worms but have at it with your > valued thoughts. I'm looking for simple and reliable. I am not nearly > as smart as the aeronautical engineer that built the car. > > I hope you are all safe and well... > > Cheers, > > > Brad > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > * > * > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 103 E. Main St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Apr 2 12:27:22 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:27:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > It's like they can read my mind or something. > > Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! > Umm, you just did.... :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 2 12:34:20 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:34:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me often when I Google something I?m looking for. JVV From: Michael Porter via Fot Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:27 PM To: Robert Lang ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: It's like they can read my mind or something. Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! Umm, you just did.... :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 2 13:23:56 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: > On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a > way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me > often when I Google something I'm looking for. One way is to not use Google. There are numerous other search engines that do not track you. One such is DuckDuckGo https://duckduckgo.com/ I use a Firefox plug-in called Ad Block Plus that pretty well ensures I don't see any web ads, targeted or not. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 2 13:33:54 2020 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 19:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings In-Reply-To: References: <1571901242.730096.1585847683430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1571901242.730096.1585847683430@mail.yahoo.com> <2e85d9d3-880b-58ce-b520-31e1cd7e25f7@dfn.com> Message-ID: <221210616.1253365.1585856034504@mail.yahoo.com> I'm not a full-fledged IT sort but I believe using your Browser's Private mode will help since it prevents cookies from being stored. Also if you are signed in to Google (which they highly encourage), sign out. But I suspect Google still knows your IP address and can track your queries that way. If you have a Google account, you can view the history they've recorded (have a stiff drink ready when you do this), delete and stop the tracking. My Account -> Data & Personalization -> Activity Controls -> Web & App Activity -> Pause. But that's only for Google, not all the other data-Hoovers. AFAIK a VPN service is the definitive way to block tracking. Your VPN provider hides your IP address so you can't be tracked. There are many free and paid ones. A friend who works in IT for a bank has VPN endpoints in many countries so he can watched blocked F1 races. Hope that helps, people who are more knowledgeable feel free to chime in. Gary Schneider On Thursday, April 2, 2020, 1:34:30 PM CDT, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: On topic or off topic. To our Computer wizards. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen to me often when I Google something I?m looking for.JVV?From: Michael Porter via Fot Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:27 PMTo: Robert Lang ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Hydraulic T/O Bearings?On 4/2/2020 11:14 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? It's like they can read my mind or something. ? Thank the Lord we weren't discussing Speedo swim suits! ? ? Umm, you just did.... :) ? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Apr 2 15:08:09 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:08:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main Cap Fasteners and Clutches - 1300 In-Reply-To: <256C1A40-5515-47A3-B5B2-8405082AF2D4@dcphotos.com> References: <256C1A40-5515-47A3-B5B2-8405082AF2D4@dcphotos.com> Message-ID: Brad, Summitt has a wide variety of ARP studs. So does Jegs. If you measure out what you need they could be potential sources for them. Paul Ricco > On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:56 AM, don--- via Fot wrote: > > Brad, > Give Ted Schumacher a call. > Pretty sure he even lists the ARP kit on his site http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > He helped me with my ARP choices. > I?m sure he can help with the clutch issue as well. > Don > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sat Apr 4 13:02:51 2020 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage Message-ID: Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based Car Show? https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM ~Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sat Apr 4 13:10:35 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015E23AC-E811-4737-BA64-E9FDEBF775A2@linneyweb.com> Really good Steve. Can?t wait for episode 2. > On Apr 4, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based Car Show? > > https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:03:53 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 16:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yeah, take it out with or without trans, ones as bad as the other I think On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Coronavirus news getting you down? Why not watch my home-made TR3-based > Car Show? > > https://youtu.be/20a0zqNhOYM > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Apr 7 10:50:31 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 16:50:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Discs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: DPPI - Mark Craig Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:48 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; mark at dieselperformanceparts.com Subject: Tilton Clutch Discs Morning FOT Membership, I have recently changed all my Spits to a Quaife 4 speed synchromesh transmissions. In doing so I had to change to a 23 spline input shaft clutch disc. So I have one brand new Tilton, 7/8" x 10 spline, 7.25" solid no springs clutch disc I will need to sell off to someone that can use them. Brand new, fit any 7.25" clutch cover, part # 64185-2-F-03. I think they typically sell for 100.00 each plus shipping. How about I pay the shipping and someone here pays me 85.00 for it?? Saves you about 25.00-30.00 or so. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SVRA rearranged some of the events earlier in the schedule but the hope is that things settle down somewhat by the end of June and the Mid-Ohio event will go on as scheduled. I inquired about the possibility of moving the event to 2021 due to the Covid-19 situation and that is just not a possibility as they have already made commitments to other groups for next year for the Mid-Ohio date. SVRA is in the process of making changes for the event to make it more social distant. Registration at the track will be different and there will be no Saturday night party. This will be more of a racing weekend and not so much of a social weekend. They are making changes to adapt as we speak, and I will update you as I can. We will have to adapt as a group also as far as the awards ceremony and hospitality area. So, we have a free race on the schedule so you cannot beat the price. Stay safe, stay well and get those race cars ready. 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URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Apr 9 14:56:09 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I'd like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan ________________________________ Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs - Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven't seen that before on GT6's or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn't work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg][http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else's is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn't mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can't really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. 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Name: 1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 6671859 bytes Desc: 1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Apr 10 06:28:54 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 08:28:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> References: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: wow- almost in the ?too nice to drive? category. Looks like a BAT candidate. On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I?d like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs ? Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven?t seen that before on GT6?s or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn?t work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else?s is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn?t mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can?t really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com <1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf>_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Apr 10 06:30:30 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <656fdd5cf08d4ec2a582167a47f654d4@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: Yeah, but figured I?d pass it along to a Triumph faithful vs a maybe not one here first!! [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:29 AM To: DPPI - Mark Craig Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spit Six NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow- almost in the ?too nice to drive? category. Looks like a BAT candidate. On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:56 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Afternoon Membership, I bought a really nice rust free Spit Six about two years ago. Solid rust free Ca body, GT6 Bonnet. Full frame off and repaint. Overdrive and a special Canley Classics upgraded tranny. GT6 full suspension, brakes and a matching hardtop too. Here is the info I got on the car when I was buying it. Maybe one of the best ones out there ever based on what I know. It needs a good home. I got 3 Spit race cars, a company to run, a 14 year old and this baby never gets run. I?d like to see 12,500.00 out of her. But as most of you know I like to swap stuff, maybe Spit race parts or who knows, plus cash of course, LOL!! This is all the correspondence I had prior to buying the car, see the attached pics too: Mark, Nice to see I am talking with a true Triumph person. My very first car was a Triumph and my very last car is also a Triumph. #1. GT6 calipers, remanufactured with spacers by Canley. I still have the original Spitfire calipers if you want them. #2. The GT6 suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, this was necessary for proper fit of the GT6 engine in the bay. GT6 knuckle with larger diameter axle was also installed. #3. I was not convinced by Canley's method of mounting the vented caliper on the wheel hub. It was a loose fit with centering made by the 4 wheel studs. I machined the hub with a journal so the 2 diameters would be aligned. The aluminum spacer was required to give the stock track. Canley uses a thick washer and actually increases the track a little. #4. Hardtop has new window rubber, I have the window seal ( just need to install it ), headliner is original, slightly stained, one small L shaped tear perhaps 7 x 7 mm long. #5. Everything is operational. #6. I stayed with the stock wheels because they were original to the car. I do have a set of ready to go painted GT6 steel wheels we can talk about. #7. I agree it looks high. I used the GT6 front springs thinking the additional weight of the 6 cylinder engine would lower the front end too much if I keep with the Spitfire springs. I now think the stock Spitfire springs might work better. #8. Cooling works like a charm with the 3 row core, everything cooling the way it is supposed to. #9. I stayed with the Spitfire rear spring, the height looks good here. #10. I become a bit obsessive about getting things correct. I was a lot more work cutting out the old brackets, refurbishing them, and welding them on the Spitfire. But when I ask myself, if this GT6 convertible had come from the factory, how would they have done it. I had no choice. #11. The chrome trim plate at the top of the windshield has scratches, this I would replace. I rechromed the small aluminum trim pieces that fit over the door seal , there seems to have had a chemical reaction as they are now pitted. Never got around to installing a radio. Windshield washer pump ( button type in the dash ) does not work. Could not find a replacement. The chap who did the alignment had never seen this set up before, it handles just fine, but should be checked by someone with Triumph experience. I await your next set of questions, Regards, Dan ________________________________ Dan, WOW I love the info, thanks! Ok questions: #1 The front vented discs ? Are there the GT6 Calipers or the Spit calipers? #2 Did you change over the Spit upright and stub axle to the GT6 upright and stub axle? If not did you upgrade to the Canley larger diameter stub axle made for Spits?? #3 Is that an aluminum spacer I see on the front wheel hub to move the wheel out some to clear the caliper?? #4 I see the hardtop was painted like the car probably when you painted the car, did you have to restore the rubber weather-strip on it and the headliner or not?? #5 Dumb question for a car that looks so nice, but does everything work, lights , horn, heater, heater fan, turn signals, hi lo beams, radio, brake lights, wipers, gauges, windows, overdrive, license plate light etc etc etc #6 Did you stay with the steel wheels for any particular reason, do you have any others?? #7 Seems to sit high in the front, is the picture presenting an illusion or is it a little high? #8 Does the re cored radiator keep the larger engine cool enough? #9 Did you use the GT6 rear leaf spring or stay with the Spit one? #10 How come the rear shocks upper mount is mounted to the body vs the original frame mount?? I haven?t seen that before on GT6?s or converted Spit frames/chassis. #11 What does it need, what doesn?t work, what is wrong and needs correction?? This is a nice car please do not take all my questions as anything but wanting information, the questions are not to be critical of your car or efforts to build it. I am particular, I race Spits in vintage racing and have 4.5 of them (one broke an axle and flipped 4 times) that I already own. So yes I am serious and not just wasting your time, or like some others a picture collector. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Daniel Randolph [mailto:daniel.randolph at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:45 PM To: DPPI - Mark Craig > Subject: Re: GT6 Convertible Mark, First some introductions. I am Daniel, Professor of Mechanical Engineering. From 1993 to 2014 I was teaching at the Universidad de las Americas Puebla ( Mexico) since 2014 to present I am teaching at Beuth Hochschule f?r Technik Berlin (Germany). Please feel free to google me to see that I am legitimate. My plan was to eventually retire in the US and I wanted to build the car I always desired and one that would last me the rest of my life. Cost was of no concern as I built it. Now that I am getting close to retirement, reality sets in, I will stay in Germany. No place to store it there and no German drivers licence. Although I never had the intention of selling it, I will never have a use for it. Chapter 1, Birth of the GT6 Convertible project. Having 2 months free every summer, I would come back to the states and stay with family. During this time I would keep myself busy working on the my British car projects. It took me at least 10 summers to get my GT6 Convertible finished. Between summers, it was safely packed away in my father's garage. I think it was in 2003 that I spotted this Green Spitfire on ebay. The person selling it had won it in a storage unit auction in California. The Spitfire had been there at least 10 years protected from the elements and completely rust and accident free. I bought it and had it shipped to Kansas City where I tried to get it going. The 1500 engine had spun the thrust washer and damaged the bearing cap so I decided not to mess with this engine and build my dream car the GT6 convertible. Chapter 2. Doner GT6. Again on ebay I bought a 72 GT6 that had rust issues. I kept the engine, took the transmission with me to Mexico for a GT6 I had back there, removed the GT6 suspension, and cut out of the frame the mounting brackets for the Rotoflex IRS, kept the window vents and cut out the complete bonnet panel including the power bump. The IRS mounting brackets were welded onto the Spitfire frame, new bushings and bearings were installed. I was able to locate some of the last Metallic brand coupling which are much better than the reproduction units. The GT6 front suspension towers were mounted on the Spitfire frame, lower trunions, ball joints, tie rod end, poly bushings,new bearings, rack gator boots replaced, koni shocks completed the suspension. Chapter 3. 2.5L Engine. The engine was bored out 0.020, with TR6 pistons. I bought a TR6 crankshaft, it was ground -0.020, rods had new end bushings, new oil pump, crankshaft reground to std. profile,new set of lifters, head reworked- new unleaded exhaust seats and valves, new unleaded valve guides, new timing chain and sprockets, new rocker arms and shaft, new water pump, fuel pump, and alternator. Modern High torque starter. Front pulley machined with teeth for timing sensor, mag pickup mounted on timing cover. Distributor removed and replaced with Megajolt system. The GT6 oil pan was reused after heating the crankshaft interference area and peening it out a bit - the engine sits in the correct GT6 position. Radiator reconstructed to heavy duty specs ( 3 row core ) New GT6 stainless steel exhaust system, I had to cut 2 corners off the muffler to make it fit under the later style frame Chapter 4. Custom Heavy Duty Transmission. The standard GT6 transmission is a weak point so I had a custom heavy duty J type overdrive built by Canley Classics of England, It is built with Triumph Dolomite internals. I had two made and shipped to the states ( I sold the unused unit last year alone for $1800 taking a loss on the transportation and Broker fees ). Feel free to write Dave at Canley if you have any questions about the setup. New clutch, through out bearing, rebuilt hydraulics with silicone liquid. Chapter 5. Body. The body was stripped down to bare metal ( this was still the original paint ) no rust nor damage found. Top panel was cut out of the Spitfire, complete GT6 top panel with power bump was welded at the factory joints onto the rust free Spitfire lower section. Original factory fit tolerances are maintained. Repainted to the original Java Green color. Gas struts were added for opening the bonnet- this is a great improvement. GT6 vent windows, window glass, operating mechanism placed in the Spitfire doors. New window U channel felts, inner and outer window seals.New door seals. Door handles were originally black, replaced with new chrome units. New rubber surround for vent windows. New rubber side markers surrounds. New windshield and rubber Re-chromed front and rear bumpers. New tail light assemblies ( chrome and lenses ), New front turn light assemblies. Chapter 6, Interior. I ordered in some Connely Leather hides from England, bought new seat foams, molded carpet, Mohair top ( a type of fabric not plastic ). Hides were used to recover the seats, Parking brake console, and to cover the door panels. Door panels were fashioned after a TR4 style with map pockets. These were mounted on thin PVC panels, not the cardboard that warps when wet. Dash board was left in original conditions with the factory racing plates intact. New glove boxes, new visors, Chapter 7. Brakes. I ordered a vented conversion kit from Canley Classics, this included the disks, rebuilt calipers with widening spacers included, plus the Green Stuff pads. All brake lines were renewed. Master cylinder was re-sleeved, silicon brake fluid used. Rear brakes standard GT6, rebuilt cylinders, new brake shoes. Braided stainless steel brake hoses were installed. End note: I got a clear California title in 2004 which is the current status. I never got licence plates for it so it has only been driven around my father's community where I can get away with it. Bottom line, I have probably driven it 200 miles since I got it finished 5 summers ago. You can be assured you will not find a better example of a GT6 Convertible out there. Also if you are interested, I will through in my Triumph spares, Spitfire intake/exhaust manifolds, carburetor, window glass, spare door, door hardware, set of rear rubber bumper overrides, spitfire front suspension, lot of smaller parts. Regards, Dan Dan, Is yours the Green one?? If so I need more detailed pics, you look to have done a really good job, but pics even LOTS of them are deceiving. No slam on you or the car but your opinion of perfect and mine and or anyone else?s is always different. I say in a pic you sent me you have a hardtop, the ad didn?t mention it is it included? Dash for example looks to be new wood but I can?t really see the quality of it etc. I am still interested, although KS is a LONG way away!! I mean I want it but too much is unknown about it. I sent you a message last night about the 2.5L engine and having to raise the ride height of the car to keep enough oil pan clearance, did you get it. I was also wanting to know if you used a Spit frame and then welded the GT6 rear suspension mounts and stuff to the Spit frame. As far as the front suspension did you use GT6 bolt on frame spring uprights/towers and GT6 complete spindles and such or Spit stuff?? Are the rear brakes GT6 drums or Spit drums?? Send me a novel about it and any and all pics you got during the resto and after it is completed. I need more intel. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com <1976 Triumph GT6 Convertible.pdf>_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2153 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday. Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house. So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads. I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.? Sigh. But for now, enjoy and stay healthy. mjb. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 08:06:29 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:06:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: <5bc9431c-6f6d-a881-6103-fc7dde262eda@bradakis.com> References: <5bc9431c-6f6d-a881-6103-fc7dde262eda@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially > registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been > managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for > a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from > Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.?? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. > > I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I > have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I > certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net > will die. Sigh. Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting?? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. TeriAnn From billdentin at aol.com Sat Apr 11 08:16:18 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shocker References: <1488428525.4135535.1586614578948.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1488428525.4135535.1586614578948@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... My wife gave up sex for Lent, and I didn't find out until this morning. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Sat Apr 11 08:44:00 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143140645.4094148.1586616240944@mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday, Mark!? And thank,you for all of the time you put in and your hard work.Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 10:00 am Subject: [Fot] Birthday April 11th.? As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia.? I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that.? I took over? from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years.? Actually I may have some in my office, on 1/4 inch tape cassettes.? Every now and then I consider trying to revive some of the old HP-UX boxes I have to see if I can still read any of those tapes.? Maybe someday. Anyway, in the beginning I was routing everything through the servers at the University of Utah Computer Science Department, where I was employed.? When my fellow sys admins started noticing just how much network traffic there was on a certain box, my boss strongly suggested I make other arrangements.? So I went about getting a network connection at home.? Back then, it was not that easy, or cheap.? And as I recall, the first dedicated Team Net server was an HP box with one of the first 100+ megahertz CPUs, and even with a deal through HP, who worked closely with the U in those days the system set me back about $2,500.? Hardware has improved since then.? And that money didn't all come out of my pocket, I initiated a fund drive among the list members and got a great response.? Back then it was all checks in the mail, and I mailed a thank you postcard to every contributor, or at least most of them, no doubt I missed a few.? And for some time there was an annual fund drive to cover the rather high cost of having sufficient bandwidth from my house. So here it is 29 and just everybody has fast network available to them.?? I dropped the fund drives some years back, though folks do continue to contribute to the cause.? Now a few clicks in Paypal can take care of it, though some still prefer to send checks. Yep, things are different now.? And with the Covid-19 pandemic, a LOT different.? But the Team Net mailing lists are still chugging along, providing those spending more time at home a bit of distraction, entertainment or education as we keep our beloved vehicles rolling along the roads. I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left.? April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever.? And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die.? Sigh. But for now, enjoy and stay healthy. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Apr 11 10:19:08 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:19:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday Message-ID: ? A bit more history on team.net. Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. Bob >> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >> >> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. > > Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. > > At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. > >> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. > > Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. > > TeriAnn > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 11 12:14:27 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt Message-ID: <59954DFDD20F475BB5A331BB0A2EC5EF@VlackTK121647> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ?I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode.JVV_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ?I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. 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I had to take it all to a machine shop where they had a BIG hydraulic press to press the bearing off, and then press a new one back on. --Rocky Entriken From: Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:07 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 60833538733__170635DE-43AC-436F-9B31-D1CB800D472A.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vandecarr at aol.com Sat Apr 11 16:33:59 2020 From: vandecarr at aol.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt In-Reply-To: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27B47D97-14F5-47D8-B6CE-58A1025A0A1C@aol.com> Is this the one where they were installing the engine/trans and the shifter was still attached. Often I find myself complaining to my wife when they do stupid things. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was privileged to have both The Wiz and Bill Dentinger (co-owner of the Thunderbolt) as racing friends before they both retired from the sport. Spent many Sebring 12 hr support races with Wiz and Bob Youngdahl. Got to drive the Thunderbolt once, quite the experience. Even gave him some parts ( like a stock head) when he converted to a street car and gave it to his daughter and son-in-law. There is no doubt what so ever that if he had still been around or if they had ask Bill, they would have been directed to some TRiumph experts. But, that wouldnt have gotten the on the telly. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 4:33 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" , "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > Yeah my 1st thought too was too much end float on the mainshaft gears & probably laygear as well. > Needs an upgrade to later steel bushes, tophat, gears, 17 tooth laygear etc... > It's a very cool car though! > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Jerry Van Vlack > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 3:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > You?re right, they need a Triumph expert, and a top hat bushing. It now holds into second better?! > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vandecarr at aol.com Sat Apr 11 16:33:59 2020 From: vandecarr at aol.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thunderbolt In-Reply-To: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <100381843.5767.1586638835962@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27B47D97-14F5-47D8-B6CE-58A1025A0A1C@aol.com> Is this the one where they were installing the engine/trans and the shifter was still attached. Often I find myself complaining to my wife when they do stupid things. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was privileged to have both The Wiz and Bill Dentinger (co-owner of the Thunderbolt) as racing friends before they both retired from the sport. Spent many Sebring 12 hr support races with Wiz and Bob Youngdahl. Got to drive the Thunderbolt once, quite the experience. Even gave him some parts ( like a stock head) when he converted to a street car and gave it to his daughter and son-in-law. There is no doubt what so ever that if he had still been around or if they had ask Bill, they would have been directed to some TRiumph experts. But, that wouldnt have gotten the on the telly. > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 4:33 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" , "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > Yeah my 1st thought too was too much end float on the mainshaft gears & probably laygear as well. > Needs an upgrade to later steel bushes, tophat, gears, 17 tooth laygear etc... > It's a very cool car though! > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer via Fot > To: Jerry Van Vlack > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Apr 11, 2020 3:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thunderbolt > > You?re right, they need a Triumph expert, and a top hat bushing. It now holds into second better?! > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I?m watching Fantomworks episode on the Thunderbolt now owned by Bob Wismer?s daughter. I?ve watched this episode previously and was pretty disappointed that Fantomworks didn?t reach out to any Triumph experts when rebuilding the mechanicals. There is a bunch of poor information in the episode. >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 60833538733__170635DE-43AC-436F-9B31-D1CB800D472A.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Apr 11 17:54:54 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:54:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 Message-ID: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Sat Apr 11 17:55:19 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Amici >> How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from >> the shaft >> >> -- >> *Mike Deweerd* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Bill On 4/11/2020 7:55 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing > doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can > get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position > on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for > reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually > takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around > the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > > wrote: > > Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would > NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. > Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through > his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him > a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot > > wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving > flange from the shaft > > -- > /Mike Deweerd/ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch.? And it was a true drag race launch.? But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly.? Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts.? Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. ? VSCDA tried them a couple of times. ?Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, April 11, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 00:54:52 2020 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:54:52 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 In-Reply-To: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1221461593.7306.1586649294666@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9E846796-0B4E-4D82-A7E5-427A50C64BCA@btinternet.com> We do standing starts in the UK and Europe and I have done them since i first started racing in 1980. I have been involved in 2 accidents, at Brands Hath and Spa where a stalled car caused a massive crash, unfortunately I was involved both times and had very large repair bills. As you know I have also raced in the US and Canada and I have to say that rolling starts are way safer and i would love them to come to the UK and Europe. Keith > On 12 Apr 2020, at 02:54, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Agree with Brother Bill! I was on the front row for the first one VSCDA did. I begged them to not do it. To change there mind. They would not budge. I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. > > Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch. And it was a true drag race launch. But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly. Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. > > There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts. Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 > > And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. > > VSCDA tried them a couple of times. Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive? http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Btw... that famous photo the 33 tr was driven by Mr. Bob Oker 1957. Good yr for triumph team > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Agree with Brother Bill! I was on the front row for the first one VSCDA did. I begged them to not do it. To change there mind. They would not budge. I told them if my car blew upon at the start from dumping the clutch at red line it was on their watch if there was a huge crash. > > Luckily, it neither blew up, nor stalled, nor broke the clutch. And it was a true drag race launch. But in the mirror I saw an awful lot of cars spreading out wildly. Luckily no crashes but I guess they learned it wasnt the best plan overall. > > There's a reason SCCA no longer does standing starts. Need a reminder, watch F1 when it comes back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Apr 11, 2020 5:29 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mike Rothschild and Robert Johns. Sebring 1957. #33 > > And a "LeMan" start, which I never cared for. > > VSCDA tried them a couple of times. Not a good idea with so much diversity in equipment and talent in vIntage racing. > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Saturday, April 11, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 07:18:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87A21DAA-A474-4043-A40E-E296BCAA5204@aol.com> Thank you all so much for starting, evolving and maintaining this forum. It is one of the most helpful and friendly groups, whether on-line or in person. It?s about great, fun cars and a greater group of people! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > A bit more history on team.net. > > Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. > > Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. > > Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. > > Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. > > Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. > > Bob > >>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. >> >> Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. >> >> At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. >> >>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. >> >> Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 07:18:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87A21DAA-A474-4043-A40E-E296BCAA5204@aol.com> Thank you all so much for starting, evolving and maintaining this forum. It is one of the most helpful and friendly groups, whether on-line or in person. It?s about great, fun cars and a greater group of people! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > A bit more history on team.net. > > Bill and I went to school together at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the early 80?s where we worked on some of the very early Sun microcomputers. We both frequented the Student Auto Shop, autocrossed, and worked TSD rallye?s, and were officers of Empire Motor Sports Club. > > Later we shared space at a friend?s garage we all rented bays in, Bill with his Honda wagon rallye car, his Mustang, and when he got home from few years in England, his Land Rovers. > > Throughout his travels, which were many, times living abroad, my times living across the US, we stayed in touch. Bill was a fixture at our annual thanksgiving party and trek to the Jazz fest at Saratoga for over 30 years. When he got ill, he put a great deal of thought into his friends. His home, a small house with an apple orchard, named ?Wee Farm? was sold to a good friend and family. His Rovers were passed to good friends up the road who were also enthusiasts, while I was entrusted with some marvelous medium format cameras, a small collection of Heuer rallye stopwatches (they read to 1/100th of a minute) and team.net. > > Team.net has been secured and is called out in my will as being held in perpetuity for the good of internet automotive enthusiasts everywhere. Mark, thankfully and most ably, handles the mechanics of keeping the mailing list in check and has authority to keep it going. We get many offers to purchase the domain a year, most meaningless, but three or four in the five figure range. But it is not to be sold, it exists in the spirit in which Bill, and in which Mark have dedicated themselves, for the good of all interested in the fellowship of motor sports and ownership of interesting automobiles. > > Happy Birthday Mark! And thanks from the bottom of my heart for managing the mailing lists that have made up so much of my life these past 30 plus years. > > Bob > >>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:06, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?On 4/11/20 6:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> April 11th. As many of you know, the domain team.net was officially registered on April 11, 1991, by the late Bill Caloccia. I have been managing the mailing lists on autox.team.net since then, actually for a while before that. I took over from Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, and I wish I had archives of those first few years. >> >> Dale Cook worked at Apollo Computers and had an MGB he kept in a single car garage that had a dirt floor (if memory serves). In 1987 (maybe late 86) I was actively asking TR3 related questions on rec.autos when I received an email from Dale. He was starting an email group for British cars and asked if I wanted to join. Thus the British car mail list was formed for all British cars. A discussion during the first year was what to call th group. Everyone liked SOL. the original thought was Sons of Lucas. I of course objected and it was decided Scions of Lucas would be the official group name.? The acronym LBC was coined of Little British Car which never felt quite right for the Land Rover and Bentley crowds with Large British Cars. >> >> At the end of 1990 or very early 1991 Bill Caloccia, a Land Rover owner, created the Land Rover Owners (LRO) mail list. This was the first marque list to be split off from the original British Car mail list. LRO still exists today. Not long afterwords the original British Car mail list spawned individual marque list for just about every British car marque. Some survive today, some died young. >> >>> I plan to keep it going as long as I can, who knows how many years I have left. April 11th is also my birthday, 66 this year, and I certainly won't live forever. And I fear that when I die, Team Net will die. Sigh. >> >> Happy birthday Mark, but I consider 66 to be yet on the young side. My suggestion is to search for a younger computer savvy person who could take over the lists, move the lists to a hosting company, and set the domains & hosting? up for dual ownership. That way when you do pass your designated replacement could carry on. Better yet, do that then be healthy for a long time yet. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 07:42:48 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:42:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars Message-ID: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 08:11:07 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> References: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joe, interesting reading. Charlie Rainville, the guy who built my Spitfire, won his class (GT1.3) in an Alfa (traitor), And some guy named Shelby was DQ'd for illegal fueling. mike h On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:43 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 08:30:16 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:30:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness Message-ID: Not virus related "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 09:05:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. Message-ID: FOT, Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. Thanks to: Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware Ya. I did some stuff, too. Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200412_091752.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 48204 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Apr 12 09:12:28 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:12:28 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101d610dc$c8674930$5935db90$@gmail.com> Very cool! Cheers Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Joe Alexander via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. April 2020 17:05 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. FOT, Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. Thanks to: Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware Ya. I did some stuff, too. Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. From gasket.works at gte.net Sun Apr 12 09:34:42 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars References: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> This is very important information. ?I believe i?am in error. ?The friends of triumph web?site historic photos likely?needs?correction too.? Mr Okers son contacted me some years ago about this. ?And said his dad was driving.....Was there another year where the tr?/?alfa / mercedez were enterd with same car?numbers? ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Sunday, April 12, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 10:38:53 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:38:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> References: <903783687.4414174.1586705682491@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7BDEE009-B206-44F8-9998-F50041B9C17B@gmail.com> I am going to assume the your father in law took the first stint. This a very cool shot. I have not contact Bob Johns, yet, but will if he doesn?t see this. I will look up the results for 1958. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?This is very important information. I believe i am in error. The friends of triumph web site historic photos likely needs correction too. > > Mr Okers son contacted me some years ago about this. And said his dad was driving..... > Was there another year where the tr / alfa / mercedez were enterd with same car numbers? > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > The results from 1957 at Sebring. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:00:38 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:00:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a > consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National > Championship. > > Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. > Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a > couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. > > The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. > > Thanks to: > Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. > Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. > Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. > Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware > > Ya. I did some stuff, too. > > Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:05:34 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:05:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Kas. Brendan will be equal to challenge. I am good yet for a light wind. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Apr 12 11:07:32 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:07:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars In-Reply-To: References: <1FFEAE4B-1F61-48DF-BFA9-E0B9A9A776E6@gmail.com>, Message-ID: << 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? >> Ha! My dad had a Renault Dauphine before I was born. Before he bought his 356. The Dauphine was NOT his favorite car, but it generated some great stories. One day he went "rocketing" away from a stoplight and up an on ramp. He was pulled over by a cop and accused of speeding. He pulled out his pink slip and offered it to the cop, telling him to take the car back to the stoplight and if he could get it up to "speeding" speeds at the top of the on ramp, he could have it. He got off without a ticket. The Dauphine died on top of a rock pile at the end of a farm field in the Kettle Moraine (a hilly, twisty bit of southeastern Wisconsin where the glaciers dumped their load at the end of their run - where Road America is located). Dad had a tendency to drive pretty close to the limit in whatever he was driving there, whether he liked the car or not. The Duaphine slid wide off the road and up onto a rock pile, taking out most of the undercarriage and holing the sump and the fuel tank. He was worried it was maybe not totaled enough, so he flicked his cigarette butt into it and also burned to the ground. Dad was kind of a badass back in the day. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:24:54 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars interesting to look at, a lot of DNFs, and 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:24:54 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hours 1957 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars interesting to look at, a lot of DNFs, and 3 factory Renault Dauphines? 4 dr sedan? Have a good Easter Brian On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: The results from 1957 at Sebring. https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Sebring-1957-03-23.html Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:08:43 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:08:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B422E23-320A-4165-A55D-0310AEEFEBEB@gmail.com> I used to be able to roll a boat over, land on the centerboard, bring it back up, and never get wet. Now I would just fall in the water and stay there until help comes. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:42:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:42:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas and his Sailing Career. The Contender is in Iowa. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, Wow! That looks way different than the day we hauled it out of Doug?s shop... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > What an amazing boat that the Contender is. Single man sailed from a trapeze. The hiking stick has a hinge in the middle of the two four foot segments. Tacking in a breeze is a bunch of quick work and not easy the first couple times. 210 sq feet of sail make this boat pound for pound one of the most powerful there is and a terrific ride on the waves in the ocean. It is a true hotrod. Joe and Breneden have done masterful job of restoration. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:06 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> Kas also had a very successful sailing career. So much, that he was a consultant to a major sailboat manufacturer. He owns at least one National Championship. >> >> Alexander Racing acquired one of his sailboats and had it shipped to Iowa. Hull repair, new gelcoat came first. Now, new hardware and lines, we are a couple of weeks from launching the restored boat. >> >> The Contender. A highly technical single handed sailing boat. >> >> Thanks to: >> Kas Kastner. Coordinated the purchase from Doug Brown?s widow, Polly. >> Brad Eells. Supported the shipping to Iowa. >> Cory Tiefenthaler. Hull Repair & new Gelcoat. >> Brendan Alexander. Rigging and Hardware >> >> Ya. I did some stuff, too. >> >> Sailing, in modest terms, is in its third generation for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Krantz ReK Racing > On April 12, 2020 at 3:05 PM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Apr 12 15:18:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:18:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on? Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and calories. Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. OBTW: I supplied the can! Great times. Cheers Bill PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another time. On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Not virus related > "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady > Moss > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Apr 12 15:50:52 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:50:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: These guys can make them too. http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 15:53:11 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2616FC1E-E7C6-4AD1-937F-121963A216DB@aol.com> I?ve had one on order from Moldex since December...... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 15:53:11 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2616FC1E-E7C6-4AD1-937F-121963A216DB@aol.com> I?ve had one on order from Moldex since December...... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 16:27:14 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: References: <030DCD91-D32D-43C2-B808-FCE82AF213CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. Dave H. > On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > These guys can make them too. > > http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 16:36:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. > Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 12 16:36:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. > Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 18:12:32 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:12:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So it is Riverisde 1958. The Caravan Motel, where all the races stayed. I am waiting to check in the fellow ahead of me is Sterling Moss. He finished up and I introduced myself, he wanted to know what I was racing. I told him a TR-3 and he smiled and then talked to me for twenty minutes about my car and the Triumphs in general & the track and racing and was so kind and truly interested. Then he spoke about his Aston Martin. He took the time was very kind. Grand guy and a terrific racer. Always been my favorite. On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. > > Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. > > At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend > warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and > calories. > > Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme > up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series > sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and > Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like > the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the > stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped > them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great > fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. > > Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. > > OBTW: I supplied the can! > > Great times. > > Cheers Bill > > PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was > second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped > out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We > had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another > time. > On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Not virus related > "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss > > https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Apr 12 18:14:28 2020 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vangoughv) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:14:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sir Stirling Moss: Motor racing legend dies aged 90 after long illness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is a great story! LOL Happy Easter everyone.. Vince > On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Everyone. Happy Easter. > > Ah Sir Stirling. I have a great story about him. > > At the Mid Ohio Can Am in '71 I was on Oscar Koveleski's crew (weekend warrior). Those were the days when all the talk was about dieting and calories. > > Oscar's wife Elaine and his mechanic Jack Deren's wife Terry got a scheme up: They got an empty J Wax can and cleaned it out. J Wax was the series sponsor. Sir Stirling was the spokesman and celeb at the races. Elaine and Terry filled up the can with butterscotch pudding which looks about like the wax. They sashayed up to Moss and asked how many calories were in the stuff. Then they swirled their fingers in the can's contents and plopped them in their mouths. Sir Stirling's eyes about came out of his head! Great fun and he took it well. He was quite a guy. > > Think I can make this crap up? It's in one of Pete Lyons' Can Am books. > > OBTW: I supplied the can! > > Great times. > > Cheers Bill > > PS: At that race Sir Jackie Stewart won in a Lola and Jo Siffert was second in a Porsche 917 PA. Both Denny Hulme and Peter Revson had dropped out. Third was Tony Adamowicz in Oscar's McLaren M8B; Bruce's 1969 car. We had a good party that night! I'll tell you a story about that at another time. > > On 4/12/2020 10:30 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> Not virus related >> "It was one lap too many, he just closed his eyes," said his wife Lady Moss >> https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52261216 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 18:46:39 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:46:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Billet crank shaft In-Reply-To: References: <1351372270.1464928.1586730434819@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I did not know that. But, of course they do. DH Sent from my iPad > On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Phil Gott wrote: > > Moldex will do a ?dummy main? as well. That is what I ordered. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, a number of TR racers use Marine cranks. Unlike the Moldex, which looks like the factory design, the Marine unit has a 5 main bearing design, two dummy mains. The Marine crank calls for grinding the webbing in the block for clearance of the counter weights. >> Dave H. >>> On April 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> These guys can make them too. >>> >>> http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Does any one on the list have a used billet TR3 crank shaft? The only place I can find to get one is Moldex and I can?t get one their website. Thanks, Lorne >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From outlook_91706A5C9905ADA5 at outlook.com Sun Apr 12 21:59:54 2020 From: outlook_91706A5C9905ADA5 at outlook.com (Robert Johns) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 03:59:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results Message-ID: Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 08:42:06 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bob, I am glad I brought it up. It makes a great story to retell....especially from you. A shining moment in Triumph History. The Kastner Cup is still on......until it?s not. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Robert Johns via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. > AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:15:06 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] !957 Sebring Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, Thanks for the corrections. The records should be changed. Too important. What a shining day in the history of Triumphs. It was good to revisit it. But it makes us wonder why the design of the throw out bearing fastener was not changed, instead of following us all the way thru the TR6. We all wonder about the schedule in June. And hope that the right decisions will be made. Provisionally, we will see you and Jean, there. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Robert Johns via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Here we go again. Morty knows the facts about the published results being incorrect. Morty is right about the car that is about to go under the bridge at the race start is being driven by Bob Oaker. Mike Rothschild started the race with # 34, the white TR3 with the white top. I took over in that car about 1:00 and finished my second shift of the race in 19th place. Both of the other two TR3s developed clutch problems (sheared throw out bearing shaft pin). The spare third car # 70 was withdrawn. #33 continued to be driven primarily by Bob Oaker, as Pennybacker was not able to drive without the clutch. # 33 finished in 21 place. The record keeping was very loose in those days. > AAA was running things and no one from the officials committee bothered to make a final check as what drivers were to drive what cars. There was never any question in the Triumph Pit as to what the driver arrangement was to be. Mike and I practiced in only #34. In 2007 I went to the race and took with me all kinds of data. I went to the officials office and discussed the incorrect record issue with them. We had agreement and I was assured that the next time the record book was reprinted, corrections would be made. I have the trophy that was presented to the team for the first in class win. This happened within a year of when Mike Cook died. He discovered the trophies in a closet of the Jaguar Headquarters in New Jersey. If we have the Kastner Cup, I will bring it for all to enjoy. The photo that is on facebook as the heading of my facebook page is of the Triumph team. I will try to add that photo and the photo of the winning car with Mike and myself and the class winning trophy sitting on the hood (bonnet). There was none of the American magazines that got the results correct. There is an English car magazine that did get it right. If you see me, ask me how I could have, should have, gotten 18th place instead of 19th. It was the way of gentleman racing in those days. Once again, I hope that this will put this matter to bed. Thank you everybody for having an interest. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:23:47 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:23:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering wheel hub In-Reply-To: <107721028.2871797.1586686086652@mail.yahoo.com> References: <107721028.2871797.1586686086652@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thank you everyone it has been identified i will post the one i make because both Moss and Mota-lita are Covid Closed for now. Mike Deweerd On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:08 AM David Gott wrote: > Hi Mike, > > That looks like a Springalex steering wheel boss to me. Try this: > > http://www.springalexltd.com > > Hope that helps! > > Cheers! > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:59 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > Can anyone identify this steering wheel hub ? > It was in my #77 TR4 when I bought it > It has the Triumph sized spline and bolts onto what looks like a TR6 or > spitfire steering wheel > I?d like to find another one for a customer who wants a Styla steering > wheel hub adapted into his TR2 > Thanks in advance > Mike > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a 'bird' under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The 'birds' seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Apr 13 12:04:17 2020 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:04:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68772704ACA34AE2BAD9F5A33FDD2D6B@DESKTOPF2062B6> Much to my surprise, my message did get through. It is not in my sent file. Someone please explain that. Now, a new subject. Sterling's passing and memories of him. In 1955, on one of many trips I took to the "Ring" to see what might be going on between races. As usual, I was walking the track side pit row (across the track from the Hotel) and there was Sterling doing nothing special along the same route. I engaged him in conversation and after a bit, he says, let us go get a coffee at the Hotel caf?. So, we did, and had a very nice conversation. Fond memories. Mordy, sorry about the miss spelling. I know better. In too big of a hurry. R.Johns -----Original Message----- From: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Photos from 1957 Sebring (Bob Johns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:33:55 -0400 From: "Bob Johns" To: Subject: [Fot] Photos from 1957 Sebring Message-ID: <89E50570133544ACA5C8D9E53F2E089E at DESKTOPF2062B6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here are three photos from 57 Sebring. Writeup explaining the confusion was done last night, but got lost sending. Will take time to recompose today. Morty is correct and understands the issue. R. Johns From: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:24 AM To: Robert Johns Subject: 3 items Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: #34 (SRW 991) and others at Sebring.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 86286 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1957 Sebring 1 st. in class trophy prestation.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 135041 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1957 Sebring 019.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 4172684 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 111 ************************************* From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 12:17:03 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Photos from 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1272479840.5048144.1586801823434@mail.yahoo.com> Mr Johns, I am doing some research for an article featuring you, my friend. I have been working on a list of questions and would love to do a sit-down interview with you. I am hoping that you will be at the Kastner Cup and hope it is not canceled. Let me know if you are game for that. If anything, we could do it over the phone if the Cup is canceled or if you are not attending. We can play that by ear. Thank you sir. Please stay safe. I hope to talk to you soon... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Apr 13 13:28:00 2020 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moving parts References: <11482BDA-EC41-4DCD-AF6D-DCF801FBC6F1.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <11482BDA-EC41-4DCD-AF6D-DCF801FBC6F1@aol.com> Amici, I have a chance to get a non-triumph part and I want to know if someone can get it transported closer to me. I am an hour away from VIR. It?s a crown Victoria front suspension (I have pictures) and it?s in Sainte Genevieve MO, I am in Durham NC. I would ask you to pay for it (I?ll send you the money first), transport it, and I?ll get it where we decide to switch it off. I know with the lockdown it might take a while to transport and such, I am willing to wait. Sincerely, Christopher Bock SeaCubeCo.com 609-319-4322 From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Apr 13 16:30:33 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:30:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: BADGE ID References: <011401d611e2$96d04140$c470c3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Undiscovered Classics > Subject: RE: FYI > Date: April 13, 2020 at 6:26:33 PM EDT > To: "'Tom Householder'" > Reply-To: > > Hi Tom. Thanks for sending my way. Stay healthy out there?. > > Geoff > > > From: Tom Householder > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:07 PM > To: Undiscovered.Classics at gmail.com > Subject: FYI > > > http://britishcarlinks.com > > > > New mystery car! > > > > > From down under comes this very interesting mystery car. If you know what it is the owner can be reached via the link below. "I have just purchased this a Triumph based sports racing car in Australia it is believed to be a early 60s car, the body appears to be to well made to be a one off (but always possible). I am looking for any information people may have, unfortunately the previous owner has passed away and his family know very little about this car any information you or your website may have would be appreciated , I hope to rebuild it and race it in historic racing but to do so I need to establish more information about it to have them accept it. photos can be viewed on the attached link, the car is all there (just disassembled) bar one side of the front suspension. which appears to be standard so it should not be a problem to replace. http://users.tpg.com.au/normv/RACECAR/RACECAR.html . > > Thanks > Norm Vesty" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 Onderwerp: [Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pulled the stub and re-positioned the bearing away from the collar on the axle by about 1/4" to 3/8" (around 6 or 8 mm) and bolted it back up. Leak-free! The bearing moved fairly easily on the shaft. The flange, on the other hand - I have had them on a press and used 30 tons of force and the stub and flange did not separate. Note that when you use a press, do not use a universal collar to support the flange or you will bend the flange. Regarding whether there's a"fix" for the bearing walking on the shaft, the answer is: there's a collar machined on the differential side of the stub axle that keeps the axle stub from pulling out and if forces try to push the stub towards the differential eventually the bearing bottoms on the output flange. But that stub position can move around a bit. Good luck! Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 6:21:27 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lewis Hamilton has to chase his seventh F1 title, Stirling Moss could afford to get none. Marcel ________________________________ Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 Onderwerp: [Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! 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I'm talking about an TR4a IRS : maybe all IRS diff's are not the same : on a TR4A that collar is pressed upon the half shaft not machined and the bearing is on the diff side of the collar. Marcel Van: "Robert Lang" Aan: "fot" , "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 14:02:59 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi, It's funny how some things seem to happen coincidentally - I had a customer car in the shop this week with a leaky stub axle. I had a re-conditioned stub axle on the shelf and bolted it in. The seal was clearly not riding on the axle seal surface. I took a test spin and "leak city". Pulled the stub and re-positioned the bearing away from the collar on the axle by about 1/4" to 3/8" (around 6 or 8 mm) and bolted it back up. Leak-free! The bearing moved fairly easily on the shaft. The flange, on the other hand - I have had them on a press and used 30 tons of force and the stub and flange did not separate. Note that when you use a press, do not use a universal collar to support the flange or you will bend the flange. Regarding whether there's a"fix" for the bearing walking on the shaft, the answer is: there's a collar machined on the differential side of the stub axle that keeps the axle stub from pulling out and if forces try to push the stub towards the differential eventually the bearing bottoms on the output flange. But that stub position can move around a bit. Good luck! Regards, Bob Lang On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 6:21:27 AM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed. I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glen. -----Original Message----- To: fubog1 Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi Glen,that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now!Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: ?TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed.I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed.Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lorne From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 14 08:57:22 2020 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (tr4 at wi.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:57:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1154185234.340219695.1586848721752.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <629279658.341031746.1586857736001.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1389499639.128114.1586865366758@mail.yahoo.com> <2123421976.341757734.1586868021388.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> Guys, I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster can happen. There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. Steve Yott From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare job due to a stuck flange... Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... Glen. -----Original Message----- To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing Hi Glen, that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now! Marcel _____ Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed. I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. Glen Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing _____ Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Chip Collingwood" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix? Marcel Aan: "Jay Galbreath" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck! Jay WPTA On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot > wrote: Amici How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2574955 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 09:08:32 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing In-Reply-To: <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> References: <1154185234.340219695.1586848721752.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <629279658.341031746.1586857736001.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1389499639.128114.1586865366758@mail.yahoo.com> <2123421976.341757734.1586868021388.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <866618471.152962.1586869102510@mail.yahoo.com> <002801d6126d$00e6cfb0$02b46f10$@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <909336416.199189.1586876912999@mail.yahoo.com> Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience.A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever they're disassembled.Glen -----Original Message----- To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing #yiv1772110011 #yiv1772110011 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv1772110011 #yiv1772110011 p.yiv1772110011MsoNormal, #yiv1772110011 li.yiv1772110011MsoNormal, #yiv1772110011 div.yiv1772110011MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1772110011 a:link, #yiv1772110011 span.yiv1772110011MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1772110011 .yiv1772110011MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv1772110011 div.yiv1772110011WordSection1 {}#yiv1772110011 Guys,I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press and good fitting press plates.? Please do not heat these up and quench or anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs.? I have come across many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway slot and evidence of severe heating.? You are playing with disaster if these should completely fail under a load.? And as stated if the small step on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster can happen. ?There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?..? I have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. ?Steve Yott ?From: Fot On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing ?Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare job due to a stuck flange...Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged.They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't.If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy...Glen. ? ?-----Original Message----- To: fubog1 Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearingHi Glen,that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have been replaced in that way by now!Marcel ?Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: ?TR6 inner shaft bearing ?There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been removed.I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to change the bearing when the hub can't be removed.GlenNote... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure ?-----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing ? ?Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Chip Collingwood" Verzonden: Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing ?I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. Is that common? Is there a simple fix?MarcelAan: "Jay Galbreath" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing ?the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. ?On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: Hah!? I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. Good Luck!? Jay? ? ?WPTA ?On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: Amici?How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from the shaft? ?-- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In all cases I had to resort to a 50 ton or 100,000lb press using a large bearing splitter against the axle flange. I keep a trash can under the press to collect the ejected parts as the trash is a good cushion. When the parts separate there is usually an explosive bang when it comes apart. I did these on an OTC 50 ton press. I plan on trying this out again now on my vintage (say old) Carolina 50 ton press. The first one of these I did back in the mid 90's I brought it into our Development Shop (big 3 engineering) and we tried to separate one. The flame wrench didn't help and despite the press being modern and the hydraulics pumped to the ram it wasn't enough to separate it. It wasn't close to a 50 ton press. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:08 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less > as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience. > A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever > they're disassembled. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Guys, > I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you > that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press > and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or > anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across > many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway > slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if > these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step > on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster > can happen. > > There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I > have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. > > Steve Yott > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM > *To:* van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare > job due to a stuck flange... > Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there > isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little > loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in > those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. > They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. > If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench > will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... > Glen. > > > -----Original Message----- > To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > Hi Glen, > that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have > been replaced in that way by now! > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the > bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been > removed. > I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to > change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. > Glen > Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Chip Collingwood" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by > as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. > Is that common? Is there a simple fix? > Marcel > *Aan: *"Jay Galbreath" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't > take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart > for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the > shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a > 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 > tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont > think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: > > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hesitate to mention my experiences because I'm sure there are some risks involved but they work for me and I have no failures. I have access to a 40 ton press at work but I have only needed it twice. On the stub axles hubs I have had good luck with a huge three leg puller. I loosen the nut to protect the threads, set up the puller under tension and give it a heavy smack on the end with a 2 lb sledge. If I'm lucky I hear a loud bang and the puller falls to the bench. If that doesn't work I take it to my Harbor Freight 10 ton press and leave it under tension while I tap the sides a bit. They have popped there too. If not, I reinstall the stub axle in the diff and try another smack. That usually does the trick. I have resorted to to a few back and forth trips to the press but I always win. I should probably pick an old busted up diff to use as a "tool" for this but I've been doing this as a part of the disassembly. For the IRS hubs I have one of the hub pullers that a list member made a run of years ago. I don't always win. I have ruined at least one vise, snapped the head on a 1/2" breaker bar and twisted the nut head off the puller screw in trying to separate the hubs. I resort to laying them out on the floor with appropriate bar levers before packing them off to the press at work. I have bent just one flange and that was before I bought the puller. I bought a cheap large at HF to adjust the hubs. It took a long time to grind it down to be narrow enough to fit but it works. Bob Kramer On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > Steve I agree with all of your points, I wasn't advocating anything less > as a satisfactory repair, just relating everyday real-world experience. > A crack check should always be SOP on the axles/flanges/hubs whenever > they're disassembled. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > To: 'fubog1' ; van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 10:57 am > Subject: RE: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Guys, > I have rebuilt over a hundred of these over the years and can tell you > that some of them will require up to 40 tons of pressure on a good press > and good fitting press plates. Please do not heat these up and quench or > anything of the sort, same with the stock wheel hubs. I have come across > many flanges both inner and outer that had cracks running along the keyway > slot and evidence of severe heating. You are playing with disaster if > these should completely fail under a load. And as stated if the small step > on the shaft has been removed by some hack get a new one or again disaster > can happen. > > There is only one way to fix these parts and that is the right way?.. I > have been sickened by some of the means and ways dispersed.. > > Steve Yott > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *fubog1 via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:58 AM > *To:* van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > Yeah when a simple straightforward seal replacement turns into a nightmare > job due to a stuck flange... > Again, it's not the correct/preferred method, but considering that there > isn't normally any significant axial load on it, assembled with a little > loctite green will keep the bearing in place, and it'll get the job done in > those cases where a big $$ axle & flange are at risk of being damaged. > They usually come apart OK but every now & then I get one that won't. > If the press doesn't pop it, sometimes a heat flange to cherry & quench > will, but I'm sure that doesn't do any good for the metallurgy... > Glen. > > > -----Original Message----- > To: fubog1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > Hi Glen, > that is explaining the issue. It seems that lot's of these bearings have > been replaced in that way by now! > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 13:56:06 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > There's a slight step on the shaft that prevents inward movement of the > bearing, relative to the shaft; if your shaft slid out, that step has been > removed. > I've run into this several times, it's done in a last-ditch effort to > change the bearing when the hub can't be removed. > Glen > Note... I'm not advocating this as a correct repair procedure > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:48 am > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 inner shaft bearing > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Chip Collingwood" > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 14 april 2020 09:18:41 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > I discovered a couple of times that the bearing did move on the shaft by > as much as 1/2". As a result the shaft had moved outwards by that amount. > Is that common? Is there a simple fix? > Marcel > *Aan: *"Jay Galbreath" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Zondag 12 april 2020 01:55:19 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] TR6 inner shaft bearing > > the flange fits on a tapered shaft which is the bear...the bearing doesn't > take much at all...if you do happen to find a shop that can get it apart > for you make sure you make a note of the bearing position on the > shaft...take a measurement before you press it off for reference. I use a > 50 ton press to get the flange apart...usually takes at least 20 > tons...sometimes more...always wrap a towel around the assembly...dont > think I've ever had one i couldn't get apart. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 7:49 PM Jay Galbreath via Fot > wrote: > > Hah! I just attempted that this week. The two stub shafts would NOT press > out even with 10 tons and red hot from my firewrench. Scott Harper at Team > Triumph came to my rescue and went through his stash to find a couple that > did press out for him. So give him a call if you can't break them apart. > Good Luck! Jay WPTA > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Amici > How much force is typically required to separate the driving flange from > the shaft > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The crash > at Goodwood almost did kill Sir Moss ... > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Stirling Moss : 4 times F1 runner up but no F1 championship title, yet he > is recognised as a true all times great. Lewis Hamilton has to chase his > seventh F1 title, Stirling Moss could afford to get none. > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 13 april 2020 18:16:29 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Stirling Moss at Stardust Raceway > > The year is 1968 and I am a Jr. in High School in Las Vegas. The Can Am > series has been coming to Las Vegas for a few years to the Stardust > International Raceway. The track was west of the Strip by several miles > (now a housing development). Ditching class on a Friday I go out to watch > practice and after getting a ticket for under $5 I head for the pits. Jim > Hall is there with the high wing Chaparral, the mighty McLaren?s of Bruce > and Denny Hulme are warming up. John Surtees and the magnificent sounding > Ferrari is sorting out mechanicals. Just being able to walk up to any car > and driver, take a picture, get an autograph, what a privilege. > > > > While watching the action I hear an English voice over my shoulder. I > turn and there stands Stirling Moss, a ?bird? under each arm, and he is > explaining what is going on to two of the most gorgeous gals this 16 year > old had ever seen. I was so stunned I could not even ask for an autograph > but I sure watched as he wandered the pits and talked to all the drivers. > The ?birds? seemed to be ever so happy to be given such a personal tour. > What a legend was Sir Stirling Moss, in more ways than one! > > > > Cheers all and Stay Safe, Ken > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Apr 15 04:17:57 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 06:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs Message-ID: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable races... https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? Take a look at what race was ranked #1... Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Apr 15 08:15:19 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs In-Reply-To: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> References: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <267F7666AE4944E881A565C9F00E14C7@VlackTK121647> Just watched it again and I was as excited as watching it the first time. Wow 11 years ago, time fly's. Just fun. JVV -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 6:17 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable races... https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? Take a look at what race was ranked #1... Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 11:52:35 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Message-ID: Listerati Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. Thanks Bud Sent from my Commodore 64 From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 12:11:30 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:11:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Redline References: <20E95360-56E0-407F-91F6-49A7C10CA73F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> Sent from my Commodore 64 Begin forwarded message: > From: Bud > Date: April 15, 2020 at 11:29:41 AM MDT > To: Bud > Subject: Redline > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1479.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 88230 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 12:22:30 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bud, I got this from my tranny and diff guy, John Esposito at Quantum Mechanics. Not a direct answer to your question but it does reference Redline diff oils "For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says GL5). For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 spec synthetic oils." mike h On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:54 PM Bud Rolofson via Fot wrote: > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal > in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it > "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic > make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of > water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are > "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the > shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff > with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 12:40:01 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Car Quest EP 90 GL-4 can be purchased at Advance Auto Parts. I think it is special order but some may even carry it on the shelf. I like the GL4 in my Detroit Locker because I can drain and refill it often. I can do that with synthetics too, at a much higher price. The same reason I use Valvoline VR-1 non synthetic oil. CARQUEST Grease and Lube EP 90 GL-4 Gear Oil, 1 Gallon No Reviews 30 DAY REPLACEMENT IF DEFECTIVE Part # 990-01 Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:22 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Bud, I got this from my tranny and diff guy, John Esposito at Quantum > Mechanics. Not a direct answer to your question but it does reference > Redline diff oils > > "For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 > spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says > GL5). > > For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 > spec synthetic oils." > > mike h > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:54 PM Bud Rolofson via Fot > wrote: > >> Listerati >> Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal >> in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it >> "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic >> make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? >> I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of >> water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are >> "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the >> shelf. >> Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff >> with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. >> >> Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. >> Thanks >> Bud >> >> Sent from my Commodore 64 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don at dcphotos.com Wed Apr 15 12:53:48 2020 From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:53:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> Bud, Pretty sure, at least with the Spit/GT6 diffs, once you weld them you no longer have any yellow bits to worry about. Don > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 > From: Bud Rolofson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 123 > ************************************* From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 15 14:39:45 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 22:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> References: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> Message-ID: <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproof-gear-oil In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but surely GL4 does contain sulfur. Again in general, synthetic gear oil is much better : the differential will run at a lower temperature because of the lower friction of the synthetic oils, compared to the mineral oils. I surely would not be afraid to use the Redline oil gear oils in differentials and dogboxes. There is some confusion about synthetic gear oil and synchro rings : because of the low friction, the synchrorings would not grip enough upon the sliding surfaces of the gearbox hubs, preventing the synchronising, but eating the rings? I don't think so. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 15 april 2020 20:53:48 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Bud, Pretty sure, at least with the Spit/GT6 diffs, once you weld them you no longer have any yellow bits to worry about. Don > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:35 -0600 > From: Bud Rolofson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Listerati > Does anyone know if the Redline gear oil is going to eat the yellow metal in my Spitfire differential? Is it GL4 or GL5. Only info I found said it "exceeds GL5" without being any more specific. Does being All Synthetic make a difference in its ability to eat TR diffs? > I drained a spare Spit diff of some nasty old oil plus a little bit of water (do diffs condensate water internally like gas tanks since they are "open air vented) and I want to put gear oil so it's ready to race off the shelf. > Full disclosure I raced last season with it in my welded Spit 4:11 diff with no problems, no leaks, but who knows about the yellow parts. > > Living the dream of getting caught up on projects in the shop. > Thanks > Bud > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 123 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 15 15:07:38 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:07:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <14EF01F2-52CB-4D5A-BB5D-46CD1B18C40A@dcphotos.com> <409814618.348764323.1586983185204.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. According to the white paper at https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half and can also contribute to rust problems." I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). -- Randall ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > > https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo f-gear-oil > In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > surely GL4 does contain sulfur. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:18:41 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:18:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Redline In-Reply-To: <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> References: <20E95360-56E0-407F-91F6-49A7C10CA73F@comcast.net> <268A498F-6002-4C91-92C3-1F37330D9128@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Bud, I've been using Redline MT-90 Synthetic GL-4 in the Spitfire Gearbox and Diff without trouble. https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil I Emailed Redline regarding the proper fluid for my Detroit Locker Diff and they suggested Lightweight Shockproof. The MT in MT-90 stands for 'Manual Transmission'. Lightweight Shockproof is made for differentials: https://www.redlineoil.com/lightweight-shockproof Hope this helps. Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:11 AM Bud Rolofson via Fot wrote: > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Bud > *Date:* April 15, 2020 at 11:29:41 AM MDT > *To:* Bud > *Subject:* *Redline * > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:28:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that > they do > > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > > > According to the white paper at > > > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the > other > > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear > axles. > > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a > WAG). > > > > -- Randall > > > > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > >> > >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > > f-gear-oil > >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Apr 15 15:47:50 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:47:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> Ok, mine are all welded anyway. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do >> > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. >> > >> > According to the white paper at >> > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf >> > >> > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils >> > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers >> > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at >> > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive >> > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A >> > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half >> > and can also contribute to rust problems." >> > >> > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other >> > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" >> > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. >> > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid >> > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). >> > >> > -- Randall >> > >> > >> > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo >> > f-gear-oil >> >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Apr 15 15:52:40 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:52:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> References: <10AF93B9-8E72-498C-B01E-2048EDBC9A70@me.com> Message-ID: <7eaddf6c56404ba48ed83ad4dc5fb828@dieselperformanceparts.com> I don?t know much except what I get told by folks much more experienced than me, but I was told by some folks that have been running Spits longer than forever that if you?re running a stock tranny use straight 90 weight as it helps the syncros catch up better. As far as the diffs anytime I use synthetic anything they leak like an MG. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:48 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic Ok, mine are all welded anyway. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Bob Kramer > wrote: ? Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot > wrote: > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > According to the white paper at > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 22:30:00 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA ranks the most memorable races in the runoffs In-Reply-To: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> References: <9b1f4e125d2614ad297312f62583eded@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <428305806.1532465.1587011400391@connect.xfinity.com> I just watched a few races. It was so exciting to watch Sam's championship race. What a race! I'm still grinning. Awesome. Dave H. > On April 15, 2020 at 3:17 AM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > As an SCCA member I got an email yesterday with the subject > "Binge-Worthy Runoffs". As a lot of people are stuck at home they want > to remind everybody that the last 10 year of the runoffs are online, and > total over 11 days of nonstop viewing. Plus, for those of us with > shorter attention spans, they gave us a link to the top 10 memorable > races... > > https://www.scca.com/articles/2013606-runoffs-binge-watch-top-10-memorable-runoffs-of-the-past-10-years? > > Take a look at what race was ranked #1... > > Congrats again to Sam Halkias, the 2009 E-Prod champ!!! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 15:17:15 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - There's the spherical washers as Bob refers to, but there may also be yellow-metal for the thrust washers for the side gears. Later cars like the TR6 got fiber thrust washers, but some of us install the bronze ones used in the TR3/4. Can't speak to Spitfires, though. If you have a locker, use the cheap stuff and change the diff oil often! And when you change the oil, examine it closely. That way you stay ahead of any "issues". Technically, the proper oils will say "yellow-metal safe" but not all that are safe do say so. CRC StaLube is special order at the local NAPA. Perfect for street cars. l8R,Bob Lang On Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 5:31:22 PM EDT, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock diff.? ?The Detroit?Locket?has some bronze rings. Bob Kramer On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that they do > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > According to the white paper at > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the other > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear axles. > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a WAG). > > -- Randall > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic >> >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > f-gear-oil >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 06:33:27 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:33:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "Bob's" are in total agreement other than to mention that the quarts sized StaLube from Napa ends up being quite a bit more expensive than the CarQuest EP90, which comes in gallons. I recycle a lot of it so cost matters. OTOH, I refill a old Stalube quart bottle from my gallon of CarQuest EP90 to use with my hand pump. It's getting old and I should upgrade before the bottom falls out. Bob Kramer On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:17 PM Robert Lang wrote: > Hi - There's the spherical washers as Bob refers to, but there may also be > yellow-metal for the thrust washers for the side gears. Later cars like the > TR6 got fiber thrust washers, but some of us install the bronze ones used > in the TR3/4. > > Can't speak to Spitfires, though. > > If you have a locker, use the cheap stuff and change the diff oil often! > And when you change the oil, examine it closely. That way you stay ahead of > any "issues". > > Technically, the proper oils will say "yellow-metal safe" but not all that > are safe do say so. > > CRC StaLube is special order at the local NAPA. Perfect for street cars. > > l8R, > Bob Lang > > On Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 5:31:22 PM EDT, Bob Kramer via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Depends on the diff. The spider gears have bronze cup washers on a stock > diff. The Detroit Locket has some bronze rings. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:22 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > Where is there yellow metal/ brass alloy in these diffs? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > > > ?You should probably check with Redline; but my understanding is that > they do > > not use the sulfur/phosphorous additive that can damage yellow metal. > > > > According to the white paper at > > > https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/Gear%20Oil%20Tech%20Info.pdf > > > > "The extreme pressure chemistry used in many gear oils > > can be corrosive to brass and bronze used in synchronizers > > and bushings. Most gear oils are corrosive at > > temperatures of 200?F. Red Line Gear Oils are non-corrosive > > up to 300?F and the MTL? in excess of 375?F. A > > corrosive gear oil can shorten synchronizer life by half > > and can also contribute to rust problems." > > > > I don't have a link handy, but I was reading a research paper just the > other > > day (published in SAE Transactions) about a "dispersed solid borate" > > additive that reportedly gave greatly reduced wear in big truck rear > axles. > > One of the other Redline documents on their website mentions "solid > > microscopic particles", which could be the same thing (or not, just a > WAG). > > > > -- Randall > > > > > > ckproof Gear OIl All Sythetic > >> > >> https://www.biesheuvel.nl/product/58204-75w250-heavy-shockproo > > f-gear-oil > >> In general GL5 has a higher sulfur content than GL4 has, but > >> surely GL4 does contain sulfur. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Apr 17 06:55:13 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives Message-ID: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Folks, I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 07:14:49 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives In-Reply-To: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> References: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Ive got the same setup on my TR6. I ended up making minor adjustments to the rod from the brake booster to reduce the free travel, but with caution since an overextension will result in locked brakes. Check this link out where they found a Wilwood master cylinder to their TR6 http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/wilwood_master_cylinder.htm On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:55 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. > Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder > conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels > before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the > increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. > > My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger > rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a > bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 10:26:35 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR6 Master cylinder alternatives In-Reply-To: References: <5DCACE5888864A9CB039BA6E95AE771C@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <20EB4FC7-6E2A-4F41-932A-12CE508DC5DB@comcast.net> I did the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion on my TR6 long ago and over the years have developed what I call the ?Triumph Tap? method of braking. I give a little tap on the brake pedal before fully apply the brakes, which gave me a less travel on the pedal. It got to be such a habit that I had to learn to stop doing it when driving the race car because it?s a detriment when heel/toe braking. Most of the pedal travel seemed to be in ?waking up? the caliper pistons as they tended to spread a bit from some flex in the whole wheel/caliper/rotor system. It was more apparent when auto crossing as that system got flexed a lot more than normal driving. I got used to it and never bothered with a larger brake MC. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > On Apr 17, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > I looked into this a while back, did the conversion, never liked the extra pedal travel, I think maybe there is a 70s or 89s Jag MC with a slightly larger bore that works. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 7:55 AM Jerry Van Vlack > wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve converted my TR4A to the dual TR6 with booster braking system. Recently I did the Toyota front caliper and larger rear wheel cylinder conversion. Braking is great but I don?t care for how far the pedal travels before engaging the brakes. I know I?m moving more fluid due to the increased size of the combined piston areas over the stock system. > > My question is has anyone who has also done the Toyota caliper and larger rear wheel cylinders found a larger displacement master cylinder that is a bolt in replacement for the TR6 master cylinder and what is your result? > > JVV > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn at gmail.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Fri Apr 17 19:39:01 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Fri Apr 17 19:39:01 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:39:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Fri Apr 17 19:43:52 2020 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: References: <014101d61520$dc7ee9d0$957cbd70$@charter.net> Message-ID: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? Dave From: Rick McCurdy Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM To: David Kettler Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot > wrote: ? Listers, There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. Another option. Dave Kettler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 18 07:11:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:11:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> References: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> Message-ID: I?ve tried it. My main challenge with barrier cream is that I forget to put it on until after my hands get dirty!!! Duh! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:44 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? > > Dave > > From: Rick McCurdy > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM > To: David Kettler > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream > > I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > > > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. I googled it and found you can still get it on Amazon for about $40 for 4 oz. > > Another option. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 18 07:11:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:11:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Barrier Cream In-Reply-To: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> References: <016601d61522$d0de9dd0$729bd970$@charter.net> Message-ID: I?ve tried it. My main challenge with barrier cream is that I forget to put it on until after my hands get dirty!!! Duh! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:44 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I think it might prevent damage to barriers, but if we could only figure out how to prevent damage to racecars? > > Dave > > From: Rick McCurdy > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:39 PM > To: David Kettler > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Barrier Cream > > I wish I had that at the Canadian vintage races a few years ago... it prevents you from hitting barriers, right? > > > On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, David Kettler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Listers, > > There was a recent thread on Barrier Cream. I ran across two old tubes of a product that my dad used many years ago and that I also used from time to time. > > The product is Kerodex 51. It was made by Ayerst Laboratories in NY. 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Thanks again! Claude? On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 10:10:13 a.m. EDT, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Boy, if I lived closer I'd be knocking on your door ASAP.? I've always admired the look of these wheels. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lotusgagne at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 09:32:55 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs Message-ID: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 18 10:47:46 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:47:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Hi Dave, these shims need to be hardened steel. On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Sat Apr 18 11:31:17 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:31:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aaron, I?ll take them I love those. Don?t know if I will ever find a 4th to make a set but I want them. If you can box them up and tell me the dimensions and weights I can send you either UPS or Fed-Ex pre-paid shipping labels on Monday or whenever it works for you. I think you can just put address labels on the and clear tape the crap out of it and ship them as it without boxes, but I am not sure. I?ll ask my Fed-Ex rep. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:02 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims 3 revolution rims. Free to a good home. Available in western New York maybe around Columbus Ohio or you can pay to have them shipped. 2 are 13x5.5 and 1 13x6 I?ll have to measure the backspace but the price is right. 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Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2784 bytes Desc: image005.jpg URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 18 12:14:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:14:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Titanium is not a good material for friction. That?s why titanium rods never have contact to cranks. Cheers Chris Von: Brian Schirano Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 20:05 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] valve shims and springs I think I got hardened or titanium cup type setup from either Richard Goode or Kai at Wishbone Classics Brian On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Dave, these shims need to be hardened steel. On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs Hello Friends, I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. Can someone enlighten me on this? In the garage on lockdown, Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 13:10:21 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes. I'm sure that is what's happened here. The shims are too soft. The golden shims are hardened and probably grade8 with no stampings or identification. Golden color same as grade 8 hardware. The other shims are stamped, valve spring shim and Houser, Blufton, Ind. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 18, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Titanium is not a good material for friction. > That?s why titanium rods never have contact to cranks. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Brian Schirano > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 20:05 > An: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Betreff: Re: [Fot] valve shims and springs > > I think I got hardened or titanium cup type setup from either Richard Goode or Kai at Wishbone Classics > > Brian > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Dave, > > these shims need to be hardened steel. > On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring rotation. > On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. > > > The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. > > Cheers > Chris > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] valve shims and springs > > Hello Friends, > I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events and about 5500 miles since it's completion. > The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and rods. > One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. > Can someone enlighten me on this? > In the garage on lockdown, > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Apr 18 13:36:55 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've always stayed with GL4 (usually StayLube from the local Napa), but have wondered how much faster GL5 eats yellow metal. I've heard folklore (which I'm always leery of), but never seen any "real" data. Would it take a year or 100 years to show any significant damage? ?- Larry Young From brakey6666 at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 13:54:25 2020 From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens teeth. Glenn On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:31 PM DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > * I?ll take them I love those. Don?t know if I will ever find a 4th to > make a set but I want them. If you can box them up and tell me the > dimensions and weights I can send you either UPS or Fed-Ex pre-paid > shipping labels on Monday or whenever it works for you. I think you can > just put address labels on the and clear tape the crap out of it and ship > them as it without boxes, but I am not sure. I?ll ask my Fed-Ex rep. > [image: http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] > Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, > Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] > Phone: > 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > From: Fot > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf > Of Aaron Johnson via Fot Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:02 AM To: > Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims 3 > revolution rims. Free to a good home. Available in western New York maybe > around Columbus Ohio or you can pay to have them shipped. 2 are 13x5.5 and > 1 13x6 I?ll have to measure the backspace but the price is right. I don?t > want to throw them away Aaron * > > > > > > > > > > > * _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net > * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2784 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Apr 18 13:58:24 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> <000201d615ad$384dda00$a8e98e00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56fc75c1-b3b9-4853-6ecb-9fd5f28f0235@pobox.com> I'd be concerned about possible undesirable dynamics going on. I'm sure most of you have seen this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REQ1PUM0rY&t=96s. They always talk like springs are the only thing that matters. I think stiffness, weight and the lobe design have something to do with it too. ?- Larry On 4/18/2020 2:10 PM, Dave via Fot wrote: > Yes. I'm sure that is what's happened here. ?The shims are too soft. > ?The golden shims are hardened and probably grade8 with no stampings > or identification. Golden color same as grade 8 hardware. The other > shims are stamped, valve spring shim and Houser, Blufton, Ind. > Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 18 14:07:52 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:07:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> On 4/18/20 1:54 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those > wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. > Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens > teeth. Back in the day I came across a place in Los Angeles called Mr. Lugnut, I think.? I bought a box of 100 of these nuts with 3/8-24 threads.? Silly me, it should have been 1,000.? Or 16,000.? I offered sets of 16 on various Team Net lists for a reasonable price, they were gone in a few days.? I mean, 100 divided by 16 is not a lot.? Of course I am no marketing genius,? so no surprise that The Fat Chance Garage failed as a commercial enterprise, but it was fun while it lasted. mjb. From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Apr 18 14:18:18 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:18:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic In-Reply-To: References: <2102676598.1227083.1587071835232@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1998770936.362713044.1587241098400.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hi Larry, Precisely. In a racecar differential, there happens always something else before GL5 oil would have the opportunity to do any damage to the "yellow" parts. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "Robert Lang" , "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 18 april 2020 21:36:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Reline Heavy Shockproof Gear OIl All Sythetic I've always stayed with GL4 (usually StayLube from the local Napa), but have wondered how much faster GL5 eats yellow metal. I've heard folklore (which I'm always leery of), but never seen any "real" data. Would it take a year or 100 years to show any significant damage? ?- Larry Young _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Apr 18 14:25:52 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:25:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> References: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0bf4cbd0-43f8-7cbb-c31e-1838b8a4b890@verizon.net> Hi I have a Fat Chance mountain bike; best bike in the country in the 80's and 90's. Bought it in '89 after I sold my Wicked Fat Chance to a friend of mine. Should have kept it! Even talked to Chris Chance the builder before I bought it. My Fat is still fun after 30 years. Stay safe everyone; this too will pass. Cheers Bill On 4/18/2020 4:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > On 4/18/20 1:54 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: >> I have a brand new set of mag wheel lug nuts with washers for those >> wheels with a 3/8" thread if anyone is interested. >> Looked high and low for those when I had my race car. Scarce as hens >> teeth. > > > Back in the day I came across a place in Los Angeles called Mr. > Lugnut, I think.? I bought a box of 100 of these nuts with 3/8-24 > threads.? Silly me, it should have been 1,000.? Or 16,000.? I offered > sets of 16 on various Team Net lists for a reasonable price, they were > gone in a few days.? I mean, 100 divided by 16 is not a lot.? Of > course I am no marketing genius,? so no surprise that The Fat Chance > Garage failed as a commercial enterprise, but it was fun while it lasted. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 18 14:43:40 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:43:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> References: <9b72c8d6-b475-f03d-d3ea-7a12dd6dae24@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9b2824b4-0586-5358-8ab2-d8e049a9b3b6@bradakis.com> Memory Lane ... mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 17:10:25 2020 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets Message-ID: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! Jon Wright -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the photo from left to right, Stock TR3-4, factory competition from my current engine and mystery parts on the right. The mystery spring retainer/collar is aluminum, but slightly smaller in diameter than the stock unit, 1.25" to 1.305", but looks almost identical to stock in shape and design. I'd appreciate confirmation if someone is familiar with this spring set and their aluminum retainers/collars. I also have a set of steel retainers that are exactly the size of these aluminum units that were together in the set. Perhaps they are Spitfire parts. Dave H. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He may have a set of fabricated brackets. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 18 17:56:14 2020 From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets In-Reply-To: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> References: <110B85E7-791A-4190-9AB8-FC2E79B6710D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> Same situation I am in. But you can actually use the Mk3 brackets by extending them using a long bolt with a bushing around the end the size of the Mk1 pocket. Joe > On April 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! > Jon Wright > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 18:23:15 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:23:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] valve shims and springs In-Reply-To: <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> References: <638801354.1567021.1587223975959@connect.xfinity.com> <002601d615a1$171be3b0$4553ab10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I correct myself, hardened spring seat, but titanium keepers https://www.goodparts.com/product/valve-spring-seat-1-125-x-585-x-040/ On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Dave, > > > > these shims need to be hardened steel. > > On my TR4 I use no shims. The cast iron is a good surface for spring > rotation. > > On the TR8 with the aluminum head there are shims. The first set was > squeezed out after a few races, they were too soft. > > The second set of shims was nitrate hardened and they last. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *DAVE HOGYE via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Samstag, 18. April 2020 17:33 > *An:* Friends of Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] valve shims and springs > > > > Hello Friends, > > I've removed and disassembled my TR3 engine after 7 years, 19 race events > and about 5500 miles since it's completion. > > The crank and cam look excellent as do the bearings, both mains and > rods. > > One thing I found was that some of the valve spring shims were > disintegrating. There are two different types of shims, one golden/yellow > and one plain silver. The problem is that the silver ones are heavily worn > from the springs tearing them up. The golden yellow shims look as > installed, with no visual wear and they don't seem to have been rotating. > It obvious the springs over the silver shims were rotating and causing the > heavy wear. Perhaps these shims are too soft. > > Can someone enlighten me on this? > > In the garage on lockdown, > > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 187788 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 18:27:15 2020 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:27:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 spitfire Hardtop Brackets In-Reply-To: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> References: <672615275.13241.1587254174926@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks Joe, the long bolt was my plan in the mean time. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:56 PM, JOE CURRY wrote: > > ? Same situation I am in. But you can actually use the Mk3 brackets by extending them using a long bolt with a bushing around the end the size of the Mk1 pocket. > > Joe > > On April 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM Jonathan Wright via Fot wrote: > > > > > > I?m guessing odds are slim here. But does anybody have a set of mk1 brackets for a spitfire hard top they could sell me? I have the hard top but the brackets that came with it are for the mk2-3 thanks in advance! > > Jon Wright > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 19 04:33:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice. See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Apr 19 04:33:38 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice. See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From lotusgagne at rogers.com Sun Apr 19 08:35:41 2020 From: lotusgagne at rogers.com (CLAUDE GAGNE) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Revolution rims In-Reply-To: References: <013901d615c6$b3398ed0$19acac70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <133003949.2025977.1587306941664@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Aaron. As I mentioned, I have a fourth Revolution wheel to complete the set, so if your three are still available, please get in touch with me at lotusgagne at rogers.com for shipping to upstate NY. Thanks! Claude On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 06:33:51 a.m. EDT, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: These wheels are being made again, available from the UK. My son bought a set. Very accommodating people will make to your specs (within reason). Very nice.? See revolutionwheels.com. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > > ?Easy to get revolution wheel nuts on Ebay.co.uk > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/72257/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=revolution > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: April 18, 2020 4:44 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Revolution rims > > Memory Lane ... > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lotusgagne at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bownes at web9.com Sun Apr 19 19:34:33 2020 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits available In-Reply-To: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> References: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Speaking of which, I have a pristine 1500 trunk lid if anyone would like it.Located in Troy, N.Y. 12182 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:31 AM bfloyd6677 via Fot wrote: > In a few short years of racing Spitfires I have amassed a sizable > collection of stuff. > > Listed is just what I excavated from bins on shelves this morning. > > Located in Western Pa. Photos available upon request. > > Lightweight Quartermaster 1500 flywheel for 5.5" mocked up never ran > $100.00 obo > > Stock brake pedal modified with tilton balance bar Make offer > > Race spares 3 rail 3 synchro trans nice with shift tower etc. Make offer > > 3 rail shift towers used x7 make offer > > Tail shaft housings no cracks or broken ears x6 make offer > > Medium box of new and used small & large synchro rings M.O. > > Need something I might have it. > > T.I.A. > > Bryan Floyd > 513 405 5425 > > > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rek46 at aol.com Mon Apr 20 07:22:38 2020 From: rek46 at aol.com (Rick Kristoff) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits available In-Reply-To: References: <20200419153119.1FF24A1498@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1062618448.3382076.1587388958451@mail.yahoo.com> I also have Spit bits leftover...Mark!!!....plus about 30 lbs of manuals......ask! In a message dated 4/19/2020 10:08:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot at autox.team.net writes: Speaking of which, I have a pristine 1500 trunk lid if anyone would like it.Located in Troy, N.Y. 12182 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:31 AM bfloyd6677 via Fot wrote: In a few short years of racing Spitfires I have amassed a sizable collection of stuff. Listed is just what I excavated from bins on shelves this morning. Located in Western Pa. Photos available upon request. Lightweight Quartermaster 1500 flywheel for 5.5" mocked up never ran $100.00 obo Stock brake pedal modified with tilton balance bar Make offer Race spares 3 rail 3 synchro trans nice with shift tower etc. Make offer 3 rail shift towers used x7 make offer Tail shaft housings no cracks or broken ears x6 make offer Medium box of new and used small & large synchro rings M.O. Need something I might have it. T.I.A. 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If you're like I, the days run together, so this is a reminder that the deadline is only 9 days away. > > So get online; order early and order often > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 12:33:18 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] How to order shirts Message-ID: Great! I've been asked again how to order shirts. The link to the spreadsheet is: order shirts here . Just enter your info there. Payment will only be made after the deadline has closed. Joe says the event is still on (YAY) so let's get those shirts on order, we're well short of the hoped-for threshold. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 13:05:55 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:05:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] How to order shirts. And Thank you to those involved. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <729CE656-21AC-46C7-9CB7-5B85AFEB9E49@gmail.com> Thank you to: Marty Sukey. Chair & Shirt Coordination Clark Lincoln. Superb Shirt Artwork Ted Schumacher. Production of Quality Shirts J. C. Hassall. Kastner Cup Distribution...it just doesn?t happen without Jim. It?s going to be a brilliant shirt. And it may be the last of its kind. (It?s very hard to predict the future). The Kastner Cup Poster, again the artwork is by Clark Lincoln will be a Driver Premium and available to all FOT. There?s an enormous amount of Kas? History embedded in this poster. Kas is very pleased with the content. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:40 PM, J.C. Hassall via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great! I've been asked again how to order shirts. The link to the spreadsheet is: order shirts here. Just enter your info there. Payment will only be made after the deadline has closed. Joe says the event is still on (YAY) so let's get those shirts on order, we're well short of the hoped-for threshold. > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-)J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 19:08:34 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 22 03:07:59 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Nick Black" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. How is the clutch pedal feel? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Apr 22 03:42:55 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 03:42:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Archive search progress Message-ID: I'd recently found out that there was a problem with the archive [ http://autox.team.net/archive ] search function.? Searching for something would not look at any mail added to the archives since 2012 or so. I'm making some progress on the problem, for example if you do a search for 'Kastner Cup 2020' you actually get results showing messages from 2020.? Still some issues with the automatic updates, but it takes some time to go through some of the archaic code, track down and rewrite bits that are no longer supported in current versions of PERL. Hope you are all managing as best you can to stay healthy and happy these days. mjb. From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 03:58:47 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <986351156.378352774.1587546448553.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1507011511.378354775.1587546479043.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Nick, The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. ?Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? ?Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole?? How is the surface of the flywheel? ?I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. ?Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? ?Did you scuff it down a bit? ?? Here?s the long shot. ?What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust?bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. That?s all I got! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Nick Black" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line?It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden.How is the clutch pedal feel??Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 04:50:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560CAF6B-E4D3-49EE-8A12-A01B84108791@aol.com> Nick; Has changing all those parts made a difference? Or are you asking before putting it all back together to make sure you?ve covered all the bases? Normally a grabby clutch is due to the friction surface (interface between the disc and pressure plate/flywheel) and lack of compliance in the clutch disc itself. In your case I would look for a crack in the pressure plate and the flywheel friction surface. You might want to have a cut taken off the flywheel surface to be sure there are no irregularities or build up of glaze. You?ve already done this on one side with a new pressure plate. I would not stop the throwout bearing sleeve from spinning. It should have no effect on this problem one way or the other. Being brass, if constrained it will wear in one spot where the fork interfaces with it. Might be doing that anyways. Good luck! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:59 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi Nick, > > The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole? > > How is the surface of the flywheel? I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? Did you scuff it down a bit? > > Here?s the long shot. What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. > > That?s all I got! > > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Nick Black" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? > It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. > How is the clutch pedal feel? > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 04:50:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744605137.533483.1587549527421@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560CAF6B-E4D3-49EE-8A12-A01B84108791@aol.com> Nick; Has changing all those parts made a difference? Or are you asking before putting it all back together to make sure you?ve covered all the bases? Normally a grabby clutch is due to the friction surface (interface between the disc and pressure plate/flywheel) and lack of compliance in the clutch disc itself. In your case I would look for a crack in the pressure plate and the flywheel friction surface. You might want to have a cut taken off the flywheel surface to be sure there are no irregularities or build up of glaze. You?ve already done this on one side with a new pressure plate. I would not stop the throwout bearing sleeve from spinning. It should have no effect on this problem one way or the other. Being brass, if constrained it will wear in one spot where the fork interfaces with it. Might be doing that anyways. Good luck! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:59 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi Nick, > > The way I see it there?s only a couple of variables left. Which hole is your slave attached to on the clutch fork? Does it make a difference if you move it to the ?furthest out? hole? > > How is the surface of the flywheel? I?m sure you checked it out changing all those parts. Maybe it?s burred and causing the clutch to grab? Did you scuff it down a bit? > > Here?s the long shot. What about the crankshaft thrust washers, is there all of a sudden too much play, like a thrust bearing fell out? Maybe it?s changing the way the clutch slave interacts with the pressure plate. > > That?s all I got! > > Dave Gott > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 5:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Van: "van mulders marcel" > Aan: "Nick Black" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 11:07:28 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > Very weird that changing all those parts has no effect. You changed the clutch hose : also the metal part of the line? > It seems that the bearing doesn't follow the clutch pedal over some distance and is catching up then at a sudden. > How is the clutch pedal feel? > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 03:08:34 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... > > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 06:36:45 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, just wondering if the problem could be downstream from the clutch. Could something be resisting turning until there's full engagement? Jack up the car and move all the drive line components by hand, see if everything is smooth, no binding. I was sure I had a clutch problem until the broken tooth in the diff finally made itself abundantly clear, just before the rest of the drive train sheared off at speed. mike h On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 9:11 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). > It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage > to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the > locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the > clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing > sleeve. No dice...same issue. > Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, > bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave > cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without > any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. > > SO...any thoughts? > > Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on > the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the > sleeve? Why/why not? > > Broken gears and tears in NorCal > Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 08:24:35 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks? for all the ideas about this... Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored?full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole.The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! lack-o-slip here in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 09:17:09 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update In-Reply-To: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17687C19-39D8-4C1E-BDA0-8D28647EBBF2@aol.com> Nick; With an aluminum flywheel the problem could be with the steel friction surface. Are all the machine screws tight? Does the disc interfere with the aluminum around the periphery? Check for cracks. Take it off and use the magma flux penetrant crack test or even better have a shop do it on the steel surface. Even though the surface of the insert looks ok, it could have a glaze on it that grabs the disc. I?ve seen the on disc brakes. The brakes will begin to judder - alternating slip grip - yet the discs would look fine. Taking sandpaper to the discs will remove any material build up and the judder goes away. Best way to do this on the flywheel is to have a machine shop take a fine cut - or replace the insert. If it is a very old Tilton like mine, the insert is available from AASCO Motorsports in Anaheim CA. 714 758 8500. Hope this helps! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks for all the ideas about this... > > Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. > > Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. > > Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. > > David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole. > The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. > > Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. > > Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. > > The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. > > I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! > > lack-o-slip here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Apr 22 09:17:09 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Opinion Tyme Update In-Reply-To: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1816537778.895584.1587565475724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17687C19-39D8-4C1E-BDA0-8D28647EBBF2@aol.com> Nick; With an aluminum flywheel the problem could be with the steel friction surface. Are all the machine screws tight? Does the disc interfere with the aluminum around the periphery? Check for cracks. Take it off and use the magma flux penetrant crack test or even better have a shop do it on the steel surface. Even though the surface of the insert looks ok, it could have a glaze on it that grabs the disc. I?ve seen the on disc brakes. The brakes will begin to judder - alternating slip grip - yet the discs would look fine. Taking sandpaper to the discs will remove any material build up and the judder goes away. Best way to do this on the flywheel is to have a machine shop take a fine cut - or replace the insert. If it is a very old Tilton like mine, the insert is available from AASCO Motorsports in Anaheim CA. 714 758 8500. Hope this helps! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks for all the ideas about this... > > Mleccese - the car has a rubber seal on the crank and double seals on the trans...nice and dry in there, no oil leaks. > > Tony - the car has a Tilton 7.25" setup with the "copper" colored full circumference disc (not individual "pucks") with a Tilton aluminum flywheel. > > Marcel - the metal clutch line was not changed, but it wasn't kinked anywhere and I could blow thru it ok. The clutch feels as it always has just has this "instant" on/off that the driver cannot modulate. > > David - the slave rod was in the center hole, but it worked the same when in the lower hole. > The flywheel looks perfect and there is no measureable "bell" to it, no heat cracks or burrs. > > Phil - the first "repair" was the disc, throwout sleeve. trans input shaft and diff change. The "full Monte" of changes have not been on track yet, but nothing that was replaced has been out of spec anywhere. The car has the steel throwout bearing flange and was pinned as it just doesn't seem rite to let steel on steel rotate. The pin was moved 90 degrees from where it was in case there was any unseeable wear from the fork on the sleeve. > > Mike - Doubtful that anything "downstream" of the clutch is the problem. The trans was disassembled and the input shaft was changed after the first tyme. The driveshaft was inspected and rebalanced and the diff was changed to one that has been faultless for years, still had the problem. > > The only other thing that has been changed is the clutch master diameter...went one size smaller as I thought that might give the driver a bit better chance to "modulate" the pedal. The interface twixt the throwout bearing and the throwout bearing flange has been relieved in case it may have gotten hung up somehow on the sleeve. The clearance twixt sleeve and throwout bearing flange is also within specs and moves easily by hand. > > I'm about out of ideas here at this point and I have no confidence that any of these changes will affect the issue. It sure seems like I'm missing something here! > > lack-o-slip here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 22 10:55:58 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it?It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 11:18:46 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 17:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> Nick, My other suggestion would have been to try a smaller master cylinder. ?I have a similar setup with Tilton dual discs and went to a larger .75 master, because my pedal movement was too far! ? But you?ve already tried that one! Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:57 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it?It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue.Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCalNick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Apr 22 12:29:00 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> <1003068460.688180.1587575926508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1476040127.380522137.1587580140546.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I would put my money on the suggestion of Phil Gott about the crankshaft thrust washers : if one of these thrust washer has fallen out, the crankshaft can move for- and afterwards : this can easily be checked by moving the crankshaft pulley with large screwdrivers: when the thrust washer has fallen out, the pulley(and the crankshaft with it) can be moved by one or 2 mm. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 22 april 2020 19:18:46 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... Nick, My other suggestion would have been to try a smaller master cylinder. I have a similar setup with Tilton dual discs and went to a larger .75 master, because my pedal movement was too far! But you?ve already tried that one! Dave [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:57 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it? It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com ] BQ_BEGIN BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 22 12:41:01 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:41:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... In-Reply-To: <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1498471706.675755.1587517714404.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1498471706.675755.1587517714404@mail.yahoo.com> <1888984935.685715.1587574558723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01d618d5$92ed3c50$b8c7b4f0$@gmail.com> Hmmm?..mechanical noise? Two things come to my mind: 1. A flywheel bolt is touching the clutch plate? 2. Too much leash in the drive train? Gearbox, prop shaft, diff? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von fubog1 via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. April 2020 18:56 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage Was it all in good working order and then it just got funky or did anything lead up to it? It sounds like a heck of a shock load to break a gear, hard to believe that it's a friction surface issue, sounds more mechanical. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Nick Black via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 9:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Its Opinion Tyme Again... OK, so I've had a weird problem with the clutch on The Duke of Oil (TR4A). It suddenly started acting like an off/on switch with no chance of slippage to get goin. The engagement was so sudden that it broke a side gear in the locker. Upon review everything appeared well within spec. I changed the clutch disc. transmission input shaft and changed the throwout bearing sleeve. No dice...same issue. Got it apart again and have changed everything...disc, pressure plate, bearing, crankshaft bush, cross shaft bushings, clutch hose, clutch slave cylinder and clutch master cylinder...pedal assembly seems smooth without any binding. Have also double pinned the throwout fork to the cross shaft. SO...any thoughts? Also have pinned the throwout bearing flange so that it will not spin on the sleeve. Anybody else pin the flange, or do you let it turn on the sleeve? Why/why not? Broken gears and tears in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 18:38:45 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe References: <630262368.67900.1587602325416.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh).The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft?? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCalNick PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know.Thanks for thinking about this -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 19:37:32 2020 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> References: <630262368.67900.1587602325416.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <630262368.67900.1587602325416@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). > The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. > > As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" > > Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! > > The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. > > Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. > > > I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal > Nick > > PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. > Thanks for thinking about this > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 04:53:39 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> References: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: This brings to mind a lesson learned the hard way. Diaphragm pressure plates need to be mated with the correct configuration throwout bearing. The fingers on the plate want to roll on the throwout bearing. If the fingers are straight, the bearing needs to have a curved surface. If the fingers are curved, then a flat faced throwout bearing will work. If a flat faced bearing is used with flat fingers, there could be a very sudden movement and engagement as the fingers transition across the face of the bearing from the inside to outside edge. Depending on the set up and initial orientation of all parts, this may or may not happen in any particular case. I did not raise the issue when Nick first asked for opinions, as the Duke of Oil?s problem happened all of a sudden. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). >> The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. >> >> As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" >> >> Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! >> >> The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. >> >> Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. >> >> >> I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal >> Nick >> >> PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. >> Thanks for thinking about this >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 04:53:39 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe In-Reply-To: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> References: <1EE65DC4-A636-42DA-8F74-315E6C76AE02@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: This brings to mind a lesson learned the hard way. Diaphragm pressure plates need to be mated with the correct configuration throwout bearing. The fingers on the plate want to roll on the throwout bearing. If the fingers are straight, the bearing needs to have a curved surface. If the fingers are curved, then a flat faced throwout bearing will work. If a flat faced bearing is used with flat fingers, there could be a very sudden movement and engagement as the fingers transition across the face of the bearing from the inside to outside edge. Depending on the set up and initial orientation of all parts, this may or may not happen in any particular case. I did not raise the issue when Nick first asked for opinions, as the Duke of Oil?s problem happened all of a sudden. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it?s easier to overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it?s much more controllable. > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh). >> The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco broke it. >> >> As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen this" >> >> Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!! >> >> The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft? I even reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues. >> >> Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and exchange pieces. >> >> >> I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal >> Nick >> >> PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know. >> Thanks for thinking about this >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 12:20:08 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:20:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire over Germany In-Reply-To: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> References: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1.ref@aol.com> <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> Message-ID: <51515D31-4967-46A9-9354-4BD8BFAE2D5C@gmail.com> Not 30 minutes ago i received that video from a friend and just finished forwarding it to my brothers. I wish my dad were still with us to share it with too. He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of the landing and the aftermath! ?Justin Wagner I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > Phil > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of the landing and the aftermath! > > ?Justin Wagner > > I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > [image1.jpeg] > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > > > http://YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > > > Phil > > > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We got some used ones, but they were no better than what we had. Looking for suggestions on sources! Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 15:23:42 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:23:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire over Germany In-Reply-To: <1208699468.1650970.1587673330258@connect.xfinity.com> References: <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1.ref@aol.com> <4499419A-86FD-479C-928A-24863AFE9DE1@aol.com> <51515D31-4967-46A9-9354-4BD8BFAE2D5C@gmail.com> <1208699468.1650970.1587673330258@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Thanks Phil, good stuff, amazing what's available on there. As an FYI, today is the 15th anniversary of the 1st YouTube upload. 1st video, at the zoo, over 90 million hits https://youtu.be/jNQXAC9IVRw mike h On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:25 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Thanks for sharing this you guys. Great stuff! What a story. > DH > > On April 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM J Wagner via Fot > wrote: > > > Not 30 minutes ago i received that video from a friend and just finished > forwarding it to my brothers. I wish my dad were still with us to share it > with too. He was a Corsair pilot in the war and had a crash landing when > one of his landing gear wouldn?t go down. i?ve got a similar picture of > his crashed Corsair as that of the Spitfire. How amazing would it have > been for him if it turned out, all these years later, that film existed of > the landing and the aftermath! > > ?Justin Wagner > > I don?t have the crash landing pic handy, but here?s dad.... > [image: image1.jpeg] > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Phil Gott via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: > > Take a look at this short documentary. Thanks to my Crew Chief John > Gardella and sidekick Bob Bartlett! > > YouTube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY > > > Enjoy! As someone said; they don?t make ?em like this anymore! > > > Phil > > > Ps let me know if the link does not work. There is a longer version. > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Larry Young From vfracing at aol.com Thu Apr 23 19:11:57 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 01:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Parts In-Reply-To: <5198D381-1258-42E4-9041-92E5D5512B62@gmail.com> References: <5198D381-1258-42E4-9041-92E5D5512B62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1435509739.491728.1587690717636@mail.yahoo.com> Also try John Esposito at Quantum Mechanics. ?He does a lot of these. john at quantumechanics.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Snook via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2020 4:33 pm Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Parts Hey all, Glen is rebuilding my OD (which has never been apart in my 25+ years of racing the car!) ?It is a big piston A-type and we need some parts: Planetary Gears (at least 2) and some thrust washers. We got some used ones, but they were no better than what we had. Looking for suggestions on sources! Thanks, Jeff Snookhttp://www.snooksdreamcars.com419-344-0319 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 05:02:26 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] OD gearbox transport? Message-ID: Is anyone from the Atlanta area coming to the Kastner Cup? My sis (in ATL) picked up an OD gearbox that I bought for my Spitfire. She planned to bring it to Iowa for me, but the pandemic began and now my Spitfire sits in pieces. There is a box of parts that came with it also. If someone is willing to bring it to Mid Ohio, I would pay you. Please let me know... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Apr 24 17:33:06 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:33:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 944 on YouTube References: Message-ID: I?m happy this film is finding more viewers. The documentary filmmaker is William Lorton, a friend of ours and a work colleague of my wife. You?ll note that this film received Honorable Mention at the 2007 Sundance Film Festival and it?s a fun topic for our group of motorheads. Bill also posted to YouTube more of the raw footage shot by his great Uncle during WW2 that you might enjoy. There is a trailer of his documentary, Take Away One, which also explores a member of his family, an aunt. It?s a remarkable film and I hope you?ll check it out. Go to YouTube and search ?DAvenport 3-2614? for his posted videos. John Frymark Sent from my iPad From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 25 08:08:49 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:08:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts Message-ID: <6B80193C3953495E9790C050D75D7ED4@VlackTK121647> List members Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. Thanks Richard. 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Apr 25 13:29:32 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:29:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> I agree. Awesome guy and awesome parts. We put a bunch into an endurance TR6 race car. Man I loved that GP3 cam. I?ll be buying another for my restoration street car. That cam with about a 1/4? shaved off the head really woke the engine up. Good stuff. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yup, second that. Richard has gone above and beyond on some issues on a car I was working on where anybody else would have rightfully said "not my problem". > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:08 AM > To: FOT ; WPTA e-Mail List ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Goodparts > > List members > > Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. > > Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. > > Thanks Richard. > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 15:24:17 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:24:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration Message-ID: Amici Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- *Mike Deweerd* [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 110603 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 25 17:06:36 2020 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 09:06:36 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Goodparts In-Reply-To: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> References: <9F452387-90BA-4DFD-8D47-AA431B2969BB@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9DFAF590-118E-4101-BEC7-F75AFEE30B2E@optusnet.com.au> I too am a big fan of Richard and the parts he supplies. I run a lot of them on my race cars TR6 and GT6 here in Australia. Good quality and always helpful. I recommend Goodparts to my Triumph mates when they are looking for parts Geoff Byrne TR racer down under Sent from my iPad > On 26 Apr 2020, at 5:30 am, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?I agree. Awesome guy and awesome parts. We put a bunch into an endurance TR6 race car. Man I loved that GP3 cam. I?ll be buying another for my restoration street car. That cam with about a 1/4? shaved off the head really woke the engine up. Good stuff. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Yup, second that. Richard has gone above and beyond on some issues on a car I was working on where anybody else would have rightfully said "not my problem". >> >> Marty >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot >> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:08 AM >> To: FOT ; WPTA e-Mail List ; triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Goodparts >> >> List members >> >> Without going into a lot of detail I?m giving a big THANKS to Richard Good and his business Goodparts for a favor he did for me. He didn?t have to but he did and I appreciate him for doing so. >> >> Richard?s parts are well engineered and well manufactured. Consider his upgrades, they are well worth the installation. >> >> Thanks Richard. >> >> JVV >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sat Apr 25 19:06:36 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:06:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > ? > Amici > Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 25 19:34:59 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> References: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <019E33E1-5567-4470-A74D-44A6DCB8ACF9@aol.com> A terrific idea! I?m in. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Apr 25 19:34:59 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> References: <74DF71C5-52D2-4930-85B3-B8877FA5E2F9@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <019E33E1-5567-4470-A74D-44A6DCB8ACF9@aol.com> A terrific idea! I?m in. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2020, at 9:15 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?I would be happy to re-create that. I have an original poster I can photograph in high resolution and create something order-able on a site like collage or shutterfly. If anyone has the original photoshop files I could use that too. However I don?t want to step on the original creator?s toes - but more than happy to do it as a favor to the community with no reward to myself. > >>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Apr 25 20:07:07 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 02:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> Count me in. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, April 25, 2020,?Michael Deweerd via Fot??wrote: Amici?Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my pointI was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas at the bottom.I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested?I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 26 05:24:24 2020 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:24:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Count me in too. On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Count me in. > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On?Saturday, April 25, 2020,?Michael Deweerd via > Fot??wrote: > > Amici > Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic > and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what > inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the > reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what > they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, > brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational > poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral > byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who > made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be > re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas > at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone > else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would > chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get > enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > /Mike Deweerd/ > image.png > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Apr 26 05:28:49 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> References: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <2FC39734-5F85-4316-BEEB-9322D052C650@optonline.net> I?m in! > On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > > ? Count me in too. > > On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 06:42:58 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 05:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> References: <705516663.351020.1587866827432.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <705516663.351020.1587866827432@mail.yahoo.com> <56ddc081-2256-f225-6b6e-338eff44c281@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <0e27b1d9-8d39-2adc-00bb-d57c65f28091@gmail.com> On 4/26/20 4:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: > Count me in too. Me too please. I could use some inspiration. TeriAnn > > On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On??Saturday, April 25, 2020,??Michael Deweerd via Fot? >> ??wrote: >> >> Amici? >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing >> Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was >> thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what??with all the >> hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them >> again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after >> dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I >> ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational >> poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral >> byline?? "Never be beaten by equipment"?? Perhaps the FOT??member >> who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could >> be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature??from >> Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone >> else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they >> would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we >> can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 26 10:02:12 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:02:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c1b2998-203f-2f17-7e65-5e82f37c0859@bradakis.com> That was a good poster, interesting idea. One of the items on my garage wall is a basic sheet of paper with this on it.? I'm sure many of you will recognize the original source for particular take on it.? I'd like to get a bigger, perhaps a nicely framed version of it to help inspire me to bring the Fat Chance Garage back to what it used to be, or at least somewhat close.? As the old saying goes, the older I get, the better I was. But memories of the way it used to be can be good motivation for the future.? I did some good work back then, and I'm not dead yet. This poster was put together by Chris Kantarjiev, not active on this list these days.? I thought I had the source file, Postscript I believe, for it, but can't seem to find it on my computer. Perhaps Chris has it handy. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200426_085205.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 644803 bytes Desc: not available URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Sun Apr 26 12:20:23 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Goodparts References: <1996585592.360237.1587925223677.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1996585592.360237.1587925223677@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for your positive comments.? And special thanks to Greg for kindly omitting the part where we first sent the adapters to your old address after you clearly included the correct address in your email.? That had to be very frustrating.? We are not perfect but we try hard. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, April 26, 2020 Greg Lemon wrote: I put in the R200 in my TR250, finished the job a few weeks ago.? They forgot to send the adapters for the axles.? I emailed Richard and he said he would send out the parts right away, and he did in the middle everything going on.? All the parts fit and work great.?? It is also a super upgrade by the way.? Highly recommend. Greg LemonTR250 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Apr 26 12:30:56 2020 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523793248.545796.1587925856773@mail.yahoo.com> This conehead would be interested in a couple, one for the garage and the other for my den. Cheers,Bob T '64 Spit Gt? Autocrosser PS? pre season service is almost complete -----Original Message----- From: Michael Deweerd via Fot To: fot Sent: Sat, Apr 25, 2020 5:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration Amici?Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what?with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my pointI was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline? "Never be beaten by equipment"? Perhaps the FOT?member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature?from Kas at the bottom.I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested?I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? Thinking out loud here in the Great White North -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are not perfect but we try hard. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > On Sunday, April 26, 2020 Greg Lemon wrote: > > I put in the R200 in my TR250, finished the job a few weeks ago. They forgot to send the adapters for the axles. I emailed Richard and he said he would send out the parts right away, and he did in the middle everything going on. All the parts fit and work great. > > It is also a super upgrade by the way. Highly recommend. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of what inspires us > to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets > and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending > dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I > ..so to my point > I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster > on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be > beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual > Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across > the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. > I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be > interested? > I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime > in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make > it worthwhile? > > Thinking out loud here in the Great White North > > > > -- > *Mike Deweerd* > [image: image.png] > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 27 14:35:48 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] old British car shop for sale References: <1194859602.785699.1588019749144.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1194859602.785699.1588019749144@mail.yahoo.com> Any one wanting to move to the beautiful mountains of north Georgia? I have a two level barn on 4.1 acres. Both levels are drive in thru sliding barn doors. The lower level has been renovated into a great shop for working on old British cars. I have run a shop for over 45 years and redid the barn two years ago. I want to semi-retire and do not need such a fine shop. Besides the new house we just bought has a big shop on it's property and the wife says I cannot have both. I would be willing to sell just the property and barn or all my special tools and all the new and used parts can be negotiated. 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I would like to not carve ip the??metal > dash but I am willing to do some creative??bending to get the angled > gauges to work. > > > image.png > > > Bob Kramer > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 84367 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 16:21:55 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Gauge pod In-Reply-To: <3706844c-f295-4276-5a33-bbde8a9d43e5@gmail.com> References: <3706844c-f295-4276-5a33-bbde8a9d43e5@gmail.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn Those are very nice looking gauges and meet the need to look as original as possible. I already have 3 SW 2 1/16" gauges that look a lot like these as well so I'm gonna stick with SW but I'll remember that for next time. I heard from Dennis DeLap that he fit 5 gauges into the opening so I think I should be okay. He should have sent the picture he sent to me to all. His dash is artwork. Bob Kramer On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:46 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > You might take a look at VDO series I gauges. > > On 4/27/20 2:31 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Has anyone tried to squeeze 4 or 5 gauges into the center > instrument? panel using these angled? Auto Meter gauge pods? they are 2 > 1/16 which should fit the Stewart Warner gauge line without destroying the > OEM look.? I would like to not carve ip the? metal dash but I am willing > to do some creative? bending to get the angled gauges to work. > > > [image: image.png] > > > Bob Kramer > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Count me in too. >>> >>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>> Count me in. >>>> >>>> Bill Dentinger >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> Amici >>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>> >>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Deweerd >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Another poster wouldn?t hurt! > > > > > >>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: >> ? >> +1 for both posters!!! >> >> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:41 AM Vangoughv via Fot wrote: >>> I?m in.. >>> >>> Vince >>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: >>>> ? Count me in too. >>>> >>>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>>> Count me in. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Amici >>>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>>> >>>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Deweerd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Count me in too. >> >> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Count me in. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Amici >> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and >> being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us >> to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets >> and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending >> dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I >> ..so to my point >> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster >> on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be >> beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual >> Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across >> the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be >> interested? >> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime >> in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make >> it worthwhile? >> >> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >> >> >> >> -- >> *Mike Deweerd* >> [image: image.png] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 6:30 PM Dave via Fot wrote: > Good reason to keep on keepin' on. > My happy place. > Dave H. > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Apr 28 06:03:02 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:03:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Garage inspiration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lol. I?m thinking the same! > On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 PM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > ? > Ya'll are making me really want to drywall the garage..... > > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:58 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> My current wall of inspiration. Another poster wouldn?t hurt! >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:38 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> +1 for both posters!!! >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:41 AM Vangoughv via Fot wrote: >>>> I?m in.. >>>> >>>> Vince >>>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Davis via Fot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ? Count me in too. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/20 10:07 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>>>>> Count me in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Amici >>>>>> Working/toiling away in the garage during this Depressing Pandemic and being unsure of the 2020 racing season. I was thinking of what inspires us to race a Triumph what with all the hours of prep the reading of rule sets and then rereading them again to see what they "don't" say..lol spending dollar after dollar new tires, brake fluid, the list goes on....and so am I ..so to my point >>>>>> I was thinking how Wonderful it would be to have an inspirational poster on the garage wall or office with Kas Kastners Immoral byline "Never be beaten by equipment" Perhaps the FOT member who made the 13th annual Kastner cup poster (my favorite) could be re-done with the By line across the top and a signature from Kas at the bottom. >>>>>> I would be willing to help fund this endeavour... would anyone else be interested? >>>>>> I'm not sure who helped make this awesome poster but if they would chime in if they were interested in this idea...perhaps we can get enough to make it worthwhile? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thinking out loud here in the Great White North >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mike Deweerd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'm about the messiest guy you could meet. > > Can I discipline myself to keep the shop tidy? > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 107496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Apr 28 10:45:42 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:45:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration Message-ID: Soooo, I saved every Classic Motorsports magazine so I can go and reference all the shop design pro-tips that have been in the various issues...????????????????????.. Right now they're packed in a Pod behind all the crap from the garage...?...????????... Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdment at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 11:16:44 2020 From: jdment at yahoo.com (Jim McAndrew) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Daytona Continental Winning 1957 TR3 for sale References: <1353044515.1669794.1588094204672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353044515.1669794.1588094204672@mail.yahoo.com> Daytona Continental Winning 1957 TR3 for sale Many of you have received the latest edition of The Vintage Triumph from VTR. On the cover is Fred Schmidt?s beautiful restoration of Bill Cannons? 24 Hour of Daytona class winning TR-4A. If you watch ?Shelby American? of Netflix, you can see that car in some of the vintage film! I have the predecessor to that car- the 1957 TR3 that Bill Cannons built and Dana Kelder/Ara Dube raced. It won its class at the Daytona Continental two years in a row, in 1963 and 1964. The car was found by Tim Suddard in 1997. I bought it and (with lots of help) restored it. The car won a Gold Certificate and the Modified Class at the 2002 VTR Nationals in Redwing, Minnesota. It was also awarded the Ken Richardson Trophy that year.? I raced the car with the Corinthian Vintage Auto Racing group from 2003 to 2006. I raced in the Kastner Cup in 2006 at Hallet Motor Speedway. Kas was gracious to sign the car at that event and the car is one of the cars on the cover of his book, ?Racing, Winning and Other Myths in Triumph Cars?. The car won the Participant?s Choice, Best of Show, in 2017 at the VTR South Central Regionals in New Braunfels, Texas. I?ve been trying to get the car back on the road as a fun, fast, reliable road car, but realize the my automotive mechanic talents and resources have reached their end. The car runs and drives. Carburation and wiring issues (left over problems from my ex-mechanic) are the limiting factors. This has been a real hard decision for me, but it is time for me to sell this car and MANY spares to someone who wants to bring it back to life as a racer or a historic showpiece. What is available: The car- in it?s current configuration: Moss Supercharger with Mikuni carburetor Moldex crank Carrillo rods Aluminum radiator ARE alloy front engine plates 4-speed straight cut gear box Hydraulic throwout bearing Salisbury limited slip Advance Auto-wire wiring harness Revington TR rally suspension Aluminum front hubs with uprated axles Southwick solid rear axle conversion Genuine Magnesium Minilites New roll bar with under dash bar and removable door bars Hardtop Documentation-? All pictures from the Daytona Archives (some are original, others are reprints) Original newspaper articles and race entries Original FIA papers Long play album, ?Sounds of Daytona? with the car pictured on the cover Dana Kelder?s race overalls and jacket Amateur movie film of the car racing in the 60?s converted to VHS and DVD What else: Original race parts (including endurance gas tank and flywheel ?scatter shield?) 3 additional engine blocks- Incl original motor from when raced in the 60?s 2 extra heads- incl one with porting by Jack Drews Overdrive transmission 2 extra alloy valve covers 2 extra rear axles Extra metal body parts Almost a complete set of fiberglass body parts Set of aluminum reproduction minilites A new, complete, Advance Auto-wire wiring harness Extra Moldex crank- set up for Chevy bearings- with matching rods and pistons (unused) Extra rear springs, SU carburetors with ARE heat shield, driving lights, oil cooler, hard top rally light, rear luggage rack, Kas designed velocity stacks, ARE spun-aluminum headlamp covers with decals? $33,000 OBO- offer going out first to FOT, then will be in next edition on The Vintage Triumph classifieds, then ?. 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After that, you snooze, you... well, no one wants to lose. Order by filling in the spreadsheet here: > > jim > > -- > W4BEA > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 05:53:58 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1184271577.1838246.1588247638280@mail.yahoo.com> Hey - great vid. Peering into the future? To be honest, though, at around 2 minutes there's a moment that proves some guys have real class. C ya,Bob Lang On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 10:58:11 PM EDT, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens.? Give it a view.? Share your thoughts.? ? Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 05:54:27 2020 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube Message-ID: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 06:22:34 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> References: <5eaabc8e.1c69fb81.b874c.9c37@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1096027207.1841761.1588249354317@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - ya, I came up with this one: 4 wheel speed sensors and a bunch of accelerometers and other inputs is way better than my "seat" will ever be. =:-0 c ya,rml On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 7:55:08 AM EDT, Dean via Fot wrote: That was interesting. First thing I notice is how smoothly the steering wheel moves. No sawing Of the wheel back and forth. A lesson to be learned. ? Dean ? ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:58 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube ? Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens.? Give it a view.? Share your thoughts.? ? Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Apr 30 06:54:15 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! Stay safe. Bill On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Hey Gang, > Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid > recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. > Give it a view.? Share your thoughts. > Dave H. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 09:28:02 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. DH > On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. > > I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. > > The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! > > Stay safe. > > Bill > > On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > > > Hey Gang, > > Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. > > Give it a view. Share your thoughts. > > Dave H. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 09:45:32 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:45:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> References: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <5999097A-6069-4F39-8ED1-38CEA17F9E64@gmail.com> I guess your reputation preceeded you Dave ? > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:30 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > ? > A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. > DH >> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >> >> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >> >> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >> >> Stay safe. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>> Hey Gang, >>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>> Dave H. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FB_IMG_1588202837544.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46130 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 10:40:48 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:40:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. > DH >> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >> >> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >> >> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >> >> Stay safe. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>> Hey Gang, >>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>> Dave H. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 10:57:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75389099-ABA2-4927-9269-01D37F5079B7@gmail.com> Joan Fontaine was my seat mate on a flight to Iowa. I don?t think she was very happy about that. I am not sure she was very happy about anything. I had dinner with Debbie Reynolds, once. Except she was at the next table. (She was doing the TV remake of Unsinkable Molly Brown). She was very approachable. One of my friends invited her for drinks in the hotel bar. He was very pleased. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:41 AM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > ? > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Thu Apr 30 11:01:02 2020 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:01:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com>, <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think you?ve got Jackie Stewart wrong there - that was a thank you I suspect, rather than a blow out. He?s an absolute gentleman in my experience and is one of those guys that makes time when he has it, but every minute the man has when he is in public is scheduled and paid for, especially at events where he is representing his long standing sponsors and clients. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:41, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ? In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot > wrote: A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. DH On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! Stay safe. Bill On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: Hey Gang, Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. Give it a view. Share your thoughts. Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 13:19:55 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: It?s very possibly that I too misjudged Jane Seymour. In fact, one of my brothers has a great memory of sharing a moment with her, having words as he boarded an airplane in New York and they were both in first class. I think the point of sharing my story was that the slightest hint of rudeness by a celebrity can breed a memorable, hurtful memory in a fan. Such a slight from a stranger would be shrugged off and probably quickly forgotten. With celebrities, it?s different. On one hand, it seems unfair to the celebrities, but it is one of the costs of being a celebrity. Some take it in stride and learn how to make everyone feel touched. Think of Bill Clinton here. He?s known to work a room and make everyone feel personally acknowledged. (I?m not speaking as a fan of the Clintons, but it is a fact about his nature that probably played a big part in his becoming a governor and POTUS.) I worked on a commercial with Anthony Michael Hall a few years ago. My god, he went out of his way to make each crew member feel like they were the stars. I know he?s not a superstar, but he?s still a celebrity. He could have approached the crew with a 180 degree attitude! They can choose to act like spoiled children or they can recognize that many people they have never met may feel a connection to them as if they had met. I think those that embrace this live happier lives than those that yell obscenities or punch paparazzi in the face or their cameras for the slightest effort to get a picture or that grimace and turn away when recognized in public, etc. I met Kastner in person at a Triumphest. My TR4A was the most beat up and unrestored looking Triumph at the event. (I had only restored it mechanically, it had no top, no carpet, etc., and it roared with nothing but glass-packs!) Word got to me that it was his favorite car of the day. I?m sure he knew it would. Another case of a celebrity that appreciates the responsibility that comes with his celebrity rather than taking it like a bitter pill. He?s always a class act. My beater looking TR as it appeared about that time in the 90?s.... > On Apr 30, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Tony Sheach wrote: > > I think you?ve got Jackie Stewart wrong there - that was a thank you I suspect, rather than a blow out. > > He?s an absolute gentleman in my experience and is one of those guys that makes time when he has it, but every minute the man has when he is in public is scheduled and paid for, especially at events where he is representing his long standing sponsors and clients. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 30 Apr 2020, at 17:41, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > ? > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > > On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 424935 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 16:29:19 2020 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft Message-ID: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com> I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017. I received it in September 2017. At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block. It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block. The counterweights had not been completely machined. I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem. In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back. I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on. Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped. The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice. Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs. Twice I was told a check had been sent. I have not received the $130 as of this date. This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. Tim Murphy 1961 Triumph TR4 #317 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Apr 30 17:02:23 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft References: <2114606283.165189.1588287743534.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2114606283.165189.1588287743534@mail.yahoo.com> That is truly?a?sad story. ?So very hard to understand.? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Thursday, April 30, 2020,?timmmurphh--- via Fot??wrote: I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. ? I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date. ? This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. ? Tim Murphy 1961 Triumph TR4 #317 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 17:09:24 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:09:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft Message-ID: Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 17:23:55 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood youtube In-Reply-To: <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> References: <146022070.481164.1588215470148@connect.xfinity.com> <279641730.485324.1588260482651@connect.xfinity.com> <631C5B6D-102B-4DA6-B709-B2075CAD52ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've met Jay Leno at Laguna during the historical races a few times, but the first time was the most memorable. It was early on a Thursday or Friday morning when the paddock was fairly quiet. I was with a friend and saw a Berkeley with the front body work off. Knowing there was a motorcycle engine of some sort in there, I went over for a closer look. I was studying it's Norton engine and other components with great interest. In my excitement to share what I was looking at, I made a really quick pivot to call my friend over and slammed into someone standing closely and silently looking right over my shoulder at the same machine. In an instant I body slammed Jay Leno. I stepped on his foot, kicked him in the shin, elbowed him in the gut and my shoulder just grazed his chin. Before I noticed it was him I grunted and cursed, then looked up and said something like, oh hello and excuse me, I beg your pardon. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote: > > In 2004, my mom spent months creating several paintings for an upcoming charity art show. Actress Jane Seymour, who is also an artist, was the celebrity anchor of the show. Just weeks before the show, my mom passed away, in her sleep, from a heart attack. I contacted her friends involved in the show and arranged for her art to still be put on display in the show. I did it for my mom and I did because I wanted to see her friends that would be attending as I knew I?d likely never have an opportunity to see many of them again. At the show, I ran into Jane Seymour. Being a prop master in the film business, I?ve been on sets and locations with a lot of movie stars, but there?s never an opportunity to just have a conversation. Frankly, it?s frowned upon. Suddenly she?s right there in front of me, and i was thrilled with the opportunity have a few words with her. I introduced myself by explaining my mom was also exhibiting in the show, but that she had just passed away, and I started to mention my connection to the film buiz, when I realized she wasn?t paying attention to a word I was saying. She was rubber necking around me, looking at everyone but me. She totally blew me off. > > Every time I see her on one of her TV commercials, I feel a little ill. The way she put me off when I was still mourning the sudden loss of my mother just burned a hole in my psyche that I can?t shake. When I think how all she had to do was be polite and share a sentence or two with this young man, that had just lost his mother, to bring a little sunshine back to his soul, just kills me. > > Many celebrities have no idea the impact they have when they?re rude. Some do get it. I remember Angie Dickinson, early in my career arriving on a set, no handlers, no entourage, no demands, dressed rather frumpy, just walking up to craft service and grabbing a morning snack, and greeting me (at that time a carpenter) like any other crew member, as an equal. That small gesture made her one of my most favorite celebrities in terms of those that I had contact with. She?s second only to Meg Ryan. I had picked up some prop from Paramount Studios and happened to walk passed her trailer. The door was open and we caught eyes. And she gave me the sweetest ?come hither? smile I?d ever seen from an attractive young woman yet alone a movie star. That one smile, instead of a What-the-fuck-are-you-looking at? grimace, and she could do no wrong in my eyes for the rest of my life! > > Jackie Stewart apparently is one of those that just don?t get it. Shame. > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:28 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >> >> A couple years ago, at the Rolex Reunion, Jackie Stewart was walking by in front of my TR3 with another person and said something like, this is a Triumph TR3, very good car, my brother had one of these. I motioned to come closer to have a look, he waved and shook his head no and walked away. He totally blew me off. >> DH >>> On April 30, 2020 at 5:54 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Wow. John Young Stewart: what class! Giving the rose to the girl in the wheelchair. Sir Jackie is in a class by himself. >>> >>> I saw him race F1 at the Glen several times. Also drove a Lola Can Am car in '71. >>> >>> The sound of a Cosworth Ford sure beats the whirl of an electric car. Darned old Luddite! >>> >>> Stay safe. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>>> On 4/29/2020 10:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: >>>> Hey Gang, >>>> Goodwood is one of my favorite youtube channels. They shared this vid recently. 5:00 minutes in something really strange happens. >>>> Give it a view. Share your thoughts. >>>> Dave H. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6PdOFBN5w >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Thu Apr 30 17:27:17 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. Block goes back. Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. silly me. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 17:31:31 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:31:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> References: <8B006E6F-EFD9-4284-A450-0FF402684EB7@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> Yup, we had a head....they were supposed to skim at .010. I think they dialed in .100. Said they didn?t. End of story. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > ?Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. > > Block goes back. > > Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. > > Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. > > Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. > > Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. > > silly me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Apr 30 17:43:25 2020 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:43:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms - Rick Cline Record In-Reply-To: <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com> References: <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <728963C3-4BCB-4605-A8E5-5ABF257457F3@wi.rr.com> FoT, Note the track length of 1.70 miles. This was before they added 3A and expanded the track to 1.950 miles. Allen Washatko TR6 - #6 > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Apr 30 19:31:41 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:31:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> References: <6627B869-B202-49B4-A735-87EA00E6948C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gave the machine shop very specific instructions including the Kas Spitfire book. Engine lasted 22 minutes. > On Apr 30, 2020, at 19:31, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Yup, we had a head....they were supposed to skim at .010. I think they dialed in .100. > > Said they didn?t. End of story. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Greg Blake wrote: >> >> ?Sadly, Pops and I had a similar experience with a machine shop and their inability to bore a TR6 block to the specified dimension for new pistons. The first attempt, pistons would not even go in the block. By the time I am ready for pistons, I am hours in to cleaning and prepping a block. Talk about frustration. >> >> Block goes back. >> >> Next try, we are a little smarter, first thing we check is piston clearance. Guess what, the pistons don?t fit. >> >> Block goes back and a very long conversation commences with machinist. >> >> Block comes home and by this time we had finally purchased a dial bore gauge. We check the bores and clearances are spot on. >> >> Lesson learned. Trust but verify. Funny because that?s my mantra at work being an engineer. >> >> silly me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Bummer. That?s a lot of work. A lot of frustration. >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> 4505 Donald Dr >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>> The-vintage-racer.com >>> Gasketinnovations.com >>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>> >>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >