From vfracing at aol.com Sat Aug 1 03:51:16 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 05:51:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. > > I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. > > I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... > Jack > > > > > > On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwestfall at ymail.com Sat Aug 1 07:59:17 2020 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Message-ID: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 08:48:06 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2052966010.134828.1596293286413@mail.yahoo.com> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical.? I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.? It didn't work!? So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Aug 1 08:51:37 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is missing... The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as robust. Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio requirements. Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their results. Worked for me, just sayin'... Henry On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Aug 1 08:57:53 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1738957132.135797474.1596293873188.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> "Staking the head", as per the Kas Kastner books :I've done it on 3 cylinderheads so far. It is really straightforward and a good measure for peace of mind. If the staking is done before milling the head, the screws are nicely flush by itself . The 4 cyl TR engines are 60+ yrs old by now and more often than not, the liners are not protruding evenly and milling the block is necessary. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Phil Gott" , "Jack Wheeler" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 augustus 2020 15:59:17 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Best Head Gasket I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. Cheers! Russ Westfall [ https://yho.com/footer0 | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ] On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. [ https://www.cometic.com/ | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure ] [ https://www.cometic.com/ | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme PressureCometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... ] Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 09:00:16 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> The liner protrusion spec I mentioned in my previous email (.003" - .005") is right from the TR-4 Factory Workshop Manual.? Obviously, this implies use of a stock factory head gasket.? I used this same spec with the factory steel shim gaskets for 24 years in my race engines and never had a failure.? If manufacturers of other head gaskets recommend a different protrusion spec, obviously go with their recommendation. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 10:52:14 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot wrote: Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is missing... The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as robust. Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio requirements. Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their results. Worked for me, just sayin'... Henry On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Aug 1 09:18:00 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 08:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <320136122.32060.1596295080863@connect.xfinity.com> I ran a steel shim gasket with copper wire ring on the head side, milled the block for truing and had .006" protrusion. >10.5:1 compression with .125" milled off the head. No problems after 19 events (at least 20 hours on track) and 5,500 miles of street driving and club tours. The stock liners were bored and honed with a torque plate in place. I had expert guidance, thanks Greg, during this, my first TR motor build. Dave H. > On 08/01/2020 8:00 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > > > The liner protrusion spec I mentioned in my previous email (.003" - .005") is right from the TR-4 Factory Workshop Manual. Obviously, this implies use of a stock factory head gasket. I used this same spec with the factory steel shim gaskets for 24 years in my race engines and never had a failure. If manufacturers of other head gaskets recommend a different protrusion spec, obviously go with their recommendation. > > Jack > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 10:52:14 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is > missing... > > The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of > getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many > solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are > variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own > recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the > letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, > others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the > liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. > > Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to > liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches > your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as > robust. > > Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, > are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can > be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used > correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you > can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio > requirements. > > Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 > people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different > solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy > their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their > results. > > Worked for me, just sayin'... > > Henry > > > On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > Phil, Dave, > > > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > > > Thank you > > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Aug 1 11:46:13 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 17:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket References: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> The original cylinder sleeve?specs are for original factory?head gaskets. ?They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. ?The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. ?Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall?thickness. ?I measured this at 100 lbs torque.? Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. ? Its actually pretty simple. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Saturday, August 1, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical.? I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.? It didn't work!? So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Aug 1 12:28:44 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> References: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. > > Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. > > Its actually pretty simple. > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. > > Jack > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: > > > I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. > Cheers! > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Michael; >> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. >> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. >> The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. >> Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. >> >> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. >> >> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. >> >> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >> >> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... >> Jack >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Phil, Dave, >> >> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. >> >> Thank you >> Michael L >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Aug 1 12:43:43 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All really good advice, especially following one recipe no mixing and matching and it will work out for you. I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne type (composite) gaskets. I?ve got a race motor with 12.75 compression with about 20 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I?ve always used the Payne style gaskets. Wow now I?ve done it, I?m sure I have a motor rebuild in my near future now. Best of luck, Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. > Phil > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. >> >> Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. >> >> Its actually pretty simple. >> >> MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 >> Fax 626.628.3777 >> Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 >> T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. >> >> Jack >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: >> >> >> I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. >> Cheers! >> Russ Westfall >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Michael; >> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. >> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. >> The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. >> Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. >>> >>> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. >>> >>> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. >>> >>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >>> >>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >>> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Phil, Dave, >>> >>> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Michael L >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 16:08:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> John, There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. Please don?t be disappointed, John. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > deserved! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Aug 1 16:33:10 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 22:33:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EB6C3CF-A863-4C59-9DF7-4F5AAE6D4566@mhc-law.com> Greg: We do the same @ 12.1 and have not had a problem for years. Careful assembly, straight block & head & correct cyl hight with a good composite gasket works for us. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: ? All really good advice, especially following one recipe no mixing and matching and it will work out for you. I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne type (composite) gaskets. I?ve got a race motor with 12.75 compression with about 20 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I?ve always used the Payne style gaskets. Wow now I?ve done it, I?m sure I have a motor rebuild in my near future now. Best of luck, Greg Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. Its actually pretty simple. MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall > wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. Cheers! Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot > wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. 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URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 18:50:04 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 19:50:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports > Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive > interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by > John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but > there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited > distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sun Aug 2 19:09:43 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 18:09:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Looking forward to that article Shawn. As to the video? It?s coming! In the meantime I just uploaded the trailer to YouTube? https://youtu.be/I3t_H_ljuGE > On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p > > I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. > > SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. > > Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 05:52:03 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 06:52:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Message-ID: I read a couple of people talking about milling the block deck. I have seen two blocks that were milled, one on a club member's car that had head gasket issues and another on a block I was checking to build a race engine. No doubt that both had been milled with the block flat on the milling table. With liners in place, boring plate installed, the deck surface was off by 2 thousands side to side. Not very head gasket friendly. I did some measuring and realized that the figure 8 surface was also off by the same amount. Both could have been the result of sloppy machine work but I came to the conclusion that the factory block deck and figure eight machining was done at the same time. I haven't yet decked a block but if I did I would measure the figure 8 surface relative to the deck first. YMMV. Bob Kramer On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:51 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Michael; > It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to > .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 > gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled > to achieve the proper protrusion. > If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider > staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the > Kastner book. It is weak in this area. > The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not > tried all of it. > Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with > the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your > gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: > > ? > I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. > I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head > gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in > the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day > 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into > the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull > some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests > for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant > system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the > head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. > > I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a > local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had > never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so > surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the > internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR > engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for > different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different > thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the > thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a > little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I > ordered one. > > I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and > suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car > since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree > days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. > By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I > also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do > not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check > it out. > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of > motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... > > Jack > > > > > > On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 > #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Aug 3 07:50:04 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 09:50:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <419CB464-2C98-466D-86A9-5632CADCB3E2@me.com> wow, great trailer. Can?t wait! On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: Looking forward to that article Shawn. As to the video? It?s coming! In the meantime I just uploaded the trailer to YouTube? https://youtu.be/I3t_H_ljuGE > On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: > > I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p > > I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. > > SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. > > Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Mon Aug 3 08:59:14 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2122806933.694568.1596466754227@mail.yahoo.com> Excellent, Shawn.? Looking forward to the article!? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank via Fot To: Joe Alexander Cc: Friends of Triumph ; John Davaies Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: John, There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. Please don?t be disappointed, John. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > deserved! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to >? ? fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >? ? fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at >? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 14:26:06 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Photo of a 2020 Peggy Kastner Award needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1422062882.36703.1596486366747@mail.yahoo.com> Looks like they were wrapped up when I took a picture of them: Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 3, 2020, 4:13 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: As I finish off the film of this year?s Kastner Cup, I need a photo of one of this year?s Peggy Kastner Awards for the end titles sequence. If anyone who has one could shoot a picture square-on without reflections and email it to me, it would be much appreciated. A phone picture will be fine, and I can crop out any background. Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 907AB554-6225-4320-B93E-A4274728C09A.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2725944 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Aug 5 06:27:58 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:27:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Photo of a 2020 Peggy Kastner Award needed Message-ID: I will grant you this is not the best pic ever taken. But it was my best try Mike Jackson TR3 #62 Sent from EarthLink Mobile mail On 8/3/20, 4:12 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: As I finish off the film of this year?s Kastner Cup, I need a photo of one of this year?s Peggy Kastner Awards for the end titles sequence. If anyone who has one could shoot a picture square-on without reflections and email it to me, it would be much appreciated. A phone picture will be fine, and I can crop out any background. Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 07:27:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 06:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= Message-ID: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From bownes at seiri.com Fri Aug 7 08:48:51 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:48:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= In-Reply-To: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> References: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 09:23:56 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 11:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= In-Reply-To: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> References: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> Message-ID: <911414B9-F289-4F7D-9F3D-9B91D91BA77B@gmail.com> Kas can recite his lap times from 1956, on street tires and remind you that he is still faster than you! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ?As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From billdentin at aol.com Fri Aug 7 11:58:51 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= References: <782343163.1550229.1596823131456.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <782343163.1550229.1596823131456@mail.yahoo.com> I never claimed to be FAST.? ?I always thought of myself as "HALF FAST". Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, August 7, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Kas can recite his lap times from 1956, on street tires and remind you that he is still faster than you! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ?As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell:? 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > > > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot > > wrote: > >> > >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but > he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell:? 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It has a motor that needs to be reworked but also overdrive tranny and all necessary parts to basically make it whole if someone wanted to. My intent was to put the complete 74 body which just needs some tlc and paint on this chassis. I have a 79 that was raced a few time in the northwest. The engine and many other parts could be a great source for to build a full Spitfire with overdrive. Just dreams... I am going to get pictures tomorrow of everything but I would like to sell all of it if possible as a package deal. Not looking for much, only like $5k for all of it. If any of you are interested please let me know. I will reply tomorrow to this string with many pictures. Richard Mercer 858-285-5673 The -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Tue Aug 11 18:41:38 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Message-ID: Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linney https://ClassicMotorFilms.com NEW RELEASE Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms Subscribe ?to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. Share Tweet Forward MORE VIDEOS Facebook Instagram YouTube Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. Our mailing address is: Classic Motor Films 13624 Westover Dr Saratoga, CA 95070-5136 Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Aug 12 07:37:10 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: <1255558718.593808.1597238573987@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1255558718.593808.1597238573987@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <310854045.598853.1597239430094@mail.yahoo.com> Nicely done! Thanks must have been a ton of work, thanks! General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge" On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:22:53 AM EDT, Rick Parent wrote: FYI General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge" ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: John Linney via Fot To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 08:42:10 PM EDTSubject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened.? So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linneyhttps://ClassicMotorFilms.com | | | | | | | | | NEW RELEASE | | | | | | Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. | | | | KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era.??The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars.? ? Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. ? Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened.? ? If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films.? ? https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms ? | | | | Subscribe?to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. | | | | | | | | | | Share | | | | | | | Tweet | | | | | | | Forward | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MORE VIDEOS | | | | | | | | | | | | | Facebook | | | | Instagram | | | | YouTube | | | | | | | | | | | Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. 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URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Aug 12 07:49:48 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <129979007.682869.1597240188515@mail.yahoo.com> Great job, John.? Thanks for such a great effort!-- Jay -----Original Message----- From: John Linney via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 8:41 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened.? So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linneyhttps://ClassicMotorFilms.com | | | | | | | | | NEW RELEASE | | | | | | Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. | | | | KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era.??The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars.? ? Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. ? Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened.? ? If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. > > So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. > > If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > John Linney > https://ClassicMotorFilms.com > > > NEW RELEASE > > Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. > KASTNER CUP 2020 > THE RETURN TO MID OHIO > The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. > > The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. > > Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. > > Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. > > If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films. > > https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > Subscribe to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. > Share > Tweet > Forward > MORE VIDEOS > > Facebook > > Instagram > > YouTube > Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. > > Our mailing address is: > Classic Motor Films > 13624 Westover Dr > Saratoga, CA 95070-5136 > > Add us to your address book > > > Want to change how you receive these emails? > You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. > > So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. > > If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > John Linney > https://ClassicMotorFilms.com > > NEW RELEASE https://youtu.be/Jb8_izXOPos > Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. > KASTNER CUP 2020 > THE RETURN TO MID OHIO > The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. > > The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. > > Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. > > Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. > > If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Aug 12 10:14:56 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:14:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: <976233166.500.1597248248096@connect.xfinity.com> References: <976233166.500.1597248248096@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1D6923C9-0AD3-4C88-9334-2344B5B34095@linneyweb.com> Thanks Dave. That was my 360 camera, and you?d be welcome to borrow it if you?d like to give one a try. I may feel compelled to do a movie though :). The only downside is that the files are huge and it takes some computer muscle to deal with them. I also wish the quality was better, but you always get the shot you need. Let me know. I?d love to put it to use again. -john BTW. It?s an Insta360 ONE R. > On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:04 AM, DAVE HOGYE wrote: > > ? > Thanks John. Nice production. > I'll have to ask Mike Moore about his 360 camera. It seems to make sense over having two cameras and the resolution looks excellent. > Dave H. >> On 08/11/2020 5:41 PM John Linney via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. >> >> So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. >> >> If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms >> >> John Linney >> https://ClassicMotorFilms.com >> >> >> NEW RELEASE >> >> Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. >> KASTNER CUP 2020 >> THE RETURN TO MID OHIO >> The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. >> >> The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. >> >> Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. >> >> Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. >> >> If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films. >> >> https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms >> >> Subscribe to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. >> Share >> Tweet >> Forward >> >> >> >> >> MORE VIDEOS >> >> Facebook >> >> Instagram >> >> YouTube >> >> Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. >> >> Our mailing address is: >> Classic Motor Films >> 13624 Westover Dr >> Saratoga, CA 95070-5136 >> >> Add us to your address book >> >> >> Want to change how you receive these emails? >> You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Aug 12 10:20:47 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:20:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tim. It was a blast to make it. Looking forward to future races. And yes you do need to get a camera :). I recommend the GoPro Hero 8 Black. For much less than the cost of a thrown rod, it has great stabilization (no more jelly wobble video), great field of view, really good video quality. I even wrote an article on what to look for. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera -john > On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Tim Slater via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great job and many thanks for all the work that went into the movie ! I really enjoyed the event and maybe I need to get a camera now ! > Tim Slater > Spitfire #17 > > > > Phone: 561-820-0021 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 19:46:18 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:46:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. Message-ID: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> Anyone have a line on one? Asking for a friend. Thanks? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Aug 12 20:14:14 2020 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 21:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. In-Reply-To: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> References: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D6ABE432597458E9F91AEB48D745ADB@Rocky> Not sure what a "tropical" fan is, but for my Spitfire race car I bought a plastic Corvette fan, 6 blades, cut down the blades and drilled new bolt holes. Works great. --Rocky Entriken -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. Anyone have a line on one? Asking for a friend. Thanks? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From cofrog at q.com Thu Aug 13 12:26:46 2020 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings Message-ID: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cofrog at q.com Thu Aug 13 12:26:46 2020 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings Message-ID: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Thu Aug 13 12:39:41 2020 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry Ross WPTA Membership Director FOT Member ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Aug 13 13:40:01 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> I'll discuss it. TRF was at a lot of events over the years promoting their British car parts so I consider the facts fair game. There are facts out there; let them be known. We investors were lied to about Runyan's supposed life insurance policy. It didn't exist. I'll be taking a fatty as will my cousin who also invested. Luckily we can easily weather the storm. The people who will make out no matter what are the lawyers. They will get their cut first. I will say that all the folks who work (ed) at TRF are great people, especially Uncle Dave. Never had a question he couldn't answer. Hope he's enjoying retirement. I just don't like being lied to. Getting jaded in my old age I guess. My 5 Grand worth. Stay safe everyone. This too will pass. My own personal thoughts. Bill On 8/13/2020 2:39 PM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have > suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an > FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via > Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > *To:* triumph fot ; triumph fot > *Subject:* [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The > Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.??? I > did send an email to to their??? attorney early on.??? Is this sufficient > for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:41:48 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Aug 13 14:59:32 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul > On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot > wrote: > >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot > on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot >; triumph fot > >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 13 15:04:35 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:04:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> I'm still waiting for my next annual T Shirt from the Coventry Motoring and Aviation Society. mjb. From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Thu Aug 13 15:14:54 2020 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 21:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net>, <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Paul ? I don?t think that anyone is trying to ?silence? you or anyone else for that matter. Simply put, my personal opinion is that this is just not the right forum. Do you think that Albert knew that the Investment Program was underfunded? I?m guessing that he probably did not know. Did the people who invested in The Program due their ?due diligence? Probably not. Did the people who invested in The Program actually ASK to look at the amount of Life Insurance in place? Probably not. There is nothing wrong with expressing your frustrations, I see it every day via Facebook with parts suppliers (British Parts suppliers included). I agree that freedom of speech is important. However, as my mother used to say: ?Don?t air your dirty laundry in public?. Larry Ross WPTA Membership Director FOT Member Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings I'm still waiting for my next annual T Shirt from the Coventry Motoring and Aviation Society. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.fot-racing.com__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIOjZ-Uy0$ Donate: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.team.net/donate.html__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSI0PkKDx4$ Archive: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://autox.team.net/archive__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIFgKmU7o$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIQRtofaw$ Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lawrenceross at allstate.com__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSI4WcLUs0$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 16:04:16 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - The Return To Mid Ohio - YouTube References: Message-ID: <3A0DBCCB-C014-4F5E-BA2B-511CDB5F35B8@gmail.com> FOT: See Clark?s comments below. Did everyone see John Linney?s Kastner Cup Film? It is certainly worthy of discussion on the list. It will become a ?Classic? as time races on. Thank you John Linney and all who made it possible. Every attempt was made to give credit. Regards, Begin forwarded message: > From: Clark Lincoln > Date: August 12, 2020 at 10:43:42 AM CDT > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Re: Kastner Cup 2020 - The Return To Mid Ohio - YouTube > > ? > Joe - This has got to be one of the best race videos I've ever seen! Thanks to all the in car cameras from the drivers and the excellent editing, I really felt like I was there. Clearly showed the "incident" that took Halkius out and apparently damaged the TR8 a bit-sad... > > Again congratulations to you and the team for making this happen. > > ?Clark > > From: Joe Alexander > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:47 PM > To: Clark Lincoln > Subject: Kastner Cup 2020 - The Return To Mid Ohio - YouTube > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8_izXOPos&feature=youtu.be > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:19:25 2020 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> Message-ID: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 16:35:29 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. > > like Paul stated, my two cents > > Ralph > >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >> > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:39:03 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <961860483.1434931.1597358343493@mail.yahoo.com> Just remember, before he died, we all loved Charles Runyan.? I, for one, don't need or want to hear any unfortunate news about his business skills.? He still did a lot for the sports car hobby. Jack On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:20:22 PM EDT, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:39:47 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, Joe. On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:36:10 PM EDT, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: ? I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Aug 13 16:48:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:48:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agree with you Joe; I think it?s terrific that we have parts suppliers such as TRF who seek out sources of parts and or commission the production of those NLA. Understandably, and sadly, sometimes that ambition may run amuck with finances and someone or some grouo gets burned. I can only think it was done only with the best of intentions. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I agree, Joe. > >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:36:10 PM EDT, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. >> >> like Paul stated, my two cents >> >> Ralph >> >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. >> >> The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience >> >> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 >> >> I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot ; triumph fot >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:00:07 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74734C2D-9199-4AF1-B482-8462C08B04ED@gmail.com> . I think it?s perfectly fine to have brought up the topic here, and have a few exchanges about it, but as an off topic turns into a more involved thread, there comes a time to think about options, like taking it private amongst those that chimed in. I provided a triumph forum link, where the topic is specifically the issue being discussed. Clearly there is a plethora of info posted there and anything an FOT member could offer there would reach a larger spectrum of Roadster Factory customers/investors then on this private group. I didn?t call for posts to stop, to be removed, or anyone to be cancelled. I just agree that the forum should try to steer itself to staying relatively on topic. Yes, we choose what we read and what we don?t, but if it didn?t matter how many subject lines we must scroll through, why not join dozens of newsgroups? Few people want to scroll through hundreds of emails to find the few they think they want to read. A few back and forths on nearly any topic should be allowed without folk crying murder, because it gives members a chance to share a topic and find members/friends that have an interest, etc. If you can?t post anything unless it?s racing specific, it stifles the social aspect of the newsgroup. ?Justin > On Aug 13, 2020, at 3:19 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. > > like Paul stated, my two cents > > Ralph > > On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > > Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? > > The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. > > Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. > > Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. > > Freedom of speech is an important principle. > > Paul > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >> > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:08:25 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:08:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B1608C1-7035-4080-8B7C-94D07E0BD2CB@gmail.com> Agree TRF is trying to keep the good going. They have always been pretty good for my TR4A, TR250 parts and what they have for my several Spitfires. Parts availability the past year or two is not what it was from TRF. TRF quality is generally better than Moss, although Moss, BPNW and others do sell TRF sourced parts...it?s all a mixed bag. Check & verify what they (all of the suppliers) have and that it meets your needs/standards. I miss Uncle Dave, agree he never was unable to find an answer to questions and usually had a viable work around, if something was unavailable. Charles was dreamer and a great marketing person! He did a lot for our cars/hobby. I looked at CIP and it wasn?t for me, nor the TRF car club, nor the motoring and avaiation society. For what the investors facilitated in TRF making new parts & keeping others available - I personally thank you! Never the less, The Investors should not have found themselves in a situation where there was no life insurance policy as was stated by Charles/TRF - sad, frustrating, maddening for sure. Terry > On Aug 13, 2020, at 18:35, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. >> >> like Paul stated, my two cents >> >> Ralph >> >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. >> >> The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience >> >> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 >> >> I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot ; triumph fot >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Aug 13 19:49:49 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (BILL DENTINGER) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings References: Message-ID: Charles and I were particularly close in the early 1980s. He was so ?preppy?. You know...sport coat in the boot because, ?you never know!? I made some catalog recommendations to him, and he put my mentor, Mike Belfer?s, picture on the back of an early one. Always had warm feelings for Charles and agree he did much for the hobby. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 11:37:38 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query References: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I know that wheels are wear items. But I have a question regarding Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. So, when in question - just toss? Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are painted and/or powder coated? Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 12:03:40 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:03:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query In-Reply-To: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> References: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I have cracked 3 sets of the 949racing wheels autoxing my MINI- I hand sanded thru the paint at the suspected crack and used a dye penetrant test on them to verify what I could see with my naked eye. After that, I went to a slightly heavier wheel. No cracks to report.... Real Panasports are real $$, might be worth at least checking one. In semi related news, I just ordered a pair of the VTO 8 spoke wheels made to a non-standard offset to try on my GT6. Ordered thru the website- super easy. They had them machined and shipped out in less than 1 week. So far a great experience. Jason On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > I know that wheels are wear items. But I have a question regarding > Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports > are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I > have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a > crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's > headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. > > So, when in question - just toss? > > Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are > painted and/or powder coated? > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 14 15:25:55 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query In-Reply-To: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> References: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <274202617.1666057.1597440355690@mail.yahoo.com> Dye penetrant or even better Zyglo. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 1:37 pm Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query Hi, I know that wheels are wear items. But I have a question regarding Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. So, when in question - just toss? Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are painted and/or powder coated? Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 17:48:26 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Aug 14 19:07:49 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> Any chance a broken valve spring destroyed a bronze guide? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 19:16:29 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:16:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Valve spring shims? Chuck > On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:55 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 19:44:41 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:44:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> Crank timing gear shim? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Aug 14 19:49:29 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:49:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> Message-ID: <8748A829-E496-4955-BEAF-911ECDFE2B34@comcast.net> Distributor gear bushing? Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Any chance a broken valve spring destroyed a bronze guide? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Aug 14 20:38:35 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 02:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. References: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> Thats a lot of material. ?Magnetic? Cam bearing?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, August 14, 2020,?David Gott via Fot??wrote: So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Fri Aug 14 21:20:54 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I know you said you can?t find any play but I?d suggest a full tear down. That amount of metal is not good. This is just what you are seeing in the pan, think of what got circulated through the motor. Pull your bearings. My guess is they are gone. I saw this in a cut oil filter once and the rod bearings were shot. Actually crank was cracked in a couple locations too. Hopefully in your case just hammered bearings. My guess is your oil filter and cooler are full If this too. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Thats a lot of material. Magnetic? Cam bearing? > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Friday, August 14, 2020, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Aug 14 21:23:20 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 03:23:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com>, <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DFA516-4675-4219-ABAB-CD7063E02F0D@mhc-law.com> Something bad! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:47 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Crank timing gear shim? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? 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URL: From rbtr3a at cox.net Fri Aug 14 21:56:17 2020 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 23:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF Message-ID: I?m Very aware many had lost significant invest thru Charles Runyan?s failure to disclose the the fact that the investment I we're not secured thru a supposed life insurance policy. In personally do not believe he had Malice as his intent, I believe he though he could eventually pay everyone back. I personally don?t know anyone who hadn?t received some investment payment return. I?m not saying there weren?t, I just don?t know of anyone. Prior to his death everyone thought highly of him. I Also do not believe that Albert was copious in Charles intent. He has a enormous amount of weight on his shoulders in trying to keep the TRF upright, he also has the well-being and financial future of all his employees to be concerned with. Regardless of your opinion of Charles, he was responsible for many obsolete parts being remanufactured, he also helped in advancing the supply chain of our beloved hobby. Many of you know I just finished restoring a TR6 in honor of my brother. Albert personally handled every single transaction regarding my car. To me now is the time to support him and the TRF. We can?t afford to lose this valuable resource. There isn?t another vendor who supports our hobby as the they do. I?ve hosted several VTR regional and National conventions, the TRF was always willing to support the event either thru sponsorship or donations , and they were willing come and set up their store making parts available on site. No other vendor was willing to come and do this. I will, and intend to continue to purchase from them and I will be supporting them now more than ever. Can I purchase parts cheaper? probably. Am I willing to wait for backorders even though the same part is available from another vendor? Yes. And I have They have supported us now we need to support them. I am certain that those who had invested and lost their investment won?t feel as I do and that?s certainly understandable. That?s just my 2 cents Ronnie Babbitt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Aug 15 01:59:23 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 08:59:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 254 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c8a01d672d9$fd8db2c0$f8a91840$@btinternet.com> If no sign from elsewhere, think elsewhen. Could a DPO have had a bearing meltdown and never properly cleaned out the sump?? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 August 2020 03:39 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 254 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Aug 15 02:04:36 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 09:04:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 253 Wheel query Message-ID: <8cb001d672da$b7cb4f80$2761ee80$@btinternet.com> Ultrasonic testing of railway wheels is commonplace (ever since the wheelman walked along the train tapping them with his hammer!) This company in the UK uses ultrasound to test race components - I'm sure somewhere in the US will do the same. https://www.resolutionndt.uk/services/automotive -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 August 2020 00:49 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 253 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Aug 15 04:35:57 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> Bearing... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: David Gott via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 13:24:53 2020 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You are not alone in your position. Bruce Stutzman On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:57 PM Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: > > I?m Very aware many had lost significant invest thru Charles Runyan?s > failure to disclose the the fact that the investment I we're not secured > thru a supposed life insurance policy. In personally do not believe he had > Malice as his intent, I believe he though he could eventually pay everyone > back. I personally don?t know anyone who hadn?t received some investment > payment return. I?m not saying there weren?t, I just don?t know of > anyone. Prior to his death everyone thought highly of him. > > I Also do not believe that Albert was copious in Charles intent. He has a > enormous amount of weight on his shoulders in trying to keep the TRF > upright, he also has the well-being and financial future of all his > employees to be concerned with. > > Regardless of your opinion of Charles, he was responsible for many > obsolete parts being remanufactured, he also helped in advancing the supply > chain of our beloved hobby. > > Many of you know I just finished restoring a TR6 in honor of my brother. > Albert personally handled every single transaction regarding my car. To me > now is the time to support him and the TRF. We can?t afford to lose this > valuable resource. There isn?t another vendor who supports our hobby as the > they do. I?ve hosted several VTR regional and National conventions, the TRF > was always willing to support the event either thru sponsorship or > donations , and they were willing come and set up their store making parts > available on site. No other vendor was willing to come and do this. > > I will, and intend to continue to purchase from them and I will be > supporting them now more than ever. Can I purchase parts cheaper? > probably. Am I willing to wait for backorders even though the same part is > available from another vendor? Yes. And I have > > They have supported us now we need to support them. I am certain that > those who had invested and lost their investment won?t feel as I do and > that?s certainly understandable. > > That?s just my 2 cents > > Ronnie Babbitt > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 18:57:45 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 00:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for all the responses! ? Here are the results.....but first, have you all seen Ford vs Ferrari? ? Remember the scene where Carrol throws a nut under the Ferrari in the pits, and it is later discovered by the crew, and they all freak out? ? Yes, this appears to be that.? Tore down the engine and there is nothing currently in the engine that this came from; we inspected every moving part. ? So must have been hiding somewhere in the block from before... or one of you put something in there when I wasn?t looking at the Kastner cup! ? Haha. Realistically something must have been lodged somewhere; although I?ve had the pan dropped several times since taking custody of the car and never found anything odd. ? Maybe this was a copper washer that I lost at some point! One item we did find, however, which was good to find, is that cylinder one small end on the connecting rod wasn?t reamed correctly and was hanging up in the wrist pin a bit. ? This is the only part (wrist pins and small end bushes)?I haven?t addressed in the engine, so off to the machine shop it goes for a new small end bush to be put in. ?However, no appreciable material was worn from the bushing, and certainly not that amount of material! ? So a worthwhile project, but I?ll have to miss the night race at Thompson I was planning for this coming Saturday, I think. ? It?s the price I pay for doing what I can, when I can! ?But what fun would it be if there wasn?t anything to do?? Fun fact: Joe Gibbs Driven XP3 oil seems to be a solvent for Permatex Aviation gasket cement. ? The felts in the rear main cap were washed clean, resulting in an oil leak which launched this process in the first place. Take care, and thank you all for the input on and off list!! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 6:38 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: Bearing... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: David Gott via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > Can I get a second? > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfcc at hotmail.co.uk Sun Aug 16 01:42:32 2020 From: bfcc at hotmail.co.uk (John) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:42:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll second Curt.... just so long as I can have a go in his cars next time I'm over! John C. www.triumphdvd.co.uk Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:52:17 -0500 From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph , curt.johnston at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! Can I get a second? Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Aug 16 04:52:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10FD47CC-9E29-4F78-AB3C-AEF6F4098579@aol.com> BTW, As someone asked: the pile of metal is completely non-magnetic. Still a mystery as to what it is and where it came from and how it got into the ground up and hammered condition it is without going through any of the engine bearings, all of which looked scarcely worn, no scores.. Would be good to know. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 9:05 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Thank you all for all the responses! Here are the results... > ..but first, have you all seen Ford vs Ferrari? Remember the scene where Carrol throws a nut under the Ferrari in the pits, and it is later discovered by the crew, and they all freak out? Yes, this appears to be that. > > Tore down the engine and there is nothing currently in the engine that this came from; we inspected every moving part. So must have been hiding somewhere in the block from before... or one of you put something in there when I wasn?t looking at the Kastner cup! Haha. Realistically something must have been lodged somewhere; although I?ve had the pan dropped several times since taking custody of the car and never found anything odd. Maybe this was a copper washer that I lost at some point! > > One item we did find, however, which was good to find, is that cylinder one small end on the connecting rod wasn?t reamed correctly and was hanging up in the wrist pin a bit. This is the only part (wrist pins and small end bushes) I haven?t addressed in the engine, so off to the machine shop it goes for a new small end bush to be put in. However, no appreciable material was worn from the bushing, and certainly not that amount of material! So a worthwhile project, but I?ll have to miss the night race at Thompson I was planning for this coming Saturday, I think. It?s the price I pay for doing what I can, when I can! But what fun would it be if there wasn?t anything to do?? > > Fun fact: Joe Gibbs Driven XP3 oil seems to be a solvent for Permatex Aviation gasket cement. The felts in the rear main cap were washed clean, resulting in an oil leak which launched this process in the first place. > > Take care, and thank you all for the input on and off list!! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 6:38 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Bearing... > > Glen Efinger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Gott via Fot > To: FOT List > Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm > Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. > > > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:42 AM, John via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll second Curt.... just so long as I can have a go in his cars next time I'm over! > > John C. > www.triumphdvd.co.uk > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:52:17 -0500 > From: Shawn Frank > To: Friends of Triumph , curt.johnston at comcast.net > Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. > > He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He > would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > Can I get a second? > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 16 06:18:05 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination References: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$.ref@rogers.com> Message-ID: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> Regarding the nomination of Curt Johnston, he was already a member. Paul From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: March 9, 2018 10:28 AM To: Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Cc: Curt & Debbie Johnston Subject: Wedge Nomination I would like to nominate Curt Johnston for membership. Curt is a long time Triumph owner, lives in the San Francisco area and has found A Huffaker TR8 convertible that is now being restored at the Huffaker garages. Here are a few words from Curt. People will be interested to learn that we will have both No. 11 cars driven by Lee Mueller at Monterey Car Week in August later this year (Carmel By The Sea Concours on the Avenue). These are the black TR7 and 8 convertibles. Lee also drove the silver TR7. In 2019, both cars should be at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion. I wanted to wait a year on the historic races, so I could get enough experience to drive it myself. Its going to be really cool to see a couple of wedges at these events, and hopefully folks outside the wedge community will understand why we like these cars so much Pictures of his car are here https://www.flickr.com/photos/162456495 at N07/ He has mentioned that he would like to race at a future Kastner cup event. Can I get a second for Curt? Thanks Paul MacDonald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 06:38:46 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:38:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> References: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$.ref@rogers.com> <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul. I wanted to make sure. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 7:18 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > Regarding the nomination of Curt Johnston, he was already a member. > > > > Paul > > > > *From:* Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > *Sent:* March 9, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Fot (fot at autox.team.net) > *Cc:* Curt & Debbie Johnston > *Subject:* Wedge Nomination > > > > I would like to nominate Curt Johnston for membership. Curt is a long time > Triumph owner, lives in the San Francisco area and has found A Huffaker TR8 > convertible that is now being restored at the Huffaker garages. Here are a > few words from Curt. > > > > People will be interested to learn that we will have both No. 11 cars > driven by Lee Mueller at Monterey Car Week in August later this year > (Carmel By The Sea Concours on the Avenue). These are the black TR7 and 8 > convertibles. Lee also drove the silver TR7. In 2019, both cars should be > at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion. I wanted to wait a year on the > historic races, so I could get enough experience to drive it myself. 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URL: From curt.johnston at comcast.net Sat Aug 15 21:54:57 2020 From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 20:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1015700854.1939372.1597539625457@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1087808639.18522.1597550097794@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks Shawn, David and Bill for the nomination. I wanted to give you a bit of background. Back in the early-mid 1970's my Dad owned a Triumph TR3A that was my daily driver in High School. The first car I purchased was a TR4 during my senior year in High School. I rebuilt the TR4 engine and kept it in good condition. The year I graduated from College, the convertible TR8 came out. As a young Triumph fan, I liked the look of the convertible and the Rover V8 in particular. But I fully understand why so many folks prefer the TR2-6 cars. Since I've driven a TR3 and TR4 daily, I know they are fantastic cars, but you always want what you couldn't get back in the day. I've owned wedges since the early 1990s and have four now; a fully restored 1980 TR8, a 1981 TR8 project car for my wife Debbie, and the two Huffaker wedges. I own the race cars because a good friend of mine owns one of the original Factory Works Triumph TR7 V8 rally cars. In 2016, I hung out with him at the Sonoma Raceway Kastner Cup. By the end of the weekend I knew I had to join the fun. I researched which Triumph model to buy or build, but I just couldn't get the Huffaker wedges out of my head. I wanted a convertible race car, and t he Huffaker shop at Sonoma Raceway was just 35 minutes from my home. I talked to Joe Huffaker and he gave me a tip about one of the original TR8 convertibles. It took about three months to find the car in a barn in Oregon. That was in 2017. Joe tried to convince me to buy the Huffaker TR7 before I found the TR8, but I really wanted the V8. After I started restoration on 8, I ended up getting the 7 as well. It was a just a rolling chassis at the time. In 2019, the restorations were completed and we wanted to participate in the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. I guess I've always appreciated the history or story behind the cars, so my goal was to recreate the 1980 west coast Triumph factory sponsored SCCA race team. I got to know John Mueller and invited him to drive the TR7. John is the son of Lee Mueller, the original driver of both Huffaker No. 11 wedges. Since I hadn't driven in a vintage race, Joe Huffaker was to drive the TR8. Many of you may know how that turned out. But my goal of course was to drive the cars myself. So the 2020 Kastner Cup was my first shot, and it turned out about as well as one might expect. With that said, I really want to make sure that we preserve the history and heritage of Triumph race cars. The Kastner Cup is absolutely critical. So I've offered to help out in any way I can. I am so thankful to Kas and Joe Alexander for doing all of the heavy lifting to start and keep the Kastner Cup rolling for the past 17 years. Its a fantastic tribute to the Triumph brand and Kas Kastner. Thanks for the time, and your nomination to FOT. Curt Johnston > On 08/15/2020 6:39 PM BILL DENTINGER wrote: > > > I?ll second that as well. > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Aug 15, 2020, at 6:05 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I?ll second for Curt! > > > > Dave Gott > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 8:52 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. > > > > > > He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > > > > > Can I get a second? > > > > > > Shawn Frank > > > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > > > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > > > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > > > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > > > Iowa British Car Club > > > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > > > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > > > 515-339-4228 > > > > > > > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > > > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > > > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Johnston via Fot Sent: August 15, 2020 11:55 PM To: BILL DENTINGER; David Gott Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination Thanks Shawn, David and Bill for the nomination. With that said, I really want to make sure that we preserve the history and heritage of Triumph race cars. The Kastner Cup is absolutely critical. So I've offered to help out in any way I can. I am so thankful to Kas and Joe Alexander for doing all of the heavy lifting to start and keep the Kastner Cup rolling for the past 17 years. Its a fantastic tribute to the Triumph brand and Kas Kastner. Thanks for the time, and your nomination to FOT. Curt Johnston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Aug 16 17:25:14 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rajah Clips In-Reply-To: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nick; I do have a straight on my DeSoto That should have a 90. Willing to trade but be forewarned that mine is probably 50 years old and in use all that time. Don?t want the car out of service for any length of time. How to proceed? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > ? > OK guys...mister fat-fingers here... > > I managed to break one of the Rajah clips that I use on the Duke's plug wires. Looks like they are gettin a bit scarce on the ground, but still available in whole motor sets (8). Does anyone have one straight clip they would sell or exchange for a 90 degree clip? > > lemme no > Nick in NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Mon Aug 17 16:28:18 2020 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair Message-ID: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> Looking for a friend that has a TR3 customer wanting wire wheel spoke replacement/truing/balancing. Prefer Wisconsin/Midwest location. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks, Dave Kettler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 17 16:49:52 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:49:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair In-Reply-To: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> References: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> Message-ID: If I needed this work done, I'd take it over to Motion Products, in Neenah WI. http://mpi-ferrari.com/ They do a lot of high-end Ferrari work, but they were also very accommodating in getting my Spitfire in for some dyno testing on their chassis dyno. Good people. Nice work. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of David Kettler via Fot Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:28 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair Looking for a friend that has a TR3 customer wanting wire wheel spoke replacement/truing/balancing. Prefer Wisconsin/Midwest location. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks, Dave Kettler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 18 21:16:27 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:16:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race videos Message-ID: <5885b373-446e-608f-c3d3-88e8e7c1efef@tonydrews.com> Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race.? 4 more to come as I put the videos together.? Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim Covert and Scott Fohrman.? My worst finish of the weekend too. https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg Cheers, Tony Drews From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 07:51:05 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! Feel free to respond off list. Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My worst finish of the weekend too. https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 08:59:34 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise Message-ID: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Aug 19 09:05:56 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both. "Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the consequences" On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:36 AM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! Feel free to respond off list. Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:27:11 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:27:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <978e9ca9-087a-119e-76cb-c4337b61cc84@gmail.com> On 8/19/20 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with > Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention > the choke tubes for the setups. I have a Weber web page for the TR 2-A engines. While it doesn't go into the 6, it does describe what you are looking for when tuning the carbs and what the individual bits do. It might be of some help. You really want an O2 sensor to get closer than ballpark. http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm You will also want t read over Shane's TR6 Weber web page http://triumph.hottr6.com/tr6weber.html TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 09:38:36 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards,Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All.? I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..?It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). ? Stock 3.27:1 rear end.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Any thoughts ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks Pat_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:42:08 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:42:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1DB0DCA1-DF32-4FD3-8BA0-83BF396CAED3@gmail.com> The whining I hear in the Spitfire is usually about my lap times... :-) Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. > Any thoughts ? > Thanks Pat > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Wed Aug 19 09:45:11 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:45:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: most likely the pinion has lost its preload and it is moving in and out along the face of the ring gear...ie changing the pattern and causing a whine. Sometimes the carrier bearings will wear and cause a pattern shift, but usually a growling from the bearings accompanies the whine Chip Collingwood theukmotorsports.com (804) 564-1839 On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in > premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the > diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from > something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find > out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage > to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There > is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. > Any thoughts ? > Thanks Pat > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Aug 19 09:48:15 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> Pat;If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. ?That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. ?Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards,Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All.? I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..?It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). ? Stock 3.27:1 rear end.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Any thoughts ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks Pat_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 09:52:26 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was Deweerd there? > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > Sent > > from AOL Mobile Mail > > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 18, > > 2020, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race. 4 more to > > come as I put the videos > > > > > together. Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim > > Covert and Scott Fohrman. My > > > > > worst finish of the weekend too. > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:47:34 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough > to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: > > Pat; > If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one > of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is > from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car > side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and > hence the level of whine. > > But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier > should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the > bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) > with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) > > Hopefully it's just a bearing, > > Phil Gott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise > > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in > premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the > diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from > something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find > out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage > to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There > is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 11:51:38 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Wed Aug 19 11:58:10 2020 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:58:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cw&p ratio 4.875 Message-ID: Hi folks Anyone help me out with a 4.875:1 cw&p ? I?d like to run one again, or the higher 5.05 from the dumper truck. Anyone got one lying around ? Regards Tony Sent from my iPad From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Aug 19 12:00:48 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:00:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> , <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> Message-ID: <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn > wrote: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Aug 19 12:03:10 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:03:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: <18cdc61e-a4e4-6b80-1240-99fb7009f83f@dfn.com> On 8/19/2020 11:47 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > ?? I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > Unfortunately, diff noises are like gangrene.? They can only get worse without treatment. I knew a guy in Michigan with an old Datsun pickup.? It had developed a serious whine in the rear end, but he remained oblivious and kept pushing it hard.? Eventually, the whine became so loud that it could be heard a half-mile away. Then, one day, as he was driving away from my house, the rear end screaming, there was loud snap, the wheel and axle sailed away from the truck doing a very energetic whirling dervish dance in the air, bounced on the ground a couple of times and disappeared into a sorghum field. And the noise stopped. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 12:10:38 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we called them. On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn > wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: > You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: > > Pat; > If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. > > But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) > > Hopefully it's just a bearing, > > Phil Gott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang via Fot > > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise > > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. > Any thoughts ? > Thanks Pat > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 19 14:08:05 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:08:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/19/20 9:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. As I often quip, the main advantage of Webers is they are infinitely adjustable.? The main disadvantage of Webers is they are infinitely adjustable. Not sure why you want to go to the bigger chokes, but yes, you will most likely need to rejet.? The basic rule of thumb is the mains are 4 times the choke size.? So 30mm chokes = 120 mains. While I have messed about with Webers on Spits, even a Datsun 620 pickup, I've never had a Triumph six with them.? So I can't just reach back in my memory and give any exact advice. Good luck with getting a new configuration dialed in. mjb. From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Aug 19 14:40:23 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> Message-ID: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Are your kids in the back? > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we called them. > >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: >> >> Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> >> ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! >> Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: >> >> Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) >> I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. >> P.J. >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: >>> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Pat; >>> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. >>> >>> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >>> >>> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >>> >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Lang via Fot >>> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >>> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >>> >>> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >>> >>> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >>> >>> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bob Lang >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi All. >>> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >>> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >>> Any thoughts ? >>> Thanks Pat >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 14:55:46 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:55:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44EE58EB-C21F-44EC-8A8E-3DAE39E1091A@yahoo.com> Here?s my starting jets for hot street TR6 settings: Choke 30 Main 125 Air 190 Emulsion f16 Idle f9/45 or 50 These should get you in the ballpark but every build is slightly different Losing my own settings here in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. > > I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. > > So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). > > If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! > > Feel free to respond off list. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwestfall at ymail.com Wed Aug 19 15:25:31 2020 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> AmiciI am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications?Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:40:11 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:40:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Message-ID: When your diff goes, this can happen. And I agree with Michael P, it gets very quiet very quickly, (after the impact). mike h [image: P1010697.JPG] On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:41 PM Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: > Are your kids in the back? > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we > called them. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current > model back then! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50. There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?) Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:25:31 Onderwerp: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Amici I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? Russ Westfall [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 15:42:51 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:42:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. Slippin around in NorCal Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Wed Aug 19 16:07:31 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:07:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MTL or MT-90, trans will last longer between rebuilds and shift better. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:47 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 > Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on > the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels > for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. > SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. > > Slippin around in NorCal > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot > wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions > on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on > what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 16:45:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D55CC98-9DAC-4B29-8B87-075E251F9D36@gmail.com> Running Redline MT-90 GL-4 in the Spitfire with overdrive. The car was fitted with a transmission cooler driven by a fuel pump. 70?s engineering at its finest! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > ? > MTL or MT-90, trans will last longer between rebuilds and shift better. > >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:47 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 >> Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. >> SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. >> >> Slippin around in NorCal >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >>>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? Amici >>> I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? >>> Russ Westfall >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Wed Aug 19 17:06:23 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Redline MTL-90. Great stuff. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:13:28 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cw&p ratio 4.875 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <527C0C02-5400-472F-82B6-F9C09A36AE93@gmail.com> I have one. I?m in in Texas Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi folks > > Anyone help me out with a 4.875:1 cw&p ? I?d like to run one again, or the higher 5.05 from the dumper truck. Anyone got one lying around ? > > Regards > > Tony > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Aug 19 20:18:33 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> We use Redline...no problems Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: ? The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. Slippin around in NorCal Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: ? Amici I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 21:54:05 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:54:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Message-ID: Another Grattan video.? Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.? 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Thu Aug 20 02:30:57 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:30:57 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 262 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <039501d676cc$3a701c00$af505400$@btinternet.com> See Canley Classics Archive page on "Rear End Noises": https://www.canleyclassics.com/?archive=rear-end-noises This is a relic of the Wisdom of John Kipping, and as such may be considered as having been handed down like tablets of stone. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 19 August 2020 22:40 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 262 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 06:20:14 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:20:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was a great race Tony thanks for posting these videos, Great track and great weather make a great weekend Of racing Mike On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 07:03:51 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:03:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 07:11:40 2020 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:11:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Been using 30w non detergent forever. Bruce On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:19 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > We use Redline...no problems > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > ? The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 > Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on > the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels > for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. > SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. > > Slippin around in NorCal > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot > wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions > on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on > what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 07:25:44 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:25:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 07:54:12 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:54:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight > corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than > a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Kas Kastner > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > *An:* MadMarx > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. > EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the > engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think > the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a > corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start > with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they > were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 > Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Aug 20 08:01:24 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:01:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair Message-ID: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Thu Aug 20 08:14:27 2020 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:14:27 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60045AFF-8461-4832-9DC7-F57A90668743@btinternet.com> So, my dyno might be optimistic but it is 206bhp at 6511 rpm... The engine is 87mm as per FIA regulations, It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in the UK using all the best bits from Kas?s knowledge... Kind regards, Keith > On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. > We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol > Mike > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Kas Kastner > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > An: MadMarx > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > Mike Deweerd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 08:22:21 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:22:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Message-ID: My Kids won't fit in the back. The youngest one is 29 and weighs about 230 Lbs. I think I might have a wheel rubbing issue with him back there.. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:40 PM Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: > Are your kids in the back? > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we > called them. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current > model back then! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mckearn2 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 08:22:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:22:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <60045AFF-8461-4832-9DC7-F57A90668743@btinternet.com> References: <60045AFF-8461-4832-9DC7-F57A90668743@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes, using California Air. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > ?So, my dyno might be optimistic but it is 206bhp at 6511 rpm... > > The engine is 87mm as per FIA regulations, > > It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in the UK using all the best bits from Kas?s knowledge... > > Kind regards, > > Keith > >> On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. >> We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol >> Mike >> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: >>> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. >>> >>> But Triumphs do better from my experience. >>> >>> My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Von: Kas Kastner >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 >>> An: MadMarx >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >>> >>> >>> >>> I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. >>> >>> Never be beaten by equipment. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Very well driven. >>> >>> >>> >>> Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? >>> >>> Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> What power do they make? >>> >>> Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB >>> >>> and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, Tony Drews >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mike Deweerd >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.? 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 10:19:57 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Rajah Clips In-Reply-To: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1430971079.5026114.1597940397233@mail.yahoo.com> GuysI don't know why this appeared again...electron majic? You lads are way better googleirs than myself. Thanks for finding all the sources for Rajah clips that allow the purchase of not only the style I need, but in small quantities.Special thanks to the fellows who offered to send me a clip, but at this time I'm gonna?drop the "big" dollars (like $2) on a coupla new units. The intelligence of the collective Borg is impressive. "They don't call me sparky for nothin"...RajahNick in NorCal On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:10 PM PDT, Nick Black wrote: OK guys...mister fat-fingers here... I managed to break one of the Rajah clips that I use on the Duke's plug wires. Looks like they are gettin a bit scarce on the ground, but still available in whole motor sets (8). Does anyone have one straight clip they would sell or exchange for a 90 degree clip? lemme noNick in NorCal_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 11:18:29 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:18:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01d67715$ec4fa730$c4eef590$@gmail.com> Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 11:20:57 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:20:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' ; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' Cc: 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The sulfur content of modern fuels is very low and it isn't harmful to Nikasil anymore. However, car manufacturers have changed to other production processes to reduce ring/liner friction, because of these problems but also because Nikasil is expensive for massproduction. Marcel Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:41:31 Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:39:32 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil I believe most Triumph owners agree that engine oil can safely be used in the gearbox wether or not it has an overdrive. For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50. There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?) 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I > have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for > straightening and inspection. > > Scott (B.) > > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Aug 20 13:43:24 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:43:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Yeah, but this is for my P-car. I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300. Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332 $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. Cheers Brian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 14:33:42 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:33:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote: > Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the > secret?.225Nm. > > > > *Von:* tr4racing at gmail.com > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 > *An:* 'Michael Deweerd' ; ' > tr4racing at googlemail.com' > *Cc:* 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Betreff:* AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > Mike, > > > > my engine is really nothing special. > > Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford > Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 > Webers, that?s all. > > My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very > fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. > > There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because > I accidently overtook under yellow) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Michael Deweerd > > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 > *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com > *Cc:* Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my > new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. > > We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that > need squashing lol > > Mike > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight > corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than > a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Kas Kastner > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > *An:* MadMarx > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. > EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the > engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think > the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a > corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start > with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they > were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 > Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Aug 20 14:41:22 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair References: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053@mail.yahoo.com> I remember dealing with this year's ago, and recall discussing whether the repairs were cosmetic or structural. ? MAG Silverstones were the most desirable, and rare as hen's teeth, because they'd been trashed in a race or racing. ?I acquired about a dozen. ?Then American Racing Wheels started making them again. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Thursday, August 20, 2020,?Barr, Scott via Fot??wrote: Yeah, but this is for my P-car.? I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300.? Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair?Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332? $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. CheersBrian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Aug 20 14:46:35 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:46:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <7A474769-32D0-44C0-85AC-8B13AF583D2A@mhc-law.com> We use H beam racing Ford modular V8 rods from Manley... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: ? What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM > wrote: Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' >; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' > Cc: 'Kas Kastner' >; 'fot at autox. team. net' > Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We use H beam racing Ford modular V8 rods from Manley... > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? > > > > > Inquiring minds want to know > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the >> secret?.225Nm. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* >> >> tr4racing at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 >> >> >> *An:* 'Michael Deweerd' ; ' >> tr4racing at googlemail.com' >> >> >> *Cc:* 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> >> >> *Betreff:* AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike, >> >> >> >> >> >> my engine is really nothing special. >> >> >> Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford >> Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 >> Webers, that?s all. >> >> >> My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do >> very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. >> >> >> There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because >> I accidently overtook under yellow) >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Michael Deweerd >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 >> >> >> *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com >> >> >> *Cc:* Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my >> new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that >> need squashing lol >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight >> corners. >> >> >> But Triumphs do better from my experience. >> >> >> My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster >> than a MG. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Kas Kastner >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 >> >> >> *An:* MadMarx >> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. >> EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the >> engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think >> the MG's are a lot lighter in >> >> weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG >> engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way >> back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs >> and very reliable. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Never be beaten by equipment.* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Very well driven. >> >> >> >> >> >> Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? >> >> >> Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> What power do they make? >> >> >> Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 >> Hp range. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on >> racing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Mike Deweerd* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Mike Deweerd* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > *Mike Deweerd* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 15:31:08 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:31:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006501d67739$3833d310$a89b7930$@gmail.com> I run rods from a Ford Modular 5.6 or 5.4L Von: Michael Deweerd Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 22:34 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM > wrote: Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' >; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com ' > Cc: 'Kas Kastner' >; 'fot at autox. team. net' > Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Aug 20 18:09:50 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair In-Reply-To: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053@mail.yahoo.com> References: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <865159613.5197765.1597956082053@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95F46D50-3C63-4A69-ADAA-66C216E19165@me.com> I can recommend a place in Philadelphia - had my BMW rims straightened there after a few winters? worth of potholes - they had BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, all the stuff with big wheels - very reasonable and good work. I?m not sure why we use super low profile tires on road cars in the northeast- barely worth the tradeoff for wheel and tire failures. I used the place at 4901 Umbria Street - looks like this might be a franchise with places around the country. https://www.awrswheelrepair.com/philly/locator Maybe there?s one near you. On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: I remember dealing with this year's ago, and recall discussing whether the repairs were cosmetic or structural. MAG Silverstones were the most desirable, and rare as hen's teeth, because they'd been trashed in a race or racing. I acquired about a dozen. Then American Racing Wheels started making them again. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, August 20, 2020, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Yeah, but this is for my P-car. I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300. Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332 $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. Cheers Brian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 20 23:21:28 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:21:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan Race 3 Message-ID: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> Another Grattan video.? Fun times at the start, a couple of laps where things settle out in the middle and then a tooth and nail battle with Mike Moore for the last several laps.? It felt pretty epic in the car. https://youtu.be/iZGjlpm8tjI Cheers, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Fri Aug 21 01:24:13 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:24:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1515317280.63188773.1597994653317.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> [ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Michael Deweerd" , "tr4racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' ; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' Cc: 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. [ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] -- Mike Deweerd BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] BQ_END -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, August 21, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Anyone know this car? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 13:21:15 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:21:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Long shot, Vegas Spitfire? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don?t know the car or driver... but be on the lookout for a very tall driver! Yikes that?s a tall bar! Thot my bar was tall... Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Anyone know this car? > > mjb. > > > <118017251_3296588337075778_3847973331408030153_n.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 13:50:56 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:50:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 Message-ID: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:21:49 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! Thanks, Terry > On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: > > ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! > > Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! > > Thanks, > COL(Ret) Terry Sopher > 813-508-1243 From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:34:02 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:34:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> References: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Terry, The 3.89 is common to the spitfire as well. I believe it is the most common diff ratio. Should be easy to find. I?d ship you one, but they are too heavy to ship. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ?Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! > > Thanks, Terry > >> On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: >> >> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Aug 21 14:49:21 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: References: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1994056877.4674232.1598042961891@mail.yahoo.com> Terry and Chuck-? I shipped one to Steve Yott in Wisconsin (from Maryland) for a rebuild last year for $79.00 if I remember correctly.? I can dig out the invoice/shipping co if necessary.? But perhaps things have changed shipping wise with what has been going on this year.Terry-? What did you experience when the flywheel sheared off?!? Did you have a scatter shield?? I know that that event can be a serious problem! Glad that it wasn't.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 Terry, The 3.89 is common to the spitfire as well.? I believe it is the most common diff ratio.? Should be easy to find.? I?d ship you one, but they are too heavy to ship. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ?Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! > > Thanks, Terry > >> On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: >> >> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off!? Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock!? Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah.? (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well.? Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear.? Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmar823 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:52:16 2020 From: dmar823 at gmail.com (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks > to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy > Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's > Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. > Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! > > Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently > PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! > > Thanks, > COL(Ret) Terry Sopher > 813-508-1243 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Aug 21 15:30:46 2020 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:30:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801d67802$55a9afe0$00fd0fa0$@rr.com> The Spit 1500s do in fact have a 3.89 ratio diff. The Mk 4 Spits have a 4.11 in them but are heavier built than the earlier diffs in the mk 3. It is common practice to install a 4.11 R&P into the 1500 diff case but they will have to be shimmed properly for gear engagement. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall via Fot Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 4:52 PM To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 16:45:51 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Award Winning Coverage in VTR MAGAZINE by Shawn Frank. & More. Message-ID: FOT: If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it. The coverage of the highly successful Kastner Cup...?THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO?, was led by Marty Sukey, Event Chair. A tough job working with all the obstacles thrown in our path. Then there is the Kastner Cup 2020 Documentary Film by Classic Motor Films. You will be seeing more of John Linney?s work in the future. There will be further announcements coming, as I step away from a 18 years series with Kas. It?s been a great ride. Thank you everyone. Congratulations to Mike Munson, Kastner Cup Recipient. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 18:04:27 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:04:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don, Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! Best, Terry > On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: > > ? > Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 18:43:06 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Award Winning Coverage in VTR MAGAZINE by Shawn Frank. & More. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Joe! It sure was fun being there to report on the Kastner Cup 2020! Your work on all the Kastner Cup Races is absolutely invaluable! Your dedication to a friend, a legacy, and to the great unwashed have allowed the vintage racing sport to thrive and grow. You have been a pinnacle influence on more enthusiasts than you will ever know. I, for one, have felt honored and privileged to get to know most of the FOT and their families. This would not have been possible without your hand in it all. For that, I sincerely thank you! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 5:46 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it. The coverage of > the highly successful Kastner Cup...?THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO?, was led by > Marty Sukey, Event Chair. A tough job working with all the obstacles thrown > in our path. > > Then there is the Kastner Cup 2020 Documentary Film by Classic Motor > Films. You will be seeing more of John Linney?s work in the future. > > There will be further announcements coming, as I step away from a 18 years > series with Kas. It?s been a great ride. Thank you everyone. > > Congratulations to Mike Munson, Kastner Cup Recipient. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:09:01 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > Don, > > Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting > together in the future not too long ago! > > Best, Terry > > On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: > > ? > Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, > which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot > wrote: > >> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks >> to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy >> Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's >> Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. >> Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently >> PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Fri Aug 21 19:22:29 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chrome platters Message-ID: <4145F17E-8D00-4F52-978D-88065EB9C248@icloud.com> Guys. Looking for recommendations on chrome platters. I?m in Austin TX but willing to ship if needed. Appreciate your input. Sent from my iPhone From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Aug 21 19:26:09 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 01:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2103812389.4753606.1598059569078@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info, Frank.? I see that the German GT6 had the 3:27 rear with overdrive.? My son put the 3:27 in his '72 GT6, which came with the 3;89/overdrive option from the factory.? We (he, my brother and myself) think the 3;27/overdrive is the best (street) combo of all. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank via Fot To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: Don, Thanks!? Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! Best, Terry? On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: ?Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off!? Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock!? ?Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah.? (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well.? Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear.? Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:42:51 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Frank - Great info! > On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:09, Shawn Frank wrote: > > ? > For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... > > http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html > > Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... > > www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html > > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >> Don, >> >> Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! >> >> Best, Terry >> >>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>>> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >>>> >>>> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >>>> 813-508-1243 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:43:33 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <384D6DC1-D2A4-4CA2-AB78-557B1A7519D1@gmail.com> Sorry Shawn! > On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:42, Terry Sopher wrote: > > ? > Thanks Frank - Great info! > >>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:09, Shawn Frank wrote: >>> >> ? >> For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... >> >> http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html >> >> Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... >> >> www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html >> >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>> Don, >>> >>> Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! >>> >>> Best, Terry >>> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >>>>> >>>>> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Aug 21 20:26:18 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:26:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Last 2 races from Grattan Message-ID: Yet more Grattan video for those that care. Sun race 2 - this is the more exciting of the two https://youtu.be/aQ4ZAhPZMe4 Sun race 1 - got to spend a lot of time harassing the leader https://youtu.be/fnZzOkL3dG4 Cheers, Tony Drews From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 21:24:49 2020 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Grattan Race 3 In-Reply-To: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> References: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <214718785.5847613.1598066689840@mail.yahoo.com> Tony,Some exhilarating but totally respectful racing there, thanks for sharing. Gary SchneiderBFR Classic Chief Steward since the earth cooled On Friday, August 21, 2020, 12:21:47 AM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Another Grattan video.? Fun times at the start, a couple of laps where things settle out in the middle and then a tooth and nail battle with Mike Moore for the last several laps.? It felt pretty epic in the car. https://youtu.be/iZGjlpm8tjI Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Keith > On 22 Aug 2020, at 05:26, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Yet more Grattan video for those that care. > > Sun race 2 - this is the more exciting of the two > > https://youtu.be/aQ4ZAhPZMe4 > > Sun race 1 - got to spend a lot of time harassing the leader > > https://youtu.be/fnZzOkL3dG4 > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Aug 23 11:02:00 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:02:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wheel widths? Message-ID: So when we talk about wheel width, where are we measuring? Outside edge to outside edge? Or the inside edge where the bead sits? Scott (B.) 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A few new lines were called for on this track. ?This was really fun trying to catch the 510, and after a gap formed due to traffic, I really figured out what the car could do! ?Also super neat to have the track all lit up at night! ?Enjoy: NER SCCA Midsummers Night race 082220 Thompson HRG3 Triumph TR4? | | | | | | | | | | | NER SCCA Midsummers Night race 082220 Thompson HRG3 Triumph TR4 By triumphsix73 | | | | Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 23 11:20:22 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 11:20:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wheel widths? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61abfea2-1153-9b40-cf9c-c0c6f4fbac46@bradakis.com> On 8/23/20 11:02 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > So when we talk about wheel width, where are we measuring? ?Outside > edge to outside edge?? Or the inside edge where the bead sits? > Inside, bead to bead surface. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 23 17:32:35 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:32:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta Message-ID: <670CC0634C1B40118E562B22821D8105@VlackTK121647> Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 07:05:05 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of O2 gauges/sensors. I recently bought an AEM gauge and was pulling my hair out trying to get it to work. I went to the forums on the Interweb and found out that the sensors AEM sends out have a high defective rate. I also learned about the "rag test" If the gauge doesn't work pull the sensor and wrap the end in a rag soaked with brake cleaner and see if it reads rich. This test proved my new oxygen sensor was bad. New sensor, 13.7 at idle, fun to watch it go up and down but I still check my tailpipe for grey residue. Bob Kramer On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:06 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an > off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have > gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in > the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will > decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have > to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both. > > > "Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the > consequences" > > > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:36 AM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber > jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke > tubes for the setups. > > I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in > some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. > > So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need > to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for > folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). > > If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured > in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a > baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay > dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! > > Feel free to respond off list. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Aug 24 07:08:10 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:08:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: <691501895.26770.1598237547585@connect.xfinity.com> References: <670CC0634C1B40118E562B22821D8105@VlackTK121647> <691501895.26770.1598237547585@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <000001d67a17$9e60f880$db22e980$@rogers.com> Wow, there is some gold in there, thanks. Also looking for any rally coverage late 70s and ethrough the 80s. Thanks From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: August 23, 2020 10:52 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta Hi Jerry, If you can find it anywhere, it might be here. This guy's YouTube channel is fantastic. Kind of a SCCA and sports car racing video archive. Enjoy, Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs1dwzWHn7bTUijQ9EBvRZA On 08/23/2020 4:32 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. JVV _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 09:02:55 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <1765437011.61268733.1597944384264.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <13491820.57684118.1597873172123.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1021138771.57690399.1597873291389.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1765437011.61268733.1597944384264.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <2080252401.5434031.1598281375853@mail.yahoo.com> I always used Valvoline straight 50 Wt. oil in my overdrive gearboxes for the race car.? Worked fine - no wear problems.? However, in my street cars I use EP-80/90 gear oil, as recommended by the manufacturer (I think). Jack On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 1:27:04 PM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I mentioned Zinc content in GL-4 and GL-5 oil, that's wrong of course, it's about Sulfur. Sulfur is also reactive to Nikasil. Some cars in the eighties had Nikasil liners : Honda, Jaguar, Rover, and also Porsche. But the high sulfur content in the FUEL of that period did damage the Nikasil liners, thus causing severe loss of power and high oil consumption. The sulfur content of modern fuels is very low and it isn't harmful to? Nikasil anymore. However, car manufacturers have changed to other production processes to reduce ring/liner friction, because of these problems but also because Nikasil is expensive for massproduction.MarcelVan: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:41:31 Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:39:32 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil I believe most Triumph owners agree? that engine oil can safely be used in the gearbox wether or not it has an overdrive. For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50.There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?)Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:25:31 Onderwerp: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil AmiciI am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications?Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 24 19:11:38 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:11:38 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 In-Reply-To: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com> References: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com> <016b01d62fc4$735d05e0$5a1711a0$@gmail.com> <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim, Good explanation. And 100% right on the effects of the flywheel weight. Not to discount the pulley at the front of the crank and its effect also. What you are feeling at around the 5200 mark is the 2nd harmonic of the crankshafts natural frequency. The 2nd harmonic is usually the most destructive harmonic and this is the crankshaft bending the most during rotation. Usually, but not always around the mid distance crank. But can be around the 2nd crank journal in the 4 Cyl engine. You will see that a lot of people will fit billet, machined, large main bearing cap around mid-crank length as they have had issues with either bearing ?wipe? of broken cap bolts. They are trying to counteract the 2nd harmonic by making the bearing journal stiffer. You don?t need to complete a complex calculation to understand what RPM?s you should minimise holding your duration at. The crank is suspended and ?struck? and the natural frequency that the crank vibrates/resonates at will give you it?s harmonic characteristics. Just like a tuning fork. This is the basis for setting your RPM?s and multiples of that RPM to stay away from. OR you need to reduce the effect at those RPM?s. Say, using a harmonic balancer design to reduce the harmonic effect at certain RPM?s. Just as Joe Alexander describes, the first harmonic is in the 2800 RPM range, but it is the least destructive so you almost miss feeling it. Hope that helps? Have a great day "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of timmmurphh--- via Fot Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency. The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses. Inertia increases as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius. An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance. I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM. I have never seen a calculation for it. It would be complex. Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. Tim Murphy From: Fot On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 Something I have wondered about for years. Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know what?s possible! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 04:41:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 06:41:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> Greg: I can?t help you with the profile, but just want to say that this is a wonderful project for you and your son. David and I did the same thing. He started a frame-off restoration of a TR6 at age 12. Finished in time to drive it to school in the spring of his senior year. Now, 30 ish years later he still has the TR6 and we are racing TR4s together. A great experience at so many levels! Please keep us informed with pictures of Will?s and your journey. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. > > My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. > > Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. > > Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 615881 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > > > Thanks. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 05:36:33 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:36:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57265A06-DE6A-4A7E-95E3-7A6A5CDC7B88@aol.com> Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Peter Vucinic via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Tim, > Good explanation. And 100% right on the effects of the flywheel weight. Not to discount the pulley at the front of the crank and its effect also. > > What you are feeling at around the 5200 mark is the 2nd harmonic of the crankshafts natural frequency. The 2nd harmonic is usually the most destructive harmonic and this is the crankshaft bending the most during rotation. Usually, but not always around the mid distance crank. But can be around the 2nd crank journal in the 4 Cyl engine. You will see that a lot of people will fit billet, machined, large main bearing cap around mid-crank length as they have had issues with either bearing ?wipe? of broken cap bolts. They are trying to counteract the 2nd harmonic by making the bearing journal stiffer. > > You don?t need to complete a complex calculation to understand what RPM?s you should minimise holding your duration at. The crank is suspended and ?struck? and the natural frequency that the crank vibrates/resonates at will give you it?s harmonic characteristics. Just like a tuning fork. This is the basis for setting your RPM?s and multiples of that RPM to stay away from. OR you need to reduce the effect at those RPM?s. Say, using a harmonic balancer design to reduce the harmonic effect at certain RPM?s. > > Just as Joe Alexander describes, the first harmonic is in the 2800 RPM range, but it is the least destructive so you almost miss feeling it. > > Hope that helps? > Have a great day > > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" > Kind Regards > Peter Vucinic > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of timmmurphh--- via Fot > Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 9:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > > > From: timmmurphh at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM > To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' > Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency. The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses. Inertia increases as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius. > > An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance. I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM. I have never seen a calculation for it. It would be complex. Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. > > Tim Murphy > > From: Fot On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > Something I have wondered about for years. > > Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. > > TeriAnn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 05:50:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:50:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 25 05:58:54 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:58:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: Well, it is possible the rear piston is doing what it should and the front one is misbehaving, not dropping when it should.? It might be interesting to track exhaust gas temps from a cylinder served by each carb, see if there is a corresponding change. mjb. From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 06:19:42 2020 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> References: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> Message-ID: Hey Greg, nice to see an update on Will?s progress. Here is an update on my 14 year old Ella?s Herald restoration. We?re nearly done stripping it so we can do a color change and we?ve pulled a donor 1500 drivetrain from a late model Spit. We?re only 2 months in but she?s still got enthusiasm. Here she is removing brake lines. She was never into our Triumphs until she saw the Herald and said it looks like Nancy Drew?s car... whatever it takes to get that first taste of the Triumph drug. Do you worry like I do about all the effort going into this car that is very likely going to get wrecked??? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly > >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 06:31:08 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: <63b8d9a2-dca9-32ad-3985-52b3b739c4c1@gmail.com> On 8/25/20 4:58 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Well, it is possible the rear piston is doing what it should and the > front one is misbehaving, not dropping when it should.?? It might be > interesting to track exhaust gas temps from a cylinder served by each > carb, see if there is a corresponding change. Or just switch the carbs to see if the characteristic stays with the carb. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Aug 25 06:34:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 14:34:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> Hi Phil, interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. Something like that. To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: Piston with rod - 1000gr Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr Clutch with plate - 1000gr Pulley - 400 gr Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. Cheers Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 An: Friends Of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From paulricco at att.net Tue Aug 25 07:00:15 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> References: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> Phil, Wr went through this with SU?s about five years ago. We had the rear SU piston ?winking? at us on the dyno on high rev pulls. We resolved it. 1. When is the last time the carbs were totally rebuilt? Any chance you have any air leaks at shafts or anywhere else? 2. What are you using for a manifold gasket? Any chance of a vacuum leak? 3. Same for the carb/isolator block end of the manifold. If you added a heat shield that is two more faces that need to seal well with gaskets. It starts to get thick and the studs are not very long. 4. What are you running for dashpot oil? 5. Which weight springs do you run in the carbs? 6. Any other vacuum leaks anywhere? All can be factors. However I would be looking for an air leak. Including at the carb shafts depending on the age. Just my two sense from having been through this and resolving it successfully. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Phil, > > interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. > I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. > > Something like that. > > To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: > Piston with rod - 1000gr > Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr > Clutch with plate - 1000gr > Pulley - 400 gr > > Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 > An: Friends Of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion > > Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: > On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. > As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. > The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. > The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. > Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? > Phil Gott > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From rick.parent at att.net Tue Aug 25 07:32:07 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> References: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> Message-ID: <1766998279.5333604.1598362327129@mail.yahoo.com> Check your cranking pressure for each cylinder first. I suspect you either have either a bad hole or a spring issue, both are easy to check. The piston is drawn up by the velocity / CFM being pulled into the engine. Rick ?"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 09:00:49 AM EDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Phil, Wr went through this with SU?s about five years ago. We had the rear SU piston ?winking? at us on the dyno on high rev pulls.? We resolved it. 1. When is the last time the carbs were totally rebuilt?? Any chance you have any air leaks at shafts or anywhere else? 2.? What are you using for a manifold gasket?? Any chance of a vacuum leak?? 3.? Same for the carb/isolator block end of the manifold. If you added a heat shield that is two more faces that need to seal well with gaskets. It starts to get thick and the studs are not very long. 4. What are you running for dashpot oil? 5. Which weight springs do you run in the carbs? 6. Any other vacuum leaks anywhere? All can be factors. However I would be looking for an air leak. Including at the carb shafts depending on the age. Just my two sense from having been through this and resolving it successfully. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Phil, > > interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. > I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. > > Something like that. > > To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: > Piston with rod - 1000gr > Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr > Clutch with plate - 1000gr > Pulley - 400 gr > > Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 > An: Friends Of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion > > Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: > On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6)? pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. > As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. > The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. > The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. > Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? > Phil Gott > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 08:04:51 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2045036664.33899.1598364291941@connect.xfinity.com> Hi Greg, There are a few good angled shots of the apron on my resto video. Especially at 10:58. Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW-cSGzyKXs > On 08/24/2020 6:32 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. > > My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. > > Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. > > Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly > > Thanks. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Aug 25 09:17:33 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That?s awesome Dusty. I keep asking Will if he is up for the heat, smell, and unreliability...he just smiles and says he will be the only one in the parking lot. I always laugh and tell him I was the only Triumph in my high school Parking lot in 1990. At this point, I hope they both get the opportunity to drive to school some day. Fingers crossed. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:20 AM, dustin nicholson wrote: > > ?Hey Greg, nice to see an update on Will?s progress. Here is an update on my 14 year old Ella?s Herald restoration. We?re nearly done stripping it so we can do a color change and we?ve pulled a donor 1500 drivetrain from a late model Spit. We?re only 2 months in but she?s still got enthusiasm. Here she is removing brake lines. > > She was never into our Triumphs until she saw the Herald and said it looks like Nancy Drew?s car... whatever it takes to get that first taste of the Triumph drug. > > Do you worry like I do about all the effort going into this car that is very likely going to get wrecked??? > > > > > Dustin Nicholson > 281-871-9623 > >> >>>> On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. >>> >>> My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. >>> >>> Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. >>> >>> Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com >> >> From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 10:13:41 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> Thanks everyone. I?m glad to know that we?re not alone. The carbs were rebushed by Joe Curto last winter. Running red, yellow, blue and no springs. It happened in every case, with slight differences in final height depending on spring rate. Checked for vacuum leaks: we run the graphite hi performance manifold gaskets. We did find a slight gouge in one of the rear Manifold gasket faces. Dave did some harmonic calculations, treating the manifold and carb like a recorder and found that there may be a high pressure area under the two air holes of the piston at just about 5300 rpm. That slight gouge could have been contributing to some high pressure harmonics that would make the piston drop, just like a recorder will squeak if each air hole is not closed completely. Have not been back on the dyno to check the effect since, but that supports the idea that it might be due to a vacuum leak. Cranking compression is all within 10 psi of each other. Using my last stash of 10W oil in the dampers. Could not swap carbs due to linkage issues, but we did swap pistons. No change: rear still dropped. We did see an increase of about 0.5 in air/fuel ratio when the piston dropped. That is because a fatter part of the needle closed down the fuel toroid, as it should. That change in air/fuel ratio went away when we manually held the piston open. I have to agree that it does not seem to impact power much because the peak HP on the dyno was about the same whether we held the piston open or not. Intuitively that does not make sense, but there it is..... But to return to the question, it does not seem related to the crank harmonics, I surmise after seeing all the responses. For what it?s worth, we are running a Tilton Aluminum flywheel ( I forget the Weight) with a TR6 pressure plate and three puck disc. As a left-over from ?back in the day,? I run a Corvair damper. It?s relatively massive with high inertia due to it?s diameter. It seems to work well. Have had no fretting of the nose if the crank that we?ve seen with the small dampers available in kits today, or with none at all. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > I encountered this magic move the carburetor piston many many times on the engine dyno. Could find no reason for the action and never did. It did not seem to affect the power (you'd think it would) and was not always there. My last thoughts about this wasa the cross over balance tube may have some effect. I'd stop that particular run, idle the engine a minute and start over and the event would NOT occur again. It was just plain weird to stand there watching the pistons of the S.U's and all of a sudden one of them would slowly drop down about halfway. My only suspect was harmonics. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:50 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: >> On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. >> As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. >> The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. >> The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. >> Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? >> Phil Gott >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Aug 25 11:50:26 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> References: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> Message-ID: <2135555015.5448699.1598377826174@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like the open carb is the problem, check for sticktion and spring pressure. The way the needles are designed the piston should rise slowly to its max point and stay there. the incorrect operation looks like the pistons opening to their max point instantaneously. Most race SU's function like the latter and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the AFR is appropriate at all points, where the problem lies is when you can't get from your trailer to the pit late without having to rev the Sxxx out of it, that's the classic example. On a side note a motor can only use so much air and if your carbs are larger than necessary the pistons will find the place they like to live and that's what you get. So just because the pistons are not all the way up doesn't mean they are not working properly, it just means if you want the pistons up all the way you will need more displacement, haha. Rick "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 12:14:18 PM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone.I?m glad to know that we?re not alone.?The carbs were rebushed by Joe Curto last winter. Running red, yellow, blue and no springs. It happened in every case, with slight differences in final height depending on spring rate. ? Checked for vacuum leaks: we run the graphite hi performance manifold gaskets. We did find a slight gouge in one of the rear Manifold gasket faces. Dave did some harmonic calculations, treating the manifold and carb like a recorder and found that there may be a high pressure area under the two air holes of the piston at just about 5300 rpm. That slight gouge could have been contributing to some high pressure harmonics that would make the piston drop, just like a recorder will squeak if each air hole is not closed completely. Have not been back on the dyno to check the effect since, but that supports the idea that it might be due to a vacuum leak.Cranking compression is all within 10 psi of each other.Using my last stash of 10W oil in the dampers.Could not swap carbs due to linkage issues, but we did swap pistons. No change: rear still dropped.We did see an increase of about 0.5 in air/fuel ratio when the piston dropped. That is because a fatter part of the needle closed down the fuel toroid, as it should. ?That change in air/fuel ratio went away when we manually held the piston open. I have to agree that it does not seem to impact power much because the peak HP on the dyno was about the same whether we held the piston open or not. ?Intuitively that does not make sense, but there it is.....But to return to the question, it does not seem related to the crank harmonics, I surmise after seeing all the responses.For what it?s worth, we are running a Tilton Aluminum flywheel ( I forget the Weight) with a TR6 pressure plate and three puck disc. As a left-over from ?back in the day,? I run a Corvair damper. It?s relatively massive with high inertia due to it?s diameter. It seems to work well. Have had no fretting of the nose if the crank that we?ve seen with the small dampers available in kits today, or with none at all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: ?I encountered this magic move the carburetor?piston many many times?on the engine dyno.? Could find no reason?for the action and never did.? It did not seem to affect the power (you'd think it would) and was not always there. My last thoughts about this wasa the cross over balance tube may have some effect. I'd stop that particular?run, idle the engine a minute and start over and the event would NOT occur again. It was just plain weird to stand there watching the pistons of the S.U's? ?and all of a sudden one of them would slowly drop down about halfway. My only suspect was harmonics.?? Never be beaten by equipment. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:50 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6)? pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Tue Aug 25 11:58:41 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:58:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <037b01d67b09$5edb49c0$1c91dd40$@cox.net> Greg, I have a spare front apron you can borrow if you are anywhere near Va Beach. Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:33 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Aug 25 13:41:12 2020 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:41:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Message-ID: Phil, A few years ago we were running a 3/4 race TR-4A engine on the dyno. We ran it with H-6 carbs on a short manifold and HS-6 Carbs on a long manifold. With the H-6 carbs, the engine ran as we expected and would pull from about 2500 RPM up to about 6,500 RPM smoothly and evenly. peak power was at about 5,500 rpm. When we switched to the HS-6 carbs on the long manifold we found substantially more power and torque from 2,800 rpm on up the rev range, but at 5200 rpm the power died and the bsfc went all to hell. We determined that the fuel was foaming in the float bowls and making the fuel mixture go wild. We installed the MG_B style rubber mounts for the float bowls so that they wer flexibly mounted, not solid as with the TR-4A setup, but that did not cure the issue. We then used weber 45dcoe soft mount kits to create a rubber cushion between the carb body and the inlet manifold. That cured the problem. The power then continued smoothly past the vibration period up to 6,000 RPM where it fell off because of the cam that was in the engine. Apparently the length of the long inlet manifold amplified the vibration frequency from the engine and caused the fuel mixture in the carb bowls and jet to foam, destroying the fuel mixture. Isolating the carb from the engine vibration cured the problem. Greg Solow ------- Original Message ------- >From : Phil Gott via Fot[mailto:fot at autox.team.net] Sent : 8/25/2020 4:50:12 AM To : fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 19:35:02 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:35:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 Message-ID: Amici, There are detailed rumors floating around the Internet about a 2021 Kastner Cup event... ...big names like Kas Kastner and Joe Alexander are attached to these rumors.. ...yet no announcement via FOT? Are the rumors about a July event at Portland International Raceway true? Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone From curt.johnston at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 20:15:02 2020 From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1347804935.42300.1598494503182@connect.xfinity.com> Hi Brad, The 2021 Kastner Cup is set for Portland International Raceway with SVRA in July next year. Check out the attached Save The Date pdf. He certainly hope that Kas and Joe will be involved, but only time will tell. Joe is focused on helping Kas right now, so we are assembling a committee to coordinate the 2021 Kastner Cup. If you or others are interested please let me know, as we could certainly use the help. 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Joe is focused on helping Kas right now, so we are assembling a committee to coordinate the 2021 Kastner Cup. 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Here?s a pair for sale. 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Well, there is a Morgan Plus 4, so one more Triumph engine at least. 3 Spitfires in Group 6. A pretty good size field overall...where are all the Triumphs? I'll be writing a 'View from the pits' sidebar for Victory Lane. Maybe I can sneak some Triumph angle into that... Schedule and more if you have a need: https://limerock.com/HF38ParticipantInfo#overlay-context=covidupdates?? First visit to legendary Lime Rock...should be fun! Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 15:23:08 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if they ever made a > true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never > seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to > improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the > solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic > hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop > from the factory. Just an observation.? Any comments? > > Jack > > On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot > wrote: > > > I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share > them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s > Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the > Triumph Herald. > > Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) > > I have no connection with the seller. > > ?Justin > > > > > 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... > > > https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Fri Aug 28 10:44:22 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> References: <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> Message-ID: The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963, and the GT cars in 1962, so was likely available before the TR4A. They are a rare thing, but do make the car more usable in the colder months. Here?s mine... > On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: > > ? A hardtop was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry > > On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >> >> Jack >> >> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >> >> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >> >> I have no connection with the seller. >> >> ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >> >> >> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 28, 2020, at 12:06 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963, and the GT cars in 1962, so was likely available before the TR4A. They are a rare thing, but do make the car more usable in the colder months. Here?s mine... > > > > > >>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? A hardtop was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry >> >> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >>> >>> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >>> >>> I have no connection with the seller. >>> >>> ?Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >>> >>> >>> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 12:37:58 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry.? I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on cars like yours.? I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.? The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.? I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you mentioned.? But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A. Thanks for your comments. Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the 2017 Kastner Cup.The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the center portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which is the ?Surrey Top? often referred to by enthusiasts.Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and Bob Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don?t see him very often.I?ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for 40 of those years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold the car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and later was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is now unobtanium. JVV?From: Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PMTo: FOT ; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents?This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments??Jack ?On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ??I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? ?Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) ?I have no connection with the seller. ??Justin ? 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2019 St. Patrick's Parade.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 260633 bytes Desc: not available URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 13:57:31 2020 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> Message-ID: <352277579.11818.1598644651904@mail.yahoo.com> The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option.? I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section.? I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!? The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.? It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!? Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.? It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.? Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 14:03:20 2020 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1633683003.12464.1598645000629@mail.yahoo.com> I'll bet a TR6 hardtop will fit a TR4, not sure it would look good though being angular lines instead of rounded.? Although aftermarket TR6 tops tend to be a little more rounded so might look okay on a TR4.? I've seen TR4 surrey tops on TR6's so I imagine the fit would work the other way too. Or get a GTR4 Dove with the fixed fastback roof, but maybe those are too rare to make into a racecar.? A guy in our club has had two of them so maybe they aren't that rare? Dusty On Friday, August 28, 2020, 01:44:31 PM CDT, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: Hi Jerry.? I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on cars like yours.? I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.? The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.? I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you mentioned.? But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A. Thanks for your comments. Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the 2017 Kastner Cup.The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the center portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which is the ?Surrey Top? often referred to by enthusiasts.Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and Bob Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don?t see him very often.I?ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for 40 of those years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold the car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and later was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is now unobtanium. JVV?From: Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PMTo: FOT ; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents?This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments??Jack ?On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ??I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? ?Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) ?I have no connection with the seller. ??Justin ? 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Exactly what need to inspire me during the cold winter rebuilds How can I get at least one!! Thank you Joe and Clark For making this poster happen Mike Deweerd On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > Clark Lincoln-Artist > > > > Joe Alexander > > 4505 Donald Dr > > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > > The-vintage-racer.com > > Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 05:10:35 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Wishes, Old Friend, on 30 August 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53F0E1CE-DC16-449D-9EA7-B377DA7E61B5@gmail.com> Happy Birthday Kas! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > ? > Wow!! > Joe and Clark, this looks great!! Exactly what need to inspire me during the cold winter rebuilds > How can I get at least one!! > Thank you Joe and Clark For making this poster happen > Mike Deweerd > > > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Clark Lincoln-Artist >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> 4505 Donald Dr >> >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> >> The-vintage-racer.com >> >> Gasketinnovations.com >> >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 14:45:37 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:45:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <352277579.11818.1598644651904@mail.yahoo.com> References: <352277579.11818.1598644651904@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!). The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was for wintertime. The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the way with the idea! Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. Great resources! Best, Terry > On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: > > ? > The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option. I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section. I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!! The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! > > > > > hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry > > On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? > > Jack > > On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > > I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. > > Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) > > I have no connection with the seller. > > ?Justin > > > > > 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... > > > https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sun Aug 30 21:44:33 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> References: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> I?ve often wondered why we don?t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage? > On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ? > I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!). > > The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was for wintertime. The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. > > They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. > > The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. > > Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the way with the idea! Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. Great resources! > > Best, Terry > >>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option. I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section. I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!! The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! >> >> >> >> >> hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry >> >> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >> >> Jack >> >> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >> >> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >> >> I have no connection with the seller. >> >> ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >> >> >> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 31 00:21:50 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:21:50 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jack, It was called a Surrey Top. The rear screen stayed on the vehicle as it was a retrofit and removal of some parts that made up the ?soft top? parts was required. You had the best of both worlds then. Fitting the ?roof? or the canvas surrey centre section. I have a genuine Steel Roof, Aluminium Roof and ?still in the triumph box? canvas surrey centre section. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Friday, 28 August 2020 7:23 AM To: FOT; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 05:26:44 2020 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> References: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <885956159.568124.1598873204562@mail.yahoo.com> I have a "street" bar underneath mine that fit with no alteration.? I did race it in a Vintage "exhibition" class at our Put In Bay Races a number of years ago before we tightened specs on that class and did meet the helmet/top of roll bar regulation.? I'm 5'9" so anyone taller probably wouldn't have met it.? To have any kind of "aerodynamic" benefit you would need the hard center section because at any track where you could manage a decent top speed the open Surrey Top would function as a superb drag parachute!!? ?I hope I didn't sound in an earlier post that I hated the Surrey Top, I really like the unique look it gives the car and its only a pain to seal up for rain in a "very British" manner!!!! On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 11:44:36 PM EDT, John Linney wrote: I?ve often wondered why we don?t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage? On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: ? I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!).? The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. ?The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. ?It was for wintertime. ?The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. ? They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. ?Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! ?Triumph led the way with the idea! ?Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. ?Great resources! Best, Terry? On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: ? The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option.? I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section.? I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!? The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.? It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!? Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.? It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.? Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Mon Aug 31 22:34:03 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 21:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GoPro Questions In-Reply-To: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com> References: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <79497012-31EF-4231-A134-448F227F7B6E@linneyweb.com> Hi Walter - I wrote an article on my site which takes you through it... https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera I mention that recording at 2.7K will help get the best stabilization. Since writing the article I have gotten a Hero 8 Black and have found the stabilization to be very good at 4K, so you can?t go wrong there either. To sum it up - 24 or 30 frames a second. 24 gives better detail and more of a sensation of speed. 4K resolution. Stabilization on high as possible. I like the lower color settings as the GoPro color can be quite punchy and fake looking. Limit ISO to 1600 or less. Let me know if you?d like me to walk you through it. -john > On Aug 31, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: > > ? > For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8 Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use? > Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi record then play back > Via a split screen? > > Thanks > Walter Hollowell > Albuquerque, New Mexico > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Aug 1 03:51:16 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 05:51:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. > > I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. > > I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... > Jack > > > > > > On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwestfall at ymail.com Sat Aug 1 07:59:17 2020 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Message-ID: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 08:48:06 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2052966010.134828.1596293286413@mail.yahoo.com> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical.? I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.? It didn't work!? So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Aug 1 08:51:37 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is missing... The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as robust. Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio requirements. Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their results. Worked for me, just sayin'... Henry On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Aug 1 08:57:53 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1738957132.135797474.1596293873188.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> "Staking the head", as per the Kas Kastner books :I've done it on 3 cylinderheads so far. It is really straightforward and a good measure for peace of mind. If the staking is done before milling the head, the screws are nicely flush by itself . The 4 cyl TR engines are 60+ yrs old by now and more often than not, the liners are not protruding evenly and milling the block is necessary. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Phil Gott" , "Jack Wheeler" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 augustus 2020 15:59:17 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Best Head Gasket I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. Cheers! Russ Westfall [ https://yho.com/footer0 | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ] On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. [ https://www.cometic.com/ | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure ] [ https://www.cometic.com/ | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme PressureCometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... ] Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 09:00:16 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> The liner protrusion spec I mentioned in my previous email (.003" - .005") is right from the TR-4 Factory Workshop Manual.? Obviously, this implies use of a stock factory head gasket.? I used this same spec with the factory steel shim gaskets for 24 years in my race engines and never had a failure.? If manufacturers of other head gaskets recommend a different protrusion spec, obviously go with their recommendation. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 10:52:14 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot wrote: Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is missing... The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as robust. Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio requirements. Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their results. Worked for me, just sayin'... Henry On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Aug 1 09:18:00 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 08:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <320136122.32060.1596295080863@connect.xfinity.com> I ran a steel shim gasket with copper wire ring on the head side, milled the block for truing and had .006" protrusion. >10.5:1 compression with .125" milled off the head. No problems after 19 events (at least 20 hours on track) and 5,500 miles of street driving and club tours. The stock liners were bored and honed with a torque plate in place. I had expert guidance, thanks Greg, during this, my first TR motor build. Dave H. > On 08/01/2020 8:00 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > > > The liner protrusion spec I mentioned in my previous email (.003" - .005") is right from the TR-4 Factory Workshop Manual. Obviously, this implies use of a stock factory head gasket. I used this same spec with the factory steel shim gaskets for 24 years in my race engines and never had a failure. If manufacturers of other head gaskets recommend a different protrusion spec, obviously go with their recommendation. > > Jack > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 10:52:14 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is > missing... > > The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of > getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many > solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are > variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own > recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the > letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, > others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the > liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. > > Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to > liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches > your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as > robust. > > Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, > are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can > be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used > correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you > can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio > requirements. > > Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 > people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different > solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy > their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their > results. > > Worked for me, just sayin'... > > Henry > > > On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > Phil, Dave, > > > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > > > Thank you > > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Aug 1 11:46:13 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 17:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket References: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> The original cylinder sleeve?specs are for original factory?head gaskets. ?They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. ?The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. ?Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall?thickness. ?I measured this at 100 lbs torque.? Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. ? Its actually pretty simple. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Saturday, August 1, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical.? I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.? It didn't work!? So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Aug 1 12:28:44 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> References: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. > > Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. > > Its actually pretty simple. > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. > > Jack > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: > > > I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. > Cheers! > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Michael; >> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. >> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. >> The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. >> Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. >> >> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. >> >> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. >> >> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >> >> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... >> Jack >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Phil, Dave, >> >> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. >> >> Thank you >> Michael L >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Aug 1 12:43:43 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All really good advice, especially following one recipe no mixing and matching and it will work out for you. I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne type (composite) gaskets. I?ve got a race motor with 12.75 compression with about 20 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I?ve always used the Payne style gaskets. Wow now I?ve done it, I?m sure I have a motor rebuild in my near future now. Best of luck, Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. > Phil > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. >> >> Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. >> >> Its actually pretty simple. >> >> MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 >> Fax 626.628.3777 >> Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 >> T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. >> >> Jack >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: >> >> >> I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. >> Cheers! >> Russ Westfall >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Michael; >> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. >> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. >> The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. >> Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. >>> >>> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. >>> >>> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. >>> >>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >>> >>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >>> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Phil, Dave, >>> >>> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Michael L >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 16:08:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> John, There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. Please don?t be disappointed, John. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > deserved! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Aug 1 16:33:10 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 22:33:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EB6C3CF-A863-4C59-9DF7-4F5AAE6D4566@mhc-law.com> Greg: We do the same @ 12.1 and have not had a problem for years. Careful assembly, straight block & head & correct cyl hight with a good composite gasket works for us. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: ? All really good advice, especially following one recipe no mixing and matching and it will work out for you. I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne type (composite) gaskets. I?ve got a race motor with 12.75 compression with about 20 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I?ve always used the Payne style gaskets. Wow now I?ve done it, I?m sure I have a motor rebuild in my near future now. Best of luck, Greg Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. Its actually pretty simple. MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall > wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. Cheers! Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot > wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. 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URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 18:50:04 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 19:50:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports > Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive > interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by > John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but > there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited > distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sun Aug 2 19:09:43 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 18:09:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Looking forward to that article Shawn. As to the video? It?s coming! In the meantime I just uploaded the trailer to YouTube? https://youtu.be/I3t_H_ljuGE > On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p > > I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. > > SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. > > Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 05:52:03 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 06:52:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Message-ID: I read a couple of people talking about milling the block deck. I have seen two blocks that were milled, one on a club member's car that had head gasket issues and another on a block I was checking to build a race engine. No doubt that both had been milled with the block flat on the milling table. With liners in place, boring plate installed, the deck surface was off by 2 thousands side to side. Not very head gasket friendly. I did some measuring and realized that the figure 8 surface was also off by the same amount. Both could have been the result of sloppy machine work but I came to the conclusion that the factory block deck and figure eight machining was done at the same time. I haven't yet decked a block but if I did I would measure the figure 8 surface relative to the deck first. YMMV. Bob Kramer On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:51 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Michael; > It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to > .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 > gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled > to achieve the proper protrusion. > If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider > staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the > Kastner book. It is weak in this area. > The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not > tried all of it. > Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with > the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your > gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: > > ? > I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. > I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head > gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in > the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day > 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into > the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull > some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests > for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant > system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the > head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. > > I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a > local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had > never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so > surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the > internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR > engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for > different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different > thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the > thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a > little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I > ordered one. > > I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and > suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car > since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree > days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. > By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I > also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do > not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check > it out. > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of > motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... > > Jack > > > > > > On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 > #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Aug 3 07:50:04 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 09:50:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <419CB464-2C98-466D-86A9-5632CADCB3E2@me.com> wow, great trailer. Can?t wait! On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: Looking forward to that article Shawn. As to the video? It?s coming! In the meantime I just uploaded the trailer to YouTube? https://youtu.be/I3t_H_ljuGE > On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: > > I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p > > I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. > > SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. > > Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Mon Aug 3 08:59:14 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2122806933.694568.1596466754227@mail.yahoo.com> Excellent, Shawn.? Looking forward to the article!? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank via Fot To: Joe Alexander Cc: Friends of Triumph ; John Davaies Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: John, There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. Please don?t be disappointed, John. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > deserved! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to >? ? fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >? ? fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at >? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 14:26:06 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Photo of a 2020 Peggy Kastner Award needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1422062882.36703.1596486366747@mail.yahoo.com> Looks like they were wrapped up when I took a picture of them: Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 3, 2020, 4:13 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: As I finish off the film of this year?s Kastner Cup, I need a photo of one of this year?s Peggy Kastner Awards for the end titles sequence. If anyone who has one could shoot a picture square-on without reflections and email it to me, it would be much appreciated. A phone picture will be fine, and I can crop out any background. Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 907AB554-6225-4320-B93E-A4274728C09A.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2725944 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Aug 5 06:27:58 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:27:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Photo of a 2020 Peggy Kastner Award needed Message-ID: I will grant you this is not the best pic ever taken. But it was my best try Mike Jackson TR3 #62 Sent from EarthLink Mobile mail On 8/3/20, 4:12 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: As I finish off the film of this year?s Kastner Cup, I need a photo of one of this year?s Peggy Kastner Awards for the end titles sequence. If anyone who has one could shoot a picture square-on without reflections and email it to me, it would be much appreciated. A phone picture will be fine, and I can crop out any background. Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 07:27:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 06:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= Message-ID: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From bownes at seiri.com Fri Aug 7 08:48:51 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:48:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= In-Reply-To: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> References: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 09:23:56 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 11:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= In-Reply-To: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> References: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> Message-ID: <911414B9-F289-4F7D-9F3D-9B91D91BA77B@gmail.com> Kas can recite his lap times from 1956, on street tires and remind you that he is still faster than you! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ?As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From billdentin at aol.com Fri Aug 7 11:58:51 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= References: <782343163.1550229.1596823131456.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <782343163.1550229.1596823131456@mail.yahoo.com> I never claimed to be FAST.? ?I always thought of myself as "HALF FAST". Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, August 7, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Kas can recite his lap times from 1956, on street tires and remind you that he is still faster than you! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ?As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell:? 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > > > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot > > wrote: > >> > >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but > he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell:? 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.mercer at outlook.com Sat Aug 8 21:48:46 2020 From: rick.mercer at outlook.com (Richard Mercer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 03:48:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sad to say but I have to sell Message-ID: All, I have a 72 SpitSix with a TR-6 motor, 2 Spitfires and one complete 74 Spitfire Body with factory hard top. The 72 SpitSix runs well but the rear tub was a real hack job when it was converted. Literally from what I can tell cut the GT6 tub apart as it still has the original gas tank and gas door as well as original doors with wing windows. The cars name was Monte and can be found on the triumph experience registry. I had intended on putting a 73 rear tub which all of the body work has been completed for the most part and will make this thing awesome. I had intended to do a frame off on the SpitSix but we have decided to downsize significantly. The 73 is a rolling Chassis, tub, bonnet and all of the parts out of it. It has a motor that needs to be reworked but also overdrive tranny and all necessary parts to basically make it whole if someone wanted to. My intent was to put the complete 74 body which just needs some tlc and paint on this chassis. I have a 79 that was raced a few time in the northwest. The engine and many other parts could be a great source for to build a full Spitfire with overdrive. Just dreams... I am going to get pictures tomorrow of everything but I would like to sell all of it if possible as a package deal. Not looking for much, only like $5k for all of it. If any of you are interested please let me know. I will reply tomorrow to this string with many pictures. Richard Mercer 858-285-5673 The -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Tue Aug 11 18:41:38 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Message-ID: Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linney https://ClassicMotorFilms.com NEW RELEASE Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms Subscribe ?to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. Share Tweet Forward MORE VIDEOS Facebook Instagram YouTube Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. Our mailing address is: Classic Motor Films 13624 Westover Dr Saratoga, CA 95070-5136 Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Aug 12 07:37:10 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: <1255558718.593808.1597238573987@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1255558718.593808.1597238573987@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <310854045.598853.1597239430094@mail.yahoo.com> Nicely done! Thanks must have been a ton of work, thanks! General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge" On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:22:53 AM EDT, Rick Parent wrote: FYI General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge" ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: John Linney via Fot To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 08:42:10 PM EDTSubject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened.? So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linneyhttps://ClassicMotorFilms.com | | | | | | | | | NEW RELEASE | | | | | | Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. | | | | KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era.??The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars.? ? Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. ? Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened.? ? If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films.? ? https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms ? | | | | Subscribe?to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. | | | | | | | | | | Share | | | | | | | Tweet | | | | | | | Forward | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MORE VIDEOS | | | | | | | | | | | | | Facebook | | | | Instagram | | | | YouTube | | | | | | | | | | | Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. 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URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Aug 12 07:49:48 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <129979007.682869.1597240188515@mail.yahoo.com> Great job, John.? Thanks for such a great effort!-- Jay -----Original Message----- From: John Linney via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 8:41 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened.? So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linneyhttps://ClassicMotorFilms.com | | | | | | | | | NEW RELEASE | | | | | | Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. | | | | KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era.??The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars.? ? Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. ? Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened.? ? If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. > > So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. > > If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > John Linney > https://ClassicMotorFilms.com > > > NEW RELEASE > > Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. > KASTNER CUP 2020 > THE RETURN TO MID OHIO > The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. > > The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. > > Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. > > Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. > > If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. > > So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. > > If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > John Linney > https://ClassicMotorFilms.com > > NEW RELEASE https://youtu.be/Jb8_izXOPos > Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. > KASTNER CUP 2020 > THE RETURN TO MID OHIO > The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. > > The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. > > Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. > > Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. > > If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Aug 12 10:14:56 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:14:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: <976233166.500.1597248248096@connect.xfinity.com> References: <976233166.500.1597248248096@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1D6923C9-0AD3-4C88-9334-2344B5B34095@linneyweb.com> Thanks Dave. That was my 360 camera, and you?d be welcome to borrow it if you?d like to give one a try. I may feel compelled to do a movie though :). The only downside is that the files are huge and it takes some computer muscle to deal with them. I also wish the quality was better, but you always get the shot you need. Let me know. I?d love to put it to use again. -john BTW. It?s an Insta360 ONE R. > On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:04 AM, DAVE HOGYE wrote: > > ? > Thanks John. Nice production. > I'll have to ask Mike Moore about his 360 camera. It seems to make sense over having two cameras and the resolution looks excellent. > Dave H. >> On 08/11/2020 5:41 PM John Linney via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. >> >> So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. >> >> If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms >> >> John Linney >> https://ClassicMotorFilms.com >> >> >> NEW RELEASE >> >> Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. >> KASTNER CUP 2020 >> THE RETURN TO MID OHIO >> The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. >> >> The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. >> >> Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. >> >> Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. >> >> If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Aug 12 10:20:47 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:20:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tim. It was a blast to make it. Looking forward to future races. And yes you do need to get a camera :). I recommend the GoPro Hero 8 Black. For much less than the cost of a thrown rod, it has great stabilization (no more jelly wobble video), great field of view, really good video quality. I even wrote an article on what to look for. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera -john > On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Tim Slater via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great job and many thanks for all the work that went into the movie ! I really enjoyed the event and maybe I need to get a camera now ! > Tim Slater > Spitfire #17 > > > > Phone: 561-820-0021 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 19:46:18 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:46:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. Message-ID: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> Anyone have a line on one? Asking for a friend. Thanks? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Aug 12 20:14:14 2020 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 21:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. In-Reply-To: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> References: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D6ABE432597458E9F91AEB48D745ADB@Rocky> Not sure what a "tropical" fan is, but for my Spitfire race car I bought a plastic Corvette fan, 6 blades, cut down the blades and drilled new bolt holes. Works great. --Rocky Entriken -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. Anyone have a line on one? Asking for a friend. Thanks? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From cofrog at q.com Thu Aug 13 12:26:46 2020 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings Message-ID: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Thu Aug 13 12:39:41 2020 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry Ross WPTA Membership Director FOT Member ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Aug 13 13:40:01 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> I'll discuss it. TRF was at a lot of events over the years promoting their British car parts so I consider the facts fair game. There are facts out there; let them be known. We investors were lied to about Runyan's supposed life insurance policy. It didn't exist. I'll be taking a fatty as will my cousin who also invested. Luckily we can easily weather the storm. The people who will make out no matter what are the lawyers. They will get their cut first. I will say that all the folks who work (ed) at TRF are great people, especially Uncle Dave. Never had a question he couldn't answer. Hope he's enjoying retirement. I just don't like being lied to. Getting jaded in my old age I guess. My 5 Grand worth. Stay safe everyone. This too will pass. My own personal thoughts. Bill On 8/13/2020 2:39 PM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have > suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an > FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via > Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > *To:* triumph fot ; triumph fot > *Subject:* [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The > Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.??? I > did send an email to to their??? attorney early on.??? Is this sufficient > for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:41:48 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Aug 13 14:59:32 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul > On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot > wrote: > >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot > on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot >; triumph fot > >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 13 15:04:35 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:04:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> I'm still waiting for my next annual T Shirt from the Coventry Motoring and Aviation Society. mjb. From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Thu Aug 13 15:14:54 2020 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 21:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net>, <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Paul ? I don?t think that anyone is trying to ?silence? you or anyone else for that matter. Simply put, my personal opinion is that this is just not the right forum. Do you think that Albert knew that the Investment Program was underfunded? I?m guessing that he probably did not know. Did the people who invested in The Program due their ?due diligence? Probably not. Did the people who invested in The Program actually ASK to look at the amount of Life Insurance in place? Probably not. There is nothing wrong with expressing your frustrations, I see it every day via Facebook with parts suppliers (British Parts suppliers included). I agree that freedom of speech is important. However, as my mother used to say: ?Don?t air your dirty laundry in public?. Larry Ross WPTA Membership Director FOT Member Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings I'm still waiting for my next annual T Shirt from the Coventry Motoring and Aviation Society. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.fot-racing.com__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIOjZ-Uy0$ Donate: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.team.net/donate.html__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSI0PkKDx4$ Archive: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://autox.team.net/archive__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIFgKmU7o$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIQRtofaw$ Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lawrenceross at allstate.com__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSI4WcLUs0$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 16:04:16 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - The Return To Mid Ohio - YouTube References: Message-ID: <3A0DBCCB-C014-4F5E-BA2B-511CDB5F35B8@gmail.com> FOT: See Clark?s comments below. Did everyone see John Linney?s Kastner Cup Film? It is certainly worthy of discussion on the list. It will become a ?Classic? as time races on. Thank you John Linney and all who made it possible. Every attempt was made to give credit. Regards, Begin forwarded message: > From: Clark Lincoln > Date: August 12, 2020 at 10:43:42 AM CDT > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Re: Kastner Cup 2020 - The Return To Mid Ohio - YouTube > > ? > Joe - This has got to be one of the best race videos I've ever seen! Thanks to all the in car cameras from the drivers and the excellent editing, I really felt like I was there. Clearly showed the "incident" that took Halkius out and apparently damaged the TR8 a bit-sad... > > Again congratulations to you and the team for making this happen. > > ?Clark > > From: Joe Alexander > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:47 PM > To: Clark Lincoln > Subject: Kastner Cup 2020 - The Return To Mid Ohio - YouTube > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8_izXOPos&feature=youtu.be > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:19:25 2020 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> Message-ID: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 16:35:29 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. > > like Paul stated, my two cents > > Ralph > >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >> > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:39:03 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <961860483.1434931.1597358343493@mail.yahoo.com> Just remember, before he died, we all loved Charles Runyan.? I, for one, don't need or want to hear any unfortunate news about his business skills.? He still did a lot for the sports car hobby. Jack On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:20:22 PM EDT, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:39:47 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, Joe. On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:36:10 PM EDT, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: ? I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Aug 13 16:48:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:48:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agree with you Joe; I think it?s terrific that we have parts suppliers such as TRF who seek out sources of parts and or commission the production of those NLA. Understandably, and sadly, sometimes that ambition may run amuck with finances and someone or some grouo gets burned. I can only think it was done only with the best of intentions. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I agree, Joe. > >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:36:10 PM EDT, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. >> >> like Paul stated, my two cents >> >> Ralph >> >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. >> >> The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience >> >> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 >> >> I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot ; triumph fot >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:00:07 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74734C2D-9199-4AF1-B482-8462C08B04ED@gmail.com> . I think it?s perfectly fine to have brought up the topic here, and have a few exchanges about it, but as an off topic turns into a more involved thread, there comes a time to think about options, like taking it private amongst those that chimed in. I provided a triumph forum link, where the topic is specifically the issue being discussed. Clearly there is a plethora of info posted there and anything an FOT member could offer there would reach a larger spectrum of Roadster Factory customers/investors then on this private group. I didn?t call for posts to stop, to be removed, or anyone to be cancelled. I just agree that the forum should try to steer itself to staying relatively on topic. Yes, we choose what we read and what we don?t, but if it didn?t matter how many subject lines we must scroll through, why not join dozens of newsgroups? Few people want to scroll through hundreds of emails to find the few they think they want to read. A few back and forths on nearly any topic should be allowed without folk crying murder, because it gives members a chance to share a topic and find members/friends that have an interest, etc. If you can?t post anything unless it?s racing specific, it stifles the social aspect of the newsgroup. ?Justin > On Aug 13, 2020, at 3:19 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. > > like Paul stated, my two cents > > Ralph > > On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > > Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? > > The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. > > Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. > > Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. > > Freedom of speech is an important principle. > > Paul > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >> > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:08:25 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:08:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B1608C1-7035-4080-8B7C-94D07E0BD2CB@gmail.com> Agree TRF is trying to keep the good going. They have always been pretty good for my TR4A, TR250 parts and what they have for my several Spitfires. Parts availability the past year or two is not what it was from TRF. TRF quality is generally better than Moss, although Moss, BPNW and others do sell TRF sourced parts...it?s all a mixed bag. Check & verify what they (all of the suppliers) have and that it meets your needs/standards. I miss Uncle Dave, agree he never was unable to find an answer to questions and usually had a viable work around, if something was unavailable. Charles was dreamer and a great marketing person! He did a lot for our cars/hobby. I looked at CIP and it wasn?t for me, nor the TRF car club, nor the motoring and avaiation society. For what the investors facilitated in TRF making new parts & keeping others available - I personally thank you! Never the less, The Investors should not have found themselves in a situation where there was no life insurance policy as was stated by Charles/TRF - sad, frustrating, maddening for sure. Terry > On Aug 13, 2020, at 18:35, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. >> >> like Paul stated, my two cents >> >> Ralph >> >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. >> >> The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience >> >> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 >> >> I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot ; triumph fot >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I have a question regarding Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. So, when in question - just toss? Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are painted and/or powder coated? Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jason On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > I know that wheels are wear items. But I have a question regarding > Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports > are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I > have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a > crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's > headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. > > So, when in question - just toss? > > Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are > painted and/or powder coated? > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, when in question - just toss? Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are painted and/or powder coated? Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 17:48:26 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Aug 14 19:07:49 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> Any chance a broken valve spring destroyed a bronze guide? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 19:16:29 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:16:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Valve spring shims? Chuck > On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:55 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 19:44:41 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:44:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> Crank timing gear shim? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Aug 14 19:49:29 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:49:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> Message-ID: <8748A829-E496-4955-BEAF-911ECDFE2B34@comcast.net> Distributor gear bushing? Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Any chance a broken valve spring destroyed a bronze guide? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Aug 14 20:38:35 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 02:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. References: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> Thats a lot of material. ?Magnetic? Cam bearing?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, August 14, 2020,?David Gott via Fot??wrote: So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Fri Aug 14 21:20:54 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I know you said you can?t find any play but I?d suggest a full tear down. That amount of metal is not good. This is just what you are seeing in the pan, think of what got circulated through the motor. Pull your bearings. My guess is they are gone. I saw this in a cut oil filter once and the rod bearings were shot. Actually crank was cracked in a couple locations too. Hopefully in your case just hammered bearings. My guess is your oil filter and cooler are full If this too. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Thats a lot of material. Magnetic? Cam bearing? > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Friday, August 14, 2020, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Aug 14 21:23:20 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 03:23:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com>, <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DFA516-4675-4219-ABAB-CD7063E02F0D@mhc-law.com> Something bad! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:47 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Crank timing gear shim? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? 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URL: From rbtr3a at cox.net Fri Aug 14 21:56:17 2020 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 23:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF Message-ID: I?m Very aware many had lost significant invest thru Charles Runyan?s failure to disclose the the fact that the investment I we're not secured thru a supposed life insurance policy. In personally do not believe he had Malice as his intent, I believe he though he could eventually pay everyone back. I personally don?t know anyone who hadn?t received some investment payment return. I?m not saying there weren?t, I just don?t know of anyone. Prior to his death everyone thought highly of him. I Also do not believe that Albert was copious in Charles intent. He has a enormous amount of weight on his shoulders in trying to keep the TRF upright, he also has the well-being and financial future of all his employees to be concerned with. Regardless of your opinion of Charles, he was responsible for many obsolete parts being remanufactured, he also helped in advancing the supply chain of our beloved hobby. Many of you know I just finished restoring a TR6 in honor of my brother. Albert personally handled every single transaction regarding my car. To me now is the time to support him and the TRF. We can?t afford to lose this valuable resource. There isn?t another vendor who supports our hobby as the they do. I?ve hosted several VTR regional and National conventions, the TRF was always willing to support the event either thru sponsorship or donations , and they were willing come and set up their store making parts available on site. No other vendor was willing to come and do this. I will, and intend to continue to purchase from them and I will be supporting them now more than ever. Can I purchase parts cheaper? probably. Am I willing to wait for backorders even though the same part is available from another vendor? Yes. 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Could a DPO have had a bearing meltdown and never properly cleaned out the sump?? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 August 2020 03:39 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 254 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Aug 15 02:04:36 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 09:04:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 253 Wheel query Message-ID: <8cb001d672da$b7cb4f80$2761ee80$@btinternet.com> Ultrasonic testing of railway wheels is commonplace (ever since the wheelman walked along the train tapping them with his hammer!) This company in the UK uses ultrasound to test race components - I'm sure somewhere in the US will do the same. https://www.resolutionndt.uk/services/automotive -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 August 2020 00:49 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 253 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Aug 15 04:35:57 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> Bearing... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: David Gott via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 13:24:53 2020 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You are not alone in your position. Bruce Stutzman On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:57 PM Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: > > I?m Very aware many had lost significant invest thru Charles Runyan?s > failure to disclose the the fact that the investment I we're not secured > thru a supposed life insurance policy. In personally do not believe he had > Malice as his intent, I believe he though he could eventually pay everyone > back. I personally don?t know anyone who hadn?t received some investment > payment return. I?m not saying there weren?t, I just don?t know of > anyone. Prior to his death everyone thought highly of him. > > I Also do not believe that Albert was copious in Charles intent. He has a > enormous amount of weight on his shoulders in trying to keep the TRF > upright, he also has the well-being and financial future of all his > employees to be concerned with. > > Regardless of your opinion of Charles, he was responsible for many > obsolete parts being remanufactured, he also helped in advancing the supply > chain of our beloved hobby. > > Many of you know I just finished restoring a TR6 in honor of my brother. > Albert personally handled every single transaction regarding my car. To me > now is the time to support him and the TRF. We can?t afford to lose this > valuable resource. There isn?t another vendor who supports our hobby as the > they do. I?ve hosted several VTR regional and National conventions, the TRF > was always willing to support the event either thru sponsorship or > donations , and they were willing come and set up their store making parts > available on site. 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URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 18:57:45 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 00:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for all the responses! ? Here are the results.....but first, have you all seen Ford vs Ferrari? ? Remember the scene where Carrol throws a nut under the Ferrari in the pits, and it is later discovered by the crew, and they all freak out? ? Yes, this appears to be that.? Tore down the engine and there is nothing currently in the engine that this came from; we inspected every moving part. ? So must have been hiding somewhere in the block from before... or one of you put something in there when I wasn?t looking at the Kastner cup! ? Haha. Realistically something must have been lodged somewhere; although I?ve had the pan dropped several times since taking custody of the car and never found anything odd. ? Maybe this was a copper washer that I lost at some point! One item we did find, however, which was good to find, is that cylinder one small end on the connecting rod wasn?t reamed correctly and was hanging up in the wrist pin a bit. ? This is the only part (wrist pins and small end bushes)?I haven?t addressed in the engine, so off to the machine shop it goes for a new small end bush to be put in. ?However, no appreciable material was worn from the bushing, and certainly not that amount of material! ? So a worthwhile project, but I?ll have to miss the night race at Thompson I was planning for this coming Saturday, I think. ? It?s the price I pay for doing what I can, when I can! ?But what fun would it be if there wasn?t anything to do?? Fun fact: Joe Gibbs Driven XP3 oil seems to be a solvent for Permatex Aviation gasket cement. ? The felts in the rear main cap were washed clean, resulting in an oil leak which launched this process in the first place. Take care, and thank you all for the input on and off list!! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 6:38 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: Bearing... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: David Gott via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Aug 15 19:39:13 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (BILL DENTINGER) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 18:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: <1015700854.1939372.1597539625457@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1015700854.1939372.1597539625457@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ll second that as well. Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 6:05 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? I?ll second for Curt! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 8:52 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. > > He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > Can I get a second? > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfcc at hotmail.co.uk Sun Aug 16 01:42:32 2020 From: bfcc at hotmail.co.uk (John) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:42:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll second Curt.... just so long as I can have a go in his cars next time I'm over! John C. www.triumphdvd.co.uk Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:52:17 -0500 From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph , curt.johnston at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! Can I get a second? Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Aug 16 04:52:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10FD47CC-9E29-4F78-AB3C-AEF6F4098579@aol.com> BTW, As someone asked: the pile of metal is completely non-magnetic. Still a mystery as to what it is and where it came from and how it got into the ground up and hammered condition it is without going through any of the engine bearings, all of which looked scarcely worn, no scores.. Would be good to know. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 9:05 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Thank you all for all the responses! Here are the results... > ..but first, have you all seen Ford vs Ferrari? Remember the scene where Carrol throws a nut under the Ferrari in the pits, and it is later discovered by the crew, and they all freak out? Yes, this appears to be that. > > Tore down the engine and there is nothing currently in the engine that this came from; we inspected every moving part. So must have been hiding somewhere in the block from before... or one of you put something in there when I wasn?t looking at the Kastner cup! Haha. Realistically something must have been lodged somewhere; although I?ve had the pan dropped several times since taking custody of the car and never found anything odd. Maybe this was a copper washer that I lost at some point! > > One item we did find, however, which was good to find, is that cylinder one small end on the connecting rod wasn?t reamed correctly and was hanging up in the wrist pin a bit. This is the only part (wrist pins and small end bushes) I haven?t addressed in the engine, so off to the machine shop it goes for a new small end bush to be put in. However, no appreciable material was worn from the bushing, and certainly not that amount of material! So a worthwhile project, but I?ll have to miss the night race at Thompson I was planning for this coming Saturday, I think. It?s the price I pay for doing what I can, when I can! But what fun would it be if there wasn?t anything to do?? > > Fun fact: Joe Gibbs Driven XP3 oil seems to be a solvent for Permatex Aviation gasket cement. The felts in the rear main cap were washed clean, resulting in an oil leak which launched this process in the first place. > > Take care, and thank you all for the input on and off list!! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 6:38 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Bearing... > > Glen Efinger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Gott via Fot > To: FOT List > Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm > Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. > > > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:42 AM, John via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll second Curt.... just so long as I can have a go in his cars next time I'm over! > > John C. > www.triumphdvd.co.uk > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:52:17 -0500 > From: Shawn Frank > To: Friends of Triumph , curt.johnston at comcast.net > Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. > > He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He > would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > Can I get a second? > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 16 06:18:05 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination References: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$.ref@rogers.com> Message-ID: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> Regarding the nomination of Curt Johnston, he was already a member. Paul From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: March 9, 2018 10:28 AM To: Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Cc: Curt & Debbie Johnston Subject: Wedge Nomination I would like to nominate Curt Johnston for membership. Curt is a long time Triumph owner, lives in the San Francisco area and has found A Huffaker TR8 convertible that is now being restored at the Huffaker garages. Here are a few words from Curt. People will be interested to learn that we will have both No. 11 cars driven by Lee Mueller at Monterey Car Week in August later this year (Carmel By The Sea Concours on the Avenue). These are the black TR7 and 8 convertibles. Lee also drove the silver TR7. In 2019, both cars should be at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion. I wanted to wait a year on the historic races, so I could get enough experience to drive it myself. Its going to be really cool to see a couple of wedges at these events, and hopefully folks outside the wedge community will understand why we like these cars so much Pictures of his car are here https://www.flickr.com/photos/162456495 at N07/ He has mentioned that he would like to race at a future Kastner cup event. Can I get a second for Curt? Thanks Paul MacDonald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 06:38:46 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:38:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> References: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$.ref@rogers.com> <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul. I wanted to make sure. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 7:18 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > Regarding the nomination of Curt Johnston, he was already a member. > > > > Paul > > > > *From:* Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > *Sent:* March 9, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Fot (fot at autox.team.net) > *Cc:* Curt & Debbie Johnston > *Subject:* Wedge Nomination > > > > I would like to nominate Curt Johnston for membership. Curt is a long time > Triumph owner, lives in the San Francisco area and has found A Huffaker TR8 > convertible that is now being restored at the Huffaker garages. Here are a > few words from Curt. > > > > People will be interested to learn that we will have both No. 11 cars > driven by Lee Mueller at Monterey Car Week in August later this year > (Carmel By The Sea Concours on the Avenue). These are the black TR7 and 8 > convertibles. Lee also drove the silver TR7. In 2019, both cars should be > at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion. I wanted to wait a year on the > historic races, so I could get enough experience to drive it myself. Its > going to be really cool to see a couple of wedges at these events, and > hopefully folks outside the wedge community will understand why we like > these cars so much > > > > Pictures of his car are here > > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/162456495 at N07/ > > > > > He has mentioned that he would like to race at a future Kastner cup event. > > > > Can I get a second for Curt? > > > > Thanks > > > > Paul MacDonald > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From curt.johnston at comcast.net Sat Aug 15 21:54:57 2020 From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 20:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1015700854.1939372.1597539625457@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1087808639.18522.1597550097794@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks Shawn, David and Bill for the nomination. I wanted to give you a bit of background. Back in the early-mid 1970's my Dad owned a Triumph TR3A that was my daily driver in High School. The first car I purchased was a TR4 during my senior year in High School. I rebuilt the TR4 engine and kept it in good condition. The year I graduated from College, the convertible TR8 came out. As a young Triumph fan, I liked the look of the convertible and the Rover V8 in particular. But I fully understand why so many folks prefer the TR2-6 cars. Since I've driven a TR3 and TR4 daily, I know they are fantastic cars, but you always want what you couldn't get back in the day. I've owned wedges since the early 1990s and have four now; a fully restored 1980 TR8, a 1981 TR8 project car for my wife Debbie, and the two Huffaker wedges. I own the race cars because a good friend of mine owns one of the original Factory Works Triumph TR7 V8 rally cars. In 2016, I hung out with him at the Sonoma Raceway Kastner Cup. By the end of the weekend I knew I had to join the fun. I researched which Triumph model to buy or build, but I just couldn't get the Huffaker wedges out of my head. I wanted a convertible race car, and t he Huffaker shop at Sonoma Raceway was just 35 minutes from my home. I talked to Joe Huffaker and he gave me a tip about one of the original TR8 convertibles. It took about three months to find the car in a barn in Oregon. That was in 2017. Joe tried to convince me to buy the Huffaker TR7 before I found the TR8, but I really wanted the V8. After I started restoration on 8, I ended up getting the 7 as well. It was a just a rolling chassis at the time. In 2019, the restorations were completed and we wanted to participate in the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. I guess I've always appreciated the history or story behind the cars, so my goal was to recreate the 1980 west coast Triumph factory sponsored SCCA race team. I got to know John Mueller and invited him to drive the TR7. John is the son of Lee Mueller, the original driver of both Huffaker No. 11 wedges. Since I hadn't driven in a vintage race, Joe Huffaker was to drive the TR8. Many of you may know how that turned out. But my goal of course was to drive the cars myself. So the 2020 Kastner Cup was my first shot, and it turned out about as well as one might expect. With that said, I really want to make sure that we preserve the history and heritage of Triumph race cars. The Kastner Cup is absolutely critical. So I've offered to help out in any way I can. I am so thankful to Kas and Joe Alexander for doing all of the heavy lifting to start and keep the Kastner Cup rolling for the past 17 years. Its a fantastic tribute to the Triumph brand and Kas Kastner. Thanks for the time, and your nomination to FOT. Curt Johnston > On 08/15/2020 6:39 PM BILL DENTINGER wrote: > > > I?ll second that as well. > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Aug 15, 2020, at 6:05 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I?ll second for Curt! > > > > Dave Gott > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 8:52 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. > > > > > > He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > > > > > Can I get a second? > > > > > > Shawn Frank > > > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > > > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > > > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > > > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > > > Iowa British Car Club > > > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > > > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > > > 515-339-4228 > > > > > > > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > > > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > > > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Aug 16 07:19:44 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (BILL DENTINGER) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:19:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination References: Message-ID: WOW! Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 8:54 PM, Curt Johnston wrote: > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 16 09:25:43 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: <1087808639.18522.1597550097794@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1015700854.1939372.1597539625457@mail.yahoo.com> <1087808639.18522.1597550097794@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <01dd01d673e1$822b4d00$8681e700$@rogers.com> Curt Sounds like a perfect fit, you have some strong Triumph DNA going on there! Paul From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Johnston via Fot Sent: August 15, 2020 11:55 PM To: BILL DENTINGER; David Gott Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination Thanks Shawn, David and Bill for the nomination. With that said, I really want to make sure that we preserve the history and heritage of Triumph race cars. The Kastner Cup is absolutely critical. So I've offered to help out in any way I can. I am so thankful to Kas and Joe Alexander for doing all of the heavy lifting to start and keep the Kastner Cup rolling for the past 17 years. Its a fantastic tribute to the Triumph brand and Kas Kastner. Thanks for the time, and your nomination to FOT. Curt Johnston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone have one straight clip they would sell or exchange for a 90 degree clip? > > lemme no > Nick in NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Mon Aug 17 16:28:18 2020 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair Message-ID: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> Looking for a friend that has a TR3 customer wanting wire wheel spoke replacement/truing/balancing. Prefer Wisconsin/Midwest location. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks, Dave Kettler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 17 16:49:52 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:49:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair In-Reply-To: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> References: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> Message-ID: If I needed this work done, I'd take it over to Motion Products, in Neenah WI. http://mpi-ferrari.com/ They do a lot of high-end Ferrari work, but they were also very accommodating in getting my Spitfire in for some dyno testing on their chassis dyno. Good people. Nice work. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of David Kettler via Fot Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:28 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair Looking for a friend that has a TR3 customer wanting wire wheel spoke replacement/truing/balancing. Prefer Wisconsin/Midwest location. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks, Dave Kettler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 18 21:16:27 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:16:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race videos Message-ID: <5885b373-446e-608f-c3d3-88e8e7c1efef@tonydrews.com> Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race.? 4 more to come as I put the videos together.? Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim Covert and Scott Fohrman.? My worst finish of the weekend too. https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg Cheers, Tony Drews From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 07:51:05 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! Feel free to respond off list. Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My worst finish of the weekend too. https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 08:59:34 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise Message-ID: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Aug 19 09:05:56 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both. "Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the consequences" On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:36 AM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! Feel free to respond off list. Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:27:11 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:27:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <978e9ca9-087a-119e-76cb-c4337b61cc84@gmail.com> On 8/19/20 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with > Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention > the choke tubes for the setups. I have a Weber web page for the TR 2-A engines. While it doesn't go into the 6, it does describe what you are looking for when tuning the carbs and what the individual bits do. It might be of some help. You really want an O2 sensor to get closer than ballpark. http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm You will also want t read over Shane's TR6 Weber web page http://triumph.hottr6.com/tr6weber.html TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 09:38:36 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards,Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All.? I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..?It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). ? Stock 3.27:1 rear end.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Any thoughts ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks Pat_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:42:08 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:42:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1DB0DCA1-DF32-4FD3-8BA0-83BF396CAED3@gmail.com> The whining I hear in the Spitfire is usually about my lap times... :-) Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). 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URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Wed Aug 19 09:45:11 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:45:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: most likely the pinion has lost its preload and it is moving in and out along the face of the ring gear...ie changing the pattern and causing a whine. Sometimes the carrier bearings will wear and cause a pattern shift, but usually a growling from the bearings accompanies the whine Chip Collingwood theukmotorsports.com (804) 564-1839 On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in > premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the > diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from > something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find > out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage > to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There > is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Aug 19 09:48:15 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> Pat;If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. ?That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. ?Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards,Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All.? I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..?It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). ? Stock 3.27:1 rear end.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Any thoughts ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks Pat_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 09:52:26 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 11:26:12 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:26:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race videos In-Reply-To: <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike Deweerd was not there.? There were 4 Triumphs that I know of - me, Michael Moore, Russ Westfall (just ran Saturday) and Pete Passon in spitfire who didn't seem to make it through the weekend. Cheers, Tony On 8/19/2020 9:01 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike Moore? ?I thought Mike Deweerd. ?Was Deweerd there? > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On?Tuesday, August 18, 2020,?Tony Drews via > Fot??wrote: > > Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race.? 4 more to come as I put the > videos > together.? Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim Covert and Scott > Fohrman.? My > worst finish of the weekend too. > > https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:29:38 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race videos In-Reply-To: References: <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m Not able to cross the border yet So racing this year has been cancelled for me Hoping to see everyone next year ! Cheers Mike Deweerd On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:26 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Deweerd was not there. There were 4 Triumphs that I know of > > - me, Michael Moore, Russ Westfall (just ran Saturday) and Pete > > Passon in spitfire who didn't seem to make it through the weekend. > > > Cheers, Tony > > > > > On 8/19/2020 9:01 AM, Bill Dentinger > > via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mike Moore? I thought Mike Deweerd. Was Deweerd there? > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > Sent > > from AOL Mobile Mail > > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 18, > > 2020, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race. 4 more to > > come as I put the videos > > > > > together. Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim > > Covert and Scott Fohrman. My > > > > > worst finish of the weekend too. > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:47:34 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough > to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: > > Pat; > If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one > of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is > from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car > side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and > hence the level of whine. > > But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier > should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the > bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) > with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) > > Hopefully it's just a bearing, > > Phil Gott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise > > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in > premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the > diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from > something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find > out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage > to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There > is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. > Any thoughts ? > Thanks Pat > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 11:51:38 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Wed Aug 19 11:58:10 2020 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:58:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cw&p ratio 4.875 Message-ID: Hi folks Anyone help me out with a 4.875:1 cw&p ? I?d like to run one again, or the higher 5.05 from the dumper truck. Anyone got one lying around ? Regards Tony Sent from my iPad From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Aug 19 12:00:48 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:00:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> , <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> Message-ID: <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn > wrote: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:02:16 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:02:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> Message-ID: Yah I know about the "ignore it approach". Thats the reason I have this differential in the car. The last one blew up and this one I got from Scott B. Put it in without checking it out and now here we are again.. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 12:51 PM Scott Janzen wrote: > well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Aug 19 12:03:10 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:03:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: <18cdc61e-a4e4-6b80-1240-99fb7009f83f@dfn.com> On 8/19/2020 11:47 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > ?? I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > Unfortunately, diff noises are like gangrene.? They can only get worse without treatment. I knew a guy in Michigan with an old Datsun pickup.? It had developed a serious whine in the rear end, but he remained oblivious and kept pushing it hard.? Eventually, the whine became so loud that it could be heard a half-mile away. Then, one day, as he was driving away from my house, the rear end screaming, there was loud snap, the wheel and axle sailed away from the truck doing a very energetic whirling dervish dance in the air, bounced on the ground a couple of times and disappeared into a sorghum field. And the noise stopped. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 12:10:38 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we called them. On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn > wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: > You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: > > Pat; > If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. > > But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) > > Hopefully it's just a bearing, > > Phil Gott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang via Fot > > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise > > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. > Any thoughts ? > Thanks Pat > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 19 14:08:05 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:08:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/19/20 9:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. As I often quip, the main advantage of Webers is they are infinitely adjustable.? The main disadvantage of Webers is they are infinitely adjustable. Not sure why you want to go to the bigger chokes, but yes, you will most likely need to rejet.? The basic rule of thumb is the mains are 4 times the choke size.? So 30mm chokes = 120 mains. While I have messed about with Webers on Spits, even a Datsun 620 pickup, I've never had a Triumph six with them.? So I can't just reach back in my memory and give any exact advice. Good luck with getting a new configuration dialed in. mjb. From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Aug 19 14:40:23 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> Message-ID: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Are your kids in the back? > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we called them. > >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: >> >> Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> >> ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! >> Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: >> >> Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) >> I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. >> P.J. >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: >>> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Pat; >>> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. >>> >>> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >>> >>> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >>> >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Lang via Fot >>> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >>> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >>> >>> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >>> >>> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >>> >>> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bob Lang >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi All. >>> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >>> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >>> Any thoughts ? >>> Thanks Pat >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 14:55:46 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:55:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44EE58EB-C21F-44EC-8A8E-3DAE39E1091A@yahoo.com> Here?s my starting jets for hot street TR6 settings: Choke 30 Main 125 Air 190 Emulsion f16 Idle f9/45 or 50 These should get you in the ballpark but every build is slightly different Losing my own settings here in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. > > I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. > > So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). > > If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! > > Feel free to respond off list. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwestfall at ymail.com Wed Aug 19 15:25:31 2020 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> AmiciI am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications?Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:40:11 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:40:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Message-ID: When your diff goes, this can happen. And I agree with Michael P, it gets very quiet very quickly, (after the impact). mike h [image: P1010697.JPG] On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:41 PM Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: > Are your kids in the back? > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we > called them. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current > model back then! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50. There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?) Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:25:31 Onderwerp: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Amici I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? Russ Westfall [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 15:42:51 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:42:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. Slippin around in NorCal Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Wed Aug 19 16:07:31 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:07:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MTL or MT-90, trans will last longer between rebuilds and shift better. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:47 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 > Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on > the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels > for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. > SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. > > Slippin around in NorCal > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot > wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions > on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on > what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 16:45:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D55CC98-9DAC-4B29-8B87-075E251F9D36@gmail.com> Running Redline MT-90 GL-4 in the Spitfire with overdrive. The car was fitted with a transmission cooler driven by a fuel pump. 70?s engineering at its finest! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > ? > MTL or MT-90, trans will last longer between rebuilds and shift better. > >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:47 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 >> Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. >> SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. >> >> Slippin around in NorCal >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >>>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? Amici >>> I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? >>> Russ Westfall >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Wed Aug 19 17:06:23 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Redline MTL-90. Great stuff. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:13:28 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cw&p ratio 4.875 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <527C0C02-5400-472F-82B6-F9C09A36AE93@gmail.com> I have one. I?m in in Texas Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi folks > > Anyone help me out with a 4.875:1 cw&p ? I?d like to run one again, or the higher 5.05 from the dumper truck. Anyone got one lying around ? > > Regards > > Tony > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Aug 19 20:18:33 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> We use Redline...no problems Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: ? The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. Slippin around in NorCal Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: ? Amici I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 21:54:05 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:54:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Message-ID: Another Grattan video.? Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.? 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Thu Aug 20 02:30:57 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:30:57 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 262 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <039501d676cc$3a701c00$af505400$@btinternet.com> See Canley Classics Archive page on "Rear End Noises": https://www.canleyclassics.com/?archive=rear-end-noises This is a relic of the Wisdom of John Kipping, and as such may be considered as having been handed down like tablets of stone. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 19 August 2020 22:40 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 262 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 06:20:14 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:20:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was a great race Tony thanks for posting these videos, Great track and great weather make a great weekend Of racing Mike On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 07:03:51 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:03:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 07:11:40 2020 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:11:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Been using 30w non detergent forever. Bruce On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:19 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > We use Redline...no problems > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > ? The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 > Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on > the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels > for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. > SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. > > Slippin around in NorCal > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot > wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions > on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on > what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 07:25:44 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:25:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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August 2020 15:11 > *An:* MadMarx > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. > EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the > engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think > the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a > corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start > with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they > were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 > Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The engine is 87mm as per FIA regulations, It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in the UK using all the best bits from Kas?s knowledge... Kind regards, Keith > On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. > We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol > Mike > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Kas Kastner > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > An: MadMarx > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > Mike Deweerd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 08:22:21 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:22:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Message-ID: My Kids won't fit in the back. The youngest one is 29 and weighs about 230 Lbs. I think I might have a wheel rubbing issue with him back there.. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:40 PM Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: > Are your kids in the back? > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we > called them. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current > model back then! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mckearn2 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 08:22:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:22:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <60045AFF-8461-4832-9DC7-F57A90668743@btinternet.com> References: <60045AFF-8461-4832-9DC7-F57A90668743@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes, using California Air. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > ?So, my dyno might be optimistic but it is 206bhp at 6511 rpm... > > The engine is 87mm as per FIA regulations, > > It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in the UK using all the best bits from Kas?s knowledge... > > Kind regards, > > Keith > >> On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. >> We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol >> Mike >> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: >>> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. >>> >>> But Triumphs do better from my experience. >>> >>> My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Von: Kas Kastner >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 >>> An: MadMarx >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >>> >>> >>> >>> I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. >>> >>> Never be beaten by equipment. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Very well driven. >>> >>> >>> >>> Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? >>> >>> Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> What power do they make? >>> >>> Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB >>> >>> and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, Tony Drews >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mike Deweerd >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Aug 20 09:30:01 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 References: <1193066256.4985768.1597937401933.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1193066256.4985768.1597937401933@mail.yahoo.com> GREAT RACING by all involved. Loved the way you used traffic on that one pass. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, August 19, 2020,?Tony Drews via Fot??wrote: Another Grattan video.? Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.? 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 10:19:57 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Rajah Clips In-Reply-To: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1430971079.5026114.1597940397233@mail.yahoo.com> GuysI don't know why this appeared again...electron majic? You lads are way better googleirs than myself. Thanks for finding all the sources for Rajah clips that allow the purchase of not only the style I need, but in small quantities.Special thanks to the fellows who offered to send me a clip, but at this time I'm gonna?drop the "big" dollars (like $2) on a coupla new units. The intelligence of the collective Borg is impressive. "They don't call me sparky for nothin"...RajahNick in NorCal On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:10 PM PDT, Nick Black wrote: OK guys...mister fat-fingers here... I managed to break one of the Rajah clips that I use on the Duke's plug wires. Looks like they are gettin a bit scarce on the ground, but still available in whole motor sets (8). Does anyone have one straight clip they would sell or exchange for a 90 degree clip? lemme noNick in NorCal_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 11:18:29 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:18:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01d67715$ec4fa730$c4eef590$@gmail.com> Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 11:20:57 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:20:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' ; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' Cc: 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Aug 20 11:26:24 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:26:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <1021138771.57690399.1597873291389.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <13491820.57684118.1597873172123.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1021138771.57690399.1597873291389.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1765437011.61268733.1597944384264.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I mentioned Zinc content in GL-4 and GL-5 oil, that's wrong of course, it's about Sulfur. Sulfur is also reactive to Nikasil. Some cars in the eighties had Nikasil liners : Honda, Jaguar, Rover, and also Porsche. But the high sulfur content in the FUEL of that period did damage the Nikasil liners, thus causing severe loss of power and high oil consumption. The sulfur content of modern fuels is very low and it isn't harmful to Nikasil anymore. However, car manufacturers have changed to other production processes to reduce ring/liner friction, because of these problems but also because Nikasil is expensive for massproduction. Marcel Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:41:31 Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:39:32 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil I believe most Triumph owners agree that engine oil can safely be used in the gearbox wether or not it has an overdrive. For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50. There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?) Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:25:31 Onderwerp: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Amici I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? Russ Westfall [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 13:22:08 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:22:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332 $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. Cheers Brian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I > have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for > straightening and inspection. > > Scott (B.) > > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Aug 20 13:43:24 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:43:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Yeah, but this is for my P-car. I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300. Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332 $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. Cheers Brian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 14:33:42 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:33:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote: > Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the > secret?.225Nm. > > > > *Von:* tr4racing at gmail.com > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 > *An:* 'Michael Deweerd' ; ' > tr4racing at googlemail.com' > *Cc:* 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Betreff:* AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > Mike, > > > > my engine is really nothing special. > > Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford > Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 > Webers, that?s all. > > My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very > fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. > > There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because > I accidently overtook under yellow) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Michael Deweerd > > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 > *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com > *Cc:* Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my > new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. > > We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that > need squashing lol > > Mike > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight > corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than > a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Kas Kastner > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > *An:* MadMarx > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. > EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the > engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think > the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a > corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start > with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they > were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 > Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Aug 20 14:41:22 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair References: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053@mail.yahoo.com> I remember dealing with this year's ago, and recall discussing whether the repairs were cosmetic or structural. ? MAG Silverstones were the most desirable, and rare as hen's teeth, because they'd been trashed in a race or racing. ?I acquired about a dozen. ?Then American Racing Wheels started making them again. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Thursday, August 20, 2020,?Barr, Scott via Fot??wrote: Yeah, but this is for my P-car.? I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300.? Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair?Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332? $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. CheersBrian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Aug 20 14:46:35 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:46:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <7A474769-32D0-44C0-85AC-8B13AF583D2A@mhc-law.com> We use H beam racing Ford modular V8 rods from Manley... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: ? What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM > wrote: Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' >; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' > Cc: 'Kas Kastner' >; 'fot at autox. team. net' > Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 15:09:21 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:09:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <7A474769-32D0-44C0-85AC-8B13AF583D2A@mhc-law.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> <7A474769-32D0-44C0-85AC-8B13AF583D2A@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Any chance someone has a part number? Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 4:46 PM John H. Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We use H beam racing Ford modular V8 rods from Manley... > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? > > > > > Inquiring minds want to know > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the >> secret?.225Nm. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* >> >> tr4racing at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 >> >> >> *An:* 'Michael Deweerd' ; ' >> tr4racing at googlemail.com' >> >> >> *Cc:* 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> >> >> *Betreff:* AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike, >> >> >> >> >> >> my engine is really nothing special. >> >> >> Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford >> Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 >> Webers, that?s all. >> >> >> My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do >> very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. >> >> >> There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because >> I accidently overtook under yellow) >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Michael Deweerd >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 >> >> >> *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com >> >> >> *Cc:* Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my >> new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that >> need squashing lol >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight >> corners. >> >> >> But Triumphs do better from my experience. >> >> >> My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster >> than a MG. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Kas Kastner >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 >> >> >> *An:* MadMarx >> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. >> EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the >> engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think >> the MG's are a lot lighter in >> >> weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG >> engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way >> back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs >> and very reliable. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Never be beaten by equipment.* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Very well driven. >> >> >> >> >> >> Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? >> >> >> Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> What power do they make? >> >> >> Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 >> Hp range. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on >> racing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Mike Deweerd* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Mike Deweerd* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > *Mike Deweerd* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 15:31:08 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:31:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006501d67739$3833d310$a89b7930$@gmail.com> I run rods from a Ford Modular 5.6 or 5.4L Von: Michael Deweerd Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 22:34 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM > wrote: Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' >; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com ' > Cc: 'Kas Kastner' >; 'fot at autox. team. net' > Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Aug 20 18:09:50 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair In-Reply-To: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053@mail.yahoo.com> References: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <865159613.5197765.1597956082053@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95F46D50-3C63-4A69-ADAA-66C216E19165@me.com> I can recommend a place in Philadelphia - had my BMW rims straightened there after a few winters? worth of potholes - they had BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, all the stuff with big wheels - very reasonable and good work. I?m not sure why we use super low profile tires on road cars in the northeast- barely worth the tradeoff for wheel and tire failures. I used the place at 4901 Umbria Street - looks like this might be a franchise with places around the country. https://www.awrswheelrepair.com/philly/locator Maybe there?s one near you. On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: I remember dealing with this year's ago, and recall discussing whether the repairs were cosmetic or structural. MAG Silverstones were the most desirable, and rare as hen's teeth, because they'd been trashed in a race or racing. I acquired about a dozen. Then American Racing Wheels started making them again. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, August 20, 2020, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Yeah, but this is for my P-car. I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300. Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332 $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. Cheers Brian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 20 23:21:28 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:21:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan Race 3 Message-ID: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> Another Grattan video.? Fun times at the start, a couple of laps where things settle out in the middle and then a tooth and nail battle with Mike Moore for the last several laps.? It felt pretty epic in the car. https://youtu.be/iZGjlpm8tjI Cheers, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Fri Aug 21 01:24:13 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:24:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1515317280.63188773.1597994653317.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> [ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Michael Deweerd" , "tr4racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' ; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' Cc: 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, August 21, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Anyone know this car? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 13:21:15 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:21:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Long shot, Vegas Spitfire? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don?t know the car or driver... but be on the lookout for a very tall driver! Yikes that?s a tall bar! Thot my bar was tall... Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Anyone know this car? > > mjb. > > > <118017251_3296588337075778_3847973331408030153_n.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 13:50:56 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:50:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 Message-ID: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:21:49 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! Thanks, Terry > On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: > > ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! > > Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! > > Thanks, > COL(Ret) Terry Sopher > 813-508-1243 From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:34:02 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:34:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> References: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Terry, The 3.89 is common to the spitfire as well. I believe it is the most common diff ratio. Should be easy to find. I?d ship you one, but they are too heavy to ship. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ?Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! > > Thanks, Terry > >> On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: >> >> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Aug 21 14:49:21 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: References: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1994056877.4674232.1598042961891@mail.yahoo.com> Terry and Chuck-? I shipped one to Steve Yott in Wisconsin (from Maryland) for a rebuild last year for $79.00 if I remember correctly.? I can dig out the invoice/shipping co if necessary.? But perhaps things have changed shipping wise with what has been going on this year.Terry-? What did you experience when the flywheel sheared off?!? Did you have a scatter shield?? I know that that event can be a serious problem! Glad that it wasn't.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 Terry, The 3.89 is common to the spitfire as well.? I believe it is the most common diff ratio.? Should be easy to find.? I?d ship you one, but they are too heavy to ship. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ?Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! > > Thanks, Terry > >> On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: >> >> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off!? Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock!? Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah.? (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well.? Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear.? 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URL: From dmar823 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:52:16 2020 From: dmar823 at gmail.com (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks > to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy > Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's > Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. > Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! > > Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently > PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! > > Thanks, > COL(Ret) Terry Sopher > 813-508-1243 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Aug 21 15:30:46 2020 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:30:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801d67802$55a9afe0$00fd0fa0$@rr.com> The Spit 1500s do in fact have a 3.89 ratio diff. The Mk 4 Spits have a 4.11 in them but are heavier built than the earlier diffs in the mk 3. It is common practice to install a 4.11 R&P into the 1500 diff case but they will have to be shimmed properly for gear engagement. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall via Fot Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 4:52 PM To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 16:45:51 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Award Winning Coverage in VTR MAGAZINE by Shawn Frank. & More. Message-ID: FOT: If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it. The coverage of the highly successful Kastner Cup...?THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO?, was led by Marty Sukey, Event Chair. A tough job working with all the obstacles thrown in our path. Then there is the Kastner Cup 2020 Documentary Film by Classic Motor Films. You will be seeing more of John Linney?s work in the future. There will be further announcements coming, as I step away from a 18 years series with Kas. It?s been a great ride. Thank you everyone. Congratulations to Mike Munson, Kastner Cup Recipient. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 18:04:27 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:04:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don, Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! Best, Terry > On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: > > ? > Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 18:43:06 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Award Winning Coverage in VTR MAGAZINE by Shawn Frank. & More. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Joe! It sure was fun being there to report on the Kastner Cup 2020! Your work on all the Kastner Cup Races is absolutely invaluable! Your dedication to a friend, a legacy, and to the great unwashed have allowed the vintage racing sport to thrive and grow. You have been a pinnacle influence on more enthusiasts than you will ever know. I, for one, have felt honored and privileged to get to know most of the FOT and their families. This would not have been possible without your hand in it all. For that, I sincerely thank you! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 5:46 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it. The coverage of > the highly successful Kastner Cup...?THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO?, was led by > Marty Sukey, Event Chair. A tough job working with all the obstacles thrown > in our path. > > Then there is the Kastner Cup 2020 Documentary Film by Classic Motor > Films. You will be seeing more of John Linney?s work in the future. > > There will be further announcements coming, as I step away from a 18 years > series with Kas. It?s been a great ride. Thank you everyone. > > Congratulations to Mike Munson, Kastner Cup Recipient. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:09:01 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > Don, > > Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting > together in the future not too long ago! > > Best, Terry > > On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: > > ? > Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, > which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot > wrote: > >> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks >> to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy >> Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's >> Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. >> Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Fri Aug 21 19:22:29 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chrome platters Message-ID: <4145F17E-8D00-4F52-978D-88065EB9C248@icloud.com> Guys. Looking for recommendations on chrome platters. I?m in Austin TX but willing to ship if needed. Appreciate your input. Sent from my iPhone From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Aug 21 19:26:09 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 01:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2103812389.4753606.1598059569078@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info, Frank.? I see that the German GT6 had the 3:27 rear with overdrive.? My son put the 3:27 in his '72 GT6, which came with the 3;89/overdrive option from the factory.? We (he, my brother and myself) think the 3;27/overdrive is the best (street) combo of all. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank via Fot To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: Don, Thanks!? Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! Best, Terry? On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: ?Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off!? Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock!? ?Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah.? (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well.? Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear.? Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:42:51 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Frank - Great info! > On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:09, Shawn Frank wrote: > > ? > For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... > > http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html > > Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... > > www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html > > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >> Don, >> >> Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! >> >> Best, Terry >> >>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>>> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >>>> >>>> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >>>> 813-508-1243 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:43:33 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <384D6DC1-D2A4-4CA2-AB78-557B1A7519D1@gmail.com> Sorry Shawn! > On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:42, Terry Sopher wrote: > > ? > Thanks Frank - Great info! > >>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:09, Shawn Frank wrote: >>> >> ? >> For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... >> >> http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html >> >> Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... >> >> www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html >> >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>> Don, >>> >>> Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! >>> >>> Best, Terry >>> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >>>>> >>>>> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >>>>> 813-508-1243 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Aug 21 20:26:18 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:26:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Last 2 races from Grattan Message-ID: Yet more Grattan video for those that care. Sun race 2 - this is the more exciting of the two https://youtu.be/aQ4ZAhPZMe4 Sun race 1 - got to spend a lot of time harassing the leader https://youtu.be/fnZzOkL3dG4 Cheers, Tony Drews From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 21:24:49 2020 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Grattan Race 3 In-Reply-To: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> References: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <214718785.5847613.1598066689840@mail.yahoo.com> Tony,Some exhilarating but totally respectful racing there, thanks for sharing. Gary SchneiderBFR Classic Chief Steward since the earth cooled On Friday, August 21, 2020, 12:21:47 AM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Another Grattan video.? Fun times at the start, a couple of laps where things settle out in the middle and then a tooth and nail battle with Mike Moore for the last several laps.? It felt pretty epic in the car. https://youtu.be/iZGjlpm8tjI Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Aug 22 04:39:06 2020 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:39:06 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Last 2 races from Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02D96000-B5F8-483B-9D97-EB7B18FC1659@btinternet.com> Great racing all weekend Tony, really enjoyed your footage. Thanks, Keith > On 22 Aug 2020, at 05:26, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Yet more Grattan video for those that care. > > Sun race 2 - this is the more exciting of the two > > https://youtu.be/aQ4ZAhPZMe4 > > Sun race 1 - got to spend a lot of time harassing the leader > > https://youtu.be/fnZzOkL3dG4 > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Aug 23 11:02:00 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:02:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wheel widths? Message-ID: So when we talk about wheel width, where are we measuring? Outside edge to outside edge? Or the inside edge where the bead sits? Scott (B.) 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A few new lines were called for on this track. ?This was really fun trying to catch the 510, and after a gap formed due to traffic, I really figured out what the car could do! ?Also super neat to have the track all lit up at night! ?Enjoy: NER SCCA Midsummers Night race 082220 Thompson HRG3 Triumph TR4? | | | | | | | | | | | NER SCCA Midsummers Night race 082220 Thompson HRG3 Triumph TR4 By triumphsix73 | | | | Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 23 11:20:22 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 11:20:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wheel widths? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61abfea2-1153-9b40-cf9c-c0c6f4fbac46@bradakis.com> On 8/23/20 11:02 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > So when we talk about wheel width, where are we measuring? ?Outside > edge to outside edge?? Or the inside edge where the bead sits? > Inside, bead to bead surface. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 23 17:32:35 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:32:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta Message-ID: <670CC0634C1B40118E562B22821D8105@VlackTK121647> Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy, Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs1dwzWHn7bTUijQ9EBvRZA > On 08/23/2020 4:32 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > > Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? > > I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 07:05:05 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of O2 gauges/sensors. I recently bought an AEM gauge and was pulling my hair out trying to get it to work. I went to the forums on the Interweb and found out that the sensors AEM sends out have a high defective rate. I also learned about the "rag test" If the gauge doesn't work pull the sensor and wrap the end in a rag soaked with brake cleaner and see if it reads rich. This test proved my new oxygen sensor was bad. New sensor, 13.7 at idle, fun to watch it go up and down but I still check my tailpipe for grey residue. Bob Kramer On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:06 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an > off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have > gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in > the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will > decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have > to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both. > > > "Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the > consequences" > > > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:36 AM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber > jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke > tubes for the setups. > > I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in > some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. > > So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need > to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for > folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). > > If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured > in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a > baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay > dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! > > Feel free to respond off list. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Aug 24 07:08:10 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:08:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: <691501895.26770.1598237547585@connect.xfinity.com> References: <670CC0634C1B40118E562B22821D8105@VlackTK121647> <691501895.26770.1598237547585@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <000001d67a17$9e60f880$db22e980$@rogers.com> Wow, there is some gold in there, thanks. Also looking for any rally coverage late 70s and ethrough the 80s. Thanks From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: August 23, 2020 10:52 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta Hi Jerry, If you can find it anywhere, it might be here. This guy's YouTube channel is fantastic. Kind of a SCCA and sports car racing video archive. Enjoy, Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs1dwzWHn7bTUijQ9EBvRZA On 08/23/2020 4:32 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. JVV _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 09:02:55 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <1765437011.61268733.1597944384264.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <13491820.57684118.1597873172123.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1021138771.57690399.1597873291389.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1765437011.61268733.1597944384264.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <2080252401.5434031.1598281375853@mail.yahoo.com> I always used Valvoline straight 50 Wt. oil in my overdrive gearboxes for the race car.? Worked fine - no wear problems.? However, in my street cars I use EP-80/90 gear oil, as recommended by the manufacturer (I think). Jack On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 1:27:04 PM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I mentioned Zinc content in GL-4 and GL-5 oil, that's wrong of course, it's about Sulfur. Sulfur is also reactive to Nikasil. Some cars in the eighties had Nikasil liners : Honda, Jaguar, Rover, and also Porsche. But the high sulfur content in the FUEL of that period did damage the Nikasil liners, thus causing severe loss of power and high oil consumption. The sulfur content of modern fuels is very low and it isn't harmful to? Nikasil anymore. However, car manufacturers have changed to other production processes to reduce ring/liner friction, because of these problems but also because Nikasil is expensive for massproduction.MarcelVan: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:41:31 Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:39:32 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil I believe most Triumph owners agree? that engine oil can safely be used in the gearbox wether or not it has an overdrive. For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50.There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?)Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:25:31 Onderwerp: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil AmiciI am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications?Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 24 19:11:38 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:11:38 +1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 In-Reply-To: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com> References: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com> <016b01d62fc4$735d05e0$5a1711a0$@gmail.com> <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim, Good explanation. And 100% right on the effects of the flywheel weight. Not to discount the pulley at the front of the crank and its effect also. What you are feeling at around the 5200 mark is the 2nd harmonic of the crankshafts natural frequency. The 2nd harmonic is usually the most destructive harmonic and this is the crankshaft bending the most during rotation. Usually, but not always around the mid distance crank. But can be around the 2nd crank journal in the 4 Cyl engine. You will see that a lot of people will fit billet, machined, large main bearing cap around mid-crank length as they have had issues with either bearing ?wipe? of broken cap bolts. They are trying to counteract the 2nd harmonic by making the bearing journal stiffer. You don?t need to complete a complex calculation to understand what RPM?s you should minimise holding your duration at. The crank is suspended and ?struck? and the natural frequency that the crank vibrates/resonates at will give you it?s harmonic characteristics. Just like a tuning fork. This is the basis for setting your RPM?s and multiples of that RPM to stay away from. OR you need to reduce the effect at those RPM?s. Say, using a harmonic balancer design to reduce the harmonic effect at certain RPM?s. Just as Joe Alexander describes, the first harmonic is in the 2800 RPM range, but it is the least destructive so you almost miss feeling it. Hope that helps? Have a great day "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of timmmurphh--- via Fot Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency. The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses. Inertia increases as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius. An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance. I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM. I have never seen a calculation for it. It would be complex. Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. Tim Murphy From: Fot On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 Something I have wondered about for years. Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know what?s possible! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 04:41:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 06:41:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> Greg: I can?t help you with the profile, but just want to say that this is a wonderful project for you and your son. David and I did the same thing. He started a frame-off restoration of a TR6 at age 12. Finished in time to drive it to school in the spring of his senior year. Now, 30 ish years later he still has the TR6 and we are racing TR4s together. A great experience at so many levels! Please keep us informed with pictures of Will?s and your journey. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. > > My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. > > Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. > > Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 615881 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > > > Thanks. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 05:36:33 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:36:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57265A06-DE6A-4A7E-95E3-7A6A5CDC7B88@aol.com> Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Peter Vucinic via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Tim, > Good explanation. And 100% right on the effects of the flywheel weight. Not to discount the pulley at the front of the crank and its effect also. > > What you are feeling at around the 5200 mark is the 2nd harmonic of the crankshafts natural frequency. The 2nd harmonic is usually the most destructive harmonic and this is the crankshaft bending the most during rotation. Usually, but not always around the mid distance crank. But can be around the 2nd crank journal in the 4 Cyl engine. You will see that a lot of people will fit billet, machined, large main bearing cap around mid-crank length as they have had issues with either bearing ?wipe? of broken cap bolts. They are trying to counteract the 2nd harmonic by making the bearing journal stiffer. > > You don?t need to complete a complex calculation to understand what RPM?s you should minimise holding your duration at. The crank is suspended and ?struck? and the natural frequency that the crank vibrates/resonates at will give you it?s harmonic characteristics. Just like a tuning fork. This is the basis for setting your RPM?s and multiples of that RPM to stay away from. OR you need to reduce the effect at those RPM?s. Say, using a harmonic balancer design to reduce the harmonic effect at certain RPM?s. > > Just as Joe Alexander describes, the first harmonic is in the 2800 RPM range, but it is the least destructive so you almost miss feeling it. > > Hope that helps? > Have a great day > > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" > Kind Regards > Peter Vucinic > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of timmmurphh--- via Fot > Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 9:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > > > From: timmmurphh at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM > To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' > Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency. The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses. Inertia increases as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius. > > An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance. I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM. I have never seen a calculation for it. It would be complex. Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. > > Tim Murphy > > From: Fot On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > Something I have wondered about for years. > > Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. > > TeriAnn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 05:50:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:50:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 25 05:58:54 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:58:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: Well, it is possible the rear piston is doing what it should and the front one is misbehaving, not dropping when it should.? It might be interesting to track exhaust gas temps from a cylinder served by each carb, see if there is a corresponding change. mjb. From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 06:19:42 2020 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> References: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> Message-ID: Hey Greg, nice to see an update on Will?s progress. Here is an update on my 14 year old Ella?s Herald restoration. We?re nearly done stripping it so we can do a color change and we?ve pulled a donor 1500 drivetrain from a late model Spit. We?re only 2 months in but she?s still got enthusiasm. Here she is removing brake lines. She was never into our Triumphs until she saw the Herald and said it looks like Nancy Drew?s car... whatever it takes to get that first taste of the Triumph drug. Do you worry like I do about all the effort going into this car that is very likely going to get wrecked??? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly > >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 06:31:08 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: <63b8d9a2-dca9-32ad-3985-52b3b739c4c1@gmail.com> On 8/25/20 4:58 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Well, it is possible the rear piston is doing what it should and the > front one is misbehaving, not dropping when it should.?? It might be > interesting to track exhaust gas temps from a cylinder served by each > carb, see if there is a corresponding change. Or just switch the carbs to see if the characteristic stays with the carb. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Aug 25 06:34:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 14:34:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> Hi Phil, interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. Something like that. To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: Piston with rod - 1000gr Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr Clutch with plate - 1000gr Pulley - 400 gr Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. Cheers Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 An: Friends Of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From paulricco at att.net Tue Aug 25 07:00:15 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> References: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> Phil, Wr went through this with SU?s about five years ago. We had the rear SU piston ?winking? at us on the dyno on high rev pulls. We resolved it. 1. When is the last time the carbs were totally rebuilt? Any chance you have any air leaks at shafts or anywhere else? 2. What are you using for a manifold gasket? Any chance of a vacuum leak? 3. Same for the carb/isolator block end of the manifold. If you added a heat shield that is two more faces that need to seal well with gaskets. It starts to get thick and the studs are not very long. 4. What are you running for dashpot oil? 5. Which weight springs do you run in the carbs? 6. Any other vacuum leaks anywhere? All can be factors. However I would be looking for an air leak. Including at the carb shafts depending on the age. Just my two sense from having been through this and resolving it successfully. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Phil, > > interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. > I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. > > Something like that. > > To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: > Piston with rod - 1000gr > Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr > Clutch with plate - 1000gr > Pulley - 400 gr > > Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 > An: Friends Of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion > > Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: > On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. > As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. > The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. > The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. > Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? > Phil Gott > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From rick.parent at att.net Tue Aug 25 07:32:07 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> References: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> Message-ID: <1766998279.5333604.1598362327129@mail.yahoo.com> Check your cranking pressure for each cylinder first. I suspect you either have either a bad hole or a spring issue, both are easy to check. The piston is drawn up by the velocity / CFM being pulled into the engine. Rick ?"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 09:00:49 AM EDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Phil, Wr went through this with SU?s about five years ago. We had the rear SU piston ?winking? at us on the dyno on high rev pulls.? We resolved it. 1. When is the last time the carbs were totally rebuilt?? Any chance you have any air leaks at shafts or anywhere else? 2.? What are you using for a manifold gasket?? Any chance of a vacuum leak?? 3.? Same for the carb/isolator block end of the manifold. If you added a heat shield that is two more faces that need to seal well with gaskets. It starts to get thick and the studs are not very long. 4. What are you running for dashpot oil? 5. Which weight springs do you run in the carbs? 6. Any other vacuum leaks anywhere? All can be factors. However I would be looking for an air leak. Including at the carb shafts depending on the age. Just my two sense from having been through this and resolving it successfully. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Phil, > > interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. > I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. > > Something like that. > > To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: > Piston with rod - 1000gr > Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr > Clutch with plate - 1000gr > Pulley - 400 gr > > Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 > An: Friends Of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion > > Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: > On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6)? pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. > As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. > The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. > The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. > Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? > Phil Gott > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 08:04:51 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2045036664.33899.1598364291941@connect.xfinity.com> Hi Greg, There are a few good angled shots of the apron on my resto video. Especially at 10:58. Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW-cSGzyKXs > On 08/24/2020 6:32 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. > > My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. > > Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. > > Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly > > Thanks. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Aug 25 09:17:33 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That?s awesome Dusty. I keep asking Will if he is up for the heat, smell, and unreliability...he just smiles and says he will be the only one in the parking lot. I always laugh and tell him I was the only Triumph in my high school Parking lot in 1990. At this point, I hope they both get the opportunity to drive to school some day. Fingers crossed. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:20 AM, dustin nicholson wrote: > > ?Hey Greg, nice to see an update on Will?s progress. Here is an update on my 14 year old Ella?s Herald restoration. We?re nearly done stripping it so we can do a color change and we?ve pulled a donor 1500 drivetrain from a late model Spit. We?re only 2 months in but she?s still got enthusiasm. Here she is removing brake lines. > > She was never into our Triumphs until she saw the Herald and said it looks like Nancy Drew?s car... whatever it takes to get that first taste of the Triumph drug. > > Do you worry like I do about all the effort going into this car that is very likely going to get wrecked??? > > > > > Dustin Nicholson > 281-871-9623 > >> >>>> On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. >>> >>> My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. >>> >>> Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. >>> >>> Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com >> >> From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 10:13:41 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> Thanks everyone. I?m glad to know that we?re not alone. The carbs were rebushed by Joe Curto last winter. Running red, yellow, blue and no springs. It happened in every case, with slight differences in final height depending on spring rate. Checked for vacuum leaks: we run the graphite hi performance manifold gaskets. We did find a slight gouge in one of the rear Manifold gasket faces. Dave did some harmonic calculations, treating the manifold and carb like a recorder and found that there may be a high pressure area under the two air holes of the piston at just about 5300 rpm. That slight gouge could have been contributing to some high pressure harmonics that would make the piston drop, just like a recorder will squeak if each air hole is not closed completely. Have not been back on the dyno to check the effect since, but that supports the idea that it might be due to a vacuum leak. Cranking compression is all within 10 psi of each other. Using my last stash of 10W oil in the dampers. Could not swap carbs due to linkage issues, but we did swap pistons. No change: rear still dropped. We did see an increase of about 0.5 in air/fuel ratio when the piston dropped. That is because a fatter part of the needle closed down the fuel toroid, as it should. That change in air/fuel ratio went away when we manually held the piston open. I have to agree that it does not seem to impact power much because the peak HP on the dyno was about the same whether we held the piston open or not. Intuitively that does not make sense, but there it is..... But to return to the question, it does not seem related to the crank harmonics, I surmise after seeing all the responses. For what it?s worth, we are running a Tilton Aluminum flywheel ( I forget the Weight) with a TR6 pressure plate and three puck disc. As a left-over from ?back in the day,? I run a Corvair damper. It?s relatively massive with high inertia due to it?s diameter. It seems to work well. Have had no fretting of the nose if the crank that we?ve seen with the small dampers available in kits today, or with none at all. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > I encountered this magic move the carburetor piston many many times on the engine dyno. Could find no reason for the action and never did. It did not seem to affect the power (you'd think it would) and was not always there. My last thoughts about this wasa the cross over balance tube may have some effect. I'd stop that particular run, idle the engine a minute and start over and the event would NOT occur again. It was just plain weird to stand there watching the pistons of the S.U's and all of a sudden one of them would slowly drop down about halfway. My only suspect was harmonics. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:50 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: >> On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. >> As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. >> The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. >> The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. >> Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? >> Phil Gott >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Aug 25 11:50:26 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> References: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> Message-ID: <2135555015.5448699.1598377826174@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like the open carb is the problem, check for sticktion and spring pressure. The way the needles are designed the piston should rise slowly to its max point and stay there. the incorrect operation looks like the pistons opening to their max point instantaneously. Most race SU's function like the latter and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the AFR is appropriate at all points, where the problem lies is when you can't get from your trailer to the pit late without having to rev the Sxxx out of it, that's the classic example. On a side note a motor can only use so much air and if your carbs are larger than necessary the pistons will find the place they like to live and that's what you get. So just because the pistons are not all the way up doesn't mean they are not working properly, it just means if you want the pistons up all the way you will need more displacement, haha. Rick "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 12:14:18 PM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone.I?m glad to know that we?re not alone.?The carbs were rebushed by Joe Curto last winter. Running red, yellow, blue and no springs. It happened in every case, with slight differences in final height depending on spring rate. ? Checked for vacuum leaks: we run the graphite hi performance manifold gaskets. We did find a slight gouge in one of the rear Manifold gasket faces. Dave did some harmonic calculations, treating the manifold and carb like a recorder and found that there may be a high pressure area under the two air holes of the piston at just about 5300 rpm. That slight gouge could have been contributing to some high pressure harmonics that would make the piston drop, just like a recorder will squeak if each air hole is not closed completely. Have not been back on the dyno to check the effect since, but that supports the idea that it might be due to a vacuum leak.Cranking compression is all within 10 psi of each other.Using my last stash of 10W oil in the dampers.Could not swap carbs due to linkage issues, but we did swap pistons. No change: rear still dropped.We did see an increase of about 0.5 in air/fuel ratio when the piston dropped. That is because a fatter part of the needle closed down the fuel toroid, as it should. ?That change in air/fuel ratio went away when we manually held the piston open. I have to agree that it does not seem to impact power much because the peak HP on the dyno was about the same whether we held the piston open or not. ?Intuitively that does not make sense, but there it is.....But to return to the question, it does not seem related to the crank harmonics, I surmise after seeing all the responses.For what it?s worth, we are running a Tilton Aluminum flywheel ( I forget the Weight) with a TR6 pressure plate and three puck disc. As a left-over from ?back in the day,? I run a Corvair damper. It?s relatively massive with high inertia due to it?s diameter. It seems to work well. Have had no fretting of the nose if the crank that we?ve seen with the small dampers available in kits today, or with none at all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: ?I encountered this magic move the carburetor?piston many many times?on the engine dyno.? Could find no reason?for the action and never did.? It did not seem to affect the power (you'd think it would) and was not always there. My last thoughts about this wasa the cross over balance tube may have some effect. I'd stop that particular?run, idle the engine a minute and start over and the event would NOT occur again. It was just plain weird to stand there watching the pistons of the S.U's? ?and all of a sudden one of them would slowly drop down about halfway. My only suspect was harmonics.?? Never be beaten by equipment. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:50 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6)? pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? 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URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Tue Aug 25 11:58:41 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:58:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <037b01d67b09$5edb49c0$1c91dd40$@cox.net> Greg, I have a spare front apron you can borrow if you are anywhere near Va Beach. Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:33 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Aug 25 13:41:12 2020 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:41:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Message-ID: Phil, A few years ago we were running a 3/4 race TR-4A engine on the dyno. We ran it with H-6 carbs on a short manifold and HS-6 Carbs on a long manifold. With the H-6 carbs, the engine ran as we expected and would pull from about 2500 RPM up to about 6,500 RPM smoothly and evenly. peak power was at about 5,500 rpm. When we switched to the HS-6 carbs on the long manifold we found substantially more power and torque from 2,800 rpm on up the rev range, but at 5200 rpm the power died and the bsfc went all to hell. We determined that the fuel was foaming in the float bowls and making the fuel mixture go wild. We installed the MG_B style rubber mounts for the float bowls so that they wer flexibly mounted, not solid as with the TR-4A setup, but that did not cure the issue. We then used weber 45dcoe soft mount kits to create a rubber cushion between the carb body and the inlet manifold. That cured the problem. The power then continued smoothly past the vibration period up to 6,000 RPM where it fell off because of the cam that was in the engine. Apparently the length of the long inlet manifold amplified the vibration frequency from the engine and caused the fuel mixture in the carb bowls and jet to foam, destroying the fuel mixture. Isolating the carb from the engine vibration cured the problem. Greg Solow ------- Original Message ------- >From : Phil Gott via Fot[mailto:fot at autox.team.net] Sent : 8/25/2020 4:50:12 AM To : fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 19:35:02 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:35:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 Message-ID: Amici, There are detailed rumors floating around the Internet about a 2021 Kastner Cup event... ...big names like Kas Kastner and Joe Alexander are attached to these rumors.. ...yet no announcement via FOT? Are the rumors about a July event at Portland International Raceway true? Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone From curt.johnston at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 20:15:02 2020 From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1347804935.42300.1598494503182@connect.xfinity.com> Hi Brad, The 2021 Kastner Cup is set for Portland International Raceway with SVRA in July next year. Check out the attached Save The Date pdf. He certainly hope that Kas and Joe will be involved, but only time will tell. Joe is focused on helping Kas right now, so we are assembling a committee to coordinate the 2021 Kastner Cup. If you or others are interested please let me know, as we could certainly use the help. 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Joe is focused on helping Kas right now, so we are assembling a committee to coordinate the 2021 Kastner Cup. If you or others are interested please let me know, as we could certainly use the help. > > Curt Johnston > curt.johnston at comcast.net > 707-249-1667 > > > > On 08/26/2020 6:35 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Amici, > > > > There are detailed rumors floating around the Internet about a 2021 Kastner Cup event... > > > > ...big names like Kas Kastner and Joe Alexander are attached to these rumors.. > > > > ...yet no announcement via FOT? > > > > Are the rumors about a July event at Portland International Raceway true? > > > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/curt.johnston at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here?s a pair for sale. 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Well, there is a Morgan Plus 4, so one more Triumph engine at least. 3 Spitfires in Group 6. A pretty good size field overall...where are all the Triumphs? I'll be writing a 'View from the pits' sidebar for Victory Lane. Maybe I can sneak some Triumph angle into that... Schedule and more if you have a need: https://limerock.com/HF38ParticipantInfo#overlay-context=covidupdates?? First visit to legendary Lime Rock...should be fun! Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 15:23:08 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if they ever made a > true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never > seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to > improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the > solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic > hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop > from the factory. Just an observation.? Any comments? > > Jack > > On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot > wrote: > > > I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share > them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s > Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the > Triumph Herald. > > Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) > > I have no connection with the seller. > > ?Justin > > > > > 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... > > > https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Fri Aug 28 10:44:22 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> References: <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> Message-ID: The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963, and the GT cars in 1962, so was likely available before the TR4A. They are a rare thing, but do make the car more usable in the colder months. Here?s mine... > On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: > > ? A hardtop was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry > > On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >> >> Jack >> >> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >> >> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >> >> I have no connection with the seller. >> >> ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >> >> >> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 28, 2020, at 12:06 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963, and the GT cars in 1962, so was likely available before the TR4A. They are a rare thing, but do make the car more usable in the colder months. Here?s mine... > > > > > >>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? A hardtop was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry >> >> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >>> >>> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >>> >>> I have no connection with the seller. >>> >>> ?Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >>> >>> >>> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 12:37:58 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry.? I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on cars like yours.? I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.? The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.? I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you mentioned.? But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A. Thanks for your comments. Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the 2017 Kastner Cup.The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the center portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which is the ?Surrey Top? often referred to by enthusiasts.Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and Bob Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don?t see him very often.I?ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for 40 of those years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold the car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and later was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is now unobtanium. JVV?From: Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PMTo: FOT ; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents?This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments??Jack ?On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ??I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? ?Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) ?I have no connection with the seller. ??Justin ? 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!? The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.? It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!? Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.? It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.? Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 14:03:20 2020 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1633683003.12464.1598645000629@mail.yahoo.com> I'll bet a TR6 hardtop will fit a TR4, not sure it would look good though being angular lines instead of rounded.? Although aftermarket TR6 tops tend to be a little more rounded so might look okay on a TR4.? I've seen TR4 surrey tops on TR6's so I imagine the fit would work the other way too. Or get a GTR4 Dove with the fixed fastback roof, but maybe those are too rare to make into a racecar.? A guy in our club has had two of them so maybe they aren't that rare? Dusty On Friday, August 28, 2020, 01:44:31 PM CDT, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: Hi Jerry.? I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on cars like yours.? I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.? The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.? I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you mentioned.? But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A. Thanks for your comments. Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the 2017 Kastner Cup.The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the center portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which is the ?Surrey Top? often referred to by enthusiasts.Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and Bob Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don?t see him very often.I?ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for 40 of those years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold the car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and later was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is now unobtanium. JVV?From: Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PMTo: FOT ; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents?This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments??Jack ?On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ??I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? ?Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) ?I have no connection with the seller. ??Justin ? 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Exactly what need to inspire me during the cold winter rebuilds How can I get at least one!! Thank you Joe and Clark For making this poster happen Mike Deweerd On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > Clark Lincoln-Artist > > > > Joe Alexander > > 4505 Donald Dr > > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > > The-vintage-racer.com > > Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Exactly what need to inspire me during the cold winter rebuilds > How can I get at least one!! > Thank you Joe and Clark For making this poster happen > Mike Deweerd > > > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Clark Lincoln-Artist >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> 4505 Donald Dr >> >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> >> The-vintage-racer.com >> >> Gasketinnovations.com >> >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 14:45:37 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:45:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <352277579.11818.1598644651904@mail.yahoo.com> References: <352277579.11818.1598644651904@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!). The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was for wintertime. The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the way with the idea! Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. Great resources! Best, Terry > On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: > > ? > The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option. I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section. I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!! The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! > > > > > hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry > > On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? > > Jack > > On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > > I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. > > Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) > > I have no connection with the seller. > > ?Justin > > > > > 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... > > > https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sun Aug 30 21:44:33 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> References: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> I?ve often wondered why we don?t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage? > On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ? > I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!). > > The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was for wintertime. The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. > > They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. > > The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. > > Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the way with the idea! Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. Great resources! > > Best, Terry > >>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option. I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section. I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!! The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! >> >> >> >> >> hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry >> >> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >> >> Jack >> >> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >> >> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >> >> I have no connection with the seller. >> >> ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >> >> >> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 31 00:21:50 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:21:50 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jack, It was called a Surrey Top. The rear screen stayed on the vehicle as it was a retrofit and removal of some parts that made up the ?soft top? parts was required. You had the best of both worlds then. Fitting the ?roof? or the canvas surrey centre section. I have a genuine Steel Roof, Aluminium Roof and ?still in the triumph box? canvas surrey centre section. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Friday, 28 August 2020 7:23 AM To: FOT; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 05:26:44 2020 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> References: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <885956159.568124.1598873204562@mail.yahoo.com> I have a "street" bar underneath mine that fit with no alteration.? I did race it in a Vintage "exhibition" class at our Put In Bay Races a number of years ago before we tightened specs on that class and did meet the helmet/top of roll bar regulation.? I'm 5'9" so anyone taller probably wouldn't have met it.? To have any kind of "aerodynamic" benefit you would need the hard center section because at any track where you could manage a decent top speed the open Surrey Top would function as a superb drag parachute!!? ?I hope I didn't sound in an earlier post that I hated the Surrey Top, I really like the unique look it gives the car and its only a pain to seal up for rain in a "very British" manner!!!! On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 11:44:36 PM EDT, John Linney wrote: I?ve often wondered why we don?t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage? On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: ? I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!).? The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. ?The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. ?It was for wintertime. ?The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. ? They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. ?Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! ?Triumph led the way with the idea! ?Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. ?Great resources! Best, Terry? On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: ? The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option.? I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section.? I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!? The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.? It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!? Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.? It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.? Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know if you?d like me to walk you through it. -john > On Aug 31, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: > > ? > For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8 Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use? > Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi record then play back > Via a split screen? > > Thanks > Walter Hollowell > Albuquerque, New Mexico > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Aug 1 03:51:16 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 05:51:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. > > I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. > > I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... > Jack > > > > > > On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwestfall at ymail.com Sat Aug 1 07:59:17 2020 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Message-ID: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 08:48:06 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2052966010.134828.1596293286413@mail.yahoo.com> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical.? I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.? It didn't work!? So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Aug 1 08:51:37 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is missing... The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as robust. Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio requirements. Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their results. Worked for me, just sayin'... Henry On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Aug 1 08:57:53 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> <811924017.124995.1596290357296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1738957132.135797474.1596293873188.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> "Staking the head", as per the Kas Kastner books :I've done it on 3 cylinderheads so far. It is really straightforward and a good measure for peace of mind. If the staking is done before milling the head, the screws are nicely flush by itself . The 4 cyl TR engines are 60+ yrs old by now and more often than not, the liners are not protruding evenly and milling the block is necessary. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Phil Gott" , "Jack Wheeler" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 1 augustus 2020 15:59:17 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Best Head Gasket I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. Cheers! Russ Westfall [ https://yho.com/footer0 | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ] On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. [ https://www.cometic.com/ | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure ] [ https://www.cometic.com/ | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme PressureCometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... ] Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 09:00:16 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> The liner protrusion spec I mentioned in my previous email (.003" - .005") is right from the TR-4 Factory Workshop Manual.? Obviously, this implies use of a stock factory head gasket.? I used this same spec with the factory steel shim gaskets for 24 years in my race engines and never had a failure.? If manufacturers of other head gaskets recommend a different protrusion spec, obviously go with their recommendation. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 10:52:14 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot wrote: Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is missing... The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as robust. Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio requirements. Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their results. Worked for me, just sayin'... Henry On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Aug 1 09:18:00 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 08:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1441613553.10295780.1596230823398@mail.yahoo.com> <76055d671ba02d6c4cea0d6ab2682198@tr4racer.com> <851404249.146890.1596294016391@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <320136122.32060.1596295080863@connect.xfinity.com> I ran a steel shim gasket with copper wire ring on the head side, milled the block for truing and had .006" protrusion. >10.5:1 compression with .125" milled off the head. No problems after 19 events (at least 20 hours on track) and 5,500 miles of street driving and club tours. The stock liners were bored and honed with a torque plate in place. I had expert guidance, thanks Greg, during this, my first TR motor build. Dave H. > On 08/01/2020 8:00 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > > > The liner protrusion spec I mentioned in my previous email (.003" - .005") is right from the TR-4 Factory Workshop Manual. Obviously, this implies use of a stock factory head gasket. I used this same spec with the factory steel shim gaskets for 24 years in my race engines and never had a failure. If manufacturers of other head gaskets recommend a different protrusion spec, obviously go with their recommendation. > > Jack > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 10:52:14 AM EDT, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > Lots of information being tossed around here, I feel this comment is > missing... > > The good folks that have chimed in here have solved their issue of > getting the wet liner TR motor head gasket to seal. There are many > solutions that work, but the important thing to realize is there are > variables to each solution. It's like each head gasket has it's own > recipe for success. Choose a head gasket and follow the recipe to the > letter and your head should seal just fine. Some recipe's are easy, > others require much more diligence. The crux of the issue is setting the > liner protrusion to the right height for the gasket being used. > > Composite head gaskets will hide a multitude of sins when it comes to > liner protrusion, but may be hard to find a quality one that matches > your head, plus in theory they may not last as long and may not be as > robust. > > Solid head gaskets require very tight tolerances on liner protrusion, > are more sensitive to techniques with sealant, and in my experience can > be a real pain to get the head off! (Thanks Bill!!!) But when used > correctly should be more bombproof than composite head gaskets, and you > can order the exact thickness you desire to meet compression ratio > requirements. > > Bottom line to any new guy... Do not fall into the trap of asking 10 > people what they do, then pick and choose steps from different > solutions. If you find someone who builds reliable engines, and copy > their solution to the letter, you stand a good chance of copying their > results. > > Worked for me, just sayin'... > > Henry > > > On 2020-07-31 17:27, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > Phil, Dave, > > > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green > > TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > > > Thank you > > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Aug 1 11:46:13 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 17:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket References: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> The original cylinder sleeve?specs are for original factory?head gaskets. ?They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. ?The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. ?Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall?thickness. ?I measured this at 100 lbs torque.? Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. ? Its actually pretty simple. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Saturday, August 1, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical.? I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway.? It didn't work!? So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses.Cheers!Russ Westfall? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Michael;It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. ?If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion.If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area.The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it.Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic.? I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket.? I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1).? From day 1 it never really ran right.? I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons.? Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system.? That says bad head gasket or crack in the head.? Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket.? A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic.? I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it.? He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine.? It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses.? They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired.? I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket.? It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great.? I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem.? It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks.? By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement.? I also used that.? A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick.? Do not spray a thick coat.? Below is the link to the Cometic web site.? Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure | | | | Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... | | | Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. Thank youMichael L _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Aug 1 12:28:44 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> References: <884653365.10537877.1596303973124@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. > > Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. > > Its actually pretty simple. > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. > > Jack > > On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: > > > I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. > Cheers! > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Michael; >> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. >> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. >> The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. >> Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. >> >> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. >> >> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. >> >> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >> >> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... >> Jack >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Phil, Dave, >> >> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. >> >> Thank you >> Michael L >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Aug 1 12:43:43 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All really good advice, especially following one recipe no mixing and matching and it will work out for you. I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne type (composite) gaskets. I?ve got a race motor with 12.75 compression with about 20 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I?ve always used the Payne style gaskets. Wow now I?ve done it, I?m sure I have a motor rebuild in my near future now. Best of luck, Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. > Phil > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. >> >> Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. >> >> Its actually pretty simple. >> >> MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 >> Fax 626.628.3777 >> Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 >> T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. >> >> Jack >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall wrote: >> >> >> I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. >> Cheers! >> Russ Westfall >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> Michael; >> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. >> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. >> The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. >> Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. >>> >>> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. >>> >>> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. >>> >>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >>> >>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure >>> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Phil, Dave, >>> >>> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Michael L >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 16:08:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> John, There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. Please don?t be disappointed, John. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > deserved! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Aug 1 16:33:10 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 22:33:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EB6C3CF-A863-4C59-9DF7-4F5AAE6D4566@mhc-law.com> Greg: We do the same @ 12.1 and have not had a problem for years. Careful assembly, straight block & head & correct cyl hight with a good composite gasket works for us. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: ? All really good advice, especially following one recipe no mixing and matching and it will work out for you. I really wanted to chime in on the reliability of the Payne type (composite) gaskets. I?ve got a race motor with 12.75 compression with about 20 race weekends on it. And yes I push my motor pretty hard. I?ve always used the Payne style gaskets. Wow now I?ve done it, I?m sure I have a motor rebuild in my near future now. Best of luck, Greg Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: ?The original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good to retorque ?factory? head gaskets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001? minimal - depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque. Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top between gasket and head. Its actually pretty simple. MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion. Jack On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall > wrote: I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know?) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknesses. Cheers! Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: Michael; It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled to achieve the proper protrusion. If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this area. The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not tried all of it. Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: ? I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one. I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out. Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... Jack On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot > wrote: Phil, Dave, I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. 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URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 18:50:04 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 19:50:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports > Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive > interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by > John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but > there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited > distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sun Aug 2 19:09:43 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 18:09:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Looking forward to that article Shawn. As to the video? It?s coming! In the meantime I just uploaded the trailer to YouTube? https://youtu.be/I3t_H_ljuGE > On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p > > I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. > > SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. > > Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 05:52:03 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 06:52:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Best Head Gasket In-Reply-To: <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> References: <1817540224.8589153.1596234260481@mail.yahoo.com> <6231A622-DECB-4E1B-A9F4-D4E32C3E68E1@aol.com> Message-ID: I read a couple of people talking about milling the block deck. I have seen two blocks that were milled, one on a club member's car that had head gasket issues and another on a block I was checking to build a race engine. No doubt that both had been milled with the block flat on the milling table. With liners in place, boring plate installed, the deck surface was off by 2 thousands side to side. Not very head gasket friendly. I did some measuring and realized that the figure 8 surface was also off by the same amount. Both could have been the result of sloppy machine work but I came to the conclusion that the factory block deck and figure eight machining was done at the same time. I haven't yet decked a block but if I did I would measure the figure 8 surface relative to the deck first. YMMV. Bob Kramer On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:51 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Michael; > It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to > .007? to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the figure 8 > gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be milled > to achieve the proper protrusion. > If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider > staking the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the > Kastner book. It is weak in this area. > The rest of the advice you?ve received is pretty sound, but I have not > tried all of it. > Depending on how much you?ve milled the head and what you have done with > the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area of your > gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber. > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot > wrote: > > ? > I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. > I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head > gasket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in > the day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). From day > 1 it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into > the combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull > some coolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests > for hydrocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant > system. That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the > head magnafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket. > > I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a > local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had > never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so > surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the > internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR > engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for > different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different > thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the > thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a > little fishy, but based on the strong recommendation I had received, I > ordered one. > > I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, and > suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car > since then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree > days, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. > By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I > also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do > not spray a thick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check > it out. > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure > > Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of > motorsports markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au... > > Jack > > > > > > On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Phil, Dave, > > I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR4 > #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust. > > Thank you > Michael L > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Aug 3 07:50:04 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 09:50:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <419CB464-2C98-466D-86A9-5632CADCB3E2@me.com> wow, great trailer. Can?t wait! On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: Looking forward to that article Shawn. As to the video? It?s coming! In the meantime I just uploaded the trailer to YouTube? https://youtu.be/I3t_H_ljuGE > On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: > > I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p > > I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. > > SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. > > Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > John, > > There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. > > There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. > > I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. > > The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. > > Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. > > Please don?t be disappointed, John. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > > deserved! > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > fot-request at autox.team.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Mon Aug 3 08:59:14 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly In-Reply-To: References: <03fb01d6684e$10911650$31b342f0$@btinternet.com> <4AD91F9D-F50E-43A1-8217-2674F9B0EFB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2122806933.694568.1596466754227@mail.yahoo.com> Excellent, Shawn.? Looking forward to the article!? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank via Fot To: Joe Alexander Cc: Friends of Triumph ; John Davaies Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SpeedTour Quarterly I have an 8 page article in The Vintage Triumph Magazine with a special feature of the 2020 Champion Mike Munson, the Peggy Kastner Performance Award recipients, and every car with driver info, qualifying time, best lap, and finishing positions. Lots of photos and lots of info.p I have also written articles shared to social media. The Kastner Cup coverage I added to my Facebook page www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs has been viewed over 40,000 times and shared to over 125 different pages throughout the world. SVRA's live feed, website, and Youtube videos have been view thousands and thousands of times as well. I would venture to say that this Cup has the most exposure of all of them. We haven't even seen the Classic Motor Films cinematic masterpiece yet. Great job racers and all involved in making this Kastner Cup an epic event! A special thanks to SVRA staff and Mid-Ohio workers. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 5:09 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: John, There will be far more comprehensive reporting in Vintage Motorsports Magazine, with writing and photography by Mr. STOLER. We did some extensive interviewing with him at his request. There will also be the Motorsports Film video of the 2020 Kastner Cup by John Linney, forthcoming. I am not sure what will be in Victory Lane or Classic Motorsports, but there is likely to be something. The SVRA Quarterly is an internal organization magazine with limited distribution. I am impressed that they sent it to you. Shawn Frank may have something to say, as our crack Media Maven. Please don?t be disappointed, John. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Aug 1, 2020, at 3:53 PM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?My thanks to the SVRA for sending me a copy of "SpeedTour Quarterly", > including the report from Mid-Ohio. > > But I have to say, that one paragraph - ONE! Less than 200 words! - about > the Kastner Cup is more than disappointing! And less than the racing > deserved! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 21 July 2020 15:29 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 233 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to >? ? fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >? ? fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at >? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 14:26:06 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Photo of a 2020 Peggy Kastner Award needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1422062882.36703.1596486366747@mail.yahoo.com> Looks like they were wrapped up when I took a picture of them: Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 3, 2020, 4:13 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: As I finish off the film of this year?s Kastner Cup, I need a photo of one of this year?s Peggy Kastner Awards for the end titles sequence. If anyone who has one could shoot a picture square-on without reflections and email it to me, it would be much appreciated. A phone picture will be fine, and I can crop out any background. Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 907AB554-6225-4320-B93E-A4274728C09A.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2725944 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Aug 5 06:27:58 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:27:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Photo of a 2020 Peggy Kastner Award needed Message-ID: I will grant you this is not the best pic ever taken. But it was my best try Mike Jackson TR3 #62 Sent from EarthLink Mobile mail On 8/3/20, 4:12 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: As I finish off the film of this year?s Kastner Cup, I need a photo of one of this year?s Peggy Kastner Awards for the end titles sequence. If anyone who has one could shoot a picture square-on without reflections and email it to me, it would be much appreciated. A phone picture will be fine, and I can crop out any background. Thanks! -john John Linney classicmotorfilms at gmail.com https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 07:27:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 06:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= Message-ID: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From bownes at seiri.com Fri Aug 7 08:48:51 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:48:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= In-Reply-To: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> References: <43724C4A-6EA8-4890-B2AB-AA8830E2CC23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 09:23:56 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 11:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= In-Reply-To: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> References: <565516B5-449C-4620-9820-031EE6BEA31F@seiri.com> Message-ID: <911414B9-F289-4F7D-9F3D-9B91D91BA77B@gmail.com> Kas can recite his lap times from 1956, on street tires and remind you that he is still faster than you! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ?As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From billdentin at aol.com Fri Aug 7 11:58:51 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?S2FzIEtBU1RORVLigJlzIHNheXM6?= References: <782343163.1550229.1596823131456.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <782343163.1550229.1596823131456@mail.yahoo.com> I never claimed to be FAST.? ?I always thought of myself as "HALF FAST". Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, August 7, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Kas can recite his lap times from 1956, on street tires and remind you that he is still faster than you! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ?As Carol Smith said ?A real race car driver will race anything available?. I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell:? 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m planning on the hopped up walker. ;) > > > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 09:28, Joe Alexander via Fot > > wrote: > >> > >> ?Kas says the rest of you racers can retire if you want to, but > he says, ?....maybe, just maybe, I will always be a racer?. > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell:? 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.mercer at outlook.com Sat Aug 8 21:48:46 2020 From: rick.mercer at outlook.com (Richard Mercer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 03:48:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sad to say but I have to sell Message-ID: All, I have a 72 SpitSix with a TR-6 motor, 2 Spitfires and one complete 74 Spitfire Body with factory hard top. The 72 SpitSix runs well but the rear tub was a real hack job when it was converted. Literally from what I can tell cut the GT6 tub apart as it still has the original gas tank and gas door as well as original doors with wing windows. The cars name was Monte and can be found on the triumph experience registry. I had intended on putting a 73 rear tub which all of the body work has been completed for the most part and will make this thing awesome. I had intended to do a frame off on the SpitSix but we have decided to downsize significantly. The 73 is a rolling Chassis, tub, bonnet and all of the parts out of it. It has a motor that needs to be reworked but also overdrive tranny and all necessary parts to basically make it whole if someone wanted to. My intent was to put the complete 74 body which just needs some tlc and paint on this chassis. I have a 79 that was raced a few time in the northwest. The engine and many other parts could be a great source for to build a full Spitfire with overdrive. Just dreams... I am going to get pictures tomorrow of everything but I would like to sell all of it if possible as a package deal. Not looking for much, only like $5k for all of it. If any of you are interested please let me know. I will reply tomorrow to this string with many pictures. Richard Mercer 858-285-5673 The -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Tue Aug 11 18:41:38 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Message-ID: Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linney https://ClassicMotorFilms.com NEW RELEASE Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms Subscribe ?to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. Share Tweet Forward MORE VIDEOS Facebook Instagram YouTube Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. Our mailing address is: Classic Motor Films 13624 Westover Dr Saratoga, CA 95070-5136 Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Aug 12 07:37:10 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: <1255558718.593808.1597238573987@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1255558718.593808.1597238573987@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <310854045.598853.1597239430094@mail.yahoo.com> Nicely done! Thanks must have been a ton of work, thanks! General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge" On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 09:22:53 AM EDT, Rick Parent wrote: FYI General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge" ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: John Linney via Fot To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 08:42:10 PM EDTSubject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened.? So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linneyhttps://ClassicMotorFilms.com | | | | | | | | | NEW RELEASE | | | | | | Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. | | | | KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era.??The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars.? ? Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. ? Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened.? ? If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films.? ? https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms ? | | | | Subscribe?to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. | | | | | | | | | | Share | | | | | | | Tweet | | | | | | | Forward | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MORE VIDEOS | | | | | | | | | | | | | Facebook | | | | Instagram | | | | YouTube | | | | | | | | | | | Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. 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URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Aug 12 07:49:48 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <129979007.682869.1597240188515@mail.yahoo.com> Great job, John.? Thanks for such a great effort!-- Jay -----Original Message----- From: John Linney via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 8:41 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened.? So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms John Linneyhttps://ClassicMotorFilms.com | | | | | | | | | NEW RELEASE | | | | | | Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. | | | | KASTNER CUP 2020 THE RETURN TO MID OHIO The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era.??The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars.? ? Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. ? Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened.? ? If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. > > So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. > > If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > John Linney > https://ClassicMotorFilms.com > > > NEW RELEASE > > Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. > KASTNER CUP 2020 > THE RETURN TO MID OHIO > The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. > > The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. > > Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. > > Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. > > If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. Every little bit helps me to keep making these films. > > https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > Subscribe to the Classic Motor Films email list to learn of new releases. > Share > Tweet > Forward > MORE VIDEOS > > Facebook > > Instagram > > YouTube > Copyright ? 2020 Classic Motor Films, All rights reserved. > > Our mailing address is: > Classic Motor Films > 13624 Westover Dr > Saratoga, CA 95070-5136 > > Add us to your address book > > > Want to change how you receive these emails? > You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. > > So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. > > If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms > > John Linney > https://ClassicMotorFilms.com > > NEW RELEASE https://youtu.be/Jb8_izXOPos > Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. > KASTNER CUP 2020 > THE RETURN TO MID OHIO > The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. > > The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. > > Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. > > Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. > > If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Wed Aug 12 10:14:56 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:14:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2020 - Race Movie In-Reply-To: <976233166.500.1597248248096@connect.xfinity.com> References: <976233166.500.1597248248096@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1D6923C9-0AD3-4C88-9334-2344B5B34095@linneyweb.com> Thanks Dave. That was my 360 camera, and you?d be welcome to borrow it if you?d like to give one a try. I may feel compelled to do a movie though :). The only downside is that the files are huge and it takes some computer muscle to deal with them. I also wish the quality was better, but you always get the shot you need. Let me know. I?d love to put it to use again. -john BTW. It?s an Insta360 ONE R. > On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:04 AM, DAVE HOGYE wrote: > > ? > Thanks John. Nice production. > I'll have to ask Mike Moore about his 360 camera. It seems to make sense over having two cameras and the resolution looks excellent. > Dave H. >> On 08/11/2020 5:41 PM John Linney via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Here it is. I know many of you have been waiting for this, and thank you for your patience. It was a thrill to make this video of a spectacular race. Sixteen drivers hosted my cameras or gave me their footage. The result is a realtime account of this race from all those driver's seats of this race, exactly as it happened. >> >> So many people helped with this project, including the drivers of sixteen cars. A special shout-out to Joe Alexander, Shawn Frank, Jimmy Dolan, and of course Kas Kastner for being so generous with their time. >> >> If you enjoy this video, please subscribe to my YouTube channel and consider supporting it so that I can do more, bigger, and better projects like this. https://www.patreon.com/classicmotorfilms >> >> John Linney >> https://ClassicMotorFilms.com >> >> >> NEW RELEASE >> >> Experience the 2020 Kastner Cup race from the driver's seat. Cameras in sixteen of thirty-two cars ensure the best angles on all the action. >> KASTNER CUP 2020 >> THE RETURN TO MID OHIO >> The Kastner Cup is vintage racing at it's finest. Every year Triumph racers from across the U.S. gather to celebrate the golden age of sports car racing. Kas Kastner was instrumental to Triumph?s racing success in the ?60s, and most of these cars are from that era. >> >> The last time an All-Triumph race was run at Mid Ohio was in 2002, the year the idea of the Kastner Cup was conceived. One of the great things about this event, is that cars which would ordinarily be in separate classes, get to race together. Finishing on or near the podium is only part of winning the cup. Drivers must also pay special attention to the presentation and preparation of their cars. >> >> Like many similar events in 2020, the lock-down situation affected what was planned to be the largest ever Triumph field of racers at sixty plus entries, including five from the UK. Nonetheless, the Kastner Cup still achieved a more typical thirty-two entries from all over the United States. >> >> Sixteen cars provided on-board video for this unique look at vintage racing from the driver?s seat. Every piece of action is shown in real-time, so that we can experience the close fought racing and hard-won positions precisely as it happened. >> >> If you enjoy this video, lease consider supporting me on Patreon. 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I really enjoyed the event and maybe I need to get a camera now ! > Tim Slater > Spitfire #17 > > > > Phone: 561-820-0021 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 19:46:18 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:46:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. Message-ID: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> Anyone have a line on one? Asking for a friend. Thanks? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Aug 12 20:14:14 2020 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 21:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. In-Reply-To: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> References: <74C99FF6-2D8B-4BF7-AEF9-B4C775B24079@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D6ABE432597458E9F91AEB48D745ADB@Rocky> Not sure what a "tropical" fan is, but for my Spitfire race car I bought a plastic Corvette fan, 6 blades, cut down the blades and drilled new bolt holes. Works great. --Rocky Entriken -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Triumph Owner Looking For Tropical Fan. Like TR3A 6 Blade. Anyone have a line on one? Asking for a friend. Thanks? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From cofrog at q.com Thu Aug 13 12:26:46 2020 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings Message-ID: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Thu Aug 13 12:39:41 2020 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry Ross WPTA Membership Director FOT Member ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Aug 13 13:40:01 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> I'll discuss it. TRF was at a lot of events over the years promoting their British car parts so I consider the facts fair game. There are facts out there; let them be known. We investors were lied to about Runyan's supposed life insurance policy. It didn't exist. I'll be taking a fatty as will my cousin who also invested. Luckily we can easily weather the storm. The people who will make out no matter what are the lawyers. They will get their cut first. I will say that all the folks who work (ed) at TRF are great people, especially Uncle Dave. Never had a question he couldn't answer. Hope he's enjoying retirement. I just don't like being lied to. Getting jaded in my old age I guess. My 5 Grand worth. Stay safe everyone. This too will pass. My own personal thoughts. Bill On 8/13/2020 2:39 PM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have > suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an > FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via > Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > *To:* triumph fot ; triumph fot > *Subject:* [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The > Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.??? I > did send an email to to their??? attorney early on.??? Is this sufficient > for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:41:48 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Thu Aug 13 14:59:32 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul > On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot > wrote: > >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot > on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot >; triumph fot > >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 13 15:04:35 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:04:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> I'm still waiting for my next annual T Shirt from the Coventry Motoring and Aviation Society. mjb. From LawrenceRoss at allstate.com Thu Aug 13 15:14:54 2020 From: LawrenceRoss at allstate.com (Ross, Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 21:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <0be84b89-932d-d620-73a7-bff66c453e2d@verizon.net>, <1fccea5c-e7ed-8014-7a55-9dca5da49736@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Paul ? I don?t think that anyone is trying to ?silence? you or anyone else for that matter. Simply put, my personal opinion is that this is just not the right forum. Do you think that Albert knew that the Investment Program was underfunded? I?m guessing that he probably did not know. Did the people who invested in The Program due their ?due diligence? Probably not. Did the people who invested in The Program actually ASK to look at the amount of Life Insurance in place? Probably not. There is nothing wrong with expressing your frustrations, I see it every day via Facebook with parts suppliers (British Parts suppliers included). I agree that freedom of speech is important. However, as my mother used to say: ?Don?t air your dirty laundry in public?. Larry Ross WPTA Membership Director FOT Member Lawrence Ross Agency 67 Old Clairton Rd. Pittsburgh, PA. 15236 (412) 655-9990 - office (412) 780-8495 - cell ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 5:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [External] Re: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings I'm still waiting for my next annual T Shirt from the Coventry Motoring and Aviation Society. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.fot-racing.com__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIOjZ-Uy0$ Donate: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.team.net/donate.html__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSI0PkKDx4$ Archive: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://autox.team.net/archive__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIFgKmU7o$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSIQRtofaw$ Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lawrenceross at allstate.com__;!!IIU9BLNPZ2ob!cLzE6pKIz6almT5r-C5BPEY757M-3G63tcEArVqDoB9o38L8CLejOk7tJQSI4WcLUs0$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Clearly showed the "incident" that took Halkius out and apparently damaged the TR8 a bit-sad... > > Again congratulations to you and the team for making this happen. > > ?Clark > > From: Joe Alexander > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:47 PM > To: Clark Lincoln > Subject: Kastner Cup 2020 - The Return To Mid Ohio - YouTube > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8_izXOPos&feature=youtu.be > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:19:25 2020 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> Message-ID: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 16:35:29 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. > > like Paul stated, my two cents > > Ralph > >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >> > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:39:03 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <961860483.1434931.1597358343493@mail.yahoo.com> Just remember, before he died, we all loved Charles Runyan.? I, for one, don't need or want to hear any unfortunate news about his business skills.? He still did a lot for the sports car hobby. Jack On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:20:22 PM EDT, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 16:39:47 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, Joe. On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:36:10 PM EDT, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: ? I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. like Paul stated, my two cents Ralph On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Why is this not as good a forum as any other? ?Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. ? It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. ?Why should the people who were effected be silenced? The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. ?That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. ?One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. ?We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. ?If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. ?Pretty simple. ?But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. Freedom of speech is an important principle. Paul On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I agree, this is not the right forum. ?I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. ?Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. ? No need to post on FOT. The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. ? (I never invested.) ? ?Justin On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: Dan - I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. Just my own personal thoughts. Larry RossWPTA Membership DirectorFOT Member From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM To: triumph fot ; triumph fot Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings?I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts.? I did send an email to to their? attorney early on.? Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. Dan Forgey? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Aug 13 16:48:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:48:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2127828692.1416975.1597358387736@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agree with you Joe; I think it?s terrific that we have parts suppliers such as TRF who seek out sources of parts and or commission the production of those NLA. Understandably, and sadly, sometimes that ambition may run amuck with finances and someone or some grouo gets burned. I can only think it was done only with the best of intentions. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I agree, Joe. > >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 6:36:10 PM EDT, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. >> >> like Paul stated, my two cents >> >> Ralph >> >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. >> >> The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience >> >> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 >> >> I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot ; triumph fot >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:00:07 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <292525084.3424387.1597343206336.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> <312654F5-7F2C-4454-ACDF-033233D77691@gmail.com> <78483CB4-93D5-47A7-B2A7-CFAA019B04D7@att.net> <4497320.1292856.1597357165187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74734C2D-9199-4AF1-B482-8462C08B04ED@gmail.com> . I think it?s perfectly fine to have brought up the topic here, and have a few exchanges about it, but as an off topic turns into a more involved thread, there comes a time to think about options, like taking it private amongst those that chimed in. I provided a triumph forum link, where the topic is specifically the issue being discussed. Clearly there is a plethora of info posted there and anything an FOT member could offer there would reach a larger spectrum of Roadster Factory customers/investors then on this private group. I didn?t call for posts to stop, to be removed, or anyone to be cancelled. I just agree that the forum should try to steer itself to staying relatively on topic. Yes, we choose what we read and what we don?t, but if it didn?t matter how many subject lines we must scroll through, why not join dozens of newsgroups? Few people want to scroll through hundreds of emails to find the few they think they want to read. A few back and forths on nearly any topic should be allowed without folk crying murder, because it gives members a chance to share a topic and find members/friends that have an interest, etc. If you can?t post anything unless it?s racing specific, it stifles the social aspect of the newsgroup. ?Justin > On Aug 13, 2020, at 3:19 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > > I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. > > like Paul stated, my two cents > > Ralph > > On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > > Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? > > The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. > > Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. > > Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. > > Freedom of speech is an important principle. > > Paul > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> > > I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. > > The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience > > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 > > I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >> > > Dan - > > I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. > > I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. > > Just my own personal thoughts. > > Larry Ross > WPTA Membership Director > FOT Member > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM > To: triumph fot ; triumph fot > Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings > > I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. > > Dan Forgey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:08:25 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:08:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B1608C1-7035-4080-8B7C-94D07E0BD2CB@gmail.com> Agree TRF is trying to keep the good going. They have always been pretty good for my TR4A, TR250 parts and what they have for my several Spitfires. Parts availability the past year or two is not what it was from TRF. TRF quality is generally better than Moss, although Moss, BPNW and others do sell TRF sourced parts...it?s all a mixed bag. Check & verify what they (all of the suppliers) have and that it meets your needs/standards. I miss Uncle Dave, agree he never was unable to find an answer to questions and usually had a viable work around, if something was unavailable. Charles was dreamer and a great marketing person! He did a lot for our cars/hobby. I looked at CIP and it wasn?t for me, nor the TRF car club, nor the motoring and avaiation society. For what the investors facilitated in TRF making new parts & keeping others available - I personally thank you! Never the less, The Investors should not have found themselves in a situation where there was no life insurance policy as was stated by Charles/TRF - sad, frustrating, maddening for sure. Terry > On Aug 13, 2020, at 18:35, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?I truly wish that Albert Runyan is able to turn TRF around. I sense he is making a valiant effort. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> I agree with Paul, we are the people, at least some of them, who supported them for many years. If they did someone or many wrong its only fair that we share that info with others. Others may then make the decision to do business or not. People are being silenced every day, things are being restricted when it comes to free speech, we can not allow this forum to become that type of place. We have the right to agree or disagree with what is being stated, don't let that be taken away like so many things have been lately. Most importantly, don't turn this forum into a battleground over anything, it's here to promote our love of these cars and the people (family) that we all have because of them. >> >> like Paul stated, my two cents >> >> Ralph >> >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM CDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Why is this not as good a forum as any other? Although, we have enjoyed a good relationship with The Roadster Factory as a parts supplier. It does appear that they engaged in a business practice that hurt people financially who supported them. Why should the people who were effected be silenced? >> >> The Roadster Factory could have handled their business differently if they did not wish receive the negative press on forums. That was their choice and they have to live with the consequences of that. One of those consequences will be people expressing frustrations. >> >> Not every thread that comes through FOT is of interest to all members. We feel that is what the ?delete? key is for. If we are not interested in a topic, we delete the email. Pretty simple. But we think it is good for all to have the opportunity to express their concerns and inform others to be aware. >> >> Just my two sense, in a time when so many people are trying to silence those who do not agree with them. >> >> Freedom of speech is an important principle. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 2:41 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> I agree, this is not the right forum. I missed this story entirely, so I googled around to get up to speed a little. Here?s a great forum that looks to be active and goes back for years. No need to post on FOT. >> >> The Roadster Factory customer investment program: TR6 Tech Forum : Triumph Experience Car Forums : The Triumph Experience >> >> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr6-tech-forum.2/the-roadster-factory-customer-investment.1379428/page-83 >> >> I applied to move to PA and work for TRF back in the late 80?s, but Charles took 3 months to reply and offer me a job, and by then I had moved to another state and started a new job. (I never invested.) ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Ross, Lawrence via Fot wrote: >>> >> >> Dan - >> >> I understand that you, and a lot of other Triumph enthusiast's have suffered financially thru the Roadster Factory Investment Program. >> >> I just don't think that this something that should be discussed via an FOT email thread. >> >> Just my own personal thoughts. >> >> Larry Ross >> WPTA Membership Director >> FOT Member >> >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:26 PM >> To: triumph fot ; triumph fot >> Subject: [External] [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings >> >> I see many new filings sent directly to the court regarding The Roadster Factory court case and Runyon's Investment Program debts. I did send an email to to their attorney early on. Is this sufficient for the court to consider what I am owed. >> >> Dan Forgey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Aug 13 19:49:49 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (BILL DENTINGER) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Filings References: Message-ID: Charles and I were particularly close in the early 1980s. He was so ?preppy?. You know...sport coat in the boot because, ?you never know!? I made some catalog recommendations to him, and he put my mentor, Mike Belfer?s, picture on the back of an early one. Always had warm feelings for Charles and agree he did much for the hobby. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 11:37:38 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query References: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I know that wheels are wear items. But I have a question regarding Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. So, when in question - just toss? Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are painted and/or powder coated? Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 12:03:40 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:03:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query In-Reply-To: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> References: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I have cracked 3 sets of the 949racing wheels autoxing my MINI- I hand sanded thru the paint at the suspected crack and used a dye penetrant test on them to verify what I could see with my naked eye. After that, I went to a slightly heavier wheel. No cracks to report.... Real Panasports are real $$, might be worth at least checking one. In semi related news, I just ordered a pair of the VTO 8 spoke wheels made to a non-standard offset to try on my GT6. Ordered thru the website- super easy. They had them machined and shipped out in less than 1 week. So far a great experience. Jason On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > I know that wheels are wear items. But I have a question regarding > Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports > are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I > have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a > crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's > headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. > > So, when in question - just toss? > > Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are > painted and/or powder coated? > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 14 15:25:55 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query In-Reply-To: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> References: <72099641.1580355.1597426658162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <72099641.1580355.1597426658162@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <274202617.1666057.1597440355690@mail.yahoo.com> Dye penetrant or even better Zyglo. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 1:37 pm Subject: [Fot] Wheel Query Hi, I know that wheels are wear items. But I have a question regarding Panasport wheels that perhaps translates to others. The 8-spoke Panasports are painted. And that means you'll get various marks and dings over time. I have one rim that has a blemish that looks like it could be the start of a crack, but to die-test, I'd have to sand-blast the area clean and that's headed down a path I'd rather not take right now. So, when in question - just toss? Anyone care to share stories of crack testing aluminum rims that are painted and/or powder coated? Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 17:48:26 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Aug 14 19:07:49 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> Any chance a broken valve spring destroyed a bronze guide? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 19:16:29 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 21:16:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Valve spring shims? Chuck > On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:55 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 19:44:41 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:44:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> Crank timing gear shim? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Aug 14 19:49:29 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:49:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> <01646FE1-18A8-4569-9ED5-5F8E2E79539E@me.com> Message-ID: <8748A829-E496-4955-BEAF-911ECDFE2B34@comcast.net> Distributor gear bushing? Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > Any chance a broken valve spring destroyed a bronze guide? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Aug 14 20:38:35 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 02:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. References: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> Thats a lot of material. ?Magnetic? Cam bearing?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, August 14, 2020,?David Gott via Fot??wrote: So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Fri Aug 14 21:20:54 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2147401240.2330250.1597459115995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I know you said you can?t find any play but I?d suggest a full tear down. That amount of metal is not good. This is just what you are seeing in the pan, think of what got circulated through the motor. Pull your bearings. My guess is they are gone. I saw this in a cut oil filter once and the rod bearings were shot. Actually crank was cracked in a couple locations too. Hopefully in your case just hammered bearings. My guess is your oil filter and cooler are full If this too. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Thats a lot of material. Magnetic? Cam bearing? > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Friday, August 14, 2020, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Aug 14 21:23:20 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 03:23:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com>, <4617568C-007A-4357-BF3F-9B3372AD13A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DFA516-4675-4219-ABAB-CD7063E02F0D@mhc-law.com> Something bad! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:47 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Crank timing gear shim? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? 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URL: From rbtr3a at cox.net Fri Aug 14 21:56:17 2020 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 23:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF Message-ID: I?m Very aware many had lost significant invest thru Charles Runyan?s failure to disclose the the fact that the investment I we're not secured thru a supposed life insurance policy. In personally do not believe he had Malice as his intent, I believe he though he could eventually pay everyone back. I personally don?t know anyone who hadn?t received some investment payment return. I?m not saying there weren?t, I just don?t know of anyone. Prior to his death everyone thought highly of him. I Also do not believe that Albert was copious in Charles intent. He has a enormous amount of weight on his shoulders in trying to keep the TRF upright, he also has the well-being and financial future of all his employees to be concerned with. Regardless of your opinion of Charles, he was responsible for many obsolete parts being remanufactured, he also helped in advancing the supply chain of our beloved hobby. Many of you know I just finished restoring a TR6 in honor of my brother. Albert personally handled every single transaction regarding my car. To me now is the time to support him and the TRF. We can?t afford to lose this valuable resource. There isn?t another vendor who supports our hobby as the they do. I?ve hosted several VTR regional and National conventions, the TRF was always willing to support the event either thru sponsorship or donations , and they were willing come and set up their store making parts available on site. No other vendor was willing to come and do this. I will, and intend to continue to purchase from them and I will be supporting them now more than ever. Can I purchase parts cheaper? probably. Am I willing to wait for backorders even though the same part is available from another vendor? Yes. 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Could a DPO have had a bearing meltdown and never properly cleaned out the sump?? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 August 2020 03:39 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 254 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Aug 15 02:04:36 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 09:04:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 253 Wheel query Message-ID: <8cb001d672da$b7cb4f80$2761ee80$@btinternet.com> Ultrasonic testing of railway wheels is commonplace (ever since the wheelman walked along the train tapping them with his hammer!) This company in the UK uses ultrasound to test race components - I'm sure somewhere in the US will do the same. https://www.resolutionndt.uk/services/automotive -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 August 2020 00:49 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 253 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Aug 15 04:35:57 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> Bearing... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: David Gott via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1423.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2848398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 13:24:53 2020 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You are not alone in your position. Bruce Stutzman On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:57 PM Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: > > I?m Very aware many had lost significant invest thru Charles Runyan?s > failure to disclose the the fact that the investment I we're not secured > thru a supposed life insurance policy. In personally do not believe he had > Malice as his intent, I believe he though he could eventually pay everyone > back. I personally don?t know anyone who hadn?t received some investment > payment return. I?m not saying there weren?t, I just don?t know of > anyone. Prior to his death everyone thought highly of him. > > I Also do not believe that Albert was copious in Charles intent. He has a > enormous amount of weight on his shoulders in trying to keep the TRF > upright, he also has the well-being and financial future of all his > employees to be concerned with. > > Regardless of your opinion of Charles, he was responsible for many > obsolete parts being remanufactured, he also helped in advancing the supply > chain of our beloved hobby. > > Many of you know I just finished restoring a TR6 in honor of my brother. > Albert personally handled every single transaction regarding my car. To me > now is the time to support him and the TRF. We can?t afford to lose this > valuable resource. There isn?t another vendor who supports our hobby as the > they do. I?ve hosted several VTR regional and National conventions, the TRF > was always willing to support the event either thru sponsorship or > donations , and they were willing come and set up their store making parts > available on site. 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URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 18:57:45 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 00:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> References: <595417384.1713449.1597448906040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <595417384.1713449.1597448906040@mail.yahoo.com> <2031917203.1786643.1597487758363@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for all the responses! ? Here are the results.....but first, have you all seen Ford vs Ferrari? ? Remember the scene where Carrol throws a nut under the Ferrari in the pits, and it is later discovered by the crew, and they all freak out? ? Yes, this appears to be that.? Tore down the engine and there is nothing currently in the engine that this came from; we inspected every moving part. ? So must have been hiding somewhere in the block from before... or one of you put something in there when I wasn?t looking at the Kastner cup! ? Haha. Realistically something must have been lodged somewhere; although I?ve had the pan dropped several times since taking custody of the car and never found anything odd. ? Maybe this was a copper washer that I lost at some point! One item we did find, however, which was good to find, is that cylinder one small end on the connecting rod wasn?t reamed correctly and was hanging up in the wrist pin a bit. ? This is the only part (wrist pins and small end bushes)?I haven?t addressed in the engine, so off to the machine shop it goes for a new small end bush to be put in. ?However, no appreciable material was worn from the bushing, and certainly not that amount of material! ? So a worthwhile project, but I?ll have to miss the night race at Thompson I was planning for this coming Saturday, I think. ? It?s the price I pay for doing what I can, when I can! ?But what fun would it be if there wasn?t anything to do?? Fun fact: Joe Gibbs Driven XP3 oil seems to be a solvent for Permatex Aviation gasket cement. ? The felts in the rear main cap were washed clean, resulting in an oil leak which launched this process in the first place. Take care, and thank you all for the input on and off list!! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 6:38 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: Bearing... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: David Gott via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. ? Engine is out. ? It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. ?It is not from the timing chain tensioner. ?Center Main bearing looks great. ? Any ideas? ? These are large copper colored?shards, pic below. ?Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. ? Maine and?Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. ?No sign of coating on these shards. ? Anyone have a best guess? ? Can?t find any play anywhere... Thanks! Dave Gott62 TR4 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > Can I get a second? > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfcc at hotmail.co.uk Sun Aug 16 01:42:32 2020 From: bfcc at hotmail.co.uk (John) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:42:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll second Curt.... just so long as I can have a go in his cars next time I'm over! John C. www.triumphdvd.co.uk Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:52:17 -0500 From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph , curt.johnston at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! Can I get a second? Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Aug 16 04:52:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. In-Reply-To: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1431423855.1943656.1597539466217@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10FD47CC-9E29-4F78-AB3C-AEF6F4098579@aol.com> BTW, As someone asked: the pile of metal is completely non-magnetic. Still a mystery as to what it is and where it came from and how it got into the ground up and hammered condition it is without going through any of the engine bearings, all of which looked scarcely worn, no scores.. Would be good to know. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 9:05 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? Thank you all for all the responses! Here are the results... > ..but first, have you all seen Ford vs Ferrari? Remember the scene where Carrol throws a nut under the Ferrari in the pits, and it is later discovered by the crew, and they all freak out? Yes, this appears to be that. > > Tore down the engine and there is nothing currently in the engine that this came from; we inspected every moving part. So must have been hiding somewhere in the block from before... or one of you put something in there when I wasn?t looking at the Kastner cup! Haha. Realistically something must have been lodged somewhere; although I?ve had the pan dropped several times since taking custody of the car and never found anything odd. Maybe this was a copper washer that I lost at some point! > > One item we did find, however, which was good to find, is that cylinder one small end on the connecting rod wasn?t reamed correctly and was hanging up in the wrist pin a bit. This is the only part (wrist pins and small end bushes) I haven?t addressed in the engine, so off to the machine shop it goes for a new small end bush to be put in. However, no appreciable material was worn from the bushing, and certainly not that amount of material! So a worthwhile project, but I?ll have to miss the night race at Thompson I was planning for this coming Saturday, I think. It?s the price I pay for doing what I can, when I can! But what fun would it be if there wasn?t anything to do?? > > Fun fact: Joe Gibbs Driven XP3 oil seems to be a solvent for Permatex Aviation gasket cement. The felts in the rear main cap were washed clean, resulting in an oil leak which launched this process in the first place. > > Take care, and thank you all for the input on and off list!! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 6:38 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Bearing... > > Glen Efinger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Gott via Fot > To: FOT List > Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 7:48 pm > Subject: [Fot] Oddity found in TR4 oil pan. > > > So this was in the bottom of my oil pan. Engine is out. It is not Thrust washers, and no rod bearings seem to have any excessive play. It is not from the timing chain tensioner. Center Main bearing looks great. Any ideas? These are large copper colored shards, pic below. Appears to have some steel on them too, maybe. Maine and Rod bearings are the king Tri-Metal and were calico coated. No sign of coating on these shards. Anyone have a best guess? Can?t find any play anywhere... > > Thanks! > > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:42 AM, John via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll second Curt.... just so long as I can have a go in his cars next time I'm over! > > John C. > www.triumphdvd.co.uk > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:52:17 -0500 > From: Shawn Frank > To: Friends of Triumph , curt.johnston at comcast.net > Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. > > He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He > would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > Can I get a second? > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 16 06:18:05 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination References: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$.ref@rogers.com> Message-ID: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> Regarding the nomination of Curt Johnston, he was already a member. Paul From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: March 9, 2018 10:28 AM To: Fot (fot at autox.team.net) Cc: Curt & Debbie Johnston Subject: Wedge Nomination I would like to nominate Curt Johnston for membership. Curt is a long time Triumph owner, lives in the San Francisco area and has found A Huffaker TR8 convertible that is now being restored at the Huffaker garages. Here are a few words from Curt. People will be interested to learn that we will have both No. 11 cars driven by Lee Mueller at Monterey Car Week in August later this year (Carmel By The Sea Concours on the Avenue). These are the black TR7 and 8 convertibles. Lee also drove the silver TR7. In 2019, both cars should be at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion. I wanted to wait a year on the historic races, so I could get enough experience to drive it myself. Its going to be really cool to see a couple of wedges at these events, and hopefully folks outside the wedge community will understand why we like these cars so much Pictures of his car are here https://www.flickr.com/photos/162456495 at N07/ He has mentioned that he would like to race at a future Kastner cup event. Can I get a second for Curt? Thanks Paul MacDonald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 06:38:46 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:38:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> References: <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$.ref@rogers.com> <01c001d673c7$4bba6040$e32f20c0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul. I wanted to make sure. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 7:18 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot wrote: > Regarding the nomination of Curt Johnston, he was already a member. > > > > Paul > > > > *From:* Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > *Sent:* March 9, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Fot (fot at autox.team.net) > *Cc:* Curt & Debbie Johnston > *Subject:* Wedge Nomination > > > > I would like to nominate Curt Johnston for membership. Curt is a long time > Triumph owner, lives in the San Francisco area and has found A Huffaker TR8 > convertible that is now being restored at the Huffaker garages. Here are a > few words from Curt. > > > > People will be interested to learn that we will have both No. 11 cars > driven by Lee Mueller at Monterey Car Week in August later this year > (Carmel By The Sea Concours on the Avenue). These are the black TR7 and 8 > convertibles. Lee also drove the silver TR7. In 2019, both cars should be > at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion. I wanted to wait a year on the > historic races, so I could get enough experience to drive it myself. Its > going to be really cool to see a couple of wedges at these events, and > hopefully folks outside the wedge community will understand why we like > these cars so much > > > > Pictures of his car are here > > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/162456495 at N07/ > > > > > He has mentioned that he would like to race at a future Kastner cup event. > > > > Can I get a second for Curt? > > > > Thanks > > > > Paul MacDonald > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From curt.johnston at comcast.net Sat Aug 15 21:54:57 2020 From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 20:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1015700854.1939372.1597539625457@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1087808639.18522.1597550097794@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks Shawn, David and Bill for the nomination. I wanted to give you a bit of background. Back in the early-mid 1970's my Dad owned a Triumph TR3A that was my daily driver in High School. The first car I purchased was a TR4 during my senior year in High School. I rebuilt the TR4 engine and kept it in good condition. The year I graduated from College, the convertible TR8 came out. As a young Triumph fan, I liked the look of the convertible and the Rover V8 in particular. But I fully understand why so many folks prefer the TR2-6 cars. Since I've driven a TR3 and TR4 daily, I know they are fantastic cars, but you always want what you couldn't get back in the day. I've owned wedges since the early 1990s and have four now; a fully restored 1980 TR8, a 1981 TR8 project car for my wife Debbie, and the two Huffaker wedges. I own the race cars because a good friend of mine owns one of the original Factory Works Triumph TR7 V8 rally cars. In 2016, I hung out with him at the Sonoma Raceway Kastner Cup. By the end of the weekend I knew I had to join the fun. I researched which Triumph model to buy or build, but I just couldn't get the Huffaker wedges out of my head. I wanted a convertible race car, and t he Huffaker shop at Sonoma Raceway was just 35 minutes from my home. I talked to Joe Huffaker and he gave me a tip about one of the original TR8 convertibles. It took about three months to find the car in a barn in Oregon. That was in 2017. Joe tried to convince me to buy the Huffaker TR7 before I found the TR8, but I really wanted the V8. After I started restoration on 8, I ended up getting the 7 as well. It was a just a rolling chassis at the time. In 2019, the restorations were completed and we wanted to participate in the Kastner Cup at Buttonwillow. I guess I've always appreciated the history or story behind the cars, so my goal was to recreate the 1980 west coast Triumph factory sponsored SCCA race team. I got to know John Mueller and invited him to drive the TR7. John is the son of Lee Mueller, the original driver of both Huffaker No. 11 wedges. Since I hadn't driven in a vintage race, Joe Huffaker was to drive the TR8. Many of you may know how that turned out. But my goal of course was to drive the cars myself. So the 2020 Kastner Cup was my first shot, and it turned out about as well as one might expect. With that said, I really want to make sure that we preserve the history and heritage of Triumph race cars. The Kastner Cup is absolutely critical. So I've offered to help out in any way I can. I am so thankful to Kas and Joe Alexander for doing all of the heavy lifting to start and keep the Kastner Cup rolling for the past 17 years. Its a fantastic tribute to the Triumph brand and Kas Kastner. Thanks for the time, and your nomination to FOT. Curt Johnston > On 08/15/2020 6:39 PM BILL DENTINGER wrote: > > > I?ll second that as well. > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Aug 15, 2020, at 6:05 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I?ll second for Curt! > > > > Dave Gott > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 8:52 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > Is Curt Johnston FOT yet? If not, I would like to nominate him. > > > > > > He is the custodian of the Huffaker wedges and a true Triumph lover. He would be a great addition to the Friends of Triumph! > > > > > > Can I get a second? > > > > > > Shawn Frank > > > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > > > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > > > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > > > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > > > Iowa British Car Club > > > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > > > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > > > 515-339-4228 > > > > > > > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > > > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > > > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Aug 16 07:19:44 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (BILL DENTINGER) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:19:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination References: Message-ID: WOW! Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 8:54 PM, Curt Johnston wrote: > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 16 09:25:43 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination In-Reply-To: <1087808639.18522.1597550097794@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1015700854.1939372.1597539625457@mail.yahoo.com> <1087808639.18522.1597550097794@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <01dd01d673e1$822b4d00$8681e700$@rogers.com> Curt Sounds like a perfect fit, you have some strong Triumph DNA going on there! Paul From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Johnston via Fot Sent: August 15, 2020 11:55 PM To: BILL DENTINGER; David Gott Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Curt Johnston nomination Thanks Shawn, David and Bill for the nomination. With that said, I really want to make sure that we preserve the history and heritage of Triumph race cars. The Kastner Cup is absolutely critical. So I've offered to help out in any way I can. I am so thankful to Kas and Joe Alexander for doing all of the heavy lifting to start and keep the Kastner Cup rolling for the past 17 years. Its a fantastic tribute to the Triumph brand and Kas Kastner. Thanks for the time, and your nomination to FOT. Curt Johnston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone have one straight clip they would sell or exchange for a 90 degree clip? > > lemme no > Nick in NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Mon Aug 17 16:28:18 2020 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair Message-ID: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> Looking for a friend that has a TR3 customer wanting wire wheel spoke replacement/truing/balancing. Prefer Wisconsin/Midwest location. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks, Dave Kettler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 17 16:49:52 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:49:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair In-Reply-To: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> References: <058601d674e5$b540e470$1fc2ad50$@charter.net> Message-ID: If I needed this work done, I'd take it over to Motion Products, in Neenah WI. http://mpi-ferrari.com/ They do a lot of high-end Ferrari work, but they were also very accommodating in getting my Spitfire in for some dyno testing on their chassis dyno. Good people. Nice work. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of David Kettler via Fot Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:28 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Wire wheel repair Looking for a friend that has a TR3 customer wanting wire wheel spoke replacement/truing/balancing. Prefer Wisconsin/Midwest location. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks, Dave Kettler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 18 21:16:27 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:16:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race videos Message-ID: <5885b373-446e-608f-c3d3-88e8e7c1efef@tonydrews.com> Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race.? 4 more to come as I put the videos together.? Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim Covert and Scott Fohrman.? My worst finish of the weekend too. https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg Cheers, Tony Drews From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 07:51:05 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! Feel free to respond off list. Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My worst finish of the weekend too. https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 08:59:34 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise Message-ID: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Aug 19 09:05:56 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both. "Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the consequences" On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:36 AM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! Feel free to respond off list. Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:27:11 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:27:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <978e9ca9-087a-119e-76cb-c4337b61cc84@gmail.com> On 8/19/20 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with > Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention > the choke tubes for the setups. I have a Weber web page for the TR 2-A engines. While it doesn't go into the 6, it does describe what you are looking for when tuning the carbs and what the individual bits do. It might be of some help. You really want an O2 sensor to get closer than ballpark. http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm You will also want t read over Shane's TR6 Weber web page http://triumph.hottr6.com/tr6weber.html TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 09:38:36 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards,Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All.? I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..?It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). ? Stock 3.27:1 rear end.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Any thoughts ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks Pat_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:42:08 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:42:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1DB0DCA1-DF32-4FD3-8BA0-83BF396CAED3@gmail.com> The whining I hear in the Spitfire is usually about my lap times... :-) Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). 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URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Wed Aug 19 09:45:11 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:45:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: most likely the pinion has lost its preload and it is moving in and out along the face of the ring gear...ie changing the pattern and causing a whine. Sometimes the carrier bearings will wear and cause a pattern shift, but usually a growling from the bearings accompanies the whine Chip Collingwood theukmotorsports.com (804) 564-1839 On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in > premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the > diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from > something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find > out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage > to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There > is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Aug 19 09:48:15 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> Pat;If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. ?That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. ?Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards,Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All.? I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..?It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). ? Stock 3.27:1 rear end.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Any thoughts ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 09:52:26 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 11:26:12 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:26:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race videos In-Reply-To: <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike Deweerd was not there.? There were 4 Triumphs that I know of - me, Michael Moore, Russ Westfall (just ran Saturday) and Pete Passon in spitfire who didn't seem to make it through the weekend. Cheers, Tony On 8/19/2020 9:01 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike Moore? ?I thought Mike Deweerd. ?Was Deweerd there? > > Bill > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On?Tuesday, August 18, 2020,?Tony Drews via > Fot??wrote: > > Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race.? 4 more to come as I put the > videos > together.? Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim Covert and Scott > Fohrman.? My > worst finish of the weekend too. > > https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:29:38 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race videos In-Reply-To: References: <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1809699194.4353130.1597845688797@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m Not able to cross the border yet So racing this year has been cancelled for me Hoping to see everyone next year ! Cheers Mike Deweerd On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:26 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Deweerd was not there. There were 4 Triumphs that I know of > > - me, Michael Moore, Russ Westfall (just ran Saturday) and Pete > > Passon in spitfire who didn't seem to make it through the weekend. > > > Cheers, Tony > > > > > On 8/19/2020 9:01 AM, Bill Dentinger > > via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mike Moore? I thought Mike Deweerd. Was Deweerd there? > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > Sent > > from AOL Mobile Mail > > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 18, > > 2020, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here's Saturday's 1st (of 3) race. 4 more to > > come as I put the videos > > > > > together. Great dice with Mike Moore, Tim > > Covert and Scott Fohrman. My > > > > > worst finish of the weekend too. > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/whPgYzgPVNg > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:47:34 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough > to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: > > Pat; > If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one > of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is > from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car > side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and > hence the level of whine. > > But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier > should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the > bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) > with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) > > Hopefully it's just a bearing, > > Phil Gott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise > > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in > premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the > diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from > something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find > out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage > to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There > is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 11:51:38 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Wed Aug 19 11:58:10 2020 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:58:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cw&p ratio 4.875 Message-ID: Hi folks Anyone help me out with a 4.875:1 cw&p ? I?d like to run one again, or the higher 5.05 from the dumper truck. Anyone got one lying around ? Regards Tony Sent from my iPad From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Aug 19 12:00:48 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:00:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> , <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> Message-ID: <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn > wrote: Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: Pat; If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) Hopefully it's just a bearing, Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". Regards, Bob Lang On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: Hi All. I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. Any thoughts ? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:02:16 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:02:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> Message-ID: Yah I know about the "ignore it approach". Thats the reason I have this differential in the car. The last one blew up and this one I got from Scott B. Put it in without checking it out and now here we are again.. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 12:51 PM Scott Janzen wrote: > well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Aug 19 12:03:10 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:03:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> Message-ID: <18cdc61e-a4e4-6b80-1240-99fb7009f83f@dfn.com> On 8/19/2020 11:47 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > ?? I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > Unfortunately, diff noises are like gangrene.? They can only get worse without treatment. I knew a guy in Michigan with an old Datsun pickup.? It had developed a serious whine in the rear end, but he remained oblivious and kept pushing it hard.? Eventually, the whine became so loud that it could be heard a half-mile away. Then, one day, as he was driving away from my house, the rear end screaming, there was loud snap, the wheel and axle sailed away from the truck doing a very energetic whirling dervish dance in the air, bounced on the ground a couple of times and disappeared into a sorghum field. And the noise stopped. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From sjanzen at me.com Wed Aug 19 12:10:38 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> References: <408779599.3310024.1597851516171@mail.yahoo.com> <1410854611.3315779.1597852096001@mail.yahoo.com> <839BA7B4-0937-4FBA-83D7-53AAEFCF2503@me.com> <28F3BEB7-32C2-4E57-89A2-74DBD75D59D1@me.com> <902FD7D3-E60A-4818-BA08-83FCFA11CCF8@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we called them. On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn > wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen > wrote: > You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot > wrote: > > Pat; > If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. > > But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) > > Hopefully it's just a bearing, > > Phil Gott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang via Fot > > To: FOT list >; McKearn McKearn > > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise > > CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. > > Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. > > And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot > wrote: > > > Hi All. > I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. > It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. > Any thoughts ? > Thanks Pat > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 19 14:08:05 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:08:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/19/20 9:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. As I often quip, the main advantage of Webers is they are infinitely adjustable.? The main disadvantage of Webers is they are infinitely adjustable. Not sure why you want to go to the bigger chokes, but yes, you will most likely need to rejet.? The basic rule of thumb is the mains are 4 times the choke size.? So 30mm chokes = 120 mains. While I have messed about with Webers on Spits, even a Datsun 620 pickup, I've never had a Triumph six with them.? So I can't just reach back in my memory and give any exact advice. Good luck with getting a new configuration dialed in. mjb. From fmccjr at aol.com Wed Aug 19 14:40:23 2020 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> Message-ID: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Are your kids in the back? > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we called them. > >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: >> >> Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current model back then! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> >> ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the question! >> Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: >> >> Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) >> I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. >> P.J. >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: >>> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Pat; >>> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine. >>> >>> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >>> >>> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >>> >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Lang via Fot >>> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >>> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >>> >>> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >>> >>> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >>> >>> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bob Lang >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi All. >>> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >>> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >>> Any thoughts ? >>> Thanks Pat >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 14:55:46 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:55:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44EE58EB-C21F-44EC-8A8E-3DAE39E1091A@yahoo.com> Here?s my starting jets for hot street TR6 settings: Choke 30 Main 125 Air 190 Emulsion f16 Idle f9/45 or 50 These should get you in the ballpark but every build is slightly different Losing my own settings here in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke tubes for the setups. > > I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. > > So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). > > If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! > > Feel free to respond off list. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwestfall at ymail.com Wed Aug 19 15:25:31 2020 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> AmiciI am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications?Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:40:11 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:40:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Message-ID: When your diff goes, this can happen. And I agree with Michael P, it gets very quiet very quickly, (after the impact). mike h [image: P1010697.JPG] On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:41 PM Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: > Are your kids in the back? > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we > called them. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current > model back then! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: P1010697.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2397822 bytes Desc: not available URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Aug 19 15:41:31 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <13491820.57684118.1597873172123.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <13491820.57684118.1597873172123.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1021138771.57690399.1597873291389.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:39:32 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil I believe most Triumph owners agree that engine oil can safely be used in the gearbox wether or not it has an overdrive. For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50. There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?) Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:25:31 Onderwerp: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Amici I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? Russ Westfall [ https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 15:42:51 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:42:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. Slippin around in NorCal Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Wed Aug 19 16:07:31 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:07:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MTL or MT-90, trans will last longer between rebuilds and shift better. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:47 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 > Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on > the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels > for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. > SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. > > Slippin around in NorCal > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot > wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions > on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on > what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 16:45:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D55CC98-9DAC-4B29-8B87-075E251F9D36@gmail.com> Running Redline MT-90 GL-4 in the Spitfire with overdrive. The car was fitted with a transmission cooler driven by a fuel pump. 70?s engineering at its finest! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot wrote: > > ? > MTL or MT-90, trans will last longer between rebuilds and shift better. > >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:47 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 >> Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. >> SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. >> >> Slippin around in NorCal >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >>>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? Amici >>> I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? >>> Russ Westfall >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Wed Aug 19 17:06:23 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Redline MTL-90. Great stuff. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:13:28 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cw&p ratio 4.875 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <527C0C02-5400-472F-82B6-F9C09A36AE93@gmail.com> I have one. I?m in in Texas Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi folks > > Anyone help me out with a 4.875:1 cw&p ? I?d like to run one again, or the higher 5.05 from the dumper truck. Anyone got one lying around ? > > Regards > > Tony > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Aug 19 20:18:33 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> We use Redline...no problems Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: ? The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. Slippin around in NorCal Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot wrote: ? Amici I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications? Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 21:54:05 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:54:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Message-ID: Another Grattan video.? Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.? 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Thu Aug 20 02:30:57 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:30:57 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 262 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <039501d676cc$3a701c00$af505400$@btinternet.com> See Canley Classics Archive page on "Rear End Noises": https://www.canleyclassics.com/?archive=rear-end-noises This is a relic of the Wisdom of John Kipping, and as such may be considered as having been handed down like tablets of stone. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 19 August 2020 22:40 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 262 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 06:20:14 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:20:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was a great race Tony thanks for posting these videos, Great track and great weather make a great weekend Of racing Mike On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 07:03:51 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:03:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 07:11:40 2020 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:11:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <5EB003DD-A093-4D4A-B6D1-27C2C97BE330@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Been using 30w non detergent forever. Bruce On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:19 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > We use Redline...no problems > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > ? The Duke of oil loves his Redline mt-90 > Back when Tim Kerrigan started out, Hardy and I both did some research on > the early oil mix. Tim gave us additives to modify the gear oil ep levels > for use in overdrive boxes. That oil became mt-90. > SO...I heartily recommend Redline MT-90. > > Slippin around in NorCal > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Russell Westfall via Fot > wrote: > > ? Amici > I am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions > on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on > what works best in racing applications? > Russ Westfall > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 07:25:44 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:25:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 07:54:12 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:54:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight > corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than > a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Kas Kastner > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > *An:* MadMarx > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. > EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the > engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think > the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a > corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start > with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they > were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 > Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The engine is 87mm as per FIA regulations, It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in the UK using all the best bits from Kas?s knowledge... Kind regards, Keith > On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. > We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol > Mike > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Kas Kastner > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > An: MadMarx > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > Mike Deweerd > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mckearn2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 08:22:21 2020 From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:22:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dif. noise In-Reply-To: <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> References: <3A5495D6-D4D7-43B7-8480-9DFF9CC655E7@me.com> <88B14610-C1C7-4736-B51D-FEA25B190A2A@aol.com> Message-ID: My Kids won't fit in the back. The youngest one is 29 and weighs about 230 Lbs. I think I might have a wheel rubbing issue with him back there.. P.J. On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:40 PM Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: > Are your kids in the back? > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ?ouch. Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much. Beaters, we > called them. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current > model back then! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > ? well, there is the "ignore it" approach. If you have a spare diff or > three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that > point a rebuild is probably out of the question! > Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to > drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as long > as it started. Of course, that?s because I was preserving my sports car in > the garage. > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :) > I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping > someone would humor me into not worrying about it .. > P.J. > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen wrote: > >> You can?t really ?pull the cover? on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it?s easy >> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. >> >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Pat; >> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one >> of the differential carrier bearings. That is, if you are certain it is >> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car >> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading and >> hence the level of whine. >> >> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier >> should be pulled and a visual inspection made. Look for pitting on the >> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) >> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint) >> >> Hopefully it's just a bearing, >> >> Phil Gott >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lang via Fot >> To: FOT list ; McKearn McKearn >> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise >> >> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. >> >> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in >> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the >> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from >> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find >> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage >> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything. >> >> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low". >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All. >> I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6.. >> It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There >> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). Stock 3.27:1 rear end. >> Any thoughts ? >> Thanks Pat >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mckearn2 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 08:22:05 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:22:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <60045AFF-8461-4832-9DC7-F57A90668743@btinternet.com> References: <60045AFF-8461-4832-9DC7-F57A90668743@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes, using California Air. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > ?So, my dyno might be optimistic but it is 206bhp at 6511 rpm... > > The engine is 87mm as per FIA regulations, > > It is a very strong engine built by TR Enterprises here in the UK using all the best bits from Kas?s knowledge... > > Kind regards, > > Keith > >> On 20 Aug 2020, at 16:54, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. >> We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol >> Mike >> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: >>> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. >>> >>> But Triumphs do better from my experience. >>> >>> My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Von: Kas Kastner >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 >>> An: MadMarx >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >>> >>> >>> >>> I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. >>> >>> Never be beaten by equipment. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Very well driven. >>> >>> >>> >>> Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? >>> >>> Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> What power do they make? >>> >>> Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB >>> >>> and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, Tony Drews >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mike Deweerd >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.? 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 10:19:57 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Rajah Clips In-Reply-To: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1119937810.2792712.1597604310079@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1430971079.5026114.1597940397233@mail.yahoo.com> GuysI don't know why this appeared again...electron majic? You lads are way better googleirs than myself. Thanks for finding all the sources for Rajah clips that allow the purchase of not only the style I need, but in small quantities.Special thanks to the fellows who offered to send me a clip, but at this time I'm gonna?drop the "big" dollars (like $2) on a coupla new units. The intelligence of the collective Borg is impressive. "They don't call me sparky for nothin"...RajahNick in NorCal On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:10 PM PDT, Nick Black wrote: OK guys...mister fat-fingers here... I managed to break one of the Rajah clips that I use on the Duke's plug wires. Looks like they are gettin a bit scarce on the ground, but still available in whole motor sets (8). Does anyone have one straight clip they would sell or exchange for a 90 degree clip? lemme noNick in NorCal_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 11:18:29 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:18:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01d67715$ec4fa730$c4eef590$@gmail.com> Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Aug 20 11:20:57 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:20:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' ; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' Cc: 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The sulfur content of modern fuels is very low and it isn't harmful to Nikasil anymore. However, car manufacturers have changed to other production processes to reduce ring/liner friction, because of these problems but also because Nikasil is expensive for massproduction. Marcel Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:41:31 Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:39:32 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil I believe most Triumph owners agree that engine oil can safely be used in the gearbox wether or not it has an overdrive. For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50. There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?) 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I > have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for > straightening and inspection. > > Scott (B.) > > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Aug 20 13:43:24 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:43:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Yeah, but this is for my P-car. I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300. Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332 $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. Cheers Brian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 14:33:42 2020 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:33:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote: > Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the > secret?.225Nm. > > > > *Von:* tr4racing at gmail.com > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 > *An:* 'Michael Deweerd' ; ' > tr4racing at googlemail.com' > *Cc:* 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Betreff:* AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > Mike, > > > > my engine is really nothing special. > > Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford > Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 > Webers, that?s all. > > My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very > fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. > > There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because > I accidently overtook under yellow) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Michael Deweerd > > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 > *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com > *Cc:* Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my > new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. > > We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that > need squashing lol > > Mike > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight > corners. > > But Triumphs do better from my experience. > > My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than > a MG. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Kas Kastner > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 > *An:* MadMarx > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 > > > > I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. > EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the > engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think > the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a > corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start > with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they > were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Very well driven. > > > > Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? > > Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) > > > > What power do they make? > > Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 > Hp range. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB > > and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. > > > > https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > -- > > *Mike Deweerd* > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Aug 20 14:41:22 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair References: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <865159613.5197765.1597956082053@mail.yahoo.com> I remember dealing with this year's ago, and recall discussing whether the repairs were cosmetic or structural. ? MAG Silverstones were the most desirable, and rare as hen's teeth, because they'd been trashed in a race or racing. ?I acquired about a dozen. ?Then American Racing Wheels started making them again. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Thursday, August 20, 2020,?Barr, Scott via Fot??wrote: Yeah, but this is for my P-car.? I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300.? Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair?Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332? $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. CheersBrian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Aug 20 14:46:35 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:46:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <7A474769-32D0-44C0-85AC-8B13AF583D2A@mhc-law.com> We use H beam racing Ford modular V8 rods from Manley... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: ? What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? Inquiring minds want to know Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM > wrote: Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' >; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' > Cc: 'Kas Kastner' >; 'fot at autox. team. net' > Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We use H beam racing Ford modular V8 rods from Manley... > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > What is this ?Ford rod? you speak of ? > > > > > Inquiring minds want to know > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the >> secret?.225Nm. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* >> >> tr4racing at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 >> >> >> *An:* 'Michael Deweerd' ; ' >> tr4racing at googlemail.com' >> >> >> *Cc:* 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> >> >> *Betreff:* AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike, >> >> >> >> >> >> my engine is really nothing special. >> >> >> Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford >> Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 >> Webers, that?s all. >> >> >> My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do >> very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. >> >> >> There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because >> I accidently overtook under yellow) >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Michael Deweerd >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 >> >> >> *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com >> >> >> *Cc:* Kas Kastner ; fot at autox. team. net < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my >> new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that >> need squashing lol >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight >> corners. >> >> >> But Triumphs do better from my experience. >> >> >> My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster >> than a MG. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Kas Kastner >> >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 >> >> >> *An:* MadMarx >> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. >> EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the >> engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think >> the MG's are a lot lighter in >> >> weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG >> engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way >> back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs >> and very reliable. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Never be beaten by equipment.* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Very well driven. >> >> >> >> >> >> Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? >> >> >> Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> What power do they make? >> >> >> Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 >> Hp range. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on >> racing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Mike Deweerd* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Mike Deweerd* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > *Mike Deweerd* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' >; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com ' > Cc: 'Kas Kastner' >; 'fot at autox. team. net' > Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: Kas Kastner >; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Aug 20, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: I remember dealing with this year's ago, and recall discussing whether the repairs were cosmetic or structural. MAG Silverstones were the most desirable, and rare as hen's teeth, because they'd been trashed in a race or racing. I acquired about a dozen. Then American Racing Wheels started making them again. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, August 20, 2020, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Yeah, but this is for my P-car. I think a new Porsche wheel is something like $1300. Waiting for a quote from them, but I think that's the number. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: Brian Schirano Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:22:08 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum rim repair Hi Scott I sent an alloy BWA with a slight bend to "The Wheel Warehouse Inc" (Ohio I think) 937-291-2332 $240 with shipping and that was 5 years ago. Diminishing returns on keeping these old sets of together it seems. I also have a business card I`ve acquired, "Alloy Wheel Repair specialists of central NY" Seneca Falls NY 888-692-7186, have not used them. I'm guessing they must have had a booth or something at Watkins Glen and I picked up the card then. Cheers Brian On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for good aluminum rim repair services? I have a rim that is slightly bent and would like to send it in for straightening and inspection. Scott (B.) 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 20 23:21:28 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:21:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Grattan Race 3 Message-ID: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> Another Grattan video.? Fun times at the start, a couple of laps where things settle out in the middle and then a tooth and nail battle with Mike Moore for the last several laps.? It felt pretty epic in the car. https://youtu.be/iZGjlpm8tjI Cheers, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Fri Aug 21 01:24:13 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:24:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2 In-Reply-To: <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d676f2$5a3b3080$0eb19180$@gmail.com> <001201d676f5$68f1caf0$3ad560d0$@gmail.com> <003501d67716$44c252a0$ce46f7e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1515317280.63188773.1597994653317.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> [ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Michael Deweerd" , "tr4racing" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. Von: tr4racing at gmail.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 An: 'Michael Deweerd' ; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' Cc: 'Kas Kastner' ; 'fot at autox. team. net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Mike, my engine is really nothing special. Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] Cheers Chris Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol Mike On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. But Triumphs do better from my experience. My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. Cheers Chris Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Very well driven. Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) What power do they make? Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. Cheers Chris On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. [ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] -- Mike Deweerd BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] BQ_END -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, August 21, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: Anyone know this car? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 13:21:15 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:21:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Long shot, Vegas Spitfire? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don?t know the car or driver... but be on the lookout for a very tall driver! Yikes that?s a tall bar! Thot my bar was tall... Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Anyone know this car? > > mjb. > > > <118017251_3296588337075778_3847973331408030153_n.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 13:50:56 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:50:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 Message-ID: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:21:49 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! Thanks, Terry > On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: > > ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! > > Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! > > Thanks, > COL(Ret) Terry Sopher > 813-508-1243 From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:34:02 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:34:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> References: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Terry, The 3.89 is common to the spitfire as well. I believe it is the most common diff ratio. Should be easy to find. I?d ship you one, but they are too heavy to ship. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ?Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! > > Thanks, Terry > >> On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: >> >> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Aug 21 14:49:21 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 In-Reply-To: References: <6021A005-DB72-453A-8345-DF639CCDC37A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1994056877.4674232.1598042961891@mail.yahoo.com> Terry and Chuck-? I shipped one to Steve Yott in Wisconsin (from Maryland) for a rebuild last year for $79.00 if I remember correctly.? I can dig out the invoice/shipping co if necessary.? But perhaps things have changed shipping wise with what has been going on this year.Terry-? What did you experience when the flywheel sheared off?!? Did you have a scatter shield?? I know that that event can be a serious problem! Glad that it wasn't.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.89:1 Terry, The 3.89 is common to the spitfire as well.? I believe it is the most common diff ratio.? Should be easy to find.? I?d ship you one, but they are too heavy to ship. Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ?Correction - 3.89:1 is what I am in need of! > > Thanks, Terry > >> On Aug 21, 2020, at 15:51, Terry Sopher wrote: >> >> ?FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off!? Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock!? Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah.? (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well.? Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear.? 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URL: From dmar823 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 14:52:16 2020 From: dmar823 at gmail.com (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks > to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy > Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's > Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. > Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! > > Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently > PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! > > Thanks, > COL(Ret) Terry Sopher > 813-508-1243 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Aug 21 15:30:46 2020 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:30:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: <0E4C1B43-4F5D-4D02-AF85-3016E47CDD23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801d67802$55a9afe0$00fd0fa0$@rr.com> The Spit 1500s do in fact have a 3.89 ratio diff. The Mk 4 Spits have a 4.11 in them but are heavier built than the earlier diffs in the mk 3. It is common practice to install a 4.11 R&P into the 1500 diff case but they will have to be shimmed properly for gear engagement. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall via Fot Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 4:52 PM To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 16:45:51 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Award Winning Coverage in VTR MAGAZINE by Shawn Frank. & More. Message-ID: FOT: If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it. The coverage of the highly successful Kastner Cup...?THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO?, was led by Marty Sukey, Event Chair. A tough job working with all the obstacles thrown in our path. Then there is the Kastner Cup 2020 Documentary Film by Classic Motor Films. You will be seeing more of John Linney?s work in the future. There will be further announcements coming, as I step away from a 18 years series with Kas. It?s been a great ride. Thank you everyone. Congratulations to Mike Munson, Kastner Cup Recipient. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 18:04:27 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:04:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don, Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! Best, Terry > On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: > > ? > Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >> >> Thanks, >> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >> 813-508-1243 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 18:43:06 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Award Winning Coverage in VTR MAGAZINE by Shawn Frank. & More. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Joe! It sure was fun being there to report on the Kastner Cup 2020! Your work on all the Kastner Cup Races is absolutely invaluable! Your dedication to a friend, a legacy, and to the great unwashed have allowed the vintage racing sport to thrive and grow. You have been a pinnacle influence on more enthusiasts than you will ever know. I, for one, have felt honored and privileged to get to know most of the FOT and their families. This would not have been possible without your hand in it all. For that, I sincerely thank you! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 5:46 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it. The coverage of > the highly successful Kastner Cup...?THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO?, was led by > Marty Sukey, Event Chair. A tough job working with all the obstacles thrown > in our path. > > Then there is the Kastner Cup 2020 Documentary Film by Classic Motor > Films. You will be seeing more of John Linney?s work in the future. > > There will be further announcements coming, as I step away from a 18 years > series with Kas. It?s been a great ride. Thank you everyone. > > Congratulations to Mike Munson, Kastner Cup Recipient. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:09:01 2020 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > Don, > > Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting > together in the future not too long ago! > > Best, Terry > > On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: > > ? > Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, > which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot > wrote: > >> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks >> to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy >> Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's >> Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. >> Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >> >> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Fri Aug 21 19:22:29 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chrome platters Message-ID: <4145F17E-8D00-4F52-978D-88065EB9C248@icloud.com> Guys. Looking for recommendations on chrome platters. I?m in Austin TX but willing to ship if needed. Appreciate your input. Sent from my iPhone From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Aug 21 19:26:09 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 01:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2103812389.4753606.1598059569078@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info, Frank.? I see that the German GT6 had the 3:27 rear with overdrive.? My son put the 3:27 in his '72 GT6, which came with the 3;89/overdrive option from the factory.? We (he, my brother and myself) think the 3;27/overdrive is the best (street) combo of all. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank via Fot To: Terry Sopher Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: Don, Thanks!? Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! Best, Terry? On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: ?Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off!? Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock!? ?Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah.? (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well.? Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear.? Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! Thanks, COL(Ret) Terry Sopher 813-508-1243 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:42:51 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Frank - Great info! > On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:09, Shawn Frank wrote: > > ? > For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... > > http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html > > Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... > > www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html > > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >> Don, >> >> Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! >> >> Best, Terry >> >>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>>> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >>>> >>>> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >>>> 813-508-1243 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:43:33 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear End Needed 3.91 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <384D6DC1-D2A4-4CA2-AB78-557B1A7519D1@gmail.com> Sorry Shawn! > On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:42, Terry Sopher wrote: > > ? > Thanks Frank - Great info! > >>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 21:09, Shawn Frank wrote: >>> >> ? >> For reference, here is a link to my website that has diff numbers explained... >> >> http://www.triumphspitfire.com/diff.html >> >> Here is a link to the site index. There's a ton more info on the website... >> >> www.triumphspitfire.com/siteindex.html >> >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:04 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>> Don, >>> >>> Thanks! Great that you are so close & we were talking about getting together in the future not too long ago! >>> >>> Best, Terry >>> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 16:52, Don Marshall wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Terry, I think I have one here in Macclenny. It's off a non OD Spit 1500, which I think makes it a 3.89. You're welcome to come check it out. Don >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:51 PM Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT - During qualifying for Kastner Cup my flywheel sheared off! Thanks to Tim Slater for help diagnosing in the paddock! Took the Spit to Andy Greene Sports and Vintage Race Cars in Savannah. (Andy bought Ted Wentz's Savannah Race & Engineering in June 2020). Crank was broken as well. Rebuilding engine & hope to be a VDCA Hurricane in Savannah in Sep! >>>>> >>>>> Hoping someone can help - Looking to source a 3.91 GT6 rear. Apparently PO put a 4.55 in the car for hill climbs! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> COL(Ret) Terry Sopher >>>>> 813-508-1243 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmar823 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Aug 21 20:26:18 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:26:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Last 2 races from Grattan Message-ID: Yet more Grattan video for those that care. Sun race 2 - this is the more exciting of the two https://youtu.be/aQ4ZAhPZMe4 Sun race 1 - got to spend a lot of time harassing the leader https://youtu.be/fnZzOkL3dG4 Cheers, Tony Drews From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 21:24:49 2020 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Grattan Race 3 In-Reply-To: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> References: <0063e9d3-41c5-7b48-fbca-9546b036a89a@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <214718785.5847613.1598066689840@mail.yahoo.com> Tony,Some exhilarating but totally respectful racing there, thanks for sharing. Gary SchneiderBFR Classic Chief Steward since the earth cooled On Friday, August 21, 2020, 12:21:47 AM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Another Grattan video.? Fun times at the start, a couple of laps where things settle out in the middle and then a tooth and nail battle with Mike Moore for the last several laps.? It felt pretty epic in the car. https://youtu.be/iZGjlpm8tjI Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Aug 22 04:39:06 2020 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:39:06 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Last 2 races from Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02D96000-B5F8-483B-9D97-EB7B18FC1659@btinternet.com> Great racing all weekend Tony, really enjoyed your footage. Thanks, Keith > On 22 Aug 2020, at 05:26, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Yet more Grattan video for those that care. > > Sun race 2 - this is the more exciting of the two > > https://youtu.be/aQ4ZAhPZMe4 > > Sun race 1 - got to spend a lot of time harassing the leader > > https://youtu.be/fnZzOkL3dG4 > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Aug 23 11:02:00 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:02:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Wheel widths? Message-ID: So when we talk about wheel width, where are we measuring? Outside edge to outside edge? Or the inside edge where the bead sits? Scott (B.) 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A few new lines were called for on this track. ?This was really fun trying to catch the 510, and after a gap formed due to traffic, I really figured out what the car could do! ?Also super neat to have the track all lit up at night! ?Enjoy: NER SCCA Midsummers Night race 082220 Thompson HRG3 Triumph TR4? | | | | | | | | | | | NER SCCA Midsummers Night race 082220 Thompson HRG3 Triumph TR4 By triumphsix73 | | | | Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 23 11:20:22 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 11:20:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wheel widths? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61abfea2-1153-9b40-cf9c-c0c6f4fbac46@bradakis.com> On 8/23/20 11:02 AM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > So when we talk about wheel width, where are we measuring? ?Outside > edge to outside edge?? Or the inside edge where the bead sits? > Inside, bead to bead surface. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 23 17:32:35 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:32:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta Message-ID: <670CC0634C1B40118E562B22821D8105@VlackTK121647> Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy, Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs1dwzWHn7bTUijQ9EBvRZA > On 08/23/2020 4:32 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > > Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? > > I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. > > JVV > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 07:05:05 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 40's on TR6 In-Reply-To: <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676143840.3247385.1597845065394@mail.yahoo.com> <1378027962.3297778.1597849556966@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of O2 gauges/sensors. I recently bought an AEM gauge and was pulling my hair out trying to get it to work. I went to the forums on the Interweb and found out that the sensors AEM sends out have a high defective rate. I also learned about the "rag test" If the gauge doesn't work pull the sensor and wrap the end in a rag soaked with brake cleaner and see if it reads rich. This test proved my new oxygen sensor was bad. New sensor, 13.7 at idle, fun to watch it go up and down but I still check my tailpipe for grey residue. Bob Kramer On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:06 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There is no magic setup so just tune accordingly. If you do not have an > off idle hesitation now but one appears when you install the 30's you have > gone too far, try 29's. If you do not have a o2 sensor you will be dead in > the water and just guessing at your jetting. You main signal strength will > decrease when you install larger chokes therefore you most likely will have > to go down on the air corrector or up on the mains or both. > > > "Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do regardless of the > consequences" > > > > > On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 09:51:36 AM EDT, Robert Lang via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I poked around in the archives and found a few TR6 references with Weber > jetting, but for the most part the references fail to mention the choke > tubes for the setups. > > I've been running 28mm chokes since forever and was looking to swap in > some 30mm chokes but I may have to do the swap without access to a dyno. > > So, the question is: if you change to different choke tubes, do you need > to re-jet? I know the answer is yes, but I'd like to see some examples for > folks that have done this (change from 28's to 30's or similar). > > If you don't want to share setups on the list, I understand, but I figured > in the interest of science, some real references would help establish a > baseline. And yes, I know how small changes in the jetting can pay > dividends. I've seen 7 or 8 HP gains playing with air correctors! > > Feel free to respond off list. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Aug 24 07:08:10 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:08:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: <691501895.26770.1598237547585@connect.xfinity.com> References: <670CC0634C1B40118E562B22821D8105@VlackTK121647> <691501895.26770.1598237547585@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <000001d67a17$9e60f880$db22e980$@rogers.com> Wow, there is some gold in there, thanks. Also looking for any rally coverage late 70s and ethrough the 80s. Thanks From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot Sent: August 23, 2020 10:52 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 1976 SCCA Runoffs @ Road Atlanta Hi Jerry, If you can find it anywhere, it might be here. This guy's YouTube channel is fantastic. Kind of a SCCA and sports car racing video archive. Enjoy, Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs1dwzWHn7bTUijQ9EBvRZA On 08/23/2020 4:32 PM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Does anyone have the link to the 1976 D production SCCA runoffs battle between Huffaker TR7 and Paul Newman ex Group 44 TR6? I?ve searched YouTube and can?t find it. JVV _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 09:02:55 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Overdrive gearbox oil In-Reply-To: <1765437011.61268733.1597944384264.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <880681882.3790057.1597872331529.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <880681882.3790057.1597872331529@mail.yahoo.com> <13491820.57684118.1597873172123.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1021138771.57690399.1597873291389.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1765437011.61268733.1597944384264.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <2080252401.5434031.1598281375853@mail.yahoo.com> I always used Valvoline straight 50 Wt. oil in my overdrive gearboxes for the race car.? Worked fine - no wear problems.? However, in my street cars I use EP-80/90 gear oil, as recommended by the manufacturer (I think). Jack On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 1:27:04 PM EDT, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I mentioned Zinc content in GL-4 and GL-5 oil, that's wrong of course, it's about Sulfur. Sulfur is also reactive to Nikasil. Some cars in the eighties had Nikasil liners : Honda, Jaguar, Rover, and also Porsche. But the high sulfur content in the FUEL of that period did damage the Nikasil liners, thus causing severe loss of power and high oil consumption. The sulfur content of modern fuels is very low and it isn't harmful to? Nikasil anymore. However, car manufacturers have changed to other production processes to reduce ring/liner friction, because of these problems but also because Nikasil is expensive for massproduction.MarcelVan: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:41:31 Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Russell Westfall" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:39:32 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil I believe most Triumph owners agree? that engine oil can safely be used in the gearbox wether or not it has an overdrive. For some time I use Mobil 1 5w-50.There is some concern about the Zinc content in GL5 EP (extrem pressure) diff oil. GL5 oil has about twice as much Zinc in it compared to GL4 (so will GL 4 oil also eat the yellow parts, but only 2x slower?)Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 augustus 2020 23:25:31 Onderwerp: [Fot] Overdrive gearbox oil AmiciI am running a TR4 with an overdrive. There seems to be several opinions on the proper lube to run in these transmissions. Is there a consensus on what works best in racing applications?Russ Westfall Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You will see that a lot of people will fit billet, machined, large main bearing cap around mid-crank length as they have had issues with either bearing ?wipe? of broken cap bolts. They are trying to counteract the 2nd harmonic by making the bearing journal stiffer. You don?t need to complete a complex calculation to understand what RPM?s you should minimise holding your duration at. The crank is suspended and ?struck? and the natural frequency that the crank vibrates/resonates at will give you it?s harmonic characteristics. Just like a tuning fork. This is the basis for setting your RPM?s and multiples of that RPM to stay away from. OR you need to reduce the effect at those RPM?s. Say, using a harmonic balancer design to reduce the harmonic effect at certain RPM?s. Just as Joe Alexander describes, the first harmonic is in the 2800 RPM range, but it is the least destructive so you almost miss feeling it. Hope that helps? Have a great day "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of timmmurphh--- via Fot Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency. The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses. Inertia increases as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius. An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance. I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM. I have never seen a calculation for it. It would be complex. Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. Tim Murphy From: Fot On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 Something I have wondered about for years. Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. TeriAnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know what?s possible! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 04:41:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 06:41:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> Greg: I can?t help you with the profile, but just want to say that this is a wonderful project for you and your son. David and I did the same thing. He started a frame-off restoration of a TR6 at age 12. Finished in time to drive it to school in the spring of his senior year. Now, 30 ish years later he still has the TR6 and we are racing TR4s together. A great experience at so many levels! Please keep us informed with pictures of Will?s and your journey. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. > > My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. > > Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. > > Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not to discount the pulley at the front of the crank and its effect also. > > What you are feeling at around the 5200 mark is the 2nd harmonic of the crankshafts natural frequency. The 2nd harmonic is usually the most destructive harmonic and this is the crankshaft bending the most during rotation. Usually, but not always around the mid distance crank. But can be around the 2nd crank journal in the 4 Cyl engine. You will see that a lot of people will fit billet, machined, large main bearing cap around mid-crank length as they have had issues with either bearing ?wipe? of broken cap bolts. They are trying to counteract the 2nd harmonic by making the bearing journal stiffer. > > You don?t need to complete a complex calculation to understand what RPM?s you should minimise holding your duration at. The crank is suspended and ?struck? and the natural frequency that the crank vibrates/resonates at will give you it?s harmonic characteristics. Just like a tuning fork. This is the basis for setting your RPM?s and multiples of that RPM to stay away from. OR you need to reduce the effect at those RPM?s. Say, using a harmonic balancer design to reduce the harmonic effect at certain RPM?s. > > Just as Joe Alexander describes, the first harmonic is in the 2800 RPM range, but it is the least destructive so you almost miss feeling it. > > Hope that helps? > Have a great day > > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" > Kind Regards > Peter Vucinic > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of timmmurphh--- via Fot > Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 9:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > > > From: timmmurphh at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM > To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' > Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency. The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses. Inertia increases as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius. > > An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance. I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM. I have never seen a calculation for it. It would be complex. Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. > > Tim Murphy > > From: Fot On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 > > Something I have wondered about for years. > > Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. > > TeriAnn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 05:50:12 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:50:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 25 05:58:54 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:58:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: Well, it is possible the rear piston is doing what it should and the front one is misbehaving, not dropping when it should.? It might be interesting to track exhaust gas temps from a cylinder served by each carb, see if there is a corresponding change. mjb. From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 06:19:42 2020 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> References: <134FD6D1-BA18-460C-B604-F157E1F4B1F3@aol.com> Message-ID: Hey Greg, nice to see an update on Will?s progress. Here is an update on my 14 year old Ella?s Herald restoration. We?re nearly done stripping it so we can do a color change and we?ve pulled a donor 1500 drivetrain from a late model Spit. We?re only 2 months in but she?s still got enthusiasm. Here she is removing brake lines. She was never into our Triumphs until she saw the Herald and said it looks like Nancy Drew?s car... whatever it takes to get that first taste of the Triumph drug. Do you worry like I do about all the effort going into this car that is very likely going to get wrecked??? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly > >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 06:31:08 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 05:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: <63b8d9a2-dca9-32ad-3985-52b3b739c4c1@gmail.com> On 8/25/20 4:58 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Well, it is possible the rear piston is doing what it should and the > front one is misbehaving, not dropping when it should.?? It might be > interesting to track exhaust gas temps from a cylinder served by each > carb, see if there is a corresponding change. Or just switch the carbs to see if the characteristic stays with the carb. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Aug 25 06:34:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 14:34:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> References: <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E.ref@aol.com> <5214B740-1396-4179-AEB0-74D880E5376E@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> Hi Phil, interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. Something like that. To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: Piston with rod - 1000gr Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr Clutch with plate - 1000gr Pulley - 400 gr Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. Cheers Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 An: Friends Of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From paulricco at att.net Tue Aug 25 07:00:15 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> References: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> Phil, Wr went through this with SU?s about five years ago. We had the rear SU piston ?winking? at us on the dyno on high rev pulls. We resolved it. 1. When is the last time the carbs were totally rebuilt? Any chance you have any air leaks at shafts or anywhere else? 2. What are you using for a manifold gasket? Any chance of a vacuum leak? 3. Same for the carb/isolator block end of the manifold. If you added a heat shield that is two more faces that need to seal well with gaskets. It starts to get thick and the studs are not very long. 4. What are you running for dashpot oil? 5. Which weight springs do you run in the carbs? 6. Any other vacuum leaks anywhere? All can be factors. However I would be looking for an air leak. Including at the carb shafts depending on the age. Just my two sense from having been through this and resolving it successfully. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Phil, > > interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. > I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. > > Something like that. > > To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: > Piston with rod - 1000gr > Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr > Clutch with plate - 1000gr > Pulley - 400 gr > > Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 > An: Friends Of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion > > Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: > On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. > As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. > The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. > The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. > Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? > Phil Gott > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From rick.parent at att.net Tue Aug 25 07:32:07 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> References: <003401d67adc$17811e60$46835b20$@gmail.com> <97B94709-C707-4368-B045-0C03E70A376A@att.net> Message-ID: <1766998279.5333604.1598362327129@mail.yahoo.com> Check your cranking pressure for each cylinder first. I suspect you either have either a bad hole or a spring issue, both are easy to check. The piston is drawn up by the velocity / CFM being pulled into the engine. Rick ?"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 09:00:49 AM EDT, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: Phil, Wr went through this with SU?s about five years ago. We had the rear SU piston ?winking? at us on the dyno on high rev pulls.? We resolved it. 1. When is the last time the carbs were totally rebuilt?? Any chance you have any air leaks at shafts or anywhere else? 2.? What are you using for a manifold gasket?? Any chance of a vacuum leak?? 3.? Same for the carb/isolator block end of the manifold. If you added a heat shield that is two more faces that need to seal well with gaskets. It starts to get thick and the studs are not very long. 4. What are you running for dashpot oil? 5. Which weight springs do you run in the carbs? 6. Any other vacuum leaks anywhere? All can be factors. However I would be looking for an air leak. Including at the carb shafts depending on the age. Just my two sense from having been through this and resolving it successfully. Paul Ricco Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Phil, > > interesting you are having visible vibrations. My engine doesn't show things like this. > I guess the rear carb drops from a lack of flow. Maybe fuel supply is not working properly, valve springs too soft with valve bounce. > > Something like that. > > To help the crank....making everything as light as possible: > Piston with rod - 1000gr > Flywheel with ring gear - 3500gr > Clutch with plate - 1000gr > Pulley - 400 gr > > Seems to work fine. I let balance the crank all 2-3 years. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2020 13:50 > An: Friends Of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion > > Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: > On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6)? pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. > As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. > The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. > The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. > Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? > Phil Gott > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 08:04:51 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2045036664.33899.1598364291941@connect.xfinity.com> Hi Greg, There are a few good angled shots of the apron on my resto video. Especially at 10:58. Dave H. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW-cSGzyKXs > On 08/24/2020 6:32 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. > > My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. > > Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. > > Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly > > Thanks. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Aug 25 09:17:33 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front apron help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That?s awesome Dusty. I keep asking Will if he is up for the heat, smell, and unreliability...he just smiles and says he will be the only one in the parking lot. I always laugh and tell him I was the only Triumph in my high school Parking lot in 1990. At this point, I hope they both get the opportunity to drive to school some day. Fingers crossed. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:20 AM, dustin nicholson wrote: > > ?Hey Greg, nice to see an update on Will?s progress. Here is an update on my 14 year old Ella?s Herald restoration. We?re nearly done stripping it so we can do a color change and we?ve pulled a donor 1500 drivetrain from a late model Spit. We?re only 2 months in but she?s still got enthusiasm. Here she is removing brake lines. > > She was never into our Triumphs until she saw the Herald and said it looks like Nancy Drew?s car... whatever it takes to get that first taste of the Triumph drug. > > Do you worry like I do about all the effort going into this car that is very likely going to get wrecked??? > > > > > Dustin Nicholson > 281-871-9623 > >> >>>> On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Folks. Need some help with the shape of the lower section (below the grill opening) of the front apron on a large mouth TR3. I cut up and welded new metal on the front of the race car and I?m pretty sure it is no where near the stock profile. >>> >>> My 14 year old son and I are rebuilding his 3 and it has obviously met a few curbs in it day. The lower section is folded back and I don?t have a good goby to make templates. >>> >>> Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. >>> >>> Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com >> >> From vfracing at aol.com Tue Aug 25 10:13:41 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> Thanks everyone. I?m glad to know that we?re not alone. The carbs were rebushed by Joe Curto last winter. Running red, yellow, blue and no springs. It happened in every case, with slight differences in final height depending on spring rate. Checked for vacuum leaks: we run the graphite hi performance manifold gaskets. We did find a slight gouge in one of the rear Manifold gasket faces. Dave did some harmonic calculations, treating the manifold and carb like a recorder and found that there may be a high pressure area under the two air holes of the piston at just about 5300 rpm. That slight gouge could have been contributing to some high pressure harmonics that would make the piston drop, just like a recorder will squeak if each air hole is not closed completely. Have not been back on the dyno to check the effect since, but that supports the idea that it might be due to a vacuum leak. Cranking compression is all within 10 psi of each other. Using my last stash of 10W oil in the dampers. Could not swap carbs due to linkage issues, but we did swap pistons. No change: rear still dropped. We did see an increase of about 0.5 in air/fuel ratio when the piston dropped. That is because a fatter part of the needle closed down the fuel toroid, as it should. That change in air/fuel ratio went away when we manually held the piston open. I have to agree that it does not seem to impact power much because the peak HP on the dyno was about the same whether we held the piston open or not. Intuitively that does not make sense, but there it is..... But to return to the question, it does not seem related to the crank harmonics, I surmise after seeing all the responses. For what it?s worth, we are running a Tilton Aluminum flywheel ( I forget the Weight) with a TR6 pressure plate and three puck disc. As a left-over from ?back in the day,? I run a Corvair damper. It?s relatively massive with high inertia due to it?s diameter. It seems to work well. Have had no fretting of the nose if the crank that we?ve seen with the small dampers available in kits today, or with none at all. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > ? > I encountered this magic move the carburetor piston many many times on the engine dyno. Could find no reason for the action and never did. It did not seem to affect the power (you'd think it would) and was not always there. My last thoughts about this wasa the cross over balance tube may have some effect. I'd stop that particular run, idle the engine a minute and start over and the event would NOT occur again. It was just plain weird to stand there watching the pistons of the S.U's and all of a sudden one of them would slowly drop down about halfway. My only suspect was harmonics. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:50 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: >> On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. >> As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. >> The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. >> The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. >> Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? >> Phil Gott >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Aug 25 11:50:26 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion In-Reply-To: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> References: <831A0A9D-EDCD-4771-AC12-8865163D1BC2@aol.com> Message-ID: <2135555015.5448699.1598377826174@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like the open carb is the problem, check for sticktion and spring pressure. The way the needles are designed the piston should rise slowly to its max point and stay there. the incorrect operation looks like the pistons opening to their max point instantaneously. Most race SU's function like the latter and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the AFR is appropriate at all points, where the problem lies is when you can't get from your trailer to the pit late without having to rev the Sxxx out of it, that's the classic example. On a side note a motor can only use so much air and if your carbs are larger than necessary the pistons will find the place they like to live and that's what you get. So just because the pistons are not all the way up doesn't mean they are not working properly, it just means if you want the pistons up all the way you will need more displacement, haha. Rick "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 12:14:18 PM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone.I?m glad to know that we?re not alone.?The carbs were rebushed by Joe Curto last winter. Running red, yellow, blue and no springs. It happened in every case, with slight differences in final height depending on spring rate. ? Checked for vacuum leaks: we run the graphite hi performance manifold gaskets. We did find a slight gouge in one of the rear Manifold gasket faces. Dave did some harmonic calculations, treating the manifold and carb like a recorder and found that there may be a high pressure area under the two air holes of the piston at just about 5300 rpm. That slight gouge could have been contributing to some high pressure harmonics that would make the piston drop, just like a recorder will squeak if each air hole is not closed completely. Have not been back on the dyno to check the effect since, but that supports the idea that it might be due to a vacuum leak.Cranking compression is all within 10 psi of each other.Using my last stash of 10W oil in the dampers.Could not swap carbs due to linkage issues, but we did swap pistons. No change: rear still dropped.We did see an increase of about 0.5 in air/fuel ratio when the piston dropped. That is because a fatter part of the needle closed down the fuel toroid, as it should. ?That change in air/fuel ratio went away when we manually held the piston open. I have to agree that it does not seem to impact power much because the peak HP on the dyno was about the same whether we held the piston open or not. ?Intuitively that does not make sense, but there it is.....But to return to the question, it does not seem related to the crank harmonics, I surmise after seeing all the responses.For what it?s worth, we are running a Tilton Aluminum flywheel ( I forget the Weight) with a TR6 pressure plate and three puck disc. As a left-over from ?back in the day,? I run a Corvair damper. It?s relatively massive with high inertia due to it?s diameter. It seems to work well. Have had no fretting of the nose if the crank that we?ve seen with the small dampers available in kits today, or with none at all. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: ?I encountered this magic move the carburetor?piston many many times?on the engine dyno.? Could find no reason?for the action and never did.? It did not seem to affect the power (you'd think it would) and was not always there. My last thoughts about this wasa the cross over balance tube may have some effect. I'd stop that particular?run, idle the engine a minute and start over and the event would NOT occur again. It was just plain weird to stand there watching the pistons of the S.U's? ?and all of a sudden one of them would slowly drop down about halfway. My only suspect was harmonics.?? Never be beaten by equipment. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:50 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6)? pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? 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Can one of you fellow 3 care takers send us a to scale profile of that lower section? I think one for middle and one for each side just inside the bumper plinths would get us close enough. I?d really appreciate the help, so would Will the owner. Attached is a photo of Will working the rear corner that had 1/2? of bondo when we stepped the car. He is grinding off the remnants of the studs he used to pull the dent properly From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Aug 25 13:41:12 2020 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:41:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Message-ID: Phil, A few years ago we were running a 3/4 race TR-4A engine on the dyno. We ran it with H-6 carbs on a short manifold and HS-6 Carbs on a long manifold. With the H-6 carbs, the engine ran as we expected and would pull from about 2500 RPM up to about 6,500 RPM smoothly and evenly. peak power was at about 5,500 rpm. When we switched to the HS-6 carbs on the long manifold we found substantially more power and torque from 2,800 rpm on up the rev range, but at 5200 rpm the power died and the bsfc went all to hell. We determined that the fuel was foaming in the float bowls and making the fuel mixture go wild. We installed the MG_B style rubber mounts for the float bowls so that they wer flexibly mounted, not solid as with the TR-4A setup, but that did not cure the issue. We then used weber 45dcoe soft mount kits to create a rubber cushion between the carb body and the inlet manifold. That cured the problem. The power then continued smoothly past the vibration period up to 6,000 RPM where it fell off because of the cam that was in the engine. Apparently the length of the long inlet manifold amplified the vibration frequency from the engine and caused the fuel mixture in the carb bowls and jet to foam, destroying the fuel mixture. Isolating the carb from the engine vibration cured the problem. Greg Solow ------- Original Message ------- >From : Phil Gott via Fot[mailto:fot at autox.team.net] Sent : 8/25/2020 4:50:12 AM To : fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: [Fot] Crank Harmonics and Carburetion Can anyone help with this weird phenomenon? The discussion of the second harmonic being at 5200 rpm on the TR4 crank got me thinking: On a chassis dyno we could watch the SU (HS 6) pistons during the dyno Pulls. We started each pull at 3000 rpm. The pistons went all the way to the top almost immediately after going to full throttle. The front carb piston stayed all the way up for the entire run. The piston in the rear carb DROPPED DOWN to about 3/4 open at around 5300 rpm and stayed there for the rest of the pull. This repeated consistently. As these depend on air flow via Bernouli?s law, I examined the valve train thoroughly, fearing a stuck valve, problems with the valve train, a bad lifter etc. but everything looked fine. No noises from errant valve operation either. The crank harmonic discussion got me thinking. Could it be something to do with vibration that would upset the air flow or cause the piston to drop? Note that the piston was steady when it dropped. No apparent fluttering. I?m stumped. The car runs very strong nonetheless. You see the results in Dave?s latest video at Thompson. He and I are thinking about putting a go pro camera and a light under the hood to watch that carb in real life track situations to see what happens. Any thoughts as to why the Piston in the rear carb only should drop at about 5300 and above? Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 19:35:02 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:35:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 Message-ID: Amici, There are detailed rumors floating around the Internet about a 2021 Kastner Cup event... ...big names like Kas Kastner and Joe Alexander are attached to these rumors.. ...yet no announcement via FOT? Are the rumors about a July event at Portland International Raceway true? Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone From curt.johnston at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 20:15:02 2020 From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1347804935.42300.1598494503182@connect.xfinity.com> Hi Brad, The 2021 Kastner Cup is set for Portland International Raceway with SVRA in July next year. Check out the attached Save The Date pdf. He certainly hope that Kas and Joe will be involved, but only time will tell. Joe is focused on helping Kas right now, so we are assembling a committee to coordinate the 2021 Kastner Cup. If you or others are interested please let me know, as we could certainly use the help. 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Joe is focused on helping Kas right now, so we are assembling a committee to coordinate the 2021 Kastner Cup. If you or others are interested please let me know, as we could certainly use the help. > > Curt Johnston > curt.johnston at comcast.net > 707-249-1667 > > > > On 08/26/2020 6:35 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Amici, > > > > There are detailed rumors floating around the Internet about a 2021 Kastner Cup event... > > > > ...big names like Kas Kastner and Joe Alexander are attached to these rumors.. > > > > ...yet no announcement via FOT? > > > > Are the rumors about a July event at Portland International Raceway true? > > > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/curt.johnston at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here?s a pair for sale. 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Well, there is a Morgan Plus 4, so one more Triumph engine at least. 3 Spitfires in Group 6. A pretty good size field overall...where are all the Triumphs? I'll be writing a 'View from the pits' sidebar for Victory Lane. Maybe I can sneak some Triumph angle into that... Schedule and more if you have a need: https://limerock.com/HF38ParticipantInfo#overlay-context=covidupdates?? First visit to legendary Lime Rock...should be fun! Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if they ever made a > true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never > seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to > improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the > solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic > hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop > from the factory. Just an observation.? Any comments? > > Jack > > On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot > wrote: > > > I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share > them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s > Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the > Triumph Herald. > > Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) > > I have no connection with the seller. > > ?Justin > > > > > 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... > > > https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Fri Aug 28 10:44:22 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> References: <650e0f00-bdf0-a2e6-2726-6fb458f95709@pobox.com> Message-ID: The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963, and the GT cars in 1962, so was likely available before the TR4A. They are a rare thing, but do make the car more usable in the colder months. Here?s mine... > On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: > > ? A hardtop was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry > > On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >> >> Jack >> >> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >> >> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >> >> I have no connection with the seller. >> >> ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >> >> >> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Aug 28, 2020, at 12:06 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > ?The Sebring TR4s all had hard tops in 1963, and the GT cars in 1962, so was likely available before the TR4A. They are a rare thing, but do make the car more usable in the colder months. Here?s mine... > > > > > >>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? A hardtop was available for the TR250 and I thought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry >> >> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >>> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >>> >>> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >>> >>> I have no connection with the seller. >>> >>> ?Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >>> >>> >>> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 12:37:58 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry.? I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on cars like yours.? I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.? The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.? I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you mentioned.? But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A. Thanks for your comments. Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the 2017 Kastner Cup.The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the center portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which is the ?Surrey Top? often referred to by enthusiasts.Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and Bob Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don?t see him very often.I?ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for 40 of those years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold the car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and later was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is now unobtanium. JVV?From: Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PMTo: FOT ; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents?This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments??Jack ?On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ??I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? ?Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) ?I have no connection with the seller. ??Justin ? 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!? The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.? It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!? Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.? It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.? Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 14:03:20 2020 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> <2116145703.820096.1598639878667@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1633683003.12464.1598645000629@mail.yahoo.com> I'll bet a TR6 hardtop will fit a TR4, not sure it would look good though being angular lines instead of rounded.? Although aftermarket TR6 tops tend to be a little more rounded so might look okay on a TR4.? I've seen TR4 surrey tops on TR6's so I imagine the fit would work the other way too. Or get a GTR4 Dove with the fixed fastback roof, but maybe those are too rare to make into a racecar.? A guy in our club has had two of them so maybe they aren't that rare? Dusty On Friday, August 28, 2020, 01:44:31 PM CDT, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: Hi Jerry.? I was using the name "Targa Top" for what I have seen on cars like yours.? I guess that term is normally used for Porshes.? The "Hard Top" I was referring to is like the steel top I have on my TR-3 (see picture), where the entire top lifts off, as opposed to the "Targa Top", where the rear window normally stays in place.? I've seen a number of what I am calling Targa Tops, including both of the race cars you mentioned.? But I have never seen a totally steel, one piece Hard Top for a TR-4 or 4A. Thanks for your comments. Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 7:15:09 PM EDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: Jack This is my TR4A; photos by Shawn Frank at Blackhawk Farms for the 2017 Kastner Cup.The Hardtop was a factory option for the 4, 4A and 250 and yes the center portion was removable. It could be replaced with a soft top section which is the ?Surrey Top? often referred to by enthusiasts.Jack Drews had a blue TR4 with the Hardtop before it was wrecked and Bob Deanes runs a TR4 with the Hardtop but we don?t see him very often.I?ve owned my 4A for 51 years and looked for this Hardtop for 40 of those years. Finally bought a car with the top, put it on my car and then sold the car. I like the appearance. The center section was initially aluminum and later was steel. The rear window section is a cast aluminum piece. The glass is now unobtanium. JVV?From: Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:23 PMTo: FOT ; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents?This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments??Jack ?On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: ??I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? ?Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) ?I have no connection with the seller. ??Justin ? 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Exactly what need to inspire me during the cold winter rebuilds How can I get at least one!! Thank you Joe and Clark For making this poster happen Mike Deweerd On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > Clark Lincoln-Artist > > > > Joe Alexander > > 4505 Donald Dr > > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > > The-vintage-racer.com > > Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Exactly what need to inspire me during the cold winter rebuilds > How can I get at least one!! > Thank you Joe and Clark For making this poster happen > Mike Deweerd > > > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Clark Lincoln-Artist >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> 4505 Donald Dr >> >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> >> The-vintage-racer.com >> >> Gasketinnovations.com >> >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 14:45:37 2020 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:45:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <352277579.11818.1598644651904@mail.yahoo.com> References: <352277579.11818.1598644651904@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!). The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was for wintertime. The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the way with the idea! Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. Great resources! Best, Terry > On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: > > ? > The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option. I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section. I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!! The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! > > > > > hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry > > On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? > > Jack > > On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: > > > I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. > > Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) > > I have no connection with the seller. > > ?Justin > > > > > 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... > > > https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Sun Aug 30 21:44:33 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> References: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> I?ve often wondered why we don?t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage? > On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: > > ? > I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!). > > The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was for wintertime. The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. > > They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. > > The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. > > Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the way with the idea! Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. Great resources! > > Best, Terry > >>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option. I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section. I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!! The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! >> >> >> >> >> hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry >> >> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? >> >> Jack >> >> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. >> >> Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) >> >> I have no connection with the seller. >> >> ?Justin >> >> >> >> >> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... >> >> >> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 31 00:21:50 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:21:50 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1503090161.458014.1598563388573@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jack, It was called a Surrey Top. The rear screen stayed on the vehicle as it was a retrofit and removal of some parts that made up the ?soft top? parts was required. You had the best of both worlds then. Fitting the ?roof? or the canvas surrey centre section. I have a genuine Steel Roof, Aluminium Roof and ?still in the triumph box? canvas surrey centre section. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Friday, 28 August 2020 7:23 AM To: FOT; J Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Under Hood Vents This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald. Here?s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 05:26:44 2020 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Under Hood Vents In-Reply-To: <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> References: <4C4C22EE-1021-4CD2-B48D-51BCDC485815@gmail.com> <77D6EC82-7961-4810-BF3F-5FA6BF5ED30E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <885956159.568124.1598873204562@mail.yahoo.com> I have a "street" bar underneath mine that fit with no alteration.? I did race it in a Vintage "exhibition" class at our Put In Bay Races a number of years ago before we tightened specs on that class and did meet the helmet/top of roll bar regulation.? I'm 5'9" so anyone taller probably wouldn't have met it.? To have any kind of "aerodynamic" benefit you would need the hard center section because at any track where you could manage a decent top speed the open Surrey Top would function as a superb drag parachute!!? ?I hope I didn't sound in an earlier post that I hated the Surrey Top, I really like the unique look it gives the car and its only a pain to seal up for rain in a "very British" manner!!!! On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 11:44:36 PM EDT, John Linney wrote: I?ve often wondered why we don?t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage? On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot wrote: ? I had one on my ?66 TR4A - really liked it and didn?t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!).? The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. ?The center aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. ?It was for wintertime. ?The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather. ? They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. ?Been thinking about getting one for my TR250 road car. The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and was sold into TR6 production. Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! ?Triumph led the way with the idea! ?Triumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott. ?Great resources! Best, Terry? On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot wrote: ? The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option.? I have an original one on my TR4A but not the hard center section.? I don't know how many they ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!!? The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you were in a hurry.? It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy in execution!!!? Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal.? It just bolted on in place of the convertible frame.? Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsche refined it and called it a Targa.!!! hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: This car appears to be a Targa Top car.? I had never noticed it before, but this makes sense for racing.? I don't know if they ever made a true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.? I've never seen one.? If not, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place.? I have seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.? Just an observation.? Any comments? Jack On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot wrote: I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them with the FOT.? It is my understanding the grills used on the 60?s Triumph Works TR4s? engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Triumph Herald.? Here?s a pair for sale.? (Old TR4 pics from the web just for reference) I have no connection with the seller. ?Justin 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle... https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/riverside-1962-triumph-herald-grills/7183827115.html_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know if you?d like me to walk you through it. -john > On Aug 31, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: > > ? > For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8 Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use? > Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi record then play back > Via a split screen? > > Thanks > Walter Hollowell > Albuquerque, New Mexico > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: