From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Wed Jan 1 05:56:38 2020 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Hi Glenn, Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. Tim Hutchisen Penn Ridge Motors Norway, ME From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM To: FOT list Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again Happy New Year Quick Question I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brakey6666 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 06:23:27 2020 From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 08:23:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances > where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone > clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake > ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two > or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will > release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit > Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover > off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It > eventually worked it's way in with time. > > Tim Hutchisen > > Penn Ridge Motors > > Norway, ME > > > > *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Glenn > Franco via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > *To:* FOT list > *Subject:* [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > > > Happy New Year > > Quick Question > > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one > that's been giving us fits. > > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper > overdrive shaft for the A-type. > > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply > pistons. > > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft > flange with an electric motor. > > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will > not drop. > > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was > loosened to relieve the pressure. > > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be > locked up and will not spin. > > Any ideas?? > > Thanks in advance > > Glenn > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4jay at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 06:54:15 2020 From: tr4jay at gmail.com (Jay Galbreath) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 08:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. Jay Galbreath WPTA On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen > wrote: > >> Hi Glenn, >> >> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances >> where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone >> clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake >> ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two >> or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will >> release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit >> Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover >> off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >> eventually worked it's way in with time. >> >> Tim Hutchisen >> >> Penn Ridge Motors >> >> Norway, ME >> >> >> >> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Glenn >> Franco via Fot >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM >> *To:* FOT list >> *Subject:* [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >> >> >> >> Happy New Year >> >> Quick Question >> >> I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one >> that's been giving us fits. >> >> Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper >> overdrive shaft for the A-type. >> >> The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the >> apply pistons. >> >> The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. >> >> The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft >> flange with an electric motor. >> >> The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will >> not drop. >> >> The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was >> loosened to relieve the pressure. >> >> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be >> locked up and will not spin. >> >> Any ideas?? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Glenn >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 1 07:57:37 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jay.? I'm glad that worked for you.? But 90 Wt. is pretty thick.? I used it when I first started racing in 1974, but eventually was persuaded by knowledgeable Triumph experts that 50 Wt. or even 30 Wt would reduce friction and improve performance.? Now that you have fixed the sticking problem you might give it a try. Jack On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 9:01:40 AM EST, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem.Jay GalbreathWPTA On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen wrote: Hi Glenn, Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. Tim Hutchisen Penn Ridge Motors Norway, ME ? From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM To: FOT list Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again ? Happy New Year Quick Question I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance Glenn ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 1 08:03:03 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 10:03:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: In the gearbox that Tim is referring to, I used a brand new re-lined cone clutch in an OD unit that came from Bill Dentinger with Old Blue. No clue what the history of the unit was, but the cone clutch stuck to the brake ring in earnest for a several sessions. Operating pressure is in the low 400's. I did replace the oil with Redline MT-90 during my efforts to get the OD to release, and I am assuming the MT-90 helped. As Tim said, there were several laps around the paddock that first weekend with the car with the gearbox cover off and a mallet in hand, but it wasn't until the second weekend out with the car that the cone clutch released by itself. It is worth noting I didn't like the shifting feel with the Redline and went back to Brad Penn gear oil. That OD unit has been in the car for 20 race weekends now, and other than the need to bed in the cone clutch, it has performed flawlessly. Those A-types have proven pretty robust for me. Henry On 2020-01-01 08:54, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly > fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Glenn, >>> >>> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of >>> instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you >>> installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be >>> an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick >>> when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior >>> of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. >>> Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few >>> years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off >>> and exercising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >>> eventually worked it's way in with time. >>> ~~~ >>> FROM: Glenn Franco via Fot >>> SUBJECT: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >>> >>> >>> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to >>> be locked up and will not spin. >>> >>> Any ideas?? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Glenn From 4msonset at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 08:08:14 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:08:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <14E2A37B-E6D0-474A-B0A9-257BDE535A5E@gmail.com> Lev Andropov: ?This is how we fix problem in the Russian space station!? [hits panel with tool] -- Lev Andropov Armageddon (1998) ? > On Jan 1, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Tim Hutchisen via Fot wrote: > > Hi Glenn, > Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. > Tim Hutchisen > Penn Ridge Motors > Norway, ME > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > To: FOT list > Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > Happy New Year > Quick Question > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. > Any ideas?? > Thanks in advance > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Jan 1 08:36:23 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 15:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> Message-ID: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. Happy New Year! to all!? Rick On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. Howdy do? Dave H. 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Name: Roll bar.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 797782 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 08:51:18 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 09:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don?t forget that gearbox fluid doesn?t use the same measuring scale as engine oil. Duncan On Jan 1, 2020, 8:58 AM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: > Hi Jay.? I'm glad that worked for you.? But 90 Wt. is pretty thick.? I used it when I first started racing in 1974, but eventually was persuaded by knowledgeable Triumph experts that 50 Wt. or even 30 Wt would reduce friction and improve performance.? Now that you have fixed the sticking problem you might give it a try. > > Jack > > On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 9:01:40 AM EST, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > > > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen wrote: > > > Hi Glenn, > > > Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. > > > Tim Hutchisen > > > Penn Ridge Motors > > > Norway, ME > > > > > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot > > > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > > > To: FOT list > > > Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > > > > > Happy New Year > > > Quick Question > > > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. > > > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. > > > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. > > > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > > > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. > > > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. > > > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. > > > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. > > > Any ideas?? > > > Thanks in advance > > > Glenn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 7:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In the gearbox that Tim is referring to, I used a brand new re-lined cone clutch in an OD unit that came from Bill Dentinger with Old Blue. No clue what the history of the unit was, but the cone clutch stuck to the brake ring in earnest for a several sessions. Operating pressure is in the low 400's. I did replace the oil with Redline MT-90 during my efforts to get the OD to release, and I am assuming the MT-90 helped. As Tim said, there were several laps around the paddock that first weekend with the car with the gearbox cover off and a mallet in hand, but it wasn't until the second weekend out with the car that the cone clutch released by itself. It is worth noting I didn't like the shifting feel with the Redline and went back to Brad Penn gear oil. That OD unit has been in the car for 20 race weekends now, and other than the need to bed in the cone clutch, it has performed flawlessly. Those A-types have proven pretty robust for me. Henry On 2020-01-01 08:54, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly > fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Glenn, >>> >>> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of >>> instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you >>> installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be >>> an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick >>> when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior >>> of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. >>> Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few >>> years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off >>> and exercising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >>> eventually worked it's way in with time. >>> ~~~ >>> FROM:? Glenn Franco via Fot >>> SUBJECT: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >>> >>> >>> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to >>> be locked up and will not spin. >>> >>> Any ideas?? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 09:22:33 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 10:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What about older cars with older style roll bars. My TR4 has been upgraded since its original roll hoop from the 1960?s but has no side impact bars. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > > ? > If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. > > Happy New Year! to all! > > Rick > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: > > > Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. > Howdy do? > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorne.fritz at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 09:47:28 2020 From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 11:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] sway bars Message-ID: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 1 09:58:59 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> Yes. Addco will make bars to your design and specifications. Greg Solow had a bunch of 7/8" bars made by them years ago and recently had another run made. I have one on my TR3. I had communicated with Addco and they said they could build one-offs to my specs. Dave H. > On January 1, 2020 at 8:47 AM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 1 10:08:15 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 09:08:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2011882439.152794.1577898496267@connect.xfinity.com> Thank you for the advice and design recommendation, Rick. So SVRA will not let me race in any of their events with my current set-up? Dave H. > On January 1, 2020 at 7:36 AM Rick Parent wrote: > > > If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. > > Happy New Year! to all! > > Rick > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: > > > Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. > Howdy do? > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 10:24:42 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 11:24:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13849867-5693-4120-AFF5-903527F1BA80@gmail.com> I used the Addco bar and fabricated the mounts on my TR3A Street Car. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 1 11:54:47 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <091d2b4c635c0784ce81c5bd526d212b@tr4racer.com> Hi Rick, Can you point us to the SVRA reg that requires the 2 side impact bars? I'm planning on bringing Old Blue to Mid-Ohio next year and the TR3 has exactly zero side impact bars! Henry On 2020-01-01 10:36, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jan 1 12:09:56 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:09:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <745541166.627726.1577905796726@mymail.optimum.net> Happy New Year! I too am looking for a front sway bar for my TR3. 7/8" to 1" Greg Solow, could you contact me off list or can someone give me Greg's contact info. Thanks in advance Todd Redmond > On January 1, 2020 at 11:58 AM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > > Yes. Addco will make bars to your design and specifications. Greg Solow had a bunch of 7/8" bars made by them years ago and recently had another run made. I have one on my TR3. I had communicated with Addco and they said they could build one-offs to my specs. > Dave H. > > On January 1, 2020 at 8:47 AM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 12:45:26 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:45:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Budget. Kastner Cup Funding. FOT ENTRY FEE References: Message-ID: <4D418182-FD12-4291-8F15-11B92B1B692A@gmail.com> ?????????????????????????????- > FOT: > > We need to fund this Kastner Cup. SVRA is providing a FREE ENTRY FEE, but not our expenses. > > We are looking for a FOT KASTNER CUP ENTRY FEE from each entrant. This would be at a rate of $125 for each registered driver. > > Expense Include: > > Kas Kastner?s Travel Expenses and Honorarium > Golf Car Rental for Kas. > Kastner Cup Awards > Hospitality Tents (2) > Refreshments. > Event Posters. > Lanyards > Miscellaneous > > We are also accepting Sponsorships and Donations. > > We have opened a dedicated checking account for this Kastner Cup only. Make payment to JH Alexander, at the address below. I will also accept PayPal Payments at N197tr4 at cs.com. Please send monies to ?Friend? to avoid charges. These monies will be transferred to the Kastner Cup Checking Account. Please describe payment as ?Entry Fee? or ?Donation?. > > Marty Sukey has his hand on the tiller of what will be the most significant Kastner Cup in the Series. It will happen with everyone?s support. $125 entry fee is an enormous bargain, and our thanks to SVRA for waiving their entry fee. > > Don?t hesitate to start the process, we are writing checks now. Thank you very much. > > Highest Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > From barry at penybryn.ca Wed Jan 1 14:35:22 2020 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anti roll bar Message-ID: <004801d5c0eb$64c04f30$2e40ed90$@ca> Hi Todd and Lorne - Take a look at what Speedway Engineering have to offer - custom made solid and tubular bars. http://1speedway.com/index.php?route=product/product &path=81&product_id=113 Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take a look at what Speedway Engineering have to offer ? custom made solid and tubular bars.   http://1speedway.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=81&product_id=113   Barry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 2 06:06:41 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:06:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1061457210.270120238.1577970401425.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It is not that difficult to make a sway bar yourself or have it made by someone who can weld. You can find the details to make it adjustable in one of the books of Kas Kastner. A TR3 mostly needs a front sway bar only, and an adjustable one is very useful, even on a road car. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 1 januari 2020 17:47:28 Onderwerp: [Fot] sway bars Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 2 16:24:42 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:24:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for my road TR-4 engine rebuild Message-ID: Good afternoon, I am rebuilding my TR-4 engine and if you're like me you have some parts around you might never use that would be better turned back into cash, perhaps I can help. I need: Cam bearings .010" oversize engine bearings a Piston and liner set 86 mm or some such timing sprockets and chains rear seal and alignment tool Probably more stuff I haven't thought of yet. Let me know! 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So, once again, if you are legal racing with your home organization without door bars you will not have an issue racing at the Kastner Cup. In addition, here is the deal regarding slicks at Mid-Ohio. Take them off and put treaded tires on. You will NOT be allowed to race at the Mid-Ohio event with slicks. Sorry. Marty Sukey 2020 K-Cup Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 3 07:06:32 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:06:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> Message-ID: So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which group would be best for me given my location in Utah. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: killer_01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 42434 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Jan 3 07:12:26 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 09:12:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage Message-ID: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 09:16:41 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 11:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their > website. > I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more > strict. > While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a > few pages. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > > > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was > >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) > >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such > >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, > >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > > > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for > >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without > >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which > >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > > > >mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jan 3 10:22:10 2020 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:22:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: References: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra ! Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony Garmey Www.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 3 11:16:21 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Tony...?Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had?in the mid-1980s. ?Just because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event.? While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine,?and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. Bill Dentinger? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 3, 2020,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis ?rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra !? Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony ?GarmeyWww.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc).? Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes.?? On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 3 11:16:21 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Tony...?Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had?in the mid-1980s. ?Just because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event.? While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine,?and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. Bill Dentinger? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 3, 2020,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis ?rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra !? Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony ?GarmeyWww.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc).? Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes.?? On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This would be at a rate of $125 for each registered driver. > > Expense Include: > > Kas Kastner?s Travel Expenses and Honorarium > Golf Car Rental for Kas. > Kastner Cup Awards > Hospitality Tents (2) > Refreshments. > Event Posters. > Lanyards > Miscellaneous > > We are also accepting Sponsorships and Donations. > > We have opened a dedicated checking account for this Kastner Cup only. Make payment to JH Alexander, at the address below. I will also accept PayPal Payments at N197tr4 at cs.com. Please send monies to ?Friend? to avoid charges. These monies will be transferred to the Kastner Cup Checking Account. Please describe payment as ?Entry Fee? or ?Donation?. > > Marty Sukey has his hand on the tiller of what will be the most significant Kastner Cup in the Series. It will happen with everyone?s support. $125 entry fee is an enormous bargain, and our thanks to SVRA for waiving their entry fee. > > Don?t hesitate to start the process, we are writing checks now. Thank you very much. > > Highest Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 17:06:13 2020 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:06:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yup. Tack it together the way you want it and have a certified welder do the final. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:16 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Tony... > > Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had in the mid-1980s. ?Just > because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We > trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event. > > While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work > satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine, and I would do > the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. > > Bill Dentinger > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! > > Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / > roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis > rigidity and aesthetics. > > Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires > a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... > so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that > organization. Start with Svra ! > > Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. > > Tony Garmey > Www.horizonracing.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: > > You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, > SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for > period correct classes. > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: > > You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their > website. > I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more > strict. > While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a > few pages. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > > > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was > >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) > >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such > >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, > >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > > > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for > >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without > >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which > >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > > > >mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jan 4 12:42:34 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 19:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <35816E5A-CE08-4615-A860-D81202D9B9DD.ref@cs.com> <35816E5A-CE08-4615-A860-D81202D9B9DD@cs.com>, <702153836.4385005.1578155165160@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jan 4 13:37:35 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:37:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Laguna video Message-ID: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> Hello Friends, I finally got a video edited and posted on YouTube from the Rolex race weekend last August. I didn't get the feature race on video, but the qualifying race was pretty good with some good action. Please give it a view. The ex-Dick Gulstrand '57 Corvette was great competition. On the grid for the feature race, the driver introduced himself and said he found a broken rocker arm after the qualifying race. I was able to finish in front of him in the race. Perhaps the engine broke 2 rocker arms during this one. Dave H. https://youtu.be/-F3epEMkGeI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 16:33:06 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:33:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT faithful. > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. > > 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Jan 4 17:14:48 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 00:14:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> References: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> Message-ID: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 17:36:40 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 16:36:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> References: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: My car raced on slicks when it ran Trans Am in 1971. I Always found it strange that I can?t do the same now. Chuck > On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > ? Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. >> >> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >> >> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. >> >> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> FOT faithful. >>> >>> >>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>> >>> If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>> >>> 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>> 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>> >>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>> >>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Marty Sukey >>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 18:00:41 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 17:00:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: [image: IMG_3345 (Large).jpg] Amici, Above is an image of the circa 1976 Goodyear Bluestreak Sportscar Special bias ply tires that came off the Spitfire. You can see they are about 25% wider and are not treaded. The former driver could run about 1.5 seconds a lap faster with an FP car than our current DP TR4's are running at WIllow Springs. Food for comparison... *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:36 PM wrote: > My car raced on slicks when it ran Trans Am in 1971. I Always found it > strange that I can?t do the same now. > > Chuck > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > > ? Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They > agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. > > Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. > > I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming > pretty limited for our cars. > > A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all > vintage organizations... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT faithful. > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have > come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the > Mid-Ohio event. > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in > the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it > will be 12a or 12b. > > 12a is on track with group 6. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > 12b is on track with group 8. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and > also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked > with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to > bed. > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ?FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? Thanks,Marty SukeyEvent Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jan 4 18:37:01 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 01:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ?FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? Thanks,Marty SukeyEvent Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Sat Jan 4 19:50:25 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 02:50:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The door is closed on this issue. > > If you have any questions (do not ask him anymore more about Hoosier S7 tires, that ship is out of port) about other tires or any other tech related items please email SVRA head of tech Rick Parent at rick at svra.com and he will do his best to help you. Oh, and please ask him nicely, he truly is on our side. And when this event is all wrapped up at the track on Sunday, buy him a beer, he is going to need it. > > Marty Sukey > 2020 Kastner Cup Event Chair. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The door is closed on this issue. > > If you have any questions (do not ask him anymore more about Hoosier S7 tires, that ship is out of port) about other tires or any other tech related items please email SVRA head of tech Rick Parent at rick at svra.com and he will do his best to help you. Oh, and please ask him nicely, he truly is on our side. And when this event is all wrapped up at the track on Sunday, buy him a beer, he is going to need it. > > Marty Sukey > 2020 Kastner Cup Event Chair. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jan 5 08:19:31 2020 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:19:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jan 5 09:45:58 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:45:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: > I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and > had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. > Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. > > > > Vince > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > > wrote: > >> Toyo 888's >> >> >> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > > >> Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. >> >> FOR SHAME! >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via >> Fot?>?wrote: >> >> Slicks on vintage cars? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February >>> here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they >>> brung. >>> >>> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >>> >>> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are >>> becoming pretty limited for our cars. >>> >>> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for >>> all vintage organizations... >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> FOT faithful. >>>> >>>> >>>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup >>>> Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier >>>> R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>>> >>>> ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in >>>> group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on >>>> you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>>> >>>> 12a is on track with group 6. >>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>>> 12b is on track with group 8. >>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>>> >>>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>>> >>>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all >>>> weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on >>>> Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a >>>> difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Marty Sukey >>>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 10:33:29 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:33:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna video In-Reply-To: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> References: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Dave, Thanks for sharing...looked like some great fun on a classic track! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:45 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Hello Friends, > I finally got a video edited and posted on YouTube from the Rolex race > weekend last August. I didn't get the feature race on video, but the > qualifying race was pretty good with some good action. Please give it a > view. > The ex-Dick Gulstrand '57 Corvette was great competition. On the grid for > the feature race, the driver introduced himself and said he found a broken > rocker arm after the qualifying race. I was able to finish in front of him > in the race. Perhaps the engine broke 2 rocker arms during this one. > Dave H. > https://youtu.be/-F3epEMkGeI > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jan 5 14:14:10 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:14:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Message-ID: They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height.? Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Great attitude. > > Another thought: Yokohama A048. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: >> I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and >> had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. >> Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. >> >> >> >> Vince >> >> On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot >> > wrote: >> >>> Toyo 888's >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot >> > >>> Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. >>> >>> FOR SHAME! >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>> >>> On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via >>> Fot?>?wrote: >>> >>> Slicks on vintage cars? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February >>>> here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they >>>> brung. >>>> >>>> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >>>> >>>> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are >>>> becoming pretty limited for our cars. >>>> >>>> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for >>>> all vintage organizations... >>>> >>>> Brad Eells >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> FOT faithful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup >>>>> Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the >>>>> Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>>>> >>>>> ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in >>>>> group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on >>>>> you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>>>> >>>>> 12a is on track with group 6. >>>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>>>> 12b is on track with group 8. >>>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>>>> >>>>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>>>> >>>>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all >>>>> weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on >>>>> Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a >>>>> difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Marty Sukey >>>>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jan 5 14:44:31 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 22:44:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> Not good news. I didn?t know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. 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URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Sun Jan 5 18:25:51 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. Stephen ---------------------------------------- From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. Not good news. I didn't know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I've run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn't make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Mon Jan 6 06:43:04 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:43:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Stephen,?You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires do give? some notice before heading for the grass. -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. I run the 195/60/13?Toyo R888's, DOT rated.?They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session.?The only down side for myself is they?don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. ? Stephen ? ? ? From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? Not good news. I didn?t know that they stop production. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height.? Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. ?Drive accordingly and?Just get out and enjoy.? ? ? Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? FOR SHAME! ? Bill Dentinger ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com ? On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: ? Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone ? On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. ? Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. ? I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. ? A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone ? On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. ? ? After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ? ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. ? 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf ? All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. ? This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? ? Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup ? ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? 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You could change the diameter with pressure changes and really make fine adjustments to handling while the Michilins (only radials at the time) were slugs and though great grip when you finally got the pressure right, but I always thought a quick trip to slow lap times.. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:31 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires > do give some notice before heading for the grass. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Jones via Fot > Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and > directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold > up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to > come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the > session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of > warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with > too much throttle exiting corners. > > Stephen > > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Chris Marx via Fot" > *Sent*: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM > *To*: "fot at autox. team. net" > *Subject*: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > Not good news. > > I didn?t know that they stop production. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Tony Drews via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 > *An:* fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > > They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. > > Tony D > > On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Great attitude. > > Another thought: Yokohama A048. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: > > I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had > fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive > accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. > > > > > > Vince > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: > > Toyo 888's > > > > > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > > FOR SHAME! > > > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > > > > Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They > agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. > > > > Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. > > > > I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming > pretty limited for our cars. > > > > A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all > vintage organizations... > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > > FOT faithful. > > > > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have > come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the > Mid-Ohio event. > > > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in > the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it > will be 12a or 12b. > > > > 12a is on track with group 6. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > > 12b is on track with group 8. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and > also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked > with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to > bed. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Mon Jan 6 16:15:22 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <20200106143147.20C1CA1259@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <939d5f25c1c5486b8165583697e92fee@toast.net> Hi Rick. Going to try a set of time Hoosiers again next time I purchase tires which is soon. I have used them in the past. Good chance my driving style has something to contribute, which I am working on. The Hoosiers seemed to fade half way through a session and the adhesion confidence dropped after six or seven sessions. Budget vs performance plays a role also. I am testing at Wild Horse in Phoenix in a few weeks. Always open to improving those lap times. Lastly, having grass to run off on sounds wonderful as opposed to the ruts, gravel and dust storm produced here in the desert. Cheers. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kas Kastner" Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:54 PM To: "Rick Parent" Cc: 6t9gt6 at toast.net, "fot at autox. team. net" , "MadMarx" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. When I was racing in the 50's I loved the bias tires . You could change the diameter with pressure changes and really make fine adjustments to handling while the Michilins (only radials at the time) were slugs and though great grip when you finally got the pressure right, but I always thought a quick trip to slow lap times.. Never be beaten by equipment. On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:31 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: Hi Stephen, You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires do give some notice before heading for the grass. -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. Stephen ---------------------------------------- From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. Not good news. I didn't know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I've run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn't make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 7 17:25:04 2020 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 18:25:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. Any idea? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 18:04:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 19:04:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: <341EE6DB-3CC2-49DD-9CEA-BC6840DC20A6@gmail.com> Wires! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 7 18:17:35 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 7 18:17:35 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 18:58:28 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 17:58:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> Original Minilites are still available... VTO makes knockoffs of several classic styles Then there?s the repro Silverstones... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Jan 7 19:13:29 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 02:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1407200045.5381395.1578449609753@mail.yahoo.com> How do you think Revolutions would look? ? I like being one of the few with them; but maybe the look would work on the Ambro too? ? Revolution will create a custom offset at no extra charge. ? I was able to duplicate what my TR4 had on it from racing?back in the early 70?s ?to present: Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 8:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Original Minilites are still available... VTO makes knockoffs of several classic styles Then there?s the repro Silverstones... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He knew how to carry speed?through a corner.?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, January 7, 2020,?MACDONALD via Fot??wrote: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jan 7 20:04:49 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 03:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= References: <1334762760.8292271.1578452689674.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334762760.8292271.1578452689674@mail.yahoo.com> Don Brick always ran wires on his TR4 (a handicap?)??But I always thought he was the best driver in our tent. He knew how to carry speed?through a corner.?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, January 7, 2020,?MACDONALD via Fot??wrote: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 106815 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ?Wires! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. >> >> Any idea? >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 21:10:23 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:10:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Just like Ken Miles! In-Reply-To: <191680C8-9939-4698-8A29-FA304A9881DD@gmail.com> References: <191680C8-9939-4698-8A29-FA304A9881DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice pic! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ? > > > > Chuck_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 08:52:56 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:52:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl Message-ID: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 8 09:25:27 2020 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:25:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup. 2020. FOT Entry Fees and Donations References: <5CEB05FD-2400-418A-A5BD-E19C69F5E84A.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <5CEB05FD-2400-418A-A5BD-E19C69F5E84A@cs.com> FOT: We had a remarkable surge of entries and donations. Thank you. Led by Marty Sukey, Chair, the Kastner Cup Committee has a great program in the planning. You won?t be disappointed. FOT Entry Fee $125. Checks to: JH Alexander PayPal to: N197tr4 at cs.com Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jan 8 10:27:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RHD steering box References: Message-ID: Does anyone have for sale a RHD steering box for a TR2 or early 3 (long column)? If not, does anyone have a useable worm gear and pin assembly? Thanks, Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jan 8 11:11:48 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:11:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] RHD steering box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <758922199.753920.1578507108922@mymail.optimum.net> Phil, I believe I still have my left hand drive steering column and box. If that would work. I can check when I get home tonight. Let me know Todd > On January 8, 2020 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > > Does anyone have for sale a RHD steering box for a TR2 or early 3 (long column)? If not, does anyone have a useable worm gear and pin assembly? > Thanks, > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 12:36:57 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:36:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Tom Householder Message-ID: <2ABB533B-235F-4C03-B50B-6EC3D030952B@gmail.com> Has anyone had contact with Tom Householder? Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 8 14:11:40 2020 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> References: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233842222.5670953.1578517900807@mail.yahoo.com> I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 8 14:38:38 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1960/61 TR3A References: <78665250.8755100.1578519518058.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78665250.8755100.1578519518058@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... I was watching the Mecum auction in Kissimmee, Florida. ?A very nice 60 or 61 TR3A sold for $16,000.00 (which appeared to be the seller?s reserve). ?BRG, fancy spoke wheels, nice car. ?Seemed pretty cheap to me. ?I know what it takes to make one look nice like that. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 8 14:55:14 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 16:23:55 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:23:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. ?He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. ?He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. Duncan On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. > > Thank you. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 8 16:25:20 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <807872259.8821465.1578525920288.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <807872259.8821465.1578525920288@mail.yahoo.com> If you?re?willing to pay a fee, Greg Solow (The Engine Room) would be a Top Shelf MOGAN?inspector. ?He is in Santa Cruz. I am not sure if that is near Beverly?Hills, however. ?Steve Belfer (Mike?s son)?maybe closer. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 16:35:15 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:35:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Message-ID: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > Jack, > > I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. He works on > Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. He likely > knows BHCC?s reputation too. > > Duncan > On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , > wrote: > > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I > might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I > don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they > advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty > knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's > advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a > very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that > confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't > think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection > fee to cover your time and mileage. I'm still in the negotiating stage, so > it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next > couple of weeks. > > Thank you. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jan 8 16:39:37 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419@mail.yahoo.com> Greg solow. The engine room MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious?needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm?? Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car.? He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about.? He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. DuncanOn Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. 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URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jan 8 16:39:37 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419@mail.yahoo.com> Greg solow. The engine room MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious?needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm?? Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car.? He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about.? He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. DuncanOn Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. 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URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 8 16:50:44 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:50:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Message-ID: <218EDB6E-C624-42B7-BDD5-0D89FE0A5F68@comcast.net> Greg might chime in on this, but I know that very recently he was in that area and might not be back down there soon. Greg lives in Santa Cruz, about 350 miles north of Hollywood. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Jack, > > I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious needs and it may be priced accordingly. > > https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm > > Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: >> Jack, >> >> I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. >> >> Duncan >>> On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: >>> I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. >>> >>> While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage. I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Jack Wheeler >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 17:14:09 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:14:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> References: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dick Stockton has a Facebook page, "The 71 Crowd". 1 post since December 2018. You could potentially send a message through the page and see what happens... *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:53 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? > > Thanks > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 17:20:00 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:20:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Contacts Made Message-ID: Thanks everyone. I have made contacts today with everyone I was looking for. Directly or Indirectly. The list is quite alive and well. Great to see. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rustytr4 at aol.com Thu Jan 9 05:12:15 2020 From: rustytr4 at aol.com (rustytr4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl References: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108@mail.yahoo.com> All, I spoke with Dick about?3 weeks ago, talked about cars of course, but other wise seemed ok.?Matt???-----Original Message----- From: Steven Benford Jr via Fot To: Joe Alexander ; FOT Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2020 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rustytr4 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 9 06:50:00 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 08:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dick is planning on coming with his TR4 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Matt Bakes via Fot wrote: > > ? > All, I spoke with Dick about 3 weeks ago, talked about cars of course, but other wise seemed ok. > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Benford Jr via Fot > To: Joe Alexander ; FOT > Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2020 4:12 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl > > I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home > > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? > > Thanks > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rustytr4 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu Jan 9 07:09:07 2020 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:09:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> Hi Jack, i have no personal experience with BHMC, but as a regular reader of "Bring A trailer". they do not have a very good reputation.  Just a heads up. John   On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.  However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.  Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.  Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country.   While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.  I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.  I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks.   Thank you.   Jack Wheeler  _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 07:38:43 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 06:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: Beverly Hills Car Club Inc. | Better Business Bureau? Profile https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/los-angeles/profile/classic-car-dealers/beverly-hills-car-club-inc-1216-354246 > On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:09 AM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi Jack, > > i have no personal experience with BHMC, but as a regular reader of "Bring A trailer". > they do not have a very good reputation. Just a heads up. > > John > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage. I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. > > Thank you. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 9 14:24:18 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:24:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup Message-ID: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. 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If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 9 15:33:13 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ Forms | SVRA SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. Thank you Marty mike h [image: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1913181 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 12:23:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:23:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Outstanding! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here but when I tried it on, it was too big. > > I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked me through my options. > > Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. > > Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. > > Thank you Marty > > mike h > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jan 10 12:24:40 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 19:24:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It has been my experience that the shirts tend to run a little large. Room to grow ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:56 PM To: FoTTriumph Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here but when I tried it on, it was too big. I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked me through my options. Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. Thank you Marty mike h [IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1913181 bytes Desc: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 13:04:57 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:04:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I ordered mine about the same time, free shipping and free embroidery, nice Christmas present to myself Don't like the fact that Mike and I are both in a medium, me 5'4 and he 6'2, hmmmmm one of us is bigger around than he is tall? B On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 2:35 PM marty via Fot wrote: > It has been my experience that the shirts tend to run a little large. Room > to grow ? > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Mike Harmuth via > Fot > *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 1:56 PM > *To:* FoTTriumph > *Subject:* [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End > > I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, > pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, > Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here > but when I tried it on, it was too big. > > I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after > calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under > a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked > me through my options. > > Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been > no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great > and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I > say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. > > Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you > an idea on sizing. > > Thank you Marty > > mike h > [image: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SVRA is not making money on our entry but they are really going to make this a big deal for us. In order to know how much they need to commit they need to know a realistic count, really! Come on, 39 entries at this point? SVRA will be printing up the Hero Cards for all the Triumph drivers. They will need a high resolution picture of you car for these cards. At some point they will be asking you for a picture, this notice should give you time to find one. Oh, when I am saying big things are in the works, I'm not talking about the hero cards. ? Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Jan 11 03:42:25 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:42:25 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> Where is this Lands Ends FoT store? Can't find it on landsend.com under FoT or Friends of Triumph! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 10 January 2020 20:05 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 06:08:19 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 08:08:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> References: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: John, it's in western Cornwall. If you mean the FOT Store info: from Marty Sukey 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/ 2, set up an account for yourself and log in. 3, pick an item you might want. 4, click on apply logo, 5, select the FOT logo, 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed. 7, select location. 8, hit apply logo. 9, hit cancel or add to bag. mike h On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:42 AM John Davaies via Fot wrote: > Where is this Lands Ends FoT store? Can't find it on landsend.com > under > FoT or Friends of Triumph! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 10 January 2020 20:05 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 12 04:36:31 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 06:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Message-ID: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 12 08:21:39 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 08:21:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> References: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> Great, thanks!? I'll most likely be showing up with a friend, possibly 2.? We'll have to work out if we want to share a room or not.? And most likely I'll not choose the kid magnet waterpark place. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 12 08:45:24 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> References: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Please note: Best rate is reserve before March 1, 2020. -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Great, thanks! I'll most likely be showing up with a friend, possibly 2. We'll have to work out if we want to share a room or not. And most likely I'll not choose the kid magnet waterpark place. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 12 10:12:06 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:12:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car Message-ID: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the diff and lower the prop shaft. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 82400861_998967577149144_4637860262093783040_n.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 110398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 81726490_998965573816011_3650908053424832512_o.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 129940 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jan 12 12:10:23 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 19:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: <001601d5c8cb$960c9160$c225b420$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1732475816.6818749.1578856223926@mail.yahoo.com> I love it! As an FYI, there is a race at Indy, maybe the most Iconic race track in the world, the week before Mid Ohio. If you guys want to make a stop there as well we can help with the container issues, no worries. 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA | | | | 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA ? 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | | | | | | | | | SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 05:09:52 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: Are you running slicks? On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot wrote: Did I send you a pic of my car? If not how about this? John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jan 12 12:21:55 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:21:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <1732475816.6818749.1578856223926@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001601d5c8cb$960c9160$c225b420$@btinternet.com> <1732475816.6818749.1578856223926@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901d5c97d$8dae19f0$a90a4dd0$@gmail.com> Hi Rick, that would be tempting?but my flights are booked and I have no car over there. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Januar 2020 20:10 An: John Davaies ; John Styduhar Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 I love it! As an FYI, there is a race at Indy, maybe the most Iconic race track in the world, the week before Mid Ohio. If you guys want to make a stop there as well we can help with the container issues, no worries. 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA ? 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 05:09:52 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: Are you running slicks? On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot > wrote: Did I send you a pic of my car? If not how about this? John -----Original Message----- From: Fot > On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association.Geez I'm feeling old...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: John Styduhar ; marty Cc: FOT Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup <!--#yiv3062382358 DIV {margin:0px;}-->John, Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples.? I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewalsvra.com | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 14:40:25 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation > of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be > waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you > need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jan 12 15:16:23 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:16:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM To: fubog1 Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 > wrote: SVRA rules 32 years ago. Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. Geez I'm feeling old... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar >; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup John, Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty ________________________________ From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty >; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ Forms | SVRA SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal svra.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jan 12 15:26:16 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:26:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55A5E65D-342D-4F47-8458-66B93B30E675@att.net> Just out of curiosity, what do the European Sanctioning Bodies (Clubs) do when an American shows up at one of their events with safety gear that does not have the FIA Hologram on them and a car that is not prepped in compliance with their rules? Paul > On Jan 12, 2020, at 3:40 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 > wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > > To: John Styduhar >; marty > > Cc: FOT > > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot > wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty >; Mike Harmuth > > Cc: FOT > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Discounts are 2 stage. > > The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. > > After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. > Either way these are good rates for the area. > > > > There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn > has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. > > > > Reservations can be made on line or via phone: > > If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the > site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room > you are requesting. > > If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE *LCAR C *and identify > you are with* Friends of Triumph.* > > > > If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or > 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. > > > > JVV > > > > *Host Hotel Announcement* > > > > *We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group > members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. > We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. > Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart.* > > > > *We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has > given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the > track, just 10 minutes. * > > > > *Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: * > > *? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from > Franchise Services* > > *? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds * > > *? Free wireless high-speed internet service* > > *? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable* > > *? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment* > > *? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park > named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn* > > *? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium > waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, > and many other selections. * > > *? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels* > > *? 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 12 20:54:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B2FC4BD-4F88-4CB7-8F35-69822C906A9E@aol.com> I agree with Marty. But looking back at the Triumph Marque race at the Glen last year, if SVRA felt the car was beyond their rule set, they let the car run in the ?NC? or non/ conforming category. In other words, they?ll let you play one way or the other. As an NC car, you just did not get any trophies or podium position. Safety violations may put you out, but frankly, having looked at the rules, they are pretty much common sense and very similar to SCCA. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. > > > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM > To: fubog1 > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty ; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 12 20:54:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B2FC4BD-4F88-4CB7-8F35-69822C906A9E@aol.com> I agree with Marty. But looking back at the Triumph Marque race at the Glen last year, if SVRA felt the car was beyond their rule set, they let the car run in the ?NC? or non/ conforming category. In other words, they?ll let you play one way or the other. As an NC car, you just did not get any trophies or podium position. Safety violations may put you out, but frankly, having looked at the rules, they are pretty much common sense and very similar to SCCA. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. > > > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM > To: fubog1 > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty ; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 20:59:36 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 19:59:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> References: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing > the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. > Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. > > mjb. > > > Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail > regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race > car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. > > The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario > originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard > 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle > which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the > drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of > gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the > diff and lower the prop shaft. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [4] Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 Links: ------ [1] http://webmail.spectrum.net/HTTP://BIERTIJD.COM/MEDIAPLAYER/?ITEMID=47217 [2] http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 [3] http://biertijd.com [4] http://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 13 03:04:58 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 03:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: References: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9013818c-4a61-af0f-2b63-0279f3aa6ee8@bradakis.com> On 1/12/20 8:59 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you > haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great > would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid > for Kastner Cup! Well, there is the issue of mixing open wheel cars in the grid, but I would love to see the car. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 13 03:17:09 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 03:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <8cb22d07-a8d3-da7b-d5d1-08a0b6f6c677@bradakis.com> Wow! mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 05:46:20 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 06:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> Thanks Brad, It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner Cup grid would not be a good idea. Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup. This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing >> the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. >> Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail >> regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race >> car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. >> >> The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario >> originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard >> 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle >> which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the >> drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of >> gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the >> diff and lower the prop shaft. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4jay at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 06:36:34 2020 From: tr4jay at gmail.com (Jay Galbreath) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:36:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: All that fuel being poured down the back of your neck so scary. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:58 AM T. R. Householder via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > > > > > > *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > > > > > > *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* > > > *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is > amazing!* > > > * > http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 > * > Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > biertijd.com > Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) > > > > > ------------------------------ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:17:18 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <127174493.10733605.1578928638804.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <127174493.10733605.1578928638804@mail.yahoo.com> BOROX. ?Our way to Willow Springs we passed by the BOROX mine. ?"Twenty Mule Team Road" Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: On 1/13/20 6:36 AM, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > All that fuel being poured down the back of your neck so scary. It's okay, he soaked his underwear in Borox. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:54:14 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <479046538.10760798.1578930854078.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <479046538.10760798.1578930854078@mail.yahoo.com> Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 13 12:48:51 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:48:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [1] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [2] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. 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A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: > Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. > > Only to resurface now with this good stuff. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > >> On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! >>> >>> Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! >>> >>> >>> http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 14:56:17 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mordy, Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: Kas? Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: > > Triple From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 14:59:04 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? thanks mike On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Mordy, > > Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. > > You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration > fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. > Essentially this is a FREE entry. > > There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: > > Kas? Expenses > Tent & Accessories > Trophies > Golf Car for Kas. > Miscellaneous. > > Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. > Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are > sending donations even tho they will not be there. > > What a marvelous group of people! > > There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my > name. > > Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com > > Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. > > REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL > TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! > > > Best Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: > > > > Triple > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 15:03:22 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> This is a very good question. Rick Parent can answer that in a more detailed form. Thank you for asking. (I am not sure about the ?slapping? part). Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: > > ? > Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? > > thanks > mike > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Mordy, >> >> Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. >> >> You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. >> >> There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: >> >> Kas? Expenses >> Tent & Accessories >> Trophies >> Golf Car for Kas. >> Miscellaneous. >> >> Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. >> >> What a marvelous group of people! >> >> There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. >> >> Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. >> >> REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: >> > >> > Triple >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 15:55:25 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:55:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> References: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well...it has a Spitfire block... I guess that puts an end to my dream of driving a Gloria Southern Cross in a Kastner Cup some day. :-) *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:46 AM Joe Alexander wrote: > Thanks Brad, > > It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner > Cup grid would not be a good idea. > > Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are > eligible for the Kastner Cup. > > This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. > > Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire. > > Regards, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you > haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it > be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! > > Cheers, > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing >> the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. >> Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail >> regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race >> car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. >> >> The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario >> originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard >> 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle >> which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the >> drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of >> gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the >> diff and lower the prop shaft. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup.? This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire.? Regards, Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/? What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the diff and lower the prop shaft. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 16:12:53 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car References: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295@mail.yahoo.com> Brad... That was always a dream of mine as well. Gloria Southern Cross (Long Bonnet version). Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Well...it has a Spitfire block... I guess that puts an end to my dream of driving a Gloria Southern Cross in a Kastner Cup some day. :-) Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:46 AM Joe Alexander wrote: Thanks Brad, It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner Cup grid would not be a good idea.? Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup.? This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire.? Regards, Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/? What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the diff and lower the prop shaft. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html [1] Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. [2] [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [4] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [5] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:27:50 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:27:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> References: , <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will be answering that shortly. ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 5:03 PM To: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. This is a very good question. Rick Parent can answer that in a more detailed form. Thank you for asking. (I am not sure about the ?slapping? part). Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: ? Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? thanks mike On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: Mordy, Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: Kas? Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst > wrote: > > Triple _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:36:42 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: <6baeb66338ee1780353e698140a0320aece86349@webmail> References: <6baeb66338ee1780353e698140a0320aece86349@webmail> Message-ID: It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: > > ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html > > > > Tom > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net > Cc: "Joe Alexander" > Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 > > And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. >> >> Only to resurface now with this good stuff. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! >>>> >>>> Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 >>>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>>> biertijd.com >>>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look [1]https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html [2] Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. [3] [4] [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [6] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [7] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 SUBJECT: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 THIS IS REALLY COOL?! DON'T BLINK! CAR GUYS WILL LOVE THIS AND EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT A _'CAR GUY_', IT REALLY IS AMAZING! 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 16:52:43 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 References: <1841533862.11012935.1578959563773.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1841533862.11012935.1578959563773@mail.yahoo.com> Whatever/Whoever....but it was GREAT!!!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) ________________________________ No virus found in this message. 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If, due to the security risks, you do not wish to receive further communications via e-mail, please reply to this message and inform the sender that you do not wish to receive further e-mail . > On Jan 13, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > ?Mordy, > > Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. > > You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. > > There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: > > Kas? Expenses > Tent & Accessories > Trophies > Golf Car for Kas. > Miscellaneous. > > Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. > > What a marvelous group of people! > > There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. > > Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com > > Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. > > REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! > > > Best Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: >> >> Triple -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Jan 13 17:21:23 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <440596117.11004873.1578959772551.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <440596117.11004873.1578959772551@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1168048451.7303539.1578961283051@mail.yahoo.com> Not to worry, there?s some Triumph ?kids? on here as well. ? I had always planned on not getting old, but my Dad tells me that ?it?s better than the alternative.? ? Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, January 13, 2020, 7:10 PM, marty via Fot wrote: #yiv4141184569 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}You know you sent this to the FOT right?? ? Marty Youngsters...take note. ?Getting old is not?for the meek. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: AS I said before I've slowed down The mind ids the first to go............. ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Cc: "fot at autox.team.net", "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 6:36:42PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?!?? Don't blink! ????Car guys will love this and even if you'renot a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: AS I said before I've slowed down The mind ids the first to go............. -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Cc: "fot at autox.team.net", "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 6:36:42PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?!?? Don't blink! ????Car guys will love this and even if you'renot a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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Motoring on in NORCAL Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 13 23:29:35 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:29:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main.? I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. Cheers, Tony D On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Tue Jan 14 02:49:01 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 09:49:01 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and I will get one. But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to fill in these forms and pay the fee?? FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, SVRA or whatever? Thank you! John PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed that was OK. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 05:27:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 07:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 05:27:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 07:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:34:51 2020 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (Dick Stockton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 19:34:51 -0200 Subject: [Fot] bolts use arp studs dick Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:07:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> References: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> John: You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178083 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I > contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw > several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. > Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" > Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist > on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and > I will get one. > > But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! > "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to > fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card > Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to > help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to > let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North > America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to > fill in these forms and pay the fee?? > > FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK > to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined > to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit > more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I > have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, > SVRA or whatever? > > Thank you! > John > > PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A > working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read > that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed > that was OK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:07:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> References: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> John: You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178083 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I > contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw > several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. > Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" > Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist > on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and > I will get one. > > But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! > "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to > fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card > Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to > help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to > let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North > America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to > fill in these forms and pay the fee?? > > FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK > to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined > to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit > more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I > have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, > SVRA or whatever? > > Thank you! > John > > PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A > working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read > that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed > that was OK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 06:16:10 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 > (4.0?) > Just did this on Tony?s advice. > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center > main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > > > Cheers, Tony D > > > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear > head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what > are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:19:30 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> References: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> Message-ID: PS: All the forms and regulations you need are on the SVRA web site and can be down loaded from there. The referenced homologation forms are the normal FIA forms that define the basic specifications of the car. You don?t need to fill these out, but they make a handy source of information. I sweated about getting these but Found them easily on line. Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card >> Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined >> to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit >> more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:19:30 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> References: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> Message-ID: PS: All the forms and regulations you need are on the SVRA web site and can be down loaded from there. The referenced homologation forms are the normal FIA forms that define the basic specifications of the car. You don?t need to fill these out, but they make a handy source of information. I sweated about getting these but Found them easily on line. Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card >> Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined >> to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit >> more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 06:28:13 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:28:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <008e01d5cade$79628d70$6c27a850$@gmail.com> Always amazing what you all do to your engines. I do use ARP bolts for the head and the rods. Everything else is standard. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von John Styduhar via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 14:16 An: Phil Gott ; Nick Black Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Jan 14 08:43:15 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? Motoring on in NORCAL Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 08:51:58 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:51:58 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> References: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> Hi Rick, it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages.? ? Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much!? Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick!? So welcoming!? ? But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even? a "Crew Card >> Application"!? What?? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you!? Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall.? I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations.? I want to, I am determined >> to do so.? But I am a stranger in a strange land.? Please may I have a bit >> more guidance?? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the? papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required.? A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders"? ? I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>? fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>? fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>? fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Jan 14 09:17:32 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1815964333.7512208.1579018652287@mail.yahoo.com> All the K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group, if you would like to also race in a standard SVRA run group you will have to pay the standard SVRA entry fee in addition to the K Cup fee, we have 3 cars doing this already. So if you want to slap some MG guys around I'm good with that but be for warned they will slap back, metaphorically speaking of course, haha. On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:17:31 PM EST, mordy dunst via Fot wrote: How great! ? MdunstGasket Works USA LLC ?626.358.1616Triple R Munitions Inc. 626.201.9471 ??Perfection is an asymptotic ?process of pointing to a never ending integration of diminutive details- i.e. One can never be perfect.? ---------------- -SECURITY/CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING- This message (and any attachments) are intended solely for the individual or entity to which they are addressed. This communication may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure under applicable lae.g. research data, proprietary concepts, ?financial information). Because this e-mail I has been sent without encryption, individuals other than the intended recipient may be able to view the information, forward it to others or tamper with the information without the knowledge or consent of the sender. 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Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. ???Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: Triple _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 14 10:01:58 2020 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:01:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> References: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <802003408.178756.1579021319408@connect.xfinity.com> Ken Knight set mine up and milled the center main cap flat for better contact with the strap. jim g > On January 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. > > I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. > > The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 > An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer > Cc: FoTTriumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap > > > > Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. > > > > As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. > > > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? 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There is a practice day on Thursday for additional cost. * Dogs: Dogs are permitted, must be on a leash and you must pick up after them. * Sunday Night: We are permitted to spend Sunday night at the facility and depart on Monday, you will have to pull out of the paved paddock if you are there and park in the grass. We will have access to the Showers and bathroom Sunday night. * RV Dump Station: There is an RV dump station at the track. I have no idea how easy it is to get there though. * SVRA will be doing hero cards for all the Triumph drives. They will be asking for a picture from those that register at some point in time. Do not send pictures to me. * Saturday Dinner: The Saturday track dinner is NOT included in the free entry. * There is no electricity in the Paddock. * Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jan 14 10:42:15 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1766146197.11381996.1579023735460.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1766146197.11381996.1579023735460@mail.yahoo.com> A strap is an intermediate step. ? In my opinion unless that main cap is anchored to the block -?it moves. ?So,??I surface grind the main cap flat. ?Make a stout steel strap thick enough to almost be at level of block. ?Naturally?Appropriately dimensioned?-?legnth and width. ?Holes large enough within the strap?to accept 12 pt nuts on 1/2 studs. ?Additinal tapped holes in the cap?strap to secure the 1/2? plate. ? Sandwhiched oil pan gaskets top and bottom. ? I use a prepared stock crank- Not a?billet. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, January 14, 2020,?Bob Kramer via Fot??wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jan 14 11:11:06 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> I cant attach an image of setup on FOT email. So ill place photo on my instagram @gasket.works.? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, January 14, 2020,?JAMES GRAY via Fot??wrote: Ken Knight set mine up and milled the center main cap flat for better contact with the strap. jim g On January 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Rick, ? it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. ? Cheers Chris ? ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap ? Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. ? As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. ? On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? ? Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer ? ? On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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There is a practice day on Thursday for additional cost. > - Dogs: Dogs are permitted, must be on a leash and you must pick up > after them. > - Sunday Night: We are permitted to spend Sunday night at the facility > and depart on Monday, you will have to pull out of the paved paddock if you > are there and park in the grass. We will have access to the Showers and > bathroom Sunday night. > - RV Dump Station: There is an RV dump station at the track. I have no > idea how easy it is to get there though. > - SVRA will be doing hero cards for all the Triumph drives. They will > be asking for a picture from those that register at some point in time. Do > not send pictures to me. > - Saturday Dinner: The Saturday track dinner is NOT included in the > free entry. > - There is no electricity in the Paddock. > - Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, > Fuel Available > We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. > - Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane > - Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane > - 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane > - Premium Unleaded 93 Octane > > > > Marty Sukey > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dbm.spitfire at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jan 14 14:00:16 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 21:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the correct repair.Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits.Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded.Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen.You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally even all around the journal.When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side of the journal; it will be very obvious.At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still be there unless weight is reduced.This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. Glen On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? Motoring on in NORCAL Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 14:07:51 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:07:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> If the block is cracking from head stud to water jacket, it is normally caused by tightening the head studs in the block. To avoid cracks, run the studs in by hand, without any tool. That is enough. Tighten them will split the block. The torque of the head nuts are at the limit of what the block can take, that?s why the split in the thread hole zone when the studs are wrenched in. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von fubog1 via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 22:00 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the correct repair. Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally even all around the journal. When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side of the journal; it will be very obvious. At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still be there unless weight is reduced. This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. Glen On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? Motoring on in NORCAL Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:17:44 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:17:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken Gilanders and others advised us to chamfer those stud holes to prevent raised edges as well. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:00 PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the > correct repair. > Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good > up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well > balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. > Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight > heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. > Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore > and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. > You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very > carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally > even all around the journal. > When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side > of the journal; it will be very obvious. > At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still > be there unless weight is reduced. > This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. > > Glen > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:20:26 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed. Mine was a TR3 block and they had less meat than the later blocks, thus more susceptible to the cracking. The crack was only found when it got bigger, multiple head gaskets later. This was in 1997, before I knew any better. A healthy TR4 block was the permanent solution. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > If the block is cracking from head stud to water jacket, it is normally > caused by tightening the head studs in the block. > > To avoid cracks, run the studs in by hand, without any tool. That is > enough. > > Tighten them will split the block. > > > > The torque of the head nuts are at the limit of what the block can take, > that?s why the split in the thread hole zone when the studs are wrenched in. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *fubog1 via Fot > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 22:00 > *An:* fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Main brg strap > > > > That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the > correct repair. > > Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good > up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well > balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. > > Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight > heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. > > Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore > and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. > > You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very > carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally > even all around the journal. > > When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side > of the journal; it will be very obvious. > > At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still > be there unless weight is reduced. > > This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:38:48 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF5E278-DACF-4BFF-983B-4455F075E23E@yahoo.com> Yeah that stud at the drivers side rear of the block. I?ve kept it in check with sealant and lead washers for several years. The stud held torque but it now allows water up the stud and created a milkshake last time out. So, it?s time to refresh it and since I have another block... Would like to change my own block as well... Nick in norcal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:38:48 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF5E278-DACF-4BFF-983B-4455F075E23E@yahoo.com> Yeah that stud at the drivers side rear of the block. I?ve kept it in check with sealant and lead washers for several years. The stud held torque but it now allows water up the stud and created a milkshake last time out. So, it?s time to refresh it and since I have another block... Would like to change my own block as well... Nick in norcal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:48:03 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:48:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70039420-F6B7-4B71-A028-F83EF9183C07@yahoo.com> JOHN Once again you have saved the day with your info Thanks for the help from everyone... and now the fun starts Need more than a new coat of paint in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:16 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > ? > ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB > ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 > ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 > > longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB > > Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 > > center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) >> Just did this on Tony?s advice. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. >> > >> > Cheers, Tony D >> > >> >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:48:03 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:48:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70039420-F6B7-4B71-A028-F83EF9183C07@yahoo.com> JOHN Once again you have saved the day with your info Thanks for the help from everyone... and now the fun starts Need more than a new coat of paint in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:16 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > ? > ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB > ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 > ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 > > longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB > > Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 > > center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) >> Just did this on Tony?s advice. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. >> > >> > Cheers, Tony D >> > >> >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 12:35:38 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 19:35:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup overcrew and Dinner tickets Message-ID: Extra crew passes and dinner tickets can be purchased at the registration booth when you arrive at the track. Saturday dinner is not included in the free entry. Its nothing special at all. We will probably just cook out at the trailer that evening. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 15:38:53 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043991451.12199702.1579127933225@mail.yahoo.com> Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 15:53:03 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> Message-ID: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 15 16:36:55 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501@mail.yahoo.com> A GREAT lady! ?She blessed one of our Wine & Cheese parties once at Road America?with her presence. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 15, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 15 16:36:55 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501@mail.yahoo.com> A GREAT lady! ?She blessed one of our Wine & Cheese parties once at Road America?with her presence. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 15, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5579.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2818817 bytes Desc: IMG_5579.JPG URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 16:40:35 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:40:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: , <1043991451.12199702.1579127933225@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: I bet that got your attention. Marty ________________________________ From: Barr, Scott Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:38 PM To: marty ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] FOT photos Such as this? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of marty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT photos Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack? ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT photos Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jan 15 16:44:44 2020 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Various race bits of sale References: <1174194337.36850.1579131884346.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1174194337.36850.1579131884346@mail.yahoo.com> I parted out my TR6 race car.? Lots of the parts are for any racing application.? If anyone is interested, please email me at sherryjimmy6116 at att.net for photos, prices, etc. Here's what's for sale: Summit electric fuel pump Summit 12 gal fuel cell with multiple foam blocks Fuel distribution block for 3 carbs Braided gas line Heavy duty kill switch Off/On start switch HD canister fuel filter Triple Weber set up with late TR6 manifold Many Weber jets and parts 2 extra Weber DCOE carbs Lightweight alternator Oil cooler Crane Cams HI-6S ignition Crane Cams Fireball coil Header pipes for late TR6 wrapped with heat cloth Low (pretty much flat) tinted race windshield for TR6 Aluminum radiator shroud Aluminum gear box cover? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 17:18:35 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:18:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack? ? > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT photos > > Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 17:48:36 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> References: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <805293875.8132336.1579135717012@mail.yahoo.com> I didn?t quite get the full set from the USVGP, but my car sports a Shawn Frank signature photo. (father-son image no less). These cards are cool that SVRA does!?I should have thought to have all you guys sign them!! ?? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:18 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack??? Marty From: Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT photos?Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I should have thought to have all you guys sign them!! > > Dave G > [image: Inline image] > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:18 PM, Brad Eells via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda > looks like I'm leading the pack? ? > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Fot] FOT photos > > Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed > for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. > Message me or call. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 15 19:33:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen > held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and > D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), > so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, > I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close > enough that I could sneak in without being noticed. Unfortunately, my > Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of > the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". > > Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits > unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to > the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, > said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way. When > he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said > I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked > all day!" > > I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. > > Jack > > On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > > Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late > 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and > done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out > to the team. > > Times have changed. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 15 19:33:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen > held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and > D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), > so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, > I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close > enough that I could sneak in without being noticed. Unfortunately, my > Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of > the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". > > Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits > unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to > the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, > said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way. When > he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said > I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked > all day!" > > I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. > > Jack > > On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > > Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late > 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and > done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out > to the team. > > Times have changed. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 05:29:31 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:29:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you there Thanks Brian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > I won't touch that one... :-) > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I > could. > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, > maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of > the weekend. > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... > we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs > Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine > coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that > soon. > > This is getting exciting. > > See you all there!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WG16-2964 (1).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5531823 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 07:01:37 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:01:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard > others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember > to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. > I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled > with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn > from the manual. > > Suggestions? > > See you there > Thanks > Brian > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: > >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >> could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, >> maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of >> the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >> soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 16 08:46:17 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management of the K Cup directors. All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track with any SVRA run groups. All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear including a Fuel Cell. If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and we all know how much that is, nothing right?? You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a vacation. I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewalsvra.com | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 09:21:53 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:21:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, based on what you said, that is not what the entry form says: * Kastner Cup Triumph Featured Marque - SVRA Sprint Series - Triumphs select this option for Sprint Series - $100 Deposit Required - credit issued on green flag * On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Rick Parent wrote: > You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify > things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. > > SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management > of the K Cup directors. > > All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track > with any SVRA run groups. > > All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear > including a Fuel Cell. > > If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will > need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and > we all know how much that is, nothing right? > > You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour > Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. > lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there > was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a > vacation. > > > I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. > > > On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be > waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you > need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Thu Jan 16 10:08:15 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:08:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). -john John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > mike h > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>> >>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>> >>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>> >>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>> >>> This is getting exciting. >>> >>> See you all there!!! >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 16 10:27:02 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:27:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00795249-d1c4-c9d7-a969-312156f37065@tonydrews.com> Gopro cameras can't create files larger than 4 GB, so it creates multiple files.? Depending on the settings, you'll get more or less of them.? Go Pro has some free software you can use to put them together, I use a cheap video editing program instead.? The file size is due to the storage card, there's not much to be done about it. - Tony D On 1/16/2020 6:29 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've > heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when > I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it > stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so > minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what > I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. > > Suggestions? > > See you there > Thanks > Brian > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > > wrote: > > I won't touch that one... :-) > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone > if I could. > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us > again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full > sprint most of the weekend. > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a > ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North > American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The > Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to > other publications. More on that soon. > > This is getting exciting. > > See you all there!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 10:31:10 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with > older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing > if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have > some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... > https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should > think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be > stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio > quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used > whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. > The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in > the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work > best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will > make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I > believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, > RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit > them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo > embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something > like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like > integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them > as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras > https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > mike h > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: > >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >> from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >> wrote: >> >>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>> >>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>> could. >>> >>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>> most of the weekend. >>> >>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>> soon. >>> >>> This is getting exciting. >>> >>> See you all there!!! >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 11:34:56 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:34:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, We?d like to have you there with us. It?s exceeding all expectations. And SVRA has been magnificent...... Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 16, 2020, at 12:12 PM, tom strange via Fot wrote: > > ? > As most of you know, I no longer have a car to race..... but I'm wishing to make it to the cup this year. I would also like to bring a guest. > The request ... does anyone have any available pit passes (I could do some pit work, but limited due to back surgery)? > Even harder, does anyone have a car.they would trust me with, to give my guest a ride on the track? > I assume there may be an opportunity to take street cars out, but I'd really like to do this in a real car.... and I may have my suburban there, which doesnt handle quite like my spit did... > Thanks > Tom > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 16 13:33:32 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1978373161.8441031.1579206812405@mail.yahoo.com> Hi John, That was before the K Cup had its own run group. Generally the feature groups never have enough cars for their own run group and they would run in the normal groups all weekend until they are combined for the feature race on Sunday. On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:22:09 AM EST, John Styduhar wrote: Rick, based on what you said, that is not what the entry form says:?? ? Kastner Cup Triumph Featured Marque - SVRA Sprint Series - Triumphs select this option for SprintSeries - $100 Deposit Required - credit issued on green flag?? On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Rick Parent wrote: You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management of the K Cup directors. All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track with any SVRA run groups. All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear including a Fuel Cell. If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and we all know how much that is, nothing right?? You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a vacation. I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Thu Jan 16 15:44:19 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:44:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney > wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths).? I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break.? That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows:.? 48 - 9" studs.? 21 - 9 1/2" studs.? 71 - 5" studs.? 39 - 5 3/8" studs.? 12 - 5 1/2" studs This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A.? It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs.? I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them.? But that is a difficult step for a pack rat.? So, anyone have any ideas?? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship.? I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them.? The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. Thank you, and best regards, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 07:19:15 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:19:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E5FEEA8-9ABE-44CF-821C-05E3825FD659@gmail.com> Could you bring some of this stuff to the Kastner Cup, if you are able to join us? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. > > Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. > > So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows: > . 48 - 9" studs > . 21 - 9 1/2" studs > . 71 - 5" studs > . 39 - 5 3/8" studs > . 12 - 5 1/2" studs > > This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. > > I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. > > Thank you, and best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 08:19:07 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:19:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack When you figure it out let me know. I can attest the problem is made worse when you keep everything and then start using ARP studs. I too have never had a problem with a stock stud, loved the double thick head nuts from BFE, but also loved hex key removal feature of the ARP. Bob Kramer On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:06 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was > racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When > I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one > day. > > Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything > from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them > forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time > that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). > When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and > unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs > (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of > racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. > That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these > studs. > > So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as > follows: > . 48 - 9" studs > . 21 - 9 1/2" studs > . 71 - 5" studs > . 39 - 5 3/8" studs > . 12 - 5 1/2" studs > > This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner > of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is > slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, > to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. > > I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them > to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a > difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the > weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of > them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful > for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. > > Thank you, and best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 17 09:38:06 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:38:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks, Scott On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano > wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney > wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 17 09:53:44 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:53:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610924d0-3aa2-a7c6-52b3-ed735b8709c1@bradakis.com> On 1/14/20 11:11 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > I cant attach an image of setup on FOT email. So ill place photo on my > instagram @gasket.works. > > What sort of problem are you having sending a picture to the FOT list? mjb. From john at linneyweb.com Fri Jan 17 09:54:17 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:54:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: I?m going to be doing an article on mounting, but here?s the short version. Don?t use a suction cup. They fall off under the high g-loads of racing. The best mount I have found is GoPros own roll bar mount. If you hang the GoPro upside down on the roll bar it will automatically flip the recording the right way up, and you will also get less ?roof? in the shot. The best angle if you only have 1 camera is looking forward through the windshield. Record at 2.7K resolution to get the best stabilization. And try wide vs. linear to capture a little of the side action. Here?s their roll bar mount. Pricey but good. https://gopro.com/en/us/shop/mounts/large-tube-mount/AGTLM-001.html At the end of this my suction cup mount gives way. The camera survived. https://youtu.be/KCowea1ffvo > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > ?I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Fri Jan 17 10:01:55 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:01:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <0F664783-ADC6-4E4E-8E12-204C69EBC5C5@linneyweb.com> Also to Scott?s question on GT6. Here?s my video of a GT6. At the 2:50 mark you will see an interior shot from a GoPro. In a race car I would put the camera to the passenger side for a less obstructed view. https://youtu.be/DoVcDIZyTJQ The video also shows many different angles and mounting options if you don?t mind securing a bracket. One advantage of being internally mounted is that you will get a lot less wind noise in your audio. > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > ?I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So ill place photo on my > instagram @gasket.works. > > What sort of problem are you having sending a picture to the FOT list? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:44:38 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: Here is what GoPro footage looks like from the inside of John Frymark's GeeT6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkeqrqSgBoo *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:20 AM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 10:45:01 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <22961610.8769579.1579283101100@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Below is a video shot from inside a closed car, with a gopro suction cupped to the sunroof. ? I don?t change any settings on the camera from when it?s in (on) my TR4; the camera just ?works? without having to worry about light/dark contrast. ?Might be an issue if you have the camera in the way back, but I?d expect if it?s at swayback distance from the windshield you will have good luck. ?? Video is from a GoPro 7 Silver, at 1080p resolution, because I?m cheap and like having lots of video space. https://youtu.be/Q_WYZH869Yc? On my YouTube page you can see some in car from the Tr4 if you?d like to compare. Hope that helps!Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, January 17, 2020, 11:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website.GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. ?Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. ?I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks,Scott? On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279.? -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality.? I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell.? The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmITR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind).? I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit).? -john John Linneyhttps://classicmotorfilms.com408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ?Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large.A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you thereThanksBrian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could.? May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend.? I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com --? 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URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:49:46 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q Jason On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 11:03:44 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:03:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> Here?s a source that might give you ideas as you browse their website. ?Justin Filmtools: Hollywood's Source for Motion Picture and Digital Video Equipment and Supplies - Filmtools https://www.filmtools.com/ > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 11:19:18 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 13:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> Message-ID: I like mine on the back roll bar looking from shoulder height. It captures most of the gauges while I'm driving, kind of a ghetto data collection system for an analog car. mike On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 1:04 PM J Wagner via Fot wrote: > Here?s a source that might give you ideas as you browse their website. > ?Justin > > Filmtools: Hollywood's Source for Motion Picture and Digital Video > Equipment and Supplies - Filmtools > > https://www.filmtools.com/ > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Fri Jan 17 11:23:45 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <1862181347.8731977.1579285425797@mail.yahoo.com> Here is where I get my camera's, so many to choose from now. I bought one for 35$ about 6 years ago that I use to look down the carbs on the dyno when I was messing with SU's, they work great in my race cars as well. The video quality is wonderful! www.banggood.com XANES K1 4K WiFi Sports Camera 1080P 2.0 LCD HD 30m Waterproof DV Video Sport Extreme Go Pro Mini Recorder Sport Camera Bike & Bicycle from Sports & Outdoor on banggood.com | | | | | | | | | | | XANES K1 4K WiFi Sports Camera 1080P 2.0 LCD HD 30m Waterproof DV Video ... Banggood.com Online Shopping at Banggood.com? | | | On Friday, January 17, 2020, 12:01:57 PM EST, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website.GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. ?Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. ?I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks,Scott? On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279.? -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality.? I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell.? The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmITR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind).? I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit).? -john John Linneyhttps://classicmotorfilms.com408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ?Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large.A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you thereThanksBrian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could.? May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend.? I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! 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URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 14:04:14 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:04:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 14:04:14 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:04:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 15:07:47 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Message-ID: <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Jan 17 15:10:56 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:10:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com>, <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards, Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 15:14:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:14:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 4:11 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I > checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" > which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. > > If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the > "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio > Sportscar Course. > > c ya there! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Marty, > > I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they > don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as > available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be > available for us. > > Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, > Fuel Available > We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. > * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane > * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane > * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane > * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty wrote: > > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. >> >> If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. >> >> c ya there! >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Marty, >> >> I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. >> >> Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, >> Fuel Available >> We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. >> * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane >> * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane >> * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane >> * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 15:26:30 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:26:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). > On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. >> >> If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. >> >> c ya there! >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Marty, >> >> I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. >> >> Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, >> Fuel Available >> We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. >> * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane >> * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane >> * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane >> * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jan 17 20:23:01 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <637424994.563535.1579317781727.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <637424994.563535.1579317781727@mail.yahoo.com> I called the office at Mid O. ?Of course they have 110 leaded fuel. ? Their web site is incorrect.?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?John Frymark MacBook via Fot??wrote: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ?Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?Mordy Dunst via Fot??wrote: I called the office at Mid O. ?Of course they have 110 leaded fuel. ? Their web site is incorrect.?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?John Frymark MacBook via Fot??wrote: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ?Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? 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Name: TR3 Competitioin+Rally Accessories Catalog 2009 07.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 586796 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 06:05:34 2020 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:05:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Continental Kit Message-ID: <5e2302a6.1c69fb81.ccb42.23ed@mx.google.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jan 18 06:16:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> References: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <799B8670-E96D-4C25-B306-394E2200334E@aol.com> Bill; I had the same issue. It stopped when I realized I was accidentally hitting the ?unsubscribe message? when I was scrolling through some of the longer FOT message chains. Self induced issue! 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jan 18 06:16:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> References: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <799B8670-E96D-4C25-B306-394E2200334E@aol.com> Bill; I had the same issue. It stopped when I realized I was accidentally hitting the ?unsubscribe message? when I was scrolling through some of the longer FOT message chains. Self induced issue! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:28 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 18 07:42:18 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 07:42:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> References: <369244126.561875.1579318065918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e441ad0-ceca-33c5-ada9-5154e799234f@bradakis.com> On 1/17/20 8:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from > the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > Man, what a boring night at work.? One trip to Ogden and back, 6.5 hours sitting at Roper yard watching the rails rust. Anyway, don't worry about it, it happens.? It might be from accidentally clicking on the personalized "Unsubscribe/Manage" link added to the end of each realtime message.? It could be you, or more likely another list member, since folks rarely edit out all that stuff when they post a response.? Or it may be from some random hacker who is going through the publicly accessible archives and finds the link which has not been edited out and clicks on it just to be a pain. On a side note, Januaru 2020 could be a record month for the number of FOT posts, thanks to the Mid Ohio discussions.? I'll have to do some cipherin' later on, check message counts for various months, see how we do. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jan 18 07:51:51 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request References: <996404244.680787.1579359111867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you, Mark. I must remember to send you a support?check for the New Year. And I will. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: On 1/17/20 8:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from > the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > Man, what a boring night at work.? One trip to Ogden and back, 6.5 hours sitting at Roper yard watching the rails rust. Anyway, don't worry about it, it happens.? It might be from accidentally clicking on the personalized "Unsubscribe/Manage" link added to the end of each realtime message.? It could be you, or more likely another list member, since folks rarely edit out all that stuff when they post a response.? Or it may be from some random hacker who is going through the publicly accessible archives and finds the link which has not been edited out and clicks on it just to be a pain. 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URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 18 08:02:19 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:02:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom > On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > > Resending second link to the detailed image. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock > wrote: > The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. > > It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg > > There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. > > Don > 1962 Triumph TR3B > (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder > wrote: > I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atr6racer at hotmail.com Sat Jan 18 08:12:59 2020 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:12:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> , Message-ID: Hi Tom, Long time no hear from! This is Sam Halkias from Westerville, I am in need of a late model cylinder head for a TR6. Any chance you have one? Sam ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Tom Householder via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 10:02 AM To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock > wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock > wrote: The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. Don 1962 Triumph TR3B (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder > wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 08:22:11 2020 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <334137543.8991799.1579360931611@mail.yahoo.com> Might be on to something Tom.? I know the British AA stocked small parts (belts, plugs etc.) in boxes around England in the old days.? If you were a member you got a key with your membership that opened the box.? I was lucky enough to find an original numbered badge and key years ago.? Maybe this was Standard Triumph's take on emergency parts for us folks on the "Continent"!! On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 10:02:29 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California ?A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. ?I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on? Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock wrote: The?Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car.? It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it.? There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models.? Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label.? The second image shows the contents list enlarged.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos.? I'll keep looking. Don1962 Triumph TR3B(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 18 09:09:50 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:09:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit Message-ID: COLLECTOR'S ORIGINALITY GUIDE TRIUMPH TR2 TR3 TR4 TR5 TR6 ... Bill Piggott [1]On the right is an original Triumph Sports Owners Association badge. ... Continental touring kit Part number 502022. (Later 505539) This was a kit of commonly used spares, designed for journeys a long way from civilisation. Included were the ... -----------------------------------------From: "Tom Householder" To: "Don Hiscock" Cc: "Triumphs" Sent: Saturday January 18 2020 10:02:19AM Subject: Re: [TR] Continental Kit Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image. [3]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg [4] On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock wrote: The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. [6]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg [7] [8]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg [9] There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. Don1962 Triumph TR3B(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 09:11:54 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <299567954.15588839.1579363914448@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom.? Since this ad seems to apply to the early (small mouth) TR-3's, could they be talking about the kit which included the factory hard top, door handles (since the early TR-3 did not have them), different side curtains (with door handles, the flap at the bottom of the side curtain, or the zipper were not required), etc.? Basically to make the car like a hard top tourer?? There was such a kit, I'm just not sure what it was called. Jack On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 4:53:15 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TR3 Competitioin+Rally Accessories Catalog 2009 07.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 586796 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 09:32:03 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:32:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: <299567954.15588839.1579363914448@mail.yahoo.com> References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> <299567954.15588839.1579363914448@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Continental Touring Kit Triumph TR2/3 - TR2/3/3A/3B Forum - TR Register Forum https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/62397-continental-touring-kit-triumph-tr23/ > On Jan 18, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > Hi Tom. Since this ad seems to apply to the early (small mouth) TR-3's, could they be talking about the kit which included the factory hard top, door handles (since the early TR-3 did not have them), different side curtains (with door handles, the flap at the bottom of the side curtain, or the zipper were not required), etc. Basically to make the car like a hard top tourer? There was such a kit, I'm just not sure what it was called. > > Jack > > On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 4:53:15 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: > > > I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 18 09:42:34 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:42:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> References: <996404244.680787.1579359111867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/18/20 7:51 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Thank you, Mark. > > I must remember to send you a support?check for the New Year. > > And I will. > You're most welcome.? Too bad more people don't accidently click on the donate link ;-) mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 10:57:28 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:57:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. Message-ID: FOT: It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jan 18 11:08:04 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:08:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, I am pretty certain I will not be dragging the TR3 up from Austin. It is really tough for me to take a week off of work for racing. Saying that, I may fly up for the weekend for the festivities. such a great gathering shaping up, tough to miss out completely. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. > > These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. > > (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). > > > http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html > > Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. > > And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. > > The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. > > Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 16:23:00 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 23:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 - More Memories In-Reply-To: <1447213387.14336251.1579182345980@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> <1447213387.14336251.1579182345980@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1275187844.15765525.1579389782372@mail.yahoo.com> Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 07:27:07 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 08:27:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <650AF126-B20B-4154-9828-570E7AB8A071@gmail.com> The Kastner Cup is more than racing. It?s a celebration of the Friends of Triumph. Please fly in and join us. As past recipient of the Kastner Cup, you are VIP Status. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > ?Joe, > > I am pretty certain I will not be dragging the TR3 up from Austin. It is really tough for me to take a week off of work for racing. > > Saying that, I may fly up for the weekend for the festivities. such a great gathering shaping up, tough to miss out completely. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?FOT: >> >> It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. >> >> These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. >> >> (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). >> >> >> http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html >> >> Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. >> >> And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. >> >> The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Sun Jan 19 15:39:54 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:39:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting Message-ID: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> Hi Scott. You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables, plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate. The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a Hero 5 is a better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up. All cameras checked out fine. As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and the camera will begin recording. For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. Per mounting. I prefer not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with all the vibration and variable momentum changes. My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" and mount point on the camera body (triangulate) helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. Hope this was helpful. Stephen Jones ---------------------------------------- From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting Hi Scott, I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q Jason On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I've been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John's email got me to look at the website. GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife's no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I'm down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here's the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I'm assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I'm also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what "exposure" to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks, Scott On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It's not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I'll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. I'll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). I'll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I'm also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). -john John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you there Thanks Brian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 18:58:35 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 19:58:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> References: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> Message-ID: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> I don?t think anyone replied yet about the question regarding whether lighting will be off if the car is mounted inside the car. ?You can alter the light metering from the ?averaging? setting that adjusts for the entire field of view or you can select spot metering, which will bias the exposure for what?s in the center of the field of view. ?In an enclosed sedan I mount the camera over my shoulder and use the spot metering setting, so what?s outside the car looks right, but if the interior is dark it may be harder to see the gauges or what?s going on in the footwell. I?ve usually mounted my ancient GoPro to the roll bar but I?m going to try one of the adhesive mounts that came with the clear plastic case ? but only because it?s inside the car, so if it falls it won?t end up on the track. ?I recall entering the track access road from the grid and a suction-cup mounted GoPro on an MGB ahead of me fell off and landed right in the middle of the road. ?A friend asked if I wanted to borrow his GoPro so I could get a rear view at CotA while my camera filmed the front. ?He had a large suction cup (at least 4? across) but after he attached it to the inside of the side window behind my seat I heard it fall to the floor. ?I had used Rain-X (the type for use inside to prevent fogging, which it really doesn?t do very well) and the mega suction cup refused to stick for more than a couple of minutes. Part of my routine is to click on the camera when we get the 3 minute warning, just before starting the engine up again. ?Remembering to click it off is a different matter. Duncan On Jan 19, 2020, 4:40 PM -0600, Stephen Jones via Fot , wrote: > Hi Scott. > > You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a?Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables,?plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD?cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate.?The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a?Hero 5 is a?better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up.?All cameras checked out fine. > > As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and ?the camera will begin recording. > > For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. > > Per mounting. I prefer?not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with?all the vibration and variable momentum changes.?My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" ?and mount point on the camera body (triangulate)?helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. > > Hope this was helpful. > > Stephen Jones > > > > > > > > From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM > To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting > > Hi Scott, > I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop.? It does a much better? job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track.? I'm watching this email thread with interest. > > One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car.? No more worrying about charging the camera battery.? The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. > https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q > > Jason > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > > > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250.? Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > > > > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield.? I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > > > > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? > > > > > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > > > > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > > > > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > > > > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > > > > > > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > > > > > > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > > > > > > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > > > > > > TR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > > > > > > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > > > > > > John Linney > > > > > > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > > > > > 408 887 8105 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > > > > > > > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mike h > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See you there > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I won't touch that one... :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is getting exciting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See you all there!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shawn Frank > > > > > > > > > > > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > > > > > > > > > > > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > > > > > > > > > > > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > > > > > > > > > > > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > > > > > > > > > > > Iowa British Car Club > > > > > > > > > > > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > > > > > > > > > > > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > > > > > > > > > > > 515-339-4228 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > > > > > > > > > > > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > > > > > > > > > > > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > > > Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Brian Schirano > > > > > > > > > 585-305-0349 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Brian Schirano > > > > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Mon Jan 20 09:09:12 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 08:09:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pic crew In-Reply-To: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> Hi Shawn. Sorry to hear. I am solid this year so far, but I?d be happy to add your GoPros under my perview. I can make sure they are charged and mounted for the race on any cars you need. I may need help ensuring they are all started. I would also love to have their footage available for the race edit I will be producing. Hope that helps. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. Thank you!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 20 15:46:02 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Pic crew In-Reply-To: <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <1707846638.1615485.1579560362756@mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there and am working on a crew. I'd be OK if you wanted to use my footage, even if it is just for a second at a different angle. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:09 AM, John Linney wrote: Hi Shawn. Sorry to hear. I am solid this year so far, but I?d be happy to add your GoPros under my perview. I can make sure they are charged and mounted for the race on any cars you need. I may need help ensuring they are all started. I would also love to have their footage available for the race edit I will be producing. Hope that helps. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. Thank you!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Tue Jan 21 05:03:50 2020 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:03:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015601d5d052$d9c045d0$8d40d170$@roadrunner.com> Jack, I would suspect that there are many TR's out there that have incorrect length cylinder head studs installed. If you were to make up proper sets of stud kits, you could recoup some of your financial investment by selling "correct" stud sets? I'd be in line for purchase as I am pretty sure my TR3A is not correct in this department. Tim Hutchisen Norway ME From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 9:05 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows: . 48 - 9" studs . 21 - 9 1/2" studs . 71 - 5" studs . 39 - 5 3/8" studs . 12 - 5 1/2" studs This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. 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As written, it calls for 13 studs! -- Randall From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 21 09:17:36 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:17:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP ENTRIES Message-ID: Holding steady at 38 entries. Maybe paddock space wont be as big a worry as I had imagined. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Tue Jan 21 11:20:38 2020 From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:20:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Head Studs Message-ID: <000001d5d087$7bbd8d00$7338a700$@klaenv.com> The lengths and positions for the head studs on the TR-3/4 motors is in the manual. By this time ALL original head studs, rod bolts, main cap bolts and assorted nuts/washers are scrap metal only for a race motor. Main cap bolts should be thrown away and replaced by ARP studs. If you use the ARP head stud kit (Moss carries it) refer to the tech section in the ARP manual on these fasteners as it is very interesting. The ARP manual is on-line. In general I do the following; 1. I mark the bottom of all head studs with a # using an electric scribe. I lightly sand flat. 2. Using a 12" caliper I measure and record the length of all of the studs on my build sheet, 1 through 10. Try to do this at about 70 degrees F. 3. When rebuilding the motor I recheck the lengths of each stud and when it has stretched .001 beyond new I replace it as it is in failure. This will happen after several rebuilds, possible 5 or 6. The ARP spec is to replace after .0005, I just looked it up, but that is damn hard to measure with a caliper and I do not have a 12" micrometer. This is not F1 where they just get replaced after one race. 4. When installing I always use ARP lube and a good torque wrench. Quality fasteners are like a springs, they need to be stretched to work properly but there is a limit as to how many times this will happen with the fastener going back to it's original length. They will not hold proper toque when they start to fail. On a lightly stressed street motor this may not be so important, on a race motor the bang can cost thousands. All of the fasteners in an engine (the critical ones like head studs, rod bolts, main studs) are consumable items in a race motor. I also only install rod bolts with a stretch gauge. I find that the torque to proper stretch, say .005, will vary as much as 5 pounds per bolt. Each brand of rod bolt has a stretch spec for that specific bolt. That's my 2 cents on the subject. Good Racing All, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From john at linneyweb.com Mon Jan 20 23:45:53 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:45:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> References: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> Message-ID: <546D1C89-8159-4D1C-AC21-E3439A9669BB@linneyweb.com> Action cameras don?t have great dynamic range so as Duncan says, expose for outside. With the Hero 6 and later things got better. By using a Hero 7 Black or 8 Black and exposing for outside you will see quite a bit more detail of what?s going on in the shadows on the inside than with earlier cameras. Less expensive cameras save costs with cheap plastic lenses and sensors that don?t do well in challenging lighting conditions like what you are describing. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > > ? > I don?t think anyone replied yet about the question regarding whether lighting will be off if the car is mounted inside the car. You can alter the light metering from the ?averaging? setting that adjusts for the entire field of view or you can select spot metering, which will bias the exposure for what?s in the center of the field of view. In an enclosed sedan I mount the camera over my shoulder and use the spot metering setting, so what?s outside the car looks right, but if the interior is dark it may be harder to see the gauges or what?s going on in the footwell. > > I?ve usually mounted my ancient GoPro to the roll bar but I?m going to try one of the adhesive mounts that came with the clear plastic case ? but only because it?s inside the car, so if it falls it won?t end up on the track. I recall entering the track access road from the grid and a suction-cup mounted GoPro on an MGB ahead of me fell off and landed right in the middle of the road. A friend asked if I wanted to borrow his GoPro so I could get a rear view at CotA while my camera filmed the front. He had a large suction cup (at least 4? across) but after he attached it to the inside of the side window behind my seat I heard it fall to the floor. I had used Rain-X (the type for use inside to prevent fogging, which it really doesn?t do very well) and the mega suction cup refused to stick for more than a couple of minutes. > > Part of my routine is to click on the camera when we get the 3 minute warning, just before starting the engine up again. Remembering to click it off is a different matter. > > Duncan >> On Jan 19, 2020, 4:40 PM -0600, Stephen Jones via Fot , wrote: >> Hi Scott. >> >> You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables, plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate. The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a Hero 5 is a better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up. All cameras checked out fine. >> >> As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and the camera will begin recording. >> >> For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. >> >> Per mounting. I prefer not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with all the vibration and variable momentum changes. My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" and mount point on the camera body (triangulate) helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. >> >> Hope this was helpful. >> >> Stephen Jones >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM >> To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting >> >> Hi Scott, >> I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. >> >> One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. >> https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q >> >> Jason >> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. >> GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. >> >> Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. >> >> Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? >> >> Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: >> >> You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. >> >> https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera >> >> For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. >> >> -john >> >>> >>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >>> >>> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >>> >>> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>> >>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>> >>>> Suggestions? >>>> >>>> See you there >>>> Thanks >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brian Schirano >>>> 585-305-0349 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 24 13:43:48 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:43:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <24fc7749-751d-0ffa-d988-16c0348e6858@bradakis.com> Great, thanks for refreshing my memory.? I sort of remember hearing about this car from a fellow named Sean Green, from the Seattle area, who autocrossed a TR6.? Sean's car spent several hours in my shop one Saturday night getting some work done so he could make a run on Sunday at a divisional SCCA event out at Wendover.? What a night that was. Really looking forward to this year's Cup event, can hardly wait! mjb. From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Fri Jan 24 13:45:54 2020 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I have one. A trumpet with trumpets Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? > > mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Jan 24 13:48:33 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:48:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> 6/19 6/26 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken wrote: > > ?What are the dates > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> >> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com >> >> From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 13:49:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 14:49:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5F03D16C-381E-403F-AEA3-50644ED0EE83@gmail.com> Kreger. Kastner Cup Recipient. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 24, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? > > mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 14:09:49 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:09:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> References: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I signed up for both but I need to make it through the Wild Hare and Jefferson 500 first. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 3:51 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > 6/19 6/26 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken > wrote: > > > > ?What are the dates > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport > Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you > have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Irv Korey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 932486 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Fri Jan 24 15:41:11 2020 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 22:41:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> References: , , <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Thanks a couple of ole tracks I haunted as young buck. Tow from Washington nice to get a couple of birds with one stone Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 12:48 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > ?6/19 6/26 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken wrote: >> >> ?What are the dates >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com >>> >>> From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jan 24 16:34:27 2020 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:34:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> , <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Hasn?t every one who?s Quick ? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: Didn?t he blow the engine at Watkins Glen? JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. Irv Korey ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. >> Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? >> > > White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded > the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. > > [image: image.png] > > Irv Korey > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. Irv Korey ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 24 17:25:03 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 19:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> , <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647>, Message-ID: That car was impressively fast, great preparation and excellent driver. Does he still race the car? Maybe it was an overheating issue at WG, I just know I was disappointed that he pulled off and we didn?t get to see him perform again. I also recall running into him at the airport on our way home from Hallet. Nice guy and good conversation. JVV From: marty Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: Irv Korey ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? And even some of us who aren't. ? Marty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fot on behalf of Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:34 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Irv Korey ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? Hasn?t every one who?s Quick ? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Didn?t he blow the engine at Watkins Glen? JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. 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URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 19:17:54 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 21:17:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: My group, Historic Race Group will be at Watkins Glen the week after at an SCCA event, Sat- Sun July 4/5 Just saying mike h On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 5:45 PM Jeff Gerken via Fot wrote: > Thanks a couple of ole tracks I haunted as young buck. Tow from Washington > nice to get a couple of birds with one stone > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 24, 2020, at 12:48 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > > > ?6/19 6/26 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken > wrote: > >> > >> ?What are the dates > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport > Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. 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It is in 3 parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lSeDS9KxIAc/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3 This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa... www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lqlo9yWEeCU/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 2 of 3 This is the second of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This w... www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OIbN3zTQw1c/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 3 of 3 This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa... www.youtube.com Also Triumphs on the false grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pE5eLoFHf6Y/maxresdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false grid This video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged... www.youtube.com YoursinTriumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Jan 26 19:43:04 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links References: <1439072912.772582.1580092984231.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1439072912.772582.1580092984231@mail.yahoo.com> Remember it well. Brings back warm memories. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, January 26, 2020,?Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot??wrote: #yiv5344612212 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} From: Styduhar, Daniel Lee Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent?I have uploaded to Youtube video from the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix which was taken of the Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tentand some video of Triumphs staged in the false grid. These links should get you there. It is in 3 parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...www.youtube.com | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 2 of 3This is the second of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This w...www.youtube.com | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 3 of 3This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...www.youtube.com | Also Triumphs on the false grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false gridThis video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged...www.youtube.com | YoursinTriumph _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Jan 26 21:12:49 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d5d4c8$0a72efb0$1f58cf10$@cox.net> I have Bill Thummel's BRG nr 17. No engine or gearbox. I am considering whether to bring it back to a street car or sell/trade it for a street TR3. It looks very solid with no rust and I have a straight frame sandblasted and painted if I wanted to go for a total rebuild. I will let you all know which direction I will go in the Spring (when I get back from FL). Does anyone have a solid street TR3 they might be willing to trade plus or minus? I will have a race engine with zero hours and an overdrive gearbox in the Spring. My email is hankgiffin at cox.net. Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 From: Fot On Behalf Of Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing Mike Jackson in number 62 TR3 and Bill Thumel in number17 TR3 in close racing at 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. This is the Youtube link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZa6r8sklgE 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing Mike Jackson in number 62 TR3 and Bill Thumel in number17 TR3 in close racing at 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix www.youtube.com YoursinTriumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1158 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 09:47:46 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:47:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 at a race meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is the first TR-4 to be raced in the USA. It was owned an driven by Charlie gates and prepared by Kas Kastner in the new Competition Department. Many many many racing parts were developed on this car including camshafts, push rods, valve springs, brake pads, clutch disc, head gaskets, pistons, wheels and on & on. That era was when the regulations for racing were very very tight. I suspect that is about 1962-63 *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:24 AM trguru at btinternet.com wrote: > > A car that will be rather familiar to one of you > > > > yours David > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 27 10:14:16 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Stuff - Unloading References: <1559671314.20551214.1580145258583.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1559671314.20551214.1580145258583@mail.yahoo.com> I hope I'm not bothering anyone with this stuff, but I actually have been able to get rid of some of the stuff I have turned up in my recent "shop clearing" activities.? I've attached a few pictures.? The first 2 are of a bunch of TR-2, 3, and 4 front suspension steering stop locks.? The 4 at the top are taller than the rest (may be for the TR-4A?).? They measure .555" tall, while all the others (standard tor TR-2, 3 & 4?) measure .320" tall.? As indicated in the latest Moss catalog, Page 41, these are part number 661-500, and they are listed as NLA.? I suspect they are NLA because they seldom go bad - i.e. not a high wear item.? Only problem is they might get lost.? Anyway, I have ended up with a bunch of them, which I would be happy to get rid of.? Make me an offer of something to cover shipping and my time, and let me know how many you want. The third picture is of some old wheel studs.? These are left over from my race car days.? They are all new, bought, but never got used.? The 9 along the bottom are 3" long by 1/2" diameter.? These are Moroso studs, which I used on all 4 corners of my car.? The ones at the top are samples of other studs that I have.? I have 10 of the ones on the left, and 14 of the ones on the right.? The left ones are 2 1/2" long by 1/2" diameter.? I used these when I was using a unique hub/spacer combination that needed a long knurled area under the head.? These all have a 1" knurled area under the head.? The ones on the right are the same, except they are 3" long. I also have about 35 miscellaneous studs (not pictured) of shorter lengths (between 1" and 2") with different heads.? 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Many many many racing parts were developed on this car > including camshafts, push rods, valve springs, brake pads, clutch disc, > head gaskets, pistons, wheels and on & on. That era was when the > regulations for racing were very very tight. I suspect that is about 1962-63 > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:24 AM trguru at btinternet.com < > trguru at btinternet.com> wrote: > >> >> A car that will be rather familiar to one of you >> >> >> >> yours David >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 28 14:34:56 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Message-ID: I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn?t seem right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m guessing the instructions don?t vary much. Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:01:32 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. Jason On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a > *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a > sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn?t seem > right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m > guessing the instructions don?t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Jan 28 18:50:24 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:50:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <601D553B-A727-4E9F-B472-924EA5571C90@icloud.com> Same here but in my case for big TRs. Also recheck the preload after a very brief break-in period. Sometimes things settle in and I have heard of loss of preload. If you have never done it, the preload can seem like a very stiff bearing setup. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Scott, > Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. > > Jason > >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a >> 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! >> >> Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn?t seem right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, >> which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All testing is performed with the seal removed. >> >> Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. >> >> Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m guessing the instructions don?t vary much. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 20:03:38 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have a digital torque wrench check it, there may be an option. Not long ago I found inch pounds option on the one I borrowed On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 5:01 PM Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > Hi Scott, > Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial > type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book > preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've > noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I > measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. > > Jason > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > >> I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings >> should be assembled with spacers to yield a >> *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a >> sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! >> >> Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn?t seem >> right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, >> which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All >> testing is performed with the seal removed. >> >> Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load >> right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. >> >> Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m >> guessing the instructions don?t vary much. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 28 20:06:57 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:06:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a > _12-16 lb/inch pre-load,_ using a bar affixed to the input flange and > a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs _per_ inch doesn???t seem > right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m > guessing the instructions don???t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jan 29 06:13:48 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:13:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> References: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 29 06:21:16 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:21:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8EF175F7-F107-4DC4-956C-52F65FC2AF82@me.com> Looking at the bearings I am replacing, there is evidence of slight uneven loading in the wear pattern. A pinion shaft is in a constant position of being forced to try to move out of alignment, over a very short axis. Think of it as attempting to climb out of the ring gear on every rotation. I?m sure the preload is to try to keep it in place with more equal wear on the bearings. On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:13 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jan 29 07:15:11 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads.Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss.Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 07:39:45 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:39:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Does someone know why that preload is necessary? > > Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion > wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. > Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further > wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost > and then they'll wear. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Bill Tobin > Cc: fot > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a > differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at > all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. > Marcel. > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a > socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how > much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque > wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either > add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and > thinner to increase I think. > With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and > measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over > tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I > know this!) > Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older > beam type. > Hope this helps. > Cheers Bill > On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? > *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a > sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn???t > seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m > guessing the instructions don???t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jan 29 10:26:15 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:26:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1960521941.3579594.1580318775593.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Glen, Thanks , that's a clear and sensible explanation! Marcel Van: "fubog1" Aan: "van mulders marcel" , "Bill Tobin" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 15:15:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch. with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 29 11:02:55 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of? preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other.? Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads.Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss.Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its a beautiful place to live, but I'm really missing the connection to the FOT, and a car to work on ... (other than my suburban) I'll be in Burlington tomorrow, if there is anyone there, I'd love to try to make a connection. Other than that, is there anyone around the state? Thanks, Tom ex #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 02:11:38 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:11:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch. with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Bill Tobin < [ mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net | william.tobin31 at verizon.net ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 02:16:08 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 02:16:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the > stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You > preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for > the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during > their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the > bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in > lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension > on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots > wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. > The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers > and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of? preload is required is > that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To > tight and the components slide over each other.? Too loose and they > cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a > lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Jan 30 02:22:13 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:22:13 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: You need clearance/end float in wheel hubs with tapered roller bearings to accommodate thermal expansion from heat generation in the braking system. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 8:12 PM To: barry rosenberg Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 02:46:48 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:46:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1802893470.6548546.1580377608916.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Peter, I agree but the same can be said about the differential bearings : the differential can get very hot too! I would rather stay with the explanation of Glen. B.t.w. : as the pinion is stretching, probably the preload will not cause friction loss at all when the differential is UNDER LOAD (accelerator pedal to the floor). Whatever the reason , you all have made it clear that the preload is necessary. Marcel Van: "Peter Vucinic" Aan: "van mulders marcel" , "barry rosenberg" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:22:13 Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] Differential Pre-load You need clearance/end float in wheel hubs with tapered roller bearings to accommodate thermal expansion from heat generation in the braking system. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://www.team.net/archive | http://www.team.net/archive ] Forums: [ http://www.team.net/forums | http://www.team.net/forums ] From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 8:12 PM To: barry rosenberg Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Bill Tobin < [ mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net | william.tobin31 at verizon.net ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 03:08:14 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:08:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> TeriAnn, Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn BQ_BEGIN Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fubog1" [ mailto:fubog1 at aol.com | ] , "Bob Kramer" [ mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 30 03:43:14 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rick Cline Cams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1803263865.149180.1580380994272@mail.yahoo.com> Ric Cline Sr. and Jr. live in Shady Dale, Ga. He is on Facebook. Ask him. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 02:39:34 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: I am getting ready to assemble an engine to replace the one I done blowed up proper at Watkins Glen. I have in my possession 3 Rick Cline Spitfire cams. a 293-5, a 293-7, and a 290-7. I am not the original purchaser of said cams and am looking for some guidance. Anybody have any knowledge of these cams and what would be their proper application engine build wise? Thanks.Marty?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 04:59:14 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 05:59:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. That would not be fun. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. > Marcel > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. > TeriAnn > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 05:50:40 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:50:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hallo Bob, the stub axle and bearings were discoloured by the heat and the stub axle was literally broken off, I don't remember anymore where. I suppose the inside threaded part was broken off. The inspector at the MOT obviously didn't know that these wheel bearings should have some free play, contrary to modern cars. My friend felt unsure about it and he didn't argue with the MOT inspector. He also did not undo the tightening when he had left the MOT station Marcel. Van: "Bob Kramer" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 12:59:14 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. That would not be fun. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN TeriAnn, Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel BQ_END Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn BQ_BEGIN Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fubog1" [ mailto:fubog1 at aol.com | ] , "Bob Kramer" [ mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 05:54:41 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 06:54:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Same answer as the diff. Too tight and the rollers are pressed too hard against the race, causing one radii edge of the roller bearing to slide continuously over the race. Too loose and the rollers are not kept in alignment and can and will roll at an angle (cocked) and wear quickly, eventually locking in a cocked position prior to catastrophic failure. Set them up right and there is mild tension on both the outer and inner rollers, friction causes them to roll over the race surface and Bob's your uncle. Bob Kramer On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:16 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub > axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they > quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a > bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated > (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There > does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or > the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt > the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the > outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down > a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the > rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that > it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and > the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. > Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't > spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 06:02:14 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 07:02:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Makes sense. If the tech assumed it was a modern style bearing, he would lock it down. Shame, shame. Since I never work on my street cars (who has time) I only about the newer styles when a wheel bearing failed on my daughters Escort ZX2 and daddy was called in to help! I learned then that the tapered bearings I was familiar with were completely different than the modern cage assemblies we see on American vehicles. Those do get swapped and locked in place. [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:50 AM wrote: > Hallo Bob, the stub axle and bearings were discoloured by the heat and the > stub axle was literally broken off, I don't remember anymore where. I > suppose the inside threaded part was broken off. > The inspector at the MOT obviously didn't know that these wheel bearings > should have some free play, contrary to modern cars. My friend felt unsure > about it and he didn't argue with the MOT inspector. He also did not undo > the tightening when he had left the MOT station > Marcel. > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"Bob Kramer" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Cc: *"TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "fot" < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 januari 2020 12:59:14 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to > speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was > ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been > answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already > sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers > back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. > That would not be fun. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. > There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened > these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke > off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : > besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be > repaired. > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub > axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they > quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a > bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated > (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There > does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or > the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt > the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the > outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down > a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the > rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that > it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and > the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. > Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't > spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example if the OEM tire is a 165r14 then the diameter is: D = (165?.8?2)/25.4 + 14 The radius is: R = D/2? The circumference is: C = 2xRx3.14159 ? ?This is the tire circumfrence, in inches, for which your speedometer is calibrated. If you want to keep that calibration, just reverse the equations above and start poking in numbers from available sizes. I do this in an Excel spreadsheet. WAY easier.? ?Just remember to include the new tire's aspect ratio. Old, unlabeled radials have an aspect ratio of about 0.8, as used above. Rick On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 12:11 AM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: Well, I screwed up.? Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas tires at a great price.? Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999.? Wow!? The size on the tire was 165R15.? Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch tires.? Crap.? Now I have to try to take them back.? They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them.? My question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel rim?? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price.? A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off.? 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter.? My head is about explode. 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Message-ID: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 30 08:09:16 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 30 08:17:56 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08D56AFE-879A-4294-AF2A-641DF80C0E16@me.com> we could certainly combine it with most VRG events on the east coast. They would be delighted to have us again. On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 08:59:26 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:59:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SVRA seems to be treating us well, maybe another event with them. COTA in November or Portland in July? mike h On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:40 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant > Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 30 09:18:19 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:18:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1674895994.473896.1580401099526@connect.xfinity.com> After I moved to California from Cleveland in 1984, I later made the trip back to Cleveland to bring my '63 Galaxie to California. The Galaxie had been not been used for a little while, so I renewed all the brake hydraulics and serviced the front wheel bearings, before I made the drive to CA with my brother Pat. Somewhere north of Nashville with Pat behind the wheel, I smelled burning rubber. I thought we must have been driving through an industrial area. A short time later, something broke and one front corner of the car dropped a little. I told my brother not to make any sudden moves, ease on the brakes and very carefully pull off the next exit, which was in close view. The exit ramp was gently curved and a quick-stop was near by. We carefully pulled into a parking spot and the front corner was smoking. I had a floor jack and tools in the trunk. I took out the floor jack and raised the corner. The wheel just fell off. The bearing had welded itself to the spindle axle and of course it snapped. We were very lucky that the wheel had stayed on. The brake drum kept it in place. We were stranded at a repair shop for a couple days while a replacement spindle was pulled off a '61 Country Squire in a scrap yard. I think I still have the welded bearing and axle somewhere. I hadn't set enough free-play. Live and learn. I still have the Galaxie and it gets lots of care and my brother Tom uses it quite often for pleasure and shows. Tom and I bought the car together as our first car in '79. It gets more attention than my TR in the paddock at the Rolex Reunion. It was my first restoration project when I was 17. Photo attached. Dave H. > On January 30, 2020 at 2:08 AM "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" wrote: > > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. > Marcel > > --------------------------------------------- > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > > Marcel > > > > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Van: "fot" mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > Aan: "fubog1" mailto:fubog1 at aol.com , "Bob Kramer" mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com > > Cc: "fot" mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. > > > > Barry > > > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 30 10:23:37 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <4DEB1E3A7FAE4342A19A1EC44B00F1F1@VlackTK121647> References: <08D56AFE-879A-4294-AF2A-641DF80C0E16@me.com>, <4DEB1E3A7FAE4342A19A1EC44B00F1F1@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: I always wanted to run VIR. Might be still snow on the trailer the first week of April. ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:44 AM To: Scott Janzen ; Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? VIR with VRG would be a great venue. From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:17 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? we could certainly combine it with most VRG events on the east coast. They would be delighted to have us again. On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. 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I know > the kits haven't been available from Moss for a while, but I'm wondering if > there's any rumors that they might become available again or if anyone in > the UK / Europe has a kit now. A supercharger would be perfect for this > dude because the engine is a bone stock late engine ('74) with the fairly > low compression ratio. > > Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 30 12:35:49 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Supercharger Query In-Reply-To: References: <410241653.299192.1580405858050.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <410241653.299192.1580405858050@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <943456596.340076.1580412949151@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - yes, I understand and now directly about increasing compression... I'm just sorting out options for a new friend. When I told him an engine build with increased compression and everything, he just about passed out. Then he asked if there are other options. He is not a do-it-yourself person or a fabricator - so this needs to be soup to nuts or bolt on. Else, we have him save $$$ and then build him a really sweet street engine. The thing that is kool about modern superchargers is that they are bypassed until you stand on it, so very little parasitic loss when you are cruising around. Heck, I got close to 40 MPG in my Saturn Ion Redline and that sucker did naught to 60 in around 6 seconds and I had many slips of 13.9 seconds and 104 MPH at the nearest drag strip. Regarding turning the engine beyond 6k RPM, hopefully most of here are more than aware of the dangers there. Regards,Bob Lang On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 12:49:34 PM EST, robert bownes wrote: You want compression, I have a head with 0.250" taken off of it. Works great. Just don't put cheap gas in it!!! :) On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I got a request from an acquaintance regarding supercharging a TR6. I know the kits haven't been available from Moss for a while, but I'm wondering if there's any rumors that they might become available again or if anyone in the UK / Europe has a kit now. A supercharger would be perfect for this dude because the engine is a bone stock late engine ('74) with the fairly low compression ratio. Thanks in advance! Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Thu Jan 30 21:18:38 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 23:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? Message-ID: <013201d5d7ed$85fc1990$91f44cb0$@cox.net> I?m on the VDCA board with Mike. To further explain why the VIR race and the Jefferson 500 are listed in both groups schedules, we have an agreement that members from either group do not need to join the other group to race in either event. VRG runs the Jeff 500 and VDCA runs the VIR Wild Hare. Both groups offer significant track time for the buck. I echo Mike?s invite. We?d sure like to see the TRs back at VIR in 2021. Take care, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 From: Fot On Behalf Of Mike Jackson via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:38 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph ; Joe Alexander Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? The VIR race is a VDCA gig. We would be happy to have the TRiumph gang back again any time. Legendary track that looks like a state park that happens to have a race track. Look forward to seeing everyone at MO in June. Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Jan 30, 2020 11:44 AM To: Scott Janzen , Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? VIR with VRG would be a great venue. From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:17 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? we could certainly combine it with most VRG events on the east coast. They would be delighted to have us again. On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. 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URL: From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Wed Jan 1 05:56:38 2020 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Hi Glenn, Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. Tim Hutchisen Penn Ridge Motors Norway, ME From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM To: FOT list Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again Happy New Year Quick Question I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. 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Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover > off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It > eventually worked it's way in with time. > > Tim Hutchisen > > Penn Ridge Motors > > Norway, ME > > > > *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Glenn > Franco via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > *To:* FOT list > *Subject:* [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > > > Happy New Year > > Quick Question > > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one > that's been giving us fits. > > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper > overdrive shaft for the A-type. > > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply > pistons. > > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft > flange with an electric motor. > > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will > not drop. > > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was > loosened to relieve the pressure. > > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be > locked up and will not spin. > > Any ideas?? > > Thanks in advance > > Glenn > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4jay at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 06:54:15 2020 From: tr4jay at gmail.com (Jay Galbreath) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 08:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. Jay Galbreath WPTA On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen > wrote: > >> Hi Glenn, >> >> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances >> where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone >> clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake >> ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two >> or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will >> release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit >> Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover >> off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >> eventually worked it's way in with time. >> >> Tim Hutchisen >> >> Penn Ridge Motors >> >> Norway, ME >> >> >> >> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Glenn >> Franco via Fot >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM >> *To:* FOT list >> *Subject:* [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >> >> >> >> Happy New Year >> >> Quick Question >> >> I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one >> that's been giving us fits. >> >> Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper >> overdrive shaft for the A-type. >> >> The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the >> apply pistons. >> >> The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. >> >> The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft >> flange with an electric motor. >> >> The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will >> not drop. >> >> The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was >> loosened to relieve the pressure. >> >> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be >> locked up and will not spin. >> >> Any ideas?? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Glenn >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 1 07:57:37 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jay.? I'm glad that worked for you.? But 90 Wt. is pretty thick.? I used it when I first started racing in 1974, but eventually was persuaded by knowledgeable Triumph experts that 50 Wt. or even 30 Wt would reduce friction and improve performance.? Now that you have fixed the sticking problem you might give it a try. Jack On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 9:01:40 AM EST, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem.Jay GalbreathWPTA On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen wrote: Hi Glenn, Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. Tim Hutchisen Penn Ridge Motors Norway, ME ? From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM To: FOT list Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again ? Happy New Year Quick Question I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. Any ideas?? 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 1 08:03:03 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 10:03:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: In the gearbox that Tim is referring to, I used a brand new re-lined cone clutch in an OD unit that came from Bill Dentinger with Old Blue. No clue what the history of the unit was, but the cone clutch stuck to the brake ring in earnest for a several sessions. Operating pressure is in the low 400's. I did replace the oil with Redline MT-90 during my efforts to get the OD to release, and I am assuming the MT-90 helped. As Tim said, there were several laps around the paddock that first weekend with the car with the gearbox cover off and a mallet in hand, but it wasn't until the second weekend out with the car that the cone clutch released by itself. It is worth noting I didn't like the shifting feel with the Redline and went back to Brad Penn gear oil. That OD unit has been in the car for 20 race weekends now, and other than the need to bed in the cone clutch, it has performed flawlessly. Those A-types have proven pretty robust for me. Henry On 2020-01-01 08:54, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly > fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Glenn, >>> >>> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of >>> instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you >>> installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be >>> an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick >>> when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior >>> of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. >>> Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few >>> years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off >>> and exercising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >>> eventually worked it's way in with time. >>> ~~~ >>> FROM: Glenn Franco via Fot >>> SUBJECT: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >>> >>> >>> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to >>> be locked up and will not spin. >>> >>> Any ideas?? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Glenn From 4msonset at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 08:08:14 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:08:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <14E2A37B-E6D0-474A-B0A9-257BDE535A5E@gmail.com> Lev Andropov: ?This is how we fix problem in the Russian space station!? [hits panel with tool] -- Lev Andropov Armageddon (1998) ? > On Jan 1, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Tim Hutchisen via Fot wrote: > > Hi Glenn, > Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. > Tim Hutchisen > Penn Ridge Motors > Norway, ME > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > To: FOT list > Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > Happy New Year > Quick Question > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. > Any ideas?? > Thanks in advance > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Jan 1 08:36:23 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 15:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> Message-ID: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. Happy New Year! to all!? Rick On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. Howdy do? Dave H. 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Name: Roll bar.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 797782 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 08:51:18 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 09:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don?t forget that gearbox fluid doesn?t use the same measuring scale as engine oil. Duncan On Jan 1, 2020, 8:58 AM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: > Hi Jay.? I'm glad that worked for you.? But 90 Wt. is pretty thick.? I used it when I first started racing in 1974, but eventually was persuaded by knowledgeable Triumph experts that 50 Wt. or even 30 Wt would reduce friction and improve performance.? Now that you have fixed the sticking problem you might give it a try. > > Jack > > On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 9:01:40 AM EST, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > > > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen wrote: > > > Hi Glenn, > > > Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. > > > Tim Hutchisen > > > Penn Ridge Motors > > > Norway, ME > > > > > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot > > > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > > > To: FOT list > > > Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > > > > > Happy New Year > > > Quick Question > > > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. > > > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. > > > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. > > > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > > > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. > > > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. > > > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. > > > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. > > > Any ideas?? > > > Thanks in advance > > > Glenn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 7:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In the gearbox that Tim is referring to, I used a brand new re-lined cone clutch in an OD unit that came from Bill Dentinger with Old Blue. No clue what the history of the unit was, but the cone clutch stuck to the brake ring in earnest for a several sessions. Operating pressure is in the low 400's. I did replace the oil with Redline MT-90 during my efforts to get the OD to release, and I am assuming the MT-90 helped. As Tim said, there were several laps around the paddock that first weekend with the car with the gearbox cover off and a mallet in hand, but it wasn't until the second weekend out with the car that the cone clutch released by itself. It is worth noting I didn't like the shifting feel with the Redline and went back to Brad Penn gear oil. That OD unit has been in the car for 20 race weekends now, and other than the need to bed in the cone clutch, it has performed flawlessly. Those A-types have proven pretty robust for me. Henry On 2020-01-01 08:54, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly > fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Glenn, >>> >>> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of >>> instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you >>> installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be >>> an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick >>> when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior >>> of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. >>> Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few >>> years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off >>> and exercising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >>> eventually worked it's way in with time. >>> ~~~ >>> FROM:? Glenn Franco via Fot >>> SUBJECT: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >>> >>> >>> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to >>> be locked up and will not spin. >>> >>> Any ideas?? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 09:22:33 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 10:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What about older cars with older style roll bars. My TR4 has been upgraded since its original roll hoop from the 1960?s but has no side impact bars. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > > ? > If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. > > Happy New Year! to all! > > Rick > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: > > > Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. > Howdy do? > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorne.fritz at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 09:47:28 2020 From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 11:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] sway bars Message-ID: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 1 09:58:59 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> Yes. Addco will make bars to your design and specifications. Greg Solow had a bunch of 7/8" bars made by them years ago and recently had another run made. I have one on my TR3. I had communicated with Addco and they said they could build one-offs to my specs. Dave H. > On January 1, 2020 at 8:47 AM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 1 10:08:15 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 09:08:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2011882439.152794.1577898496267@connect.xfinity.com> Thank you for the advice and design recommendation, Rick. So SVRA will not let me race in any of their events with my current set-up? Dave H. > On January 1, 2020 at 7:36 AM Rick Parent wrote: > > > If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. > > Happy New Year! to all! > > Rick > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: > > > Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. > Howdy do? > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 10:24:42 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 11:24:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13849867-5693-4120-AFF5-903527F1BA80@gmail.com> I used the Addco bar and fabricated the mounts on my TR3A Street Car. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 1 11:54:47 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <091d2b4c635c0784ce81c5bd526d212b@tr4racer.com> Hi Rick, Can you point us to the SVRA reg that requires the 2 side impact bars? I'm planning on bringing Old Blue to Mid-Ohio next year and the TR3 has exactly zero side impact bars! Henry On 2020-01-01 10:36, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jan 1 12:09:56 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:09:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <745541166.627726.1577905796726@mymail.optimum.net> Happy New Year! I too am looking for a front sway bar for my TR3. 7/8" to 1" Greg Solow, could you contact me off list or can someone give me Greg's contact info. Thanks in advance Todd Redmond > On January 1, 2020 at 11:58 AM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > > Yes. Addco will make bars to your design and specifications. Greg Solow had a bunch of 7/8" bars made by them years ago and recently had another run made. I have one on my TR3. I had communicated with Addco and they said they could build one-offs to my specs. > Dave H. > > On January 1, 2020 at 8:47 AM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 12:45:26 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:45:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Budget. Kastner Cup Funding. FOT ENTRY FEE References: Message-ID: <4D418182-FD12-4291-8F15-11B92B1B692A@gmail.com> ?????????????????????????????- > FOT: > > We need to fund this Kastner Cup. SVRA is providing a FREE ENTRY FEE, but not our expenses. > > We are looking for a FOT KASTNER CUP ENTRY FEE from each entrant. This would be at a rate of $125 for each registered driver. > > Expense Include: > > Kas Kastner?s Travel Expenses and Honorarium > Golf Car Rental for Kas. > Kastner Cup Awards > Hospitality Tents (2) > Refreshments. > Event Posters. > Lanyards > Miscellaneous > > We are also accepting Sponsorships and Donations. > > We have opened a dedicated checking account for this Kastner Cup only. Make payment to JH Alexander, at the address below. I will also accept PayPal Payments at N197tr4 at cs.com. Please send monies to ?Friend? to avoid charges. These monies will be transferred to the Kastner Cup Checking Account. Please describe payment as ?Entry Fee? or ?Donation?. > > Marty Sukey has his hand on the tiller of what will be the most significant Kastner Cup in the Series. It will happen with everyone?s support. $125 entry fee is an enormous bargain, and our thanks to SVRA for waiving their entry fee. > > Don?t hesitate to start the process, we are writing checks now. Thank you very much. > > Highest Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > From barry at penybryn.ca Wed Jan 1 14:35:22 2020 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anti roll bar Message-ID: <004801d5c0eb$64c04f30$2e40ed90$@ca> Hi Todd and Lorne - Take a look at what Speedway Engineering have to offer - custom made solid and tubular bars. http://1speedway.com/index.php?route=product/product &path=81&product_id=113 Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Jan 1 15:24:49 2020 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:24:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anti roll bar In-Reply-To: <004801d5c0eb$64c04f30$2e40ed90$@ca> References: <004801d5c0eb$64c04f30$2e40ed90$@ca> Message-ID: <1577917489.1lp0prkww08ss40s@webmail.lumos.net> That is essentially what I did with my TR-4 (which is now Tony Drew's car). You specify the length, and the splined ends and adjustable arms let you  tune the system as needed. I liked the tubular bars, since most of the stiffness of the bar is in the outer shell, and so you have a bit less weight for the stiffness needed. John   On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:35:22 -0700, Barry Munson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Hi Todd and Lorne ? Take a look at what Speedway Engineering have to offer ? custom made solid and tubular bars.   http://1speedway.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=81&product_id=113   Barry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 2 06:06:41 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:06:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1061457210.270120238.1577970401425.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It is not that difficult to make a sway bar yourself or have it made by someone who can weld. You can find the details to make it adjustable in one of the books of Kas Kastner. A TR3 mostly needs a front sway bar only, and an adjustable one is very useful, even on a road car. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 1 januari 2020 17:47:28 Onderwerp: [Fot] sway bars Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 2 16:24:42 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:24:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for my road TR-4 engine rebuild Message-ID: Good afternoon, I am rebuilding my TR-4 engine and if you're like me you have some parts around you might never use that would be better turned back into cash, perhaps I can help. I need: Cam bearings .010" oversize engine bearings a Piston and liner set 86 mm or some such timing sprockets and chains rear seal and alignment tool Probably more stuff I haven't thought of yet. Let me know! 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So, once again, if you are legal racing with your home organization without door bars you will not have an issue racing at the Kastner Cup. In addition, here is the deal regarding slicks at Mid-Ohio. Take them off and put treaded tires on. You will NOT be allowed to race at the Mid-Ohio event with slicks. Sorry. Marty Sukey 2020 K-Cup Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 3 07:06:32 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:06:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> Message-ID: So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which group would be best for me given my location in Utah. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: killer_01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 42434 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Jan 3 07:12:26 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 09:12:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage Message-ID: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 09:16:41 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 11:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their > website. > I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more > strict. > While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a > few pages. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > > > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was > >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) > >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such > >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, > >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > > > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for > >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without > >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which > >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > > > >mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jan 3 10:22:10 2020 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:22:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: References: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra ! Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony Garmey Www.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 3 11:16:21 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Tony...?Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had?in the mid-1980s. ?Just because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event.? While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine,?and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. Bill Dentinger? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 3, 2020,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis ?rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra !? Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony ?GarmeyWww.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc).? Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes.?? On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 3 11:16:21 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Tony...?Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had?in the mid-1980s. ?Just because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event.? While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine,?and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. Bill Dentinger? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 3, 2020,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis ?rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra !? Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony ?GarmeyWww.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc).? Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes.?? On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 3 11:48:45 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 13:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Budget. Kastner Cup Funding. FOT ENTRY FEE In-Reply-To: <4D418182-FD12-4291-8F15-11B92B1B692A@gmail.com> References: <4D418182-FD12-4291-8F15-11B92B1B692A@gmail.com> Message-ID: will there be a dinner? Marty, could I take this on? On Jan 1, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: ?????????????????????????????- > FOT: > > We need to fund this Kastner Cup. SVRA is providing a FREE ENTRY FEE, but not our expenses. > > We are looking for a FOT KASTNER CUP ENTRY FEE from each entrant. This would be at a rate of $125 for each registered driver. > > Expense Include: > > Kas Kastner?s Travel Expenses and Honorarium > Golf Car Rental for Kas. > Kastner Cup Awards > Hospitality Tents (2) > Refreshments. > Event Posters. > Lanyards > Miscellaneous > > We are also accepting Sponsorships and Donations. > > We have opened a dedicated checking account for this Kastner Cup only. Make payment to JH Alexander, at the address below. I will also accept PayPal Payments at N197tr4 at cs.com. Please send monies to ?Friend? to avoid charges. These monies will be transferred to the Kastner Cup Checking Account. Please describe payment as ?Entry Fee? or ?Donation?. > > Marty Sukey has his hand on the tiller of what will be the most significant Kastner Cup in the Series. It will happen with everyone?s support. $125 entry fee is an enormous bargain, and our thanks to SVRA for waiving their entry fee. > > Don?t hesitate to start the process, we are writing checks now. Thank you very much. > > Highest Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 17:06:13 2020 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:06:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yup. Tack it together the way you want it and have a certified welder do the final. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:16 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Tony... > > Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had in the mid-1980s. ?Just > because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We > trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event. > > While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work > satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine, and I would do > the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. > > Bill Dentinger > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! > > Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / > roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis > rigidity and aesthetics. > > Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires > a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... > so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that > organization. Start with Svra ! > > Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. > > Tony Garmey > Www.horizonracing.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: > > You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, > SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for > period correct classes. > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: > > You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their > website. > I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more > strict. > While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a > few pages. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > > > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was > >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) > >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such > >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, > >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > > > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for > >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without > >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which > >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > > > >mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jan 4 12:42:34 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 19:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <35816E5A-CE08-4615-A860-D81202D9B9DD.ref@cs.com> <35816E5A-CE08-4615-A860-D81202D9B9DD@cs.com>, <702153836.4385005.1578155165160@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jan 4 13:37:35 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:37:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Laguna video Message-ID: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> Hello Friends, I finally got a video edited and posted on YouTube from the Rolex race weekend last August. I didn't get the feature race on video, but the qualifying race was pretty good with some good action. Please give it a view. The ex-Dick Gulstrand '57 Corvette was great competition. On the grid for the feature race, the driver introduced himself and said he found a broken rocker arm after the qualifying race. I was able to finish in front of him in the race. Perhaps the engine broke 2 rocker arms during this one. Dave H. https://youtu.be/-F3epEMkGeI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 16:33:06 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:33:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT faithful. > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. > > 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Jan 4 17:14:48 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 00:14:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> References: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> Message-ID: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 17:36:40 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 16:36:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> References: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: My car raced on slicks when it ran Trans Am in 1971. I Always found it strange that I can?t do the same now. Chuck > On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > ? Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. >> >> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >> >> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. >> >> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> FOT faithful. >>> >>> >>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>> >>> If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>> >>> 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>> 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>> >>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>> >>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Marty Sukey >>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 18:00:41 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 17:00:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: [image: IMG_3345 (Large).jpg] Amici, Above is an image of the circa 1976 Goodyear Bluestreak Sportscar Special bias ply tires that came off the Spitfire. You can see they are about 25% wider and are not treaded. The former driver could run about 1.5 seconds a lap faster with an FP car than our current DP TR4's are running at WIllow Springs. Food for comparison... *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:36 PM wrote: > My car raced on slicks when it ran Trans Am in 1971. I Always found it > strange that I can?t do the same now. > > Chuck > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > > ? Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They > agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. > > Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. > > I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming > pretty limited for our cars. > > A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all > vintage organizations... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT faithful. > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have > come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the > Mid-Ohio event. > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in > the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it > will be 12a or 12b. > > 12a is on track with group 6. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > 12b is on track with group 8. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and > also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked > with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to > bed. > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ?FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? Thanks,Marty SukeyEvent Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ?FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? 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URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Sat Jan 4 19:50:25 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 02:50:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The door is closed on this issue. > > If you have any questions (do not ask him anymore more about Hoosier S7 tires, that ship is out of port) about other tires or any other tech related items please email SVRA head of tech Rick Parent at rick at svra.com and he will do his best to help you. Oh, and please ask him nicely, he truly is on our side. And when this event is all wrapped up at the track on Sunday, buy him a beer, he is going to need it. > > Marty Sukey > 2020 Kastner Cup Event Chair. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The door is closed on this issue. > > If you have any questions (do not ask him anymore more about Hoosier S7 tires, that ship is out of port) about other tires or any other tech related items please email SVRA head of tech Rick Parent at rick at svra.com and he will do his best to help you. Oh, and please ask him nicely, he truly is on our side. And when this event is all wrapped up at the track on Sunday, buy him a beer, he is going to need it. > > Marty Sukey > 2020 Kastner Cup Event Chair. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jan 5 08:19:31 2020 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:19:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jan 5 09:45:58 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:45:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: > I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and > had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. > Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. > > > > Vince > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > > wrote: > >> Toyo 888's >> >> >> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > > >> Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. >> >> FOR SHAME! >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via >> Fot?>?wrote: >> >> Slicks on vintage cars? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February >>> here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they >>> brung. >>> >>> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >>> >>> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are >>> becoming pretty limited for our cars. >>> >>> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for >>> all vintage organizations... >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> FOT faithful. >>>> >>>> >>>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup >>>> Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier >>>> R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>>> >>>> ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in >>>> group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on >>>> you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>>> >>>> 12a is on track with group 6. >>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>>> 12b is on track with group 8. >>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>>> >>>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>>> >>>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all >>>> weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on >>>> Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a >>>> difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Marty Sukey >>>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 10:33:29 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:33:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna video In-Reply-To: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> References: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Dave, Thanks for sharing...looked like some great fun on a classic track! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:45 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Hello Friends, > I finally got a video edited and posted on YouTube from the Rolex race > weekend last August. I didn't get the feature race on video, but the > qualifying race was pretty good with some good action. Please give it a > view. > The ex-Dick Gulstrand '57 Corvette was great competition. On the grid for > the feature race, the driver introduced himself and said he found a broken > rocker arm after the qualifying race. I was able to finish in front of him > in the race. Perhaps the engine broke 2 rocker arms during this one. > Dave H. > https://youtu.be/-F3epEMkGeI > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jan 5 14:14:10 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:14:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Message-ID: They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height.? Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Great attitude. > > Another thought: Yokohama A048. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: >> I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and >> had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. >> Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. >> >> >> >> Vince >> >> On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot >> > wrote: >> >>> Toyo 888's >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot >> > >>> Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. >>> >>> FOR SHAME! >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>> >>> On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via >>> Fot?>?wrote: >>> >>> Slicks on vintage cars? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February >>>> here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they >>>> brung. >>>> >>>> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >>>> >>>> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are >>>> becoming pretty limited for our cars. >>>> >>>> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for >>>> all vintage organizations... >>>> >>>> Brad Eells >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> FOT faithful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup >>>>> Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the >>>>> Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>>>> >>>>> ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in >>>>> group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on >>>>> you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>>>> >>>>> 12a is on track with group 6. >>>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>>>> 12b is on track with group 8. >>>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>>>> >>>>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>>>> >>>>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all >>>>> weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on >>>>> Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a >>>>> difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Marty Sukey >>>>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jan 5 14:44:31 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 22:44:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> Not good news. I didn?t know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jan 5 15:46:34 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 22:46:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More on tires for SVRA Message-ID: One thing to pay attention to. For tire regulations SVRA list various approved tires for their events for groups 1 and 3 where I think most of us will run. In addition to the specific tires they include the following text . Any Treaded, DOT approved Tires with a UTQG of 100 or greater with appropriate Speed Rating and a minimum Aspect Ratio of 60 This allows tires such as the Toyo R88R's and some others. Please note the 100 or greater treadwear rating. Just thought I would mention it in case you were planning on buying new tires for this event. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Sun Jan 5 18:25:51 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. Stephen ---------------------------------------- From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. Not good news. I didn't know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I've run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn't make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Mon Jan 6 06:43:04 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:43:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Stephen,?You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires do give? some notice before heading for the grass. -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. I run the 195/60/13?Toyo R888's, DOT rated.?They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session.?The only down side for myself is they?don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. ? Stephen ? ? ? From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? Not good news. I didn?t know that they stop production. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height.? Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. ?Drive accordingly and?Just get out and enjoy.? ? ? Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? FOR SHAME! ? Bill Dentinger ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com ? On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: ? Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone ? On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. ? Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. ? I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. ? A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone ? On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. ? ? After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ? ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. ? 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf ? All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. ? This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? ? Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup ? ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? 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You could change the diameter with pressure changes and really make fine adjustments to handling while the Michilins (only radials at the time) were slugs and though great grip when you finally got the pressure right, but I always thought a quick trip to slow lap times.. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:31 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires > do give some notice before heading for the grass. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Jones via Fot > Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and > directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold > up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to > come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the > session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of > warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with > too much throttle exiting corners. > > Stephen > > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Chris Marx via Fot" > *Sent*: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM > *To*: "fot at autox. team. net" > *Subject*: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > Not good news. > > I didn?t know that they stop production. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Tony Drews via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 > *An:* fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > > They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. > > Tony D > > On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Great attitude. > > Another thought: Yokohama A048. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: > > I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had > fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive > accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. > > > > > > Vince > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: > > Toyo 888's > > > > > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > > FOR SHAME! > > > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > > > > Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They > agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. > > > > Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. > > > > I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming > pretty limited for our cars. > > > > A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all > vintage organizations... > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > > FOT faithful. > > > > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have > come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the > Mid-Ohio event. > > > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in > the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it > will be 12a or 12b. > > > > 12a is on track with group 6. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > > 12b is on track with group 8. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and > also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked > with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to > bed. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Mon Jan 6 16:15:22 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <20200106143147.20C1CA1259@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <939d5f25c1c5486b8165583697e92fee@toast.net> Hi Rick. Going to try a set of time Hoosiers again next time I purchase tires which is soon. I have used them in the past. Good chance my driving style has something to contribute, which I am working on. The Hoosiers seemed to fade half way through a session and the adhesion confidence dropped after six or seven sessions. Budget vs performance plays a role also. I am testing at Wild Horse in Phoenix in a few weeks. Always open to improving those lap times. Lastly, having grass to run off on sounds wonderful as opposed to the ruts, gravel and dust storm produced here in the desert. Cheers. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kas Kastner" Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:54 PM To: "Rick Parent" Cc: 6t9gt6 at toast.net, "fot at autox. team. net" , "MadMarx" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. When I was racing in the 50's I loved the bias tires . You could change the diameter with pressure changes and really make fine adjustments to handling while the Michilins (only radials at the time) were slugs and though great grip when you finally got the pressure right, but I always thought a quick trip to slow lap times.. Never be beaten by equipment. On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:31 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: Hi Stephen, You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires do give some notice before heading for the grass. -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. Stephen ---------------------------------------- From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. Not good news. I didn't know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I've run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn't make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 7 17:25:04 2020 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 18:25:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. Any idea? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 18:04:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 19:04:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: <341EE6DB-3CC2-49DD-9CEA-BC6840DC20A6@gmail.com> Wires! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 7 18:17:35 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 7 18:17:35 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 18:58:28 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 17:58:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> Original Minilites are still available... VTO makes knockoffs of several classic styles Then there?s the repro Silverstones... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Jan 7 19:13:29 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 02:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1407200045.5381395.1578449609753@mail.yahoo.com> How do you think Revolutions would look? ? I like being one of the few with them; but maybe the look would work on the Ambro too? ? Revolution will create a custom offset at no extra charge. ? I was able to duplicate what my TR4 had on it from racing?back in the early 70?s ?to present: Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 8:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Original Minilites are still available... VTO makes knockoffs of several classic styles Then there?s the repro Silverstones... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He knew how to carry speed?through a corner.?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, January 7, 2020,?MACDONALD via Fot??wrote: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jan 7 20:04:49 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 03:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= References: <1334762760.8292271.1578452689674.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334762760.8292271.1578452689674@mail.yahoo.com> Don Brick always ran wires on his TR4 (a handicap?)??But I always thought he was the best driver in our tent. He knew how to carry speed?through a corner.?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, January 7, 2020,?MACDONALD via Fot??wrote: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 106815 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ?Wires! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. >> >> Any idea? >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 21:10:23 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:10:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Just like Ken Miles! In-Reply-To: <191680C8-9939-4698-8A29-FA304A9881DD@gmail.com> References: <191680C8-9939-4698-8A29-FA304A9881DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice pic! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ? > > > > Chuck_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 08:52:56 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:52:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl Message-ID: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 8 09:25:27 2020 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:25:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup. 2020. FOT Entry Fees and Donations References: <5CEB05FD-2400-418A-A5BD-E19C69F5E84A.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <5CEB05FD-2400-418A-A5BD-E19C69F5E84A@cs.com> FOT: We had a remarkable surge of entries and donations. Thank you. Led by Marty Sukey, Chair, the Kastner Cup Committee has a great program in the planning. You won?t be disappointed. FOT Entry Fee $125. Checks to: JH Alexander PayPal to: N197tr4 at cs.com Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jan 8 10:27:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RHD steering box References: Message-ID: Does anyone have for sale a RHD steering box for a TR2 or early 3 (long column)? If not, does anyone have a useable worm gear and pin assembly? Thanks, Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jan 8 11:11:48 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:11:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] RHD steering box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <758922199.753920.1578507108922@mymail.optimum.net> Phil, I believe I still have my left hand drive steering column and box. If that would work. I can check when I get home tonight. Let me know Todd > On January 8, 2020 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > > Does anyone have for sale a RHD steering box for a TR2 or early 3 (long column)? If not, does anyone have a useable worm gear and pin assembly? > Thanks, > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 12:36:57 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:36:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Tom Householder Message-ID: <2ABB533B-235F-4C03-B50B-6EC3D030952B@gmail.com> Has anyone had contact with Tom Householder? Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 8 14:11:40 2020 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> References: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233842222.5670953.1578517900807@mail.yahoo.com> I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 8 14:38:38 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1960/61 TR3A References: <78665250.8755100.1578519518058.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78665250.8755100.1578519518058@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... I was watching the Mecum auction in Kissimmee, Florida. ?A very nice 60 or 61 TR3A sold for $16,000.00 (which appeared to be the seller?s reserve). ?BRG, fancy spoke wheels, nice car. ?Seemed pretty cheap to me. ?I know what it takes to make one look nice like that. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 8 14:55:14 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 16:23:55 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:23:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. ?He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. ?He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. Duncan On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. > > Thank you. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 8 16:25:20 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <807872259.8821465.1578525920288.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <807872259.8821465.1578525920288@mail.yahoo.com> If you?re?willing to pay a fee, Greg Solow (The Engine Room) would be a Top Shelf MOGAN?inspector. ?He is in Santa Cruz. I am not sure if that is near Beverly?Hills, however. ?Steve Belfer (Mike?s son)?maybe closer. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 16:35:15 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:35:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Message-ID: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > Jack, > > I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. He works on > Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. He likely > knows BHCC?s reputation too. > > Duncan > On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , > wrote: > > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I > might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I > don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they > advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty > knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's > advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a > very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that > confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't > think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection > fee to cover your time and mileage. I'm still in the negotiating stage, so > it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next > couple of weeks. > > Thank you. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jan 8 16:39:37 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419@mail.yahoo.com> Greg solow. The engine room MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious?needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm?? Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car.? He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about.? He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. DuncanOn Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jan 8 16:39:37 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419@mail.yahoo.com> Greg solow. The engine room MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious?needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm?? Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car.? He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about.? He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. DuncanOn Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. 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URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 8 16:50:44 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:50:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Message-ID: <218EDB6E-C624-42B7-BDD5-0D89FE0A5F68@comcast.net> Greg might chime in on this, but I know that very recently he was in that area and might not be back down there soon. Greg lives in Santa Cruz, about 350 miles north of Hollywood. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Jack, > > I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious needs and it may be priced accordingly. > > https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm > > Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: >> Jack, >> >> I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. >> >> Duncan >>> On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: >>> I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. >>> >>> While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage. I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Jack Wheeler >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 17:14:09 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:14:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> References: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dick Stockton has a Facebook page, "The 71 Crowd". 1 post since December 2018. You could potentially send a message through the page and see what happens... *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:53 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? > > Thanks > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rustytr4 at aol.com Thu Jan 9 05:12:15 2020 From: rustytr4 at aol.com (rustytr4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl References: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108@mail.yahoo.com> All, I spoke with Dick about?3 weeks ago, talked about cars of course, but other wise seemed ok.?Matt???-----Original Message----- From: Steven Benford Jr via Fot To: Joe Alexander ; FOT Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2020 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rustytr4 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 9 06:50:00 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 08:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dick is planning on coming with his TR4 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Matt Bakes via Fot wrote: > > ? > All, I spoke with Dick about 3 weeks ago, talked about cars of course, but other wise seemed ok. > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Benford Jr via Fot > To: Joe Alexander ; FOT > Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2020 4:12 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl > > I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home > > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? > > Thanks > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rustytr4 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu Jan 9 07:09:07 2020 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:09:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> Hi Jack, i have no personal experience with BHMC, but as a regular reader of "Bring A trailer". they do not have a very good reputation.  Just a heads up. John   On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.  However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.  Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.  Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country.   While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.  I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.  I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks.   Thank you.   Jack Wheeler  _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 07:38:43 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 06:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: Beverly Hills Car Club Inc. | Better Business Bureau? Profile https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/los-angeles/profile/classic-car-dealers/beverly-hills-car-club-inc-1216-354246 > On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:09 AM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi Jack, > > i have no personal experience with BHMC, but as a regular reader of "Bring A trailer". > they do not have a very good reputation. Just a heads up. > > John > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage. 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 9 14:24:18 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:24:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup Message-ID: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. 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If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 9 15:33:13 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewalsvra.com | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ Forms | SVRA SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal svra.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. Thank you Marty mike h [image: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1913181 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 12:23:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:23:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Outstanding! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here but when I tried it on, it was too big. > > I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked me through my options. > > Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. > > Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. > > Thank you Marty > > mike h > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jan 10 12:24:40 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 19:24:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It has been my experience that the shirts tend to run a little large. Room to grow ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:56 PM To: FoTTriumph Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here but when I tried it on, it was too big. I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked me through my options. Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. Thank you Marty mike h [IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1913181 bytes Desc: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 13:04:57 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:04:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I ordered mine about the same time, free shipping and free embroidery, nice Christmas present to myself Don't like the fact that Mike and I are both in a medium, me 5'4 and he 6'2, hmmmmm one of us is bigger around than he is tall? B On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 2:35 PM marty via Fot wrote: > It has been my experience that the shirts tend to run a little large. Room > to grow ? > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Mike Harmuth via > Fot > *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 1:56 PM > *To:* FoTTriumph > *Subject:* [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End > > I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, > pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, > Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here > but when I tried it on, it was too big. > > I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after > calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under > a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked > me through my options. > > Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been > no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great > and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I > say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. > > Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you > an idea on sizing. > > Thank you Marty > > mike h > [image: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SVRA is not making money on our entry but they are really going to make this a big deal for us. In order to know how much they need to commit they need to know a realistic count, really! Come on, 39 entries at this point? SVRA will be printing up the Hero Cards for all the Triumph drivers. They will need a high resolution picture of you car for these cards. At some point they will be asking you for a picture, this notice should give you time to find one. Oh, when I am saying big things are in the works, I'm not talking about the hero cards. ? Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Jan 11 03:42:25 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:42:25 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> Where is this Lands Ends FoT store? Can't find it on landsend.com under FoT or Friends of Triumph! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 10 January 2020 20:05 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 06:08:19 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 08:08:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> References: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: John, it's in western Cornwall. If you mean the FOT Store info: from Marty Sukey 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/ 2, set up an account for yourself and log in. 3, pick an item you might want. 4, click on apply logo, 5, select the FOT logo, 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed. 7, select location. 8, hit apply logo. 9, hit cancel or add to bag. mike h On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:42 AM John Davaies via Fot wrote: > Where is this Lands Ends FoT store? 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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot wrote: > Did I send you a pic of my car? > If not how about this? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 12 04:36:31 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 06:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Message-ID: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 12 08:21:39 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 08:21:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> References: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> Great, thanks!? I'll most likely be showing up with a friend, possibly 2.? We'll have to work out if we want to share a room or not.? And most likely I'll not choose the kid magnet waterpark place. mjb. From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 12 08:45:24 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> References: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Please note: Best rate is reserve before March 1, 2020. -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Great, thanks! I'll most likely be showing up with a friend, possibly 2. We'll have to work out if we want to share a room or not. And most likely I'll not choose the kid magnet waterpark place. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 12 10:12:06 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:12:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car Message-ID: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the diff and lower the prop shaft. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 82400861_998967577149144_4637860262093783040_n.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 110398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 81726490_998965573816011_3650908053424832512_o.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 129940 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jan 12 12:10:23 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 19:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: <001601d5c8cb$960c9160$c225b420$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1732475816.6818749.1578856223926@mail.yahoo.com> I love it! As an FYI, there is a race at Indy, maybe the most Iconic race track in the world, the week before Mid Ohio. If you guys want to make a stop there as well we can help with the container issues, no worries. 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA | | | | 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA ? 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | | | | | | | | | SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 05:09:52 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: Are you running slicks? On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot wrote: Did I send you a pic of my car? If not how about this? John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jan 12 12:21:55 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:21:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <1732475816.6818749.1578856223926@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001601d5c8cb$960c9160$c225b420$@btinternet.com> <1732475816.6818749.1578856223926@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901d5c97d$8dae19f0$a90a4dd0$@gmail.com> Hi Rick, that would be tempting?but my flights are booked and I have no car over there. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Januar 2020 20:10 An: John Davaies ; John Styduhar Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 I love it! As an FYI, there is a race at Indy, maybe the most Iconic race track in the world, the week before Mid Ohio. If you guys want to make a stop there as well we can help with the container issues, no worries. 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA ? 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 05:09:52 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: Are you running slicks? On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot > wrote: Did I send you a pic of my car? If not how about this? John -----Original Message----- From: Fot > On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association.Geez I'm feeling old...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: John Styduhar ; marty Cc: FOT Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup <!--#yiv3062382358 DIV {margin:0px;}-->John, Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples.? I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewalsvra.com | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 14:40:25 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation > of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be > waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you > need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jan 12 15:16:23 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:16:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM To: fubog1 Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 > wrote: SVRA rules 32 years ago. Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. Geez I'm feeling old... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar >; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup John, Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty ________________________________ From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty >; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ Forms | SVRA SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jan 12 15:26:16 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:26:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55A5E65D-342D-4F47-8458-66B93B30E675@att.net> Just out of curiosity, what do the European Sanctioning Bodies (Clubs) do when an American shows up at one of their events with safety gear that does not have the FIA Hologram on them and a car that is not prepped in compliance with their rules? Paul > On Jan 12, 2020, at 3:40 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 > wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > > To: John Styduhar >; marty > > Cc: FOT > > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot > wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty >; Mike Harmuth > > Cc: FOT > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Discounts are 2 stage. > > The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. > > After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. > Either way these are good rates for the area. > > > > There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn > has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. > > > > Reservations can be made on line or via phone: > > If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the > site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room > you are requesting. > > If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE *LCAR C *and identify > you are with* Friends of Triumph.* > > > > If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or > 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. > > > > JVV > > > > *Host Hotel Announcement* > > > > *We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group > members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. > We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. > Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart.* > > > > *We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has > given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the > track, just 10 minutes. * > > > > *Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: * > > *? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from > Franchise Services* > > *? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds * > > *? Free wireless high-speed internet service* > > *? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable* > > *? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment* > > *? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park > named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn* > > *? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium > waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, > and many other selections. * > > *? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels* > > *? 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 12 20:54:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B2FC4BD-4F88-4CB7-8F35-69822C906A9E@aol.com> I agree with Marty. But looking back at the Triumph Marque race at the Glen last year, if SVRA felt the car was beyond their rule set, they let the car run in the ?NC? or non/ conforming category. In other words, they?ll let you play one way or the other. As an NC car, you just did not get any trophies or podium position. Safety violations may put you out, but frankly, having looked at the rules, they are pretty much common sense and very similar to SCCA. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. > > > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM > To: fubog1 > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty ; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 12 20:54:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B2FC4BD-4F88-4CB7-8F35-69822C906A9E@aol.com> I agree with Marty. But looking back at the Triumph Marque race at the Glen last year, if SVRA felt the car was beyond their rule set, they let the car run in the ?NC? or non/ conforming category. In other words, they?ll let you play one way or the other. As an NC car, you just did not get any trophies or podium position. Safety violations may put you out, but frankly, having looked at the rules, they are pretty much common sense and very similar to SCCA. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. > > > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM > To: fubog1 > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty ; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 20:59:36 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 19:59:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> References: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing > the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. > Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. > > mjb. > > > Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail > regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race > car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. > > The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario > originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard > 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle > which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the > drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [4] Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 Links: ------ [1] http://webmail.spectrum.net/HTTP://BIERTIJD.COM/MEDIAPLAYER/?ITEMID=47217 [2] http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 [3] http://biertijd.com [4] http://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 13 03:04:58 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 03:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: References: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9013818c-4a61-af0f-2b63-0279f3aa6ee8@bradakis.com> On 1/12/20 8:59 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you > haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great > would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid > for Kastner Cup! Well, there is the issue of mixing open wheel cars in the grid, but I would love to see the car. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 13 03:17:09 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 03:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <8cb22d07-a8d3-da7b-d5d1-08a0b6f6c677@bradakis.com> Wow! mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 05:46:20 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 06:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> Thanks Brad, It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner Cup grid would not be a good idea. Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup. This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing >> the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. >> Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail >> regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race >> car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. >> >> The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario >> originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard >> 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle >> which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the >> drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of >> gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the >> diff and lower the prop shaft. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4jay at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 06:36:34 2020 From: tr4jay at gmail.com (Jay Galbreath) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:36:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: All that fuel being poured down the back of your neck so scary. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:58 AM T. R. Householder via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > > > > > > *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > > > > > > *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* > > > *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is > amazing!* > > > * > http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 > * > Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > biertijd.com > Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) > > > > > ------------------------------ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 13 07:35:07 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <5bdb023e-3d8f-b51a-f816-8dfad86fe3d8@bradakis.com> On 1/13/20 6:36 AM, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > All that fuel being poured down the back of your neck so scary. It's okay, he soaked his underwear in Borox. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:17:18 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <127174493.10733605.1578928638804.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <127174493.10733605.1578928638804@mail.yahoo.com> BOROX. ?Our way to Willow Springs we passed by the BOROX mine. ?"Twenty Mule Team Road" Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: On 1/13/20 6:36 AM, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > All that fuel being poured down the back of your neck so scary. It's okay, he soaked his underwear in Borox. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:54:14 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <479046538.10760798.1578930854078.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <479046538.10760798.1578930854078@mail.yahoo.com> Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 13 12:48:51 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:48:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: >>> 06/27/16 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Jan 13 14:00:54 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:00:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 Message-ID: <9f10ca85a346f2f754bbe5f78e9a93ca12e19a87@webmail> I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [1] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [2] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. 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A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: > Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. > > Only to resurface now with this good stuff. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > >> On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> THIS IS REALLY COOL?! 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 14:56:17 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mordy, Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: Kas? Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: > > Triple From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 14:59:04 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? thanks mike On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Mordy, > > Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. > > You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration > fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. > Essentially this is a FREE entry. > > There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: > > Kas? Expenses > Tent & Accessories > Trophies > Golf Car for Kas. > Miscellaneous. > > Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. > Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are > sending donations even tho they will not be there. > > What a marvelous group of people! > > There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my > name. > > Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com > > Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. > > REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL > TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! > > > Best Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: > > > > Triple > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 15:03:22 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> This is a very good question. Rick Parent can answer that in a more detailed form. Thank you for asking. (I am not sure about the ?slapping? part). Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: > > ? > Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? > > thanks > mike > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Mordy, >> >> Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. >> >> You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. >> >> There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: >> >> Kas? Expenses >> Tent & Accessories >> Trophies >> Golf Car for Kas. >> Miscellaneous. >> >> Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. >> >> What a marvelous group of people! >> >> There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. >> >> Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. >> >> REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: >> > >> > Triple >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 15:55:25 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:55:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> References: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well...it has a Spitfire block... I guess that puts an end to my dream of driving a Gloria Southern Cross in a Kastner Cup some day. :-) *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:46 AM Joe Alexander wrote: > Thanks Brad, > > It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner > Cup grid would not be a good idea. > > Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are > eligible for the Kastner Cup. > > This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. > > Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire. > > Regards, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you > haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it > be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! > > Cheers, > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing >> the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. >> Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail >> regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race >> car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. >> >> The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario >> originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard >> 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle >> which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the >> drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of >> gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the >> diff and lower the prop shaft. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup.? This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire.? Regards, Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/? What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the diff and lower the prop shaft. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 16:12:53 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car References: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295@mail.yahoo.com> Brad... That was always a dream of mine as well. Gloria Southern Cross (Long Bonnet version). Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Well...it has a Spitfire block... I guess that puts an end to my dream of driving a Gloria Southern Cross in a Kastner Cup some day. :-) Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:46 AM Joe Alexander wrote: Thanks Brad, It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner Cup grid would not be a good idea.? Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup.? This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire.? Regards, Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/? What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. 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I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html [1] Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. [2] [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [4] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [5] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:27:50 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:27:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> References: , <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will be answering that shortly. ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 5:03 PM To: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. This is a very good question. Rick Parent can answer that in a more detailed form. Thank you for asking. (I am not sure about the ?slapping? part). Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: ? Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? thanks mike On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: Mordy, Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: Kas? Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst > wrote: > > Triple _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:36:42 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: <6baeb66338ee1780353e698140a0320aece86349@webmail> References: <6baeb66338ee1780353e698140a0320aece86349@webmail> Message-ID: It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: > > ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html > > > > Tom > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net > Cc: "Joe Alexander" > Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 > > And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. >> >> Only to resurface now with this good stuff. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! >>>> >>>> Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 >>>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>>> biertijd.com >>>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look [1]https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html [2] Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. [3] [4] [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [6] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [7] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 SUBJECT: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 THIS IS REALLY COOL?! DON'T BLINK! CAR GUYS WILL LOVE THIS AND EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT A _'CAR GUY_', IT REALLY IS AMAZING! 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 16:52:43 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 References: <1841533862.11012935.1578959563773.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1841533862.11012935.1578959563773@mail.yahoo.com> Whatever/Whoever....but it was GREAT!!!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? 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I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) ________________________________ No virus found in this message. 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If, due to the security risks, you do not wish to receive further communications via e-mail, please reply to this message and inform the sender that you do not wish to receive further e-mail . > On Jan 13, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > ?Mordy, > > Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. > > You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. > > There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: > > Kas? Expenses > Tent & Accessories > Trophies > Golf Car for Kas. > Miscellaneous. > > Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. > > What a marvelous group of people! > > There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. > > Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com > > Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. > > REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! > > > Best Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: >> >> Triple -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Jan 13 17:21:23 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <440596117.11004873.1578959772551.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <440596117.11004873.1578959772551@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1168048451.7303539.1578961283051@mail.yahoo.com> Not to worry, there?s some Triumph ?kids? on here as well. ? I had always planned on not getting old, but my Dad tells me that ?it?s better than the alternative.? ? Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, January 13, 2020, 7:10 PM, marty via Fot wrote: #yiv4141184569 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}You know you sent this to the FOT right?? ? Marty Youngsters...take note. ?Getting old is not?for the meek. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: AS I said before I've slowed down The mind ids the first to go............. ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Cc: "fot at autox.team.net", "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 6:36:42PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?!?? Don't blink! ????Car guys will love this and even if you'renot a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: AS I said before I've slowed down The mind ids the first to go............. -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Cc: "fot at autox.team.net", "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 6:36:42PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?!?? Don't blink! ????Car guys will love this and even if you'renot a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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Motoring on in NORCAL Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 13 23:29:35 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:29:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main.? I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. Cheers, Tony D On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Tue Jan 14 02:49:01 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 09:49:01 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and I will get one. But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to fill in these forms and pay the fee?? FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, SVRA or whatever? Thank you! John PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed that was OK. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 05:27:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 07:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 05:27:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 07:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:34:51 2020 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (Dick Stockton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 19:34:51 -0200 Subject: [Fot] bolts use arp studs dick Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:07:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> References: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> John: You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178083 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I > contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw > several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. > Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" > Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist > on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and > I will get one. > > But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! > "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to > fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card > Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to > help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to > let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North > America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to > fill in these forms and pay the fee?? > > FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK > to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined > to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit > more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I > have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, > SVRA or whatever? > > Thank you! > John > > PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A > working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read > that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed > that was OK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:07:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> References: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> John: You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178083 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I > contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw > several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. > Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" > Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist > on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and > I will get one. > > But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! > "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to > fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card > Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to > help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to > let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North > America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to > fill in these forms and pay the fee?? > > FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK > to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined > to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit > more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I > have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, > SVRA or whatever? > > Thank you! > John > > PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A > working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read > that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed > that was OK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 06:16:10 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 > (4.0?) > Just did this on Tony?s advice. > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center > main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > > > Cheers, Tony D > > > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear > head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what > are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:19:30 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> References: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> Message-ID: PS: All the forms and regulations you need are on the SVRA web site and can be down loaded from there. The referenced homologation forms are the normal FIA forms that define the basic specifications of the car. You don?t need to fill these out, but they make a handy source of information. I sweated about getting these but Found them easily on line. Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card >> Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined >> to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit >> more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:19:30 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> References: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> Message-ID: PS: All the forms and regulations you need are on the SVRA web site and can be down loaded from there. The referenced homologation forms are the normal FIA forms that define the basic specifications of the car. You don?t need to fill these out, but they make a handy source of information. I sweated about getting these but Found them easily on line. Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card >> Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined >> to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit >> more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 06:28:13 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:28:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <008e01d5cade$79628d70$6c27a850$@gmail.com> Always amazing what you all do to your engines. I do use ARP bolts for the head and the rods. Everything else is standard. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von John Styduhar via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 14:16 An: Phil Gott ; Nick Black Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Jan 14 08:43:15 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? Motoring on in NORCAL Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 08:51:58 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:51:58 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> References: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> Hi Rick, it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Jan 14 08:54:33 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> Message-ID: <171034955.7539212.1579017273786@mail.yahoo.com> John, John, John what are we to do with you haha. Please email kathy at svra.com she would be glad to walk you through the registration process, you will find it simple and straight forward I promise. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 08:19:50 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: PS: All the forms and regulations you need are on the SVRA web site and can be down loaded from there.? The referenced homologation forms are the normal FIA forms that define the basic specifications of the car. You don?t need to fill these out, but they make a handy source of information.? I sweated about getting these but Found them easily on line. Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages.? ? Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much!? Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick!? So welcoming!? ? But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even? a "Crew Card >> Application"!? What?? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you!? Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall.? I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations.? I want to, I am determined >> to do so.? But I am a stranger in a strange land.? Please may I have a bit >> more guidance?? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the? papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required.? A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders"? ? I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>? fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>? fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>? fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Jan 14 09:17:32 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1815964333.7512208.1579018652287@mail.yahoo.com> All the K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group, if you would like to also race in a standard SVRA run group you will have to pay the standard SVRA entry fee in addition to the K Cup fee, we have 3 cars doing this already. So if you want to slap some MG guys around I'm good with that but be for warned they will slap back, metaphorically speaking of course, haha. On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:17:31 PM EST, mordy dunst via Fot wrote: How great! ? 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Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: Triple _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 14 10:01:58 2020 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:01:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> References: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <802003408.178756.1579021319408@connect.xfinity.com> Ken Knight set mine up and milled the center main cap flat for better contact with the strap. jim g > On January 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. > > I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. > > The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 > An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer > Cc: FoTTriumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap > > > > Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. > > > > As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. > > > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 14 10:10:50 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:10:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jan 14 Kastner Cup Updates Message-ID: I was going to do a big update later but with all the questions coming in I will post what I know. * On track sessions: The participants in the Kastner Cup will have our own track sessions all weekend. Friday morning practice, Friday afternoon qualifying, Saturday morning qualifying, Saturday afternoon Feature Race 1, Sunday last race before lunch will be the Kastner Cup feature. All these are part of the featured marque registration. If you want to also run the regular group races in addition to these you will purchase a standard race entry also. There is a practice day on Thursday for additional cost. * Dogs: Dogs are permitted, must be on a leash and you must pick up after them. * Sunday Night: We are permitted to spend Sunday night at the facility and depart on Monday, you will have to pull out of the paved paddock if you are there and park in the grass. We will have access to the Showers and bathroom Sunday night. * RV Dump Station: There is an RV dump station at the track. I have no idea how easy it is to get there though. * SVRA will be doing hero cards for all the Triumph drives. They will be asking for a picture from those that register at some point in time. Do not send pictures to me. * Saturday Dinner: The Saturday track dinner is NOT included in the free entry. * There is no electricity in the Paddock. * Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jan 14 10:42:15 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1766146197.11381996.1579023735460.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1766146197.11381996.1579023735460@mail.yahoo.com> A strap is an intermediate step. ? In my opinion unless that main cap is anchored to the block -?it moves. ?So,??I surface grind the main cap flat. ?Make a stout steel strap thick enough to almost be at level of block. ?Naturally?Appropriately dimensioned?-?legnth and width. ?Holes large enough within the strap?to accept 12 pt nuts on 1/2 studs. ?Additinal tapped holes in the cap?strap to secure the 1/2? plate. ? Sandwhiched oil pan gaskets top and bottom. ? I use a prepared stock crank- Not a?billet. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, January 14, 2020,?Bob Kramer via Fot??wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jan 14 11:11:06 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> I cant attach an image of setup on FOT email. So ill place photo on my instagram @gasket.works.? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, January 14, 2020,?JAMES GRAY via Fot??wrote: Ken Knight set mine up and milled the center main cap flat for better contact with the strap. jim g On January 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Rick, ? it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. ? Cheers Chris ? ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap ? Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. ? As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. ? On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? ? Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer ? ? On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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There is a practice day on Thursday for additional cost. > - Dogs: Dogs are permitted, must be on a leash and you must pick up > after them. > - Sunday Night: We are permitted to spend Sunday night at the facility > and depart on Monday, you will have to pull out of the paved paddock if you > are there and park in the grass. We will have access to the Showers and > bathroom Sunday night. > - RV Dump Station: There is an RV dump station at the track. I have no > idea how easy it is to get there though. > - SVRA will be doing hero cards for all the Triumph drives. They will > be asking for a picture from those that register at some point in time. Do > not send pictures to me. > - Saturday Dinner: The Saturday track dinner is NOT included in the > free entry. > - There is no electricity in the Paddock. > - Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, > Fuel Available > We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. > - Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane > - Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane > - 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane > - Premium Unleaded 93 Octane > > > > Marty Sukey > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dbm.spitfire at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jan 14 14:00:16 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 21:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the correct repair.Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits.Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded.Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen.You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally even all around the journal.When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side of the journal; it will be very obvious.At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still be there unless weight is reduced.This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. Glen On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 14:07:51 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:07:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> If the block is cracking from head stud to water jacket, it is normally caused by tightening the head studs in the block. To avoid cracks, run the studs in by hand, without any tool. That is enough. Tighten them will split the block. The torque of the head nuts are at the limit of what the block can take, that?s why the split in the thread hole zone when the studs are wrenched in. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von fubog1 via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 22:00 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the correct repair. Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally even all around the journal. When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side of the journal; it will be very obvious. At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still be there unless weight is reduced. This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. Glen On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:17:44 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:17:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken Gilanders and others advised us to chamfer those stud holes to prevent raised edges as well. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:00 PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the > correct repair. > Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good > up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well > balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. > Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight > heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. > Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore > and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. > You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very > carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally > even all around the journal. > When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side > of the journal; it will be very obvious. > At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still > be there unless weight is reduced. > This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. > > Glen > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:20:26 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed. Mine was a TR3 block and they had less meat than the later blocks, thus more susceptible to the cracking. The crack was only found when it got bigger, multiple head gaskets later. This was in 1997, before I knew any better. A healthy TR4 block was the permanent solution. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > If the block is cracking from head stud to water jacket, it is normally > caused by tightening the head studs in the block. > > To avoid cracks, run the studs in by hand, without any tool. That is > enough. > > Tighten them will split the block. > > > > The torque of the head nuts are at the limit of what the block can take, > that?s why the split in the thread hole zone when the studs are wrenched in. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *fubog1 via Fot > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 22:00 > *An:* fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Main brg strap > > > > That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the > correct repair. > > Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good > up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well > balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. > > Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight > heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. > > Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore > and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. > > You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very > carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally > even all around the journal. > > When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side > of the journal; it will be very obvious. > > At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still > be there unless weight is reduced. > > This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:38:48 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF5E278-DACF-4BFF-983B-4455F075E23E@yahoo.com> Yeah that stud at the drivers side rear of the block. I?ve kept it in check with sealant and lead washers for several years. The stud held torque but it now allows water up the stud and created a milkshake last time out. So, it?s time to refresh it and since I have another block... Would like to change my own block as well... Nick in norcal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:38:48 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF5E278-DACF-4BFF-983B-4455F075E23E@yahoo.com> Yeah that stud at the drivers side rear of the block. I?ve kept it in check with sealant and lead washers for several years. The stud held torque but it now allows water up the stud and created a milkshake last time out. So, it?s time to refresh it and since I have another block... Would like to change my own block as well... Nick in norcal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:48:03 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:48:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70039420-F6B7-4B71-A028-F83EF9183C07@yahoo.com> JOHN Once again you have saved the day with your info Thanks for the help from everyone... and now the fun starts Need more than a new coat of paint in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:16 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > ? > ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB > ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 > ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 > > longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB > > Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 > > center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) >> Just did this on Tony?s advice. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. >> > >> > Cheers, Tony D >> > >> >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:48:03 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:48:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70039420-F6B7-4B71-A028-F83EF9183C07@yahoo.com> JOHN Once again you have saved the day with your info Thanks for the help from everyone... and now the fun starts Need more than a new coat of paint in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:16 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > ? > ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB > ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 > ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 > > longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB > > Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 > > center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) >> Just did this on Tony?s advice. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. >> > >> > Cheers, Tony D >> > >> >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 12:35:38 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 19:35:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup overcrew and Dinner tickets Message-ID: Extra crew passes and dinner tickets can be purchased at the registration booth when you arrive at the track. Saturday dinner is not included in the free entry. Its nothing special at all. We will probably just cook out at the trailer that evening. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 15:38:53 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043991451.12199702.1579127933225@mail.yahoo.com> Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 15:53:03 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> Message-ID: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 ? _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 15 16:36:55 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501@mail.yahoo.com> A GREAT lady! ?She blessed one of our Wine & Cheese parties once at Road America?with her presence. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 15, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5579.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2818817 bytes Desc: IMG_5579.JPG URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 16:40:35 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:40:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: , <1043991451.12199702.1579127933225@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: I bet that got your attention. Marty ________________________________ From: Barr, Scott Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:38 PM To: marty ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] FOT photos Such as this? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of marty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT photos Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack? ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT photos Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jan 15 16:44:44 2020 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Various race bits of sale References: <1174194337.36850.1579131884346.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1174194337.36850.1579131884346@mail.yahoo.com> I parted out my TR6 race car.? Lots of the parts are for any racing application.? 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 17:18:35 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:18:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack? ? > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT photos > > Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 17:48:36 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> References: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <805293875.8132336.1579135717012@mail.yahoo.com> I didn?t quite get the full set from the USVGP, but my car sports a Shawn Frank signature photo. (father-son image no less). These cards are cool that SVRA does!?I should have thought to have all you guys sign them!! ?? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:18 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack??? Marty From: Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT photos?Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I should have thought to have all you guys sign them!! > > Dave G > [image: Inline image] > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:18 PM, Brad Eells via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda > looks like I'm leading the pack? ? > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Fot] FOT photos > > Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed > for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. > Message me or call. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 15 19:33:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen > held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and > D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), > so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, > I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close > enough that I could sneak in without being noticed. Unfortunately, my > Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of > the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". > > Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits > unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to > the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, > said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way. When > he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said > I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked > all day!" > > I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. > > Jack > > On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > > Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late > 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and > done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out > to the team. > > Times have changed. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: >>> 06/27/16 > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 15 19:33:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen > held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and > D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), > so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, > I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close > enough that I could sneak in without being noticed. Unfortunately, my > Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of > the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". > > Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits > unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to > the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, > said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way. When > he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said > I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked > all day!" > > I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. > > Jack > > On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > > Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late > 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and > done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out > to the team. > > Times have changed. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: >>> 06/27/16 > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 05:29:31 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:29:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you there Thanks Brian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > I won't touch that one... :-) > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I > could. > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, > maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of > the weekend. > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... > we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs > Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine > coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that > soon. > > This is getting exciting. > > See you all there!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WG16-2964 (1).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5531823 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 07:01:37 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:01:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard > others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember > to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. > I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled > with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn > from the manual. > > Suggestions? > > See you there > Thanks > Brian > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: > >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >> could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, >> maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of >> the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >> soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 16 08:46:17 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management of the K Cup directors. All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track with any SVRA run groups. All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear including a Fuel Cell. If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and we all know how much that is, nothing right?? You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a vacation. I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewalsvra.com | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 09:21:53 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:21:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, based on what you said, that is not what the entry form says: * Kastner Cup Triumph Featured Marque - SVRA Sprint Series - Triumphs select this option for Sprint Series - $100 Deposit Required - credit issued on green flag * On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Rick Parent wrote: > You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify > things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. > > SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management > of the K Cup directors. > > All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track > with any SVRA run groups. > > All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear > including a Fuel Cell. > > If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will > need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and > we all know how much that is, nothing right? > > You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour > Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. > lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there > was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a > vacation. > > > I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. > > > On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be > waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you > need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Thu Jan 16 10:08:15 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:08:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). -john John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > mike h > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>> >>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>> >>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>> >>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>> >>> This is getting exciting. >>> >>> See you all there!!! >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 16 10:27:02 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:27:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00795249-d1c4-c9d7-a969-312156f37065@tonydrews.com> Gopro cameras can't create files larger than 4 GB, so it creates multiple files.? Depending on the settings, you'll get more or less of them.? Go Pro has some free software you can use to put them together, I use a cheap video editing program instead.? The file size is due to the storage card, there's not much to be done about it. - Tony D On 1/16/2020 6:29 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've > heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when > I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it > stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so > minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what > I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. > > Suggestions? > > See you there > Thanks > Brian > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > > wrote: > > I won't touch that one... :-) > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone > if I could. > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us > again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full > sprint most of the weekend. > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a > ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North > American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The > Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to > other publications. More on that soon. > > This is getting exciting. > > See you all there!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 10:31:10 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with > older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing > if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have > some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... > https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should > think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be > stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio > quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used > whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. > The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in > the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work > best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will > make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I > believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, > RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit > them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo > embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something > like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like > integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them > as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras > https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > mike h > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: > >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >> from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >> wrote: >> >>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>> >>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>> could. >>> >>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>> most of the weekend. >>> >>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>> soon. >>> >>> This is getting exciting. >>> >>> See you all there!!! >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would also like to bring a guest. > The request ... does anyone have any available pit passes (I could do some pit work, but limited due to back surgery)? > Even harder, does anyone have a car.they would trust me with, to give my guest a ride on the track? > I assume there may be an opportunity to take street cars out, but I'd really like to do this in a real car.... and I may have my suburban there, which doesnt handle quite like my spit did... > Thanks > Tom > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 16 13:33:32 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1978373161.8441031.1579206812405@mail.yahoo.com> Hi John, That was before the K Cup had its own run group. Generally the feature groups never have enough cars for their own run group and they would run in the normal groups all weekend until they are combined for the feature race on Sunday. On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:22:09 AM EST, John Styduhar wrote: Rick, based on what you said, that is not what the entry form says:?? ? Kastner Cup Triumph Featured Marque - SVRA Sprint Series - Triumphs select this option for SprintSeries - $100 Deposit Required - credit issued on green flag?? On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Rick Parent wrote: You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management of the K Cup directors. All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track with any SVRA run groups. All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear including a Fuel Cell. If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and we all know how much that is, nothing right?? You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a vacation. I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Thu Jan 16 15:44:19 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:44:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney > wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 07:05:09 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 14:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat.? During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby.? When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. Cylinder head studs:? I've heard lots of theories about them.? Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever".? My actual experience is closer to the latter.? During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise).? When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths).? I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break.? That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows:.? 48 - 9" studs.? 21 - 9 1/2" studs.? 71 - 5" studs.? 39 - 5 3/8" studs.? 12 - 5 1/2" studs This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A.? It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs.? I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them.? But that is a difficult step for a pack rat.? So, anyone have any ideas?? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship.? I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them.? The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. Thank you, and best regards, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 07:19:15 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:19:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E5FEEA8-9ABE-44CF-821C-05E3825FD659@gmail.com> Could you bring some of this stuff to the Kastner Cup, if you are able to join us? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. > > Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. > > So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows: > . 48 - 9" studs > . 21 - 9 1/2" studs > . 71 - 5" studs > . 39 - 5 3/8" studs > . 12 - 5 1/2" studs > > This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. > > I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. > > Thank you, and best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 08:19:07 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:19:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack When you figure it out let me know. I can attest the problem is made worse when you keep everything and then start using ARP studs. I too have never had a problem with a stock stud, loved the double thick head nuts from BFE, but also loved hex key removal feature of the ARP. Bob Kramer On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:06 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was > racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When > I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one > day. > > Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything > from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them > forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time > that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). > When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and > unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs > (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of > racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. > That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these > studs. > > So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as > follows: > . 48 - 9" studs > . 21 - 9 1/2" studs > . 71 - 5" studs > . 39 - 5 3/8" studs > . 12 - 5 1/2" studs > > This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner > of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is > slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, > to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. > > I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them > to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a > difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the > weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of > them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful > for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. > > Thank you, and best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 17 09:38:06 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:38:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks, Scott On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano > wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney > wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 17 09:53:44 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:53:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610924d0-3aa2-a7c6-52b3-ed735b8709c1@bradakis.com> On 1/14/20 11:11 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > I cant attach an image of setup on FOT email. So ill place photo on my > instagram @gasket.works. > > What sort of problem are you having sending a picture to the FOT list? mjb. From john at linneyweb.com Fri Jan 17 09:54:17 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:54:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: I?m going to be doing an article on mounting, but here?s the short version. Don?t use a suction cup. They fall off under the high g-loads of racing. The best mount I have found is GoPros own roll bar mount. If you hang the GoPro upside down on the roll bar it will automatically flip the recording the right way up, and you will also get less ?roof? in the shot. The best angle if you only have 1 camera is looking forward through the windshield. Record at 2.7K resolution to get the best stabilization. And try wide vs. linear to capture a little of the side action. Here?s their roll bar mount. Pricey but good. https://gopro.com/en/us/shop/mounts/large-tube-mount/AGTLM-001.html At the end of this my suction cup mount gives way. The camera survived. https://youtu.be/KCowea1ffvo > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > ?I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Fri Jan 17 10:01:55 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:01:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <0F664783-ADC6-4E4E-8E12-204C69EBC5C5@linneyweb.com> Also to Scott?s question on GT6. Here?s my video of a GT6. At the 2:50 mark you will see an interior shot from a GoPro. In a race car I would put the camera to the passenger side for a less obstructed view. https://youtu.be/DoVcDIZyTJQ The video also shows many different angles and mounting options if you don?t mind securing a bracket. One advantage of being internally mounted is that you will get a lot less wind noise in your audio. > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > ?I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So ill place photo on my > instagram @gasket.works. > > What sort of problem are you having sending a picture to the FOT list? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:44:38 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: Here is what GoPro footage looks like from the inside of John Frymark's GeeT6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkeqrqSgBoo *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:20 AM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 10:45:01 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <22961610.8769579.1579283101100@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Below is a video shot from inside a closed car, with a gopro suction cupped to the sunroof. ? I don?t change any settings on the camera from when it?s in (on) my TR4; the camera just ?works? without having to worry about light/dark contrast. ?Might be an issue if you have the camera in the way back, but I?d expect if it?s at swayback distance from the windshield you will have good luck. ?? Video is from a GoPro 7 Silver, at 1080p resolution, because I?m cheap and like having lots of video space. https://youtu.be/Q_WYZH869Yc? On my YouTube page you can see some in car from the Tr4 if you?d like to compare. Hope that helps!Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, January 17, 2020, 11:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website.GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. ?Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. ?I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks,Scott? On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279.? -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality.? I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell.? The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmITR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind).? I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit).? -john John Linneyhttps://classicmotorfilms.com408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ?Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large.A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you thereThanksBrian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could.? May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend.? I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com --? 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URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:49:46 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q Jason On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 11:03:44 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:03:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> Here?s a source that might give you ideas as you browse their website. ?Justin Filmtools: Hollywood's Source for Motion Picture and Digital Video Equipment and Supplies - Filmtools https://www.filmtools.com/ > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 11:19:18 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 13:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> Message-ID: I like mine on the back roll bar looking from shoulder height. It captures most of the gauges while I'm driving, kind of a ghetto data collection system for an analog car. mike On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 1:04 PM J Wagner via Fot wrote: > Here?s a source that might give you ideas as you browse their website. > ?Justin > > Filmtools: Hollywood's Source for Motion Picture and Digital Video > Equipment and Supplies - Filmtools > > https://www.filmtools.com/ > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Fri Jan 17 11:23:45 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <1862181347.8731977.1579285425797@mail.yahoo.com> Here is where I get my camera's, so many to choose from now. I bought one for 35$ about 6 years ago that I use to look down the carbs on the dyno when I was messing with SU's, they work great in my race cars as well. The video quality is wonderful! www.banggood.com XANES K1 4K WiFi Sports Camera 1080P 2.0 LCD HD 30m Waterproof DV Video Sport Extreme Go Pro Mini Recorder Sport Camera Bike & Bicycle from Sports & Outdoor on banggood.com | | | | | | | | | | | XANES K1 4K WiFi Sports Camera 1080P 2.0 LCD HD 30m Waterproof DV Video ... Banggood.com Online Shopping at Banggood.com? | | | On Friday, January 17, 2020, 12:01:57 PM EST, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website.GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. ?Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. ?I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks,Scott? On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279.? -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality.? I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell.? The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmITR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind).? I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit).? -john John Linneyhttps://classicmotorfilms.com408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ?Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large.A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you thereThanksBrian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could.? May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend.? I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com --? 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URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 14:04:14 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:04:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 14:04:14 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:04:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 15:07:47 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Message-ID: <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Jan 17 15:10:56 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:10:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com>, <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards, Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 15:14:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:14:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 4:11 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I > checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" > which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. > > If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the > "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio > Sportscar Course. > > c ya there! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Marty, > > I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they > don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as > available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be > available for us. > > Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, > Fuel Available > We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. > * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane > * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane > * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane > * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty wrote: > > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. >> >> If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. >> >> c ya there! >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Marty, >> >> I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. >> >> Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, >> Fuel Available >> We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. >> * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane >> * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane >> * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane >> * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 15:26:30 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:26:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). > On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. >> >> If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. >> >> c ya there! >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Marty, >> >> I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. >> >> Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, >> Fuel Available >> We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. >> * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane >> * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane >> * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane >> * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Jan 17 20:23:01 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <637424994.563535.1579317781727.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <637424994.563535.1579317781727@mail.yahoo.com> I called the office at Mid O. ?Of course they have 110 leaded fuel. ? Their web site is incorrect.?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?John Frymark MacBook via Fot??wrote: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ?Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 17 20:27:45 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request References: <369244126.561875.1579318065918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mark... Do we have a gremlin? I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from the FOT List ( which of course I have not). Do I/we have. Gremlin? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 17 20:29:28 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <1821346375.545653.1579318168361.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1821346375.545653.1579318168361@mail.yahoo.com> Mordy.., Did they mention...is that a LUCAS website? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?Mordy Dunst via Fot??wrote: I called the office at Mid O. ?Of course they have 110 leaded fuel. ? Their web site is incorrect.?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?John Frymark MacBook via Fot??wrote: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ?Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:28 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Jan 18 06:16:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> References: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <799B8670-E96D-4C25-B306-394E2200334E@aol.com> Bill; I had the same issue. It stopped when I realized I was accidentally hitting the ?unsubscribe message? when I was scrolling through some of the longer FOT message chains. Self induced issue! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:28 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 18 07:42:18 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 07:42:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> References: <369244126.561875.1579318065918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e441ad0-ceca-33c5-ada9-5154e799234f@bradakis.com> On 1/17/20 8:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from > the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > Man, what a boring night at work.? One trip to Ogden and back, 6.5 hours sitting at Roper yard watching the rails rust. Anyway, don't worry about it, it happens.? It might be from accidentally clicking on the personalized "Unsubscribe/Manage" link added to the end of each realtime message.? It could be you, or more likely another list member, since folks rarely edit out all that stuff when they post a response.? Or it may be from some random hacker who is going through the publicly accessible archives and finds the link which has not been edited out and clicks on it just to be a pain. On a side note, Januaru 2020 could be a record month for the number of FOT posts, thanks to the Mid Ohio discussions.? I'll have to do some cipherin' later on, check message counts for various months, see how we do. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jan 18 07:51:51 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request References: <996404244.680787.1579359111867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you, Mark. I must remember to send you a support?check for the New Year. And I will. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: On 1/17/20 8:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from > the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > Man, what a boring night at work.? One trip to Ogden and back, 6.5 hours sitting at Roper yard watching the rails rust. Anyway, don't worry about it, it happens.? It might be from accidentally clicking on the personalized "Unsubscribe/Manage" link added to the end of each realtime message.? It could be you, or more likely another list member, since folks rarely edit out all that stuff when they post a response.? Or it may be from some random hacker who is going through the publicly accessible archives and finds the link which has not been edited out and clicks on it just to be a pain. On a side note, Januaru 2020 could be a record month for the number of FOT posts, thanks to the Mid Ohio discussions.? I'll have to do some cipherin' later on, check message counts for various months, see how we do. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 18 08:02:19 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:02:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom > On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > > Resending second link to the detailed image. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock > wrote: > The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. > > It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg > > There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. > > Don > 1962 Triumph TR3B > (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder > wrote: > I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atr6racer at hotmail.com Sat Jan 18 08:12:59 2020 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:12:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> , Message-ID: Hi Tom, Long time no hear from! This is Sam Halkias from Westerville, I am in need of a late model cylinder head for a TR6. Any chance you have one? Sam ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Tom Householder via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 10:02 AM To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock > wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock > wrote: The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. Don 1962 Triumph TR3B (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder > wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 08:22:11 2020 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <334137543.8991799.1579360931611@mail.yahoo.com> Might be on to something Tom.? I know the British AA stocked small parts (belts, plugs etc.) in boxes around England in the old days.? If you were a member you got a key with your membership that opened the box.? I was lucky enough to find an original numbered badge and key years ago.? Maybe this was Standard Triumph's take on emergency parts for us folks on the "Continent"!! On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 10:02:29 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California ?A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. ?I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on? Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock wrote: The?Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car.? It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it.? There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models.? Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label.? The second image shows the contents list enlarged.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos.? I'll keep looking. Don1962 Triumph TR3B(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image. [3]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg [4] On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock wrote: The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. [6]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg [7] [8]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg [9] There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. Don1962 Triumph TR3B(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 09:11:54 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <299567954.15588839.1579363914448@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom.? Since this ad seems to apply to the early (small mouth) TR-3's, could they be talking about the kit which included the factory hard top, door handles (since the early TR-3 did not have them), different side curtains (with door handles, the flap at the bottom of the side curtain, or the zipper were not required), etc.? Basically to make the car like a hard top tourer?? There was such a kit, I'm just not sure what it was called. Jack On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 4:53:15 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. 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Name: TR3 Competitioin+Rally Accessories Catalog 2009 07.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 586796 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 09:32:03 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:32:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: <299567954.15588839.1579363914448@mail.yahoo.com> References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> <299567954.15588839.1579363914448@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Continental Touring Kit Triumph TR2/3 - TR2/3/3A/3B Forum - TR Register Forum https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/62397-continental-touring-kit-triumph-tr23/ > On Jan 18, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > Hi Tom. Since this ad seems to apply to the early (small mouth) TR-3's, could they be talking about the kit which included the factory hard top, door handles (since the early TR-3 did not have them), different side curtains (with door handles, the flap at the bottom of the side curtain, or the zipper were not required), etc. Basically to make the car like a hard top tourer? There was such a kit, I'm just not sure what it was called. > > Jack > > On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 4:53:15 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: > > > I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 18 09:42:34 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:42:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> References: <996404244.680787.1579359111867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/18/20 7:51 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Thank you, Mark. > > I must remember to send you a support?check for the New Year. > > And I will. > You're most welcome.? Too bad more people don't accidently click on the donate link ;-) mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 10:57:28 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:57:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. Message-ID: FOT: It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jan 18 11:08:04 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:08:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, I am pretty certain I will not be dragging the TR3 up from Austin. It is really tough for me to take a week off of work for racing. Saying that, I may fly up for the weekend for the festivities. such a great gathering shaping up, tough to miss out completely. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. > > These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. > > (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). > > > http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html > > Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. > > And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. > > The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. > > Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 16:23:00 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 23:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 - More Memories In-Reply-To: <1447213387.14336251.1579182345980@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> <1447213387.14336251.1579182345980@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1275187844.15765525.1579389782372@mail.yahoo.com> Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 19 07:16:49 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 14:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 - More Memories In-Reply-To: <2072898553.853447.1579404047488@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2072898553.853447.1579404047488.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2072898553.853447.1579404047488@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <121903700.15906670.1579443409142@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Bill.? I knew there was a reason I held on to this stuff for all these years. Jack On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 10:21:21 PM EST, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: GOOD STUFF Jack! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. 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It is really tough for me to take a week off of work for racing. > > Saying that, I may fly up for the weekend for the festivities. such a great gathering shaping up, tough to miss out completely. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?FOT: >> >> It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. >> >> These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. >> >> (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). >> >> >> http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html >> >> Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. >> >> And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. >> >> The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Sun Jan 19 15:39:54 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:39:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting Message-ID: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> Hi Scott. You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables, plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate. The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a Hero 5 is a better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up. All cameras checked out fine. As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and the camera will begin recording. For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. Per mounting. I prefer not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with all the vibration and variable momentum changes. My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" and mount point on the camera body (triangulate) helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. Hope this was helpful. Stephen Jones ---------------------------------------- From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting Hi Scott, I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q Jason On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I've been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John's email got me to look at the website. GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife's no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I'm down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here's the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I'm assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I'm also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what "exposure" to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks, Scott On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It's not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I'll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. I'll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). I'll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I'm also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). -john John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you there Thanks Brian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 18:58:35 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 19:58:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> References: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> Message-ID: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> I don?t think anyone replied yet about the question regarding whether lighting will be off if the car is mounted inside the car. ?You can alter the light metering from the ?averaging? setting that adjusts for the entire field of view or you can select spot metering, which will bias the exposure for what?s in the center of the field of view. ?In an enclosed sedan I mount the camera over my shoulder and use the spot metering setting, so what?s outside the car looks right, but if the interior is dark it may be harder to see the gauges or what?s going on in the footwell. I?ve usually mounted my ancient GoPro to the roll bar but I?m going to try one of the adhesive mounts that came with the clear plastic case ? but only because it?s inside the car, so if it falls it won?t end up on the track. ?I recall entering the track access road from the grid and a suction-cup mounted GoPro on an MGB ahead of me fell off and landed right in the middle of the road. ?A friend asked if I wanted to borrow his GoPro so I could get a rear view at CotA while my camera filmed the front. ?He had a large suction cup (at least 4? across) but after he attached it to the inside of the side window behind my seat I heard it fall to the floor. ?I had used Rain-X (the type for use inside to prevent fogging, which it really doesn?t do very well) and the mega suction cup refused to stick for more than a couple of minutes. Part of my routine is to click on the camera when we get the 3 minute warning, just before starting the engine up again. ?Remembering to click it off is a different matter. Duncan On Jan 19, 2020, 4:40 PM -0600, Stephen Jones via Fot , wrote: > Hi Scott. > > You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a?Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables,?plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD?cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate.?The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a?Hero 5 is a?better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up.?All cameras checked out fine. > > As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and ?the camera will begin recording. > > For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. > > Per mounting. I prefer?not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with?all the vibration and variable momentum changes.?My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" ?and mount point on the camera body (triangulate)?helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. > > Hope this was helpful. > > Stephen Jones > > > > > > > > From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM > To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting > > Hi Scott, > I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop.? It does a much better? job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track.? I'm watching this email thread with interest. > > One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car.? No more worrying about charging the camera battery.? The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. > https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q > > Jason > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > > > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250.? Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > > > > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield.? I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > > > > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? > > > > > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > > > > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > > > > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > > > > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > > > > > > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > > > > > > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > > > > > > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > > > > > > TR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > > > > > > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > > > > > > John Linney > > > > > > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > > > > > 408 887 8105 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > > > > > > > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mike h > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See you there > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I won't touch that one... :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. 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URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 19 21:13:07 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 04:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Pic crew References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. Thank you!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Mon Jan 20 09:09:12 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 08:09:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pic crew In-Reply-To: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> Hi Shawn. Sorry to hear. I am solid this year so far, but I?d be happy to add your GoPros under my perview. I can make sure they are charged and mounted for the race on any cars you need. I may need help ensuring they are all started. I would also love to have their footage available for the race edit I will be producing. Hope that helps. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. Thank you!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 20 15:46:02 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Pic crew In-Reply-To: <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <1707846638.1615485.1579560362756@mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there and am working on a crew. I'd be OK if you wanted to use my footage, even if it is just for a second at a different angle. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:09 AM, John Linney wrote: Hi Shawn. Sorry to hear. I am solid this year so far, but I?d be happy to add your GoPros under my perview. I can make sure they are charged and mounted for the race on any cars you need. I may need help ensuring they are all started. I would also love to have their footage available for the race edit I will be producing. Hope that helps. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. 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URL: From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Tue Jan 21 05:03:50 2020 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:03:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015601d5d052$d9c045d0$8d40d170$@roadrunner.com> Jack, I would suspect that there are many TR's out there that have incorrect length cylinder head studs installed. If you were to make up proper sets of stud kits, you could recoup some of your financial investment by selling "correct" stud sets? I'd be in line for purchase as I am pretty sure my TR3A is not correct in this department. Tim Hutchisen Norway ME From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 9:05 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows: . 48 - 9" studs . 21 - 9 1/2" studs . 71 - 5" studs . 39 - 5 3/8" studs . 12 - 5 1/2" studs This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. 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As written, it calls for 13 studs! -- Randall From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 21 09:17:36 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:17:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP ENTRIES Message-ID: Holding steady at 38 entries. Maybe paddock space wont be as big a worry as I had imagined. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Tue Jan 21 11:20:38 2020 From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:20:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Head Studs Message-ID: <000001d5d087$7bbd8d00$7338a700$@klaenv.com> The lengths and positions for the head studs on the TR-3/4 motors is in the manual. By this time ALL original head studs, rod bolts, main cap bolts and assorted nuts/washers are scrap metal only for a race motor. Main cap bolts should be thrown away and replaced by ARP studs. If you use the ARP head stud kit (Moss carries it) refer to the tech section in the ARP manual on these fasteners as it is very interesting. The ARP manual is on-line. In general I do the following; 1. I mark the bottom of all head studs with a # using an electric scribe. I lightly sand flat. 2. Using a 12" caliper I measure and record the length of all of the studs on my build sheet, 1 through 10. Try to do this at about 70 degrees F. 3. When rebuilding the motor I recheck the lengths of each stud and when it has stretched .001 beyond new I replace it as it is in failure. This will happen after several rebuilds, possible 5 or 6. The ARP spec is to replace after .0005, I just looked it up, but that is damn hard to measure with a caliper and I do not have a 12" micrometer. This is not F1 where they just get replaced after one race. 4. When installing I always use ARP lube and a good torque wrench. Quality fasteners are like a springs, they need to be stretched to work properly but there is a limit as to how many times this will happen with the fastener going back to it's original length. They will not hold proper toque when they start to fail. On a lightly stressed street motor this may not be so important, on a race motor the bang can cost thousands. All of the fasteners in an engine (the critical ones like head studs, rod bolts, main studs) are consumable items in a race motor. I also only install rod bolts with a stretch gauge. I find that the torque to proper stretch, say .005, will vary as much as 5 pounds per bolt. Each brand of rod bolt has a stretch spec for that specific bolt. That's my 2 cents on the subject. Good Racing All, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jan 21 22:56:51 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 22:56:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 nylatron bushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <878e3afb-ede6-039b-4e29-ea0186273185@bradakis.com> It has been some time, but I am pretty sure I got a set of Nylatron bushings from Triumph Tune in the UK.? And then I went to a local plastic supplier, bought like a 10 or 12 foot rod of Nylatron and turned my own on the lathe.? The custom made ones might still be on Killer, I'll find out when I get the car in the garage and start bringing it back to life. mjb. From john at linneyweb.com Mon Jan 20 23:45:53 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:45:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> References: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> Message-ID: <546D1C89-8159-4D1C-AC21-E3439A9669BB@linneyweb.com> Action cameras don?t have great dynamic range so as Duncan says, expose for outside. With the Hero 6 and later things got better. By using a Hero 7 Black or 8 Black and exposing for outside you will see quite a bit more detail of what?s going on in the shadows on the inside than with earlier cameras. Less expensive cameras save costs with cheap plastic lenses and sensors that don?t do well in challenging lighting conditions like what you are describing. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > > ? > I don?t think anyone replied yet about the question regarding whether lighting will be off if the car is mounted inside the car. You can alter the light metering from the ?averaging? setting that adjusts for the entire field of view or you can select spot metering, which will bias the exposure for what?s in the center of the field of view. In an enclosed sedan I mount the camera over my shoulder and use the spot metering setting, so what?s outside the car looks right, but if the interior is dark it may be harder to see the gauges or what?s going on in the footwell. > > I?ve usually mounted my ancient GoPro to the roll bar but I?m going to try one of the adhesive mounts that came with the clear plastic case ? but only because it?s inside the car, so if it falls it won?t end up on the track. I recall entering the track access road from the grid and a suction-cup mounted GoPro on an MGB ahead of me fell off and landed right in the middle of the road. A friend asked if I wanted to borrow his GoPro so I could get a rear view at CotA while my camera filmed the front. He had a large suction cup (at least 4? across) but after he attached it to the inside of the side window behind my seat I heard it fall to the floor. I had used Rain-X (the type for use inside to prevent fogging, which it really doesn?t do very well) and the mega suction cup refused to stick for more than a couple of minutes. > > Part of my routine is to click on the camera when we get the 3 minute warning, just before starting the engine up again. Remembering to click it off is a different matter. > > Duncan >> On Jan 19, 2020, 4:40 PM -0600, Stephen Jones via Fot , wrote: >> Hi Scott. >> >> You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables, plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate. The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a Hero 5 is a better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up. All cameras checked out fine. >> >> As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and the camera will begin recording. >> >> For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. >> >> Per mounting. I prefer not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with all the vibration and variable momentum changes. My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" and mount point on the camera body (triangulate) helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. >> >> Hope this was helpful. >> >> Stephen Jones >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM >> To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting >> >> Hi Scott, >> I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. >> >> One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. >> https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q >> >> Jason >> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. >> GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. >> >> Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. >> >> Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? >> >> Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: >> >> You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. >> >> https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera >> >> For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. >> >> -john >> >>> >>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >>> >>> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >>> >>> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>> >>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>> >>>> Suggestions? >>>> >>>> See you there >>>> Thanks >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 932486 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Fri Jan 24 12:48:49 2020 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 19:48:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What are the dates Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 24 13:43:48 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:43:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <24fc7749-751d-0ffa-d988-16c0348e6858@bradakis.com> Great, thanks for refreshing my memory.? I sort of remember hearing about this car from a fellow named Sean Green, from the Seattle area, who autocrossed a TR6.? Sean's car spent several hours in my shop one Saturday night getting some work done so he could make a run on Sunday at a divisional SCCA event out at Wendover.? What a night that was. Really looking forward to this year's Cup event, can hardly wait! mjb. From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Fri Jan 24 13:45:54 2020 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I have one. A trumpet with trumpets Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? > > mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Jan 24 13:48:33 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:48:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> 6/19 6/26 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken wrote: > > ?What are the dates > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> >> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com >> >> From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 13:49:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 14:49:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5F03D16C-381E-403F-AEA3-50644ED0EE83@gmail.com> Kreger. Kastner Cup Recipient. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 24, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? > > mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 14:09:49 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:09:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> References: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I signed up for both but I need to make it through the Wild Hare and Jefferson 500 first. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 3:51 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > 6/19 6/26 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken > wrote: > > > > ?What are the dates > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport > Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you > have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tow from Washington nice to get a couple of birds with one stone Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 12:48 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > ?6/19 6/26 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken wrote: >> >> ?What are the dates >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com >>> >>> From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jan 24 16:34:27 2020 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:34:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> , <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Hasn?t every one who?s Quick ? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: Didn?t he blow the engine at Watkins Glen? JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. 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JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. Irv Korey ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 24 17:25:03 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 19:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> , <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647>, Message-ID: That car was impressively fast, great preparation and excellent driver. Does he still race the car? Maybe it was an overheating issue at WG, I just know I was disappointed that he pulled off and we didn?t get to see him perform again. I also recall running into him at the airport on our way home from Hallet. Nice guy and good conversation. JVV From: marty Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: Irv Korey ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? And even some of us who aren't. ? Marty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fot on behalf of Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:34 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Irv Korey ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? Hasn?t every one who?s Quick ? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Didn?t he blow the engine at Watkins Glen? JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. 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It is in 3 parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lSeDS9KxIAc/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3 This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa... www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lqlo9yWEeCU/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 2 of 3 This is the second of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This w... www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OIbN3zTQw1c/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 3 of 3 This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa... www.youtube.com Also Triumphs on the false grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pE5eLoFHf6Y/maxresdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false grid This video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged... www.youtube.com YoursinTriumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, January 26, 2020,?Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot??wrote: #yiv5344612212 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} From: Styduhar, Daniel Lee Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent?I have uploaded to Youtube video from the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix which was taken of the Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tentand some video of Triumphs staged in the false grid. These links should get you there. It is in 3 parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...www.youtube.com | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 2 of 3This is the second of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This w...www.youtube.com | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 3 of 3This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...www.youtube.com | Also Triumphs on the false grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false gridThis video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged...www.youtube.com | YoursinTriumph _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Jan 26 21:12:49 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d5d4c8$0a72efb0$1f58cf10$@cox.net> I have Bill Thummel's BRG nr 17. No engine or gearbox. I am considering whether to bring it back to a street car or sell/trade it for a street TR3. It looks very solid with no rust and I have a straight frame sandblasted and painted if I wanted to go for a total rebuild. I will let you all know which direction I will go in the Spring (when I get back from FL). Does anyone have a solid street TR3 they might be willing to trade plus or minus? I will have a race engine with zero hours and an overdrive gearbox in the Spring. My email is hankgiffin at cox.net. Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 From: Fot On Behalf Of Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing Mike Jackson in number 62 TR3 and Bill Thumel in number17 TR3 in close racing at 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. This is the Youtube link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZa6r8sklgE 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing Mike Jackson in number 62 TR3 and Bill Thumel in number17 TR3 in close racing at 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix www.youtube.com YoursinTriumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1158 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 09:47:46 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:47:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 at a race meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is the first TR-4 to be raced in the USA. It was owned an driven by Charlie gates and prepared by Kas Kastner in the new Competition Department. Many many many racing parts were developed on this car including camshafts, push rods, valve springs, brake pads, clutch disc, head gaskets, pistons, wheels and on & on. That era was when the regulations for racing were very very tight. I suspect that is about 1962-63 *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:24 AM trguru at btinternet.com wrote: > > A car that will be rather familiar to one of you > > > > yours David > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 27 10:14:16 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Stuff - Unloading References: <1559671314.20551214.1580145258583.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1559671314.20551214.1580145258583@mail.yahoo.com> I hope I'm not bothering anyone with this stuff, but I actually have been able to get rid of some of the stuff I have turned up in my recent "shop clearing" activities.? I've attached a few pictures.? The first 2 are of a bunch of TR-2, 3, and 4 front suspension steering stop locks.? The 4 at the top are taller than the rest (may be for the TR-4A?).? They measure .555" tall, while all the others (standard tor TR-2, 3 & 4?) measure .320" tall.? As indicated in the latest Moss catalog, Page 41, these are part number 661-500, and they are listed as NLA.? I suspect they are NLA because they seldom go bad - i.e. not a high wear item.? Only problem is they might get lost.? Anyway, I have ended up with a bunch of them, which I would be happy to get rid of.? Make me an offer of something to cover shipping and my time, and let me know how many you want. The third picture is of some old wheel studs.? These are left over from my race car days.? They are all new, bought, but never got used.? The 9 along the bottom are 3" long by 1/2" diameter.? These are Moroso studs, which I used on all 4 corners of my car.? The ones at the top are samples of other studs that I have.? I have 10 of the ones on the left, and 14 of the ones on the right.? The left ones are 2 1/2" long by 1/2" diameter.? I used these when I was using a unique hub/spacer combination that needed a long knurled area under the head.? These all have a 1" knurled area under the head.? The ones on the right are the same, except they are 3" long. I also have about 35 miscellaneous studs (not pictured) of shorter lengths (between 1" and 2") with different heads.? 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Many many many racing parts were developed on this car > including camshafts, push rods, valve springs, brake pads, clutch disc, > head gaskets, pistons, wheels and on & on. That era was when the > regulations for racing were very very tight. I suspect that is about 1962-63 > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:24 AM trguru at btinternet.com < > trguru at btinternet.com> wrote: > >> >> A car that will be rather familiar to one of you >> >> >> >> yours David >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 28 14:34:56 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Message-ID: I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn?t seem right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m guessing the instructions don?t vary much. Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:01:32 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. Jason On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a > *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a > sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn?t seem > right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m > guessing the instructions don?t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Jan 28 18:50:24 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:50:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <601D553B-A727-4E9F-B472-924EA5571C90@icloud.com> Same here but in my case for big TRs. Also recheck the preload after a very brief break-in period. Sometimes things settle in and I have heard of loss of preload. If you have never done it, the preload can seem like a very stiff bearing setup. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Scott, > Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. > > Jason > >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a >> 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! >> >> Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn?t seem right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, >> which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All testing is performed with the seal removed. >> >> Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. >> >> Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m guessing the instructions don?t vary much. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 20:03:38 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have a digital torque wrench check it, there may be an option. Not long ago I found inch pounds option on the one I borrowed On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 5:01 PM Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > Hi Scott, > Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial > type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book > preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've > noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I > measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. > > Jason > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > >> I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings >> should be assembled with spacers to yield a >> *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a >> sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! >> >> Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn?t seem >> right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, >> which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All >> testing is performed with the seal removed. >> >> Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load >> right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. >> >> Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m >> guessing the instructions don?t vary much. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 28 20:06:57 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:06:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a > _12-16 lb/inch pre-load,_ using a bar affixed to the input flange and > a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs _per_ inch doesn???t seem > right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m > guessing the instructions don???t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jan 29 06:13:48 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:13:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> References: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 29 06:21:16 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:21:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8EF175F7-F107-4DC4-956C-52F65FC2AF82@me.com> Looking at the bearings I am replacing, there is evidence of slight uneven loading in the wear pattern. A pinion shaft is in a constant position of being forced to try to move out of alignment, over a very short axis. Think of it as attempting to climb out of the ring gear on every rotation. I?m sure the preload is to try to keep it in place with more equal wear on the bearings. On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:13 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jan 29 07:15:11 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads.Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss.Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 07:39:45 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:39:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Does someone know why that preload is necessary? > > Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion > wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. > Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further > wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost > and then they'll wear. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Bill Tobin > Cc: fot > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a > differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at > all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. > Marcel. > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a > socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how > much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque > wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either > add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and > thinner to increase I think. > With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and > measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over > tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I > know this!) > Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older > beam type. > Hope this helps. > Cheers Bill > On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? > *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a > sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn???t > seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m > guessing the instructions don???t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jan 29 10:26:15 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:26:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1960521941.3579594.1580318775593.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Glen, Thanks , that's a clear and sensible explanation! Marcel Van: "fubog1" Aan: "van mulders marcel" , "Bill Tobin" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 15:15:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch. with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 29 11:02:55 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of? preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other.? Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads.Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss.Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its a beautiful place to live, but I'm really missing the connection to the FOT, and a car to work on ... (other than my suburban) I'll be in Burlington tomorrow, if there is anyone there, I'd love to try to make a connection. Other than that, is there anyone around the state? Thanks, Tom ex #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 02:11:38 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:11:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch. with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Bill Tobin < [ mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net | william.tobin31 at verizon.net ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 02:16:08 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 02:16:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the > stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You > preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for > the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during > their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the > bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in > lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension > on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots > wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. > The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers > and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of? preload is required is > that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To > tight and the components slide over each other.? Too loose and they > cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a > lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Jan 30 02:22:13 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:22:13 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: You need clearance/end float in wheel hubs with tapered roller bearings to accommodate thermal expansion from heat generation in the braking system. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 8:12 PM To: barry rosenberg Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 02:46:48 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:46:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1802893470.6548546.1580377608916.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Peter, I agree but the same can be said about the differential bearings : the differential can get very hot too! I would rather stay with the explanation of Glen. B.t.w. : as the pinion is stretching, probably the preload will not cause friction loss at all when the differential is UNDER LOAD (accelerator pedal to the floor). Whatever the reason , you all have made it clear that the preload is necessary. Marcel Van: "Peter Vucinic" Aan: "van mulders marcel" , "barry rosenberg" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:22:13 Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] Differential Pre-load You need clearance/end float in wheel hubs with tapered roller bearings to accommodate thermal expansion from heat generation in the braking system. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://www.team.net/archive | http://www.team.net/archive ] Forums: [ http://www.team.net/forums | http://www.team.net/forums ] From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 8:12 PM To: barry rosenberg Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Bill Tobin < [ mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net | william.tobin31 at verizon.net ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 03:08:14 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:08:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> TeriAnn, Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn BQ_BEGIN Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fubog1" [ mailto:fubog1 at aol.com | ] , "Bob Kramer" [ mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 30 03:43:14 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rick Cline Cams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1803263865.149180.1580380994272@mail.yahoo.com> Ric Cline Sr. and Jr. live in Shady Dale, Ga. He is on Facebook. Ask him. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 02:39:34 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: I am getting ready to assemble an engine to replace the one I done blowed up proper at Watkins Glen. I have in my possession 3 Rick Cline Spitfire cams. a 293-5, a 293-7, and a 290-7. I am not the original purchaser of said cams and am looking for some guidance. Anybody have any knowledge of these cams and what would be their proper application engine build wise? Thanks.Marty?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 04:59:14 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 05:59:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. That would not be fun. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. > Marcel > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. > TeriAnn > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 05:50:40 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:50:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hallo Bob, the stub axle and bearings were discoloured by the heat and the stub axle was literally broken off, I don't remember anymore where. I suppose the inside threaded part was broken off. The inspector at the MOT obviously didn't know that these wheel bearings should have some free play, contrary to modern cars. My friend felt unsure about it and he didn't argue with the MOT inspector. He also did not undo the tightening when he had left the MOT station Marcel. Van: "Bob Kramer" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 12:59:14 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. That would not be fun. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN TeriAnn, Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel BQ_END Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn BQ_BEGIN Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fubog1" [ mailto:fubog1 at aol.com | ] , "Bob Kramer" [ mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 05:54:41 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 06:54:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Same answer as the diff. Too tight and the rollers are pressed too hard against the race, causing one radii edge of the roller bearing to slide continuously over the race. Too loose and the rollers are not kept in alignment and can and will roll at an angle (cocked) and wear quickly, eventually locking in a cocked position prior to catastrophic failure. Set them up right and there is mild tension on both the outer and inner rollers, friction causes them to roll over the race surface and Bob's your uncle. Bob Kramer On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:16 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub > axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they > quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a > bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated > (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There > does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or > the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt > the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the > outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down > a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the > rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that > it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and > the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. > Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't > spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 06:02:14 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 07:02:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Makes sense. If the tech assumed it was a modern style bearing, he would lock it down. Shame, shame. Since I never work on my street cars (who has time) I only about the newer styles when a wheel bearing failed on my daughters Escort ZX2 and daddy was called in to help! I learned then that the tapered bearings I was familiar with were completely different than the modern cage assemblies we see on American vehicles. Those do get swapped and locked in place. [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:50 AM wrote: > Hallo Bob, the stub axle and bearings were discoloured by the heat and the > stub axle was literally broken off, I don't remember anymore where. I > suppose the inside threaded part was broken off. > The inspector at the MOT obviously didn't know that these wheel bearings > should have some free play, contrary to modern cars. My friend felt unsure > about it and he didn't argue with the MOT inspector. He also did not undo > the tightening when he had left the MOT station > Marcel. > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"Bob Kramer" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Cc: *"TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "fot" < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 januari 2020 12:59:14 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to > speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was > ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been > answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already > sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers > back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. > That would not be fun. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. > There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened > these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke > off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : > besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be > repaired. > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub > axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they > quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a > bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated > (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There > does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or > the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt > the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the > outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down > a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the > rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that > it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and > the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. > Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't > spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example if the OEM tire is a 165r14 then the diameter is: D = (165?.8?2)/25.4 + 14 The radius is: R = D/2? The circumference is: C = 2xRx3.14159 ? ?This is the tire circumfrence, in inches, for which your speedometer is calibrated. If you want to keep that calibration, just reverse the equations above and start poking in numbers from available sizes. I do this in an Excel spreadsheet. WAY easier.? ?Just remember to include the new tire's aspect ratio. Old, unlabeled radials have an aspect ratio of about 0.8, as used above. Rick On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 12:11 AM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: Well, I screwed up.? Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas tires at a great price.? Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999.? Wow!? The size on the tire was 165R15.? Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch tires.? Crap.? Now I have to try to take them back.? They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them.? My question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel rim?? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price.? A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off.? 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter.? My head is about explode. 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Message-ID: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 30 08:09:16 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 30 08:17:56 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08D56AFE-879A-4294-AF2A-641DF80C0E16@me.com> we could certainly combine it with most VRG events on the east coast. They would be delighted to have us again. On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 08:59:26 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:59:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SVRA seems to be treating us well, maybe another event with them. COTA in November or Portland in July? mike h On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:40 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant > Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 30 09:18:19 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:18:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1674895994.473896.1580401099526@connect.xfinity.com> After I moved to California from Cleveland in 1984, I later made the trip back to Cleveland to bring my '63 Galaxie to California. The Galaxie had been not been used for a little while, so I renewed all the brake hydraulics and serviced the front wheel bearings, before I made the drive to CA with my brother Pat. Somewhere north of Nashville with Pat behind the wheel, I smelled burning rubber. I thought we must have been driving through an industrial area. A short time later, something broke and one front corner of the car dropped a little. I told my brother not to make any sudden moves, ease on the brakes and very carefully pull off the next exit, which was in close view. The exit ramp was gently curved and a quick-stop was near by. We carefully pulled into a parking spot and the front corner was smoking. I had a floor jack and tools in the trunk. I took out the floor jack and raised the corner. The wheel just fell off. The bearing had welded itself to the spindle axle and of course it snapped. We were very lucky that the wheel had stayed on. The brake drum kept it in place. We were stranded at a repair shop for a couple days while a replacement spindle was pulled off a '61 Country Squire in a scrap yard. I think I still have the welded bearing and axle somewhere. I hadn't set enough free-play. Live and learn. I still have the Galaxie and it gets lots of care and my brother Tom uses it quite often for pleasure and shows. Tom and I bought the car together as our first car in '79. It gets more attention than my TR in the paddock at the Rolex Reunion. It was my first restoration project when I was 17. Photo attached. Dave H. > On January 30, 2020 at 2:08 AM "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" wrote: > > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. > Marcel > > --------------------------------------------- > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > > Marcel > > > > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Van: "fot" mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > Aan: "fubog1" mailto:fubog1 at aol.com , "Bob Kramer" mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com > > Cc: "fot" mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. > > > > Barry > > > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. 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I know > the kits haven't been available from Moss for a while, but I'm wondering if > there's any rumors that they might become available again or if anyone in > the UK / Europe has a kit now. A supercharger would be perfect for this > dude because the engine is a bone stock late engine ('74) with the fairly > low compression ratio. > > Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Heck, I got close to 40 MPG in my Saturn Ion Redline and that sucker did naught to 60 in around 6 seconds and I had many slips of 13.9 seconds and 104 MPH at the nearest drag strip. Regarding turning the engine beyond 6k RPM, hopefully most of here are more than aware of the dangers there. Regards,Bob Lang On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 12:49:34 PM EST, robert bownes wrote: You want compression, I have a head with 0.250" taken off of it. Works great. Just don't put cheap gas in it!!! :) On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I got a request from an acquaintance regarding supercharging a TR6. I know the kits haven't been available from Moss for a while, but I'm wondering if there's any rumors that they might become available again or if anyone in the UK / Europe has a kit now. A supercharger would be perfect for this dude because the engine is a bone stock late engine ('74) with the fairly low compression ratio. Thanks in advance! Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Thu Jan 30 21:18:38 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 23:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? Message-ID: <013201d5d7ed$85fc1990$91f44cb0$@cox.net> I?m on the VDCA board with Mike. To further explain why the VIR race and the Jefferson 500 are listed in both groups schedules, we have an agreement that members from either group do not need to join the other group to race in either event. VRG runs the Jeff 500 and VDCA runs the VIR Wild Hare. Both groups offer significant track time for the buck. I echo Mike?s invite. We?d sure like to see the TRs back at VIR in 2021. Take care, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 From: Fot On Behalf Of Mike Jackson via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:38 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph ; Joe Alexander Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? The VIR race is a VDCA gig. We would be happy to have the TRiumph gang back again any time. Legendary track that looks like a state park that happens to have a race track. Look forward to seeing everyone at MO in June. Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Jan 30, 2020 11:44 AM To: Scott Janzen , Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? VIR with VRG would be a great venue. From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:17 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? we could certainly combine it with most VRG events on the east coast. They would be delighted to have us again. On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. 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URL: From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Wed Jan 1 05:56:38 2020 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Hi Glenn, Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. Tim Hutchisen Penn Ridge Motors Norway, ME From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM To: FOT list Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again Happy New Year Quick Question I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. 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Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover > off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It > eventually worked it's way in with time. > > Tim Hutchisen > > Penn Ridge Motors > > Norway, ME > > > > *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Glenn > Franco via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > *To:* FOT list > *Subject:* [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > > > Happy New Year > > Quick Question > > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one > that's been giving us fits. > > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper > overdrive shaft for the A-type. > > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply > pistons. > > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft > flange with an electric motor. > > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will > not drop. > > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was > loosened to relieve the pressure. > > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be > locked up and will not spin. > > Any ideas?? > > Thanks in advance > > Glenn > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4jay at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 06:54:15 2020 From: tr4jay at gmail.com (Jay Galbreath) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 08:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. Jay Galbreath WPTA On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen > wrote: > >> Hi Glenn, >> >> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances >> where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone >> clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake >> ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two >> or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will >> release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit >> Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover >> off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >> eventually worked it's way in with time. >> >> Tim Hutchisen >> >> Penn Ridge Motors >> >> Norway, ME >> >> >> >> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Glenn >> Franco via Fot >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM >> *To:* FOT list >> *Subject:* [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >> >> >> >> Happy New Year >> >> Quick Question >> >> I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one >> that's been giving us fits. >> >> Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper >> overdrive shaft for the A-type. >> >> The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the >> apply pistons. >> >> The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. >> >> The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft >> flange with an electric motor. >> >> The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will >> not drop. >> >> The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was >> loosened to relieve the pressure. >> >> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be >> locked up and will not spin. >> >> Any ideas?? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Glenn >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 1 07:57:37 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jay.? I'm glad that worked for you.? But 90 Wt. is pretty thick.? I used it when I first started racing in 1974, but eventually was persuaded by knowledgeable Triumph experts that 50 Wt. or even 30 Wt would reduce friction and improve performance.? Now that you have fixed the sticking problem you might give it a try. Jack On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 9:01:40 AM EST, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem.Jay GalbreathWPTA On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen wrote: Hi Glenn, Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. Tim Hutchisen Penn Ridge Motors Norway, ME ? From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM To: FOT list Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again ? Happy New Year Quick Question I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. Any ideas?? 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 1 08:03:03 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 10:03:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: In the gearbox that Tim is referring to, I used a brand new re-lined cone clutch in an OD unit that came from Bill Dentinger with Old Blue. No clue what the history of the unit was, but the cone clutch stuck to the brake ring in earnest for a several sessions. Operating pressure is in the low 400's. I did replace the oil with Redline MT-90 during my efforts to get the OD to release, and I am assuming the MT-90 helped. As Tim said, there were several laps around the paddock that first weekend with the car with the gearbox cover off and a mallet in hand, but it wasn't until the second weekend out with the car that the cone clutch released by itself. It is worth noting I didn't like the shifting feel with the Redline and went back to Brad Penn gear oil. That OD unit has been in the car for 20 race weekends now, and other than the need to bed in the cone clutch, it has performed flawlessly. Those A-types have proven pretty robust for me. Henry On 2020-01-01 08:54, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly > fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Glenn, >>> >>> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of >>> instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you >>> installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be >>> an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick >>> when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior >>> of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. >>> Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few >>> years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off >>> and exercising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >>> eventually worked it's way in with time. >>> ~~~ >>> FROM: Glenn Franco via Fot >>> SUBJECT: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >>> >>> >>> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to >>> be locked up and will not spin. >>> >>> Any ideas?? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Glenn From 4msonset at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 08:08:14 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:08:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <14E2A37B-E6D0-474A-B0A9-257BDE535A5E@gmail.com> Lev Andropov: ?This is how we fix problem in the Russian space station!? [hits panel with tool] -- Lev Andropov Armageddon (1998) ? > On Jan 1, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Tim Hutchisen via Fot wrote: > > Hi Glenn, > Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. > Tim Hutchisen > Penn Ridge Motors > Norway, ME > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > To: FOT list > Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > Happy New Year > Quick Question > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. > Any ideas?? > Thanks in advance > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Wed Jan 1 08:36:23 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 15:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> Message-ID: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. Happy New Year! to all!? Rick On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. Howdy do? Dave H. 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Name: Roll bar.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 797782 bytes Desc: not available URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 08:51:18 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 09:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In-Reply-To: <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <03ed01d5c0a2$e9af4370$bd0dca50$@roadrunner.com> <884972029.6587306.1577890657993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don?t forget that gearbox fluid doesn?t use the same measuring scale as engine oil. Duncan On Jan 1, 2020, 8:58 AM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: > Hi Jay.? I'm glad that worked for you.? But 90 Wt. is pretty thick.? I used it when I first started racing in 1974, but eventually was persuaded by knowledgeable Triumph experts that 50 Wt. or even 30 Wt would reduce friction and improve performance.? Now that you have fixed the sticking problem you might give it a try. > > Jack > > On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 9:01:40 AM EST, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > > > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen wrote: > > > Hi Glenn, > > > Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off and excersising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It eventually worked it's way in with time. > > > Tim Hutchisen > > > Penn Ridge Motors > > > Norway, ME > > > > > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco via Fot > > > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:04 PM > > > To: FOT list > > > Subject: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again > > > > > > Happy New Year > > > Quick Question > > > I have rebuilt numerous A-types over the last few years, but I have one that's been giving us fits. > > > Transmission was a TR6 and the mainshaft was replaced with the proper overdrive shaft for the A-type. > > > The A-type appears to be an early one with steel piston rings on the apply pistons. > > > The pump was replaced and puts out +300 psi during testing. > > > The overdrive and trans was tested by back spinning from the tailshaft flange with an electric motor. > > > The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. > > > The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. > > > Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. > > > Any ideas?? > > > Thanks in advance > > > Glenn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 7:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again In the gearbox that Tim is referring to, I used a brand new re-lined cone clutch in an OD unit that came from Bill Dentinger with Old Blue. No clue what the history of the unit was, but the cone clutch stuck to the brake ring in earnest for a several sessions. Operating pressure is in the low 400's. I did replace the oil with Redline MT-90 during my efforts to get the OD to release, and I am assuming the MT-90 helped. As Tim said, there were several laps around the paddock that first weekend with the car with the gearbox cover off and a mallet in hand, but it wasn't until the second weekend out with the car that the cone clutch released by itself. It is worth noting I didn't like the shifting feel with the Redline and went back to Brad Penn gear oil. That OD unit has been in the car for 20 race weekends now, and other than the need to bed in the cone clutch, it has performed flawlessly. Those A-types have proven pretty robust for me. Henry On 2020-01-01 08:54, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > MT-90 oil cured my rebuilt OD non release condition. It instantly > fixed the issue. I continue to use it years later without a problem. > Jay Galbreath > WPTA > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:23 AM Glenn Franco via Fot > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Tim Hutchisen >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Glenn, >>> >>> Having built numerous OD units, I have run into a couple of >>> instances where the cone clutch needed to "bed in". If you >>> installed a new cone clutch, the angle of the linings may not be >>> an exact match to the brake ring and annulus and it will stick >>> when applied. A good swift rap (or two or three) on the exterior >>> of the brake ring with a dead blow hammer will release the clutch. >>> Had this happen with Henry Frye's race car at Summit Point a few >>> years ago. Driving around the paddock with the gearbox cover off >>> and exercising the OD, releasing it with the dead blow hammer. It >>> eventually worked it's way in with time. >>> ~~~ >>> FROM:? Glenn Franco via Fot >>> SUBJECT: [Fot] A-Type Over Drive Question Again >>> >>> >>> Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to >>> be locked up and will not spin. >>> >>> Any ideas?? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 09:22:33 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 10:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What about older cars with older style roll bars. My TR4 has been upgraded since its original roll hoop from the 1960?s but has no side impact bars. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > > ? > If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. > > Happy New Year! to all! > > Rick > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: > > > Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. > Howdy do? > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorne.fritz at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 09:47:28 2020 From: lorne.fritz at gmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 11:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] sway bars Message-ID: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 1 09:58:59 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> Yes. Addco will make bars to your design and specifications. Greg Solow had a bunch of 7/8" bars made by them years ago and recently had another run made. I have one on my TR3. I had communicated with Addco and they said they could build one-offs to my specs. Dave H. > On January 1, 2020 at 8:47 AM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 1 10:08:15 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 09:08:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2011882439.152794.1577898496267@connect.xfinity.com> Thank you for the advice and design recommendation, Rick. So SVRA will not let me race in any of their events with my current set-up? Dave H. > On January 1, 2020 at 7:36 AM Rick Parent wrote: > > > If I may offer some unsolicited advice that may save you some future frustration, you may want to add another side door bar and run a vertical bar that intersects the "X" and is bolted or welded to the floor / door sill. SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars and this is an easy way to geterdone. Safety first is never the wrong way to look at race car bits. > > Happy New Year! to all! > > Rick > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 07:26:24 PM EST, Dave via Fot wrote: > > > Here's a few shots of mine, Dennis. > Howdy do? > Dave H. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 10:24:42 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 11:24:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13849867-5693-4120-AFF5-903527F1BA80@gmail.com> I used the Addco bar and fabricated the mounts on my TR3A Street Car. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 1 11:54:47 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> <670305938.3595607.1577892983438@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <091d2b4c635c0784ce81c5bd526d212b@tr4racer.com> Hi Rick, Can you point us to the SVRA reg that requires the 2 side impact bars? I'm planning on bringing Old Blue to Mid-Ohio next year and the TR3 has exactly zero side impact bars! Henry On 2020-01-01 10:36, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > SVRA requires 2 side impact door bars From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jan 1 12:09:56 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:09:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> <1315934750.152704.1577897939327@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <745541166.627726.1577905796726@mymail.optimum.net> Happy New Year! I too am looking for a front sway bar for my TR3. 7/8" to 1" Greg Solow, could you contact me off list or can someone give me Greg's contact info. Thanks in advance Todd Redmond > On January 1, 2020 at 11:58 AM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > > Yes. Addco will make bars to your design and specifications. Greg Solow had a bunch of 7/8" bars made by them years ago and recently had another run made. I have one on my TR3. I had communicated with Addco and they said they could build one-offs to my specs. > Dave H. > > On January 1, 2020 at 8:47 AM Lorne Fritz via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 12:45:26 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:45:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Budget. Kastner Cup Funding. FOT ENTRY FEE References: Message-ID: <4D418182-FD12-4291-8F15-11B92B1B692A@gmail.com> ?????????????????????????????- > FOT: > > We need to fund this Kastner Cup. SVRA is providing a FREE ENTRY FEE, but not our expenses. > > We are looking for a FOT KASTNER CUP ENTRY FEE from each entrant. This would be at a rate of $125 for each registered driver. > > Expense Include: > > Kas Kastner?s Travel Expenses and Honorarium > Golf Car Rental for Kas. > Kastner Cup Awards > Hospitality Tents (2) > Refreshments. > Event Posters. > Lanyards > Miscellaneous > > We are also accepting Sponsorships and Donations. > > We have opened a dedicated checking account for this Kastner Cup only. Make payment to JH Alexander, at the address below. I will also accept PayPal Payments at N197tr4 at cs.com. Please send monies to ?Friend? to avoid charges. These monies will be transferred to the Kastner Cup Checking Account. Please describe payment as ?Entry Fee? or ?Donation?. > > Marty Sukey has his hand on the tiller of what will be the most significant Kastner Cup in the Series. It will happen with everyone?s support. $125 entry fee is an enormous bargain, and our thanks to SVRA for waiving their entry fee. > > Don?t hesitate to start the process, we are writing checks now. Thank you very much. > > Highest Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > From barry at penybryn.ca Wed Jan 1 14:35:22 2020 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anti roll bar Message-ID: <004801d5c0eb$64c04f30$2e40ed90$@ca> Hi Todd and Lorne - Take a look at what Speedway Engineering have to offer - custom made solid and tubular bars. http://1speedway.com/index.php?route=product/product &path=81&product_id=113 Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Jan 1 15:24:49 2020 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:24:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anti roll bar In-Reply-To: <004801d5c0eb$64c04f30$2e40ed90$@ca> References: <004801d5c0eb$64c04f30$2e40ed90$@ca> Message-ID: <1577917489.1lp0prkww08ss40s@webmail.lumos.net> That is essentially what I did with my TR-4 (which is now Tony Drew's car). You specify the length, and the splined ends and adjustable arms let you  tune the system as needed. I liked the tubular bars, since most of the stiffness of the bar is in the outer shell, and so you have a bit less weight for the stiffness needed. John   On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:35:22 -0700, Barry Munson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Hi Todd and Lorne ? Take a look at what Speedway Engineering have to offer ? custom made solid and tubular bars.   http://1speedway.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=81&product_id=113   Barry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 2 06:06:41 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:06:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] sway bars In-Reply-To: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> References: <2CAA2A94-BD8C-4DCF-B7CB-5EB76EF64FAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1061457210.270120238.1577970401425.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It is not that difficult to make a sway bar yourself or have it made by someone who can weld. You can find the details to make it adjustable in one of the books of Kas Kastner. A TR3 mostly needs a front sway bar only, and an adjustable one is very useful, even on a road car. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 1 januari 2020 17:47:28 Onderwerp: [Fot] sway bars Hi, I?m doing a non stock project TR3. I need to have sway bars made as off the shelf bars won?t work. Does anybody know of a business who will make sway/anti roll bars to order. Thanks in advance Lorne _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 2 16:24:42 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:24:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Parts needed for my road TR-4 engine rebuild Message-ID: Good afternoon, I am rebuilding my TR-4 engine and if you're like me you have some parts around you might never use that would be better turned back into cash, perhaps I can help. I need: Cam bearings .010" oversize engine bearings a Piston and liner set 86 mm or some such timing sprockets and chains rear seal and alignment tool Probably more stuff I haven't thought of yet. Let me know! 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So, once again, if you are legal racing with your home organization without door bars you will not have an issue racing at the Kastner Cup. In addition, here is the deal regarding slicks at Mid-Ohio. Take them off and put treaded tires on. You will NOT be allowed to race at the Mid-Ohio event with slicks. Sorry. Marty Sukey 2020 K-Cup Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 3 07:06:32 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:06:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> References: <31C87F6D-6CD9-4E3E-B40F-4ADD8E897576@comcast.net> Message-ID: So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which group would be best for me given my location in Utah. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: killer_01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 42434 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Jan 3 07:12:26 2020 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 09:12:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage Message-ID: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 09:16:41 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 11:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their > website. > I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more > strict. > While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a > few pages. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > > > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was > >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) > >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such > >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, > >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > > > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for > >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without > >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which > >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > > > >mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jan 3 10:22:10 2020 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:22:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: References: <494790916.1031.1578060747490@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra ! Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony Garmey Www.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 3 11:16:21 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Tony...?Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had?in the mid-1980s. ?Just because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event.? While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine,?and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. Bill Dentinger? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 3, 2020,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis ?rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra !? Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony ?GarmeyWww.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc).? Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes.?? On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 3 11:16:21 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Roll cage References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Tony...?Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had?in the mid-1980s. ?Just because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event.? While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine,?and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. Bill Dentinger? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 3, 2020,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis ?rigidity and aesthetics. Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that organization. Start with Svra !? Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. Tony ?GarmeyWww.horizonracing.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc).? Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes.?? On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their website. I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more strict. While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few pages. -----Original Message----- >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was >getting a decent roll cage.? All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) >with some back braces.? It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such >brand.? FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without >having to pay a full annual membership?? I'm still waffling about which >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > >mjb. > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 3 11:48:45 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 13:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Budget. Kastner Cup Funding. FOT ENTRY FEE In-Reply-To: <4D418182-FD12-4291-8F15-11B92B1B692A@gmail.com> References: <4D418182-FD12-4291-8F15-11B92B1B692A@gmail.com> Message-ID: will there be a dinner? Marty, could I take this on? On Jan 1, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: ?????????????????????????????- > FOT: > > We need to fund this Kastner Cup. SVRA is providing a FREE ENTRY FEE, but not our expenses. > > We are looking for a FOT KASTNER CUP ENTRY FEE from each entrant. This would be at a rate of $125 for each registered driver. > > Expense Include: > > Kas Kastner?s Travel Expenses and Honorarium > Golf Car Rental for Kas. > Kastner Cup Awards > Hospitality Tents (2) > Refreshments. > Event Posters. > Lanyards > Miscellaneous > > We are also accepting Sponsorships and Donations. > > We have opened a dedicated checking account for this Kastner Cup only. Make payment to JH Alexander, at the address below. I will also accept PayPal Payments at N197tr4 at cs.com. Please send monies to ?Friend? to avoid charges. These monies will be transferred to the Kastner Cup Checking Account. Please describe payment as ?Entry Fee? or ?Donation?. > > Marty Sukey has his hand on the tiller of what will be the most significant Kastner Cup in the Series. It will happen with everyone?s support. $125 entry fee is an enormous bargain, and our thanks to SVRA for waiving their entry fee. > > Don?t hesitate to start the process, we are writing checks now. Thank you very much. > > Highest Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 17:06:13 2020 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:06:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Roll cage In-Reply-To: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> References: <905300322.6350603.1578075382000.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <905300322.6350603.1578075382000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yup. Tack it together the way you want it and have a certified welder do the final. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:16 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Tony... > > Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had in the mid-1980s. ?Just > because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.? We > trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event. > > While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work > satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine, and I would do > the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them. > > Bill Dentinger > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > If I may interject .... Roll-bars ! > > Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / > roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis > rigidity and aesthetics. > > Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires > a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... > so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that > organization. Start with Svra ! > > Just because you own a welder - doesn?t make you a welder. > > Tony Garmey > Www.horizonracing.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: > > You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, > SVRA, VDCA, etc). Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for > period correct classes. > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: > > You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their > website. > I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more > strict. > While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a > few pages. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage > > > >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was > >getting a decent roll cage. All I had was a single hoop ( too tall ) > >with some back braces. It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such > >brand. FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars, > >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit. > > > >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for > >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without > >having to pay a full annual membership? I'm still waffling about which > >group would be best for me given my location in Utah. > > > >mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jan 4 13:37:35 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:37:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Laguna video Message-ID: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> Hello Friends, I finally got a video edited and posted on YouTube from the Rolex race weekend last August. I didn't get the feature race on video, but the qualifying race was pretty good with some good action. Please give it a view. The ex-Dick Gulstrand '57 Corvette was great competition. On the grid for the feature race, the driver introduced himself and said he found a broken rocker arm after the qualifying race. I was able to finish in front of him in the race. Perhaps the engine broke 2 rocker arms during this one. Dave H. https://youtu.be/-F3epEMkGeI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 16:33:06 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:33:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT faithful. > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. > > 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Sat Jan 4 17:14:48 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 00:14:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> References: <5D0A0C99-6EC7-4EB3-A257-74FACB2D6335@gmail.com> Message-ID: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 17:36:40 2020 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 16:36:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> References: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: My car raced on slicks when it ran Trans Am in 1971. I Always found it strange that I can?t do the same now. Chuck > On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > ? Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. >> >> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >> >> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. >> >> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> FOT faithful. >>> >>> >>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>> >>> If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>> >>> 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>> 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>> >>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>> >>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Marty Sukey >>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 18:00:41 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 17:00:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <558D2742-2947-435D-8811-BDFC70C2199B@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: [image: IMG_3345 (Large).jpg] Amici, Above is an image of the circa 1976 Goodyear Bluestreak Sportscar Special bias ply tires that came off the Spitfire. You can see they are about 25% wider and are not treaded. The former driver could run about 1.5 seconds a lap faster with an FP car than our current DP TR4's are running at WIllow Springs. Food for comparison... *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:36 PM wrote: > My car raced on slicks when it ran Trans Am in 1971. I Always found it > strange that I can?t do the same now. > > Chuck > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > > ? Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They > agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. > > Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. > > I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming > pretty limited for our cars. > > A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all > vintage organizations... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT faithful. > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have > come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the > Mid-Ohio event. > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in > the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it > will be 12a or 12b. > > 12a is on track with group 6. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > 12b is on track with group 8. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and > also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked > with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to > bed. > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ?FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? Thanks,Marty SukeyEvent Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ?FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? Thanks,Marty SukeyEvent Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Sat Jan 4 19:50:25 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 02:50:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The door is closed on this issue. > > If you have any questions (do not ask him anymore more about Hoosier S7 tires, that ship is out of port) about other tires or any other tech related items please email SVRA head of tech Rick Parent at rick at svra.com and he will do his best to help you. Oh, and please ask him nicely, he truly is on our side. And when this event is all wrapped up at the track on Sunday, buy him a beer, he is going to need it. > > Marty Sukey > 2020 Kastner Cup Event Chair. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The door is closed on this issue. > > If you have any questions (do not ask him anymore more about Hoosier S7 tires, that ship is out of port) about other tires or any other tech related items please email SVRA head of tech Rick Parent at rick at svra.com and he will do his best to help you. Oh, and please ask him nicely, he truly is on our side. And when this event is all wrapped up at the track on Sunday, buy him a beer, he is going to need it. > > Marty Sukey > 2020 Kastner Cup Event Chair. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jan 5 08:19:31 2020 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:19:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jan 5 09:45:58 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:45:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: > I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and > had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. > Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. > > > > Vince > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > > wrote: > >> Toyo 888's >> >> >> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > > >> Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. >> >> FOR SHAME! >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via >> Fot?>?wrote: >> >> Slicks on vintage cars? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February >>> here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they >>> brung. >>> >>> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >>> >>> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are >>> becoming pretty limited for our cars. >>> >>> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for >>> all vintage organizations... >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> FOT faithful. >>>> >>>> >>>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup >>>> Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier >>>> R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>>> >>>> ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in >>>> group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on >>>> you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>>> >>>> 12a is on track with group 6. >>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>>> 12b is on track with group 8. >>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>>> >>>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>>> >>>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all >>>> weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on >>>> Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a >>>> difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Marty Sukey >>>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 10:33:29 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:33:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Laguna video In-Reply-To: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> References: <810936561.137533.1578170256286@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Dave, Thanks for sharing...looked like some great fun on a classic track! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:45 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > Hello Friends, > I finally got a video edited and posted on YouTube from the Rolex race > weekend last August. I didn't get the feature race on video, but the > qualifying race was pretty good with some good action. Please give it a > view. > The ex-Dick Gulstrand '57 Corvette was great competition. On the grid for > the feature race, the driver introduced himself and said he found a broken > rocker arm after the qualifying race. I was able to finish in front of him > in the race. Perhaps the engine broke 2 rocker arms during this one. > Dave H. > https://youtu.be/-F3epEMkGeI > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jan 5 14:14:10 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:14:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Message-ID: They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height.? Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Great attitude. > > Another thought: Yokohama A048. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: >> I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and >> had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. >> Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. >> >> >> >> Vince >> >> On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot >> > wrote: >> >>> Toyo 888's >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot >> > >>> Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. >>> >>> FOR SHAME! >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>> >>> On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via >>> Fot?>?wrote: >>> >>> Slicks on vintage cars? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February >>>> here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they >>>> brung. >>>> >>>> Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. >>>> >>>> I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are >>>> becoming pretty limited for our cars. >>>> >>>> A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for >>>> all vintage organizations... >>>> >>>> Brad Eells >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> FOT faithful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup >>>>> Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the >>>>> Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. >>>>> >>>>> ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in >>>>> group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on >>>>> you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. >>>>> >>>>> 12a is on track with group 6. >>>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf >>>>> 12b is on track with group 8. >>>>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf >>>>> >>>>> All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. >>>>> >>>>> This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all >>>>> weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on >>>>> Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a >>>>> difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Marty Sukey >>>>> Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jan 5 14:44:31 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 22:44:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> Not good news. I didn?t know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Sun Jan 5 18:25:51 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> References: <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1491318312.6802859.1578188221931@mail.yahoo.com> <7722c5d4-3cc3-38c5-5932-7ac679532b25@verizon.net> <000901d5c411$508550a0$f18ff1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. Stephen ---------------------------------------- From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. Not good news. I didn't know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I've run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn't make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Mon Jan 6 06:43:04 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:43:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Stephen,?You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires do give? some notice before heading for the grass. -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. I run the 195/60/13?Toyo R888's, DOT rated.?They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session.?The only down side for myself is they?don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. ? Stephen ? ? ? From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? Not good news. I didn?t know that they stop production. ? Cheers Chris ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height.? Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. ?I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. ?Drive accordingly and?Just get out and enjoy.? ? ? Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's ? ? ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. ? FOR SHAME! ? Bill Dentinger ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com ? On?Saturday, January 4, 2020,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: ? Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone ? On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. ? Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. ? I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming pretty limited for our cars. ? A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone ? On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. ? ? After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. ? ?If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. ? 12a is on track with group 6.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8.??https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf ? All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. ? This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed.? ? Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup ? ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net ? ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 10:52:55 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:52:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: <20200106143147.20C1CA1259@autox.team.net> References: <20200106143147.20C1CA1259@autox.team.net> Message-ID: When I was racing in the 50's I loved the bias tires . You could change the diameter with pressure changes and really make fine adjustments to handling while the Michilins (only radials at the time) were slugs and though great grip when you finally got the pressure right, but I always thought a quick trip to slow lap times.. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:31 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires > do give some notice before heading for the grass. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Jones via Fot > Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and > directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold > up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to > come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the > session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of > warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with > too much throttle exiting corners. > > Stephen > > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Chris Marx via Fot" > *Sent*: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM > *To*: "fot at autox. team. net" > *Subject*: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > Not good news. > > I didn?t know that they stop production. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Tony Drews via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 > *An:* fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > > They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. > > Tony D > > On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Great attitude. > > Another thought: Yokohama A048. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: > > I?ve run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had > fun. I agree something like tires shouldn?t make or break it. Drive > accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. > > > > > > Vince > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: > > Toyo 888's > > > > > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > > Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. > > > > FOR SHAME! > > > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > > > > Slicks on vintage cars? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They > agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. > > > > Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. > > > > I?m no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13? and 15? are becoming > pretty limited for our cars. > > > > A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all > vintage organizations... > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > > FOT faithful. > > > > > > After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have > come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the > Mid-Ohio event. > > > > If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in > the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it > will be 12a or 12b. > > > > 12a is on track with group 6. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf > > 12b is on track with group 8. > https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf > > > > All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. > > > > This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and > also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked > with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to > bed. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > > Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Mon Jan 6 16:15:22 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. In-Reply-To: References: <20200106143147.20C1CA1259@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <939d5f25c1c5486b8165583697e92fee@toast.net> Hi Rick. Going to try a set of time Hoosiers again next time I purchase tires which is soon. I have used them in the past. Good chance my driving style has something to contribute, which I am working on. The Hoosiers seemed to fade half way through a session and the adhesion confidence dropped after six or seven sessions. Budget vs performance plays a role also. I am testing at Wild Horse in Phoenix in a few weeks. Always open to improving those lap times. Lastly, having grass to run off on sounds wonderful as opposed to the ruts, gravel and dust storm produced here in the desert. Cheers. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kas Kastner" Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:54 PM To: "Rick Parent" Cc: 6t9gt6 at toast.net, "fot at autox. team. net" , "MadMarx" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. When I was racing in the 50's I loved the bias tires . You could change the diameter with pressure changes and really make fine adjustments to handling while the Michilins (only radials at the time) were slugs and though great grip when you finally got the pressure right, but I always thought a quick trip to slow lap times.. Never be beaten by equipment. On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:31 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: Hi Stephen, You just described a radial tire perfectly, no warning. The bias ply tires do give some notice before heading for the grass. -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 1/5/20 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "fot at autox. team. net" , tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. I run the 195/60/13 Toyo R888's, DOT rated. They are well treaded and directional. The tread is deep enough to run light rain, and seem to hold up well through 8-12 sessions depending on your driving style. They seem to come to temperature quickly and are pretty consistent through out the session. The only down side for myself is they don't seem to give a lot of warning when they are going to disengage. Could also be driver error with too much throttle exiting corners. Stephen ---------------------------------------- From: "Chris Marx via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:02 PM To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. Not good news. I didn't know that they stop production. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Januar 2020 22:14 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. They quit making A048 for 15" wheels in 60 series height. Were my fav's. Tony D On 1/5/2020 10:45 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Great attitude. Another thought: Yokohama A048. Cheers Bill On 1/5/2020 10:19 AM, Vince G via Fot wrote: I've run treaded 400 wear rated DOT Tires in my GT6 and did fine and had fun. I agree something like tires shouldn't make or break it. Drive accordingly and Just get out and enjoy. Vince On Jan 4, 2020, at 9:50 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: Toyo 888's Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot Date: 1/4/20 7:37 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hoosier R7 tires at the 2020 Kastner Cup. FOR SHAME! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 4, 2020, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Slicks on vintage cars? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ? Interesting, VARA is involved with an SVRA event in February here. They agreed to allow VARA members to run what tires they brung. Not sure about any reclassification based on tire choice. I'm no expert but it seems the tire choices in 13" and 15" are becoming pretty limited for our cars. A touch more compromise given declining entries may be good for all vintage organizations... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:42 AM, marty via Fot wrote: ? FOT faithful. After way too much discussion, SVRA and the Kastner Cup Committee have come to a resolution that will allow the Hoosier R7 tires to be used at the Mid-Ohio event. If you choose to use Hoosier R7 tires your car will run in group 12 in the weekends normal race groups and depending on you preparation level it will be 12a or 12b. 12a is on track with group 6. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Svra_Group_6-new-classes.pdf 12b is on track with group 8. https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Svra_Group_8_1.19.pdf All TR's will race in the K Cup feature race together. This will provide everybody a competitive place to play all weekend and also allow everybody to run in the Kastner Cup on Sunday. SVRA has worked with us to proved a resolution to a difficult situation. Lets put this to bed. Thanks, Marty Sukey Event Chair 2020 Kastner Cup _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 7 18:17:35 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 7 18:17:35 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 18:58:28 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 17:58:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> Message-ID: <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> Original Minilites are still available... VTO makes knockoffs of several classic styles Then there?s the repro Silverstones... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Jan 7 19:13:29 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 02:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= In-Reply-To: <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> References: <37925D53-1CBF-4DE8-B090-2AAAAA5E7C92@cs.com> <5C1B8D85-D9D3-4EDA-8A4C-933AAE771A68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1407200045.5381395.1578449609753@mail.yahoo.com> How do you think Revolutions would look? ? I like being one of the few with them; but maybe the look would work on the Ambro too? ? Revolution will create a custom offset at no extra charge. ? I was able to duplicate what my TR4 had on it from racing?back in the early 70?s ?to present: Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 8:58 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Original Minilites are still available... VTO makes knockoffs of several classic styles Then there?s the repro Silverstones... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He knew how to carry speed?through a corner.?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, January 7, 2020,?MACDONALD via Fot??wrote: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Jan 7 20:04:49 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 03:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_15=E2=80=9D_Panasports_or_Equivalent?= References: <1334762760.8292271.1578452689674.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334762760.8292271.1578452689674@mail.yahoo.com> Don Brick always ran wires on his TR4 (a handicap?)??But I always thought he was the best driver in our tent. He knew how to carry speed?through a corner.?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, January 7, 2020,?MACDONALD via Fot??wrote: Silver wire mesh deep dish, all the Maserati Birdcages had wires, but real wires are a pain Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Sean wants to see a better looking wheel on the Ambro. > > Any idea? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell:? 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <191680C8-9939-4698-8A29-FA304A9881DD@gmail.com> References: <191680C8-9939-4698-8A29-FA304A9881DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice pic! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ? > > > > Chuck_______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 08:52:56 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:52:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl Message-ID: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 8 09:25:27 2020 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:25:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup. 2020. FOT Entry Fees and Donations References: <5CEB05FD-2400-418A-A5BD-E19C69F5E84A.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <5CEB05FD-2400-418A-A5BD-E19C69F5E84A@cs.com> FOT: We had a remarkable surge of entries and donations. Thank you. Led by Marty Sukey, Chair, the Kastner Cup Committee has a great program in the planning. You won?t be disappointed. FOT Entry Fee $125. Checks to: JH Alexander PayPal to: N197tr4 at cs.com Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From vfracing at aol.com Wed Jan 8 10:27:31 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RHD steering box References: Message-ID: Does anyone have for sale a RHD steering box for a TR2 or early 3 (long column)? If not, does anyone have a useable worm gear and pin assembly? Thanks, Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Jan 8 11:11:48 2020 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:11:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] RHD steering box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <758922199.753920.1578507108922@mymail.optimum.net> Phil, I believe I still have my left hand drive steering column and box. If that would work. I can check when I get home tonight. Let me know Todd > On January 8, 2020 at 12:27 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > > Does anyone have for sale a RHD steering box for a TR2 or early 3 (long column)? If not, does anyone have a useable worm gear and pin assembly? > Thanks, > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 12:36:57 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:36:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Tom Householder Message-ID: <2ABB533B-235F-4C03-B50B-6EC3D030952B@gmail.com> Has anyone had contact with Tom Householder? Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 8 14:11:40 2020 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> References: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233842222.5670953.1578517900807@mail.yahoo.com> I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 8 14:38:38 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1960/61 TR3A References: <78665250.8755100.1578519518058.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78665250.8755100.1578519518058@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... I was watching the Mecum auction in Kissimmee, Florida. ?A very nice 60 or 61 TR3A sold for $16,000.00 (which appeared to be the seller?s reserve). ?BRG, fancy spoke wheels, nice car. ?Seemed pretty cheap to me. ?I know what it takes to make one look nice like that. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 8 14:55:14 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 16:23:55 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:23:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. ?He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. ?He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. Duncan On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. > > Thank you. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 8 16:25:20 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <807872259.8821465.1578525920288.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <807872259.8821465.1578525920288@mail.yahoo.com> If you?re?willing to pay a fee, Greg Solow (The Engine Room) would be a Top Shelf MOGAN?inspector. ?He is in Santa Cruz. I am not sure if that is near Beverly?Hills, however. ?Steve Belfer (Mike?s son)?maybe closer. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 16:35:15 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:35:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Message-ID: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > Jack, > > I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. He works on > Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. He likely > knows BHCC?s reputation too. > > Duncan > On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , > wrote: > > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I > might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I > don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they > advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty > knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's > advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a > very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that > confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't > think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection > fee to cover your time and mileage. I'm still in the negotiating stage, so > it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next > couple of weeks. > > Thank you. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jan 8 16:39:37 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419@mail.yahoo.com> Greg solow. The engine room MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious?needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm?? Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car.? He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about.? He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. DuncanOn Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Jan 8 16:39:37 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? References: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503465171.8820146.1578526777419@mail.yahoo.com> Greg solow. The engine room MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Wednesday, January 8, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Jack, I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious?needs and it may be priced accordingly. https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm?? Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. Cheers, Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: Jack, I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car.? He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about.? He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. DuncanOn Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.? However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.? Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.? Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.? I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.? I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. Thank you. Jack Wheeler? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 8 16:50:44 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:50:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <148da562-2bc4-41c0-8d09-87fa0696bd2e@Spark> Message-ID: <218EDB6E-C624-42B7-BDD5-0D89FE0A5F68@comcast.net> Greg might chime in on this, but I know that very recently he was in that area and might not be back down there soon. Greg lives in Santa Cruz, about 350 miles north of Hollywood. Dave H. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Jack, > > I think it's a good idea that a Morgan expert look at the car. I am assuming you are looking at the BRG 1967 that is on their website. The car has obvious needs and it may be priced accordingly. > > https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1967-morgan-plus-4-roadster-c-10511.htm > > Beverly Hill Car Club reputation here is a bit spotty...best to have a very good look before considering a purchase from them. > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: >> Jack, >> >> I?ll send you the name of a guy I know who may know that car. He works on Morgans for a living so he will know what he?s talking about. He likely knows BHCC?s reputation too. >> >> Duncan >>> On Jan 8, 2020, 3:55 PM -0600, Jack Wheeler via Fot , wrote: >>> I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. >>> >>> While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage. I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Jack Wheeler >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 17:14:09 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:14:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl In-Reply-To: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> References: <84E4B32D-E12D-4B3A-A08A-DE93447E4FE0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dick Stockton has a Facebook page, "The 71 Crowd". 1 post since December 2018. You could potentially send a message through the page and see what happens... *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:53 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? > > Thanks > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 17:20:00 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:20:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Contacts Made Message-ID: Thanks everyone. I have made contacts today with everyone I was looking for. Directly or Indirectly. The list is quite alive and well. Great to see. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rustytr4 at aol.com Thu Jan 9 05:12:15 2020 From: rustytr4 at aol.com (rustytr4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl References: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1423772809.9039561.1578571935108@mail.yahoo.com> All, I spoke with Dick about?3 weeks ago, talked about cars of course, but other wise seemed ok.?Matt???-----Original Message----- From: Steven Benford Jr via Fot To: Joe Alexander ; FOT Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2020 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stockton & Diehl I hear Ed Diehl is in a nursing home Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: Has anyone been in touch with Stockton or Diehl in recent history? Thanks Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rustytr4 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu Jan 9 07:09:07 2020 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:09:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> Hi Jack, i have no personal experience with BHMC, but as a regular reader of "Bring A trailer". they do not have a very good reputation.  Just a heads up. John   On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying.  However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot.  Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable.  Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country.   While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary.  I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage.  I'm still in the negotiating stage, so it's not urgent, but probably be good if I could find someone in the next couple of weeks.   Thank you.   Jack Wheeler  _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 07:38:43 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 06:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Near Beverly Hills, Who Could Check Out a Car? In-Reply-To: <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> References: <721574063.10227140.1578520514760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <721574063.10227140.1578520514760@mail.yahoo.com> <1578578947.f7994jzew0ggkw0w@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: Beverly Hills Car Club Inc. | Better Business Bureau? Profile https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/los-angeles/profile/classic-car-dealers/beverly-hills-car-club-inc-1216-354246 > On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:09 AM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi Jack, > > i have no personal experience with BHMC, but as a regular reader of "Bring A trailer". > they do not have a very good reputation. Just a heads up. > > John > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I have found a Morgan 4/4 for sale at Beverly Hills Car Company, which I might be interested in buying. However, I live in North Carolina, and I don't know anything about this Beverly Hills Car Company, except that they advertise in Hemmings a lot. Therefore, I thought they would be pretty knowledgeable. Unfortunately, this guy is not sure what he has (it's advertised as a Plus 4, but is actually a 4/4), and while he says it is a very solid car with no damage to the wood, I would like to have that confirmed before I buy it and have it shipped across the country. > > While it would be nice to find someone who knew about Morgans, I don't think that is absolutely necessary. I would be happy to pay an inspection fee to cover your time and mileage. 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 9 14:24:18 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:24:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup Message-ID: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. 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If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 9 15:33:13 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ Forms | SVRA SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal svra.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. Thank you Marty mike h [image: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1913181 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 12:23:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:23:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Outstanding! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here but when I tried it on, it was too big. > > I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked me through my options. > > Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. > > Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. > > Thank you Marty > > mike h > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jan 10 12:24:40 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 19:24:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It has been my experience that the shirts tend to run a little large. Room to grow ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:56 PM To: FoTTriumph Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here but when I tried it on, it was too big. I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked me through my options. Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you an idea on sizing. Thank you Marty mike h [IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1913181 bytes Desc: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 13:04:57 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:04:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I ordered mine about the same time, free shipping and free embroidery, nice Christmas present to myself Don't like the fact that Mike and I are both in a medium, me 5'4 and he 6'2, hmmmmm one of us is bigger around than he is tall? B On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 2:35 PM marty via Fot wrote: > It has been my experience that the shirts tend to run a little large. Room > to grow ? > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Mike Harmuth via > Fot > *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 1:56 PM > *To:* FoTTriumph > *Subject:* [Fot] FoT shirt store on Lands End > > I just wanted to thank Marty for setting this store up. I ordered a shirt, > pre Christmas, when they had a big sale on. I ordered it in my normal size, > Large, with the FOT custom logo. It took about a week for it to get here > but when I tried it on, it was too big. > > I was leary about doing a return/exchange through the mail but after > calling their customer support line, I was talking to a real human in under > a minute. The shirt came with a return /exchange ticket and the CE walked > me through my options. > > Bottom line, my new shirt arrived today, as far as I can tell, it's been > no additional cost to me. The new shirt fits right, the art work is great > and it's a quality shirt. If you have reservations about ordering one, I > say rest assured, they'll work with you to get it right. > > Going to post a picture of the Medium shirt on my 6'2" frame to give you > an idea on sizing. > > Thank you Marty > > mike h > [image: IMG_20200110_130515243.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SVRA is not making money on our entry but they are really going to make this a big deal for us. In order to know how much they need to commit they need to know a realistic count, really! Come on, 39 entries at this point? SVRA will be printing up the Hero Cards for all the Triumph drivers. They will need a high resolution picture of you car for these cards. At some point they will be asking you for a picture, this notice should give you time to find one. Oh, when I am saying big things are in the works, I'm not talking about the hero cards. ? Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sat Jan 11 03:42:25 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:42:25 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> Where is this Lands Ends FoT store? Can't find it on landsend.com under FoT or Friends of Triumph! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 10 January 2020 20:05 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 06:08:19 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 08:08:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> References: <004801d5c86b$d044bfc0$70ce3f40$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: John, it's in western Cornwall. If you mean the FOT Store info: from Marty Sukey 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/ 2, set up an account for yourself and log in. 3, pick an item you might want. 4, click on apply logo, 5, select the FOT logo, 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed. 7, select location. 8, hit apply logo. 9, hit cancel or add to bag. mike h On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:42 AM John Davaies via Fot wrote: > Where is this Lands Ends FoT store? Can't find it on landsend.com > under > FoT or Friends of Triumph! > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 10 January 2020 20:05 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 11 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot wrote: > Did I send you a pic of my car? > If not how about this? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 12 04:36:31 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 06:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Message-ID: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 12 08:45:24 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> References: <52D5DE9AEBC14B99865EA0E231FF74A4@VlackTK121647> <09da8885-2bce-d854-c6c3-dad7ca1562f2@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Please note: Best rate is reserve before March 1, 2020. -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Great, thanks! I'll most likely be showing up with a friend, possibly 2. We'll have to work out if we want to share a room or not. And most likely I'll not choose the kid magnet waterpark place. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 12 10:12:06 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:12:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car Message-ID: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the diff and lower the prop shaft. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 82400861_998967577149144_4637860262093783040_n.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 110398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you guys want to make a stop there as well we can help with the container issues, no worries. 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA | | | | 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA ? 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | | | | | | | | | SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | | | On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 05:09:52 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: Are you running slicks? On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot wrote: Did I send you a pic of my car? If not how about this? John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 11 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 12 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you guys want to make a stop there as well we can help with the container issues, no worries. 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | SVRA ? 2020 Brickyard Vintage Racing Invitational, A SpeedTour Event | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association SVRA | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association | Sportscar Vintage Racing Association On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 05:09:52 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: Are you running slicks? On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM John Davaies via Fot > wrote: Did I send you a pic of my car? If not how about this? 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Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association.Geez I'm feeling old...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: John Styduhar ; marty Cc: FOT Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup <!--#yiv3062382358 DIV {margin:0px;}-->John, Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples.? I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewalsvra.com | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 14:40:25 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation > of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be > waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you > need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jan 12 15:16:23 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:16:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM To: fubog1 Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 > wrote: SVRA rules 32 years ago. Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. Geez I'm feeling old... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar >; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup John, Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar via Fot Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty ________________________________ From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty >; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ Forms | SVRA SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jan 12 15:26:16 2020 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:26:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <1681467238.3230.1578860222998@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <21599693.6830737.1578861536000@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55A5E65D-342D-4F47-8458-66B93B30E675@att.net> Just out of curiosity, what do the European Sanctioning Bodies (Clubs) do when an American shows up at one of their events with safety gear that does not have the FIA Hologram on them and a car that is not prepped in compliance with their rules? Paul > On Jan 12, 2020, at 3:40 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 > wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > > To: John Styduhar >; marty > > Cc: FOT > > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot > wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty >; Mike Harmuth > > Cc: FOT > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot > wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Discounts are 2 stage. > > The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. > > After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. > Either way these are good rates for the area. > > > > There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn > has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. > > > > Reservations can be made on line or via phone: > > If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the > site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room > you are requesting. > > If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE *LCAR C *and identify > you are with* Friends of Triumph.* > > > > If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or > 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. > > > > JVV > > > > *Host Hotel Announcement* > > > > *We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group > members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. > We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. > Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart.* > > > > *We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has > given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the > track, just 10 minutes. * > > > > *Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: * > > *? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from > Franchise Services* > > *? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds * > > *? Free wireless high-speed internet service* > > *? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable* > > *? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment* > > *? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park > named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn* > > *? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium > waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, > and many other selections. * > > *? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels* > > *? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path* > > *? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style > restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance* > > > > > > *Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing* > > > > *Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20* Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ > $129 > > *CALL** the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn > 419-886-7000* > > *When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with > Friends of Triumph * > > > > *Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20* All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s > Retail Rate > > *ONLINE* Reservations for *QUALITY INN* ? Use the following link > > > http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no > > > > *ONLINE* Reservations for *COMFORT INN* ? Use the following link > > *http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no > * > > > > *CALL* *the Hotel ? 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 12 20:54:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B2FC4BD-4F88-4CB7-8F35-69822C906A9E@aol.com> I agree with Marty. But looking back at the Triumph Marque race at the Glen last year, if SVRA felt the car was beyond their rule set, they let the car run in the ?NC? or non/ conforming category. In other words, they?ll let you play one way or the other. As an NC car, you just did not get any trophies or podium position. Safety violations may put you out, but frankly, having looked at the rules, they are pretty much common sense and very similar to SCCA. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. > > > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM > To: fubog1 > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty ; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 12 20:54:21 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 22:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B2FC4BD-4F88-4CB7-8F35-69822C906A9E@aol.com> I agree with Marty. But looking back at the Triumph Marque race at the Glen last year, if SVRA felt the car was beyond their rule set, they let the car run in the ?NC? or non/ conforming category. In other words, they?ll let you play one way or the other. As an NC car, you just did not get any trophies or podium position. Safety violations may put you out, but frankly, having looked at the rules, they are pretty much common sense and very similar to SCCA. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would think it is up to each individual competitor no matter where they are from to review the race rules where they intend to race at (SVRA) and if there is a discrepancy to contact the chief of tech (Rick) personally to get specific decisions. Not really something to work out publicly. Way too many what if's. > > > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:40 PM > To: fubog1 > Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I just don't want the guys from oversees having trouble going through the SVRA tech inspection. It was already brought to my attention that some cars do not run dual circuit brakes. Also that they may not have an approved fuel cell. I'm assuming they follow FIA and not SFI certification. Do you think SVRA could adopt the policy of VARAC (at their GP event in Mosport) to inspect the entrants based on their own club rules? > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM fubog1 wrote: > > SVRA rules 32 years ago. > Yep back when SVRA stood for Southeast Vintage Racers Association. > Geez I'm feeling old... > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: John Styduhar ; marty > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > John, > > Dont keep us in suspense, what are your examples. I might be in violation of many since my car was preped to SVRA rules 32 years ago. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar via Fot > Sent: Jan 12, 2020 3:01 PM > To: marty > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > From: Rick Parent > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > To: marty ; Mike Harmuth > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 20:59:36 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 19:59:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> References: <7da63a89-5a1c-966e-56ab-3e810fa33af6@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing > the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. > Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. > > mjb. > > > Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail > regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race > car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. > > The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario > originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard > 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle > which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the > drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. 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How great > would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid > for Kastner Cup! Well, there is the issue of mixing open wheel cars in the grid, but I would love to see the car. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 13 03:17:09 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 03:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <8cb22d07-a8d3-da7b-d5d1-08a0b6f6c677@bradakis.com> Wow! mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 05:46:20 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 06:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> Thanks Brad, It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner Cup grid would not be a good idea. Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup. This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing >> the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. >> Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail >> regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race >> car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. >> >> The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario >> originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard >> 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle >> which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the >> drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. To lower the the center of >> gravity a chain drive drop box was fabricated to sit on the nose of the >> diff and lower the prop shaft. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > biertijd.com > Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) > > > > > ------------------------------ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4jay at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 13 07:35:07 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <5bdb023e-3d8f-b51a-f816-8dfad86fe3d8@bradakis.com> On 1/13/20 6:36 AM, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > All that fuel being poured down the back of your neck so scary. It's okay, he soaked his underwear in Borox. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:17:18 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <127174493.10733605.1578928638804.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <127174493.10733605.1578928638804@mail.yahoo.com> BOROX. ?Our way to Willow Springs we passed by the BOROX mine. ?"Twenty Mule Team Road" Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: On 1/13/20 6:36 AM, Jay Galbreath via Fot wrote: > All that fuel being poured down the back of your neck so scary. It's okay, he soaked his underwear in Borox. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 08:54:14 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <479046538.10760798.1578930854078.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <479046538.10760798.1578930854078@mail.yahoo.com> Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 13 12:48:51 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:48:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> Message-ID: <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [1] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [2] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. 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A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: > Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. > > Only to resurface now with this good stuff. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > >> On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! >>> >>> Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! >>> >>> >>> http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 14:56:17 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mordy, Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: Kas? Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: > > Triple From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 14:59:04 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? thanks mike On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Mordy, > > Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. > > You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration > fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. > Essentially this is a FREE entry. > > There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: > > Kas? Expenses > Tent & Accessories > Trophies > Golf Car for Kas. > Miscellaneous. > > Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. > Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are > sending donations even tho they will not be there. > > What a marvelous group of people! > > There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my > name. > > Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com > > Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. > > REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL > TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! > > > Best Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: > > > > Triple > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 15:03:22 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> This is a very good question. Rick Parent can answer that in a more detailed form. Thank you for asking. (I am not sure about the ?slapping? part). Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: > > ? > Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? > > thanks > mike > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Mordy, >> >> Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. >> >> You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. >> >> There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: >> >> Kas? Expenses >> Tent & Accessories >> Trophies >> Golf Car for Kas. >> Miscellaneous. >> >> Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. >> >> What a marvelous group of people! >> >> There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. >> >> Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. >> >> REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. 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I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 15:55:25 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:55:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car In-Reply-To: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> References: <054B54E9-3823-407D-87CC-7077C7A0015C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well...it has a Spitfire block... I guess that puts an end to my dream of driving a Gloria Southern Cross in a Kastner Cup some day. :-) *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:46 AM Joe Alexander wrote: > Thanks Brad, > > It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner > Cup grid would not be a good idea. > > Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are > eligible for the Kastner Cup. > > This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. > > Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire. > > Regards, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hey Amici, > > That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you > haven't already. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/ > > What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it > be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! > > Cheers, > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing >> the Triumph Spitfire group. For those who haven't, here's a synopsis. >> Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail >> regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race >> car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. >> >> The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario >> originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard >> 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle >> which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the >> drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 16:12:53 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car References: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295@mail.yahoo.com> Brad... That was always a dream of mine as well. Gloria Southern Cross (Long Bonnet version). Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Well...it has a Spitfire block... I guess that puts an end to my dream of driving a Gloria Southern Cross in a Kastner Cup some day. :-) Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:46 AM Joe Alexander wrote: Thanks Brad, It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner Cup grid would not be a good idea.? Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup.? This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire.? Regards, Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/? What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 16:12:53 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Interesting little car References: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <859161324.10993463.1578957173295@mail.yahoo.com> Brad... That was always a dream of mine as well. Gloria Southern Cross (Long Bonnet version). Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Brad Eells via Fot??wrote: Well...it has a Spitfire block... I guess that puts an end to my dream of driving a Gloria Southern Cross in a Kastner Cup some day. :-) Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:46 AM Joe Alexander wrote: Thanks Brad, It would be great for display, but small ?open wheel cars? on the Kastner Cup grid would not be a good idea.? Just a reminder: only TRIUMPHS that ran during the KASTNER ERA are eligible for the Kastner Cup.? This is THE KASTNER CUP, honoring Kas Kastner. Brad, we hope you are able to bring your historic Spitfire.? Regards, Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: ?Hey Amici, That's a great group on Facebook for Spitfire racers...join up if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/groups/745974565823060/? What a cool car...and fit for a Kastner Cup appearance. How great would it be to have a 1960 Autosport Formula Junior car on the grid for Kastner Cup! Cheers, ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some of you here are on Facebook, and have seen the post in the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group.? For those who haven't, here's a synopsis.? Looks like Kastner Cup material to me. mjb. Following on from Brads share, I thought I might add a bit more detail regarding the Autosport mk2 1957 Canada Class/ 1960 Formula Junior race car with her Standard Triumph spit based engine. The car was built by Autosport Equipment co. ltd in Cooksville Ontario originally as a Canda Class race car in 1957 using a modified Standard 10 engine, Lotus 11 gearbox, Triumph Mayflower brakes and rear axle which was cut down to allow Chapman strut rear suspension using the drive shaft as the upper suspension arm. 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I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html [1] Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. [2] [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [4] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [5] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:27:50 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:27:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> References: , <95186AC5-E118-4A07-A76F-1F6F52DA0FE5@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will be answering that shortly. ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 5:03 PM To: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. This is a very good question. Rick Parent can answer that in a more detailed form. Thank you for asking. (I am not sure about the ?slapping? part). Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: ? Joe and Marty, besides the Triumph run group, do we still get to slap around some MGs and Fiats in a regular SVRA group too? thanks mike On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:56 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: Mordy, Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: Kas? Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst > wrote: > > Triple _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:36:42 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 In-Reply-To: <6baeb66338ee1780353e698140a0320aece86349@webmail> References: <6baeb66338ee1780353e698140a0320aece86349@webmail> Message-ID: It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: > > ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. > > > https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html > > > > Tom > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net > Cc: "Joe Alexander" > Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 > > And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. >> >> Only to resurface now with this good stuff. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM >> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! >>>> >>>> Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 >>>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>>> biertijd.com >>>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Jan 13 16:39:54 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:39:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 Message-ID: <555a78c90a64191eb280d246a0b586238e758618@webmail> AS I said before I've slowed down The mind ids the first to go............ -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Cc: "fot at autox.team.net", "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 6:36:42PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look [1]https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html [2] Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. [3] [4] [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk [6] -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com [7] On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 SUBJECT: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 THIS IS REALLY COOL?! DON'T BLINK! CAR GUYS WILL LOVE THIS AND EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT A _'CAR GUY_', IT REALLY IS AMAZING! 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Jan 13 16:52:43 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 References: <1841533862.11012935.1578959563773.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1841533862.11012935.1578959563773@mail.yahoo.com> Whatever/Whoever....but it was GREAT!!!?Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look. https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series. I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were a big influence on it's success. The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Monday, January 13, 2020, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 THIS IS REALLY COOL?! Don't blink! Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) ________________________________ No virus found in this message. 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If, due to the security risks, you do not wish to receive further communications via e-mail, please reply to this message and inform the sender that you do not wish to receive further e-mail . > On Jan 13, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > ?Mordy, > > Thank you for inquiry regarding Registration and Entry Fee. > > You need to register your Triumph with SVRA. You send in $100 registration fee that is refundable upon appearance to the Kastner Cup Grid. Essentially this is a FREE entry. > > There is a FOT ENTRY FEE payable to me for the FOT expenses: > > Kas? Expenses > Tent & Accessories > Trophies > Golf Car for Kas. > Miscellaneous. > > Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. > > What a marvelous group of people! > > There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. > > Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com > > Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. > > REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. Thank you SVRA! > > > Best Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: >> >> Triple -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Householder via Fot??wrote: AS I said before I've slowed down The mind ids the first to go............. ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Cc: "fot at autox.team.net", "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 6:36:42PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk ----------------------------------------- From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?!?? Don't blink! ????Car guys will love this and even if you'renot a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: AS I said before I've slowed down The mind ids the first to go............. -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Cc: "fot at autox.team.net", "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 6:36:42PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 It might have Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer. They were the instigators of all things good with Triumph. I didn?t come on board racing until the 1992 Events. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 5:23 PM, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: ?The concept of the 92 races was first brought to me by Joe Alexander and Bill Dettinger at the 1990 Mid Ohio Races. they indicated that Barbara Truman was interested in featuring a Triumph feature. and asked me to get involved. I spoke to Barbara that day and outlined a course to do it in two years giving time to put together something around the 40 year anniversary of the TR series.? I spent 91 going to various races enlisting interest with varied drivers and promoting the event with Triumph clubs around the country. SVRA, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors? were? a big influence on it's success.? The event brought the racers and club folks closer together. The FOT has done a great job of perpetuating the Triumph racing legacy. I've spent a lot of time researching Triumphs that have raced in the early years. A lot of interesting stories have turned up. Although not a complete list a lot of cars are recorded at "Racing sports cars" Take a look https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/Triumph.html Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Joe Alexander" To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday January 13 2020 4:16:33PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio 2020 And Tom HOUSEHOLDER, you are going to be a VIP at this Kastner Cup. You started all of this, as far as I can tell. We were there at your event in 1992 and 2002 was the fore runner to the Kastner.? Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:01 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ?I have been here all along . just a bit slower these days. I just want to say that any of you who have not experienced a Triumph race at Mid Ohio you need to give it serious consideration this year. A lot of coverage of the 92 and 02 races is still found on line. The Triumph features are unsurpassed in participation and memories of these events are the foremost in my memories.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk -----------------------------------------From: "Bill Dentinger via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday January 13 2020 10:54:14AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Last week "TR" Householder was described as missing in action. Only to resurface now?with this good stuff. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 13, 2020,?T. R. Householder via Fot??wrote: -----------------------------------------From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?!?? Don't blink! ????Car guys will love this and even if you'renot a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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Motoring on in NORCAL Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 13 23:29:35 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:29:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main.? I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. Cheers, Tony D On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Tue Jan 14 02:49:01 2020 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 09:49:01 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and I will get one. But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to fill in these forms and pay the fee?? FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, SVRA or whatever? Thank you! John PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed that was OK. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 05:27:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 07:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 05:27:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 07:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:34:51 2020 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (Dick Stockton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 19:34:51 -0200 Subject: [Fot] bolts use arp studs dick Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:07:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> References: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> John: You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178083 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I > contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw > several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. > Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" > Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist > on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and > I will get one. > > But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! > "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to > fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card > Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to > help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to > let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North > America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to > fill in these forms and pay the fee?? > > FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK > to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined > to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit > more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I > have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, > SVRA or whatever? > > Thank you! > John > > PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A > working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read > that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed > that was OK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:07:20 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> References: <010401d5cabf$da0ac1c0$8e204540$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> John: You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178083 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: > > ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I > contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw > several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. > Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" > Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist > on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and > I will get one. > > But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! > "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to > fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card > Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to > help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to > let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North > America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to > fill in these forms and pay the fee?? > > FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK > to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined > to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit > more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I > have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, > SVRA or whatever? > > Thank you! > John > > PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A > working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read > that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed > that was OK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 06:16:10 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 > (4.0?) > Just did this on Tony?s advice. > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center > main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > > > Cheers, Tony D > > > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear > head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what > are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > >> > >> Motoring on in NORCAL > >> Nick > >> > >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:19:30 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> References: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> Message-ID: PS: All the forms and regulations you need are on the SVRA web site and can be down loaded from there. The referenced homologation forms are the normal FIA forms that define the basic specifications of the car. You don?t need to fill these out, but they make a handy source of information. I sweated about getting these but Found them easily on line. Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card >> Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined >> to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit >> more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Tue Jan 14 06:19:30 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 08:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> References: <9DBAE870-7D8F-4FC2-B89B-1DA15C47958B@aol.com> Message-ID: PS: All the forms and regulations you need are on the SVRA web site and can be down loaded from there. The referenced homologation forms are the normal FIA forms that define the basic specifications of the car. You don?t need to fill these out, but they make a handy source of information. I sweated about getting these but Found them easily on line. Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages. Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much! Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick! So welcoming! But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even a "Crew Card >> Application"! What? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you! Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall. I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations. I want to, I am determined >> to do so. But I am a stranger in a strange land. Please may I have a bit >> more guidance? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required. A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders" I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 06:28:13 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:28:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: <6ad345a6-f221-8d45-ebe5-fc74170c21ab@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <008e01d5cade$79628d70$6c27a850$@gmail.com> Always amazing what you all do to your engines. I do use ARP bolts for the head and the rods. Everything else is standard. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von John Styduhar via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 14:16 An: Phil Gott ; Nick Black Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) Just did this on Tony?s advice. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot > wrote: > > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. > > Cheers, Tony D > >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Jan 14 08:43:15 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 08:51:58 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:51:58 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> References: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> Hi Rick, it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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Now that I have them, did not need them at the event. Relax. Rick is good for his word. You?ll enjoy it! Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?John: > You get two or three (I forget which) crew for free. Any more than that you must pay a crew fee. Note that the crew fee is usually a track requirement rather than that of the sanctioning body. > Put in a fuel cell and come in over! You?ll have a great time! > Phil Gott > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:49 AM, John Davaies via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I'm being made more and more anxious by these messages.? ? Previously, I >> contacted Rick Parent, because I read the SVRA Regulations (!) and saw >> several differences between those and the Regs I race under in the UK. >> Rick said - "You're stressing too much!? Get on over here, it'll be fine!" >> Thank you, Rick!? So welcoming!? ? But he did say that the SVRA would insist >> on safety bagtank, which although a big cost isn't one I can argue with and >> I will get one. >> >> But now, more and more forms and regulations creep out of the woodwork! >> "Tech Forms" - I look at the SVRA website and find that there are forms to >> fill in on the vehicle AND on the engine! And even? a "Crew Card >> Application"!? What?? Here in the UK, you can have who the H*ll you like to >> help you!? Every race, you are issued with a couple of paper bracelets, to >> let your crew onto the pit wall.? I have two friends now living in North >> America, who have said they want to come and crew for me - do I get them to >> fill in these forms and pay the fee?? >> >> FoT, I know it's my responsibility to do all that is required to make me "OK >> to Race" and to comply with all the regulations.? I want to, I am determined >> to do so.? But I am a stranger in a strange land.? Please may I have a bit >> more guidance?? Rick's reassurance is most helpful and welcoming, but may I >> have a list of the regulations I must obey and the? papers that I will need, >> SVRA or whatever? >> >> Thank you! >> John >> >> PS Dual Brakes - the SVRA regs say, "Dual braking systems are required.? A >> working hand brake is acceptable in lieu of dual master cylinders"? ? I read >> that, noted the second sentence, and as I have a working hand brake assumed >> that was OK. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 13 January 2020 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 14 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>? fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>? fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>? fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Tue Jan 14 09:17:32 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Entry Fee - FOT Expenses. Answer to Inquiry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1815964333.7512208.1579018652287@mail.yahoo.com> All the K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group, if you would like to also race in a standard SVRA run group you will have to pay the standard SVRA entry fee in addition to the K Cup fee, we have 3 cars doing this already. So if you want to slap some MG guys around I'm good with that but be for warned they will slap back, metaphorically speaking of course, haha. On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:17:31 PM EST, mordy dunst via Fot wrote: How great! ? MdunstGasket Works USA LLC ?626.358.1616Triple R Munitions Inc. 626.201.9471 ??Perfection is an asymptotic ?process of pointing to a never ending integration of diminutive details- i.e. One can never be perfect.? ---------------- -SECURITY/CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING- This message (and any attachments) are intended solely for the individual or entity to which they are addressed. This communication may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure under applicable lae.g. research data, proprietary concepts, ?financial information). Because this e-mail I has been sent without encryption, individuals other than the intended recipient may be able to view the information, forward it to others or tamper with the information without the knowledge or consent of the sender. 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Expenses Tent & Accessories Trophies Golf Car for Kas. Miscellaneous. Some people are sending in the FOT Entry Fee and then adding a donation. Some people are sending donation even tho they are not running. Some are sending donations even tho they will not be there. What a marvelous group of people! There is no Treasury or Treasurer, so I opened up a personal account in my name. Checks made out to JH Alexander or PayPal sent to n197tr4 at cs.com Thanks for asking. It helps get the word out. REMINDER: We now have our own RUN GROUP. Practice, Qualifying (2), An ALL TRIUMPH RACE, and THE KASTNER CUP. ???Thank you SVRA! Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: ?319.464.4711 On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:27 PM, mordy dunst wrote: Triple _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 14 10:01:58 2020 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:01:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> References: <224725437.7487393.1579016595704@mail.yahoo.com> <00c901d5caf2$8e5b4460$ab11cd20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <802003408.178756.1579021319408@connect.xfinity.com> Ken Knight set mine up and milled the center main cap flat for better contact with the strap. jim g > On January 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. > > I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. > > The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 > An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer > Cc: FoTTriumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap > > > > Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. > > > > As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. > > > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? 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There is a practice day on Thursday for additional cost. * Dogs: Dogs are permitted, must be on a leash and you must pick up after them. * Sunday Night: We are permitted to spend Sunday night at the facility and depart on Monday, you will have to pull out of the paved paddock if you are there and park in the grass. We will have access to the Showers and bathroom Sunday night. * RV Dump Station: There is an RV dump station at the track. I have no idea how easy it is to get there though. * SVRA will be doing hero cards for all the Triumph drives. They will be asking for a picture from those that register at some point in time. Do not send pictures to me. * Saturday Dinner: The Saturday track dinner is NOT included in the free entry. * There is no electricity in the Paddock. * Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jan 14 10:42:15 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1766146197.11381996.1579023735460.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1766146197.11381996.1579023735460@mail.yahoo.com> A strap is an intermediate step. ? In my opinion unless that main cap is anchored to the block -?it moves. ?So,??I surface grind the main cap flat. ?Make a stout steel strap thick enough to almost be at level of block. ?Naturally?Appropriately dimensioned?-?legnth and width. ?Holes large enough within the strap?to accept 12 pt nuts on 1/2 studs. ?Additinal tapped holes in the cap?strap to secure the 1/2? plate. ? Sandwhiched oil pan gaskets top and bottom. ? I use a prepared stock crank- Not a?billet. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, January 14, 2020,?Bob Kramer via Fot??wrote: Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jan 14 11:11:06 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> I cant attach an image of setup on FOT email. So ill place photo on my instagram @gasket.works.? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, January 14, 2020,?JAMES GRAY via Fot??wrote: Ken Knight set mine up and milled the center main cap flat for better contact with the strap. jim g On January 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Rick, ? it doesn?t bother me. I?m always amazed what people putting to their engines and cars and I listen to the reasons why. I?m many times question myself if I should put these things to my car. On the other hand, as long it doesn?t have a problem, I?d better leave it alone. The lesser parts a car has, the lesser parts can fail. ? Cheers Chris ? ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Rick Parent via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 16:43 An: Nick Black ; Bob Kramer Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap ? Hey Chris, remind me to never post pictures of the inside of my engines if the main cap strap bothers you, haha. ? As an FYI, from my experience the center main cap is not the problem its the center main web that's sketchy so adding a strap may keep the center main cap from coming apart if it splits but it has no effect on stability. I am sure some one some where at sometime has spit a center main and that's probably what started the whole strap thing, don't get me wrong I am not poo pooing the idea just trying to shed a little light into the darkness of the dreaded tractor motors. ? On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:37:48 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? ? Crack at the rear head bolt?? If you are talking?about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement.? The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. Bob Kramer ? ? On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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There is a practice day on Thursday for additional cost. > - Dogs: Dogs are permitted, must be on a leash and you must pick up > after them. > - Sunday Night: We are permitted to spend Sunday night at the facility > and depart on Monday, you will have to pull out of the paved paddock if you > are there and park in the grass. We will have access to the Showers and > bathroom Sunday night. > - RV Dump Station: There is an RV dump station at the track. I have no > idea how easy it is to get there though. > - SVRA will be doing hero cards for all the Triumph drives. They will > be asking for a picture from those that register at some point in time. 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URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jan 14 14:00:16 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 21:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the correct repair.Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits.Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded.Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen.You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally even all around the journal.When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side of the journal; it will be very obvious.At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still be there unless weight is reduced.This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. Glen On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 14 14:07:51 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:07:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> If the block is cracking from head stud to water jacket, it is normally caused by tightening the head studs in the block. To avoid cracks, run the studs in by hand, without any tool. That is enough. Tighten them will split the block. The torque of the head nuts are at the limit of what the block can take, that?s why the split in the thread hole zone when the studs are wrenched in. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von fubog1 via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 22:00 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Main brg strap That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the correct repair. Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally even all around the journal. When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side of the journal; it will be very obvious. At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still be there unless weight is reduced. This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. Glen On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:17:44 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:17:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken Gilanders and others advised us to chamfer those stud holes to prevent raised edges as well. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:00 PM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the > correct repair. > Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good > up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well > balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. > Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight > heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. > Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore > and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. > You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very > carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally > even all around the journal. > When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side > of the journal; it will be very obvious. > At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still > be there unless weight is reduced. > This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. > > Glen > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:20:26 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> References: <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1688025735.7652647.1579035616993@mail.yahoo.com> <012701d5cb1e$aed21a80$0c764f80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed. Mine was a TR3 block and they had less meat than the later blocks, thus more susceptible to the cracking. The crack was only found when it got bigger, multiple head gaskets later. This was in 1997, before I knew any better. A healthy TR4 block was the permanent solution. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > If the block is cracking from head stud to water jacket, it is normally > caused by tightening the head studs in the block. > > To avoid cracks, run the studs in by hand, without any tool. That is > enough. > > Tighten them will split the block. > > > > The torque of the head nuts are at the limit of what the block can take, > that?s why the split in the thread hole zone when the studs are wrenched in. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *fubog1 via Fot > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 14. Januar 2020 22:00 > *An:* fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Main brg strap > > > > That crack is pretty common with these, a Timesert or similar is the > correct repair. > > Re the center main cap strap, in my experience, these are engines are good > up to 6.5kish, if it has a good crank & all is within spec and well > balanced, and the loads are within reasonable limits. > > Beyond that the bending loads increase with RPM, due to the recip weight > heavily loading that center main, and it gets overloaded. > > Once the cap deforms and/or fastener stretches, ie it's not round anymore > and not supporting the bearings, the bad stuff starts to happen. > > You can tell if it getting overloaded, measure the center journal very > carefully, we're into tenths now, and note where the wear is, it's normally > even all around the journal. > > When the load gets too heavy the wear will be mostly on the crankpin side > of the journal; it will be very obvious. > > At that point a center strap will help for sure but the loads will still > be there unless weight is reduced. > > This is why I try to focus on torque vs high RPM HP with these engines. > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head > bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... > I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are > you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? > How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make > anything? > > Motoring on in NORCAL > Nick > > Sent from the wilds of NorCal > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:38:48 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF5E278-DACF-4BFF-983B-4455F075E23E@yahoo.com> Yeah that stud at the drivers side rear of the block. I?ve kept it in check with sealant and lead washers for several years. The stud held torque but it now allows water up the stud and created a milkshake last time out. So, it?s time to refresh it and since I have another block... Would like to change my own block as well... Nick in norcal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:38:48 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF5E278-DACF-4BFF-983B-4455F075E23E@yahoo.com> Yeah that stud at the drivers side rear of the block. I?ve kept it in check with sealant and lead washers for several years. The stud held torque but it now allows water up the stud and created a milkshake last time out. So, it?s time to refresh it and since I have another block... Would like to change my own block as well... Nick in norcal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > Crack at the rear head bolt? If you are talking about the threads that hold in the head stud I once had a block that was good other than one corner stud hole having a crack that radiated into the liner opening. Cause the head to move around at that corner and resulted in head gasket problems. It was corrected with the Timesert, basically a threaded insert style of thread replacement. The machine shop that did it pinned in place with wedges and that required a little JB Weld to keep the water in check. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> Nick >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:48:03 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:48:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70039420-F6B7-4B71-A028-F83EF9183C07@yahoo.com> JOHN Once again you have saved the day with your info Thanks for the help from everyone... and now the fun starts Need more than a new coat of paint in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:16 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > ? > ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB > ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 > ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 > > longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB > > Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 > > center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) >> Just did this on Tony?s advice. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. >> > >> > Cheers, Tony D >> > >> >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 07:48:03 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:48:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70039420-F6B7-4B71-A028-F83EF9183C07@yahoo.com> JOHN Once again you have saved the day with your info Thanks for the help from everyone... and now the fun starts Need more than a new coat of paint in NorCal... Nick Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:16 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > ? > ARP main studs - ARP part number AR 4.250-1LB > ARP washers - ARP part number 200-8514 > ARP nuts - ARP part number 200-8607 > > longer ARP studs for center strap - ARP number AR4.750-1LB > > Order ARP parts direct from manufacturer as individual parts Ask for Al at extension 204 > > center strap Howards Cam part number H400FS (order from Summit Racing) > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:27 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Available from Summit. Part number suffixes are 3500 (3.5?) and 4000 (4.0?) >> Just did this on Tony?s advice. >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?ARP makes bolts in both stock length and longer for the strapped center main. I don't have part numbers, but that's what I'm running. >> > >> > Cheers, Tony D >> > >> >> On 1/13/2020 10:42 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: >> >> Well it?s finally time to build a new motor... the crack at the rear head bolt just won?t stop leakin anymore...so... >> >> I?ve found the Chevy front strap to use on the center main, but what are you using for main bolts/studs for the additional length? >> >> How about a complete set of fasteners for the mains? Does ARP make anything? >> >> >> >> Motoring on in NORCAL >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Sent from the wilds of NorCal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 12:35:38 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 19:35:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup overcrew and Dinner tickets Message-ID: Extra crew passes and dinner tickets can be purchased at the registration booth when you arrive at the track. Saturday dinner is not included in the free entry. Its nothing special at all. We will probably just cook out at the trailer that evening. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 15:38:53 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043991451.12199702.1579127933225@mail.yahoo.com> Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 15:53:03 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> Message-ID: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 15 16:36:55 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501@mail.yahoo.com> A GREAT lady! ?She blessed one of our Wine & Cheese parties once at Road America?with her presence. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 15, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: 06/27/16 ? _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Jan 15 16:36:55 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 References: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1367023815.25550.1579131415501@mail.yahoo.com> A GREAT lady! ?She blessed one of our Wine & Cheese parties once at Road America?with her presence. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, January 15, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5579.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2818817 bytes Desc: IMG_5579.JPG URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 16:40:35 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:40:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: , <1043991451.12199702.1579127933225@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: I bet that got your attention. Marty ________________________________ From: Barr, Scott Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:38 PM To: marty ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] FOT photos Such as this? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of marty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT photos Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack? ? Marty ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT photos Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jan 15 16:44:44 2020 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Various race bits of sale References: <1174194337.36850.1579131884346.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1174194337.36850.1579131884346@mail.yahoo.com> I parted out my TR6 race car.? Lots of the parts are for any racing application.? 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 17:18:35 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:18:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack? ? > > Marty > > From: Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT photos > > Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 17:48:36 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] FOT photos In-Reply-To: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> References: <41DF073F-84B2-498E-91F0-F33F8D6D427D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <805293875.8132336.1579135717012@mail.yahoo.com> I didn?t quite get the full set from the USVGP, but my car sports a Shawn Frank signature photo. (father-son image no less). These cards are cool that SVRA does!?I should have thought to have all you guys sign them!! ?? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:18 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! Brad EellsSent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda looks like I'm leading the pack??? Marty From: Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT photos?Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. Message me or call. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I should have thought to have all you guys sign them!! > > Dave G > [image: Inline image] > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:18 PM, Brad Eells via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I?ve got a bunch of those for my car! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 3:36 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Do you have any where I'm about to be lapped by the fast guys but it kinda > looks like I'm leading the pack? ? > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Shawn Frank via Fot > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:38 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Fot] FOT photos > > Amici, if you need a photo for the Triumph Hero Cards that will be printed > for the Kastner Cup, let me know. I may have a photo of you on track. > Message me or call. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 15 19:33:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen > held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and > D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), > so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, > I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close > enough that I could sneak in without being noticed. Unfortunately, my > Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of > the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". > > Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits > unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to > the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, > said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way. When > he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said > I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked > all day!" > > I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. > > Jack > > On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > > Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late > 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and > done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out > to the team. > > Times have changed. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12502 - Release Date: >>> 06/27/16 > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 15 19:33:09 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 In-Reply-To: <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen > held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and > D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), > so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, > I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close > enough that I could sneak in without being noticed. Unfortunately, my > Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of > the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". > > Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits > unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to > the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, > said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way. When > he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said > I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked > all day!" > > I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. > > Jack > > On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > > Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late > 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and > done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out > to the team. > > Times have changed. > > Cheers Bill > > On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM > Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 > > >> >> >> *Subject:* Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >> >> >> >> >> *THIS IS REALLY COOL?!* *Don't blink!* >>> *Car guys will love this and even if you're not a /'car guy/', it >>> really is amazing!* >>> >>> >>> *http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217* >>> Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 >>> >>> biertijd.com >>> Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 05:29:31 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:29:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you there Thanks Brian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > I won't touch that one... :-) > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I > could. > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, > maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of > the weekend. > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... > we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs > Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine > coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that > soon. > > This is getting exciting. > > See you all there!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard > others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember > to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. > I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled > with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn > from the manual. > > Suggestions? > > See you there > Thanks > Brian > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: > >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >> could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, >> maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of >> the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >> soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 16 08:46:17 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management of the K Cup directors. All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track with any SVRA run groups. All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear including a Fuel Cell. If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and we all know how much that is, nothing right?? You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a vacation. I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application (General Membership) License Renewalsvra.com | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 09:21:53 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:21:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, based on what you said, that is not what the entry form says: * Kastner Cup Triumph Featured Marque - SVRA Sprint Series - Triumphs select this option for Sprint Series - $100 Deposit Required - credit issued on green flag * On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Rick Parent wrote: > You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify > things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. > > SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management > of the K Cup directors. > > All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track > with any SVRA run groups. > > All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear > including a Fuel Cell. > > If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will > need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and > we all know how much that is, nothing right? > > You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour > Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. > lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there > was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a > vacation. > > > I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. > > > On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be > waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race. If you > need examples I can provide them. Thanks > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Listen to Rick, not me on this. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Parent > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* marty ; Mike Harmuth > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup > > If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. > > Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, > please email them to rick at svra.com > > Here are the new forms. > > We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars > accordingly in advance. > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no > changes, need to put in another one? > > mike h > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a > word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of > the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our > selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link > below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification > form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you > can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That > way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance. > > Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come > June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed > interest in racing. > > Marty > > > https://svra.com/forms/ > Forms | SVRA > SVRA Forms: Quick Reference. Below is a quick reference to all the forms > available for SVRA: Crew Card Application Spectator Season Pass Application > (General Membership) License Renewal > svra.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Thu Jan 16 10:08:15 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:08:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). -john John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > mike h > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>> >>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>> >>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>> >>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>> >>> This is getting exciting. >>> >>> See you all there!!! >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 16 10:27:02 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:27:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <1540450410.57752.1579140655779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00795249-d1c4-c9d7-a969-312156f37065@tonydrews.com> Gopro cameras can't create files larger than 4 GB, so it creates multiple files.? Depending on the settings, you'll get more or less of them.? Go Pro has some free software you can use to put them together, I use a cheap video editing program instead.? The file size is due to the storage card, there's not much to be done about it. - Tony D On 1/16/2020 6:29 AM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've > heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when > I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it > stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so > minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what > I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. > > Suggestions? > > See you there > Thanks > Brian > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > > wrote: > > I won't touch that one... :-) > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone > if I could. > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us > again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full > sprint most of the weekend. > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a > ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North > American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The > Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to > other publications. More on that soon. > > This is getting exciting. > > See you all there!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 10:31:10 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with > older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing > if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have > some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... > https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should > think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be > stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio > quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used > whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. > The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in > the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work > best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will > make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I > believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, > RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit > them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo > embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something > like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like > integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them > as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras > https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > mike h > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: > >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >> from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >> wrote: >> >>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>> >>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>> could. >>> >>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>> most of the weekend. >>> >>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>> soon. >>> >>> This is getting exciting. >>> >>> See you all there!!! >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 11:34:56 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:34:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, We?d like to have you there with us. It?s exceeding all expectations. And SVRA has been magnificent...... Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 16, 2020, at 12:12 PM, tom strange via Fot wrote: > > ? > As most of you know, I no longer have a car to race..... but I'm wishing to make it to the cup this year. I would also like to bring a guest. > The request ... does anyone have any available pit passes (I could do some pit work, but limited due to back surgery)? > Even harder, does anyone have a car.they would trust me with, to give my guest a ride on the track? > I assume there may be an opportunity to take street cars out, but I'd really like to do this in a real car.... and I may have my suburban there, which doesnt handle quite like my spit did... > Thanks > Tom > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rick.parent at att.net Thu Jan 16 13:33:32 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tech forms for the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <691949393.6076661.1578609193861@mail.yahoo.com> <78743473.8331217.1579189577379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1978373161.8441031.1579206812405@mail.yahoo.com> Hi John, That was before the K Cup had its own run group. Generally the feature groups never have enough cars for their own run group and they would run in the normal groups all weekend until they are combined for the feature race on Sunday. On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:22:09 AM EST, John Styduhar wrote: Rick, based on what you said, that is not what the entry form says:?? ? Kastner Cup Triumph Featured Marque - SVRA Sprint Series - Triumphs select this option for SprintSeries - $100 Deposit Required - credit issued on green flag?? On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Rick Parent wrote: You guys are making way too big a deal about this, I will try and simplify things here in hopes of everyone getting their Chi back, haha. SVRA is not waiving any rules, all K Cup entrants are under the management of the K Cup directors. All K Cup cars will run in the K Cup run group and will not be on track with any SVRA run groups. All K Cup cars must have all the correct and up to date safety gear including a Fuel Cell. If you want to race in an SVRA run group as well as the K Cup you will need to pay the standard entry fee in addition to the K Cup entry fee and we all know how much that is, nothing right?? You may also enter the test day or track orientation program and a 1 hour Endure if you are so inclined and yes they all carry an extra fee as well. lots of choices for you out there. I suspect if you did everything there was to do this weekend your engine will need a rebuild and you will need a vacation. I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease at least temporarily, haha. On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:03:05 PM EST, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I'd like to understand from Rick Parent what SVRA rules are going to be waived for the Mid-Ohio race and particularly the Kastner Cup race.? If you need examples I can provide them.? Thanks On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:25 PM marty via Fot wrote: Listen to Rick, not me on this. Marty From: Rick Parent Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:33 PM To: marty ; Mike Harmuth Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tech forms for the Kastner Cup?If you have already turned in the forms no need to do it again. Please do not mail them, we will never see them that address is gone, please email them to rick at svra.com Here are the new forms. We need to know what tires you will be using so we can class cars accordingly in advance. On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:52:10 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Probably a question for Rick. I did this last year for the Glen event, no changes, need to put in another one? mike h On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM marty via Fot wrote: Due to the enormity ( I had to look that one up to make sure it was a word) of this years event lets please try and get some of this stuff out of the way in advance so we aren't standing around in tech thinking to our selves darn I wish I would have done that earlier. If you go to the link below there is a race car certification form and an engine certification form. I'm not sure all the stuff applies but fill it in the best that you can and get it mailed in to the address at the bottom of the one form. That way SVRA can see what's coming and it will help line up classes in advance.? Thanks, I'm hoping to get as much up front work out of the way now so come June we are just coasting. We are up to 39 cars registered, 65 expressed interest in racing. Marty https://svra.com/forms/ | Forms | SVRASVRA Forms: Quick Reference. 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URL: From john at linneyweb.com Thu Jan 16 15:44:19 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:44:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney > wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 07:05:09 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 14:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat.? During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby.? When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. Cylinder head studs:? I've heard lots of theories about them.? Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever".? My actual experience is closer to the latter.? During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise).? When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths).? I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break.? That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows:.? 48 - 9" studs.? 21 - 9 1/2" studs.? 71 - 5" studs.? 39 - 5 3/8" studs.? 12 - 5 1/2" studs This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A.? It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs.? I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them.? But that is a difficult step for a pack rat.? So, anyone have any ideas?? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship.? I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them.? The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. Thank you, and best regards, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 07:19:15 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:19:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E5FEEA8-9ABE-44CF-821C-05E3825FD659@gmail.com> Could you bring some of this stuff to the Kastner Cup, if you are able to join us? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. > > Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. > > So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows: > . 48 - 9" studs > . 21 - 9 1/2" studs > . 71 - 5" studs > . 39 - 5 3/8" studs > . 12 - 5 1/2" studs > > This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. > > I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. > > Thank you, and best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 08:19:07 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:19:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack When you figure it out let me know. I can attest the problem is made worse when you keep everything and then start using ARP studs. I too have never had a problem with a stock stud, loved the double thick head nuts from BFE, but also loved hex key removal feature of the ARP. Bob Kramer On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:06 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was > racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When > I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one > day. > > Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything > from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them > forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time > that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). > When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and > unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs > (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of > racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. > That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these > studs. > > So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as > follows: > . 48 - 9" studs > . 21 - 9 1/2" studs > . 71 - 5" studs > . 39 - 5 3/8" studs > . 12 - 5 1/2" studs > > This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner > of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is > slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, > to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. > > I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them > to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a > difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the > weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of > them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful > for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. > > Thank you, and best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 17 09:38:06 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:38:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks, Scott On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano > wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney > wrote: > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > -john > > John Linney > https://classicmotorfilms.com > 408 887 8105 > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: >> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >> >> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> See you there >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot > wrote: >> I won't touch that one... :-) >> >> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >> >> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >> >> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >> >> This is getting exciting. >> >> See you all there!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 17 09:53:44 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:53:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Main brg strap In-Reply-To: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1667909268.11418615.1579025466903@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610924d0-3aa2-a7c6-52b3-ed735b8709c1@bradakis.com> On 1/14/20 11:11 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > I cant attach an image of setup on FOT email. So ill place photo on my > instagram @gasket.works. > > What sort of problem are you having sending a picture to the FOT list? mjb. From john at linneyweb.com Fri Jan 17 09:54:17 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:54:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: I?m going to be doing an article on mounting, but here?s the short version. Don?t use a suction cup. They fall off under the high g-loads of racing. The best mount I have found is GoPros own roll bar mount. If you hang the GoPro upside down on the roll bar it will automatically flip the recording the right way up, and you will also get less ?roof? in the shot. The best angle if you only have 1 camera is looking forward through the windshield. Record at 2.7K resolution to get the best stabilization. And try wide vs. linear to capture a little of the side action. Here?s their roll bar mount. Pricey but good. https://gopro.com/en/us/shop/mounts/large-tube-mount/AGTLM-001.html At the end of this my suction cup mount gives way. The camera survived. https://youtu.be/KCowea1ffvo > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > ?I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Fri Jan 17 10:01:55 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:01:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <0F664783-ADC6-4E4E-8E12-204C69EBC5C5@linneyweb.com> Also to Scott?s question on GT6. Here?s my video of a GT6. At the 2:50 mark you will see an interior shot from a GoPro. In a race car I would put the camera to the passenger side for a less obstructed view. https://youtu.be/DoVcDIZyTJQ The video also shows many different angles and mounting options if you don?t mind securing a bracket. One advantage of being internally mounted is that you will get a lot less wind noise in your audio. > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > ?I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So ill place photo on my > instagram @gasket.works. > > What sort of problem are you having sending a picture to the FOT list? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:44:38 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: Here is what GoPro footage looks like from the inside of John Frymark's GeeT6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkeqrqSgBoo *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:20 AM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 10:45:01 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <22961610.8769579.1579283101100@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Below is a video shot from inside a closed car, with a gopro suction cupped to the sunroof. ? I don?t change any settings on the camera from when it?s in (on) my TR4; the camera just ?works? without having to worry about light/dark contrast. ?Might be an issue if you have the camera in the way back, but I?d expect if it?s at swayback distance from the windshield you will have good luck. ?? Video is from a GoPro 7 Silver, at 1080p resolution, because I?m cheap and like having lots of video space. https://youtu.be/Q_WYZH869Yc? On my YouTube page you can see some in car from the Tr4 if you?d like to compare. Hope that helps!Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, January 17, 2020, 11:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website.GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. ?Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. ?I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks,Scott? On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279.? -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality.? I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell.? The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmITR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind).? I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit).? -john John Linneyhttps://classicmotorfilms.com408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ?Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large.A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you thereThanksBrian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could.? May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend.? I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com --? 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URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:49:46 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q Jason On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 11:03:44 2020 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:03:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> Here?s a source that might give you ideas as you browse their website. ?Justin Filmtools: Hollywood's Source for Motion Picture and Digital Video Equipment and Supplies - Filmtools https://www.filmtools.com/ > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >> >> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >> >> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >> >> Brian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> See you there >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting exciting. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you all there!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn Frank >>>>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>>>> 515-339-4228 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Schirano >>>>> 585-305-0349 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 11:19:18 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 13:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> <11A0D3E7-47D9-45DE-9C93-93F36D039110@gmail.com> Message-ID: I like mine on the back roll bar looking from shoulder height. It captures most of the gauges while I'm driving, kind of a ghetto data collection system for an analog car. mike On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 1:04 PM J Wagner via Fot wrote: > Here?s a source that might give you ideas as you browse their website. > ?Justin > > Filmtools: Hollywood's Source for Motion Picture and Digital Video > Equipment and Supplies - Filmtools > > https://www.filmtools.com/ > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email > got me to look at the website. > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands > offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said > they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and > shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they > make these things for way less than $100. > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 > is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m > assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video > frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also > wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device > to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > Thanks, > Scott > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot > wrote: > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering > camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative > options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion > on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black > down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > -john > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of > comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a > reason! > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a > stitching app and away I (we) go > > Brian > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > >> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with >> older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing >> if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have >> some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... >> https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >> >> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you >> should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You >> will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and >> even audio quality. >> >> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used >> whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. >> The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >> >> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio >> in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >> >> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work >> best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will >> make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >> >> -john >> >> John Linney >> https://classicmotorfilms.com >> 408 887 8105 >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I >> believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, >> RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit >> them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo >> embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something >> like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like >> integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >> >> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join >> them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras >> https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >> >> mike h >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>> >>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard >>> others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember >>> to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. >>> I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled >>> with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn >>> from the manual. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> See you there >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I >>>> could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us >>>> again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint >>>> most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... >>>> we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs >>>> Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine >>>> coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Fri Jan 17 11:23:45 2020 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> References: <9123338F-343E-4D0A-AD9F-BD9AAE59B54E@linneyweb.com> <2E5386BD-8086-4F59-92B1-EE149C48B266@me.com> Message-ID: <1862181347.8731977.1579285425797@mail.yahoo.com> Here is where I get my camera's, so many to choose from now. I bought one for 35$ about 6 years ago that I use to look down the carbs on the dyno when I was messing with SU's, they work great in my race cars as well. The video quality is wonderful! www.banggood.com XANES K1 4K WiFi Sports Camera 1080P 2.0 LCD HD 30m Waterproof DV Video Sport Extreme Go Pro Mini Recorder Sport Camera Bike & Bicycle from Sports & Outdoor on banggood.com | | | | | | | | | | | XANES K1 4K WiFi Sports Camera 1080P 2.0 LCD HD 30m Waterproof DV Video ... Banggood.com Online Shopping at Banggood.com? | | | On Friday, January 17, 2020, 12:01:57 PM EST, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website.GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. ?Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. ?I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks,Scott? On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279.? -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality.? I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell.? The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmITR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind).? I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit).? -john John Linneyhttps://classicmotorfilms.com408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ?Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large.A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you thereThanksBrian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could.? May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend.? I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon.? This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny"_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com --? 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Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 14:04:14 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:04:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 17 15:07:47 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> Message-ID: <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Jan 17 15:10:56 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:10:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com>, <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards, Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 15:14:46 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:14:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 4:11 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I > checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" > which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. > > If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the > "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio > Sportscar Course. > > c ya there! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Marty, > > I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they > don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as > available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be > available for us. > > Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, > Fuel Available > We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. > * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane > * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane > * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane > * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty wrote: > > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. >> >> If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. >> >> c ya there! >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Marty, >> >> I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. >> >> Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, >> Fuel Available >> We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. >> * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane >> * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane >> * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane >> * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfrymark at aol.com Fri Jan 17 15:26:30 2020 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark MacBook) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:26:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio race fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> References: <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D.ref@aol.com> <70319DD6-09BB-4EA3-B595-B13B3C91157D@aol.com> <1896982405.8820673.1579298867995@mail.yahoo.com> <43D09B09-62F0-4670-AA69-4F9E7FE3B554@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). > On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > They had 110 last year.... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. >> >> If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. >> >> c ya there! >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Marty, >> >> I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. >> >> Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, >> Fuel Available >> We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. >> * Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane >> * Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane >> * 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane >> * Premium Unleaded 93 Octane >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ?Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?Mordy Dunst via Fot??wrote: I called the office at Mid O. ?Of course they have 110 leaded fuel. ? Their web site is incorrect.?? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Friday, January 17, 2020,?John Frymark MacBook via Fot??wrote: I?m assured! (Just wanted to be sure there wasn?t some local ?stuff? limiting what they had on offer and didn?t want to haul fuel in). On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: They had 110 last year.... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ?Hi - I thought this too (the mention of purple 100 octane fuel), but I checked and CAM2 == Sunoco and the only purple Sunoco has is "Standard" which is 110 leaded. So, "we" should be all set. If you're paranoid, bring a few jerry cans with your fav. And check the "fuel finder" on the Sunoco web site for retailers at / near Mid Ohio Sportscar Course. c ya there! Regards,Bob Lang On Friday, January 17, 2020, 4:16:30 PM EST, John Frymark MacBook via Fot wrote: Marty, I checked the website and it?s as you say, but I can?t believe that they don?t have Sunoco 110 Leaded. That?s a popular choice not to have listed as available at a race track. Any ?locals? have reassurance that it will be available for us. Gas: Per the Mid-Ohio website, Fuel Available We have Sunoco Race Fuels available through our credit card pay pumps. ? ? *? Cam2 (Purple) Leaded 100 Octane ? ? *? Cam2 (Clear) Unleaded 100 Octane ? ? *? 260GTX Unleaded Non-Oxygenated 98 Octane ? ? *? 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:28 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gremlin? > > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 18 07:42:18 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 07:42:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> References: <369244126.561875.1579318065918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <369244126.561875.1579318065918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e441ad0-ceca-33c5-ada9-5154e799234f@bradakis.com> On 1/17/20 8:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from > the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > Man, what a boring night at work.? One trip to Ogden and back, 6.5 hours sitting at Roper yard watching the rails rust. Anyway, don't worry about it, it happens.? It might be from accidentally clicking on the personalized "Unsubscribe/Manage" link added to the end of each realtime message.? It could be you, or more likely another list member, since folks rarely edit out all that stuff when they post a response.? Or it may be from some random hacker who is going through the publicly accessible archives and finds the link which has not been edited out and clicks on it just to be a pain. On a side note, Januaru 2020 could be a record month for the number of FOT posts, thanks to the Mid Ohio discussions.? I'll have to do some cipherin' later on, check message counts for various months, see how we do. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Sat Jan 18 07:51:51 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request References: <996404244.680787.1579359111867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you, Mark. I must remember to send you a support?check for the New Year. And I will. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot??wrote: On 1/17/20 8:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Hi Mark... > > Do we have a gremlin? > > I keep getting emails suggesting I have requested to be removed from > the FOT List ( which of course I have not). > > Do I/we have. Gremlin? > Man, what a boring night at work.? One trip to Ogden and back, 6.5 hours sitting at Roper yard watching the rails rust. Anyway, don't worry about it, it happens.? It might be from accidentally clicking on the personalized "Unsubscribe/Manage" link added to the end of each realtime message.? It could be you, or more likely another list member, since folks rarely edit out all that stuff when they post a response.? Or it may be from some random hacker who is going through the publicly accessible archives and finds the link which has not been edited out and clicks on it just to be a pain. 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URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 18 08:02:19 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:02:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom > On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > > Resending second link to the detailed image. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock > wrote: > The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. > > It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg > > There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. > > Don > 1962 Triumph TR3B > (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder > wrote: > I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atr6racer at hotmail.com Sat Jan 18 08:12:59 2020 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:12:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> , Message-ID: Hi Tom, Long time no hear from! This is Sam Halkias from Westerville, I am in need of a late model cylinder head for a TR6. Any chance you have one? Sam ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Tom Householder via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 10:02 AM To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock > wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock > wrote: The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. Don 1962 Triumph TR3B (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder > wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 08:22:11 2020 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Continental Kit In-Reply-To: References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <334137543.8991799.1579360931611@mail.yahoo.com> Might be on to something Tom.? I know the British AA stocked small parts (belts, plugs etc.) in boxes around England in the old days.? If you were a member you got a key with your membership that opened the box.? I was lucky enough to find an original numbered badge and key years ago.? Maybe this was Standard Triumph's take on emergency parts for us folks on the "Continent"!! On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 10:02:29 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California ?A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts. ?I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on? Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock wrote: The?Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car.? It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it.? There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models.? Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label.? The second image shows the contents list enlarged.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos.? I'll keep looking. Don1962 Triumph TR3B(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on Tom On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: Resending second link to the detailed image. [3]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg [4] On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock wrote: The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network. It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The second image shows the contents list enlarged. [6]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg [7] [8]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg [9] There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos. I'll keep looking. Don1962 Triumph TR3B(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!) On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder wrote: I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. 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I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since this ad seems to apply to the early (small mouth) TR-3's, could they be talking about the kit which included the factory hard top, door handles (since the early TR-3 did not have them), different side curtains (with door handles, the flap at the bottom of the side curtain, or the zipper were not required), etc. Basically to make the car like a hard top tourer? There was such a kit, I'm just not sure what it was called. > > Jack > > On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 4:53:15 AM EST, Tom Householder via Fot wrote: > > > I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 18 09:42:34 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:42:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bogus Request In-Reply-To: <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> References: <996404244.680787.1579359111867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <996404244.680787.1579359111867@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/18/20 7:51 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Thank you, Mark. > > I must remember to send you a support?check for the New Year. > > And I will. > You're most welcome.? Too bad more people don't accidently click on the donate link ;-) mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 10:57:28 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:57:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. Message-ID: FOT: It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Jan 18 11:08:04 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:08:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, I am pretty certain I will not be dragging the TR3 up from Austin. It is really tough for me to take a week off of work for racing. Saying that, I may fly up for the weekend for the festivities. such a great gathering shaping up, tough to miss out completely. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. > > These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. > > (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). > > > http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html > > Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. > > And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. > > The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. > > Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 18 16:23:00 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 23:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 - More Memories In-Reply-To: <1447213387.14336251.1579182345980@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3f2794fafd2616dfe961bb9917ce99478d50e1a7@webmail> <443db5c3-54ac-07fc-9796-8e30842c7517@verizon.net> <796496292.12196371.1579128783577@mail.yahoo.com> <1447213387.14336251.1579182345980@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1275187844.15765525.1579389782372@mail.yahoo.com> Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? 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They offered a short term lease, I'll know in a few days what's happening. > >> See you soon, I will be liquidating Triumphs Only including tools, machinery, inventory, cars, so put the word out! >> >> Cheers, >> Wayne > >> Bill > TR6/TR3 > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 19 07:16:49 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 14:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 - More Memories In-Reply-To: <2072898553.853447.1579404047488@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2072898553.853447.1579404047488.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2072898553.853447.1579404047488@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <121903700.15906670.1579443409142@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Bill.? I knew there was a reason I held on to this stuff for all these years. Jack On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 10:21:21 PM EST, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: GOOD STUFF Jack! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 18, 2020,?Jack Wheeler via Fot??wrote: Was cleaning out a closet this afternoon and came across some of my old race programs from The Glen.? Specifically, I came across the program for the "Glen 500" in 1964 (picture attached).? For some reason, the entry lists were printed in red, and didn't come out very well when I tried to take a picture.? I did get a couple of shots of the entry list for the Glen 500 race, the first one of the entire list, and the second one a close-up of the first few cars. I draw your attention to the Co-driver of car #4, a Jaguar XK-140 in D Production.? Yes, that's right, it was Janet Guthrie, of Great Neck, NY.? Sorry for the eye test, but if you look closely you will see some other familiar names in there. Also fun to note the variety of cars in the race:? Corvettes & Cobras, lots of TR-4's and Healys, Jag E-Types and the 140, an AC Bristol, a Lotus (Super 7?), Elva Courier, Daimler SP250 (saw 3 of those last weekend in a "Barn Find" here in NC), a Porsche and an Abarth Simca.? How's that for a vintage race grid? Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Bill Tobin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020, 8:45:45 AM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 Hi Bill.? That's totally consistent with everything I have heard.? I never met her, just had that brief encounter in the pits in 1964.? She never got out of the car! Jack On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 9:33:18 PM EST, Bill Tobin wrote: Five years ago at the Indy Brickyard Invitational (I sent them a check for $795 and they invited me!) I had the distinct pleasure of buying lunch for her and a friend of mine who knew her. What a gracious intelligent humorous and wonderful person she was. We had a great chat and then she said sorry guys I have to go do an interview. Great memory. Also the best $795 I ever spent! Cheers Bill On 1/15/2020 5:53 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: Here's another Pit Stop funny from Watkins Glen.? In 1964, The Glen held the first annual Glen 500 (500 Kilometers), race for A, B, C and D production cars.? I was working for the local radio station (WCLI), so I was able to get a "restricted" pit pass.? Because I was under 18, I couldn't get full access to the pits, but I was able to get close enough that I could sneak in without being noticed.? Unfortunately, my Driver's Ed teacher at the time was working on the pit crew in one of the pits I walked right past.? He said "you're not supposed to be here". Just then, in the middle of the race, his car pulled into the pits unexpectedly.? It was a blue XK120 (or 140?).? My teacher went up to the driver, who said something.? He then threw his arms up in the air, said something back to the driver, and sent the car on its way.? When he came back, I asked him what that was all about.? He said, "she said I have no oil pressure, at which I responded, that gauge hasn't worked all day!" I love her as a driver and person, but this joke was on Janet Guthrie. Jack On Monday, January 13, 2020, 2:49:30 PM EST, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Then there was the famous Ferrari pit stop in the USGP in the late 60's. It was kind of a cluster situation and when all was said and done they had put the flat tire back on! A photographer pointed it out to the team. Times have changed. Cheers Bill On 1/13/2020 3:53 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ----------------------------------------- From: "HAROLD J MITCHELL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday January 11 2020 2:46:25PM Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? ? Subject: Fwd: Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 ? ? THIS IS REALLY COOL?! ?? Don't blink! ???? Car guys will love this and even if you're not a 'car guy', it really is amazing! ? ? http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=47217 | Biertijd.com // Media ? Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013 biertijd.com Formula 1 Pit Stop 1950 vs 2013. Loading the player ... (6177) | ? ? ? ? No virus found in this message. 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 07:27:07 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 08:27:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup: R. W. "Kas" Kastner. RECIPIENTS. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <650AF126-B20B-4154-9828-570E7AB8A071@gmail.com> The Kastner Cup is more than racing. It?s a celebration of the Friends of Triumph. Please fly in and join us. As past recipient of the Kastner Cup, you are VIP Status. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > ?Joe, > > I am pretty certain I will not be dragging the TR3 up from Austin. It is really tough for me to take a week off of work for racing. > > Saying that, I may fly up for the weekend for the festivities. such a great gathering shaping up, tough to miss out completely. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?FOT: >> >> It?s good to see so much interaction on the LIST. >> >> These are the past recipients of the Kastner Cup. Most will be joining us at Mid-Ohio. >> >> (I would like to know which of them will NOT be joining us). >> >> >> http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html >> >> Thank you for the steady stream of FOT ENTRY FEES of $125.00. >> >> And thank you to those who are volunteering so much time. >> >> The donations have also been generous. The usual suspects. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Sun Jan 19 15:39:54 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:39:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting Message-ID: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> Hi Scott. You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables, plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate. The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a Hero 5 is a better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up. All cameras checked out fine. As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and the camera will begin recording. For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. Per mounting. I prefer not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with all the vibration and variable momentum changes. My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" and mount point on the camera body (triangulate) helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. Hope this was helpful. Stephen Jones ---------------------------------------- From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting Hi Scott, I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q Jason On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I've been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John's email got me to look at the website. GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife's no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I'm down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. Here's the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I'm assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I'm also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what "exposure" to shoot for. Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? Thanks, Scott On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. -john On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go Brian On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It's not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ I'll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. I'll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). I'll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I'm also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). -john John Linney https://classicmotorfilms.com 408 887 8105 On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk mike h On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Yes... The Hero cards are very cool Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. Suggestions? See you there Thanks Brian On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: I won't touch that one... :-) I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. This is getting exciting. See you all there!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 18:58:35 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 19:58:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> References: <596abca29aad463a97b2a3d8b6fe35a5@toast.net> Message-ID: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> I don?t think anyone replied yet about the question regarding whether lighting will be off if the car is mounted inside the car. ?You can alter the light metering from the ?averaging? setting that adjusts for the entire field of view or you can select spot metering, which will bias the exposure for what?s in the center of the field of view. ?In an enclosed sedan I mount the camera over my shoulder and use the spot metering setting, so what?s outside the car looks right, but if the interior is dark it may be harder to see the gauges or what?s going on in the footwell. I?ve usually mounted my ancient GoPro to the roll bar but I?m going to try one of the adhesive mounts that came with the clear plastic case ? but only because it?s inside the car, so if it falls it won?t end up on the track. ?I recall entering the track access road from the grid and a suction-cup mounted GoPro on an MGB ahead of me fell off and landed right in the middle of the road. ?A friend asked if I wanted to borrow his GoPro so I could get a rear view at CotA while my camera filmed the front. ?He had a large suction cup (at least 4? across) but after he attached it to the inside of the side window behind my seat I heard it fall to the floor. ?I had used Rain-X (the type for use inside to prevent fogging, which it really doesn?t do very well) and the mega suction cup refused to stick for more than a couple of minutes. Part of my routine is to click on the camera when we get the 3 minute warning, just before starting the engine up again. ?Remembering to click it off is a different matter. Duncan On Jan 19, 2020, 4:40 PM -0600, Stephen Jones via Fot , wrote: > Hi Scott. > > You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a?Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables,?plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD?cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate.?The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a?Hero 5 is a?better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up.?All cameras checked out fine. > > As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and ?the camera will begin recording. > > For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. > > Per mounting. I prefer?not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with?all the vibration and variable momentum changes.?My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" ?and mount point on the camera body (triangulate)?helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. > > Hope this was helpful. > > Stephen Jones > > > > > > > > From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM > To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting > > Hi Scott, > I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop.? It does a much better? job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track.? I'm watching this email thread with interest. > > One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car.? No more worrying about charging the camera battery.? The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. > https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q > > Jason > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > > I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. > > > GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250.? Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. > > > > > > Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield.? I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. > > > > > > Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? ?rain gutter clamp? > > > > > > Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: > > > > > > You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. > > > > > > https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera > > > > > > For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: > > > > > > > > Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! > > > > > > > > Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: > > > > > > Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... ?https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > The race...?https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI > > > > > > TR250K...?https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A?(a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). > > > > > > > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > > > > > > John Linney > > > > > > https://classicmotorfilms.com > > > > > > 408 887 8105 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly?2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender,??http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html???to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. > > > > > > > A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras?https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mike h > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes... The Hero cards are very cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session.? I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See you there > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I won't touch that one... :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is getting exciting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See you all there!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shawn Frank > > > > > > > > > > > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > > > > > > > > > > > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > > > > > > > > > > > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > > > > > > > > > > > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > > > > > > > > > > > Iowa British Car Club > > > > > > > > > > > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > > > > > > > > > > > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > > > > > > > > > > > 515-339-4228 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > > > > > > > > > > > '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 > > > > > > > > > > > '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > > > Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Brian Schirano > > > > > > > > > 585-305-0349 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > Archive:?http://autox.team.net/archive?http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Brian Schirano > > > > 585-305-0349 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 19 21:13:07 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 04:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Pic crew References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. Thank you!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at linneyweb.com Mon Jan 20 09:09:12 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 08:09:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pic crew In-Reply-To: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> Hi Shawn. Sorry to hear. I am solid this year so far, but I?d be happy to add your GoPros under my perview. I can make sure they are charged and mounted for the race on any cars you need. I may need help ensuring they are all started. I would also love to have their footage available for the race edit I will be producing. Hope that helps. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. Thank you!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 20 15:46:02 2020 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Pic crew In-Reply-To: <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> References: <571547243.1173010.1579493587276@mail.yahoo.com> <02C458F9-307F-4CAE-A603-BAFD2F016114@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <1707846638.1615485.1579560362756@mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there and am working on a crew. I'd be OK if you wanted to use my footage, even if it is just for a second at a different angle. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:09 AM, John Linney wrote: Hi Shawn. Sorry to hear. I am solid this year so far, but I?d be happy to add your GoPros under my perview. I can make sure they are charged and mounted for the race on any cars you need. I may need help ensuring they are all started. I would also love to have their footage available for the race edit I will be producing. Hope that helps. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici, I will not have the Eric(h)s with me at this year's Cup due to scheduling conflicts. If you know of someone willing to video throughout the weekend, I can supply the Media Credentials and GoPros. I don't make any money on the Kastner Cup coverage, so I can't offer any pay, unfortunately. I'm taking suggestions. Thank you!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Tue Jan 21 05:03:50 2020 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:03:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs In-Reply-To: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <508928752.15052957.1579269909203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <508928752.15052957.1579269909203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015601d5d052$d9c045d0$8d40d170$@roadrunner.com> Jack, I would suspect that there are many TR's out there that have incorrect length cylinder head studs installed. If you were to make up proper sets of stud kits, you could recoup some of your financial investment by selling "correct" stud sets? I'd be in line for purchase as I am pretty sure my TR3A is not correct in this department. Tim Hutchisen Norway ME From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 9:05 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] TR-3, 4 Engine Studs Call me crazy, but yes, I am a pack rat. During the 25 years that I was racing a TR-4 I acquired many parts cars to support my racing hobby. When I parted out these cars,m I kept anything that could possibly be used one day. Cylinder head studs: I've heard lots of theories about them. Everything from "you must change every time you rebuild" to "keep using them forever". My actual experience is closer to the latter. During the time that I raced, I never bought an engine stud (cylinder head, or otherwise). When I disassembled an engine, I inspected the cylinder head studs, and unless there were major gouges or other obvious defects, I kept the studs (5 different lengths). I used, and re-used these studs through 25 years of racing, and lots of hours in street cars, and have never had one break. That's the only evidence I can give for the quality of the design of these studs. So now, I am cleaning out my garage and I have a lot of head studs, as follows: . 48 - 9" studs . 21 - 9 1/2" studs . 71 - 5" studs . 39 - 5 3/8" studs . 12 - 5 1/2" studs This last one (5 1/2"), is the one used at the passenger side rear corner of the engine, on engines starting with the TR-3B through the TR-4A. It is slightly longer than the other short studs on the right side of the engine, to accommodate the lifting bracket which attaches to this stud. I'm trying to figure out what to do with these studs. I could take them to the scrap metal yard, and get pennies per pound for them. But that is a difficult step for a pack rat. So, anyone have any ideas? Because of the weight, they are expensive to ship. I'd be happy to give them (or some of them) to anyone who has a use for them. The FOT has always been helpful for me in the past, and I'm sure you will come up with something this time. 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As written, it calls for 13 studs! -- Randall From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 21 09:17:36 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:17:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP ENTRIES Message-ID: Holding steady at 38 entries. Maybe paddock space wont be as big a worry as I had imagined. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Tue Jan 21 11:20:38 2020 From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:20:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Head Studs Message-ID: <000001d5d087$7bbd8d00$7338a700$@klaenv.com> The lengths and positions for the head studs on the TR-3/4 motors is in the manual. By this time ALL original head studs, rod bolts, main cap bolts and assorted nuts/washers are scrap metal only for a race motor. Main cap bolts should be thrown away and replaced by ARP studs. If you use the ARP head stud kit (Moss carries it) refer to the tech section in the ARP manual on these fasteners as it is very interesting. The ARP manual is on-line. In general I do the following; 1. I mark the bottom of all head studs with a # using an electric scribe. I lightly sand flat. 2. Using a 12" caliper I measure and record the length of all of the studs on my build sheet, 1 through 10. Try to do this at about 70 degrees F. 3. When rebuilding the motor I recheck the lengths of each stud and when it has stretched .001 beyond new I replace it as it is in failure. This will happen after several rebuilds, possible 5 or 6. The ARP spec is to replace after .0005, I just looked it up, but that is damn hard to measure with a caliper and I do not have a 12" micrometer. This is not F1 where they just get replaced after one race. 4. When installing I always use ARP lube and a good torque wrench. Quality fasteners are like a springs, they need to be stretched to work properly but there is a limit as to how many times this will happen with the fastener going back to it's original length. They will not hold proper toque when they start to fail. On a lightly stressed street motor this may not be so important, on a race motor the bang can cost thousands. All of the fasteners in an engine (the critical ones like head studs, rod bolts, main studs) are consumable items in a race motor. I also only install rod bolts with a stretch gauge. I find that the torque to proper stretch, say .005, will vary as much as 5 pounds per bolt. Each brand of rod bolt has a stretch spec for that specific bolt. That's my 2 cents on the subject. Good Racing All, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From john at linneyweb.com Mon Jan 20 23:45:53 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:45:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting In-Reply-To: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> References: <68c36d71-b455-4e4c-9bf5-f445227c53d5@Spark> Message-ID: <546D1C89-8159-4D1C-AC21-E3439A9669BB@linneyweb.com> Action cameras don?t have great dynamic range so as Duncan says, expose for outside. With the Hero 6 and later things got better. By using a Hero 7 Black or 8 Black and exposing for outside you will see quite a bit more detail of what?s going on in the shadows on the inside than with earlier cameras. Less expensive cameras save costs with cheap plastic lenses and sensors that don?t do well in challenging lighting conditions like what you are describing. -john > On Jan 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote: > > ? > I don?t think anyone replied yet about the question regarding whether lighting will be off if the car is mounted inside the car. You can alter the light metering from the ?averaging? setting that adjusts for the entire field of view or you can select spot metering, which will bias the exposure for what?s in the center of the field of view. In an enclosed sedan I mount the camera over my shoulder and use the spot metering setting, so what?s outside the car looks right, but if the interior is dark it may be harder to see the gauges or what?s going on in the footwell. > > I?ve usually mounted my ancient GoPro to the roll bar but I?m going to try one of the adhesive mounts that came with the clear plastic case ? but only because it?s inside the car, so if it falls it won?t end up on the track. I recall entering the track access road from the grid and a suction-cup mounted GoPro on an MGB ahead of me fell off and landed right in the middle of the road. A friend asked if I wanted to borrow his GoPro so I could get a rear view at CotA while my camera filmed the front. He had a large suction cup (at least 4? across) but after he attached it to the inside of the side window behind my seat I heard it fall to the floor. I had used Rain-X (the type for use inside to prevent fogging, which it really doesn?t do very well) and the mega suction cup refused to stick for more than a couple of minutes. > > Part of my routine is to click on the camera when we get the 3 minute warning, just before starting the engine up again. Remembering to click it off is a different matter. > > Duncan >> On Jan 19, 2020, 4:40 PM -0600, Stephen Jones via Fot , wrote: >> Hi Scott. >> >> You might check out the pre-owned GoPro's on eBay. I recently bought a Hero 4, 3 camera bundle with water/dust cases, numerous mounting bits, 2 port battery charger, eight batteries, USB cables, plus carry cases for $202 with free shipping. All I had to purchase were the SD cards. I recommend 64G which the H4's will accommodate. The only down side is that there is no rear viewing screen on the 4's. Minor inconvenience if you are on a limited budget. As mentioned by John Linney, a Hero 5 is a better choice, but the 4's were to good of a deal too pass up. All cameras checked out fine. >> >> As Jason mentioned, hard wire the cameras to the ignition/power switch and the camera will begin recording. >> >> For exposure, I just set it on "auto" with very good results. >> >> Per mounting. I prefer not to use the GoPro plastic mounting hardware. It is fine for "pedestrian" use, but in a race car not so reliable with all the vibration and variable momentum changes. My suggestion is to fabricate a mount from aluminum or other sturdier material. Additionally, a second "clamp" and mount point on the camera body (triangulate) helps keep the camera steady from vibrations. If mounting outside the car, a safety wire is suggested, and may be required. >> >> Hope this was helpful. >> >> Stephen Jones >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Jason Sukey via Fot" >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:42 AM >> To: "Scott Janzen" , "FOT list" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Go Pro Mounting >> >> Hi Scott, >> I use one of the cheapo cameras in my gt6, mounted from the rear roll hoop. It does a much better job catching me flail around behind the wheel than catching action out on track. I'm watching this email thread with interest. >> >> One thing I did that makes life easier is to power the camera from a USB port wired to the car. No more worrying about charging the camera battery. The camera powers up as soon as I flip the kill switch, all I have to do is press record on the remote. >> https://youtu.be/yV0W_PxHy_Q >> >> Jason >> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> I?ve been thinking about buying one of these for a while, and John?s email got me to look at the website. >> GoPro is running a deal on the Hero 8 - marked down $50 to $350, ands offering another $100 off with the trade in of a digital camera. They said they will take my wife?s no-longer-used 7 year old Panasonic point and shoot, so I?m down to $250. Pretty good, though I assume this means they make these things for way less than $100. >> >> Here?s the question - Most of the footage I see is from open cars - my GT6 is closed, and does not have a roll cage hoop around the windshield. I?m assuming - maybe wrong - that if I mount it back on the roll bar, the video frame will include a lot of the inside of the tin top, and I?m also wondering if the dark/light contrast will make it difficult for the device to determine what ?exposure? to shoot for. >> >> Dash mount?, windshield suction cup? rain gutter clamp? >> >> Anyone have experience with this with closed cars? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 5:44 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote: >> >> You inspired me to get off my butt and write up a blog post covering camera choice. There will be more on the settings, mounts and creative options to come. For now here it is on choosing a camera. >> >> https://www.classicmotorfilms.com/post/choosing-an-on-car-camera >> >> For those looking to upgrade - GoPro is running a $100 trade-in promotion on their top cameras - that will last you years. It brings the Hero 8 Black down to $300, or the Hero 7 Black down to $279. >> >> -john >> >>> >>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Brian Schirano wrote: >>> >>> Well.... THAT was a helpful article and explanation, I take quite a bit of comfort that it isn't me, it's THEM, them GoPro people and they have a reason! >>> >>> Thanks John and others, the only thing I guess is I need to download a stitching app and away I (we) go >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:08 PM John Linney wrote: >>> Older GoPros have a maximum file size of 4GB to retain compatibility with older computers being able to read the SD cards. It?s not such a bad thing if your camera fails or the battery dies unexpectedly. At least you have some footage already recorded. This article goes into more detail... https://www.google.com/amp/s/havecamerawilltravel.com/gopro/gopro-split-video-files/amp/ >>> >>> I?ll be at Mid Ohio with a bunch of GoPros. Generally speaking, you should think about upgrading if your GoPro is prior to a Hero 5 Black. You will be stunned with the improvement in image quality, stabilization and even audio quality. >>> >>> I?ll be putting together an edit of the race. Last years edit used whatever footage I could get so you will see a vast disparity in quality. The TR250K had the most up to date GoPros and you can really tell. >>> >>> The race... https://youtu.be/iLo1u5ZjNmI >>> TR250K... https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A (a great example of GoPro audio in the racing shots if you have a mic shielded from the wind). >>> >>> I?ll be putting together recommendations on which camera(s) will work best. I?m also planning on evaluating some 360 degree cameras which will make for some truly awesome creative possibilities, (just a pain to edit). >>> >>> -john >>> >>> John Linney >>> https://classicmotorfilms.com >>> 408 887 8105 >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian, my Go Pro hero-2 splits up a session into roughly 2 MB files. I believe it related to file system limits. I use some free software, RaceRender, http://racerender.com/RR3/Download.html to join and edit them into one movie. The free version does all of that but has their logo embedded in the final picture. I bought a lifetime licence for something like $50 that allows you to remove the logo and do other stuff, like integrate multiple cameras and data from their smart phone app. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing the free Windows Movie Maker program can be used to join them as well, I just find it's slower and the output file is large. >>>> A short clip using the software to integrate front and rear cameras https://youtu.be/fpYS2zc6-xk >>>> >>>> mike h >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:20 AM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>>> Yes... The Hero cards are very cool >>>> >>>> Hmmmm.... an Expert with a GoPro Shawn? I need some help (and I've heard others have the same problem). I have a Hero Black and..... when I remember to turn it ON, somewhere mid race, sometimes twice, it stops then restarts. I end up with multiple files from a 20 or so minute session. I've fiddled with settings but really don't know what I'm doing, just what I can learn from the manual. >>>> >>>> Suggestions? >>>> >>>> See you there >>>> Thanks >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:11 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>> I won't touch that one... :-) >>>> >>>> I am really wanting to get a full set of cards signed by everyone if I could. >>>> >>>> May be difficult this year as I'm expecting a full crew of 3 of us again, maybe more and I suspect some of you have seen me at full sprint most of the weekend. >>>> >>>> I'll have my 2 Nikons blazing away and 3 GoPros that may need a ride... we'll do some Facebook Live video, race updates on North American Triumphs Facebook page, VTR's page and of course The Vintage Triumph Magazine coverage. I'm working on expanding to other publications. More on that soon. >>>> >>>> This is getting exciting. >>>> >>>> See you all there!!! >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT-6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR-4A "Johnny" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brian Schirano >>>> 585-305-0349 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Schirano >>> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 24 13:43:48 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:43:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <24fc7749-751d-0ffa-d988-16c0348e6858@bradakis.com> Great, thanks for refreshing my memory.? I sort of remember hearing about this car from a fellow named Sean Green, from the Seattle area, who autocrossed a TR6.? Sean's car spent several hours in my shop one Saturday night getting some work done so he could make a run on Sunday at a divisional SCCA event out at Wendover.? What a night that was. Really looking forward to this year's Cup event, can hardly wait! mjb. From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Fri Jan 24 13:45:54 2020 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I have one. A trumpet with trumpets Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? > > mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Jan 24 13:48:33 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:48:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> 6/19 6/26 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken wrote: > > ?What are the dates > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> >> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com >> >> From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 13:49:59 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 14:49:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5F03D16C-381E-403F-AEA3-50644ED0EE83@gmail.com> Kreger. Kastner Cup Recipient. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 24, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? > > mjb. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 14:09:49 2020 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 16:09:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> References: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I signed up for both but I need to make it through the Wild Hare and Jefferson 500 first. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 3:51 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > 6/19 6/26 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken > wrote: > > > > ?What are the dates > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport > Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you > have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Irv Korey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 932486 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Fri Jan 24 15:41:11 2020 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 22:41:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> References: , , <0265D8AB-2994-4E2B-9BE6-5E68DFD8DEB6@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Thanks a couple of ole tracks I haunted as young buck. Tow from Washington nice to get a couple of birds with one stone Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2020, at 12:48 PM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > ?6/19 6/26 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Gerken wrote: >> >> ?What are the dates >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?A note for those coming from far away, the VARAC event at Mosport Canada is the weekend before Mid Ohio. From personal experience if you have the time making both events in two weeks is great fun. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff.gerken at hotmail.com >>> >>> From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jan 24 16:34:27 2020 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:34:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647> References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> , <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Hasn?t every one who?s Quick ? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: Didn?t he blow the engine at Watkins Glen? JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. Irv Korey ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. Irv Korey ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 24 17:25:03 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 19:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? In-Reply-To: References: <673766a4-c0e0-5409-8e61-10c6d8ff08e0@bradakis.com> , <2CA7076EB36D4906AC7867513B9B1950@VlackTK121647>, Message-ID: That car was impressively fast, great preparation and excellent driver. Does he still race the car? Maybe it was an overheating issue at WG, I just know I was disappointed that he pulled off and we didn?t get to see him perform again. I also recall running into him at the airport on our way home from Hallet. Nice guy and good conversation. JVV From: marty Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: Irv Korey ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? And even some of us who aren't. ? Marty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fot on behalf of Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:34 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Irv Korey ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? Hasn?t every one who?s Quick ? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Didn?t he blow the engine at Watkins Glen? JVV From: Irv Korey via Fot Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:36 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CP TR6 fuelie? On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Some years ago there was a fellow whose name I've forgotten that raced a TR6. Maybe Hallet (2006?) was the last time I saw it, can't remember. Very clean, well done petrol injected car. Anyone remember? White TR6, from the Pacific Northwest I think. Tom Kreger. He was awarded the Kastner Cup at Hallett in 2006. 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It is in 3 parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lSeDS9KxIAc/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3 This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa... www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lqlo9yWEeCU/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 2 of 3 This is the second of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This w... www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OIbN3zTQw1c/hqdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 3 of 3 This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa... www.youtube.com Also Triumphs on the false grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pE5eLoFHf6Y/maxresdefault.jpg] 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false grid This video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged... www.youtube.com YoursinTriumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Jan 26 19:43:04 2020 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links References: <1439072912.772582.1580092984231.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1439072912.772582.1580092984231@mail.yahoo.com> Remember it well. Brings back warm memories. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, January 26, 2020,?Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot??wrote: #yiv5344612212 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} From: Styduhar, Daniel Lee Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent?I have uploaded to Youtube video from the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix which was taken of the Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tentand some video of Triumphs staged in the false grid. These links should get you there. It is in 3 parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...www.youtube.com | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 2 of 3This is the second of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This w...www.youtube.com | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 3 of 3This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...www.youtube.com | Also Triumphs on the false grid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y | | 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false gridThis video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged...www.youtube.com | YoursinTriumph _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Jan 26 21:12:49 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d5d4c8$0a72efb0$1f58cf10$@cox.net> I have Bill Thummel's BRG nr 17. No engine or gearbox. I am considering whether to bring it back to a street car or sell/trade it for a street TR3. It looks very solid with no rust and I have a straight frame sandblasted and painted if I wanted to go for a total rebuild. I will let you all know which direction I will go in the Spring (when I get back from FL). Does anyone have a solid street TR3 they might be willing to trade plus or minus? I will have a race engine with zero hours and an overdrive gearbox in the Spring. My email is hankgiffin at cox.net. Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 From: Fot On Behalf Of Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing Mike Jackson in number 62 TR3 and Bill Thumel in number17 TR3 in close racing at 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. This is the Youtube link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZa6r8sklgE 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Mike Jackson and Bill Thumel in close racing Mike Jackson in number 62 TR3 and Bill Thumel in number17 TR3 in close racing at 1994 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix www.youtube.com YoursinTriumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1158 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 09:47:46 2020 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:47:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 at a race meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is the first TR-4 to be raced in the USA. It was owned an driven by Charlie gates and prepared by Kas Kastner in the new Competition Department. Many many many racing parts were developed on this car including camshafts, push rods, valve springs, brake pads, clutch disc, head gaskets, pistons, wheels and on & on. That era was when the regulations for racing were very very tight. I suspect that is about 1962-63 *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:24 AM trguru at btinternet.com wrote: > > A car that will be rather familiar to one of you > > > > yours David > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 27 10:14:16 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Stuff - Unloading References: <1559671314.20551214.1580145258583.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1559671314.20551214.1580145258583@mail.yahoo.com> I hope I'm not bothering anyone with this stuff, but I actually have been able to get rid of some of the stuff I have turned up in my recent "shop clearing" activities.? I've attached a few pictures.? The first 2 are of a bunch of TR-2, 3, and 4 front suspension steering stop locks.? The 4 at the top are taller than the rest (may be for the TR-4A?).? They measure .555" tall, while all the others (standard tor TR-2, 3 & 4?) measure .320" tall.? As indicated in the latest Moss catalog, Page 41, these are part number 661-500, and they are listed as NLA.? I suspect they are NLA because they seldom go bad - i.e. not a high wear item.? Only problem is they might get lost.? Anyway, I have ended up with a bunch of them, which I would be happy to get rid of.? Make me an offer of something to cover shipping and my time, and let me know how many you want. The third picture is of some old wheel studs.? These are left over from my race car days.? They are all new, bought, but never got used.? The 9 along the bottom are 3" long by 1/2" diameter.? These are Moroso studs, which I used on all 4 corners of my car.? The ones at the top are samples of other studs that I have.? I have 10 of the ones on the left, and 14 of the ones on the right.? The left ones are 2 1/2" long by 1/2" diameter.? I used these when I was using a unique hub/spacer combination that needed a long knurled area under the head.? These all have a 1" knurled area under the head.? The ones on the right are the same, except they are 3" long. I also have about 35 miscellaneous studs (not pictured) of shorter lengths (between 1" and 2") with different heads.? 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Many many many racing parts were developed on this car > including camshafts, push rods, valve springs, brake pads, clutch disc, > head gaskets, pistons, wheels and on & on. That era was when the > regulations for racing were very very tight. I suspect that is about 1962-63 > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:24 AM trguru at btinternet.com < > trguru at btinternet.com> wrote: > >> >> A car that will be rather familiar to one of you >> >> >> >> yours David >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 28 14:34:56 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Message-ID: I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn?t seem right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m guessing the instructions don?t vary much. Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:01:32 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. Jason On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a > *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a > sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn?t seem > right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m > guessing the instructions don?t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Jan 28 18:50:24 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:50:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <601D553B-A727-4E9F-B472-924EA5571C90@icloud.com> Same here but in my case for big TRs. Also recheck the preload after a very brief break-in period. Sometimes things settle in and I have heard of loss of preload. If you have never done it, the preload can seem like a very stiff bearing setup. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Scott, > Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. > > Jason > >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a >> 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! >> >> Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn?t seem right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, >> which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All testing is performed with the seal removed. >> >> Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. >> >> Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m guessing the instructions don?t vary much. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 20:03:38 2020 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have a digital torque wrench check it, there may be an option. Not long ago I found inch pounds option on the one I borrowed On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 5:01 PM Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > Hi Scott, > Instead of the bar and weight method, I have a 0-30 in*lbs dial > type torque wrench I use. For the spitfire/GT6 diffs, I use the book > preload spec you are using (no seal/new bearings). The only "trick" I've > noticed, the static friction (break free) torque is always a bit higher, I > measure the actual torque to rotate once moving. > > Jason > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: > >> I?m rebuilding my differential. The manual says the pinion bearings >> should be assembled with spacers to yield a >> *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a >> sliding weight. Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! >> >> Either I?m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn?t seem >> right. I?m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, >> which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12? lever. All >> testing is performed with the seal removed. >> >> Even if I am correct, I?ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load >> right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. >> >> Anyone have any experience with this? This is a GT6 diff, but I?m >> guessing the instructions don?t vary much. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 28 20:06:57 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:06:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a > _12-16 lb/inch pre-load,_ using a bar affixed to the input flange and > a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs _per_ inch doesn???t seem > right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m > guessing the instructions don???t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jan 29 06:13:48 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:13:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> References: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 29 06:21:16 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:21:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <0b35633b-6b00-ee7d-720c-506bf22f24f2@verizon.net> <2072622471.2416750.1580303628136.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8EF175F7-F107-4DC4-956C-52F65FC2AF82@me.com> Looking at the bearings I am replacing, there is evidence of slight uneven loading in the wear pattern. A pinion shaft is in a constant position of being forced to try to move out of alignment, over a very short axis. Think of it as attempting to climb out of the ring gear on every rotation. I?m sure the preload is to try to keep it in place with more equal wear on the bearings. On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:13 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jan 29 07:15:11 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads.Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss.Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 07:39:45 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:39:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > Does someone know why that preload is necessary? > > Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion > wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. > Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further > wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost > and then they'll wear. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Bill Tobin > Cc: fot > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a > differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at > all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. > Marcel. > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a > socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how > much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque > wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either > add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and > thinner to increase I think. > With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and > measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over > tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I > know this!) > Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older > beam type. > Hope this helps. > Cheers Bill > On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings > should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? > *12-16 lb/inch pre-load,* using a bar affixed to the input flange and a > sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! > > Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs *per* inch doesn???t > seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, > which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All > testing is performed with the seal removed. > > Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load > right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. > > Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m > guessing the instructions don???t vary much. > > Thanks, > Scott > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Jan 29 10:26:15 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:26:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1960521941.3579594.1580318775593.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Glen, Thanks , that's a clear and sensible explanation! Marcel Van: "fubog1" Aan: "van mulders marcel" , "Bill Tobin" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 15:15:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch. with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 29 11:02:55 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of? preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other.? Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads.Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear.Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss.Marcel. Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 02:11:38 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:11:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch. with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Bill Tobin < [ mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net | william.tobin31 at verizon.net ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 02:16:08 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 02:16:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the > stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You > preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for > the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during > their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the > bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in > lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension > on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots > wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. > The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers > and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of? preload is required is > that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To > tight and the components slide over each other.? Too loose and they > cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a > lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Jan 30 02:22:13 2020 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:22:13 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: You need clearance/end float in wheel hubs with tapered roller bearings to accommodate thermal expansion from heat generation in the braking system. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 8:12 PM To: barry rosenberg Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. _____ Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 02:46:48 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:46:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1802893470.6548546.1580377608916.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Peter, I agree but the same can be said about the differential bearings : the differential can get very hot too! I would rather stay with the explanation of Glen. B.t.w. : as the pinion is stretching, probably the preload will not cause friction loss at all when the differential is UNDER LOAD (accelerator pedal to the floor). Whatever the reason , you all have made it clear that the preload is necessary. Marcel Van: "Peter Vucinic" Aan: "van mulders marcel" , "barry rosenberg" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:22:13 Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] Differential Pre-load You need clearance/end float in wheel hubs with tapered roller bearings to accommodate thermal expansion from heat generation in the braking system. "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://www.team.net/archive | http://www.team.net/archive ] Forums: [ http://www.team.net/forums | http://www.team.net/forums ] From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 8:12 PM To: barry rosenberg Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:15 AM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Does someone know why that preload is necessary? Yes it's basically because things want to move around a lot & the pinion wants to stretch.with torque on/off loads. Over time as the bearings wear, the preload will be lost, and any further wear will cause the gears to be out of mesh and the pattern will be lost and then they'll wear. Glen -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Bill Tobin < [ mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net | william.tobin31 at verizon.net ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 8:14 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Does someone know why that preload is necessary? When I check a differential before using it and I notice there is almost no preload at all, I tend to be lazy, assuming no preload means less friction loss. Marcel. Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 04:06:57 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Hi Scott I think that's the torque required to turn the pinion. Put a socket to fit the pinion nut on a?? inch pound torque wrench; measure how much torque it takes to turn the pinion. Get it turning and read the torque wrench while turning it. 12 to 15 inch pounds sounds ok. With shims either add or remove shims to get the correct preload. Thicker to lessen and thinner to increase I think. With a collapsible spacer it's easier. Keep?? tightening the nut and measuring the preload until it's right. Small increments. If you over tighten you take it apart and start over with a new spacer. (Ask me how I know this!) Also a "clicker" torque wrench isn't the ticket for this. Use an older beam type. Hope this helps. Cheers Bill On 1/28/2020 4:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I???m rebuilding my differential. ??The manual says the pinion bearings should be assembled with spacers to yield a?? 12-16 lb/inch pre-load, using a bar affixed to the input flange and a sliding weight. ??Of course there is a churchhill tool for that! Either I???m not grasping the concept, or 12 lbs per inch doesn???t seem right. ??I???m guessing this is supposed to be 12 inch-pounds, which I think means a one pound weight at the end of a 12??? lever. ??All testing is performed with the seal removed. Even if I am correct, I???ve got it set up with about a 1/2 lb pre-load right now, and that feels pretty stiff already. Anyone have any experience with this? ??This is a GT6 diff, but I???m guessing the instructions don???t vary much. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 03:08:14 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:08:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> TeriAnn, Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn BQ_BEGIN Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fubog1" [ mailto:fubog1 at aol.com | ] , "Bob Kramer" [ mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britcars at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 30 03:43:14 2020 From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rick Cline Cams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1803263865.149180.1580380994272@mail.yahoo.com> Ric Cline Sr. and Jr. live in Shady Dale, Ga. He is on Facebook. Ask him. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 02:39:34 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: I am getting ready to assemble an engine to replace the one I done blowed up proper at Watkins Glen. I have in my possession 3 Rick Cline Spitfire cams. a 293-5, a 293-7, and a 290-7. I am not the original purchaser of said cams and am looking for some guidance. Anybody have any knowledge of these cams and what would be their proper application engine build wise? Thanks.Marty?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 04:59:14 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 05:59:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. That would not be fun. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. > Marcel > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. > TeriAnn > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "fot" > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Jan 30 05:50:40 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:50:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hallo Bob, the stub axle and bearings were discoloured by the heat and the stub axle was literally broken off, I don't remember anymore where. I suppose the inside threaded part was broken off. The inspector at the MOT obviously didn't know that these wheel bearings should have some free play, contrary to modern cars. My friend felt unsure about it and he didn't argue with the MOT inspector. He also did not undo the tightening when he had left the MOT station Marcel. Van: "Bob Kramer" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 12:59:14 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. That would not be fun. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN TeriAnn, Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? Marcel BQ_END Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. TeriAnn BQ_BEGIN Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fubog1" [ mailto:fubog1 at aol.com | ] , "Bob Kramer" [ mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. Barry On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. Bob Kramer BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com BQ_END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 05:54:41 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 06:54:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Same answer as the diff. Too tight and the rollers are pressed too hard against the race, causing one radii edge of the roller bearing to slide continuously over the race. Too loose and the rollers are not kept in alignment and can and will roll at an angle (cocked) and wear quickly, eventually locking in a cocked position prior to catastrophic failure. Set them up right and there is mild tension on both the outer and inner rollers, friction causes them to roll over the race surface and Bob's your uncle. Bob Kramer On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:16 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub > axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they > quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a > bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated > (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There > does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or > the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt > the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the > outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down > a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the > rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that > it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and > the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. > Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't > spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 06:02:14 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 07:02:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1008337672.7423118.1580388640265.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Makes sense. If the tech assumed it was a modern style bearing, he would lock it down. Shame, shame. Since I never work on my street cars (who has time) I only about the newer styles when a wheel bearing failed on my daughters Escort ZX2 and daddy was called in to help! I learned then that the tapered bearings I was familiar with were completely different than the modern cage assemblies we see on American vehicles. Those do get swapped and locked in place. [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:50 AM wrote: > Hallo Bob, the stub axle and bearings were discoloured by the heat and the > stub axle was literally broken off, I don't remember anymore where. I > suppose the inside threaded part was broken off. > The inspector at the MOT obviously didn't know that these wheel bearings > should have some free play, contrary to modern cars. My friend felt unsure > about it and he didn't argue with the MOT inspector. He also did not undo > the tightening when he had left the MOT station > Marcel. > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"Bob Kramer" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Cc: *"TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "fot" < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 januari 2020 12:59:14 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Only a post mortem on the parts could tell for sure, but it is fun to > speculate. If we take the inspector at his word and the wheel bearing was > ?loose?, the question of why that condition existed should have been > answered before tightening down the hub. Either bearing could have already > sustained damage from misalignment and bringing damaged and scarred rollers > back to spec could quickly result in overheating and terminal failure. > That would not be fun. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:08 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. > There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened > these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke > off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : > besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be > repaired. > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the > prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub > axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > Marcel > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they > quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fubog1" , "Bob Kramer" > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a > bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated > (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There > does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or > the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt > the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the > outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down > a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the > rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to > survive. Preload makes them do that. > > Barry > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that > it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and > the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. > Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't > spin fails. > > Bob Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example if the OEM tire is a 165r14 then the diameter is: D = (165?.8?2)/25.4 + 14 The radius is: R = D/2? The circumference is: C = 2xRx3.14159 ? ?This is the tire circumfrence, in inches, for which your speedometer is calibrated. If you want to keep that calibration, just reverse the equations above and start poking in numbers from available sizes. I do this in an Excel spreadsheet. WAY easier.? ?Just remember to include the new tire's aspect ratio. Old, unlabeled radials have an aspect ratio of about 0.8, as used above. Rick On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 12:11 AM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: Well, I screwed up.? Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas tires at a great price.? Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999.? Wow!? The size on the tire was 165R15.? Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch tires.? Crap.? Now I have to try to take them back.? They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them.? My question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel rim?? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price.? A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off.? 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter.? My head is about explode. 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Message-ID: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 30 08:09:16 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 30 08:17:56 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08D56AFE-879A-4294-AF2A-641DF80C0E16@me.com> we could certainly combine it with most VRG events on the east coast. They would be delighted to have us again. On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 08:59:26 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:59:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SVRA seems to be treating us well, maybe another event with them. COTA in November or Portland in July? mike h On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:40 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant > Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 30 09:18:19 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:18:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Differential Pre-load In-Reply-To: <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1380917828.692320.1580307311471.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1380917828.692320.1580307311471@mail.yahoo.com> <1272871833.835628.1580320975043@mail.yahoo.com> <1663705529.6361055.1580375498550.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <11533b2c-9af7-48ff-f533-93dc0826eea0@gmail.com> <1883458790.6650892.1580378894276.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1674895994.473896.1580401099526@connect.xfinity.com> After I moved to California from Cleveland in 1984, I later made the trip back to Cleveland to bring my '63 Galaxie to California. The Galaxie had been not been used for a little while, so I renewed all the brake hydraulics and serviced the front wheel bearings, before I made the drive to CA with my brother Pat. Somewhere north of Nashville with Pat behind the wheel, I smelled burning rubber. I thought we must have been driving through an industrial area. A short time later, something broke and one front corner of the car dropped a little. I told my brother not to make any sudden moves, ease on the brakes and very carefully pull off the next exit, which was in close view. The exit ramp was gently curved and a quick-stop was near by. We carefully pulled into a parking spot and the front corner was smoking. I had a floor jack and tools in the trunk. I took out the floor jack and raised the corner. The wheel just fell off. The bearing had welded itself to the spindle axle and of course it snapped. We were very lucky that the wheel had stayed on. The brake drum kept it in place. We were stranded at a repair shop for a couple days while a replacement spindle was pulled off a '61 Country Squire in a scrap yard. I think I still have the welded bearing and axle somewhere. I hadn't set enough free-play. Live and learn. I still have the Galaxie and it gets lots of care and my brother Tom uses it quite often for pleasure and shows. Tom and I bought the car together as our first car in '79. It gets more attention than my TR in the paddock at the Rolex Reunion. It was my first restoration project when I was 17. Photo attached. Dave H. > On January 30, 2020 at 2:08 AM "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" wrote: > > > TeriAnn, > Some years ago, a friend of mine took his freshly restored TR4 to the MOT. There he was told he had to adjust the front wheel bearings. He tightened these there and then to pass the MOT and on the way home a stub axle broke off because the bearing had seized, luckily without too much damage : besides the stub axle and brake caliper bracket, a wing had to be repaired. > Marcel > > --------------------------------------------- > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Donderdag 30 januari 2020 10:16:08 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > On 1/30/20 2:11 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Barry, if that is true about the rollers/races, how do you explain the prescripion about the front wheel bearings : you need to back off the stub axle nut to get some play for the bearings? > > Marcel > > > > > Likewise with Series Land Rover wheel bearings. Leave them tight and they quickly die. > TeriAnn > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Van: "fot" mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > Aan: "fubog1" mailto:fubog1 at aol.com , "Bob Kramer" mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com > > Cc: "fot" mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > Verzonden: Woensdag 29 januari 2020 19:02:55 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Differential Pre-load > > > > Preload is more for the life of the bearings than the gears. You preload a bearing to take up manufacturing tolerances and account for the anticipated (by the manufacturer of the bearings) wear during their life time. There does need to be some 'squeeze" between the bearing races and the rollers or the rollers will not roll in lubrication. If any of you have ever rebuilt the rear outer suspension on old XKEs, the tapers roller bearing in the outer wishbone pivots wear out because the wishbone only moves up and down a few degrees. The tapered roller bearings never fully rotate and cause the rollers and race to pit. Roller bearing must roll 360 degrees around to survive. Preload makes them do that. > > > > Barry > > > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 09:41:34 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > > > I think the main reason a specified amount of preload is required is that it sets it up so that the bearings roll under mild tension. To tight and the components slide over each other. Too loose and they cock in place. Without rolling, bearings will soon fail the same way a lifter that doesn't spin fails. > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know > the kits haven't been available from Moss for a while, but I'm wondering if > there's any rumors that they might become available again or if anyone in > the UK / Europe has a kit now. A supercharger would be perfect for this > dude because the engine is a bone stock late engine ('74) with the fairly > low compression ratio. > > Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > Bob Lang > 339-927-4489 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 30 12:35:49 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Supercharger Query In-Reply-To: References: <410241653.299192.1580405858050.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <410241653.299192.1580405858050@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <943456596.340076.1580412949151@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - yes, I understand and now directly about increasing compression... I'm just sorting out options for a new friend. When I told him an engine build with increased compression and everything, he just about passed out. Then he asked if there are other options. He is not a do-it-yourself person or a fabricator - so this needs to be soup to nuts or bolt on. Else, we have him save $$$ and then build him a really sweet street engine. The thing that is kool about modern superchargers is that they are bypassed until you stand on it, so very little parasitic loss when you are cruising around. Heck, I got close to 40 MPG in my Saturn Ion Redline and that sucker did naught to 60 in around 6 seconds and I had many slips of 13.9 seconds and 104 MPH at the nearest drag strip. Regarding turning the engine beyond 6k RPM, hopefully most of here are more than aware of the dangers there. Regards,Bob Lang On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 12:49:34 PM EST, robert bownes wrote: You want compression, I have a head with 0.250" taken off of it. Works great. Just don't put cheap gas in it!!! :) On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: Hi, I got a request from an acquaintance regarding supercharging a TR6. I know the kits haven't been available from Moss for a while, but I'm wondering if there's any rumors that they might become available again or if anyone in the UK / Europe has a kit now. A supercharger would be perfect for this dude because the engine is a bone stock late engine ('74) with the fairly low compression ratio. Thanks in advance! Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Thu Jan 30 21:18:38 2020 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 23:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? Message-ID: <013201d5d7ed$85fc1990$91f44cb0$@cox.net> I?m on the VDCA board with Mike. To further explain why the VIR race and the Jefferson 500 are listed in both groups schedules, we have an agreement that members from either group do not need to join the other group to race in either event. VRG runs the Jeff 500 and VDCA runs the VIR Wild Hare. Both groups offer significant track time for the buck. I echo Mike?s invite. We?d sure like to see the TRs back at VIR in 2021. Take care, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 From: Fot On Behalf Of Mike Jackson via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:38 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph ; Joe Alexander Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? The VIR race is a VDCA gig. We would be happy to have the TRiumph gang back again any time. Legendary track that looks like a state park that happens to have a race track. Look forward to seeing everyone at MO in June. Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Jan 30, 2020 11:44 AM To: Scott Janzen , Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? VIR with VRG would be a great venue. From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:17 AM To: Joe Alexander Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? we could certainly combine it with most VRG events on the east coast. They would be delighted to have us again. On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: FOT: The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. 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URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 20:35:08 2020 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:35:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> References: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82CA6A85-23C1-4C89-BF0A-A1C737AD0236@gmail.com> That?s awesome brad! I need to go get a copy! 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