[Fot] Shop Safety Question and related...

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Sun Jan 17 09:55:45 MST 2021 

 Another point that should be mentioned re fire bottles, never, ever, trust a fire bottle w/a plastic neck.Like the wally-world 2 1/2 pounders; I don't know if they're still on the market, they're junk, unless much improved.They have a history of failure to go poof, while reading in the green.I had one real-world failure & there have been many reports of the same.
Glen Efinger
 
 
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From: Ernest Husmann via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>; Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2021 10:56 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question

 Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable.

First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires.

All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers.
Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher.
First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well.

One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount.
   On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution.

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On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I’m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn’t be doing. From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question I’ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don’t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it’s a ‘67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I’m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I’ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn’t have to grind...👍)  Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY

On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



 Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil

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On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


 
    Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.     Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims.    Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better.    The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course.    And a phone to call for help. :)     
 
On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


 
  Paul,  Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop.   The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting.    He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups.   I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely.   I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage.     When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible.   Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items!   Jason    On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
FOT,

I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.  As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments.

We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.  It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.  However, safety equipment is not always as fun.  Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.  While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.  Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places.

Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.  Including:

1.  Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind
2.  High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.  Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.  Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.  However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly.
3.  Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered
4.  Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks
5.  New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines)

Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.  Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas.

Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety?

Paul Ricco
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