[Fot] TR3 frame color question

Jim Shaw jshawtr2 at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 27 11:39:36 MST 2021 

 
Best pic of color right side of frame.jim    On Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:03:50 PM EST, Jim Shaw via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored. Jim

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On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




Could be just excess paint crossed shared? 

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On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use?

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From: "BILL" 
To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye"
Cc: "FOT Triumph"
Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question

I have been researching this rare  event were frames werepainted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. Ihave personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, HenryWebster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters tome, that all the frames were painted chassis black. Over the years I have confirmed that there werevery rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint (Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented,now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added tothe list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part (the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One otherstrange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paintwere not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with PowderBlue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Notexactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up isunknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, asthe frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready forassembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembledand painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the sameassembly plant? 
The above was documented from original owner cars,highly original cars that had fully documented history and originalcars that when separating the body from the frame for the firsttime, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouchedfrom the factory. If you are restoring a car in this categorydocument your findings for future reference is highlyrecommended. 
I do not think that all of them came about becauseof show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars duringassembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time periodor batch.
It did happen, how many, for what reason or why islost in history.
All the Best,
Bill RedingerVTR
-------- Original message --------From: Jim Shaw via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00)To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye<dlhogye at comcast.net>Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
The one under my 57 is signalred.Jim
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye viaFot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I’ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recallone had a red body. Dave H. 

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On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot<fot at autox.team.net>wrote:


When we were setting up originality guidelines forTRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some werepositive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paintgun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it .predominately they were Black 
Tom



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From: "Tony Sheach via Fot"
To: "Henry A. Morrison"
Cc: "FOT Triumph"
Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question

Hi all
Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC.
Cars had three ‘standards’ of prep it seems and the recordsshow ‘A/A’, ‘A/B’, ‘A/C’ etc but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a’s and awhite rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course.
The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today.
Hope this is usefulTony 


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On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>wrote:

My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whitecar is white as well.............
Henry Morrison

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Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true.

But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassis, etc.

I encountered it when I was involved in a concours.

Joe Alexander
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> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot<fot at autox.team.net>wrote:
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> I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack?   I say black only.
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> ~Steve
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