From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 09:41:51 2026
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:41:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tire Rules for 2026 Kastner Cup - Return to Mosport
In-Reply-To: <0e86342a3f16e9a789cedfade268a763@tr4racer.com>
References: <0e86342a3f16e9a789cedfade268a763@tr4racer.com>
Message-ID: <98EA882D-5B23-4FAF-8057-2ACC2CB69DC4@gmail.com>

Hi Henry,

Will the track allow us to leave our stuff at the track so we can hook up and leave on Monday?

Chuck

> On Dec 31, 2025, at 11:43?AM, Henry Frye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I just got word from the race director of VARAC regarding acceptable tires for the 24th running for the Kastner Cup.
> 
> "We allow cars to run as prepped to satisfy their "home club" rules at the VGP.  If you allow slicks on vintage cars and it passes your tech, then we'll allow it."
> 
> Last reminder, when the ball drops tonight in Times Square, the early bird registration opportunity closes! Why don't you join the 33 Triumph racers who have already taken advantage!
> 
> www.msreg.com/2026-VARAC-VGP
> 
> Henry Frye
> KCup chair - Return to Mosport
> 860.508.3118(c)
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Jan  1 09:53:11 2026
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2026 11:53:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tire Rules for 2026 Kastner Cup - Return to Mosport
In-Reply-To: <98EA882D-5B23-4FAF-8057-2ACC2CB69DC4@gmail.com>
References: <0e86342a3f16e9a789cedfade268a763@tr4racer.com>
 <98EA882D-5B23-4FAF-8057-2ACC2CB69DC4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e2db65eaf34880dafe019413fdceb48@tr4racer.com>

Chuck,

The track is happy to have racers spend Sunday night in the paddock to 
get a fresh start for the tow home. Several of us have been doing this 
for years.

Keep in ming the track is always rented out that following Monday, so as 
we are pulling out early Monday morning the next group is always 
filtering into the paddock. As long as you are planning on an early 
start Monday morning, you will be fine!

Henry Frye
KCup chair - Return to Mosport
860.508.3118(c)

On 2026-01-01 11:41, Chuck Gee wrote:
> Hi Henry,
> 
> Will the track allow us to leave our stuff at the track so we can hook
> up and leave on Monday?
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2025, at 11:43?AM, Henry Frye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I just got word from the race director of VARAC regarding acceptable 
>> tires for the 24th running for the Kastner Cup.
>> 
>> "We allow cars to run as prepped to satisfy their "home club" rules at 
>> the VGP.  If you allow slicks on vintage cars and it passes your tech, 
>> then we'll allow it."
>> 
>> Last reminder, when the ball drops tonight in Times Square, the early 
>> bird registration opportunity closes! Why don't you join the 33 
>> Triumph racers who have already taken advantage!
>> 
>> www.msreg.com/2026-VARAC-VGP

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Jan  1 11:08:38 2026
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2026 13:08:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Early registration for the 2026 Kastner Cup has closed,
 but oh my...
Message-ID: <2cff7b709c82410bad5097627250192a@tr4racer.com>

There has been a whirlwind of activity on the 2026 Kastner Cup - Return 
to Mosport. With early registration closing, several of our racers got 
in under the wire for the discount. The entry list to date is quite 
impressive. We have 40 drivers signed up bringing 42 Triumphs to the 
event. Thanks to Mike Deweerd and Bryan Brazelton for signing up two 
cars each!

Those of us who are regulars at the VARAC Vintage Grand Prix are well 
aware of Rocco Marciello, he is a VARAC regular and drives a wicked fast 
TR7 coupe. As the motivation under the bonnet comes from a Chevrolet V8, 
he isn't eligible to run for the Kastner Cup, but he will be 
participating with us. Stay tuned for details!

Many thanks to all who signed up early. Those who waited will not get 
the benefit of the C$100 discount, but you are still doing us all a 
favor by entering now. It greatly helps in planning.

Here's where we stand on entries:

Kastner Cup 2026 - entries as of 1/1/2026

1	Vic Schuster	Ambro
2	Brendan Alexander	Ambro
3	John Frymark	GT6
4	John Dolan	GT6
5	Jason Sukey	GT6
6	Scott Janzen	GT6
7	Stewart Wigg	GT6
8	Tom Reiss	GT6
9	Brian Schirano	GT6
10	Rod Pierce	Spitfire
11	Dave Cutter	Spitfire
12	Mike Harmuth	Spitfire
13	Kallie Sukey	Spitfire
14	Marty Sukey	Spitfire
15	Tim Slater	Spitfire
16	Mat Huovinen	Spitfire
17	Henry Frye	TR250
18	John Styduhar	TR3
19	Brian Brazelton	TR3
20	Peter Dolan	TR3
21	Rick McCurdy	TR3
22	Mark Wheatley	TR4
23	Mike Moore	TR4
24	Dave Riddle	TR4
25	David Gott	TR4
26	Phil Gott	TR4
27	Tony Drews	TR4
28	Michael Deweerd	TR4
29	Greg Thompson	TR4
30	Sean Alexander	TR4
31	Chuck Gee	TR4A
32	Matt Molson	TR4A
33	Bob Lang	TR6
34	Bob Kramer	TR6
35	Mike Kurtz	TR6
36	Walt Hollowell	TR6
37	Jamie Horner	TR6
38	Alex Schlesinger	TR7
39	Brian Brazelton	TR8
40	Michael Deweerd	TR8
41	Tim Cook	TR8
42	Brian Dolan	Vitesse

	Rocco Marciello	TR7 coupe - Chevy V8 powered

I hope everyone had a fun and safe holiday season, but it's time to get 
back to work on the race cars!

Cheers

Henry Frye
KCup chair - Return to Mosport
860.508.3118(c)

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan  2 06:44:28 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2026 06:44:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chuck Gee
Message-ID: <5af9f21a-0894-4d5c-80fa-015da1aa66ed@bradakis.com>

When you get this Chuck, do a 'reply all' like you usually do, and I'll 
check the headers and see if I can spot any problems.

And everybody have a happy new year.

mjb.


From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 14:55:30 2026
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2026 16:55:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chuck Gee
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References: <5af9f21a-0894-4d5c-80fa-015da1aa66ed@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <2ACD445B-40B0-46CB-8D72-16F8F0602A39@gmail.com>

Thanks for checking on this Mark!

Chuck Gee

> On Jan 2, 2026, at 8:54?AM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?When you get this Chuck, do a 'reply all' like you usually do, and I'll check the headers and see if I can spot any problems.
> 
> And everybody have a happy new year.
> 
> mjb.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 19:04:11 2026
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:04:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
Message-ID: <SJ5PPF8C2F678BA0391B0C6C7D0F64AE106BAB9A@SJ5PPF8C2F678BA.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

A heads up if you are crossing at Buffalo and plan on taking the 407etr toll road. If you are over 11000 pounds (5000kg) you must have a 407etr transponder. My first trip with the MH and trailer I saw the signs but just assumed that was for commercial vehicles. I assumed wrong.  I about crapped when I got the bill in the mail. In addition to the tolls, that weren't cheap, there was $150 in camera fees.  I use the 407etr each year to Mosport and like it. But now carry the 407etr transponder.  Just go here Order a Transponder | 407 ETR, Express Toll Route<https://www.407etr.com/en/order-a-transponder>  and order one in advance. It's like $25 U.S. to get one.

Second thought, VARAC requires a rain light.  One of our U.S. group was advised at tech last year that it would be in his best interes to install one. If it started to sprinkle during a session he would be black flagged without one.  I purchased a cheap small LED light and will be installing it on my roll bar before the event.

See you all in June

Marty Sukey
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 09:06:49 2026
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 11:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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Thanks Marty. Does anyone know if there are any Canadian toll roads that I
should be ready for when traveling to the track from the 1000 Islands side
of the lake? I see bridge tolls on the NY side (I love NY) but I have an EZ
Pass for the MH and trailer to cover them.

mike h

On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 9:18?PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> A heads up if you are crossing at Buffalo and plan on taking the 407etr
> toll road. If you are over 11000 pounds (5000kg) you must have a 407etr
> transponder. My first trip with the MH and trailer I saw the signs but just
> assumed that was for commercial vehicles. I assumed wrong.  I about crapped
> when I got the bill in the mail. In addition to the tolls, that weren't
> cheap, there was $150 in camera fees.  I use the 407etr each year to
> Mosport and like it. But now carry the 407etr transponder.  Just go here Order
> a Transponder | 407 ETR, Express Toll Route
> <https://www.407etr.com/en/order-a-transponder>  and order one in
> advance. It's like $25 U.S. to get one.
>
> Second thought, VARAC requires a rain light.  One of our U.S. group was
> advised at tech last year that it would be in his best interes to install
> one. If it started to sprinkle during a session he would be black flagged
> without one.  I purchased a cheap small LED light and will be installing it
> on my roll bar before the event.
>
> See you all in June
>
> Marty Sukey
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>
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 09:24:48 2026
From: lymanazhd at yahoo.com (Lyman Scherer)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 09:24:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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From emanteno at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 09:44:38 2026
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 10:44:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fidanza flywheel for sale
Message-ID: <CAFWFMygGnLC6DLY_5+_ZpUqJXwE+s+xYRT8EVL6v7cLopt5C0w@mail.gmail.com>

Used but not abused Fidanza aluminum flywheel for the short crank TR6
engine. I have had this in my street TR6 for about 15 years. It's in very
good condition.
$250 includes shipping to the Continental US. Thanks for looking,

Irv Korey
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From emanteno at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 09:53:15 2026
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 10:53:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fidanza flywheel for sale
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Wow, the flywheel is sold already. Thank you,

Irv Korey

On Sun, Jan 4, 2026 at 10:44?AM Irv Korey <emanteno at gmail.com> wrote:

> Used but not abused Fidanza aluminum flywheel for the short crank TR6
> engine. I have had this in my street TR6 for about 15 years. It's in very
> good condition.
> $250 includes shipping to the Continental US. Thanks for looking,
>
> Irv Korey
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 10:51:35 2026
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 12:51:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 11:46:38 2026
From: lymanazhd at yahoo.com (Lyman Scherer)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 11:46:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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From vintageclassicsus at outlook.com  Sun Jan  4 11:52:23 2026
From: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com (Tony Garmey)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 18:52:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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I find this  topic slightly humorous as I was TOLD at Limerock to turn OFF my lights as it was not allowed LOL ?.
Apparently a VRG rule ????
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2026, at 10:02?AM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

? Regarding the rain light:
Dave and I are running the stock tailights that we turn on in the rain (and the dark). Presumably these will be ok?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2026, at 11:40?AM, Lyman Scherer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?Thanks for the great heads-up input!!
Contemplated adding a low mount rain light when re-wiring TR4!! Oh well, will do?
Any travel insights for us western travelers? Crossing through Toronto side.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2026, at 9:19?AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Thanks Marty. Does anyone know if there are any Canadian toll roads that I should be ready for when traveling to the track from the 1000 Islands side of the lake? I see bridge tolls on the NY side (I love NY) but I have an EZ Pass for the MH and trailer to cover them.

mike h

On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 9:18?PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
A heads up if you are crossing at Buffalo and plan on taking the 407etr toll road. If you are over 11000 pounds (5000kg) you must have a 407etr transponder. My first trip with the MH and trailer I saw the signs but just assumed that was for commercial vehicles. I assumed wrong.  I about crapped when I got the bill in the mail. In addition to the tolls, that weren't cheap, there was $150 in camera fees.  I use the 407etr each year to Mosport and like it. But now carry the 407etr transponder.  Just go here Order a Transponder | 407 ETR, Express Toll Route<https://www.407etr.com/en/order-a-transponder>  and order one in advance. It's like $25 U.S. to get one.

Second thought, VARAC requires a rain light.  One of our U.S. group was advised at tech last year that it would be in his best interes to install one. If it started to sprinkle during a session he would be black flagged without one.  I purchased a cheap small LED light and will be installing it on my roll bar before the event.

See you all in June

Marty Sukey
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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 12:49:40 2026
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 14:49:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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Hi Mike - I've done that route a couple of times, other than the bridge, no
tolls, a little slow, speed limit often 100 KPH
Cheers
Brian

On Sun, Jan 4, 2026 at 11:12?AM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Marty. Does anyone know if there are any Canadian toll roads that I
> should be ready for when traveling to the track from the 1000 Islands side
> of the lake? I see bridge tolls on the NY side (I love NY) but I have an EZ
> Pass for the MH and trailer to cover them.
>
> mike h
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 9:18?PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> A heads up if you are crossing at Buffalo and plan on taking the 407etr
>> toll road. If you are over 11000 pounds (5000kg) you must have a 407etr
>> transponder. My first trip with the MH and trailer I saw the signs but just
>> assumed that was for commercial vehicles. I assumed wrong.  I about crapped
>> when I got the bill in the mail. In addition to the tolls, that weren't
>> cheap, there was $150 in camera fees.  I use the 407etr each year to
>> Mosport and like it. But now carry the 407etr transponder.  Just go here Order
>> a Transponder | 407 ETR, Express Toll Route
>> <https://www.407etr.com/en/order-a-transponder>  and order one in
>> advance. It's like $25 U.S. to get one.
>>
>> Second thought, VARAC requires a rain light.  One of our U.S. group was
>> advised at tech last year that it would be in his best interes to install
>> one. If it started to sprinkle during a session he would be black flagged
>> without one.  I purchased a cheap small LED light and will be installing it
>> on my roll bar before the event.
>>
>> See you all in June
>>
>> Marty Sukey
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>>
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Jan  4 13:23:02 2026
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2026 15:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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Mike,

You are correct, there are minor bridge tolls on the connector from 
Route 81 to the 401 in Canada. EZPass works. No issue like Marty is 
referring to.

The toll issue Marty is referring to is a newish toll road built to 
bypass Toronto. From what I understand, you can still take the old road 
and avoid the toll. I have no firsthand knowledge of this, but several 
of our guys do navigate this every year and can chime in.

Henry Frye
860.508.3118

On 2026-01-04 11:06, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:

> Thanks Marty. Does anyone know if there are any Canadian toll roads 
> that I should be ready for when traveling to the track from the 1000 
> Islands side of the lake? I see bridge tolls on the NY side (I love NY) 
> but I have an EZ Pass for the MH and trailer to cover them.
> 
> mike h
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 9:18?PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> A heads up if you are crossing at Buffalo and plan on taking the 
>> 407etr toll road. If you are over 11000 pounds (5000kg) you must have 
>> a 407etr transponder. My first trip with the MH and trailer I saw the 
>> signs but just assumed that was for commercial vehicles. I assumed 
>> wrong.  I about crapped when I got the bill in the mail. In addition 
>> to the tolls, that weren't cheap, there was $150 in camera fees.  I 
>> use the 407etr each year to Mosport and like it. But now carry the 
>> 407etr transponder.  Just go here Order a Transponder | 407 ETR, 
>> Express Toll Route [1]  and order one in advance. It's like $25 U.S. 
>> to get one.
>> 
>> Second thought, VARAC requires a rain light.  One of our U.S. group 
>> was advised at tech last year that it would be in his best interes to 
>> install one. If it started to sprinkle during a session he would be 
>> black flagged without one.  I purchased a cheap small LED light and 
>> will be installing it on my roll bar before the event.
>> 
>> See you all in June
>> 
>> Marty Sukey _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
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>> 
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Jan  4 13:39:38 2026
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2026 15:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rain Lights at the Mosport
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I ran for YEARS without a rain light, as several others from the States 
has done. I have never seen a car get black flagged if it starts raining 
and no rain light is on.

Eventually, I did wire rain lights as Phil describes, simply installed a 
switch and ran a wire back to my OEM tail lights. The parking light 
circuit on standard 1147 bulbs is all you want and need.

Please don't overthink this, guys. If you don't run in the rain, you 
certainly don't need a rain light.

You do not want a super bright lights that will distract your 
competitors, or as Tony G found out at Lime Rock, you will get black 
flagged because somebody thinks your car is on fire! (I wish I was 
kidding...)

Henry Frye
860.508.3118

On 2026-01-04 13:46, Lyman Scherer via Fot wrote:

> Our TR4 has led tail/brake & turn sig bulbs. Could easily wire both 
> turn bulbs into rain lights with switch. Plus we have bright led 
> rollbar light with tail/brake.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 10:51?AM, Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Regarding the rain light:
>> Dave and I are running the stock tailights that we turn on in the rain 
>> (and the dark). Presumably these will be ok?
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 13:46:33 2026
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 15:46:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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From mjkurtz051 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 14:38:01 2026
From: mjkurtz051 at gmail.com (Michael Kurtz)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 16:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 15:44:02 2026
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 17:44:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rain Lights at the Mosport
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References: <4FA2CAD8-88FB-4C57-B19C-452F13C654CA@aol.com>
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Last year at MoSport, tech took it very seriously that I did not have a
functioning rain light (or factory running lights).

The inspector had to call over his boss, a special note was sent to race
control, and then I had to promise to remove myself from the track if it
began raining.

Needless to say,  I have a nice little LED lamp to install before heading
up for the Kcup this year!

Jason

On Sun, Jan 4, 2026 at 5:35?PM Henry Frye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I ran for YEARS without a rain light, as several others from the States
> has done. I have never seen a car get black flagged if it starts raining
> and no rain light is on.
>
> Eventually, I did wire rain lights as Phil describes, simply installed a
> switch and ran a wire back to my OEM tail lights. The parking light circuit
> on standard 1147 bulbs is all you want and need.
>
> Please don't overthink this, guys. If you don't run in the rain, you
> certainly don't need a rain light.
>
> You do not want a super bright lights that will distract your competitors,
> or as Tony G found out at Lime Rock, you will get black flagged because
> somebody thinks your car is on fire! (I wish I was kidding...)
>
> Henry Frye
> 860.508.3118
>
> On 2026-01-04 13:46, Lyman Scherer via Fot wrote:
>
> Our TR4 has led tail/brake & turn sig bulbs. Could easily wire both turn
> bulbs into rain lights with switch. Plus we have bright led rollbar light
> with tail/brake.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2026, at 10:51?AM, Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Regarding the rain light:
> Dave and I are running the stock tailights that we turn on in the rain
> (and the dark). Presumably these will be ok?
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 16:33:31 2026
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 18:33:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2026 Kastner Cup Mosport
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Thanks Henry.
I've taken the road to Toronto 407, without a trailer in the distant past,
my 1st trip into Canada with a Class A motorhome. I remember coming up on a
low bridge sign, at 110 KPH, with the clearance in Meters. Quick conversion
in my head from feet and I thought we were OK but I told the kids to hold
on, we may be stopping quickly. We cleared it but they still rag me about
it.

mike h

On Sun, Jan 4, 2026 at 5:23?PM Henry Frye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Mike,
>
> You are correct, there are minor bridge tolls on the connector from Route
> 81 to the 401 in Canada. EZPass works. No issue like Marty is referring to.
>
> The toll issue Marty is referring to is a newish toll road built to bypass
> Toronto. From what I understand, you can still take the old road and avoid
> the toll. I have no firsthand knowledge of this, but several of our guys do
> navigate this every year and can chime in.
>
> Henry Frye
> 860.508.3118
>
> On 2026-01-04 11:06, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:
>
> Thanks Marty. Does anyone know if there are any Canadian toll roads that I
> should be ready for when traveling to the track from the 1000 Islands side
> of the lake? I see bridge tolls on the NY side (I love NY) but I have an EZ
> Pass for the MH and trailer to cover them.
>
> mike h
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 9:18?PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> A heads up if you are crossing at Buffalo and plan on taking the 407etr
> toll road. If you are over 11000 pounds (5000kg) you must have a 407etr
> transponder. My first trip with the MH and trailer I saw the signs but just
> assumed that was for commercial vehicles. I assumed wrong.  I about crapped
> when I got the bill in the mail. In addition to the tolls, that weren't
> cheap, there was $150 in camera fees.  I use the 407etr each year to
> Mosport and like it. But now carry the 407etr transponder.  Just go here Order
> a Transponder | 407 ETR, Express Toll Route
> <https://www.407etr.com/en/order-a-transponder>  and order one in
> advance. It's like $25 U.S. to get one.
>
> Second thought, VARAC requires a rain light.  One of our U.S. group was
> advised at tech last year that it would be in his best interes to install
> one. If it started to sprinkle during a session he would be black flagged
> without one.  I purchased a cheap small LED light and will be installing it
> on my roll bar before the event.
>
> See you all in June
>
> Marty Sukey
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 04:21:05 2026
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 06:21:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rain Lights at the Mosport
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 13:38:50 2026
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 15:38:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] shipping help again
Message-ID: <CALDumpDohYWgr3_mTYRZGJT6uRxc9bAa7eSoONq4zzkWE2VicQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon all,
  My driver that was to pick up an engine in PA, can no longer make the
trip.  I need to hire an LTL shipper...  does anyone know the approximate
weight of a GT6 engine ... long block with head & internals, no bellhousing
or tranny?
  Also, what should I figure for the weight of a pallet.  I just need an
aprox. shipping weight for the carriers.
Thanks in advance,

Tom Strange
#59 Red GT6
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Fri Jan  9 11:44:50 2026
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 13:44:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
Message-ID: <D3A7C7A4-C9AA-4B23-BF2B-F86C1025E705@optonline.net>

Friends,

What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations comp rear springs? 

I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks rebuilt. 

When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.  It was then I decided to have a look at mine.  

Any info is helpful 
Todd

From vintageclassicsus at outlook.com  Fri Jan  9 12:08:42 2026
From: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com (Tony Garmey)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 19:08:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2026, at 10:58?AM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?Friends,
>
> What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations comp rear springs?
>
> I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks rebuilt.
>
> When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.  It was then I decided to have a look at mine.
>
> Any info is helpful
> Todd
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 12:15:37 2026
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 19:15:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
In-Reply-To: <D3A7C7A4-C9AA-4B23-BF2B-F86C1025E705@optonline.net>
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 Todd, you also need to factor in sway bar size into your spring consideration. ?Bumpy tracks you might want a softer spring and a stiffer sway bar. ?My car does not have the typical TR3 suspension, but as an example I have 400 pound springs up front with a 1" solid sway bay.JoeB
    On Friday, January 9, 2026 at 02:07:15 PM EST, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Friends,

What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations comp rear springs? 

I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks rebuilt. 

When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.? It was then I decided to have a look at mine.? 

Any info is helpful 
Todd
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 12:33:24 2026
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 19:33:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
In-Reply-To: <D3A7C7A4-C9AA-4B23-BF2B-F86C1025E705@optonline.net>
References: <D3A7C7A4-C9AA-4B23-BF2B-F86C1025E705@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1551690024.9334224.1767987204765@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Todd.? I raced a TR-4A years ago, but have driven aggressive TR-3 street cars since college and I still have a TR-2 and a TR-3A today.? When I built a TR-3 vintage race car in the late 90's, I followed Kas Kastner's Competition preparation manual.? For rear springs I simply added a leaf to the stock springs and for the front, I ordered whatever competition springs were available at the time.? Perhaps more important than springs if you want to control body roll is sway bars.? It's been a long time, but I believe I used at least a 1" bar in the front.? Stealing from sprint car technology, I used a tubular bar that was splined on each end.? Then I had aluminum arms made up to slide on the ends of the bar and were made out of 1" by 2" stock.? These arms, attached to the suspension with rod ends provided very firm roll stiffness.? I mounted the bar to the frame with custom made aluminum brackets - no rubber in the system!? I also set up the frame to accommodate a rear bar, if needed.? I would put a big front bar on first and try it without a rear bar.? If it has a tendency to understeer add a small rear bar and go larger until you find the right balance.
Good luck with your project.
Jack Wheeler

    On Friday, January 9, 2026 at 02:04:54 PM EST, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Friends,

What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations comp rear springs? 

I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks rebuilt. 

When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.? It was then I decided to have a look at mine.? 

Any info is helpful 
Todd
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Fri Jan  9 13:03:09 2026
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 12:03:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
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The problem is, you could swap cars with Tony and he would still overtake!

~Steve


> On Jan 9, 2026, at 12:01?PM, Tony Garmey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2026, at 10:58?AM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Friends,
>> 
>> What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations comp rear springs?
>> 
>> I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks rebuilt.
>> 
>> When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.  It was then I decided to have a look at mine.
>> 
>> Any info is helpful
>> Todd
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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>> 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 17:17:25 2026
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 19:17:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
In-Reply-To: <122DDD44-E92C-4956-8B9E-B5ABD0F20C1D@artwithcars.com>
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But he?d have more body roll!

Chuck Gee

> On Jan 9, 2026, at 4:53?PM, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The problem is, you could swap cars with Tony and he would still overtake!
> 
> ~Steve
> 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2026, at 12:01?PM, Tony Garmey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 9, 2026, at 10:58?AM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Friends,
>>> 
>>> What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations comp rear springs?
>>> 
>>> I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks rebuilt.
>>> 
>>> When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.  It was then I decided to have a look at mine.
>>> 
>>> Any info is helpful
>>> Todd
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jan  9 19:29:02 2026
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 21:29:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Race Cars wanted for Philadelphia Auto Show
Message-ID: <F1E3AB7C-BE31-4EED-ADD1-908039E3294C@me.com>

I just got a call from Dave Hutchison, of Ragtops and Roadsters, who is organizing an exhibit of Triumphs at the Philadelphia Convention Center as part of the annual Auto Show, Jan 31-Feb 8th.  If you?ve never been to the PHL Auto Show, in addition to all the new cars, they also usually have an AACA section, a tuner section, some exotics, and a special exhibit, which seems to be Triumphs this year.

He has about 25 Triumphs lined up, some of the usual stuff, and some unusual ones, including a Gloria and his Italia. What he doesn?t have is any race cars and he would like to have some.

For those of you who have been in the convention center, this particular exhibit will be in what was the old Reading Terminal train shed, a very cool space that was integrated into the construction of the overall convention center. 
Anyone who is interested in should contact Dave on his cell phone 215-527-1409.  
He can tell you about logistics, but apparently it?s pretty easy to drive in with a trailer and unload, etc.  
Dave told me I could call him any time over the weekend, etc - he?s tasked with putting this together in short order and would be delighted to hear from you.
He asked about my GT6 and I?m considering it, but have some race prep to do and am not sure it will work out.


Scott Janzen


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Sat Jan 10 07:17:37 2026
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2026 09:17:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
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Agreed!


        ------ Original Message ------
        From: steve at artwithcars.com
        To: vintageclassicsus at outlook.com
Cc: alfetta95 at optonline.net; Fot at autox.team.net
        Sent: Friday, January 9th 2026, 03:03 PM
        Subject: Re: [Fot] Front and Rear springs


  The problem is, you could swap cars with Tony and he would still 
overtake!

  ~Steve


  > On Jan 9, 2026, at 12:01?PM, Tony Garmey via Fot 
<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
  >
  > ?
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >> On Jan 9, 2026, at 10:58?AM, Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
wrote:
  >>
  >> ?Friends,
  >>
  >> What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are 
still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the 
Racetorations comp rear springs?
  >>
  >> I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear 
shocks rebuilt.
  >>
  >> When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I 
thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.  It was then I decided to 
have a look at mine.
  >>
  >> Any info is helpful
  >> Todd
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Sat Jan 10 07:18:15 2026
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2026 09:18:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
In-Reply-To: <D3A7C7A4-C9AA-4B23-BF2B-F86C1025E705@optonline.net>
References: <D3A7C7A4-C9AA-4B23-BF2B-F86C1025E705@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3BCE724D-2D4F-45D2-AE10-6DDE14C8C978@optonline.net>

Thank you all for your responses Some have asked so here is my current setup. 

- Lowered the car by flipping and swapping the front lower control arms and lowering blocks in the rear 
- front springs - whatever was available in the 60?s
- 7/8?  front sway bar
- no rear sway bar
- stock front shocks (Konis ordered)
- rear shocks - whatever was used in the 60?s (Getting rebuilt)
- stock rear springs with cut outs for the wider tires, 6 leafs
- Hoosier Speedsters 205/60. 15x6 rims
- Blackline LSD

Todd

> On Jan 9, 2026, at 1:44?PM, Alfetta95 <alfetta95 at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends,
> 
> What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations comp rear springs?
> 
> I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks rebuilt.
> 
> When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought, ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.  It was then I decided to have a look at mine.  
> 
> Any info is helpful
> Todd


From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 09:23:32 2026
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2026 10:23:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Front and Rear springs
In-Reply-To: <3BCE724D-2D4F-45D2-AE10-6DDE14C8C978@optonline.net>
References: <D3A7C7A4-C9AA-4B23-BF2B-F86C1025E705@optonline.net>
 <3BCE724D-2D4F-45D2-AE10-6DDE14C8C978@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWsRQdz43Uxj3crPNj1JTA=FXK-stcH=fAauGQ1vkG9EHw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to chime in here and probably show my ignorance. I've had a  few
race cars, a TR3A, two TR4's, a TR4A IRS and now a TR6. I always followed
what I considered to be the common knowledge principles in these cars,
followed what Kas said to do, and they were similarly equipped to what Todd
describes. I dropped them, stiffened them and put on a big front sway bar.
I shortened the upper a-arms (non-adjustable), and on the TR4A, I put in
Richard Good's adjustable trailing arm mounts and cranked them all the way
negative. That car actually handled really well with Richards front and
rear swaybars. The only thing I ever changed was the rear sway bar
settings. I left a lot on the table.

Now I'm going through the TR6 I got from Sam Halkias. This car was set up
to run on slicks and it too was set up stiff as a board, maybe a steel
plate. It is fast but extremely twitchy. Awful in the rain. The front is
traditional TR but with coil overs and adjustable upper a-arms. The
steering rack is mounted on off the shelf Moss aluminum mounts. I had to
lower the rack in the 4A, so I will work on that. In the rear, the
coilovers are installed in the spring pockets with a custom located upper
mount giving about 10 degrees angle. Sam constructed a custom sway bar and
it mounts to the trailing arm where the lever shock would.

I've been studying up and getting myself confused as I try and plan for
setting up the car in a more compliant manner. I've dropped the rear spring
rate from 700 top 450 but added adjustable shocks to help control
the trailing arm. I'm hoping this will allow me to tune with the sway bar,
which Sam had told me to leave disconnected. It did not have
adjustable links but it does now. Once I get the engine back in and all the
weight back in the car I will start on camber settings. I'm pretty sure
that the current setup for use with cantilever slicks needs more camber for
the radials Toyo's I'll be running.

I have a lot to learn, and I hope to get the car up and running and
start messing with setup in the Texas spring, earlier than most of you. We
race in late February.  I wish I was as smart as Tony Garmey with these
things. Beyond his exceptional driving skills, he has his suspension set up
to keep the tire patches in all the right places. We can all get the
recipes for the cars but the devil is in the details of car setup.

The devil is also in my head, messing with my through processing as I work
through this...............

Bob K

On Sat, Jan 10, 2026 at 9:07?AM Alfetta95 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thank you all for your responses Some have asked so here is my current
> setup.
>
> - Lowered the car by flipping and swapping the front lower control arms
> and lowering blocks in the rear
> - front springs - whatever was available in the 60?s
> - 7/8?  front sway bar
> - no rear sway bar
> - stock front shocks (Konis ordered)
> - rear shocks - whatever was used in the 60?s (Getting rebuilt)
> - stock rear springs with cut outs for the wider tires, 6 leafs
> - Hoosier Speedsters 205/60. 15x6 rims
> - Blackline LSD
>
> Todd
>
> > On Jan 9, 2026, at 1:44?PM, Alfetta95 <alfetta95 at optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Friends,
> >
> > What are you TR3 guys using for front and rear springs? Mine are still
> from when my father raced the car 50yrs ago. Anyone using the Racetorations
> comp rear springs?
> >
> > I?ve ordered the Koni shocks for front and am having the rear shocks
> rebuilt.
> >
> > When Tony Garmey passed me in the left hander at Lime Rock I thought,
> ?hmm that car didn?t show body roll?.  It was then I decided to have a look
> at mine.
> >
> > Any info is helpful
> > Todd
>
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From cofrog at q.com  Sat Jan 17 12:00:22 2026
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 11:00:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
Message-ID: <YO2BEDQQ9SU4.X7Y0688BIL4Q3@luweb01oc>

Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.  


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jan 17 12:21:26 2026
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:21:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
In-Reply-To: <YO2BEDQQ9SU4.X7Y0688BIL4Q3@luweb01oc>
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Don, I recently bought a couple of head gaskets from Racetorations (in 
England).? The total from them was under $300 as I recall.? I got a bill 
for $140 in tariffs from the shipping vendor which I had to pay prior to 
delivery.? I don't remember exact shipping but that part didn't feel out 
of line.? The tariffs payment sucked.

Regards, Tony

On 1/17/2026 1:00 PM, Dan Forgey via Fot wrote:
> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, 
> beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs 
> and tax, etc. to get it here?? ?I'm considering parts costing just 
> north of $500.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Sat Jan 17 12:29:38 2026
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 14:29:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
In-Reply-To: <YO2BEDQQ9SU4.X7Y0688BIL4Q3@luweb01oc>
References: <YO2BEDQQ9SU4.X7Y0688BIL4Q3@luweb01oc>
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Dan,
        For tariffs, from the UK, I'm typically seeing either 25% of the
value, or 50% of the value, plus another roughly $20 in processing fees etc.


Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
440.984.7720
jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
www.jspmparts.com
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/


On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 2:19?PM Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond
> the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc.
> to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
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From solarant at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 17 12:32:10 2026
From: solarant at hotmail.com (Anthony Parker)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 19:32:10 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
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http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot/2025-June/130869.html



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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2026 2:00 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?

Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.

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From tony.sheach at live.co.uk  Sat Jan 17 13:41:38 2026
From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 20:41:38 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
In-Reply-To: <b15a0252-3c53-483b-a537-97658eb866ce@tonydrews.com>
References: <YO2BEDQQ9SU4.X7Y0688BIL4Q3@luweb01oc>
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Message-ID: <VI0P190MB23891A86E78D10CA154CAA96C88AA@VI0P190MB2389.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Tony

If anyone is coming over I don?t mind holding a few boxes of bits for putting in ?hold luggage? - we are only a couple of hours from Heathrow.

Also, in due in NY weekend of 18/19 Feb and apparently we can have a third suitcase ? I?m calling the snap on man for the home trip, but on the way out it might be empty !

Regards

Tony
Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Jan 2026, at 20:13, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?Don, I recently bought a couple of head gaskets from Racetorations (in England).  The total from them was under $300 as I recall.  I got a bill for $140 in tariffs from the shipping vendor which I had to pay prior to delivery.  I don't remember exact shipping but that part didn't feel out of line.  The tariffs payment sucked.

Regards, Tony

On 1/17/2026 1:00 PM, Dan Forgey via Fot wrote:
> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
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From krhollar at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 14:19:54 2026
From: krhollar at yahoo.com (Ken Hollar)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 21:19:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
In-Reply-To: <YO2BEDQQ9SU4.X7Y0688BIL4Q3@luweb01oc>
References: <YO2BEDQQ9SU4.X7Y0688BIL4Q3@luweb01oc>
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 Hi Dan,
I recently bought parts from Racestorations in the UK.? Your $500 purchase will cost 1.34 times more in the exchange rate.?$670. The shipping costs are not to bad, depending on weight $50-75.? The tariff is 20%, another $134 collected by the shipping company.? Estimate $800+.? Ouch!
There seems to be no way around the tariff.? Most Europeans pay a VAT Value Added Tax of 17.8%.I have friends in the UK and we have discussed alternative plans.? Further, the Country of Origin for the parts is the rate that you pay.? If you buy parts shipped from the UK but Made in China.? You pay China Tariff.??
Good Luck.
Ken Hollar!958 TR3A??
    On Saturday, January 17, 2026 at 11:34:36 AM PST, Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?? ?I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.??
Thanks,
Dan_______________________________________________
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 14:31:33 2026
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 16:31:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
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I?ve bought quite a few parts from England since tarriffs were imposed from shops & ebay.

My experience is sometimes i get charged something & sometimes I don?t.  Doesn?t seem to be consistent at all.  Also, the amount seems to vary, but I haven?t seen 25%, more like 5%-15%.

Only issue i?ve had was from Canada.  I agreed to the tarrif amount at time of order & paid cost of part, shipping & tariff.  Canadian Customs/Post refused to send the parts to me & after a month in their care they sent them back to shop/shipper. 

So, mixed bag.  I definitely wish the exchange rate was like it was in 2022/2023 tho!

> On Jan 17, 2026, at 15:07, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?Don, I recently bought a couple of head gaskets from Racetorations (in England).  The total from them was under $300 as I recall.  I got a bill for $140 in tariffs from the shipping vendor which I had to pay prior to delivery.  I don't remember exact shipping but that part didn't feel out of line.  The tariffs payment sucked.
> 
> Regards, Tony
> 
>> On 1/17/2026 1:00 PM, Dan Forgey via Fot wrote:
>> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 14:49:22 2026
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:49:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
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This doesn?t answer your question at all as it?s the other way around, but I?d like to also hear if anybody has any thing to say on this topic when it comes to shipping to England.

Around Christmas, I went to the US post office to mail two vintage magazines as a gift from California  to the guy in England  that bought my triumph TR2 (TS805).  It was packed in a flexible envelope. One was an old, ?Classic Cars Magazine?, the other a little thinner.  So basically standard sizes and not very heavy. The post office wanted nearly $55. I didn?t ship it, sadly.

It doesn?t make sense to me.  You can order heavy widgets shipped from China for peanuts, but it costs $55 to ship a couple magazines to England.

?Justin Wagner
 

> On Jan 17, 2026, at 1:20?PM, Anthony Parker via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?
> http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot/2025-June/130869.html
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> 
> 
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2026 2:00 PM
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> Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
>  
> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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From jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 15:07:55 2026
From: jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 22:07:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Buying Parts From England?
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I wonder if a friend in Canada could purchase parts for you. Just asking for a friend as they say.
JVV
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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2026 3:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [TR] Buying Parts From England?


It appears to be completely random:  it depends on how the shipper categorizes the parts, who the carrier is and how customs reacts.



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dan Forgey
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2026 2:00 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Buying Parts From England?



Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here? I'm considering parts costing just north of $500. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.



Thanks,



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From gt6racer at msn.com  Sat Jan 17 17:04:42 2026
From: gt6racer at msn.com (Andrew Devenish)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 00:04:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
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I had similar experience - on $50 the charge was $60 - split even between tariff and UPS ?processing ? fees.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2026, at 5:57?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Hi Dan,

I recently bought parts from Racestorations in the UK.  Your $500 purchase will cost 1.34 times more in the exchange rate. $670. The shipping costs are not to bad, depending on weight $50-75.  The tariff is 20%, another $134 collected by the shipping company.  Estimate $800+.  Ouch!

There seems to be no way around the tariff.  Most Europeans pay a VAT Value Added Tax of 17.8%.
I have friends in the UK and we have discussed alternative plans.  Further, the Country of Origin for the parts is the rate that you pay.  If you buy parts shipped from the UK but Made in China.  You pay China Tariff.

Good Luck.

Ken Hollar
!958 TR3A

On Saturday, January 17, 2026 at 11:34:36 AM PST, Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.

Thanks,

Dan
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 18:12:58 2026
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 01:12:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Buying Parts From England?
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 as i understand, and im open to being set right.the us has demanded that the uk collect the tarrifs prior to shipping.however there is no sytem in place to get those funds into the hands of the usa.consequently some are charging the tarrifs in fear of what may come soon, and some are simply ignoring it.


    On Saturday, January 17, 2026 at 03:33:56 PM PST, <rjray.architect at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
Dan, 



I had an order for Triumph Stag parts from Rimmer Brothers, which I canceled.

Parts were $172.61

Shipping. handling, and tariffs totaled $325.49 in addition to the parts

 ?

I will be ordering the same parts from Robsport International, in England, which seems to have a much better understanding, and lower cost, for shipping and tariffs.

 ?

? Ron

 ?

 ?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dan Forgey
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2026 1:00 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Buying Parts From England?

 ?

Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?? ?I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.??

 ?

Thanks,

 ?

Dan
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Jan 17 18:55:14 2026
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 19:55:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Buying Parts From England?
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Jerry, interesting / excellent idea!? I'll bet I'll meet up with some of 
my Canadian friends in June at Mosport...? Might be worth stocking up on 
3 years worth of consumables that are only available from England...


Unless someone knows of a domestic source for the magical head gasket 
that Racetorations carries:

https://www.racetorations.co.uk/product/composite-cylinder-head-gasket-tr2-4a/


Trying that instead of the Cometic this year - Cometic has round fire 
rings so you need to buy oversize to clear intake valve pocket.? The 
Racetorations one has fire rings but has the mickey mouse ear shape to 
match the head.


Cheers, Tony


On 1/17/2026 4:07 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
> I wonder if a friend in Canada could purchase parts for you. Just 
> asking for a friend as they say.
> JVV
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of 
> auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2026 3:34 PM
> *To:* Dan Forgey <cofrog at q.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net 
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Buying Parts From England?
>
> It appears to be completely random:? it depends on how the shipper 
> categorizes the parts, who the carrier is and how customs reacts.
>
> *From:*Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Dan 
> Forgey
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2026 2:00 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] Buying Parts From England?
>
> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, 
> beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs 
> and tax, etc. to get it here? I'm considering parts costing just north 
> of $500. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>
> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, 
> beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs 
> and tax, etc. to get it here?? ?I'm considering parts costing just 
> north of $500.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
>
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 19:50:04 2026
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 02:50:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination if Cameron Mehl to FOT
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I would like to nominate my Son Cameron Mehl to FOT. He is now racing my 62 Triumph TR4 #46. The car was owned by his Grandfather before me. He earned his Vintage license through SOVREN. He earned his license in 2023 and ran again in 2025 and we are preparing the car for 2026

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Jan 17 20:32:00 2026
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 19:32:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Buying Parts From England?
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Well, how in the hell did this all come about.  Tariffs!  Awful.  And, what a shame.
DH
 
 

> On 01/17/2026 1:29 PM PST rjray.architect at gmail.com wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Dan,
> 
> 
> I had an order for Triumph Stag parts from Rimmer Brothers, which I canceled.
> 
> Parts were $172.61
> 
> Shipping. handling, and tariffs totaled $325.49 in addition to the parts
> 
>  
> 
> I will be ordering the same parts from Robsport International, in England, which seems to have a much better understanding, and lower cost, for shipping and tariffs.
> 
>  
> 
>   Ron
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dan Forgey
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2026 1:00 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Buying Parts From England?
> 
>  
> 
> Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Dan
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 18 02:54:25 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 02:54:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination if Cameron Mehl to FOT
In-Reply-To: <1386777606.1671833.1768704604021@mail.yahoo.com>
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On 1/17/26 7:50 PM, Mike Mehl via Fot wrote:
> I would like to nominate my Son Cameron Mehl to FOT. He is now racing my 
> 62 Triumph TR4 #46. The car was owned by his Grandfather before me. He 
> earned his Vintage license through SOVREN. He earned his license in 2023 
> and ran again in 2025 and we are preparing the car for 2026

Okay, I added him to the list.

mjb.


From thompsong at prodigy.net  Sun Jan 18 07:33:45 2026
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 14:33:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Tim Lynch
References: <146452458.1722719.1768746825410.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <146452458.1722719.1768746825410@mail.yahoo.com>

Amici,
I would like to nominate Tim Lynch, lynchkj at comcast.net,?to the FOT list. He purchased Russ Westfall's TR4a from him last fall. He may be familiar to some in VSCDA as he ran a formula Ford from 1992-2008.?
Cheers,
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From mecook at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 18 07:47:33 2026
From: mecook at mindspring.com (Mark Cook)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 14:47:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
Message-ID: <6dbf38ee-7034-e49e-090c-6d2e580fef98@mindspring.com>

I purchased many parts in 2025 from Racetorations, prior to June (25%) and post tariff reduction (10%).   

The shipper has to determine the category and Racetorations used a 10% Duty Rate which is for U.K.-origin auto parts intended for U.K.-made automobiles under specific HTSUS codes 9903.94.32.  There is a 25% additional tariff for parts not meeting the 10% requirements.

Lower than the 15% I have to pay for my German car parts.

Like others, I had to pay DHL or UPS the tariff when the part landed in US Customs, typically in Kentucky.  And, yep, the exchange rate sucks.

Thanks,

Mark

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/06/30/2025-12060/imports-of-automobiles-automobile-parts-civil-aircraft-and-civil-aircraft-parts-from-the-united



-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Devenish via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Jan 17, 2026 9:37 PM
To: Ken Hollar <krhollar at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>, fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?

I had similar experience - on $50 the charge was $60 - split even between tariff and UPS &ldquo;processing &ldquo; fees.Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2026, at 5:57?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


 
Hi Dan,
 
I recently bought parts from Racestorations in the UK.  Your $500 purchase will cost 1.34 times more in the exchange rate. $670. The shipping costs are not to bad, depending on weight $50-75.  The tariff is 20%, another $134 collected by the shipping company.  Estimate $800+.  Ouch!
 
There seems to be no way around the tariff.  Most Europeans pay a VAT Value Added Tax of 17.8%.
I have friends in the UK and we have discussed alternative plans.  Further, the Country of Origin for the parts is the rate that you pay.  If you buy parts shipped from the UK but Made in China.  You pay China Tariff.  
 
Good Luck.
 
Ken Hollar
!958 TR3A  
 

On Saturday, January 17, 2026 at 11:34:36 AM PST, Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
 
 
Does anyone have recent purchases and thus knowledge of how much, beyond the part's cost, it costs additionally for shipping, tariffs and tax, etc. to get it here?   I'm considering parts costing just north of $500.   
Thanks,
 
Dan


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From cofrog at q.com  Sun Jan 18 09:11:57 2026
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 08:11:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England
Message-ID: <9UDD9VG0ASU4.4WDT02JKPRA23@luweb03oc>

Thanks for the many responses.


I had ordered parts from Rimmer Brothers who had great sale prices on them.  When the "extras" came in at almost equal to the parts cost I cancelled.  Fortunately the parts were wants rather than needs.


It seems that listers experiences vary all over the place.  Crazy!


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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jan 18 09:25:12 2026
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 10:25:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Buying Parts From England?
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Dave, I know we try to stay away from politics on this list, but the 
answer is obvious. Trump just announced new tariffs on the UK and 7 
other countries over his plan to take over Greenland. What got me 
recently is how much the dollar has declined in the past year, over 10%.
 ?- Larry Young

On 1/17/2026 9:32 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
> Well, how in the hell did this all come about.? Tariffs!? Awful.? And, 
> what a shame.
> DH
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Jan 18 10:34:25 2026
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 12:34:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Buying Parts From England?
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I?m with you, but I?d leave it off the list. FOT is one of the few places we can interact with having to think about what?s going on in the broader world.
Scott
GT6
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> On Jan 18, 2026, at 12:11?PM, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ? Dave, I know we try to stay away from politics on this list, but the answer is obvious. Trump just announced new tariffs on the UK and 7 other countries over his plan to take over Greenland. What got me recently is how much the dollar has declined in the past year, over 10%. 
>  - Larry Young
> 
> On 1/17/2026 9:32 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
>> Well, how in the hell did this all come about.  Tariffs!  Awful.  And, what a shame.
>> DH
>>  
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From hpspitfire at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 11:14:15 2026
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England?
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jan 18 11:49:58 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 11:49:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Tim Lynch
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On 1/18/26 7:33 AM, GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot wrote:
> Amici,
> 
> I would like to nominate Tim Lynch, lynchkj at comcast.net,?to the FOT 
> list. He purchased Russ Westfall's TR4a from him last fall. He may be 
> familiar to some in VSCDA as he ran a formula Ford from 1992-2008.

Okay, I added him to the list.

mjb.


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 12:04:38 2026
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 11:04:38 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England
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I just cancelled a US$56 UK parts purchase for a light weight sheet 
metal latch that is maybe a foot square and less than 2 inches high when 
folded. Shipping was to be just under $100 US dollars. Not counting the 
new additional tariff Trump has just promised on countries supporting 
Greenland. For now, bailing wire will do until someone comes along who 
realizes tariffs are paid by the American purchaser. Or even cares.

TeriAnn

On 1/18/26 8:11 AM, Dan Forgey via Fot wrote:
> I had ordered parts from Rimmer Brothers who had great sale prices on 
> them.? When the "extras" came in at almost equal to the parts cost I 
> cancelled.? Fortunately the parts were wants rather than needs.


From mjkurtz051 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 12:36:11 2026
From: mjkurtz051 at gmail.com (Michael Kurtz)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 14:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Buying Parts From England?
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On 1/18/2026 12:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> I?m with you, but I?d leave it off the list. FOT is one of the few 
> places we can interact with having to think about what?s going on in 
> the broader world.
> Scott
> GT6
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 18, 2026, at 12:11?PM, Larry Young via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ? Dave, I know we try to stay away from politics on this list, but 
>> the answer is obvious. Trump just announced new tariffs on the UK and 
>> 7 other countries over his plan to take over Greenland. What got me 
>> recently is how much the dollar has declined in the past year, over 10%.
>> ?- Larry Young
>>
>> On 1/17/2026 9:32 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
>>> Well, how in the hell did this all come about.? Tariffs! Awful.? 
>>> And, what a shame.
>>> DH
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 13:51:23 2026
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 15:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Buying Parts From England
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No politics - Just Triumphs!

> On Jan 18, 2026, at 15:03, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I just cancelled a US$56 UK parts purchase for a light weight sheet metal latch that is maybe a foot square and less than 2 inches high when folded. Shipping was to be just under $100 US dollars. Not counting the new additional tariff Trump has just promised on countries supporting Greenland. For now, bailing wire will do until someone comes along who realizes tariffs are paid by the American purchaser. Or even cares.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>> On 1/18/26 8:11 AM, Dan Forgey via Fot wrote:
>> I had ordered parts from Rimmer Brothers who had great sale prices on them.  When the "extras" came in at almost equal to the parts cost I cancelled.  Fortunately the parts were wants rather than needs.
> 
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon Jan 19 09:32:32 2026
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 16:32:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] info needed re Southwick Moser axles
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Hi all, I'm looking for dimensional drawings on the Moser axles as used in the Southwick conversion, of the bearing journal to hub area, primary concern being the inside radius spec.Any help appreciated!
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 20:03:14 2026
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 19:03:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] info needed re Southwick Moser axles
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Glen,
I should have kept the FoT in the thread.  Important stuff.
I noticed this the first time I changed bearings.  If I remember correctly, Timken, which I prefer, had a smaller radius and it didn't seat all the way.  It was seating down in the radius of the bearing.  Of course I didn't think to check that radius before installing it.  Green and Timken obviously have a different radius.  I believe Southwick and Moser use the Green bearings.  There may be different part numbers from these companies for different dimensions for the radius.  I think the basic number is 9507.   So, there might be a Timken with the needed radius.  The Green number is 9507F or RW507E.  
 
Dave H. 

> On 01/19/2026 2:35 PM PST fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> Dave you nailed it!
> Exactly my observation, different radii preventing the bearing pressing fully home.
> THANKS!!!
> Glen
>  
> On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 01:26:58 PM EST, Dave Hogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi Glen, 
> I believe there were variations in the machining.
> You might contact Moser. They supply Southwick. 
> I purchased a set of axles from Southwick and they were very different than what was in my car.  
> I found the radius on bearings, depending upon Green or Timken, did not match the radius on the axles.  
> Perhaps this is what you are finding. 
> Dave H. 
> 831-234-4928
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > On Jan 19, 2026, at 8:48?AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> 
> > Hi all, I'm looking for dimensional drawings on the Moser axles as used in the Southwick conversion, of the bearing journal to hub area, primary concern being the inside radius spec.
> > Any help appreciated!
> >  
> > Glen Efinger
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 20:46:01 2026
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 03:46:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] info needed re Southwick Moser axles
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 There is a thread from 2020 about the bearings. ?Here is what I had posted back then;"The Moser package that I have, which came with 2 bearings and 2 press on retainers is part number MSR-9507F.? The bearing is an RW507E, 1.377 ID and 2.834 OD.? JoeB"
Here are some other posts from that thread:
The Timken number that I tried using is RW507ER.? Perhaps the Suffix R is the radius designation.? In any event, it doesn't really cross with the Green bearing used for the Moser axle and I could not get a different Timken bearing.? The inner races have a different radius on the i.d.? I alway use Timken, but not this time.? Southwick will also send you Green bearings.? Number RW507E.?
Dave H.?

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com> wrote:
>?
> Thanks, guys!
> The seal that failed is not the O-ring. It is the seal in the bearing itself. Gear oil from the differential is slowly working its way into the bearing and diluting the grease, which is getting thrown out onto the brakes.
> Much appreciate the responses. I had not heard of ?Green? bearings as a brand before. Good to know that the chamfer radii are different from Timken.
> In googling the part numbers it looks like Moser actually sells the bearing and retainer as a set available from jEGS, Summit, etc.
> Thanks very much, everyone! And for such fast responses. What a great group!
> Phil
>?
> Sent from my iPhone
>?
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
>>?
>> ?Check the radius of the Timken bearing closely and make sure it will fit, or is larger than the radius on the axle flange before you install it.? Moser axles don't come with Timken bearings.? They come with Green bearings.? The first time I used Timken, I found that the radius of the bearing interferes with the radius of the axle and keeps the bearing from going on as it should.? There was about .015" gap.??
>> The numbers on the Green box are 9507F RW507E.? I asked the auto parts guy to get me the Timken cross and when installing it, noticed I could press it on all the way, leaving a gap to the shoulder.?
>> Dave H.
    On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 10:28:22 PM EST, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
    Glen,   I should have kept the FoT in the thread.? Important stuff.   I noticed this the first time I changed bearings.? If I remember correctly, Timken, which I prefer, had a smaller radius and it didn't seat all the way.? It was seating down in the radius of the bearing.? Of course I didn't think to check that radius before installing it.? Green and Timken obviously have a different radius.? I believe Southwick and Moser use the Green bearings.? There may be different part numbers from these companies for different dimensions for the radius.? I think the basic number is 9507.? ?So, there might be a Timken with the needed radius.? The Green number is 9507F or RW507E.??   ?   Dave H.?
 
 
   
        
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 21:14:24 2026
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 20:14:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] info needed re Southwick Moser axles
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Thanks Joe.
I thought that I had crossed this bridge before.  
I appreciate revisiting these posts.
 
Dave H. 

> On 01/19/2026 7:46 PM PST Joe Boruch <jaboruch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> There is a thread from 2020 about the bearings.  Here is what I had posted back then;
> "The Moser package that I have, which came with 2 bearings and 2 press on retainers is part number MSR-9507F.  The bearing is an RW507E, 1.377 ID and 2.834 OD.  JoeB"
>  
> Here are some other posts from that thread:
>  
> The Timken number that I tried using is RW507ER.  Perhaps the Suffix R is the radius designation.  In any event, it doesn't really cross with the Green bearing used for the Moser axle and I could not get a different Timken bearing.  The inner races have a different radius on the i.d.  I alway use Timken, but not this time.  Southwick will also send you Green bearings.  Number RW507E. 
> Dave H. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> > On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com mailto:vfracing at aol.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, guys!
> > The seal that failed is not the O-ring. It is the seal in the bearing itself. Gear oil from the differential is slowly working its way into the bearing and diluting the grease, which is getting thrown out onto the brakes.
> > Much appreciate the responses. I had not heard of ?Green? bearings as a brand before. Good to know that the chamfer radii are different from Timken.
> > In googling the part numbers it looks like Moser actually sells the bearing and retainer as a set available from jEGS, Summit, etc.
> > Thanks very much, everyone! And for such fast responses. What a great group!
> > Phil
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Check the radius of the Timken bearing closely and make sure it will fit, or is larger than the radius on the axle flange before you install it.  Moser axles don't come with Timken bearings.  They come with Green bearings.  The first time I used Timken, I found that the radius of the bearing interferes with the radius of the axle and keeps the bearing from going on as it should.  There was about .015" gap.  
> >> The numbers on the Green box are 9507F RW507E.  I asked the auto parts guy to get me the Timken cross and when installing it, noticed I could press it on all the way, leaving a gap to the shoulder. 
> >> Dave H.
> 
>  
> On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 10:28:22 PM EST, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Glen,
> I should have kept the FoT in the thread.  Important stuff.
> I noticed this the first time I changed bearings.  If I remember correctly, Timken, which I prefer, had a smaller radius and it didn't seat all the way.  It was seating down in the radius of the bearing.  Of course I didn't think to check that radius before installing it.  Green and Timken obviously have a different radius.  I believe Southwick and Moser use the Green bearings.  There may be different part numbers from these companies for different dimensions for the radius.  I think the basic number is 9507.   So, there might be a Timken with the needed radius.  The Green number is 9507F or RW507E.  
>  
> Dave H. 
> 
> > 
> > >  
> > > 
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 07:34:07 2026
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 14:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] info needed re Southwick Moser axles
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 Thanks guys, great info!Yes I normally use the Timken, but it wouldn't surprise me if they changed spec on the radius at some point; I've had the same problem with Sprite/Midget front hub tapered roller bearings.I'm going to try to get some specs from Moser & I'll order a Green brand bearing & compare to the Timken, & I'll post my findings.This condition is somewhat concerning obviously because if the inner race & press collar aren't hard up against the hub shoulder, the assembly is weakened as a structure, any hub flex load goes directly into the axle bearing inside corner radius, & we all know what happens after that....Thanks again!!!Glen Efinger
    On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 11:32:47 PM EST, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   

   Thanks Joe.   I thought that I had crossed this bridge before.??   I appreciate revisiting these posts.   ?   Dave H.?  
  On 01/19/2026 7:46 PM PST Joe Boruch <jaboruch at yahoo.com> wrote:   ?   ?    ?   There is a thread from 2020 about the bearings. ?Here is what I had posted back then;   "The Moser package that I have, which came with 2 bearings and 2 press on retainers is part number MSR-9507F.? The bearing is an RW507E, 1.377 ID and 2.834 OD.? JoeB"   ?   Here are some other posts from that thread:   ?       The Timken number that I tried using is RW507ER.? Perhaps the Suffix R is the radius designation.? In any event, it doesn't really cross with the Green bearing used for the Moser axle and I could not get a different Timken bearing.? The inner races have a different radius on the i.d.? I alway use Timken, but not this time.? Southwick will also send you Green bearings.? Number RW507E.? 
Dave H.? 
 
Sent from my iPad         
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com> wrote: 
>? 
> Thanks, guys! 
> The seal that failed is not the O-ring. It is the seal in the bearing itself. Gear oil from the differential is slowly working its way into the bearing and diluting the grease, which is getting thrown out onto the brakes. 
> Much appreciate the responses. I had not heard of ?Green? bearings as a brand before. Good to know that the chamfer radii are different from Timken. 
> In googling the part numbers it looks like Moser actually sells the bearing and retainer as a set available from jEGS, Summit, etc. 
> Thanks very much, everyone! And for such fast responses. What a great group! 
> Phil 
>? 
> Sent from my iPhone 
>? 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote: 
>>? 
>> Check the radius of the Timken bearing closely and make sure it will fit, or is larger than the radius on the axle flange before you install it.? Moser axles don't come with Timken bearings.? They come with Green bearings.? The first time I used Timken, I found that the radius of the bearing interferes with the radius of the axle and keeps the bearing from going on as it should.? There was about .015" gap.?? 
>> The numbers on the Green box are 9507F RW507E.? I asked the auto parts guy to get me the Timken cross and when installing it, noticed I could press it on all the way, leaving a gap to the shoulder.? 
>> Dave H.         ?      On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 10:28:22 PM EST, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   ?   ?      Glen,   I should have kept the FoT in the thread.? Important stuff.   I noticed this the first time I changed bearings.? If I remember correctly, Timken, which I prefer, had a smaller radius and it didn't seat all the way.? It was seating down in the radius of the bearing.? Of course I didn't think to check that radius before installing it.? Green and Timken obviously have a different radius.? I believe Southwick and Moser use the Green bearings.? There may be different part numbers from these companies for different dimensions for the radius.? I think the basic number is 9507.? ?So, there might be a Timken with the needed radius.? The Green number is 9507F or RW507E.??   ?   Dave H.?  
        
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 12:53:30 2026
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 19:53:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mike Jackson off the list? OK a new nomination then...
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I would like to nominate my friend Mike Jackson for FoT.He's just a grumpy old retired guy down here in Florida & has been racing his old TR-3 for not quite 40 years now ...Can we get Mike back on the list?Thanks, 
Glen Efinger
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 20 13:04:51 2026
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 14:04:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mike Jackson off the list? OK a new nomination then...
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You'll need to include his e-mail address...

- Tony Drews

On 1/20/2026 1:53 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:
> I would like to nominate my friend Mike Jackson for FoT.
> He's just a grumpy old retired guy down here in Florida & has been 
> racing his old TR-3 for not quite 40 years now EmojiEmojiEmoji...
> Can we get Mike back on the list?
> Thanks,
> Glen Efinger
>
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 13:26:41 2026
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 15:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
Message-ID: <0A107854-7C55-4D6C-8C52-EC1F41C579C9@gmail.com>

Hello all,

In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to the firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank feeds the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.  I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into the top of the tank so that it circulates.  

Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.  In an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.  Does it matter?  What is the collective wisdom?

Here are some pictures to help illustrate.

Thanks,

Chuck

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 13:58:03 2026
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 20:58:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mike Jackson off the list? OK a new nomination then...
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 Yeah Tony I guess that would help...Thanks!Glen
grandwazoo at earthlink.net

    On Tuesday, January 20, 2026 at 03:38:24 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   

  
You'll need to include his e-mail address...
 
- Tony Drews
 On 1/20/2026 1:53 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:
  
 
 I would like to nominate my friend Mike Jackson for FoT. He's just a grumpy old retired guy down here in Florida & has been racing his old TR-3 for not quite 40 years now ... Can we get Mike back on the list? Thanks, 
  Glen Efinger 
   
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Tue Jan 20 14:19:55 2026
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 21:19:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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Chuck, I have mine plumbed the way you mentioned, it really helped with my overheating, then added a new radiator last year and now I have no problems.

Have a Good Day
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck Gee via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2026 3:27 PM
To: of Triumph Friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom

Hello all,

In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to the firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank feeds the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.  I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into the top of the tank so that it circulates.

Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.  In an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.  Does it matter?  What is the collective wisdom?

Here are some pictures to help illustrate.

Thanks,

Chuck
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Tue Jan 20 14:19:44 2026
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 16:19:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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  Chuck,  the header tank setup I have used on GT6's and Spitfires has two
feeds to the top of the tank:  One from the thermostat housing (or top of
the rad), and the other from the rear of the head as you are considering.
To encourage some circulation, the bottom of the header tank should be
plumbed to the suction side of the system:  backside of water pump housing,
or the bottom of the rad.

I mostly use 1/4" lines for this, trying to somewhat limit the amount of
flow to "just enough".





Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 4:13?PM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the
> cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to the
> firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank feeds
> the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.
> I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into
> the top of the tank so that it circulates.
>
> Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.  In
> an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient
> circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.  Does it matter?
> What is the collective wisdom?
>
> Here are some pictures to help illustrate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Tue Jan 20 14:22:31 2026
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 21:22:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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I also put in a peacock on the top of the thermostat, just JB Welded it in, so I can bleed the air out of the system better

Have a Good Day
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
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Erie, PA 16506

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck Gee via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2026 3:27 PM
To: of Triumph Friends <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom

Hello all,

In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to the firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank feeds the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.  I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into the top of the tank so that it circulates.

Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.  In an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.  Does it matter?  What is the collective wisdom?

Here are some pictures to help illustrate.

Thanks,

Chuck
[cid:image001.jpg at 01DC8A28.F9E48420]
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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 15:03:18 2026
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 22:03:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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 Chuck;
That heater core port on the back of the head provides flow to an otherwise blind spot in the head over an exhaust valve. ?On a race car without flow through that port it could lead to early exhaust valve failure. ?The best way to ensure flow is to plumb it to the intake side of the water pump, set up as if there were a heater installed. ?We control the flow by using a 5/16 line, providing some flow but not overly bypassing anything. ?
?Note that blocking that flow on a street-driven engine is OK as the exhaust valve is not overly stressed during street driving compared to what we do on-track!
Hope this helps.
Phil


    On Tuesday, January 20, 2026 at 04:16:51 PM EST, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   

 Hello all,

In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the cooling system on my TR4.? It currently has a header tank mounted to the firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.? This tank feeds the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.? I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into the top of the tank so that it circulates.? 

Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.? In an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.? Does it matter?? What is the collective wisdom?

Here are some pictures to help illustrate.

Thanks,

Chuck


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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 20 15:35:24 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 15:35:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mike Jackson off the list? OK a new nomination then...
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On 1/20/26 12:53 PM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:
> I would like to nominate my friend Mike Jackson for FoT.
> He's just a grumpy old retired guy down here in Florida & has been 
> racing his old TR-3 for not quite 40 years now EmojiEmojiEmoji...
> Can we get Mike back on the list?
> Thanks,
> Glen Efinger

He's on the list.  Mail is getting sent to his address:

   Jan 20 07:47:51 autox postfix/smtp[21291]: B728FA0AE3: 
to=<grandwazoo at earthlink.net>, 
relay=mx03.earthlink-vadesecure.net[51.81.232.218]:25, delay=8.2, 
delays=1.3/0/5.8/1.1, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Message accepted 
with ID d07e9978-188c77c90e0d9a82)
Jan 20 13:16:02 autox postfix/smtp[2277]: 3E432A0C01: 
to=<grandwazoo at earthlink.net>, 
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delays=4.4/0/4.4/0.47, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Message 
accepted with ID 7912397e-188c89b1c9996275)
Jan 20 13:43:36 autox postfix/smtp[18589]: 3CA72A0C00: 
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delays=5.6/0/9/1.2, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Message accepted 
with ID 7559921c-188c8b32c0a96559)
Jan 20 14:28:24 autox postfix/smtp[14491]: 49284A0CB0: 
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If he is not getting the email, there is a problem on his end.

mjb.



From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jan 20 15:47:21 2026
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 16:47:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad idea, but just be aware that 
the water in the head (and block) is at a higher pressure than the water 
in the radiator.? If you have, say, a 12 psi cap on the header tank and 
it's plumbed to the head it may overflow.

We discovered that on Jack's car when he put a radiator cap on top of 
the thermostat housing so he could fill from the high point.? We ended 
up blocking off the overflow there and just using the one on the 
radiator itself for that purpose.? The radiator cap on the t-stat 
housing made filling the car with water a breeze after that.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 1/20/2026 3:19 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote:
>
> Chuck, I have mine plumbed the way you mentioned, it really helped 
> with my overheating, then added a new radiator last year and now I 
> have no problems.
>
> Have a Good Day
>
> Mike
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 3255 West 26^th Street
>
> Erie, PA 16506
>
> Phone: 814-616-8652? ext 100
>
> Fax: 888-865-5279
>
> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com <mailto:mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com>
>
> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally 
> privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If 
> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader 
> is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or 
> other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby 
> instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and 
> destroy this copy of this message.
>
> *From:*Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Chuck Gee via Fot
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2026 3:27 PM
> *To:* of Triumph Friends <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Fot] Collective wisdom
>
> Hello all,
>
> In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the 
> cooling system on my TR4.? It currently has a header tank mounted to 
> the firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.? This tank 
> feeds the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during 
> operation.? I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of 
> the head into the top of the tank so that it circulates.
>
> Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water 
> pump.? In an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be 
> sufficient circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.? 
> Does it matter?? What is the collective wisdom?
>
> Here are some pictures to help illustrate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 16:13:14 2026
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 15:13:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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Hi Chuck,
Here's my setup.  I plumbed the tank in place of the heater.  So it circulates through the tank and back through the water pump housing.
The out going line from the tank passes through the battery box and turns to use the original heater line bulkhead fitting.  
I have never had a cooling issue with this.  My radiator has no filler cap.  I fill the system through the tank.  I have a air bleed petcock on the t-stat housing.  
Photos attached.

Best,
Dave H.
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 16:55:36 2026
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 18:55:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Jan 20 17:05:35 2026
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 19:05:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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This is what has always worked for me. Plug the bypass ports on the 
water pump and thermostat housing. Install a plug in the back of the 
water pump housing for the pipe that fed the heater. The only hose off 
the water pump goes to the bottom of the radiator. Plug the head where 
the fitting goes for the heater, as shown in your picture.

On the TR2-4 engine, it is critical to block a few the coolant passages 
at the front of the head, and restrict the rest. Think tiny freeze 
plugs. Otherwise, the coolant barely circulates around the back of the 
engine, #4 will run significantly hotter than 1 - 3, so hot that 
localized steam bubbles will form. There was a thread on this here many 
years ago.

I used an oversized Griffin aluminum radiator in the 'gone but not 
forgotten' TR4 and the TR250. Runs so cool I have put a 185 degree 
thermostat in the car. The TR3 uses a stock sized Wizard aluminum 
radiator, I run a 165 degree thermostat in that one.

That's it. No header tank, no attempting to get flow out the back of the 
head from the heater port. I do use the petcock on the top of the 
thermostat housing trick to help bleed the system, that proved to be a 
nice addition to effectively fill the system with no drama.

Henry Frye
2026 KCup chair - Return to Mosport

On 2026-01-20 15:26, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the
> cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to
> the firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank
> feeds the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during
> operation.  I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of
> the head into the top of the tank so that it circulates.
> 
> Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.
>  In an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be
> sufficient circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.
> Does it matter?  What is the collective wisdom?
> 
> Here are some pictures to help illustrate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 17:15:13 2026
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 00:15:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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 I do not have a header tank, so I cannot help you with plumbing of that. ?I welded a fill port to the top of my thermostat housing (see attached pic). ?It is the highest point on my cooling system. ?I also have a 4AN line from the heater hose port and the back of the head running up to the tsat by-pass port on the tstat housing. ?The fitting for the 4AN line is restricted down to 1/8 inch. ?This is to allow for venting and a small amount of circulation from the back of the head. ?JoeB


    On Tuesday, January 20, 2026 at 04:35:01 PM EST, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hello all,

In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the cooling system on my TR4.? It currently has a header tank mounted to the firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.? This tank feeds the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.? I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into the top of the tank so that it circulates.? 

Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.? In an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.? Does it matter?? What is the collective wisdom?

Here are some pictures to help illustrate.

Thanks,

Chuck


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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 18:11:14 2026
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 19:11:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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Chuck

I have mine plumbed in from the back of the water pump housing using the
OEM pipe, through the same tank in the same location and flows through to
the back of the head. I have to use at least a 21-23 lb cap on it. I run an
overflow line from the neck to a small catch bottle where the washer bottle
was located. Works great except when it doesn't, and then the
overflow bottle starts spraying smelling water at me.

Bob

On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 6:55?PM Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad idea, but just be aware that the
> water in the head (and block) is at a higher pressure than the water in the
> radiator.  If you have, say, a 12 psi cap on the header tank and it's
> plumbed to the head it may overflow.
>
> We discovered that on Jack's car when he put a radiator cap on top of the
> thermostat housing so he could fill from the high point.  We ended up
> blocking off the overflow there and just using the one on the radiator
> itself for that purpose.  The radiator cap on the t-stat housing made
> filling the car with water a breeze after that.
>
> Cheers, Tony Drews
> On 1/20/2026 3:19 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote:
>
> Chuck, I have mine plumbed the way you mentioned, it really helped with my
> overheating, then added a new radiator last year and now I have no problems.
>
>
>
> Have a Good Day
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 3255 West 26th Street
>
> Erie, PA 16506
>
>
>
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
>
> Fax:        888-865-5279
>
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
>
>
>
> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck Gee via Fot
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2026 3:27 PM
> *To:* of Triumph Friends <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Fot] Collective wisdom
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the
> cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to the
> firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank feeds
> the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.
> I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into
> the top of the tank so that it circulates.
>
> Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.  In
> an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient
> circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.  Does it matter?
> What is the collective wisdom?
>
> Here are some pictures to help illustrate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 19:17:44 2026
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 20:17:44 -0600
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This is the radiator I use. It's a shorter version of the circle track
radiator and it can stand up straight. Easy to mount just forward of the
stock mounts with strap style brackets. Solved my Texas cooling issues. You
will need to buy some conversion hoses for the bottom outlet.

[image: image.png]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 7:48?PM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ditto on the header tank setup. Since implementing  this I have blown zero
> head gaskets (14 years) .
>
>  Difference in my system is I use a common cross flow radiator design
> available from many different suppliers. I loosely followed Tony?s write up
> on this radiator adaptation.
> Greg
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2026, at 17:13, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I also put in a peacock on the top of the thermostat, just JB Welded it
> in, so I can bleed the air out of the system better
>
>
>
> Have a Good Day
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 3255 West 26th Street
>
> Erie, PA 16506
>
>
>
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
>
> Fax:        888-865-5279
>
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Chuck Gee via Fot
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2026 3:27 PM
> *To:* of Triumph Friends <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Fot] Collective wisdom
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the
> cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to the
> firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank feeds
> the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.
> I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into
> the top of the tank so that it circulates.
>
> Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.  In
> an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient
> circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.  Does it matter?
> What is the collective wisdom?
>
> Here are some pictures to help illustrate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
>
>
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Tue Jan 20 19:37:14 2026
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 21:37:14 -0500
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An overflow tank does not flow.
A header tank or surge tank does flow, and helps burp any steam or air
pockets that are trapped in the engine.

Two different approaches.  I prefer the latter, but many are successfully
running the simpler overflow tank setup.


Jason Sukey
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 9:12?PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?ve never understood overflow tanks to need ?flow?. Plz correct me if I?m
> wrong, but i thought they were there just to provide for the expansion and
> contraction of coolant when heated, etc
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2026, at 6:31?PM, vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Chuck;
>
> That heater core port on the back of the head provides flow to an
> otherwise blind spot in the head over an exhaust valve.  On a race car
> without flow through that port it could lead to early exhaust valve
> failure.  The best way to ensure flow is to plumb it to the intake side of
> the water pump, set up as if there were a heater installed.  We control the
> flow by using a 5/16 line, providing some flow but not overly bypassing
> anything.
>
>  Note that blocking that flow on a street-driven engine is OK as the
> exhaust valve is not overly stressed during street driving compared to what
> we do on-track!
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 20, 2026 at 04:16:51 PM EST, Chuck Gee via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> In an effort to constantly improve the car, I?ve been looking at the
> cooling system on my TR4.  It currently has a header tank mounted to the
> firewall that functions as the high spot in the system.  This tank feeds
> the top of the radiator but doesn?t really circulate during operation.
> I?ve been thinking of plumbing the feed off of the back of the head into
> the top of the tank so that it circulates.
>
> Normally this rear head feed is plumbed to the back of the water pump.  In
> an exercise of overthinking, I?m not sure if there will be sufficient
> circulation since the tank is plumbed to the radiator.  Does it matter?
> What is the collective wisdom?
>
> Here are some pictures to help illustrate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 06:31:45 2026
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 08:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Collective wisdom
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From mzbarsky at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 11:39:10 2026
From: mzbarsky at yahoo.com (Michael Zbarsky)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 18:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph 2000 race car for sale
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Just putting this back out there. It needs to find a new home. Reach out to me via email if you are remotely interested or have any suggestions on where and how to sell this unique race car. All feedback much appreciated!?
Thanks,?Michael?

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  On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 7:32 p.m., Michael Zbarsky<mzbarsky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Hi FOT, just in time for Christmas..
1967 Triumph 2000 MK1 Racecar?Triumph 2.5L straight 6 engine (currently stock for street use) and 4-speed manual transmission.This is the perfect platform for vintage racing including Trans Am 2.5 and B-Sedan and has raced with VARA, SVRA, SOVREN and VRCBC. Also a good candidate for historic rally. Full roll cage, race seat, fire suppression, accusump, aluminum radiator with electric fan, fuel cell, Toyota solid rear axle with open and welded diffs.Comes with VARA log book, BC road registration and previous Oregon title. Located in Delta, British Columbia, close to US border. Enjoy as a street hot rod, rally it or return to track duty. Could easily be re-imported back to USA and seller can assist with arranging shipping and customs brokerage. Asking $16,500 CAD, ($12K USD) including spare parts, respectful offers considered. For further information and photos, please contact Michael at mzbarsky at yahoo.com













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From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 13:35:24 2026
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 14:35:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Michael's Triumph 2000
Message-ID: <CAC5qWeDxuCXOQzx8_GgyAA5eP7AfBUqzeXyE7_0b_puA8u=ohw@mail.gmail.com>

Perfect racer to join the B-sedan fun at SOVRENs Historics in July!
Definitely would be cool to see a Triumph among all the 510s and '02s in
the Hoosier 2.5 Challenge.

https://sovrenracing.org/pacific-northwest-historics/

From: Michael Zbarsky <mzbarsky at yahoo.com>
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 18:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph 2000 race car for sale
Just putting this back out there. It needs to find a new home. Reach out to
me via email if you are remotely interested or have any suggestions on
where and how to sell this unique race car. All feedback much appreciated!

Thanks,
Michael

Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer

On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 7:32 p.m., Michael Zbarsky
<mzbarsky at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi FOT, just in time for Christmas..

1967 Triumph 2000 MK1 Racecar
Triumph 2.5L straight 6 engine (currently stock for street use) and 4-speed
manual transmission.
This is the perfect platform for vintage racing including Trans Am 2.5 and
B-Sedan and has raced with VARA, SVRA, SOVREN and VRCBC. Also a good
candidate for historic rally. Full roll cage, race seat, fire suppression,
accusump, aluminum radiator with electric fan, fuel cell, Toyota solid rear
axle with open and welded diffs.
Comes with VARA log book, BC road registration and previous Oregon title.
Located in Delta, British Columbia, close to US border. Enjoy as a street
hot rod, rally it or return to track duty. Could easily be re-imported back
to USA and seller can assist with arranging shipping and customs brokerage.
Asking $16,500 CAD, ($12K USD) including spare parts, respectful offers
considered. For further information and photos, please contact Michael at
mzbarsky at yahoo.com
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jan 23 15:17:35 2026
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 22:17:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.  Is 12 feet necessary?

Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived egregiousness of eyesore...

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 15:24:52 2026
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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Hi Scott, you will want 12? for a lift. Currently part way through a build; wall height 11? but also using scissor trusses to have a 15? peak, more than enough for a 2 post list. I figure it?s 2 TR?s tall end to end. LOL. I think you can do 10? if you have some scissor trusses, you will appreciate the extra height.Hope that helps!Dave G


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If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?? With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.? Is 12 feet necessary?
 
 ?
 
Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived egregiousness of eyesore?
 
 ?
 
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Fri Jan 23 15:37:32 2026
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 17:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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Scott,


Go at least 12ft.

My dad's shop is 11ft.  I left some marks on his ceiling with my GT6 bonnet
when using his 4 post years ago.   I'm not sure if he knows about it,  so
shhhhh.  :-D



If you are building from scratch, pour plenty of concrete to have the
option to install a 2 post lift.  I much prefer working under a 2 post.





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wrote:

> If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a
> 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of
> interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of
> Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.
> Is 12 feet necessary?
>
>
>
> Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived
> egregiousness of eyesore?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 16:43:17 2026
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 17:43:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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Scott

I built a 30x40 with 10 foot walls and a 10x10 roll up door centered in the
front.  I have a 2 post in the forward 20" and a 4 post straight behind it,
although that one is portable. I've had pickup trucks and a Land Rover on
my lift, although that is rare. If I was doing a narrower shop I would have
had to go to 12' walls and pay the extra. I, do wish I had done 10' more
depth.

Bob

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:31?PM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a
> 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of
> interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of
> Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.
> Is 12 feet necessary?
>
>
>
> Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived
> egregiousness of eyesore?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 17:00:21 2026
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2026 00:00:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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 About 10 years ago I put an extension onto my barn designed by Dan Ferguson (whom some of you may know as a vintage MGA racer). ?We did it 25 feet wide and 44 feet long, 12-1/2 foot ceiling. ?Dimensions were dictated by proportions to the existing structure.) Hindsight says it should have been about 4 feet wider to give me an extra foot or two on each side of the car. ?It has two four post lifts for storage and a 2-post for service. ?As someone pointed out earlier, even at 12-1/2 feet I need to make sure I close the hoods of some cars before lifting the cars to max height. ?I find the four posters are better for service on my Jag and TR due to the low ground clearance of the cars coupled with an ancient two post lift (likely older than my 4A), unless of course I am doing suspension or brake work. ?Footings under the two poster uprights are 10" thick. ?The entire floor area is at least 4" thick with a wire mesh reinforcement, 4000 pound concrete.
Two very valuable tips from Grassroots Motorsports: 1) put all storage somewhere other than your garage area and workshop. ?Storage has a way of taking over space. 2) put as much as possible on wheels so it can be readily moved. ?
Happy Planning!
Phil ?    On Friday, January 23, 2026 at 05:26:03 PM EST, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   

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If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?? With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.? Is 12 feet necessary?
 
 ?
 
Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived egregiousness of eyesore?
 
 ?
 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Fri Jan 23 18:13:44 2026
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (gblake58tr3 at icloud.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2026 01:13:44 +0000
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I too have a 30ish' x 40' footprint. Mine is a little different than Bob's as it is a single slope roof partially tucked up under our house. I have just enough height where my lift is to put the TR3 at full lift height with the bonnet open. If I put a tow vehicle (suburban or truck) I would not be able to lift it to the max lift height. I think the bottom of the roof purlins are about 14' off the slab where my lift is located.

Build as big as you can from the get go, it will never be enough space, and it will never be cheaper
Minimum  10' interior clear ceiling height, but go with 12' if you want any of your lifts near the low point

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To: Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop building thoughts

Scott

I built a 30x40 with 10 foot walls and a 10x10 roll up door centered in the front.  I have a 2 post in the forward 20" and a 4 post straight behind it, although that one is portable. I've had pickup trucks and a Land Rover on my lift, although that is rare. If I was doing a narrower shop I would have had to go to 12' walls and pay the extra. I, do wish I had done 10' more depth.

Bob

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:31?PM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.  Is 12 feet necessary?



Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived egregiousness of eyesore?



Scott (B.)

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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Jan 23 18:36:00 2026
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 20:36:00 -0500
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From brakey6666 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 18:39:02 2026
From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 20:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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I agree with Scotts assessment.
We built a 30x40 barn with 14 foot ceiling with an asymmetrical lift . We
could lift almost anything.
Times change and we sold the house and barn with the great space.
Instead we ended up on a lake shore lot and could only built a 22x26'
detached work shop.
I planned to use a vaulted ceiling that at the peak was at 11 foot.
Works well for all the sports cars I restore but larger vehicles have
issues fitting.
I did many frame offs on 2 BMW E10 2002's and currently finishing a frame
off on a 1968 TR250.
Purchased an portable lift but still able to lift at full height depending
on the vehicle.
Glenn Franco
TR6, TR250 BMW 2002, Sold MGTC, Miata, Suzuki Samurai

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 7:45?PM vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> About 10 years ago I put an extension onto my barn designed by Dan
> Ferguson (whom some of you may know as a vintage MGA racer).  We did it 25
> feet wide and 44 feet long, 12-1/2 foot ceiling.  Dimensions were dictated
> by proportions to the existing structure.) Hindsight says it should have
> been about 4 feet wider to give me an extra foot or two on each side of the
> car.  It has two four post lifts for storage and a 2-post for service.  As
> someone pointed out earlier, even at 12-1/2 feet I need to make sure I
> close the hoods of some cars before lifting the cars to max height.  I find
> the four posters are better for service on my Jag and TR due to the low
> ground clearance of the cars coupled with an ancient two post lift (likely
> older than my 4A), unless of course I am doing suspension or brake work.
> Footings under the two poster uprights are 10" thick.  The entire floor
> area is at least 4" thick with a wire mesh reinforcement, 4000 pound
> concrete.
>
> Two very valuable tips from Grassroots Motorsports: 1) put all storage
> somewhere other than your garage area and workshop.  Storage has a way of
> taking over space. 2) put as much as possible on wheels so it can be
> readily moved.
>
> Happy Planning!
>
> Phil
> On Friday, January 23, 2026 at 05:26:03 PM EST, Barr, Scott via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a
> 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of
> interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of
> Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.
> Is 12 feet necessary?
>
>
>
> Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived
> egregiousness of eyesore?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 19:39:26 2026
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 18:39:26 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan 23 19:44:16 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 19:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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On 1/23/26 6:13 PM, gblake58tr3--- via Fot wrote:
> 
> Build as big as you can from the get go, it will never be enough space, 
> and it will never be cheaper

Shortly after we got our house in 1986, we had the old garage replaced. 
Went about as big as we could given the lot size.  I wake up one morning 
to the sounds of a crew getting the forms finished for the pouring of 
the slab.  I amble out there, take a look and start yelling "Stop!  Stop!"

The foreman comes over to chat, and I tell him the slab is too small, it 
is supposed to be 20 feet wide and 24 feet deep.  He huffs and puffs and 
says he is following the blueprints, he is right, the crew built the 
form exactly as they should have, and so on.  He says "Let's go look at 
the plans and I'll show you."  We walk to his truck, he gets out the 
plans, looks at them a moment, quickly rolls them up and says "Let's go 
take another look."

Turns out the specs did NOT say "20 feet by 24 feet" but something like 
the depth of the old garage by the depth plus 4 feet, something weird 
like that.  By this time the truck is there pouring cement.  He then has 
his crew build more forms, adding 2 feet per side and 4 feet to the 
rear, making it 20 x 24.  So another truck came by the next day and 
poured the outside extensions.

So if you are ever in my garage and look at the seams in the floor, you 
will know why they are the way they are.

mjb.



From mjkurtz051 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 20:25:50 2026
From: mjkurtz051 at gmail.com (Michael Kurtz)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 22:25:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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Scott (B)

To appease your wife, consider what I did, build it with a reverse 
dormer and the shop can become more attractive than an average 
garage/shop.? I have an 11 foot door with my 2 post lift on the left 
side (open to the roof) and on the right side, a standard door for one 
story usage with a second floor wood shop above it. It is pole barn 
construction.? ?(Photo Attached)

Jason is correct with the concrete for the lift. They recommend at least 
6" in the area of the 2 post lift.

Mike Kurtz
TR6 & 2500 M TVR




On 1/23/2026 5:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>
> If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 
> 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort 
> of interior height/wall height would you go for?? With our collection 
> of Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 
> feet.? Is 12 feet necessary?
>
> Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the 
> perceived egregiousness of eyesore?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Jan 26 10:17:22 2026
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2026 17:17:22 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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Great reference to the GRM insights!


From: vfracing at aol.com <vfracing at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2026 6:00 PM
To: of Triumph Friends <fot at autox.team.net>; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop building thoughts

About 10 years ago I put an extension onto my barn designed by Dan Ferguson (whom some of you may know as a vintage MGA racer).  We did it 25 feet wide and 44 feet long, 12-1/2 foot ceiling.  Dimensions were dictated by proportions to the existing structure.) Hindsight says it should have been about 4 feet wider to give me an extra foot or two on each side of the car.  It has two four post lifts for storage and a 2-post for service.  As someone pointed out earlier, even at 12-1/2 feet I need to make sure I close the hoods of some cars before lifting the cars to max height.  I find the four posters are better for service on my Jag and TR due to the low ground clearance of the cars coupled with an ancient two post lift (likely older than my 4A), unless of course I am doing suspension or brake work.  Footings under the two poster uprights are 10" thick.  The entire floor area is at least 4" thick with a wire mesh reinforcement, 4000 pound concrete.

Two very valuable tips from Grassroots Motorsports: 1) put all storage somewhere other than your garage area and workshop.  Storage has a way of taking over space. 2) put as much as possible on wheels so it can be readily moved.

Happy Planning!

Phil
On Friday, January 23, 2026 at 05:26:03 PM EST, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:



If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.  Is 12 feet necessary?



Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived egregiousness of eyesore?



Scott (B.)
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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 11:27:07 2026
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2026 13:27:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Shop building thoughts
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 14:32:11 2026
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2026 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Southwick axle/bearing follow-up
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Hi all-?This is a follow-up to myrecent post re TR-4/4 southwick axle specs & bearing fitting.Apparently this was discussed around 5years ago but I missed it, so I'm posting it again for those unawareof it.The problem is that most of thereplacement bearings don't fit, including the chicom Timkens.The corner radius of the inner race ismuch smaller than the axle journal radius, where the inner race buttsup against the axle shoulder, preventing the bearing race frompressing fully home.This effectively weakens the axle sinceall of the stresses remain in the axle inside corner radius, insteadof being distributed into the hub.I measured a RW507ER Timken, National &unknown chicom bearing & all had a small radius.The only bearing that actually fits isthe 9507F ?small ford? bearing from Moser, unknown manufacturer.The photo below clearly shows that theMoser bearing inner race is relieved/clearanced out in the last ? inch or sobefore the radius, so the bearing presses fully home as intended.BTW this is easily checked w/a feelergauge, there should be NO clearance between the inner race & axleshoulder.
And many THANKS to those who respondedto my post!

Glen Efinger

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 27 14:41:05 2026
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2026 22:41:05 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Southwick axle/bearing follow-up
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As a work around.

Put the race on a lathe and grind out radius to fit.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of fubog1 via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2026 10:32 PM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Southwick axle/bearing follow-up

 

Hi all- 

This is a follow-up to my recent post re TR-4/4 southwick axle specs & bearing fitting.

Apparently this was discussed around 5 years ago but I missed it, so I'm posting it again for those unaware of it.

The problem is that most of the replacement bearings don't fit, including the chicom Timkens.

The corner radius of the inner race is much smaller than the axle journal radius, where the inner race butts up against the axle shoulder, preventing the bearing race from pressing fully home.

This effectively weakens the axle since all of the stresses remain in the axle inside corner radius, instead of being distributed into the hub.

I measured a RW507ER Timken, National & unknown chicom bearing & all had a small radius.

The only bearing that actually fits is the 9507F ?small ford? bearing from Moser, unknown manufacturer.

The photo below clearly shows that the Moser bearing inner race is relieved/clearanced out in the last ? inch or so before the radius, so the bearing presses fully home as intended.

BTW this is easily checked w/a feeler gauge, there should be NO clearance between the inner race & axle shoulder.

And many THANKS to those who responded to my post!

Glen Efinger

 

Moser on left

representative of the other 3 right

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Jan 29 08:14:17 2026
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2026 10:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] NOS JRT Run-offs T.shirts
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Hi FOT list. For several years we printed the FOT? "event T.shirts" and 
always donated a portion of the sale proceeds to Mark Bradakis to help 
fund his incredible list(s). We were part of British Leyland/Jaguar 
Rover Triumph competition operation for several years.? The last year 
JRT participated in the 'SCCA "Run-Offs" as a factory presence was 1981 
(which was also the last year of Triumph). British Leyland/JRT always 
supplied T.shirts for the competitors. We have a few of these new shirts 
from1981.? These are for sale. 1/2 the proceeds will go to Mark.? 
Primarily size L with a few XL. Pictures attached.? Once these are gone, 
I will list other BL/JRT shirts we have from earlier Run-offs and do the 
same with the sale proceeds. Price is $25 + $10 for shipping.? Your 
chance to own a piece of history. Cash, checks, credit card (no Amex).? 
Thanks in advance. Ted

-- 
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 12:29:34 2026
From: lymanazhd at yahoo.com (Lyman Scherer)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 12:29:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Title of 2026 event
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Is there a year of the VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport! 
ie: Lime Rock ?43rd? Historic Festival ?. would like to have t-shirt be correct! Couldn?t find info.. Cheers

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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jan 30 13:14:52 2026
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:14:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Title of 2026 event
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Love the car graphic. Who did the artwork? I want one like that for my GT6!
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2026, at 3:02?PM, Lyman Scherer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is there a year of the VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport!
> ie: Lime Rock ?43rd? Historic Festival ?. would like to have t-shirt be correct! Couldn?t find info.. Cheers
> 
> <Screenshot 2026-01-30 at 8.48.14?AM.png>
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 13:26:30 2026
From: lymanazhd at yahoo.com (Scherer Lyman)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 20:26:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Title of 2026 event
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 We have a local 'Phx AZ' artist that has been doing 100's of pieces, race car graphics, shop signage, crew gear and more for past 27 years!The car art was by an online 'cartoon' company.. not much $$$... artist is expensive though!
    On Friday, January 30, 2026 at 01:15:05 PM MST, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:  
 
 Love the car graphic. Who did the artwork? I want one like that for my GT6!
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2026, at 3:02?PM, Lyman Scherer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is there a year of the VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at Mosport!
> ie: Lime Rock ?43rd? Historic Festival ?. would like to have t-shirt be correct! Couldn?t find info.. Cheers
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Jan 30 16:00:03 2026
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 18:00:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Title of 2026 event
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 16:08:25 2026
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 16:08:25 -0700
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