[Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
Peter Dzwig
pdzwig at summaventures.com
Sun Oct 9 17:05:40 MDT 2022
Josef,
I live in England and have driven widely across much of western Europe,
including France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy. I drive regularly
down country lanes with deep ditches and walls. So by your criteria I
*can* comment.
I have to say that I am appalled and that yours is one of the most crass
and unfeeling comments that I have ever heard. That could have happened
to any one of us on the list. We should all be grateful that it wasn't
us, regardless of age.
I have tried to make allowance for the fact that English is not your
mother tongue and am well aware of differences of expression and
directness throughout Europe. Nonetheless your remark lacks common humanity.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, but should know when to keep
it to yourself.
Now let's get back to Healeys!
Peter
On 07/10/2022 07:38, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote:
> Please only comment if you know the traffic situation here in Central
> Europe. I also do not allow myself
> to make any statements about the situation in the USA or Canada. We live
> here in narrow conurbations
> and the traffic on country roads should not be underestimated. Places
> are usually a maximum of 10km apart.
>
> The next time you are in Europe, drive a car on our European country
> roads or motorways and you will
> find that the traffic situations and road conditions are completely
> different than in a country as
> large as the USA or Canada. As a driver, you are quickly overwhelmed if
> you are not used to it.
> Unfortunately, we have a lot of older people here who can no longer cope
> with this traffic situation
> and are extremely dangerous to themselves and their environment. In our
> area we have accidents like
> this every month. And this described accident is typical. There is
> nothing wrong with being able to
> drive a car as an older person. However, the accident described is the
> typical accident without
> external influence - probably a health weakness caused by being
> overwhelmed, as we often have here.
> Unfortunately, bystanders are often injured or even fatally injured in
> an accident.
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> PS: Those from the US who are commng over to the European Healey Event
> 2023 (Geiranger) may realise, they need to drive in different situations
> as they are used to, at least when passing Belgium, The Netherlands,
> France, Germany, Denmark.
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> Datum: 2022-10-07T00:31:18+0200
>
> Von: "David Nock BCS" <healeydoc at sbcglobal.net>
>
> An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>, "Jim Ryan"
> <ryan at jimryan.com>
>
> So I assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of the
> accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to
> avoid it, or maybe there was a mechanical failure.
> Are you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your
> physical health.
> If you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age that
> everyone has to stop driving and see how far that goes
> I know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe drivers.
> David Nock
> *From:* josef-eckert--- via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM
> *To:* Jim Ryan
> *Cc:* Forum Healey
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> Yes, please forward my comment to his family.
>
> This person hasn´t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other
> people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians,
> which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live and be not
> hurt by such a person.
>
> Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200
>
> Von: "Jim Ryan" <ryan at jimryan.com>
>
> An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
>
> Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward that to his family just
> so they know how you feel about him. When exactly is it you think we
> should all stop driving? Is it 75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get
> your advice on what age I'm endangering other people.
> That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this list.
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82
> years old fart who brought others in danger with his driving.
> Thankfully no other person was invoved and injured.
>
> Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches,
> trees or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it.
>
> For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure
> raĺlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to
> come from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those
> mainly elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with
> their money, even they are completely overextended by driving an old
> classic car.
>
> One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more
> capable to drive.
>
> I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.
> Josef Eckert
> konigswinter/GERMANY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
> Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200
>
> Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
>
> An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael--
>
>
>
> Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks.
>
> I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road,
> somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's
> front yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we
> cleared the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the
> car and took off without much conversation.
>
>
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> "all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches."
>
> Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up
> on the Targa there.
>
>
>
> M
>
> On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys,
> <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside,
> but they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open
> drainage ditches.
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if
> this is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey
> Association members are on in Europe at this moment.
>
>
>
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Randy
> Hicks via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM
> To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
>
>
>
> Awful.
>
>
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/
> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/>
>
>
>
>
> Randy
>
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