[Healeys] 100M Back on BaT

[Bob Spidell]

I haven't paid much attention to BaT, except to check out interesting 
Healeys that come up and I only created an account to comment on this 
car. But, from what I've seen I think it's a little fishy that a couple 
large bids--$50K and $75K ($75K should be top dollar for this car 
IMO)--came in fairly quickly. From watching a few auctions it seemed 
there would be a few lowball bids, then a few more would work the price 
up but the serious would-be buyers would wait and watch then throw a 
potentially winning bid in at the last few minutes, if not the last few 
seconds. What do they call it when a seller's buddies throw in a large 
bids to gin up apparent interest; 'shill bidding?'

It appears the seller is working on a "You didn't read the fine print 
(watch the video); it's on you" defense. I'm still surprised Bill 
certified this as an M;  'LeMans conversion' probably would have been 
more appropriate.

Bob

On 12/27/2023 9:49 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially 
> knew about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really 
> doesn't have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can 
> understand to a point that he might be trying to even convince himself 
> that it might be more than it actually is. But how he has represented 
> it after receiving a good assessment,  just sits a bit wrong with me.
>
> Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. 
> But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M 
> cam was installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) 
> being so carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it 
> look legit.
>
> And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of 
> it really matters. It is a sharp looking car.
>
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a 
> test drive."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* bspidell at comcast.net <bspidell at comcast.net>; 
> healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what 
> to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and 
> possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or 
> was it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's 
> probably some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, 
> I can't help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The 
> Healey Lawyer" columns in the /Marque?/
> /
> /
> /Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"/
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41 AM S and T Miller 
> <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some
>     doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a
>     combination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the
>     one who showed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to
>     use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1 chassis,  and I replied
>     that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That everything
>     points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.
>     Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows
>     the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is
>     on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in
>     later. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the
>     front frame extensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll,
>     so probably not.
>
>     I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
>     misrepresented to him,  but I kinda feel not so great about his
>     representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.
>
>     Message: 2
>     Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
>     From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
>     To: healeys at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
>     Message-ID: <229b7fa6-3b3a-4221-b587-227de3ae0c2b at comcast.net>
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>
>     The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the text, but buried
>     in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). It
>     appears to
>     me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently
>     with BaT's blessing
>
>     The Millers
>
>     "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
>     test drive."
>
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