From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 03:07:15 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:07:15 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2F7C9.815B80E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie ... if you get this message please reply. I'm testing out this mailing list. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2F7C9.815B80E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jamie ... if you = get this=20 message please reply.  I'm testing out this mailing=20 list.
 
Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2F7C9.815B80E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 03:11:47 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:11:47 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C2F7CA.23D596D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is Bob again ... message came to me anyway ... -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] Sent: March 31, 2003 9:07 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List Jamie ... if you get this message please reply. I'm testing out this mailing list. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C2F7CA.23D596D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is Bob again=20 ... message came to me anyway ...
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]
Sent: March 31, 2003 = 9:07=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] This = is a=20 test message JONAT Mailing List

Jamie ... if you = get this=20 message please reply.  I'm testing out this mailing=20 list.
 
Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C2F7CA.23D596D0-- From engl@jonat.org Tue Apr 1 03:39:10 2003 From: engl@jonat.org (engl@jonat.org) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:39:10 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C2F7CD.F6F198E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the testing mail Jamie / Fazal ... you can delete those messages once you've read 'em ... -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] Sent: March 31, 2003 9:12 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List This is Bob again ... message came to me anyway ... -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] Sent: March 31, 2003 9:07 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List Jamie ... if you get this message please reply. I'm testing out this mailing list. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C2F7CD.F6F198E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for the=20 testing mail Jamie / Fazal ... you can delete those messages once you've = read=20 'em ...
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Sent: March 31, 2003 = 9:12=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] = This is a=20 test message JONAT Mailing List

This is Bob=20 again ... message came to me anyway ...
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]
Sent: March 31, 2003 = 9:07=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] = This is a=20 test message JONAT Mailing List

Jamie ... if = you get this=20 message please reply.  I'm testing out this mailing=20 list.
 
Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C2F7CD.F6F198E0-- From BENGLAND@cochrane-group.ca Tue Apr 1 04:26:46 2003 From: BENGLAND@cochrane-group.ca (Bob England) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:26:46 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] Test Message Message-ID: Another test ... I'll get this thing working yet ! Bob From jamie@jonat.org Tue Apr 1 11:51:38 2003 From: jamie@jonat.org (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:51:38 -0800 Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List References: Message-ID: <01c001c2f845$0e96f040$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C2F801.FF997CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got it Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List Jamie ... if you get this message please reply. I'm testing out this = mailing list. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C2F801.FF997CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got it
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net=
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 = 7:07=20 PM
Subject: [JONAT] This is a test = message=20 JONAT Mailing List

Jamie ... if you = get this=20 message please reply.  I'm testing out this mailing=20 list.
 
Bob
------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C2F801.FF997CE0-- From jamie@jonat.org Tue Apr 1 11:52:00 2003 From: jamie@jonat.org (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:52:00 -0800 Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List References: Message-ID: <01ca01c2f845$1b5b5f00$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C2F802.0C5DEBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List This is Bob again ... message came to me anyway ... -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] Sent: March 31, 2003 9:07 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing List Jamie ... if you get this message please reply. I'm testing out = this mailing list. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C2F802.0C5DEBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yup
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 = 7:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] This is a = test=20 message JONAT Mailing List

This is Bob=20 again ... message came to me anyway ...
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]
Sent: March 31, 2003 = 9:07=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 [JONAT] This is a test message JONAT Mailing = List

Jamie ... if = you get this=20 message please reply.  I'm testing out this mailing=20 list.
 
Bob
------=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C2F802.0C5DEBA0-- From engl@jonat.org Tue Apr 1 18:42:57 2003 From: engl@jonat.org (Bob) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:42:57 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List In-Reply-To: <02a901c2f850$925dfb20$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Its not an e-mail address. Its a mail list like you see on Jaglovers. Its a little different than the JagBoard forum, as it uses e-mail for communications rather than a bulletin board. Bob |-----Original Message----- | |Bob? I don't really understand the reasoning for another email |account. If |this presents itself as a web based forum format, I don't see how at this |moment. It just seems to be another email address to me. And I don't need |another email address to check. | |What am I missing here? | |Jamie Duffey |JONAT Executive Committee |http://www.jonat.org/ From engl@jonat.org Tue Apr 1 18:57:49 2003 From: engl@jonat.org (Bob) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:57:49 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As a follow-up to my last note, the way it is set up right now, by sending this one e-mail to jonat@autox.team.net both yourself and Fazal get a copy of this note. If you extend this thought to the SC's, you can see by sending an e-mail to one address, this one address sends it to everyone else on the list. And it archives the messages as well. Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Bob |Sent: April 1, 2003 12:43 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List | | |Its not an e-mail address. Its a mail list like you see on Jaglovers. Its |a little different than the JagBoard forum, as it uses e-mail for |communications rather than a bulletin board. Bob | ||-----Original Message----- || ||Bob? I don't really understand the reasoning for another email ||account. If ||this presents itself as a web based forum format, I don't see how at this ||moment. It just seems to be another email address to me. And I |don't need ||another email address to check. || ||What am I missing here? || ||Jamie Duffey ||JONAT Executive Committee ||http://www.jonat.org/ | |_______________________________________________ |JONAT mailing list |JONAT@autox.team.net |http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat | From engl@jonat.org Wed Apr 2 00:20:42 2003 From: engl@jonat.org (Bob) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:20:42 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List In-Reply-To: <002901c2f882$cd1f1b40$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: right and right again ... |-----Original Message----- |From: Jamie - JONAT [mailto:jamie@jonat.org] |Sent: April 1, 2003 1:14 PM |To: Bob |Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List | | |Oh, so everybody gets every post then? Great! | |And it uses our standard email address than, right? | |Great! | |Okay then, I'm in! | |Jamie Duffey From engl@jonat.org Wed Apr 2 00:23:51 2003 From: engl@jonat.org (Bob) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:23:51 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List In-Reply-To: <004101c2f885$71761ca0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Yes its 100% like the Jaglovers lists. Its just not on Jaglovers. I've only set up the one mailbox list. If I could make a suggestion, lets use this list for the SC's. I can see if I can set up another one for the EC. Howz this sound? Fazal - any thoughts? Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: Jamie - JONAT [mailto:jamie@jonat.org] |Sent: April 1, 2003 1:32 PM |To: Bob |Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List | | |So it pops into my "jonat" mail just like the J-L Lists I'm subscribed to |pop into my nwjag account right? | |Awesome! Can this be set up to work at the EC and a separate SC List? (Or |did you already mention that?) |Cause if it can we can of course "cross-post" like from EC and SC |if we need |to cover both. much like I have with the Pub and XJ at times, right? | |Jamie Duffey |JONAT Executive Committee |http://www.jonat.org/ | From jamie@jonat.org Wed Apr 2 19:37:28 2003 From: jamie@jonat.org (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:37:28 -0800 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List References: Message-ID: <008901c2f94f$60026ee0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Works for me! Make it so! (Star Trek: the next gen) Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > Yes its 100% like the Jaglovers lists. Its just not on Jaglovers. > > I've only set up the one mailbox list. If I could make a suggestion, lets > use this list for the SC's. I can see if I can set up another one for the > EC. > > Howz this sound? Fazal - any thoughts? > > Bob > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Jamie - JONAT [mailto:jamie@jonat.org] > |Sent: April 1, 2003 1:32 PM > |To: Bob > |Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > | > | > |So it pops into my "jonat" mail just like the J-L Lists I'm subscribed to > |pop into my nwjag account right? > | > |Awesome! Can this be set up to work at the EC and a separate SC List? (Or > |did you already mention that?) > |Cause if it can we can of course "cross-post" like from EC and SC > |if we need > |to cover both. much like I have with the Pub and XJ at times, right? > | > |Jamie Duffey > |JONAT Executive Committee > |http://www.jonat.org/ > | > > _______________________________________________ > JONAT mailing list > JONAT@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat > From engl@jonat.org Wed Apr 2 20:31:54 2003 From: engl@jonat.org (Bob) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:31:54 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List In-Reply-To: <008901c2f94f$60026ee0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Shall do Capt'n ... |-----Original Message----- | |Works for me! | |Make it so! (Star Trek: the next gen) | |Jamie Duffey From fazalc@usa.net Wed Apr 2 10:49:16 2003 From: fazalc@usa.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:49:16 +1000 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List References: Message-ID: <00ff01c2f905$81c68920$0100a8c0@FAZAL> But aren't we achieving the same thing by just hitting 'Reply All' ? I've made an address sub-list on IE for EC which just does the trick. Similarly, Committee, etc. but, on reflection, I guess its easier to just hit, eg, XJlist (for my J-L listing) and send a broadcast mail out. F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > Its not an e-mail address. Its a mail list like you see on Jaglovers. Its > a little different than the JagBoard forum, as it uses e-mail for > communications rather than a bulletin board. Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |Bob? I don't really understand the reasoning for another email > |account. If > |this presents itself as a web based forum format, I don't see how at this > |moment. It just seems to be another email address to me. And I don't need > |another email address to check. > | > |What am I missing here? > | > |Jamie Duffey > |JONAT Executive Committee > |http://www.jonat.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > JONAT mailing list > JONAT@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat > From fazalc@usa.net Wed Apr 2 11:00:50 2003 From: fazalc@usa.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:00:50 +1000 Subject: [JONAT] Test Message-ID: <011101c2f907$1fd18fb0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> So, this is the EC channel from now on? Fazal From fazalc@usa.net Wed Apr 2 11:07:01 2003 From: fazalc@usa.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:07:01 +1000 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List References: Message-ID: <013001c2f907$fca34140$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Now that I understand it, its great! :-) Only, check my last attempt to try it - I'm unauthorised! [you trying to tell me something?] Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > Yes its 100% like the Jaglovers lists. Its just not on Jaglovers. > > I've only set up the one mailbox list. If I could make a suggestion, lets > use this list for the SC's. I can see if I can set up another one for the > EC. > > Howz this sound? Fazal - any thoughts? > > Bob > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Jamie - JONAT [mailto:jamie@jonat.org] > |Sent: April 1, 2003 1:32 PM > |To: Bob > |Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > | > | > |So it pops into my "jonat" mail just like the J-L Lists I'm subscribed to > |pop into my nwjag account right? > | > |Awesome! Can this be set up to work at the EC and a separate SC List? (Or > |did you already mention that?) > |Cause if it can we can of course "cross-post" like from EC and SC > |if we need > |to cover both. much like I have with the Pub and XJ at times, right? > | > |Jamie Duffey > |JONAT Executive Committee > |http://www.jonat.org/ > | > > _______________________________________________ > JONAT mailing list > JONAT@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 20:57:57 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:57:57 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] (no subject) Message-ID: <010901c2f95a$8a274f00$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C2F928.3F38F2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To be posted. Ian Bailey Regina Saskatchewan ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C2F928.3F38F2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To be posted. Ian Bailey Regina=20 Saskatchewan
------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C2F928.3F38F2A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 21:23:49 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:23:49 -0800 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List References: <013001c2f907$fca34140$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <015701c2f95e$28cc12a0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Ummm ... try standing on your head so it works like it does for us up here! Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > Now that I understand it, its great! :-) > Only, check my last attempt to try it - I'm unauthorised! [you trying to > tell me something?] > Fazal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:23 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > > > > Yes its 100% like the Jaglovers lists. Its just not on Jaglovers. > > > > I've only set up the one mailbox list. If I could make a suggestion, lets > > use this list for the SC's. I can see if I can set up another one for the > > EC. > > > > Howz this sound? Fazal - any thoughts? > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > |From: Jamie - JONAT [mailto:jamie@jonat.org] > > |Sent: April 1, 2003 1:32 PM > > |To: Bob > > |Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Mailing List > > | > > | > > |So it pops into my "jonat" mail just like the J-L Lists I'm subscribed to > > |pop into my nwjag account right? > > | > > |Awesome! Can this be set up to work at the EC and a separate SC List? > (Or > > |did you already mention that?) > > |Cause if it can we can of course "cross-post" like from EC and SC > > |if we need > > |to cover both. much like I have with the Pub and XJ at times, right? > > | > > |Jamie Duffey > > |JONAT Executive Committee > > |http://www.jonat.org/ > > | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JONAT mailing list > > JONAT@autox.team.net > > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat > > _______________________________________________ > JONAT mailing list > JONAT@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 21:25:16 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:25:16 -0800 Subject: [JONAT] Test References: <011101c2f907$1fd18fb0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <015f01c2f95e$5c11aee0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> That's a good question really. I wasn't aware that Bob had put together the EC one yet. I thought this was for the SCs. Hmmm (again) ... Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: "EC-JONAT" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:00 AM Subject: [JONAT] Test > So, this is the EC channel from now on? > > Fazal > _______________________________________________ > JONAT mailing list > JONAT@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat > > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 21:28:30 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:28:30 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] Test In-Reply-To: <011101c2f907$1fd18fb0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: EC and SC's ... |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Fazal Cader |Sent: April 2, 2003 5:01 AM |To: EC-JONAT |Subject: [JONAT] Test | | |So, this is the EC channel from now on? | |Fazal |_______________________________________________ |JONAT mailing list |JONAT@autox.team.net |http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat | From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 21:29:57 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:29:57 -0800 Subject: [JONAT] (no subject) References: <010901c2f95a$8a274f00$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <017f01c2f95f$1156b660$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C2F91B.F401FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got your note Ian, so it must work for your addy. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Bailey=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [JONAT] (no subject) To be posted. Ian Bailey Regina Saskatchewan ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C2F91B.F401FF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got your note Ian, so it must work = for your=20 addy.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian=20 Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 = 12:57=20 PM
Subject: [JONAT] (no = subject)

To be posted. Ian Bailey Regina=20 Saskatchewan
------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C2F91B.F401FF40-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 23:15:23 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:15:23 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As I'm just setting up this list, this is a test. You should receive TWO copies of this message. If you receive only one, please e-mail me at engl@jonat.org and let me know. Bob England JONAT Route Coordinator www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 23:24:37 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Larry Karpman) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:24:37 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402172310.00bcbdb0@mail.attbi.com> I've tried every combination I can think of, and can't get in at this address http://www.team.net/mailman/private/jonat/ Larry At 05:15 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: >As I'm just setting up this list, this is a test. You should receive TWO >copies of this message. If you receive only one, please e-mail me at >engl@jonat.org and let me know. > >Bob England >JONAT Route Coordinator >www.jonat.org > >_______________________________________________ >JONAT mailing list >JONAT@autox.team.net >http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 23:30:33 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:30:33 -0600 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402172310.00bcbdb0@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: Is anyone else having this problem ? |-----Original Message----- | |I've tried every combination I can think of, and can't get in at |this address | |http://www.team.net/mailman/private/jonat/ | |Larry From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 00:38:22 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:38:22 -0800 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test References: Message-ID: <00e801c2f979$5570f3a0$77214518@oemcomputer> My attempts result in an "incorrect password" message. I only received one of your first postings. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test : Is anyone else having this problem ? : : |-----Original Message----- : | : |I've tried every combination I can think of, and can't get in at : |this address : | : |http://www.team.net/mailman/private/jonat/ : | : |Larry : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 17:49:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Apr 2 17:49:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test In-Reply-To: <00e801c2f979$5570f3a0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I think the problem is this webspace is accessible only to the administrator (that would be me). I think I've changed it now ... please recheck and let me know. Regarding the "RE: Mailing List Test" posting ... give it another half hour or so ... it seems to take a bit. If the second one has not arrived in an hour, let me know. Thanks. Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk |Sent: April 2, 2003 6:38 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test | | |My attempts result in an "incorrect password" message. I only received one |of your first postings. From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 21:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Apr 2 21:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Map Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've made a few adjustments to the maps at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm if you have a map there, except for Mike in Ottawa I have adjusted the speed of the route to account for a 20 minute rest stop every 90 minutes. You can ignore the times on the maps, other that the start and end times, as well as the time and location for a lunch break. Again, keep in mind none of this is fixed and can (make that will!) be adjusted once you finalize your routes. I've also added the two Link tours we have so far. One from Mark in Arizona, and one from Michael in Carson City. Bob England www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 06:31:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Michael Jensen) Date: Thu Apr 3 06:31:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Map Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob: Looks good - I am going to try to have a route by next Tuesday for you. I have missed my days off this week thanks to a computer system failure (read that as total computer shutdown for 3 days at our 24 hour restaurant) and the subsequent rebuild of same. Not to mention the snow storm that hit Northern Nevada yesterday - after 78 degrees F on the weekend...It has been an interesting week. The site is looking great, I agree with everyone on the KISS principle, Pets should be up to each individual participant and let's try to keep costs to a minimum - Fazal's idea of $50 US sounds very reasonable. (disclaimer - IMHO) I am having my son (Stefan) and daughter (Nikita) do the preliminary layout of the route from Northern Nevada to The California Coast as my son will be driving his Jag and my daughter will be riding along in mine this year (she will be old enough to participate in 2006 - with her Jag). My son has also suggested to me that after we meet up with the tour in the Bay Area, we continue up the coast to Vancouver BC. We lived in Newport Oregon for 14 years (both kids were born there) and they would also like to meet the illustrious ;) Dr. A (whose disease they both have) and everyone else from the tour. Thank you; Michael Jensen www.sparkysgrill.com www.jonat.org JONAT - Northern Nevada Sector Coordinator Mobile - 775.378.9070 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:08 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Map Updates I've made a few adjustments to the maps at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm if you have a map there, except for Mike in Ottawa I have adjusted the speed of the route to account for a 20 minute rest stop every 90 minutes. You can ignore the times on the maps, other that the start and end times, as well as the time and location for a lunch break. Again, keep in mind none of this is fixed and can (make that will!) be adjusted once you finalize your routes. I've also added the two Link tours we have so far. One from Mark in Arizona, and one from Michael in Carson City. Bob England www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 08:13:21 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu Apr 3 08:13:21 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402172310.00bcbdb0@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: <01b401c2f9f0$40091700$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Larry? Did you receive the email from Bob which gives a specific password? If not, maybe he's still playing catch-up and it'll probably show up today. The JONAT SC Forum must work for your address though as I saw your statement eh? Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Karpman" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test > I've tried every combination I can think of, and can't get in at this address > > http://www.team.net/mailman/private/jonat/ > > Larry > > > > At 05:15 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >As I'm just setting up this list, this is a test. You should receive TWO > >copies of this message. If you receive only one, please e-mail me at > >engl@jonat.org and let me know. > > > >Bob England > >JONAT Route Coordinator > >www.jonat.org > > > >_______________________________________________ > >JONAT mailing list > >JONAT@autox.team.net > >http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > _______________________________________________ > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > www.jonat.org > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 08:28:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Larry Karpman) Date: Thu Apr 3 08:28:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test In-Reply-To: <01b401c2f9f0$40091700$6501a8c0@attbi.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402172310.00bcbdb0@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403092129.00b3c2d0@mail.attbi.com> Jamie: I got on the forum, so I'm not sure what I'm waiting for from Bob. Also, I can hardly keep up with this email "flood." I'm so far behind at work and home. Can someone send me a list of what is needed from me as a SC for Dallas/Ft. Worth. I will do my best to accommodate, but I really need a volunteer to take this sector. I want this tour to succeed, but I am concerned that I am falling terribly behind the power curve. Larry At 06:49 AM 4/3/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Larry? Did you receive the email from Bob which gives a specific password? >If not, maybe he's still playing catch-up and it'll probably show up today. > >The JONAT SC Forum must work for your address though as I saw your statement >eh? > >Jamie Duffey >JONAT Executive Committee >http://www.jonat.org/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Karpman" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:24 PM >Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test > > > > I've tried every combination I can think of, and can't get in at this >address > > > > http://www.team.net/mailman/private/jonat/ > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > At 05:15 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > >As I'm just setting up this list, this is a test. You should receive TWO > > >copies of this message. If you receive only one, please e-mail me at > > >engl@jonat.org and let me know. > > > > > >Bob England > > >JONAT Route Coordinator > > >www.jonat.org > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >JONAT mailing list > > >JONAT@autox.team.net > > >http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > _______________________________________________ > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > _______________________________________________ > > www.jonat.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 08:36:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Thu Apr 3 08:36:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402172310.00bcbdb0@mail.attbi.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030403092129.00b3c2d0@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: <003c01c2f9f6$46cac4c0$77214518@oemcomputer> Larry: I feel exactly the way you do. This is in danger of becoming over-organised. Obviously we need a structure, but at the point that it becomes a burden rather than fun, we are in trouble. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Karpman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test : Jamie: : : I got on the forum, so I'm not sure what I'm waiting for from Bob. : : Also, I can hardly keep up with this email "flood." I'm so far behind at : work and home. Can someone send me a list of what is needed from me as a SC : for Dallas/Ft. Worth. I will do my best to accommodate, but I really need a : volunteer to take this sector. I want this tour to succeed, but I am : concerned that I am falling terribly behind the power curve. : : Larry : : At 06:49 AM 4/3/2003 -0800, you wrote: : >Larry? Did you receive the email from Bob which gives a specific password? : >If not, maybe he's still playing catch-up and it'll probably show up today. : > : >The JONAT SC Forum must work for your address though as I saw your statement : >eh? : > : >Jamie Duffey : >JONAT Executive Committee : >http://www.jonat.org/ : > : >----- Original Message ----- : >From: "Larry Karpman" : >To: : >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:24 PM : >Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test : > : > : > > I've tried every combination I can think of, and can't get in at this : >address : > > : > > http://www.team.net/mailman/private/jonat/ : > > : > > Larry : > > : > > : > > : > > At 05:15 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: : > > >As I'm just setting up this list, this is a test. You should receive TWO : > > >copies of this message. If you receive only one, please e-mail me at : > > >engl@jonat.org and let me know. : > > > : > > >Bob England : > > >JONAT Route Coordinator : > > >www.jonat.org : > > > : > > >_______________________________________________ : > > >JONAT mailing list : > > >JONAT@autox.team.net : > > >http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat : > > : > > _______________________________________________ : > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > > _______________________________________________ : > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > > _______________________________________________ : > > www.jonat.org : > > : > : > : >_______________________________________________ : >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : >www.jonat.org : >_______________________________________________ : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 09:15:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu Apr 3 09:15:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Map Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c2f9fb$c6868f50$6400a8c0@jot> Bob, Two modifications to the AZ map. If you look at the PDF, you'll see Grand Canyon Village west of 2 and north of 3. That's where the route goes and why we're staying in Williams. Next, from Seligman to Topock, we are following venerable Route 66. You don't have dates, but if you want to tie in with the Fun Run, We'll have to stay overnight in Williams on 4/30. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:08 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: [JONAT] Map Updates > > > I've made a few adjustments to the maps at > > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm > > if you have a map there, except for Mike in Ottawa I have > adjusted the speed > of the route to account for a 20 minute rest stop every 90 > minutes. You can > ignore the times on the maps, other that the start and end > times, as well as > the time and location for a lunch break. Again, keep in mind > none of this > is fixed and can (make that will!) be adjusted once you finalize your > routes. > > I've also added the two Link tours we have so far. One from Mark in > Arizona, and one from Michael in Carson City. > > Bob England > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 11:28:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Apr 3 11:28:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403092129.00b3c2d0@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: Larry Basic things to do in the next few days (?): - get a committee together so you are not doing it all yourself (that will be impossible!). - send me a preliminary routing through your area. - use the "delete" key a lot Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Larry Karpman |Sent: April 3, 2003 9:25 AM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test | | |Jamie: | |I got on the forum, so I'm not sure what I'm waiting for from Bob. | |Also, I can hardly keep up with this email "flood." I'm so far behind at |work and home. Can someone send me a list of what is needed from |me as a SC |for Dallas/Ft. Worth. I will do my best to accommodate, but I |really need a |volunteer to take this sector. I want this tour to succeed, but I am |concerned that I am falling terribly behind the power curve. | |Larry | |At 06:49 AM 4/3/2003 -0800, you wrote: |>Larry? Did you receive the email from Bob which gives a specific |password? |>If not, maybe he's still playing catch-up and it'll probably show |up today. |> |>The JONAT SC Forum must work for your address though as I saw |your statement |>eh? |> |>Jamie Duffey |>JONAT Executive Committee |>http://www.jonat.org/ |> |>----- Original Message ----- |>From: "Larry Karpman" |>To: |>Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:24 PM |>Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test |> |> |> > I've tried every combination I can think of, and can't get in at this |>address |> > |> > http://www.team.net/mailman/private/jonat/ |> > |> > Larry |> > |> > |> > |> > At 05:15 PM 4/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: |> > >As I'm just setting up this list, this is a test. You should |receive TWO |> > >copies of this message. If you receive only one, please e-mail me at |> > >engl@jonat.org and let me know. |> > > |> > >Bob England |> > >JONAT Route Coordinator |> > >www.jonat.org |> > > |> > >_______________________________________________ |> > >JONAT mailing list |> > >JONAT@autox.team.net |> > >http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat |> > |> > _______________________________________________ |> > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |> > _______________________________________________ |> > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |> > _______________________________________________ |> > www.jonat.org |> > |> |> |>_______________________________________________ |>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |>www.jonat.org |>_______________________________________________ | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 12:00:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Apr 3 12:00:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Keep it Fun - Not too Much Work In-Reply-To: <003c01c2f9f6$46cac4c0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Gregory You are right ... there is a fine line between over organized and poor planning. Hopefully we are hovering over that knife edge, and not falling to one side or the other. If we do start falling to one side or the other, I'd ask everyone to let us all know. We don't want to make this too much work for anyone, and we want the Tour to be enjoyed by everyone. Bob |-----Original Message----- | |Larry: I feel exactly the way you do. This is in danger of becoming |over-organised. Obviously we need a structure, but at the point that it |becomes a burden rather than fun, we are in trouble. | Gregory |----- Original Message ----- | |: Jamie: |: |: I got on the forum, so I'm not sure what I'm waiting for from Bob. |: |: Also, I can hardly keep up with this email "flood." I'm so far behind at |: work and home. Can someone send me a list of what is needed from me as a |SC |: for Dallas/Ft. Worth. I will do my best to accommodate, but I really need |a |: volunteer to take this sector. I want this tour to succeed, but I am |: concerned that I am falling terribly behind the power curve. |: |: Larry From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 18:04:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Apr 3 18:04:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] New Sector Coordinator - Calgary AB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We've got another Sector Coordinator on-board, Fred Griffiths in Calgary. Fred is representing the Vintage Sports Car Club of Calgary, and indicates that he will likely hand off to a lucky volunteer permanent coordinator in the near future. Welcome Fred ! Ian and Barry, as Fred neighbouring SC's, please get in touch with him and let him know your thoughts on your portion of the route as you currently have it thought out, and work out hand-off points between your sectors. Fred's volunteering means all of the north-of-the-border sectors have SC's assigned. We have potential SC's pending for Minneapolis and San Francisco. Although we've got feelers out for all areas, there are still a few needed (New Orleans, Houston, Oklahoma, Las Vegas, Portland OR, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Virginia, Carolinas, and Atlanta). If you've got some good contacts in these areas, ask them if they might be interested. Again - welcome Fred ! Bob England www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 17:04:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Fri Apr 4 17:04:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] New Sector Coordinator - Calgary AB References: Message-ID: <017801c2fa8f$e038ee90$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Welcome, Fred. Fazal Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: [JONAT] New Sector Coordinator - Calgary AB > We've got another Sector Coordinator on-board, Fred Griffiths in Calgary. > > Fred is representing the Vintage Sports Car Club of Calgary, and indicates > that he will likely hand off to a lucky volunteer permanent coordinator in > the near future. > > Welcome Fred ! > > Ian and Barry, as Fred neighbouring SC's, please get in touch with him and > let him know your thoughts on your portion of the route as you currently > have it thought out, and work out hand-off points between your sectors. > > Fred's volunteering means all of the north-of-the-border sectors have SC's > assigned. We have potential SC's pending for Minneapolis and San Francisco. > Although we've got feelers out for all areas, there are still a few needed > (New Orleans, Houston, Oklahoma, Las Vegas, Portland OR, Chicago, Detroit, > Boston, Virginia, Carolinas, and Atlanta). If you've got some good contacts > in these areas, ask them if they might be interested. > > Again - welcome Fred ! > > Bob England > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 01:42:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Sun Apr 6 01:42:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Mailing List Test References: Message-ID: <3E8FE98E.E95228CC@interworld.net> oops. got two Ron Bob wrote: > As I'm just setting up this list, this is a test. You should receive TWO > copies of this message. If you receive only one, please e-mail me at > engl@jonat.org and let me know. > > Bob England > JONAT Route Coordinator > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > JONAT mailing list > JONAT@autox.team.net > http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/jonat From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 10:17:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 6 09:17:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: <3E8FE98E.E95228CC@interworld.net> Message-ID: <003501c2fc4f$4b632580$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Just transferring this thread to the JONAT Forum Jamie ----- Original Message ----- Ron wrote: I like the idea of selling the complete route book and 2 car decals, for door mounting. The decals create an Affinity group as you drive. ron R LA -----Original Message----- Mark Stephenson wrote: > I'm kind of ambivalent about fees. On one hand, I can see having them to > offset costs. On the other, members of our club have put together runs using > maps and the Internet and it didn't cost us a dime. Consequently it didn't > cost anything to take part. Having put together a 1000 mile 3-day event, and > putting everything on-line, as I suggested in an earlier post, I'm trying to > think of what costs we'll have. Website hosting? > I think if there is any charge, it should be nominal, but if it's nominal, > then the question becomes, will administering it be more hassle than it's > worth? What if someone, only wants to do part of the route? A per mile > charge? If the cost is not nominal, then we have the problem of people > taking the route and not paying. They are public roads after all. > IMHO, we need to think more in terms of having people pay for what they use. > Let's not charge for a sector, let's charge for the route book(s) -- take > orders and have them ready for the people who order them. How do you make > the route book an added value item? On-line, we'd have the barebones route > direction. The route book would include stories of items of interest in our > sectors, articles of historical interest that give local flavor. If someone > wants to print the basic route from the web site, no charge. > Here's another idea (Oh, no! I'm brainstorming): Let's have the SCs come up > with commemorative items for each leg of the route -- pins, hats, very > regional things, like a cactus sculpture for Arizona, would get my vote -- > engraved with the tour, sector and year. Do we want a poster? Our logo is > excellent and would look fantastic as part of a detailed 2x3 ft. map of the > tour. Back to the route book: the cover is the poster. We sell ads > (sponsorships) and place (recognize) them in the program. > I know this isn't the JCNA Challenge Championship, but there's no reason we > can't get some sponsors. Dennis Eynon raised $75,000 from sponsors for the > CC here. That's why people who show up are getting about $400 worth of > meals, gifts and goodies for $259, (and why, if you haven't made > arrangements to be here, you'll be kicking yourself :-> -- > http://www.jcna.com/library/jcc03/index.html for all the details.) > There's no reason why we couldn't get $10K to offset our costs, depending on > how many people we have. The sponsorships cover our initial costs. We sell > the route book(s)/posters at our cost or for a little profit recouping the > sponsorship money so we have something to start the next JONAT. We sell the > sector mementos for a little profit, which might be distributed to the SCs > and their helpers to cover a miniscule portion of their hard work, or > perhaps we cover the SCs, etc. We just have to work out the details, things > like books for each sector vs. a big book for the whole route. Hey, how > about a binder to hold them all. (Sorry, brainstorming again.) > I've done so much organizing for the CC that I have names, suppliers, etc. > for people who can do all this stuff. > Mark - AZ > -----Original Message----- > Jamie wrote: > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:53 AM > I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the fees. As > with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the occasional straggler > who didn't pay for a certain Sector. For these I suggest we bump the > "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a Sector defray costs as there > may be some involved with setup coordination and Handbook generation. Or > this could be handled at the Sector level. > Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!) So my proposal is > that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be donated to either a > single charity or a handful we all agree on. This charity idea has been a > part of the initial concept from the beginning. It like most everything > else has not been firmed up yet due to priorities so far. But it (they) are > coming. > ----- Original Message ----- > Fazal wrote: > Definitely. A check-in desk at every 'Sector HQ' would be a great help. I'm > assuming this would be the hotel/motel that the bulk of the people book > into. > The binder given at the start should contain the overall route, all SC > contact numbers, etc. At each check-in desk, in each sector, should be > another 'glad bag' with the standardized route info plus any sponsorship > stuff that we may be lucky to get. > I sincerely feel that there should be a JONAT fee plus a fee/sector > travelled. The more you travel, the more you pay. This would cover both > JONAT admin costs as well as Sector fees. The SC can then be re-imbursed for > that sectors expenses. You will have to do some estimates of costs and work > out the fees. > [THOUGHT: we will need a classy looking, weather proof sticker for the > windscreen to identify JONAT cars. Preferably one tat can be seen & > identified from a small distance away. The stickers should be serial > numbered and the list distributed to SC's so that we can ensure that people > have paid for the sectors travelled.] > ----- Original Message ----- > Mike O'Brien wrote: > I would like to offer my view on the sector briefings. > First where and when. While some folks may caravan this route there will be > many who will take their own time. My view is to set up a place at the > entrance to the recommended hotel where each participant can stop on their > way into the hotel and get what they need for the next sector. If there is a > gathering it will be less encumbered by not having to stop what should be > casual enterainment to brief folks on administration. > Second- what: A binder with 10 pages per sector will have 350 pages plus > local maps for those going around the whole route. People will likely be > tired and not too appreciative of having to read a pile of bumpf on arrival. > Keep this simple. a one page map with instructions per leg plus a > recommendation for dinner at the next stop and lunch along the way and > places of interest. Print on both sides of the paper-maximum 2 pages per > leg. Make sure that the person manning the "booth" at the hotel is > knowledgeable about everything that is being given to participants. > Third: Cost. It won't be difficult to produce a few pages for each of say 50 > cars but if you get into giving away maps ($3.00 each) this could become a > burden and will not be covered by the route entry fee. Are we considering an > extra charge per sector? Fundraising may be possible but may not work > everywhere. > Conclusion: Simple, flexible friendly. > Jamie wrote: > Perhaps these "hand-offs" can be held at the end of the 'last day' in a > "previous" Sector, like either during a dinner get together for some of us > and/or available at the 'main' hotel/motel we may choose for a gathering > place for the evening before we enter a new Sector the next day. > Gregory is correct in thinking it won't be near as fun if we are too rigid, > but I'd like to think we will pull our numbers together often along the > route and show a high visibility to the public, thus making a statement > about Jaguars that goes beyond "gee look at that car". I like to see us > make an impact on the "local" public. Maybe we might even make the local > news hour as we pass through a Sector. Again the perfect opportunity is at > least everyother day as we come to rest for the evening at a specific stop. > Then the next morning there should be an "official starting time, again to > show a multitude of Jaguars starting off at once. > Hey, this is just a kind of wish list, I don't want to get too regimented > either. So I'm just throwing things out on the table for discussion here. > ----- Original Message ----- > Bob wrote: > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 PM > Gregory ... you've made several good points, and ones I'd like all the > SC's perhaps to comment on. In fact, I did envision a hand-off point as a > gathering to start the next Sector, which is why I liked end-of-day rather > than mid-day hand-off-points. And rather than "sitting by the side of the > road for a day" type of approach, I saw a gathering at a certain place at > a certain time, with perhaps a fifteen minute or half hour orientation. > I'm also thinking of handing over more than the route maps. A good list > of places to eat, stay, shop, get the car fixed, etc., free local goodies > (i.e. pens that don't work, coupons for stuff you don't need - you know, the > usual!). Emergency phone numbers too. Some good overall City and > State/Province maps would be good too. Not a book, but probably a good 10 > pages plus "stuff". > Perhaps some of the others can chime in here and let us know what they > have found has worked and what has not. To a certain extent we're breaking new > ground here, but for the most part I think we can gain from others > experiences. > As you say, "less work = more fun". > |-----Original Message----- > |Gregory wrote: > |Do you mean that the SC have to sit at the side of the road for > |hours on end waiting for every individual to come by so that maps > |can be handed over? > |I doubt that many of us have the time or patience for that (I definitely do > |not). Registrants should be given maps ahead of time, or at some meeting > |(say, a meeting point meal). This is not a rally, or at least I > |don't see it that way. Suely adults can travel the route set out, in company with > |others if desired, not having to be at a "check point" at any given time. If we > |make this too regimented, the pleasure disappears. > |If I know that the group is meeting at a certain restaurant on a certain > |day, at a certain time, I will be there. But I don't want to be at > |"hand-off" point X at a certain time. The concept of a "hand-off" point > |surely does not mean that one shepherd hands the flock to another? > |It shouldmean that the next sector falls within the planning responsibility of > |the next Section Coordinator. > |Please, let's make this fun, not work. > |Gregory From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 10:19:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 6 09:19:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Tour Fees Message-ID: <004701c2fc4f$9863f9e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C2FC14.E934EAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another transfer to the JONAT Forum Jamie ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:37 AM 'Profits' implies a sum after all expenses. I have no problem with that. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 5:32 PM If the profits go to Charities it is easier to get sponsors. should be = able to get all of the usual suspects plus Jaguar of NA.=20 Ron Rader LA=20 Jamie - JONAT wrote:=20 I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the = fees. As with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the = occasional straggler who didn't pay for a certain Sector. For these I = suggest we bump the "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a = Sector defray costs as there may be some involved with setup = coordination and Handbook generation. Or this could be handled at the = Sector level. Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!) = So my proposal is that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be = donated to either a single charity or a handful we all agree on. This = charity idea has been a part of the initial concept from the beginning. = It like most everything else has not been firmed up yet due to = priorities so far. But it (they) are coming. Jamie Duffey=20 JONAT Executive Committee=20 http://www.jonat.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C2FC14.E934EAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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'Profits' implies a sum after all = expenses. I have=20 no problem with that.
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If the profits go to Charities it is easier to get sponsors. = should be=20 able to get all of the usual suspects plus Jaguar of NA.
Ron Rader = LA=20

Jamie - JONAT wrote:=20

I find myself agreeing with most = of what=20 Fazal is saying on the fees.  As with anything though, I'm = thinking=20 there will be the occasional straggler who didn't pay for a certain=20 Sector.  For these I suggest we bump the "central JONAT fee" by = a small=20 amount to help a Sector defray costs as there may be some involved = with=20 setup coordination and Handbook generation.  Or this could be = handled=20 at the Sector level. Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn = it!)  So my=20 proposal is that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be = donated to=20 either a single charity or a handful we all agree on.  This = charity=20 idea has been a part of the initial concept from the = beginning.  It=20 like most everything else has not been firmed up yet due to = priorities so=20 far.  But it (they) are coming. Jamie Duffey =
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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C2FC14.E934EAE0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 10:29:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 6 09:29:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: <3E8FE98E.E95228CC@interworld.net> <003501c2fc4f$4b632580$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <005a01c2fc51$07cfbac0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the "package". An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and specifics on each Sector's highlights. Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the entry fee. This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in Orlando. Thoughts? Jamie ----- Original Message ----- > Ron wrote: > I like the idea of selling the complete route book and 2 car decals, for > door > mounting. > The decals create an Affinity group as you drive. > ron R LA > -----Original Message----- > Mark Stephenson wrote: > > I'm kind of ambivalent about fees. On one hand, I can see having them to > > offset costs. On the other, members of our club have put together runs > using > > maps and the Internet and it didn't cost us a dime. Consequently it didn't > > cost anything to take part. Having put together a 1000 mile 3-day event, > and > > putting everything on-line, as I suggested in an earlier post, I'm trying > to > > think of what costs we'll have. Website hosting? > > I think if there is any charge, it should be nominal, but if it's nominal, > > then the question becomes, will administering it be more hassle than it's > > worth? What if someone, only wants to do part of the route? A per mile > > charge? If the cost is not nominal, then we have the problem of people > > taking the route and not paying. They are public roads after all. > > IMHO, we need to think more in terms of having people pay for what they > use. > > Let's not charge for a sector, let's charge for the route book(s) -- take > > orders and have them ready for the people who order them. How do you make > > the route book an added value item? On-line, we'd have the barebones route > > direction. The route book would include stories of items of interest in > our > > sectors, articles of historical interest that give local flavor. If > someone > > wants to print the basic route from the web site, no charge. > > Here's another idea (Oh, no! I'm brainstorming): Let's have the SCs come > up > > with commemorative items for each leg of the route -- pins, hats, very > > regional things, like a cactus sculpture for Arizona, would get my vote -- > > engraved with the tour, sector and year. Do we want a poster? Our logo is > > excellent and would look fantastic as part of a detailed 2x3 ft. map of > the > > tour. Back to the route book: the cover is the poster. We sell ads > > (sponsorships) and place (recognize) them in the program. > > I know this isn't the JCNA Challenge Championship, but there's no reason > we > > can't get some sponsors. Dennis Eynon raised $75,000 from sponsors for the > > CC here. That's why people who show up are getting about $400 worth of > > meals, gifts and goodies for $259, (and why, if you haven't made > > arrangements to be here, you'll be kicking yourself :-> -- > > http://www.jcna.com/library/jcc03/index.html for all the details.) > > There's no reason why we couldn't get $10K to offset our costs, depending > on > > how many people we have. The sponsorships cover our initial costs. We sell > > the route book(s)/posters at our cost or for a little profit recouping the > > sponsorship money so we have something to start the next JONAT. We sell > the > > sector mementos for a little profit, which might be distributed to the SCs > > and their helpers to cover a miniscule portion of their hard work, or > > perhaps we cover the SCs, etc. We just have to work out the details, > things > > like books for each sector vs. a big book for the whole route. Hey, how > > about a binder to hold them all. (Sorry, brainstorming again.) > > I've done so much organizing for the CC that I have names, suppliers, etc. > > for people who can do all this stuff. > > Mark - AZ > > -----Original Message----- > > Jamie wrote: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:53 AM > > I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the fees. As > > with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the occasional straggler > > who didn't pay for a certain Sector. For these I suggest we bump the > > "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a Sector defray costs as > there > > may be some involved with setup coordination and Handbook generation. Or > > this could be handled at the Sector level. > > Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!) So my proposal is > > that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be donated to either a > > single charity or a handful we all agree on. This charity idea has been a > > part of the initial concept from the beginning. It like most everything > > else has not been firmed up yet due to priorities so far. But it (they) > are > > coming. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Fazal wrote: > > Definitely. A check-in desk at every 'Sector HQ' would be a great help. > I'm > > assuming this would be the hotel/motel that the bulk of the people book > > into. > > The binder given at the start should contain the overall route, all SC > > contact numbers, etc. At each check-in desk, in each sector, should be > > another 'glad bag' with the standardized route info plus any sponsorship > > stuff that we may be lucky to get. > > I sincerely feel that there should be a JONAT fee plus a fee/sector > > travelled. The more you travel, the more you pay. This would cover both > > JONAT admin costs as well as Sector fees. The SC can then be re-imbursed > for > > that sectors expenses. You will have to do some estimates of costs and > work > > out the fees. > > [THOUGHT: we will need a classy looking, weather proof sticker for the > > windscreen to identify JONAT cars. Preferably one tat can be seen & > > identified from a small distance away. The stickers should be serial > > numbered and the list distributed to SC's so that we can ensure that > people > > have paid for the sectors travelled.] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Mike O'Brien wrote: > > I would like to offer my view on the sector briefings. > > First where and when. While some folks may caravan this route there will > be > > many who will take their own time. My view is to set up a place at the > > entrance to the recommended hotel where each participant can stop on their > > way into the hotel and get what they need for the next sector. If there is > a > > gathering it will be less encumbered by not having to stop what should be > > casual enterainment to brief folks on administration. > > Second- what: A binder with 10 pages per sector will have 350 pages plus > > local maps for those going around the whole route. People will likely be > > tired and not too appreciative of having to read a pile of bumpf on > arrival. > > Keep this simple. a one page map with instructions per leg plus a > > recommendation for dinner at the next stop and lunch along the way and > > places of interest. Print on both sides of the paper-maximum 2 pages per > > leg. Make sure that the person manning the "booth" at the hotel is > > knowledgeable about everything that is being given to participants. > > Third: Cost. It won't be difficult to produce a few pages for each of say > 50 > > cars but if you get into giving away maps ($3.00 each) this could become a > > burden and will not be covered by the route entry fee. Are we considering > an > > extra charge per sector? Fundraising may be possible but may not work > > everywhere. > > Conclusion: Simple, flexible friendly. > > Jamie wrote: > > Perhaps these "hand-offs" can be held at the end of the 'last day' in a > > "previous" Sector, like either during a dinner get together for some of us > > and/or available at the 'main' hotel/motel we may choose for a gathering > > place for the evening before we enter a new Sector the next day. > > Gregory is correct in thinking it won't be near as fun if we are too > rigid, > > but I'd like to think we will pull our numbers together often along the > > route and show a high visibility to the public, thus making a statement > > about Jaguars that goes beyond "gee look at that car". I like to see us > > make an impact on the "local" public. Maybe we might even make the local > > news hour as we pass through a Sector. Again the perfect opportunity is > at > > least everyother day as we come to rest for the evening at a specific > stop. > > Then the next morning there should be an "official starting time, again to > > show a multitude of Jaguars starting off at once. > > Hey, this is just a kind of wish list, I don't want to get too regimented > > either. So I'm just throwing things out on the table for discussion here. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Bob wrote: > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 PM > > Gregory ... you've made several good points, and ones I'd like all the > > SC's perhaps to comment on. In fact, I did envision a hand-off point as a > > gathering to start the next Sector, which is why I liked end-of-day rather > > than mid-day hand-off-points. And rather than "sitting by the side of the > > road for a day" type of approach, I saw a gathering at a certain place at > > a certain time, with perhaps a fifteen minute or half hour orientation. > > I'm also thinking of handing over more than the route maps. A good list > > of places to eat, stay, shop, get the car fixed, etc., free local goodies > > (i.e. pens that don't work, coupons for stuff you don't need - you know, > the > > usual!). Emergency phone numbers too. Some good overall City and > > State/Province maps would be good too. Not a book, but probably a good 10 > > pages plus "stuff". > > Perhaps some of the others can chime in here and let us know what they > > have found has worked and what has not. To a certain extent we're > breaking new > > ground here, but for the most part I think we can gain from others > > experiences. > > As you say, "less work = more fun". > > |-----Original Message----- > > |Gregory wrote: > > |Do you mean that the SC have to sit at the side of the road for > > |hours on end waiting for every individual to come by so that maps > > |can be handed over? > > |I doubt that many of us have the time or patience for that (I definitely > do > > |not). Registrants should be given maps ahead of time, or at some meeting > > |(say, a meeting point meal). This is not a rally, or at least I > > |don't see it that way. Suely adults can travel the route set out, in > company with > > |others if desired, not having to be at a "check point" at any given time. > If we > > |make this too regimented, the pleasure disappears. > > |If I know that the group is meeting at a certain restaurant on a certain > > |day, at a certain time, I will be there. But I don't want to be at > > |"hand-off" point X at a certain time. The concept of a "hand-off" point > > |surely does not mean that one shepherd hands the flock to another? > > |It shouldmean that the next sector falls within the planning > responsibility of > > |the next Section Coordinator. > > |Please, let's make this fun, not work. > > |Gregory > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 16:51:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Apr 6 15:51:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff In-Reply-To: <005a01c2fc51$07cfbac0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Jamie Still like the idea of a grille badge rather than a decal (i.e. something to hang in the garage for posterity). Regarding the end of the tour "yearbook" ... what about a yearbook on CD ? Bob |-----Original Message----- | |The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the |"package". | |An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of |the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for |each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. |Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and |specifics on each Sector's highlights. | |Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which |can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of |the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps |with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of |us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the |entry fee. |This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a |member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they |could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in |Orlando. | |Thoughts? | |Jamie From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 17:01:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fried and Gayle) Date: Sun Apr 6 16:01:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff In-Reply-To: <005a01c2fc51$07cfbac0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <000001c2fc5a$cef4ef90$6601a8c0@Gayle> Jamie, If you are going to emulate Dr G's voluminous book on JagCare - perhaps the best way is to publish it for download rather than hardcopy - let others (us) foot the cost for paper and ink - As a footnote - I have saved every and all emails regarding JONAT since its inception - What about the "time capsule" idea I facetiously floated earlier? ;-} -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:27 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the "package". An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and specifics on each Sector's highlights. Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the entry fee. This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in Orlando. Thoughts? Jamie ----- Original Message ----- > Ron wrote: > I like the idea of selling the complete route book and 2 car decals, > for door mounting. > The decals create an Affinity group as you drive. > ron R LA > -----Original Message----- > Mark Stephenson wrote: > > I'm kind of ambivalent about fees. On one hand, I can see having > > them to offset costs. On the other, members of our club have put > > together runs > using > > maps and the Internet and it didn't cost us a dime. Consequently it didn't > > cost anything to take part. Having put together a 1000 mile 3-day > > event, > and > > putting everything on-line, as I suggested in an earlier post, I'm trying > to > > think of what costs we'll have. Website hosting? > > I think if there is any charge, it should be nominal, but if it's nominal, > > then the question becomes, will administering it be more hassle than it's > > worth? What if someone, only wants to do part of the route? A per > > mile charge? If the cost is not nominal, then we have the problem of > > people taking the route and not paying. They are public roads after > > all. IMHO, we need to think more in terms of having people pay for > > what they > use. > > Let's not charge for a sector, let's charge for the route book(s) -- take > > orders and have them ready for the people who order them. How do you make > > the route book an added value item? On-line, we'd have the barebones route > > direction. The route book would include stories of items of interest > > in > our > > sectors, articles of historical interest that give local flavor. If > someone > > wants to print the basic route from the web site, no charge. Here's > > another idea (Oh, no! I'm brainstorming): Let's have the SCs come > up > > with commemorative items for each leg of the route -- pins, hats, > > very regional things, like a cactus sculpture for Arizona, would get > > my vote -- > > engraved with the tour, sector and year. Do we want a poster? Our > > logo is > > excellent and would look fantastic as part of a detailed 2x3 ft. map > > of > the > > tour. Back to the route book: the cover is the poster. We sell ads > > (sponsorships) and place (recognize) them in the program. > > I know this isn't the JCNA Challenge Championship, but there's no > > reason > we > > can't get some sponsors. Dennis Eynon raised $75,000 from sponsors > > for the > > CC here. That's why people who show up are getting about $400 worth > > of meals, gifts and goodies for $259, (and why, if you haven't made > > arrangements to be here, you'll be kicking yourself :-> -- > > http://www.jcna.com/library/jcc03/index.html for all the details.) > > There's no reason why we couldn't get $10K to offset our costs, depending > on > > how many people we have. The sponsorships cover our initial costs. > > We sell > > the route book(s)/posters at our cost or for a little profit > > recouping the > > sponsorship money so we have something to start the next JONAT. We > > sell > the > > sector mementos for a little profit, which might be distributed to > > the SCs > > and their helpers to cover a miniscule portion of their hard work, > > or perhaps we cover the SCs, etc. We just have to work out the > > details, > things > > like books for each sector vs. a big book for the whole route. Hey, > > how about a binder to hold them all. (Sorry, brainstorming again.) > > I've done so much organizing for the CC that I have names, > > suppliers, etc. > > for people who can do all this stuff. > > Mark - AZ > > -----Original Message----- > > Jamie wrote: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:53 AM > > I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the > > fees. As > > with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the occasional straggler > > who didn't pay for a certain Sector. For these I suggest we bump > > the "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a Sector defray > > costs as > there > > may be some involved with setup coordination and Handbook > > generation. Or > > this could be handled at the Sector level. > > Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!) So my > > proposal is > > that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be donated to > > either a single charity or a handful we all agree on. This charity > > idea has been a > > part of the initial concept from the beginning. It like most > > everything else has not been firmed up yet due to priorities so far. > > But it (they) > are > > coming. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Fazal wrote: > > Definitely. A check-in desk at every 'Sector HQ' would be a great > > help. > I'm > > assuming this would be the hotel/motel that the bulk of the people > > book into. The binder given at the start should contain the overall > > route, all SC contact numbers, etc. At each check-in desk, in each > > sector, should be another 'glad bag' with the standardized route > > info plus any sponsorship stuff that we may be lucky to get. > > I sincerely feel that there should be a JONAT fee plus a fee/sector > > travelled. The more you travel, the more you pay. This would cover both > > JONAT admin costs as well as Sector fees. The SC can then be re-imbursed > for > > that sectors expenses. You will have to do some estimates of costs > > and > work > > out the fees. > > [THOUGHT: we will need a classy looking, weather proof sticker for > > the windscreen to identify JONAT cars. Preferably one tat can be > > seen & identified from a small distance away. The stickers should be > > serial numbered and the list distributed to SC's so that we can > > ensure that > people > > have paid for the sectors travelled.] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Mike O'Brien wrote: > > I would like to offer my view on the sector briefings. First where > > and when. While some folks may caravan this route there will > be > > many who will take their own time. My view is to set up a place at > > the entrance to the recommended hotel where each participant can > > stop on their > > way into the hotel and get what they need for the next sector. If > > there is > a > > gathering it will be less encumbered by not having to stop what > > should be > > casual enterainment to brief folks on administration. > > Second- what: A binder with 10 pages per sector will have 350 pages > > plus local maps for those going around the whole route. People will > > likely be tired and not too appreciative of having to read a pile of > > bumpf on > arrival. > > Keep this simple. a one page map with instructions per leg plus a > > recommendation for dinner at the next stop and lunch along the way > > and places of interest. Print on both sides of the paper-maximum 2 > > pages per > > leg. Make sure that the person manning the "booth" at the hotel is > > knowledgeable about everything that is being given to participants. > > Third: Cost. It won't be difficult to produce a few pages for each > > of say > 50 > > cars but if you get into giving away maps ($3.00 each) this could > > become a > > burden and will not be covered by the route entry fee. Are we considering > an > > extra charge per sector? Fundraising may be possible but may not > > work everywhere. > > Conclusion: Simple, flexible friendly. > > Jamie wrote: > > Perhaps these "hand-offs" can be held at the end of the 'last day' > > in a "previous" Sector, like either during a dinner get together for > > some of us > > and/or available at the 'main' hotel/motel we may choose for a > > gathering place for the evening before we enter a new Sector the > > next day. Gregory is correct in thinking it won't be near as fun if > > we are too > rigid, > > but I'd like to think we will pull our numbers together often along > > the route and show a high visibility to the public, thus making a > > statement about Jaguars that goes beyond "gee look at that car". I > > like to see us make an impact on the "local" public. Maybe we might > > even make the local > > news hour as we pass through a Sector. Again the perfect > > opportunity is > at > > least everyother day as we come to rest for the evening at a > > specific > stop. > > Then the next morning there should be an "official starting time, > > again to > > show a multitude of Jaguars starting off at once. > > Hey, this is just a kind of wish list, I don't want to get too regimented > > either. So I'm just throwing things out on the table for discussion here. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Bob wrote: > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 PM > > Gregory ... you've made several good points, and ones I'd like all > > the SC's perhaps to comment on. In fact, I did envision a hand-off > > point as a > > gathering to start the next Sector, which is why I liked end-of-day rather > > than mid-day hand-off-points. And rather than "sitting by the side > > of the > > road for a day" type of approach, I saw a gathering at a certain > > place at > > a certain time, with perhaps a fifteen minute or half hour > > orientation. I'm also thinking of handing over more than the route > > maps. A good list of places to eat, stay, shop, get the car fixed, > > etc., free local goodies > > (i.e. pens that don't work, coupons for stuff you don't need - you > > know, > the > > usual!). Emergency phone numbers too. Some good overall City and > > State/Province maps would be good too. Not a book, but probably a > > good 10 > > pages plus "stuff". > > Perhaps some of the others can chime in here and let us know what > > they have found has worked and what has not. To a certain extent > > we're > breaking new > > ground here, but for the most part I think we can gain from others > > experiences. As you say, "less work = more fun". > > |-----Original Message----- > > |Gregory wrote: > > |Do you mean that the SC have to sit at the side of the road for > > |hours on end waiting for every individual to come by so that maps > > |can be handed over? I doubt that many of us have the time or > > |patience for that (I definitely > do > > |not). Registrants should be given maps ahead of time, or at some meeting > > |(say, a meeting point meal). This is not a rally, or at least I > > |don't see it that way. Suely adults can travel the route set out, > > |in > company with > > |others if desired, not having to be at a "check point" at any given time. > If we > > |make this too regimented, the pleasure disappears. > > |If I know that the group is meeting at a certain restaurant on a certain > > |day, at a certain time, I will be there. But I don't want to be at > > |"hand-off" point X at a certain time. The concept of a "hand-off" > > |point surely does not mean that one shepherd hands the flock to > > |another? It shouldmean that the next sector falls within the > > |planning > responsibility of > > |the next Section Coordinator. > > |Please, let's make this fun, not work. > > |Gregory > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 17:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Apr 6 16:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff In-Reply-To: <000001c2fc5a$cef4ef90$6601a8c0@Gayle> Message-ID: I think I hear a volunteer to be e-mail archivist (?) ... |-----Original Message----- |Behalf Of Fried and Gayle |Sent: April 6, 2003 10:37 AM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff | | |Jamie, |If you are going to emulate Dr G's voluminous book on JagCare - perhaps the |best way is to publish it for download rather than hardcopy - let others |(us) foot the cost for paper and ink - |As a footnote - I have saved every and all emails regarding JONAT since its |inception - |What about the "time capsule" idea I facetiously floated earlier? ;-} From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 19:38:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Sun Apr 6 18:38:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: Message-ID: <3E90C990.C57A53DD@interworld.net> Re Grill Badge; i do not need anything in front of my car that could POSSIBLY impede the flow of cool air by one CFM. Ron we are talking Jaguars here aren't we! Bob wrote: > Jamie > > Still like the idea of a grille badge rather than a decal (i.e. something to > hang in the garage for posterity). > > Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the > |"package". > | From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 21:50:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Apr 6 20:50:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] A couple of JONAT updates In-Reply-To: <3E90C990.C57A53DD@interworld.net> Message-ID: A couple of updates have been added/revised on the webpages. First, Robert (Denver) has put together a great brochure, intended to be printed on two sides of an 8.5x11 sheet of paper, and folded once. Take a look at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Brochure.pdf well done Robert! I've also added a few updates to the Sector Coordinator's Guide at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm both can be accessed from www.jonat.org "The Tour" ---> "Coordinator Pages" As always, feel free to provide comments (be gentle please!). Bob England From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 01:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon Apr 7 00:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: <3E8FE98E.E95228CC@interworld.net> <003501c2fc4f$4b632580$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <005a01c2fc51$07cfbac0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3E911513.1B1FED9B@interworld.net> I think a complete, printed, in color, route book is important. We can place ads here (for profit) and afterwards we can reprint it with an article on each (some) of the sectors. More money. Ron R LA Jamie - JONAT wrote: > The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the > "package". > > An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of > the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for > each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. > Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and > specifics on each Sector's highlights. > > Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which > can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of > the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps > with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of > us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the entry fee. > This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a > member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they > could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in > Orlando. > > Thoughts? > > Jamie From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 03:04:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Apr 7 02:04:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: <3E8FE98E.E95228CC@interworld.net> <003501c2fc4f$4b632580$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <005a01c2fc51$07cfbac0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <00b501c2fcdc$2f1b7b10$0100a8c0@FAZAL> That's an interesting point, whether to have it produced after the tour or for use during the tour. Perhaps this could 'dovetail' with the idea of issuing a binder (Tour Passport? With stamps as proof of travel?) and adding to it as the tour proceeds. A final 'Tout Booklet' could be produced afterwards for PR purposes or forwarding as a part of a hand-out to future participants, whatever. Fazal Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the > "package". > > An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of > the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for > each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. > Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and > specifics on each Sector's highlights. > > Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which > can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of > the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps > with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of > us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the entry fee. > This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a > member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they > could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in > Orlando. > > Thoughts? > > Jamie > ----- Original Message ----- > > Ron wrote: > > I like the idea of selling the complete route book and 2 car decals, for > > door > > mounting. > > The decals create an Affinity group as you drive. > > ron R LA > > -----Original Message----- > > Mark Stephenson wrote: > > > I'm kind of ambivalent about fees. On one hand, I can see having them to > > > offset costs. On the other, members of our club have put together runs > > using > > > maps and the Internet and it didn't cost us a dime. Consequently it > didn't > > > cost anything to take part. Having put together a 1000 mile 3-day event, > > and > > > putting everything on-line, as I suggested in an earlier post, I'm > trying > > to > > > think of what costs we'll have. Website hosting? > > > I think if there is any charge, it should be nominal, but if it's > nominal, > > > then the question becomes, will administering it be more hassle than > it's > > > worth? What if someone, only wants to do part of the route? A per mile > > > charge? If the cost is not nominal, then we have the problem of people > > > taking the route and not paying. They are public roads after all. > > > IMHO, we need to think more in terms of having people pay for what they > > use. > > > Let's not charge for a sector, let's charge for the route book(s) -- > take > > > orders and have them ready for the people who order them. How do you > make > > > the route book an added value item? On-line, we'd have the barebones > route > > > direction. The route book would include stories of items of interest in > > our > > > sectors, articles of historical interest that give local flavor. If > > someone > > > wants to print the basic route from the web site, no charge. > > > Here's another idea (Oh, no! I'm brainstorming): Let's have the SCs come > > up > > > with commemorative items for each leg of the route -- pins, hats, very > > > regional things, like a cactus sculpture for Arizona, would get my > vote -- > > > engraved with the tour, sector and year. Do we want a poster? Our logo > is > > > excellent and would look fantastic as part of a detailed 2x3 ft. map of > > the > > > tour. Back to the route book: the cover is the poster. We sell ads > > > (sponsorships) and place (recognize) them in the program. > > > I know this isn't the JCNA Challenge Championship, but there's no reason > > we > > > can't get some sponsors. Dennis Eynon raised $75,000 from sponsors for > the > > > CC here. That's why people who show up are getting about $400 worth of > > > meals, gifts and goodies for $259, (and why, if you haven't made > > > arrangements to be here, you'll be kicking yourself :-> -- > > > http://www.jcna.com/library/jcc03/index.html for all the details.) > > > There's no reason why we couldn't get $10K to offset our costs, > depending > > on > > > how many people we have. The sponsorships cover our initial costs. We > sell > > > the route book(s)/posters at our cost or for a little profit recouping > the > > > sponsorship money so we have something to start the next JONAT. We sell > > the > > > sector mementos for a little profit, which might be distributed to the > SCs > > > and their helpers to cover a miniscule portion of their hard work, or > > > perhaps we cover the SCs, etc. We just have to work out the details, > > things > > > like books for each sector vs. a big book for the whole route. Hey, how > > > about a binder to hold them all. (Sorry, brainstorming again.) > > > I've done so much organizing for the CC that I have names, suppliers, > etc. > > > for people who can do all this stuff. > > > Mark - AZ > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Jamie wrote: > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:53 AM > > > I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the fees. > As > > > with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the occasional > straggler > > > who didn't pay for a certain Sector. For these I suggest we bump the > > > "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a Sector defray costs as > > there > > > may be some involved with setup coordination and Handbook generation. > Or > > > this could be handled at the Sector level. > > > Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!) So my proposal > is > > > that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be donated to either a > > > single charity or a handful we all agree on. This charity idea has been > a > > > part of the initial concept from the beginning. It like most everything > > > else has not been firmed up yet due to priorities so far. But it (they) > > are > > > coming. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Fazal wrote: > > > Definitely. A check-in desk at every 'Sector HQ' would be a great help. > > I'm > > > assuming this would be the hotel/motel that the bulk of the people book > > > into. > > > The binder given at the start should contain the overall route, all SC > > > contact numbers, etc. At each check-in desk, in each sector, should be > > > another 'glad bag' with the standardized route info plus any sponsorship > > > stuff that we may be lucky to get. > > > I sincerely feel that there should be a JONAT fee plus a fee/sector > > > travelled. The more you travel, the more you pay. This would cover both > > > JONAT admin costs as well as Sector fees. The SC can then be re-imbursed > > for > > > that sectors expenses. You will have to do some estimates of costs and > > work > > > out the fees. > > > [THOUGHT: we will need a classy looking, weather proof sticker for the > > > windscreen to identify JONAT cars. Preferably one tat can be seen & > > > identified from a small distance away. The stickers should be serial > > > numbered and the list distributed to SC's so that we can ensure that > > people > > > have paid for the sectors travelled.] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Mike O'Brien wrote: > > > I would like to offer my view on the sector briefings. > > > First where and when. While some folks may caravan this route there > will > > be > > > many who will take their own time. My view is to set up a place at the > > > entrance to the recommended hotel where each participant can stop on > their > > > way into the hotel and get what they need for the next sector. If there > is > > a > > > gathering it will be less encumbered by not having to stop what should > be > > > casual enterainment to brief folks on administration. > > > Second- what: A binder with 10 pages per sector will have 350 pages plus > > > local maps for those going around the whole route. People will likely be > > > tired and not too appreciative of having to read a pile of bumpf on > > arrival. > > > Keep this simple. a one page map with instructions per leg plus a > > > recommendation for dinner at the next stop and lunch along the way and > > > places of interest. Print on both sides of the paper-maximum 2 pages > per > > > leg. Make sure that the person manning the "booth" at the hotel is > > > knowledgeable about everything that is being given to participants. > > > Third: Cost. It won't be difficult to produce a few pages for each of > say > > 50 > > > cars but if you get into giving away maps ($3.00 each) this could become > a > > > burden and will not be covered by the route entry fee. Are we > considering > > an > > > extra charge per sector? Fundraising may be possible but may not work > > > everywhere. > > > Conclusion: Simple, flexible friendly. > > > Jamie wrote: > > > Perhaps these "hand-offs" can be held at the end of the 'last day' in a > > > "previous" Sector, like either during a dinner get together for some of > us > > > and/or available at the 'main' hotel/motel we may choose for a gathering > > > place for the evening before we enter a new Sector the next day. > > > Gregory is correct in thinking it won't be near as fun if we are too > > rigid, > > > but I'd like to think we will pull our numbers together often along the > > > route and show a high visibility to the public, thus making a statement > > > about Jaguars that goes beyond "gee look at that car". I like to see us > > > make an impact on the "local" public. Maybe we might even make the > local > > > news hour as we pass through a Sector. Again the perfect opportunity is > > at > > > least everyother day as we come to rest for the evening at a specific > > stop. > > > Then the next morning there should be an "official starting time, again > to > > > show a multitude of Jaguars starting off at once. > > > Hey, this is just a kind of wish list, I don't want to get too > regimented > > > either. So I'm just throwing things out on the table for discussion > here. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Bob wrote: > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 PM > > > Gregory ... you've made several good points, and ones I'd like all the > > > SC's perhaps to comment on. In fact, I did envision a hand-off point as > a > > > gathering to start the next Sector, which is why I liked end-of-day > rather > > > than mid-day hand-off-points. And rather than "sitting by the side of > the > > > road for a day" type of approach, I saw a gathering at a certain place > at > > > a certain time, with perhaps a fifteen minute or half hour orientation. > > > I'm also thinking of handing over more than the route maps. A good list > > > of places to eat, stay, shop, get the car fixed, etc., free local > goodies > > > (i.e. pens that don't work, coupons for stuff you don't need - you know, > > the > > > usual!). Emergency phone numbers too. Some good overall City and > > > State/Province maps would be good too. Not a book, but probably a good > 10 > > > pages plus "stuff". > > > Perhaps some of the others can chime in here and let us know what they > > > have found has worked and what has not. To a certain extent we're > > breaking new > > > ground here, but for the most part I think we can gain from others > > > experiences. > > > As you say, "less work = more fun". > > > |-----Original Message----- > > > |Gregory wrote: > > > |Do you mean that the SC have to sit at the side of the road for > > > |hours on end waiting for every individual to come by so that maps > > > |can be handed over? > > > |I doubt that many of us have the time or patience for that (I > definitely > > do > > > |not). Registrants should be given maps ahead of time, or at some > meeting > > > |(say, a meeting point meal). This is not a rally, or at least I > > > |don't see it that way. Suely adults can travel the route set out, in > > company with > > > |others if desired, not having to be at a "check point" at any given > time. > > If we > > > |make this too regimented, the pleasure disappears. > > > |If I know that the group is meeting at a certain restaurant on a > certain > > > |day, at a certain time, I will be there. But I don't want to be at > > > |"hand-off" point X at a certain time. The concept of a "hand-off" point > > > |surely does not mean that one shepherd hands the flock to another? > > > |It shouldmean that the next sector falls within the planning > > responsibility of > > > |the next Section Coordinator. > > > |Please, let's make this fun, not work. > > > |Gregory > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 03:06:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Apr 7 02:06:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: Message-ID: <00bb01c2fcdc$6caa73f0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Lets do both. One for posterity and the other for immediacy. We must have means of identifying participants at a glance or when driving past. Fazal Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > Jamie > > Still like the idea of a grille badge rather than a decal (i.e. something to > hang in the garage for posterity). > > Regarding the end of the tour "yearbook" ... what about a yearbook on CD ? > > Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the > |"package". > | > |An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of > |the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for > |each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. > |Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and > |specifics on each Sector's highlights. > | > |Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which > |can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of > |the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps > |with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of > |us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the > |entry fee. > |This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a > |member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they > |could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in > |Orlando. > | > |Thoughts? > | > |Jamie > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 03:07:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Apr 7 02:07:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: <000001c2fc5a$cef4ef90$6601a8c0@Gayle> Message-ID: <00c101c2fcdc$8c42ade0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Fried, that is a good idea. Now, who wants to be the official 'Historian' of JONAT? Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fried and Gayle" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:37 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > Jamie, > If you are going to emulate Dr G's voluminous book on JagCare - perhaps the > best way is to publish it for download rather than hardcopy - let others > (us) foot the cost for paper and ink - > As a footnote - I have saved every and all emails regarding JONAT since its > inception - > What about the "time capsule" idea I facetiously floated earlier? ;-} > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:27 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > > > The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the > "package". > > An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of > the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for > each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. > Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and > specifics on each Sector's highlights. > > Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which > can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of > the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps > with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of > us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the entry fee. > This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a > member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they > could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in > Orlando. > > Thoughts? > > Jamie > ----- Original Message ----- > > Ron wrote: > > I like the idea of selling the complete route book and 2 car decals, > > for door mounting. > > The decals create an Affinity group as you drive. > > ron R LA > > -----Original Message----- > > Mark Stephenson wrote: > > > I'm kind of ambivalent about fees. On one hand, I can see having > > > them to offset costs. On the other, members of our club have put > > > together runs > > using > > > maps and the Internet and it didn't cost us a dime. Consequently it > didn't > > > cost anything to take part. Having put together a 1000 mile 3-day > > > event, > > and > > > putting everything on-line, as I suggested in an earlier post, I'm > trying > > to > > > think of what costs we'll have. Website hosting? > > > I think if there is any charge, it should be nominal, but if it's > nominal, > > > then the question becomes, will administering it be more hassle than > it's > > > worth? What if someone, only wants to do part of the route? A per > > > mile charge? If the cost is not nominal, then we have the problem of > > > people taking the route and not paying. They are public roads after > > > all. IMHO, we need to think more in terms of having people pay for > > > what they > > use. > > > Let's not charge for a sector, let's charge for the route book(s) -- > take > > > orders and have them ready for the people who order them. How do you > make > > > the route book an added value item? On-line, we'd have the barebones > route > > > direction. The route book would include stories of items of interest > > > in > > our > > > sectors, articles of historical interest that give local flavor. If > > someone > > > wants to print the basic route from the web site, no charge. Here's > > > another idea (Oh, no! I'm brainstorming): Let's have the SCs come > > up > > > with commemorative items for each leg of the route -- pins, hats, > > > very regional things, like a cactus sculpture for Arizona, would get > > > my > vote -- > > > engraved with the tour, sector and year. Do we want a poster? Our > > > logo > is > > > excellent and would look fantastic as part of a detailed 2x3 ft. map > > > of > > the > > > tour. Back to the route book: the cover is the poster. We sell ads > > > (sponsorships) and place (recognize) them in the program. > > > I know this isn't the JCNA Challenge Championship, but there's no > > > reason > > we > > > can't get some sponsors. Dennis Eynon raised $75,000 from sponsors > > > for > the > > > CC here. That's why people who show up are getting about $400 worth > > > of meals, gifts and goodies for $259, (and why, if you haven't made > > > arrangements to be here, you'll be kicking yourself :-> -- > > > http://www.jcna.com/library/jcc03/index.html for all the details.) > > > There's no reason why we couldn't get $10K to offset our costs, > depending > > on > > > how many people we have. The sponsorships cover our initial costs. > > > We > sell > > > the route book(s)/posters at our cost or for a little profit > > > recouping > the > > > sponsorship money so we have something to start the next JONAT. We > > > sell > > the > > > sector mementos for a little profit, which might be distributed to > > > the > SCs > > > and their helpers to cover a miniscule portion of their hard work, > > > or perhaps we cover the SCs, etc. We just have to work out the > > > details, > > things > > > like books for each sector vs. a big book for the whole route. Hey, > > > how about a binder to hold them all. (Sorry, brainstorming again.) > > > I've done so much organizing for the CC that I have names, > > > suppliers, > etc. > > > for people who can do all this stuff. > > > Mark - AZ > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Jamie wrote: > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:53 AM > > > I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the > > > fees. > As > > > with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the occasional > straggler > > > who didn't pay for a certain Sector. For these I suggest we bump > > > the "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a Sector defray > > > costs as > > there > > > may be some involved with setup coordination and Handbook > > > generation. > Or > > > this could be handled at the Sector level. > > > Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!) So my > > > proposal > is > > > that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be donated to > > > either a single charity or a handful we all agree on. This charity > > > idea has been > a > > > part of the initial concept from the beginning. It like most > > > everything else has not been firmed up yet due to priorities so far. > > > But it (they) > > are > > > coming. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Fazal wrote: > > > Definitely. A check-in desk at every 'Sector HQ' would be a great > > > help. > > I'm > > > assuming this would be the hotel/motel that the bulk of the people > > > book into. The binder given at the start should contain the overall > > > route, all SC contact numbers, etc. At each check-in desk, in each > > > sector, should be another 'glad bag' with the standardized route > > > info plus any sponsorship stuff that we may be lucky to get. > > > I sincerely feel that there should be a JONAT fee plus a fee/sector > > > travelled. The more you travel, the more you pay. This would cover both > > > JONAT admin costs as well as Sector fees. The SC can then be re-imbursed > > for > > > that sectors expenses. You will have to do some estimates of costs > > > and > > work > > > out the fees. > > > [THOUGHT: we will need a classy looking, weather proof sticker for > > > the windscreen to identify JONAT cars. Preferably one tat can be > > > seen & identified from a small distance away. The stickers should be > > > serial numbered and the list distributed to SC's so that we can > > > ensure that > > people > > > have paid for the sectors travelled.] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Mike O'Brien wrote: > > > I would like to offer my view on the sector briefings. First where > > > and when. While some folks may caravan this route there > will > > be > > > many who will take their own time. My view is to set up a place at > > > the entrance to the recommended hotel where each participant can > > > stop on > their > > > way into the hotel and get what they need for the next sector. If > > > there > is > > a > > > gathering it will be less encumbered by not having to stop what > > > should > be > > > casual enterainment to brief folks on administration. > > > Second- what: A binder with 10 pages per sector will have 350 pages > > > plus local maps for those going around the whole route. People will > > > likely be tired and not too appreciative of having to read a pile of > > > bumpf on > > arrival. > > > Keep this simple. a one page map with instructions per leg plus a > > > recommendation for dinner at the next stop and lunch along the way > > > and places of interest. Print on both sides of the paper-maximum 2 > > > pages > per > > > leg. Make sure that the person manning the "booth" at the hotel is > > > knowledgeable about everything that is being given to participants. > > > Third: Cost. It won't be difficult to produce a few pages for each > > > of > say > > 50 > > > cars but if you get into giving away maps ($3.00 each) this could > > > become > a > > > burden and will not be covered by the route entry fee. Are we > considering > > an > > > extra charge per sector? Fundraising may be possible but may not > > > work everywhere. > > > Conclusion: Simple, flexible friendly. > > > Jamie wrote: > > > Perhaps these "hand-offs" can be held at the end of the 'last day' > > > in a "previous" Sector, like either during a dinner get together for > > > some of > us > > > and/or available at the 'main' hotel/motel we may choose for a > > > gathering place for the evening before we enter a new Sector the > > > next day. Gregory is correct in thinking it won't be near as fun if > > > we are too > > rigid, > > > but I'd like to think we will pull our numbers together often along > > > the route and show a high visibility to the public, thus making a > > > statement about Jaguars that goes beyond "gee look at that car". I > > > like to see us make an impact on the "local" public. Maybe we might > > > even make the > local > > > news hour as we pass through a Sector. Again the perfect > > > opportunity is > > at > > > least everyother day as we come to rest for the evening at a > > > specific > > stop. > > > Then the next morning there should be an "official starting time, > > > again > to > > > show a multitude of Jaguars starting off at once. > > > Hey, this is just a kind of wish list, I don't want to get too > regimented > > > either. So I'm just throwing things out on the table for discussion > here. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Bob wrote: > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 PM > > > Gregory ... you've made several good points, and ones I'd like all > > > the SC's perhaps to comment on. In fact, I did envision a hand-off > > > point as > a > > > gathering to start the next Sector, which is why I liked end-of-day > rather > > > than mid-day hand-off-points. And rather than "sitting by the side > > > of > the > > > road for a day" type of approach, I saw a gathering at a certain > > > place > at > > > a certain time, with perhaps a fifteen minute or half hour > > > orientation. I'm also thinking of handing over more than the route > > > maps. A good list of places to eat, stay, shop, get the car fixed, > > > etc., free local > goodies > > > (i.e. pens that don't work, coupons for stuff you don't need - you > > > know, > > the > > > usual!). Emergency phone numbers too. Some good overall City and > > > State/Province maps would be good too. Not a book, but probably a > > > good > 10 > > > pages plus "stuff". > > > Perhaps some of the others can chime in here and let us know what > > > they have found has worked and what has not. To a certain extent > > > we're > > breaking new > > > ground here, but for the most part I think we can gain from others > > > experiences. As you say, "less work = more fun". > > > |-----Original Message----- > > > |Gregory wrote: > > > |Do you mean that the SC have to sit at the side of the road for > > > |hours on end waiting for every individual to come by so that maps > > > |can be handed over? I doubt that many of us have the time or > > > |patience for that (I > definitely > > do > > > |not). Registrants should be given maps ahead of time, or at some > meeting > > > |(say, a meeting point meal). This is not a rally, or at least I > > > |don't see it that way. Suely adults can travel the route set out, > > > |in > > company with > > > |others if desired, not having to be at a "check point" at any given > time. > > If we > > > |make this too regimented, the pleasure disappears. > > > |If I know that the group is meeting at a certain restaurant on a > certain > > > |day, at a certain time, I will be there. But I don't want to be at > > > |"hand-off" point X at a certain time. The concept of a "hand-off" > > > |point surely does not mean that one shepherd hands the flock to > > > |another? It shouldmean that the next sector falls within the > > > |planning > > responsibility of > > > |the next Section Coordinator. > > > |Please, let's make this fun, not work. > > > |Gregory > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 03:26:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Apr 7 02:26:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps References: <3E911F48.26E3B183@interworld.net> Message-ID: <012b01c2fcdf$375a0c30$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ZbnFu2w3lVrtpS9KlOpKRg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I think we definitely want to 'tread the path less travelled'. As long as it's sealed, it should be OK. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Rader To: engl@jonat.org Cc: Hudson Marvel - JONAT ; Steve Ferring - JONAT ; Robert MacLeay - JONAT ; Mike O'Brien - JONAT ; Michael Jensen - JONAT ; Mark Stephenson - JONA ; Larry Karpman - JONAT ; Jeff Booth - JONAT ; Jamie Duffey - JONAT ; Ian Bailey - JAGNUT ; Gregory Andrachuk - JON ; Fried Martin - JONAT ; Daniel Thompson - JONA ; Alan Heartfield - JONAT S ; Barry La Point - JONAT ; Fazal Cader - JONAT Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: JONAT Maps western Legs. I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las vegas to LA. I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should think that we would not want to travel the kinds of routes. I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes? Ron R LA engl@jonat.org wrote: With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps to the website.www.jonat.org-->"The Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps have input (preliminary at that) from the Regina and Ottawa sectors - everything else is selected by the computer as the quickest route. The numbers on the maps are the inputs I put into the programme - some are stops, some are just put into to get the right route.Also keep in mind when I input a location, it takes the route to the City centre of that location. For example, we might not want to go to downtown New York on our tour, but when "New York" is input, it takes you to the middle of downtown New York. The New York Sector Coordinator (that's you Steve!) might want to take us around the city centre.This will perhaps provide a little more food for thought.Bob England --Boundary_(ID_ZbnFu2w3lVrtpS9KlOpKRg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I think we definitely want to 'tread the path less travelled'. As long as it's sealed, it should be OK.
 
Fazal
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Rader
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: JONAT Maps

western Legs.
I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las vegas to LA.
I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should think that we would not
want to travel the kinds of routes.
I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes?
Ron R
LA

engl@jonat.org wrote:

 With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps to the website.www.jonat.org-->"The Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps have input (preliminary at that) from the Regina and Ottawa sectors - everything else is selected by the computer as the quickest route.  The numbers on the maps are the inputs I put into the programme - some are stops, some are just put into to get the right route.Also keep in mind when I input a location, it takes the route to the City centre of that location.  For example, we might not want to go to downtown New York on our tour, but when "New York" is input, it takes you to the middle of downtown New York.  The New York Sector Coordinator (that's you Steve!) might want to take us around the city centre.This will perhaps provide a little more food for thought.Bob England
--Boundary_(ID_ZbnFu2w3lVrtpS9KlOpKRg)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 04:25:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (JONAT Webmaster) Date: Mon Apr 7 03:25:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] A couple of JONAT updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c2fce7$4c3657f0$7701a8c0@c350735a> Way cool stuff Bob and Robert! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:49 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] A couple of JONAT updates A couple of updates have been added/revised on the webpages. First, Robert (Denver) has put together a great brochure, intended to be printed on two sides of an 8.5x11 sheet of paper, and folded once. Take a look at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Brochure.pdf well done Robert! I've also added a few updates to the Sector Coordinator's Guide at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm both can be accessed from www.jonat.org "The Tour" ---> "Coordinator Pages" As always, feel free to provide comments (be gentle please!). Bob England _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 18:08:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 7 17:08:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT Maps In-Reply-To: <3E911F48.26E3B183@interworld.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2FD27.EB4A6B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes ... the computer likes the Interstates as they are quickest. We want the best combination of nice roads, good scenery, and friendly hospitality we can muster. PLEASE select better routes. Bob England -----Original Message----- western Legs. I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las vegas to LA. I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should think that we would not want to travel the kinds of routes. I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes? Ron R LA engl@jonat.org wrote: With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps to the website.www.jonat.org-->"The Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps have input (preliminary at that) from the Regina and Ottawa sectors - everything else is selected by the computer as the quickest route. The numbers on the maps are the inputs I put into the programme - some are stops, some are just put into to get the right route.Also keep in mind when I input a location, it takes the route to the City centre of that location. For example, we might not want to go to downtown New York on our tour, but when "New York" is input, it takes you to the middle of downtown New York. The New York Sector Coordinator (that's you Steve!) might want to take us around the city centre.This will perhaps provide a little more food for thought.Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2FD27.EB4A6B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes = ... the=20 computer likes the Interstates as they are quickest.  We want the = best=20 combination of nice roads, good scenery, and friendly hospitality we can = muster.  PLEASE select better routes.
 
Bob = England
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western Legs. =
I have=20 been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las vegas to = LA.
I=20 noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should = think that=20 we would not
want to travel the kinds of routes.
I am = trying to=20 plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes?
Ron R
LA=20

engl@jonat.org wrote:=20

 With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps to = the=20 website.www.jonat.org-->"The=20 Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps = have input=20 (preliminary at that) from the Regina and Ottawa sectors - = everything else=20 is selected by the computer as the quickest route.  The numbers = on the=20 maps are the inputs I put into the programme - some are stops, some = are just=20 put into to get the right route.Also keep in mind when I input a location, it takes the = route to the=20 City centre of that location.  For example, we might not want = to go to=20 downtown New York on our tour, but when "New York" is input, it = takes you to=20 the middle of downtown New York.  The New York Sector = Coordinator=20 (that's you Steve!) might want to take us around the city=20 centre.This will perhaps provide = a little=20 more food for thought.Bob = England
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2FD27.EB4A6B70-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 19:21:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon Apr 7 18:21:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: <000001c2fc5a$cef4ef90$6601a8c0@Gayle> Message-ID: <003701c2fd64$6a00f600$6501a8c0@attbi.com> We'll see, that's not a bad idea. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fried and Gayle" To: Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > Jamie, > If you are going to emulate Dr G's voluminous book on JagCare - perhaps the > best way is to publish it for download rather than hardcopy - let others > (us) foot the cost for paper and ink - > As a footnote - I have saved every and all emails regarding JONAT since its > inception - > What about the "time capsule" idea I facetiously floated earlier? ;-} > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:27 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > > > The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the > "package". > > An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of > the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour for > each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. > Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and > specifics on each Sector's highlights. > > Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which > can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part of > the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps > with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of > us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the entry fee. > This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a > member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they > could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in > Orlando. > > Thoughts? > > Jamie > ----- Original Message ----- > > Ron wrote: > > I like the idea of selling the complete route book and 2 car decals, > > for door mounting. > > The decals create an Affinity group as you drive. > > ron R LA > > -----Original Message----- > > Mark Stephenson wrote: > > > I'm kind of ambivalent about fees. On one hand, I can see having > > > them to offset costs. On the other, members of our club have put > > > together runs > > using > > > maps and the Internet and it didn't cost us a dime. Consequently it > didn't > > > cost anything to take part. Having put together a 1000 mile 3-day > > > event, > > and > > > putting everything on-line, as I suggested in an earlier post, I'm > trying > > to > > > think of what costs we'll have. Website hosting? > > > I think if there is any charge, it should be nominal, but if it's > nominal, > > > then the question becomes, will administering it be more hassle than > it's > > > worth? What if someone, only wants to do part of the route? A per > > > mile charge? If the cost is not nominal, then we have the problem of > > > people taking the route and not paying. They are public roads after > > > all. IMHO, we need to think more in terms of having people pay for > > > what they > > use. > > > Let's not charge for a sector, let's charge for the route book(s) -- > take > > > orders and have them ready for the people who order them. How do you > make > > > the route book an added value item? On-line, we'd have the barebones > route > > > direction. The route book would include stories of items of interest > > > in > > our > > > sectors, articles of historical interest that give local flavor. If > > someone > > > wants to print the basic route from the web site, no charge. Here's > > > another idea (Oh, no! I'm brainstorming): Let's have the SCs come > > up > > > with commemorative items for each leg of the route -- pins, hats, > > > very regional things, like a cactus sculpture for Arizona, would get > > > my > vote -- > > > engraved with the tour, sector and year. Do we want a poster? Our > > > logo > is > > > excellent and would look fantastic as part of a detailed 2x3 ft. map > > > of > > the > > > tour. Back to the route book: the cover is the poster. We sell ads > > > (sponsorships) and place (recognize) them in the program. > > > I know this isn't the JCNA Challenge Championship, but there's no > > > reason > > we > > > can't get some sponsors. Dennis Eynon raised $75,000 from sponsors > > > for > the > > > CC here. That's why people who show up are getting about $400 worth > > > of meals, gifts and goodies for $259, (and why, if you haven't made > > > arrangements to be here, you'll be kicking yourself :-> -- > > > http://www.jcna.com/library/jcc03/index.html for all the details.) > > > There's no reason why we couldn't get $10K to offset our costs, > depending > > on > > > how many people we have. The sponsorships cover our initial costs. > > > We > sell > > > the route book(s)/posters at our cost or for a little profit > > > recouping > the > > > sponsorship money so we have something to start the next JONAT. We > > > sell > > the > > > sector mementos for a little profit, which might be distributed to > > > the > SCs > > > and their helpers to cover a miniscule portion of their hard work, > > > or perhaps we cover the SCs, etc. We just have to work out the > > > details, > > things > > > like books for each sector vs. a big book for the whole route. Hey, > > > how about a binder to hold them all. (Sorry, brainstorming again.) > > > I've done so much organizing for the CC that I have names, > > > suppliers, > etc. > > > for people who can do all this stuff. > > > Mark - AZ > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Jamie wrote: > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:53 AM > > > I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the > > > fees. > As > > > with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the occasional > straggler > > > who didn't pay for a certain Sector. For these I suggest we bump > > > the "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a Sector defray > > > costs as > > there > > > may be some involved with setup coordination and Handbook > > > generation. > Or > > > this could be handled at the Sector level. > > > Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!) So my > > > proposal > is > > > that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be donated to > > > either a single charity or a handful we all agree on. This charity > > > idea has been > a > > > part of the initial concept from the beginning. It like most > > > everything else has not been firmed up yet due to priorities so far. > > > But it (they) > > are > > > coming. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Fazal wrote: > > > Definitely. A check-in desk at every 'Sector HQ' would be a great > > > help. > > I'm > > > assuming this would be the hotel/motel that the bulk of the people > > > book into. The binder given at the start should contain the overall > > > route, all SC contact numbers, etc. At each check-in desk, in each > > > sector, should be another 'glad bag' with the standardized route > > > info plus any sponsorship stuff that we may be lucky to get. > > > I sincerely feel that there should be a JONAT fee plus a fee/sector > > > travelled. The more you travel, the more you pay. This would cover both > > > JONAT admin costs as well as Sector fees. The SC can then be re-imbursed > > for > > > that sectors expenses. You will have to do some estimates of costs > > > and > > work > > > out the fees. > > > [THOUGHT: we will need a classy looking, weather proof sticker for > > > the windscreen to identify JONAT cars. Preferably one tat can be > > > seen & identified from a small distance away. The stickers should be > > > serial numbered and the list distributed to SC's so that we can > > > ensure that > > people > > > have paid for the sectors travelled.] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Mike O'Brien wrote: > > > I would like to offer my view on the sector briefings. First where > > > and when. While some folks may caravan this route there > will > > be > > > many who will take their own time. My view is to set up a place at > > > the entrance to the recommended hotel where each participant can > > > stop on > their > > > way into the hotel and get what they need for the next sector. If > > > there > is > > a > > > gathering it will be less encumbered by not having to stop what > > > should > be > > > casual enterainment to brief folks on administration. > > > Second- what: A binder with 10 pages per sector will have 350 pages > > > plus local maps for those going around the whole route. People will > > > likely be tired and not too appreciative of having to read a pile of > > > bumpf on > > arrival. > > > Keep this simple. a one page map with instructions per leg plus a > > > recommendation for dinner at the next stop and lunch along the way > > > and places of interest. Print on both sides of the paper-maximum 2 > > > pages > per > > > leg. Make sure that the person manning the "booth" at the hotel is > > > knowledgeable about everything that is being given to participants. > > > Third: Cost. It won't be difficult to produce a few pages for each > > > of > say > > 50 > > > cars but if you get into giving away maps ($3.00 each) this could > > > become > a > > > burden and will not be covered by the route entry fee. Are we > considering > > an > > > extra charge per sector? Fundraising may be possible but may not > > > work everywhere. > > > Conclusion: Simple, flexible friendly. > > > Jamie wrote: > > > Perhaps these "hand-offs" can be held at the end of the 'last day' > > > in a "previous" Sector, like either during a dinner get together for > > > some of > us > > > and/or available at the 'main' hotel/motel we may choose for a > > > gathering place for the evening before we enter a new Sector the > > > next day. Gregory is correct in thinking it won't be near as fun if > > > we are too > > rigid, > > > but I'd like to think we will pull our numbers together often along > > > the route and show a high visibility to the public, thus making a > > > statement about Jaguars that goes beyond "gee look at that car". I > > > like to see us make an impact on the "local" public. Maybe we might > > > even make the > local > > > news hour as we pass through a Sector. Again the perfect > > > opportunity is > > at > > > least everyother day as we come to rest for the evening at a > > > specific > > stop. > > > Then the next morning there should be an "official starting time, > > > again > to > > > show a multitude of Jaguars starting off at once. > > > Hey, this is just a kind of wish list, I don't want to get too > regimented > > > either. So I'm just throwing things out on the table for discussion > here. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Bob wrote: > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 PM > > > Gregory ... you've made several good points, and ones I'd like all > > > the SC's perhaps to comment on. In fact, I did envision a hand-off > > > point as > a > > > gathering to start the next Sector, which is why I liked end-of-day > rather > > > than mid-day hand-off-points. And rather than "sitting by the side > > > of > the > > > road for a day" type of approach, I saw a gathering at a certain > > > place > at > > > a certain time, with perhaps a fifteen minute or half hour > > > orientation. I'm also thinking of handing over more than the route > > > maps. A good list of places to eat, stay, shop, get the car fixed, > > > etc., free local > goodies > > > (i.e. pens that don't work, coupons for stuff you don't need - you > > > know, > > the > > > usual!). Emergency phone numbers too. Some good overall City and > > > State/Province maps would be good too. Not a book, but probably a > > > good > 10 > > > pages plus "stuff". > > > Perhaps some of the others can chime in here and let us know what > > > they have found has worked and what has not. To a certain extent > > > we're > > breaking new > > > ground here, but for the most part I think we can gain from others > > > experiences. As you say, "less work = more fun". > > > |-----Original Message----- > > > |Gregory wrote: > > > |Do you mean that the SC have to sit at the side of the road for > > > |hours on end waiting for every individual to come by so that maps > > > |can be handed over? I doubt that many of us have the time or > > > |patience for that (I > definitely > > do > > > |not). Registrants should be given maps ahead of time, or at some > meeting > > > |(say, a meeting point meal). This is not a rally, or at least I > > > |don't see it that way. Suely adults can travel the route set out, > > > |in > > company with > > > |others if desired, not having to be at a "check point" at any given > time. > > If we > > > |make this too regimented, the pleasure disappears. > > > |If I know that the group is meeting at a certain restaurant on a > certain > > > |day, at a certain time, I will be there. But I don't want to be at > > > |"hand-off" point X at a certain time. The concept of a "hand-off" > > > |point surely does not mean that one shepherd hands the flock to > > > |another? It shouldmean that the next sector falls within the > > > |planning > > responsibility of > > > |the next Section Coordinator. > > > |Please, let's make this fun, not work. > > > |Gregory > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 00:15:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon Apr 7 23:15:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps References: Message-ID: <3E925C0E.EF3D1C43@interworld.net> --------------164E23F47D6CC74CC3932736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok. I will get my committee on it. but please confirm that you want me to start from las vegas. Really? just a flat spot in the desert to me. Ron Bob wrote: > Yes ... the computer likes the Interstates as they are quickest. We want the > best combination of nice roads, good scenery, and friendly hospitality we can > muster. PLEASE select better routes.Bob England > > -----Original Message----- > > western Legs. > I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las > vegas to LA. > I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should > think that we would not > want to travel the kinds of routes. > I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes? > Ron R > LA > > --------------164E23F47D6CC74CC3932736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok. I will get my committee on it.
but please confirm that you want me to start from las vegas.
Really?
just a flat spot in the desert to me.
Ron

Bob wrote:

 Yes ... the computer likes the Interstates as they are quickest.  We want the best combination of nice roads, good scenery, and friendly hospitality we can muster.  PLEASE select better routes.Bob England
-----Original Message-----
 
western Legs.
I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las vegas to LA.
I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should think that we would not
want to travel the kinds of routes.
I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes?
Ron R
LA
 
--------------164E23F47D6CC74CC3932736-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 00:22:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 7 23:22:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps In-Reply-To: <3E925C0E.EF3D1C43@interworld.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C2FD5C.2C443000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The start point is up to you, as there is no LV coordinator at present. Whatever you feel might be appropriate. Bob -----Original Message----- Ok. I will get my committee on it. but please confirm that you want me to start from las vegas. Really? just a flat spot in the desert to me. Ron ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C2FD5C.2C443000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The = start point=20 is up to you, as there is no LV coordinator at present.  Whatever = you feel=20 might be appropriate.
 
Bob
-----Original Message-----

Ok. I will get = my=20 committee on it.
but please confirm that you want me to start from = las=20 vegas.
Really?
just a flat spot in the desert to me.
Ron=20
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C2FD5C.2C443000-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 14:02:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Apr 9 13:02:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary In-Reply-To: <004701c2fc4f$9863f9e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2FE97.EFF346D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so. Please check out http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf You will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for that area. Comments? Questions? Concerns? Bob England WWW.JONAT.ORG ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2FE97.EFF346D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have done a = little work on=20 the itinerary over the past day or so.  Please check=20 out
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdf
You will note I = have started=20 the Tour 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the = night of=20 April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned = for=20 that area.
 
Comments? =20 Questions?  Concerns?
 
Bob = England
WWW.JONAT.ORG
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2FE97.EFF346D0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 01:48:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Thu Apr 10 00:48:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary References: Message-ID: <3E95149D.3D5568F6@interworld.net> --------------A7CF991355FD11FA47A08311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark (AZ): any thoughts on a better route from the end of the route 66 tour to LA? how does everyone feel about Las Vegas? ron R Las Vegas to LA to SLO Bob wrote: > I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so. Please > check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have started > the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of > April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for > that area.Comments? Questions? Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG --------------A7CF991355FD11FA47A08311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark (AZ):
any thoughts on a better route from the end of the route 66 tour to LA?
how does everyone feel about Las Vegas?
ron R
Las Vegas to LA to SLO

Bob wrote:

 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so.  Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for that area.Comments?  Questions?  Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG
--------------A7CF991355FD11FA47A08311-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 01:53:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Thu Apr 10 00:53:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary References: Message-ID: <3E9515CF.7A95B977@interworld.net> --------------0EDCAF551FF2554ED1C65EDF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA on Cinco de Mayo. The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the Petersen Automotive Museum in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs! Ron Bob wrote: > I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so. Please > check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have started > the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of > April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for > that area.Comments? Questions? Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG --------------0EDCAF551FF2554ED1C65EDF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA on Cinco de Mayo.
The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the Petersen Automotive Museum in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs!
Ron

Bob wrote:

 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so.  Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for that area.Comments?  Questions?  Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG
--------------0EDCAF551FF2554ED1C65EDF-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 07:15:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu Apr 10 06:15:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary References: <3E95149D.3D5568F6@interworld.net> Message-ID: <011601c2ff5a$7e3160e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C2FF1F.D0D6C3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I personally don't care either way. I'm past the age of being impressed = with crowds and staying up until all hours of the night. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary Mark (AZ):=20 any thoughts on a better route from the end of the route 66 tour to = LA? how does everyone feel about Las Vegas?=20 ron R=20 Las Vegas to LA to SLO=20 Bob wrote:=20 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so. = Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I = have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in Williams = AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is = already planned for that area.Comments? Questions? Concerns?Bob = EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C2FF1F.D0D6C3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I personally don't care either = way.  I'm past=20 the age of being impressed with crowds and staying up until all hours of = the=20 night. <smile>
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron Rader=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 = 11:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated=20 Itinerary

Mark (AZ):
any thoughts on a better route from the = end of=20 the route 66 tour to LA?
how does everyone feel about Las Vegas? =
ron R=20
Las Vegas to LA to SLO=20

Bob wrote:=20

 I=20 have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or = so. =20 Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have = started the Tour=20 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night = of April=20 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned = for that=20 area.Comments?  = Questions? =20 Concerns?Bob = EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG
------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C2FF1F.D0D6C3C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 09:37:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 10 08:37:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary References: <3E95149D.3D5568F6@interworld.net> <011601c2ff5a$7e3160e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <00b301c2ff6e$73f22650$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C2FFC2.451AD580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable C'mon, Jamie, you are only as old as the person you feel! Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie - JONAT=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary I personally don't care either way. I'm past the age of being = impressed with crowds and staying up until all hours of the night. = Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary Mark (AZ):=20 any thoughts on a better route from the end of the route 66 tour to = LA? how does everyone feel about Las Vegas?=20 ron R=20 Las Vegas to LA to SLO=20 Bob wrote:=20 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or = so. Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will = note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in = Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 = tour that is already planned for that area.Comments? Questions? = Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C2FFC2.451AD580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
C'mon, Jamie, you are only as old as = the person you=20 feel!
 
Fazal
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jamie - = JONAT=20
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 = 10:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated=20 Itinerary

I personally don't care either = way.  I'm=20 past the age of being impressed with crowds and staying up until all = hours of=20 the night. <smile>
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron=20 Rader
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, = 2003 11:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated=20 Itinerary

Mark (AZ):
any thoughts on a better route from = the end of=20 the route 66 tour to LA?
how does everyone feel about Las Vegas? =
ron=20 R
Las Vegas to LA to SLO=20

Bob wrote:=20

 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past = day or=20 so.  Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have = started the=20 Tour 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the = night of=20 April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already = planned=20 for that area.Comments?  = Questions? =20 Concerns?Bob = EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C2FFC2.451AD580-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 09:40:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 10 08:40:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary References: <3E9515CF.7A95B977@interworld.net> Message-ID: <00c901c2ff6e$d28fa570$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C2FFC2.A3CDB160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, since its my b'day on the 6th I'll be expecting Jamie & Bob to = shout me a beer!. So that fits in well. Fazal Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA on Cinco de Mayo.=20 The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the Petersen Automotive Museum = in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs!=20 Ron=20 Bob wrote:=20 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so. = Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I = have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in Williams = AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is = already planned for that area.Comments? Questions? Concerns?Bob = EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C2FFC2.A3CDB160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, since its my b'day on the 6th = I'll be=20 expecting Jamie & Bob to shout me a beer!.
So that fits in well.
 
Fazal
Executive Committee, = JONAT
Administrator,=20 ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron Rader=20
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 = 4:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated=20 Itinerary

With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA on = Cinco de=20 Mayo.
The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the Petersen = Automotive Museum=20 in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs!
Ron=20

Bob wrote:=20

 I=20 have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or = so. =20 Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have = started the Tour=20 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night = of April=20 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned = for that=20 area.Comments?  = Questions? =20 Concerns?Bob = EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG
------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C2FFC2.A3CDB160-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 11:34:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu Apr 10 10:34:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary In-Reply-To: <3E95149D.3D5568F6@interworld.net> Message-ID: <002201c2ff7e$c476aff0$6400a8c0@jot> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2FF44.1817D7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron, et. al., =20 I'm not overly excited about a trip to Vegas, but I think people who = haven't been there might feel inexorably drawn to the lights. We really could = use some feedback from other JONATers. I don't know what the road is like, = but AZ 95 to I-40 to US 95 to Vegas might work.=20 =20 As I see it, we have two options. It is a 90+ mile drive to Las Vegas. = It would be a very short day if we stay overnight in LV. Hoover Dam would = be an interesting stop along the way. From LV to Barstow, about 150 miles, = it's all Interstate. =20 Surprisingly Needles to Barstow is only a few miles less, however we = could consider our Rt. 66 trek because there is quite a bit of old Rt. 66 = left. The drawback is that this crosses the Mojave desert -- a formidable = place even into the forties and fifties. If it's a hot day, that could be a problem for old Jaguars. I don't have topo maps of CA, but I think we'll face the same problem between LV and Barstow. =20 Mark -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary Mark (AZ):=20 any thoughts on a better route from the end of the route 66 tour to LA? how does everyone feel about Las Vegas?=20 ron R=20 Las Vegas to LA to SLO=20 Bob wrote:=20 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so. = Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is = already planned for that area.Comments? Questions? Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2FF44.1817D7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ron, et.=20 al.,
 
I'm not overly = excited about a=20 trip to Vegas, but I think people who haven't been there might feel = inexorably drawn to the lights. We really could use some feedback from = other=20 JONATers. I don't know what the road is like, but AZ 95 to I-40 to = US 95 to=20 Vegas might work.
 
As I see it, we = have two=20 options. It is a 90+ mile drive to Las Vegas. It would be a very short = day if we=20 stay overnight in LV. Hoover Dam would be an interesting stop along the = way.=20 >From LV to Barstow, about 150 miles, it's all = Interstate.
 
Surprisingly = Needles to Barstow=20 is only a few miles less, however we could consider our Rt. 66 trek = because=20 there is quite a bit of old Rt. 66 left. The drawback is that this = crosses the=20 Mojave desert -- a formidable place even into the forties and fifties. = If it's a=20 hot day, that could be a problem for old Jaguars. I don't have topo maps = of CA,=20 but I think we'll face the same problem between LV and=20 Barstow.
 
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf Of=20 Ron Rader
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:52 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated=20 Itinerary

Mark (AZ):
any thoughts on a better = route=20 from the end of the route 66 tour to LA?
how does everyone feel = about Las=20 Vegas?
ron R
Las Vegas to LA to SLO=20

Bob wrote:=20

 I=20 have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or = so. =20 Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have = started the Tour=20 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night = of April=20 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned = for that=20 area.Comments?  = Questions? =20 Concerns?Bob = EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2FF44.1817D7F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 17:27:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fried and Gayle) Date: Thu Apr 10 16:27:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary In-Reply-To: <00c901c2ff6e$d28fa570$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <000f01c2ffb0$1d068a10$6601a8c0@Gayle> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_rqVaJr0LBE1QOcKH2BIDfQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Fazal, Since you are moving up in years - will one beer "shouted" your way suffice? or do we need to offer it Intravenously? Fire hose a better solution? Especially next year when you come over to the U.S.!!! (and I don't want to hear any BS about our American Beer) Best wishes (for the shortly upcoming one)!!! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:38 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary Well, since its my b'day on the 6th I'll be expecting Jamie & Bob to shout me a beer!. So that fits in well. Fazal Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.jonat.org"www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:rader@interworld.net"Ron Rader To: HYPERLINK "mailto:jonat@autox.team.net"jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA on Cinco de Mayo. The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the Petersen Automotive Museum in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs! Ron Bob wrote: I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so. Please check outHYPERLINK "http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf"http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinera ry.pdfYou will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for that area.Comments? Questions? Concerns?Bob EnglandHYPERLINK "http://www.JONAT.ORG"WWW.JONAT.ORG --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 --Boundary_(ID_rqVaJr0LBE1QOcKH2BIDfQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Fazal,
 
Since you are moving up in years - will one beer "shouted" your way suffice?  or do we need to offer it Intravenously?  Fire hose a better solution? Especially next year when you come over to the U.S.!!! (and I don't want to hear any BS about our American Beer)
 
Best wishes (for the shortly upcoming one)!!!
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:38 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary

Well, since its my b'day on the 6th I'll be expecting Jamie & Bob to shout me a beer!.
So that fits in well.
 
Fazal
Executive Committee, JONAT
Administrator, ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Rader
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary

With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA on Cinco de Mayo.
The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the Petersen Automotive Museum in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs!
Ron

Bob wrote:

 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so.  Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for that area.Comments?  Questions?  Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG

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--Boundary_(ID_rqVaJr0LBE1QOcKH2BIDfQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 20:13:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Apr 10 19:13:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary In-Reply-To: <002201c2ff7e$c476aff0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: Mark / Ron A couple of my own thoughts on taking the Tour through LV: - we have no SC for Las Vegas at this point, so if the general consensus is to take the Tour around LV, we still have that option. - on the other-hand, I was there myself last September for a week and was worried that I would be bored as I am not much of a gambler (I spent $0 in the casinos - now THAT's willpower). I found to my surprise that there was a fair amount to do, including the Shelby factory, the Speedway, Hoover Dam, the architecture on the strip, day trips to Valley of Fire and the like, and of course the shows. - on the other-other-hand, if we have a high percentage of locals on the Tour (which I suspect will be the case), they will have probably been there, done that, etc. My vote would be to keep it on the tour (provided we get a volunteer from that area), but I'd be interested to hear others comments. Bob -----Original Message----- Ron, et. al., I'm not overly excited about a trip to Vegas, but I think people who haven't been there might feel inexorably drawn to the lights. We really could use some feedback from other JONATers. I don't know what the road is like, but AZ 95 to I-40 to US 95 to Vegas might work. As I see it, we have two options. It is a 90+ mile drive to Las Vegas. It would be a very short day if we stay overnight in LV. Hoover Dam would be an interesting stop along the way. >From LV to Barstow, about 150 miles, it's all Interstate. Surprisingly Needles to Barstow is only a few miles less, however we could consider our Rt. 66 trek because there is quite a bit of old Rt. 66 left. The drawback is that this crosses the Mojave desert -- a formidable place even into the forties and fifties. If it's a hot day, that could be a problem for old Jaguars. I don't have topo maps of CA, but I think we'll face the same problem between LV and Barstow. Mark From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 20:50:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Apr 10 19:50:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] New Calgary Sector Coordinator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all ! Fred in Calgary has found a permanent Sector Co-ordinator in the person of Craig Talbot. Fred has done a great job in getting things rolling in Calgary, and sounds like he will still be helping Craig out in one form or another. Barry (Okanagan) and Ian (Regina)- it's probably worthwhile getting in touch with Craig at talbotc@telus.net and introducing yourselves. Glad to have you aboard Craig! Bob England www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 01:20:18 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Fri Apr 11 00:20:18 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary References: <002201c2ff7e$c476aff0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <3E965FB0.9488BBFA@interworld.net> --------------51B9713F54F71E806FD85160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i will get some better maps and ponder it some more. Ron Mark Stephenson wrote: > Ron, et. al.,I'm not overly excited about a trip to Vegas, but I think people > who haven't been there might feel inexorably drawn to the lights. We really > could use some feedback from other JONATers. I don't know what the road is > like, but AZ 95 to I-40 to US 95 to Vegas might work. As I see it, we have two > options. It is a 90+ mile drive to Las Vegas. It would be a very short day if > we stay overnight in LV. Hoover Dam would be an interesting stop along the > way. >From LV to Barstow, about 150 miles, it's all Interstate.Surprisingly > Needles to Barstow is only a few miles less, however we could consider our Rt. > 66 trek because there is quite a bit of old Rt. 66 left. The drawback is that > this crosses the Mojave desert -- a formidable place even into the forties and > fifties. If it's a hot day, that could be a problem for old Jaguars. I don't > have topo maps of CA, but I think we'll face the same problem between LV and > Barstow.Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:52 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary > > Mark (AZ): > any thoughts on a better route from the end of the route 66 tour to > LA? > how does everyone feel about Las Vegas? > ron R > Las Vegas to LA to SLO > > Bob wrote: > > > I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or > > so. Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou > > will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we > > can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up > > with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for that > > area.Comments? Questions? Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG > --------------51B9713F54F71E806FD85160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i will get some better maps and ponder it some more.
Ron

Mark Stephenson wrote:

 Ron, et. al.,I'm not overly excited about a trip to Vegas, but I think people who haven't been there might feel inexorably drawn to the lights. We really could use some feedback from other JONATers. I don't know what the road is like, but AZ 95 to I-40 to US 95 to Vegas might work. As I see it, we have two options. It is a 90+ mile drive to Las Vegas. It would be a very short day if we stay overnight in LV. Hoover Dam would be an interesting stop along the way. >From LV to Barstow, about 150 miles, it's all Interstate.Surprisingly Needles to Barstow is only a few miles less, however we could consider our Rt. 66 trek because there is quite a bit of old Rt. 66 left. The drawback is that this crosses the Mojave desert -- a formidable place even into the forties and fifties. If it's a hot day, that could be a problem for old Jaguars. I don't have topo maps of CA, but I think we'll face the same problem between LV and Barstow.Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:52 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary
 
Mark (AZ):
any thoughts on a better route from the end of the route 66 tour to LA?
how does everyone feel about Las Vegas?
ron R
Las Vegas to LA to SLO

Bob wrote:

I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or so.  Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is already planned for that area.Comments?  Questions?  Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG
--------------51B9713F54F71E806FD85160-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 03:50:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Fri Apr 11 02:50:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary References: <000f01c2ffb0$1d068a10$6601a8c0@Gayle> Message-ID: <000f01c30007$129ee480$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3005A.E3C91A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThanks and as long as its a Miller, OK, I guess. After all we = Aussies do have the best beer in the world! As one of our Prime Ministers once said ' if you drink American beer = you'll be sadder 'Budweiser's in the morning. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fried and Gayle=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary Fazal, Since you are moving up in years - will one beer "shouted" your way = suffice? or do we need to offer it Intravenously? Fire hose a better = solution? Especially next year when you come over to the U.S.!!! (and I = don't want to hear any BS about our American Beer) Best wishes (for the shortly upcoming one)!!! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:38 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary Well, since its my b'day on the 6th I'll be expecting Jamie & Bob to = shout me a beer!. So that fits in well. Fazal Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Updated Itinerary With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA on Cinco de = Mayo.=20 The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the Petersen Automotive = Museum in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs!=20 Ron=20 Bob wrote:=20 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the past day or = so. Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will = note I have started the Tour 1 day earlier. This is so we can be in = Williams AZ the night of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 = tour that is already planned for that area.Comments? Questions? = Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3005A.E3C91A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks and as long as its a Miller, OK, = I guess.=20 After all we Aussies do have the best beer in the = world!
As one of our Prime Ministers once said = ' if you=20 drink American beer you'll be sadder 'Budweiser's in the = morning.
 
Fazal
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fried and=20 Gayle
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 = 8:25=20 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Updated=20 Itinerary

Fazal,
 
Since you are = moving up in=20 years - will one beer "shouted" your way suffice?  or do we need = to offer=20 it Intravenously?  Fire hose a better solution? Especially = next year=20 when you come over to the U.S.!!! (and I don't want to hear any BS = about our=20 American Beer)
 
Best wishes (for = the shortly=20 upcoming one)!!!
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf=20 Of Fazal Cader
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:38=20 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Updated=20 Itinerary

Well, since its my b'day on the 6th = I'll be=20 expecting Jamie & Bob to shout me a beer!.
So that fits in well.
 
Fazal
Executive Committee, = JONAT
Administrator,=20 ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ron=20 Rader
Sent: Thursday, April 10, = 2003 4:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Updated=20 Itinerary

With the new schedule you now have a full day in LA = on=20 Cinco de Mayo.
The 5th of may. I see a big dinner at the = Petersen=20 Automotive Museum in conjunction with the LA Jaguar clubs!
Ron =

Bob wrote:=20

 I have done a little work on the itinerary over the = past day or=20 so.  Please check outhttp://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdfYou will note I have = started the=20 Tour 1 day earlier.  This is so we can be in Williams AZ = the night=20 of April 30 / May 1 to meet up with a Route 66 tour that is = already=20 planned for that area.Comments?  Questions?  = Concerns?Bob EnglandWWW.JONAT.ORG

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3005A.E3C91A50-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 12 11:29:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Sat Apr 12 10:29:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps References: <3E911F48.26E3B183@interworld.net> <012b01c2fcdf$375a0c30$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <017201c30110$7b7deaa0$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_RvUm/nMpMru3jFdHIqQ6EA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I personally do not like to travel the "beaten path" unless there is a "Point of Interest" that should not be missed. This of course does not preclude Tour members from taking an alternate route as long as they end up in the same place. This can often be dictated by the age of the vehicle they are piloting. In British Columbia there is one main route but there are secondary routes that are well paved and very scenic. I hope to incorporate both venues in my sector of the route. This will give the drivers alternatives but will all end at the pre-determined stop over. The proposed stop over at Lake Louise will pose a problem in accomodations as the main Hotel is the Chateau Lake Louise which is very expensive, but beautifull. Banff, Aberta or Golden, B.C. have a more varied choice of accomodations. I will iron this out with Craig in Calgary. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat-EC/SC Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps I think we definitely want to 'tread the path less travelled'. As long as it's sealed, it should be OK. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Rader To: engl@jonat.org Cc: Hudson Marvel - JONAT ; Steve Ferring - JONAT ; Robert MacLeay - JONAT ; Mike O'Brien - JONAT ; Michael Jensen - JONAT ; Mark Stephenson - JONA ; Larry Karpman - JONAT ; Jeff Booth - JONAT ; Jamie Duffey - JONAT ; Ian Bailey - JAGNUT ; Gregory Andrachuk - JON ; Fried Martin - JONAT ; Daniel Thompson - JONA ; Alan Heartfield - JONAT S ; Barry La Point - JONAT ; Fazal Cader - JONAT Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: JONAT Maps western Legs. I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las vegas to LA. I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should think that we would not want to travel the kinds of routes. I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes? Ron R LA engl@jonat.org wrote: With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps to the website.www.jonat.org-->"The Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps have input (preliminary at that) from the Regina and Ottawa sectors - everything else is selected by the computer as the quickest route. The numbers on the maps are the inputs I put into the programme - some are stops, some are just put into to get the right route.Also keep in mind when I input a location, it takes the route to the City centre of that location. For example, we might not want to go to downtown New York on our tour, but when "New York" is input, it takes you to the middle of downtown New York. The New York Sector Coordinator (that's you Steve!) might want to take us around the city centre.This will perhaps provide a little more food for thought.Bob England --Boundary_(ID_RvUm/nMpMru3jFdHIqQ6EA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I personally do not like to travel the "beaten path" unless there is a "Point of Interest" that should not be missed. This of course does not preclude Tour members from taking an alternate route as long as they end up in the same place. This can often be dictated by the age of the vehicle they are piloting. In British Columbia there is one main route but there are secondary routes that are well paved and very scenic. I hope to incorporate both venues in my sector of the route. This will give the drivers alternatives but will all end at the pre-determined stop over. The proposed stop over at Lake Louise will pose a problem in accomodations as the main Hotel is the Chateau Lake Louise which is very expensive, but beautifull. Banff, Aberta or Golden, B.C. have a more varied choice of accomodations. I will iron this out with Craig in Calgary.
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:25 AM
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I think we definitely want to 'tread the path less travelled'. As long as it's sealed, it should be OK.
 
Fazal
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Rader
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: JONAT Maps

western Legs.
I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las vegas to LA.
I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i should think that we would not
want to travel the kinds of routes.
I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes?
Ron R
LA

engl@jonat.org wrote:

 With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps to the website.www.jonat.org-->"The Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps have input (preliminary at that) from the Regina and Ottawa sectors - everything else is selected by the computer as the quickest route.  The numbers on the maps are the inputs I put into the programme - some are stops, some are just put into to get the right route.Also keep in mind when I input a location, it takes the route to the City centre of that location.  For example, we might not want to go to downtown New York on our tour, but when "New York" is input, it takes you to the middle of downtown New York.  The New York Sector Coordinator (that's you Steve!) might want to take us around the city centre.This will perhaps provide a little more food for thought.Bob England
--Boundary_(ID_RvUm/nMpMru3jFdHIqQ6EA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 12 11:34:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Sat Apr 12 10:34:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff References: <00bb01c2fcdc$6caa73f0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <017801c30111$26f86270$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> I agree with Fazal. I would like to see a pressure sensitive type of decal that would cling to the door of the car to give us an immediate identification of a participent, as they drive around and around looking for the correct route. HA HA. These decals will also peak the curiosity of the locals as the cars tour through. The grill badge would be a permanent keepsake to be displayed on the vehicle or in the shop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > Lets do both. One for posterity and the other for immediacy. We must have > means of identifying participants at a glance or when driving past. > > Fazal > Executive Committee, JONAT > Administrator, ISC > ISC - Australia > www.jonat.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:49 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff > > > > Jamie > > > > Still like the idea of a grille badge rather than a decal (i.e. something > to > > hang in the garage for posterity). > > > > Regarding the end of the tour "yearbook" ... what about a yearbook on CD ? > > > > Bob > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > | > > |The "decals" are in work at this time. So that is a valid item for the > > |"package". > > | > > |An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of > > |the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour > for > > |each registrant? Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr. > > |Andrachuk's JagCare series? It could include maps of the Tour route and > > |specifics on each Sector's highlights. > > | > > |Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item > which > > |can be ordered at the end of the Tour? Or perhaps this should be a part > of > > |the Tour itself. As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps > > |with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all > of > > |us have laptops). The cost could be included in the price of the > > |entry fee. > > |This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where > a > > |member actually starts their portion of the Tour. Or better I guess they > > |could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in > > |Orlando. > > | > > |Thoughts? > > | > > |Jamie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 12 21:21:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sat Apr 12 20:21:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps References: <3E911F48.26E3B183@interworld.net> <012b01c2fcdf$375a0c30$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <017201c30110$7b7deaa0$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: <003001c30163$10b82700$20158890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C301B6.E1B61CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good points, Barry. Thanks Fazal Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry La Pointe=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps I personally do not like to travel the "beaten path" unless there is a = "Point of Interest" that should not be missed. This of course does not = preclude Tour members from taking an alternate route as long as they end = up in the same place. This can often be dictated by the age of the = vehicle they are piloting. In British Columbia there is one main route = but there are secondary routes that are well paved and very scenic. I = hope to incorporate both venues in my sector of the route. This will = give the drivers alternatives but will all end at the pre-determined = stop over. The proposed stop over at Lake Louise will pose a problem in = accomodations as the main Hotel is the Chateau Lake Louise which is very = expensive, but beautifull. Banff, Aberta or Golden, B.C. have a more = varied choice of accomodations. I will iron this out with Craig in = Calgary. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat-EC/SC=20 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT Maps I think we definitely want to 'tread the path less travelled'. As = long as it's sealed, it should be OK. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: engl@jonat.org=20 Cc: Hudson Marvel - JONAT ; Steve Ferring - JONAT ; Robert MacLeay = - JONAT ; Mike O'Brien - JONAT ; Michael Jensen - JONAT ; Mark = Stephenson - JONA ; Larry Karpman - JONAT ; Jeff Booth - JONAT ; Jamie = Duffey - JONAT ; Ian Bailey - JAGNUT ; Gregory Andrachuk - JON ; Fried = Martin - JONAT ; Daniel Thompson - JONA ; Alan Heartfield - JONAT S ; = Barry La Point - JONAT ; Fazal Cader - JONAT=20 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: JONAT Maps western Legs.=20 I have been reviewing the maps starting to plan the route from Las = vegas to LA.=20 I noticed a part of the legs into LV are on interstate 40. i = should think that we would not=20 want to travel the kinds of routes.=20 I am trying to plan LV to LA on secondary roads. Yes?=20 Ron R=20 LA=20 engl@jonat.org wrote:=20 With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps to the = website.www.jonat.org-->"The Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps have = input (preliminary at that) from the Regina and Ottawa sectors - = everything else is selected by the computer as the quickest route. The = numbers on the maps are the inputs I put into the programme - some are = stops, some are just put into to get the right route.Also keep in mind = when I input a location, it takes the route to the City centre of that = location. For example, we might not want to go to downtown New York on = our tour, but when "New York" is input, it takes you to the middle of = downtown New York. The New York Sector Coordinator (that's you Steve!) = might want to take us around the city centre.This will perhaps provide a = little more food for thought.Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C301B6.E1B61CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good points, Barry. Thanks
 
Fazal
Executive Committee, = JONAT
Administrator,=20 ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Barry = La Pointe=20
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 = 2:27=20 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Re: JONAT = Maps

I personally do not like to travel = the "beaten=20 path" unless there is a "Point of Interest" that should not be missed. = This of=20 course does not preclude Tour members from taking an alternate route = as long=20 as they end up in the same place. This can often be dictated by the = age of the=20 vehicle they are piloting. In British Columbia there is one main route = but=20 there are secondary routes that are well paved and very scenic. I hope = to=20 incorporate both venues in my sector of the route. This will give the = drivers=20 alternatives but will all end at the pre-determined stop over. The = proposed=20 stop over at Lake Louise will pose a problem in accomodations as the = main=20 Hotel is the Chateau Lake Louise which is very expensive, but = beautifull.=20 Banff, Aberta or Golden, B.C. have a more varied choice of = accomodations.=20 I will iron this out with Craig in Calgary.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 = 1:25=20 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Re: JONAT = Maps

I think we definitely want to = 'tread the path=20 less travelled'. As long as it's sealed, it should be = OK.
 
Fazal
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ron=20 Rader
Cc: Hudson Marvel - = JONAT ; Steve=20 Ferring - JONAT ; Robert MacLeay - JONAT ; Mike = O'Brien -=20 JONAT ; Michael Jensen - JONAT ; = Mark = Stephenson=20 - JONA ; Larry Karpman - JONAT ; Jeff Booth -=20 JONAT ; Jamie=20 Duffey - JONAT ; Ian Bailey - JAGNUT ; Gregory = Andrachuk -=20 JON ; Fried=20 Martin - JONAT ; Daniel Thompson - JONA ; Alan=20 Heartfield - JONAT S ; Barry La Point - JONAT ; Fazal = Cader -=20 JONAT
Sent: Monday, April 07, = 2003 4:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: JONAT = Maps

western Legs.
I have been reviewing the maps = starting=20 to plan the route from Las vegas to LA.
I noticed a part of = the legs=20 into LV are on interstate 40. i should think that we would = not=20
want to travel the kinds of routes.
I am trying to plan LV = to LA=20 on secondary roads. Yes?
Ron R
LA=20

engl@jonat.org wrote:=20

 With all the discussion today I've posted 5 route maps = to the=20 website.www.jonat.org-->"The=20 Tour"-->"Maps"Keep in mind these maps have input (preliminary at = that) from=20 the Regina and Ottawa sectors - everything else is selected by = the=20 computer as the quickest route.  The numbers on the maps = are the=20 inputs I put into the programme - some are stops, some are just = put into=20 to get the right route.Also keep in mind when I input a location, it takes = the route to=20 the City centre of that location.  For example, we might = not want=20 to go to downtown New York on our tour, but when "New York" is = input, it=20 takes you to the middle of downtown New York.  The New York = Sector=20 Coordinator (that's you Steve!) might want to take us around the = city=20 centre.This will perhaps = provide a=20 little more food for thought.Bob=20 England
= ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C301B6.E1B61CB0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 08:07:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sun Apr 13 07:07:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar Nationals 2003 Message-ID: <00c401c301bd$5cd11980$20158890@FAZAL> Guys, I'll be 'off-line' from Wed 16/4 until about 24/4 as I'll be driving up to Noosa for the National Rally. It should be a blast. I believe its about 2300 miles round-trip and I'm thanking the stars that the weather has changed to rain/cool. Noosa is currently about 26C during the day. Overnighting in Sydney, both ways. The rear end has been overhauled with new rotors & pads (incl h/brake!), new springs & dampers, bearings repacked, new trailing arm bushes, etc, etc. Also, a new muffler and over-pipe. [BTW, this started as a quick change of springs!]. I've changed the oil and I'm testing the properties of ROIL which I've added to the sump. I'll report on that, specifically, when I get back. New radiator, hoses & belts - s***, is there anything else I've forgotten? I've even put Alex's LED changeover in for the shift indicator light. I've added it all up, I could have flown to LA for a week with Disneyland thrown in for the total cost of this exercise. Ah, well. Cheers Fazal MEL/Oz 82 XJ6 www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 09:33:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Apr 13 08:33:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar Nationals 2003 In-Reply-To: <00c401c301bd$5cd11980$20158890@FAZAL> Message-ID: Have fun Fazal ... full report expected when you return ... Bob |-----Original Message----- | |Guys, I'll be 'off-line' from Wed 16/4 until about 24/4 as I'll be driving |up to Noosa for the National Rally. It should be a blast. I believe its |about 2300 miles round-trip and I'm thanking the stars that the weather has |changed to rain/cool. Noosa is currently about 26C during the day. |Overnighting in Sydney, both ways. | |The rear end has been overhauled with new rotors & pads (incl |h/brake!), new |springs & dampers, bearings repacked, new trailing arm bushes, etc, etc. |Also, a new muffler and over-pipe. [BTW, this started as a quick change of |springs!]. I've changed the oil and I'm testing the properties of |ROIL which |I've added to the sump. I'll report on that, specifically, when I get back. |New radiator, hoses & belts - s***, is there anything else I've forgotten? |I've even put Alex's LED changeover in for the shift indicator light. I've |added it all up, I could have flown to LA for a week with Disneyland thrown |in for the total cost of this exercise. Ah, well. | |Cheers |Fazal |MEL/Oz |82 XJ6 |www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 10:23:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 13 09:23:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar Nationals 2003 References: Message-ID: <01ca01c301d0$1d78fec0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Okay, now I can give my "official" answer since I'm on "our" Forum! What do you mean you're taking time off. Did you get that officially cleared with the EC? You are of course taking a laptop so you can still perform your function, aren't you? Reality check ... Have a great time Fazal! And as I mentioned "elsewhere", we can't hardly wait the trip report when you return. Until then ... G'Day Mate!!! Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Jaguar Nationals 2003 > Have fun Fazal ... full report expected when you return ... Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |Guys, I'll be 'off-line' from Wed 16/4 until about 24/4 as I'll be driving > |up to Noosa for the National Rally. It should be a blast. I believe its > |about 2300 miles round-trip and I'm thanking the stars that the weather has > |changed to rain/cool. Noosa is currently about 26C during the day. > |Overnighting in Sydney, both ways. > | > |The rear end has been overhauled with new rotors & pads (incl > |h/brake!), new > |springs & dampers, bearings repacked, new trailing arm bushes, etc, etc. > |Also, a new muffler and over-pipe. [BTW, this started as a quick change of > |springs!]. I've changed the oil and I'm testing the properties of > |ROIL which > |I've added to the sump. I'll report on that, specifically, when I get back. > |New radiator, hoses & belts - s***, is there anything else I've forgotten? > |I've even put Alex's LED changeover in for the shift indicator light. I've > |added it all up, I could have flown to LA for a week with Disneyland thrown > |in for the total cost of this exercise. Ah, well. > | > |Cheers > |Fazal > |MEL/Oz > |82 XJ6 > |www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 10:30:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 13 09:30:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Jaguar Tour (JONAT) member account confirmation Message-ID: <01ea01c301d1$1b311520$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E7_01C30196.6DDF9FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fried. Go to the link below and follow the directions using the = email you registered on the Tour with. It should send you the second = part registration email again. http://jonat.org/user/sendconfmail.cfm Let me know if you aren't successful. As you can see, I'm placing this in the Forum too so it will be = available by other SCs in case one of the folks in their area have a = problem with registration too. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nwjag=20 To: Jamie-JONAT=20 Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: Jaguar Tour (JONAT) member account confirmation From: registrar@jonat.org=20 To: nwjag@comcast.net=20 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: Jaguar Tour (JONAT) member account confirmation Hello Jaguar Enthusiast, Someone (possibly you) has registered for the Jaguar Owners North = American Tour (JONAT) using your email nwjag@comcast.net If you wish to be a member of the JONAT group, please click HERE to = activate your account.=20 If the above link doesn't work, you must copy and paste the line below = into the address bar of your Web Browser. http://jonat.org/user/approve.cfm?person_id=3D6&submitvalue=3D51398 Your account will automatically be activated once you visit the web = address above. If you need further help please contact the registrar, = registrar@jonat.org Happy motoring!=20 Sincerely,=20 the JONAT Registrar http://jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_01E7_01C30196.6DDF9FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Fried.  Go to the link below = and follow the=20 directions using the email you registered on the Tour with.  It = should send=20 you the second part registration email again.
 
http://jonat.org/user/sen= dconfmail.cfm
 
Let me know if you aren't = successful.
 
As you can see, I'm placing this in the = Forum too=20 so it will be available by other SCs in case one of the folks in their = area have=20 a problem with registration too.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----=20
From: nwjag =
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: Jaguar Tour (JONAT) member account = confirmation

Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:30 PM
Subject: Jaguar Tour (JONAT) member account = confirmation

Hello Jaguar Enthusiast,
Someone (possibly you) has registered for the Jaguar Owners North =
American Tour (JONAT) using your email nwjag@comcast.net
If you wish to be a member of the JONAT group, please click HERE to activate your account. 


If the above link doesn't work, you must copy and paste the line =
below into the address bar of your Web Browser.
http://jonat.org/user/approve.cfm?person_id=3D6&submitvalue=3D51398



Your account will automatically be activated once you visit the web =
address above.
If you need further help please contact the registrar, registrar@jonat.org

Happy motoring!=20

Sincerely,=20
the JONAT Registrar
http://jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_01E7_01C30196.6DDF9FC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 11:08:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu Apr 17 10:08:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Another JONAT Accomplishment Message-ID: <006801c304fb$0c7989e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C304C0.5EEC9220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone! We've got another option for spreading the word of the = Tour available to us now. We've completed the negotiations and = succeeded in getting a JONAT Forum opened up on JagSource. Take a look = toward the bottom under the General Discussion section. Here's the link: http://jagsource.org/6/ubb.x?s=3D9116004121&ORIGINAL_REFERRER_URL=3Dhttp%= 3A%2F%2Fjagsource.org%2F6%2Fubb.x%3Fs%3D9116004121 At this point we have been given permission to discuss the Tour freely = on the Jag-Lovers Pub Forum too. I'm hoping to help them understand = that not every serious Jaguar owner is subscribed to the Pub Forum and = it would be helpful if we could gain visibility on either the other = Forums they offer or to have our own Forum on their Site as we currently = have on two other popular Jaguar Forums. So I'm still working this = issue. Jamie Duffey 88 SIII V12 VdP JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C304C0.5EEC9220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone!  We've got another = option for=20 spreading the word of the Tour available to us now.  We've = completed the=20 negotiations and succeeded in getting a JONAT Forum opened up on=20 JagSource.  Take a look toward the bottom under the General = Discussion=20 section.
 
Here's the link:
http://ja= gsource.org/6/ubb.x?s=3D9116004121&ORIGINAL_REFERRER_URL=3Dhttp%3A%2F= %2Fjagsource.org%2F6%2Fubb.x%3Fs%3D9116004121
 
At this point we have been given = permission to=20 discuss the Tour freely on the Jag-Lovers Pub Forum too.  I'm = hoping to=20 help them understand that not every serious Jaguar owner is = subscribed to=20 the Pub Forum and it would be helpful if we could gain visibility on = either the=20 other Forums they offer or to have our own Forum on their Site as we = currently=20 have on two other popular Jaguar Forums.  So I'm still working this = issue.
 
Jamie Duffey
88 SIII V12 VdP
JONAT Executive = Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C304C0.5EEC9220-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 19:08:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Apr 17 18:08:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <006801c304fb$0c7989e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3050B.E3E460C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know. Bob England www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3050B.E3E460C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello guys = !
 
Lest you relax too much this long = weekend, perhaps=20 I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to check = out the route=20 map for your sector at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Maps-Main.htm
and update me with = your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, please = get me at=20 least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please = update me with=20 your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable=20 comment).
 
I would like to get your comments by = Saturday or=20 Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me = directly at=20 engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something together by = then,=20 please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE=20 ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on the = planning you=20 have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is = planning on=20 attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, = perhaps=20 we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over=20 breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on = attending,=20 please let me know.
 
Bob England
www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3050B.E3E460C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 19:29:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu Apr 17 18:29:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: Message-ID: <009501c30541$03501960$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C30506.5607CBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been working on the routing for part of the day. I should be able = to send you input before Sunday for sure. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a = favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary = route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or = route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send = your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any = committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen = All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get = together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch = / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me = know. Bob England www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C30506.5607CBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been working on the routing for = part of the=20 day.  I should be able to send you input before Sunday for=20 sure.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 = 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys = !
 
Lest you relax too much this long = weekend,=20 perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to check = out the=20 route map for your sector at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Maps-Main.htm
and update me = with your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, = please get me at=20 least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please = update me=20 with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable = comment).
 
I would like to get your comments by = Saturday or=20 Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me = directly=20 at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something together = by then,=20 please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE=20 ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on = the planning=20 you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is = planning on=20 attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, = perhaps=20 we could get together for brief introduction and discussions = (over=20 breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on=20 attending, please let me know.
 
Bob = England
www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C30506.5607CBC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 19:50:10 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Thu Apr 17 18:50:10 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: Message-ID: <01ec01c30543$e9108eb0$77214518@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_W19anGodRaJGn9GHgzOVSA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment. It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know. Bob England www.jonat.org --Boundary_(ID_W19anGodRaJGn9GHgzOVSA) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment.
     It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment?
                                        Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys !
 
Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at
and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment).
 
I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on attending, please let me know.
 
Bob England
--Boundary_(ID_W19anGodRaJGn9GHgzOVSA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 19:55:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Thu Apr 17 18:55:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: Message-ID: <01fe01c30544$c8285fb0$77214518@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/xgBawQQkL/Jz8Vl5uW/XA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting then? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know. Bob England www.jonat.org --Boundary_(ID_/xgBawQQkL/Jz8Vl5uW/XA) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting then?
                                                Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys !
 
Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at
and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment).
 
I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on attending, please let me know.
 
Bob England
--Boundary_(ID_/xgBawQQkL/Jz8Vl5uW/XA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 20:09:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu Apr 17 19:09:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <01fe01c30544$c8285fb0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00a501c30546$a3026a80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C3050B.F5A7CD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob are you coming out this way? Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by = 4. what about a meeting then? Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a = favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary = route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments = and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either = send your comments through this list, or to me directly at = engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me = know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any = committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen = All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get = together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch = / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me = know. Bob England www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C3050B.F5A7CD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob are you coming out this = way?
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 = 5:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Bob: I will be at VD, but I have = a dinner=20 commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting = then?
        =             =    =20             =    =20         Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Thursday, April 17, = 2003 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR = COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys = !
 
Lest you relax too much this long = weekend,=20 perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to = check out the=20 route map for your sector at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Maps-Main.htm
and update me = with your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, = please get me=20 at least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please = update me=20 with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an = acceptable=20 comment).
 
I would like to get your comments = by Saturday=20 or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to = me=20 directly at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something = together by then,=20 please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE=20 ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on = the planning=20 you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is = planning on=20 attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next = month,=20 perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and = discussions=20 (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are = planning on=20 attending, please let me know.
 
Bob = England
www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C3050B.F5A7CD60-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 20:40:19 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (craig talbot) Date: Thu Apr 17 19:40:19 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <01fe01c30544$c8285fb0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E9F5925.77ECA3F2@telus.net> I'll be at VD as well. If we are going to be there, why not a meeting during the show? We'll be pretty captive there anyway, otherwise a meeting afterwards sounds fine.

Craig

Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote:

 Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting then?                                                Gregory
From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 21:31:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Thu Apr 17 20:31:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: Message-ID: <3E9F628B.2040008@jonat.org> Hi Bob

While the Ottawa sector (Toronto to Montreal) gives a general overview there are many inaccuracies. i will redo the map in detail next week so that it reads West to East and follows the hiways and byways rather than hwy 401 etc. Good work.

Mike O'Brien
Sector Coordinator
Ottawa Sector

Bob wrote:
Hello guys !
 
Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at
and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment).
 
I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on attending, please let me know.
 
Bob England

From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 21:34:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu Apr 17 20:34:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c30552$a70389f0$6400a8c0@jot> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C30517.FAA4B1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should mention to anyone coming to the JCNA Challenge Championship, = May 1-5, we can get together sometime during the weekend. =20 Mark -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! =20 Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour = (or two). =20 I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. =20 If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary = route. =20 If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or = route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). =20 I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send = your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org. =20 If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know. =20 -- AND THERE's MORE --- =20 Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any = committee setups, etc. =20 As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get = together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner = / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know. =20 Bob England www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C30517.FAA4B1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I should = mention to anyone=20 coming to the JCNA Challenge Championship, May 1-5, we can get together = sometime=20 during the weekend.
 
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf Of=20 Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM
To: = jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR = COORDINATORS -=20 PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys = !
 
Lest you relax too much this long = weekend,=20 perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to check = out the=20 route map for your sector at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Maps-Main.htm
and update me = with your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, = please get me at=20 least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please = update me=20 with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable = comment).
 
I would like to get your comments by = Saturday or=20 Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me = directly=20 at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something together = by then,=20 please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE=20 ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on = the planning=20 you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is = planning on=20 attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, = perhaps=20 we could get together for brief introduction and discussions = (over=20 breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on=20 attending, please let me know.
 
Bob = England
www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C30517.FAA4B1F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 08:44:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 18 07:44:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <00a501c30546$a3026a80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3057D.C74D2B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. My wife and I are going out on the Thursday, and then heading over to the Island on Sunday for a day. -----Original Message----- Sent: April 17, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob are you coming out this way? Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3057D.C74D2B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes.  My wife = and I are=20 going out on the Thursday, and then heading over to the Island on Sunday = for a=20 day.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: April 17, 2003 = 7:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE=20 NOTE

Bob are you coming out this = way?
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3057D.C74D2B00-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 09:15:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 18 08:15:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <01ec01c30543$e9108eb0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C30582.31F9D5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory The gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!). It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for discussion. On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector. You will see the pink days on the itinerary at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf are unspoken for days. I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the itinerary. Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future. Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment. It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know. Bob England www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C30582.31F9D5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory
 
The gruelling, up = to the minute=20 schedule, is set by the computer and is a little retentive.  = (That's my=20 story and I'm sticking to it!).  It may be gruelling, but I'll = leave you=20 and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting = point for=20 discussion.
 
On the schedule, = there is three=20 days for sure in your sector.  You will see the pink days on the = itinerary=20 at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdf
are unspoken for = days.  I=20 have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your = Sector=20 itself for that matter) needs them.  My pink note might not be very = clear,=20 but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the = extra=20 day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the=20 itinerary.
 
Right now we have = two points on=20 the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events.  One in your = Sector, and=20 one in Phoenix.  This means we have to be quite disciplined in our = time per=20 Sector scheduling.  You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs = to=20 have in place the number of days to cross their sector in place = soon, so=20 everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their = area.=20
 
I hope this is a = little more=20 clear (as mud I suppose!).  I guess what I need to stress is that = all=20 Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the = Sectors=20 need to be set in the not to distant future.
 
Bob = England
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara = Cooke; Roy=20 Gill
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE = NOTE

Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver = segment:=20 the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, = cruel and=20 unusual punishment.
     It is my = understanding=20 that the participants would have several days in this area, from the = 16th of=20 May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual = directions=20 given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: = the route=20 is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will = be a few=20 days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave = Whistler=20 in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. = People=20 must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue = right=20 now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been = working=20 on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine = country,=20 over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to = drive day=20 after day. Comment?
        =             =    =20             =    =20 Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Thursday, April 17, = 2003 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR = COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys = !
 
Lest you relax too much this long = weekend,=20 perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to = check out the=20 route map for your sector at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Maps-Main.htm
and update me = with your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, = please get me=20 at least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please = update me=20 with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an = acceptable=20 comment).
 
I would like to get your comments = by Saturday=20 or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to = me=20 directly at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something = together by then,=20 please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE=20 ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on = the planning=20 you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is = planning on=20 attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next = month,=20 perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and = discussions=20 (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are = planning on=20 attending, please let me know.
 
Bob = England
www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C30582.31F9D5D0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 09:15:05 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 18 08:15:05 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <01fe01c30544$c8285fb0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C30582.3349FC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meeting at 4 sounds like a good idea. Do you have a location in mind? -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 17, 2003 6:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting then? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C30582.3349FC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Meeting at 4 sounds = like a good=20 idea.  Do you have a location in mind?
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:52 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR = COORDINATORS=20 - PLEASE NOTE

Bob: I will be at VD, but I have = a dinner=20 commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting = then?
        =             =    =20             =    =20         Gregory
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C30582.3349FC80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 11:00:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:00:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: Message-ID: <006501c305c3$1ab70730$77214518@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_EL6Wlvuat8ePe3h/MRD/8w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: re: the Van Dusen meeting: Let's just gather on the field, say at the XJ range, and we can either meet right there, or head somewhere closeby. Agreed? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Meeting at 4 sounds like a good idea. Do you have a location in mind? -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 17, 2003 6:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting then? Gregory --Boundary_(ID_EL6Wlvuat8ePe3h/MRD/8w) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob:  re: the Van Dusen meeting:   Let's just gather on the field, say at the XJ range, and we can either meet right there, or head somewhere closeby. Agreed?
                                            Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Meeting at 4 sounds like a good idea.  Do you have a location in mind?
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:52 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting then?
                                                Gregory
--Boundary_(ID_EL6Wlvuat8ePe3h/MRD/8w)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 11:05:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:05:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: Message-ID: <007301c305c3$bc244100$77214518@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_yw3wyXoYHCdfxmv+5tURhw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any real problem. But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Gregory The gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!). It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for discussion. On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector. You will see the pink days on the itinerary at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf are unspoken for days. I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the itinerary. Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future. Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment. It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know. Bob England www.jonat.org --Boundary_(ID_yw3wyXoYHCdfxmv+5tURhw) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any real problem.
    But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.
                                                        Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Gregory
 
The gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and is a little retentive.  (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!).  It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for discussion.
 
On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector.  You will see the pink days on the itinerary at
are unspoken for days.  I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) needs them.  My pink note might not be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the itinerary.
 
Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events.  One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix.  This means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling.  You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area.
 
I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!).  I guess what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.
 
Bob England
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment.
     It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment?
                                        Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys !
 
Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two).
 
 I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector at
and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment).
 
I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on attending, please let me know.
 
Bob England
--Boundary_(ID_yw3wyXoYHCdfxmv+5tURhw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 12:09:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:09:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <006501c305c3$1ab70730$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3059A.73B09280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Works for me ... -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 18, 2003 9:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: re: the Van Dusen meeting: Let's just gather on the field, say at the XJ range, and we can either meet right there, or head somewhere closeby. Agreed? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Meeting at 4 sounds like a good idea. Do you have a location in mind? -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 17, 2003 6:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: I will be at VD, but I have a dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting then? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3059A.73B09280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Works for me ...=20
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: April 18, 2003 9:57 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR = COORDINATORS=20 - PLEASE NOTE

Bob:  re: the Van Dusen = meeting:  =20 Let's just gather on the field, say at the XJ range, and we can either = meet=20 right there, or head somewhere closeby. Agreed?
        =             =    =20             =    =20     Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 = 7:12=20 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Meeting at 4 = sounds like a=20 good idea.  Do you have a location in mind?
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:52 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE = NOTE

Bob: I will be at VD, but I = have a=20 dinner commitment; the show ends by 4. what about a meeting=20 then?
    =    =20            =20            =20            =20     Gregory
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3059A.73B09280-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 22:35:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 18 21:35:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <007301c305c3$bc244100$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <019101c30624$0f361de0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018E_01C305E9.5ECFC760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gregory said: But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon. - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to having just that information. One slight = problem is that I do not have an Oregon person to link up with yet, so I = do not know exactly when they will be turning the "bunch" over to me. = So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on routing out the Oregon coast for = the run. I still would like to know if we have someone in Northern = California though to hook up with at that point. If not, once I get the = routing through Oregon and Washington done, the person between Ron and = Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available for them to run = the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must move forward, right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do you know which day = you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your side trip? Or Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to be at = the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out = that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on = Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night = before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition = this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver = should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual = traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a = remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way = to Penticton by then, and there won't be any real problem. But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly = soon. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Gregory The gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and = is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!). It = may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - = keep in mind it's only a starting point for discussion. On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector. You = will see the pink days on the itinerary at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf are unspoken for days. I have left in as a float in case any Sector = upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) needs them. My = pink note might not be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream = needs them, they would be given the extra day, and that means one less = pink day in your area on the itinerary. Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with = pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means = we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You = can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in = place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so = everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their = area.=20 I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess = what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and = also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to = distant future. Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is = fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual = punishment. It is my understanding that the participants would have = several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van = Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities = are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we = are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at = least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler = in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. = People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the = issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We = have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth = doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No = one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment? Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys ! Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a = favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector = at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm and update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday. If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a = preliminary route. If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments = and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment). I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either = send your comments through this list, or to me directly at = engl@jonat.org. If you can't get something together by then, please just let me = know. -- AND THERE's MORE --- Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, = any committee setups, etc. As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the = Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we = could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over = breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on = attending, please let me know. Bob England www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_018E_01C305E9.5ECFC760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory said:
But we here have to know dates from the = Seattle=20 sector fairly soon.
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
 
Hint, hint ...
 
Actually I'm pretty close to having = just that=20 information.  One slight problem is that I do not have an Oregon = person to=20 link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will be turning the = "bunch"=20 over to me.  So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on routing out the = Oregon=20 coast for the run.  I still would like to know if we have someone = in=20 Northern California though to hook up with at that point.  If not, = once I=20 get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the person between = Ron and=20 Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available for them to run = the route=20 and places to see.
 
Sorry about that but we must move = forward,=20 right?
 
Michael?  You and Ron have been = talking=20 right?  Do you know which day you are figuring on being in the San=20 Francisco end of your side trip?
 
Or Ron?  Do you have a day = selected for when=20 you are planning to be at the most Northern end of your = Sector?
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 = 9:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Bob: thanks for the clarification, = and I would=20 just like to point out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with = the Van=20 Dusen show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN = Vancouver the=20 night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In = addition=20 this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver = should=20 be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic = period).=20 Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen=20 Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way to Penticton by = then, and=20 there won't be any real problem.
    But = we here have=20 to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.
        =             =    =20             =    =20             =    =20 Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 = 7:12=20 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Gregory
 
The gruelling, = up to the=20 minute schedule, is set by the computer and is a little = retentive. =20 (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!).  It may be = gruelling, but=20 I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's = only a=20 starting point for discussion.
 
On the = schedule, there is=20 three days for sure in your sector.  You will see the pink days = on the=20 itinerary at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdf
are unspoken = for=20 days.  I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of = you (or=20 your Sector itself for that matter) needs them.  My pink note = might not=20 be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they = would=20 be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your = area on the=20 itinerary.
 
Right now we = have two=20 points on the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events.  = One in=20 your Sector, and one in Phoenix.  This means we have to be = quite=20 disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling.  = You can see that it is = therefore=20 important that everyone needs to have in place the number of = days to=20 cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream of them = knows the=20 actual dates of the Tour in their area.
 
I hope this is = a little=20 more clear (as mud I suppose!).  I guess what I need to stress = is that=20 all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to = traverse the=20 Sectors need to be set in the not to distant = future.
 
Bob=20 England
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf=20 Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Doug Ingram; = David and=20 Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Bob: regarding the = Victoria-Vancouver=20 segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a = grueling, cruel and unusual punishment.
     It is my = understanding that the participants would have several days in = this area,=20 from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). = Furthermore,=20 the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will = have to=20 be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under = the=20 assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It = is not=20 possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be = on the=20 Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver = the=20 night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only = the=20 route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on = optional=20 daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, = over to the=20 wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day = after=20 day. Comment?
    =    =20            =20            =20         Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Thursday, April 17, = 2003 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Hello guys = !
 
Lest you relax too much this = long weekend,=20 perhaps I could ask a favour (or = two).
 
 I would like you all to = check out=20 the route map for your sector at
http://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Maps-Main.htm
and update = me with your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.
 
If you don't have a map there, = please get=20 me at least a preliminary route.
 
If you do have a map there, = please update=20 me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an=20 acceptable comment).
 
I would like to get your = comments by=20 Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this = list,=20 or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.
 
If you can't get something = together by=20 then, please just let me know.
 
--  AND THERE's MORE=20 ---
 
Perhaps also you can update me = on the=20 planning you have done, any committee setups,=20 etc.
 
As a final request, if anyone = is planning=20 on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver = next=20 month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction = and=20 discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  = If you=20 are planning on attending, please let me=20 know.
 
Bob = England
www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_018E_01C305E9.5ECFC760-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 00:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Fri Apr 18 23:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <007301c305c3$bc244100$77214518@oemcomputer> <019101c30624$0f361de0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EA0D890.61A4A83@interworld.net> --------------8B8DC486275D3E00928DC5A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys: I am using the dates provided by you. May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do have an Idea). May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? Local Rally during the day? all with the local clubs. May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. these will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in co ordination with XK's Unlimited. May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!! Jamie - JONAT wrote: > Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly > soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to > having just that information. One slight problem is that I do not have an > Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will be > turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on > routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I still would like to know if we > have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that point. If > not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the person > between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available for them > to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must move forward, > right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do you know which day > you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your side trip? Or Ron? > Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to be at the most > Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey > JONAT Executive Committee > http://www.jonat.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point > out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen > show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver > the night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. > In addition this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry > to Vancouver should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a > worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually > Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but > we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any > real problem. But we here have to know dates from the Seattle > sector fairly > soon. Gregory > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE > NOTE > GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set > by the computer and is a little retentive. (That's my > story and I'm sticking to it!). It may be gruelling, but > I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in > mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the > schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector. > You will see the pink days on the itinerary > athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for > days. I have left in as a float in case any Sector > upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) > needs them. My pink note might not be very clear, but the > intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be > given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in > your area on the itinerary.Right now we have two points on > the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events. One in > your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means we have to be > quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You > can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs > to have in place the number of days to cross their sector > in place soon, so everyone downstream of them knows the > actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a > little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I > need to stress is that all Sectors need to be > de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the Sectors > need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > Dr Gregory Andrachuk > Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy > Gill > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - > PLEASE NOTE > > Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: > the routing is fine, but the times and schedule > present a grueling, cruel and unusual > punishment. It is my understanding that the > participants would have several days in this > area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the > Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual > directions given within the cities are bizarre > and will have to be changed. So: the route is > fine, but we are working here under the > assumption that there will be a few days at > least in this area. It is not possible, for > example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to > be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. > People must be in Vancouver the night before. If > the timing is not the issue right now, but only > the route, then the general route is fine. We > have been working on optional daytrips around > this area (well worth doing: the wine country, > over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one > is going to want to drive day after day. > Comment? > Gregory > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM > Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR > COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Hello guys !Lest you relax too much > this long weekend, perhaps I could ask > a favour (or two). I would like you > all to check out the route map for > your sector > athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand > update me with your comments by > Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a > map there, please get me at least a > preliminary route.If you do have a map > there, please update me with your > comments and/or route changes ("No > changes" is an acceptable comment).I > would like to get your comments by > Saturday or Sunday. Either send your > comments through this list, or to me > directly at engl@jonat.org.If you > can't get something together by then, > please just let me know.-- AND > THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can > update me on the planning you have > done, any committee setups, etc.As a > final request, if anyone is planning > on attending the Vandusen All British > Field Meet in Vancouver next month, > perhaps we could get together for > brief introduction and discussions > (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or > a pint). If you are planning on > attending, please let me know.Bob > Englandwww.jonat.org > --------------8B8DC486275D3E00928DC5A7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys:
I am using the dates provided by you.

May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do have an Idea).

May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner?  Local Rally during the day?
    all with the local clubs.

May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. these will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in co ordination with XK's Unlimited.

May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!!
 
 

Jamie - JONAT wrote:

Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to having just that information.  One slight problem is that I do not have an Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will be turning the "bunch" over to me.  So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on routing out the Oregon coast for the run.  I still would like to know if we have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that point.  If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must move forward, right? Michael?  You and Ron have been talking right?  Do you know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your side trip? Or Ron?  Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any real problem.    But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.                                                        Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and is a little retentive.  (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!).  It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector.  You will see the pink days on the itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for days.  I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) needs them.  My pink note might not be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events.  One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix.  This means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!).  I guess what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 
Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment.     It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment?                                        Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.--  AND THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on attending, please let me know.Bob Englandwww.jonat.org
--------------8B8DC486275D3E00928DC5A7-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 00:02:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Fri Apr 18 23:02:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <007301c305c3$bc244100$77214518@oemcomputer> <019101c30624$0f361de0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EA0D890.61A4A83@interworld.net> Message-ID: <3EA0D90F.226914B1@interworld.net> --------------608E544CC210808A17C1D1F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages? i am a member of the E group. I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. Ron Rader wrote: > Guys: > I am using the dates provided by you. > > May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do have an > Idea). > > May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? Local Rally > during the day? > all with the local clubs. > > May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. these > will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in co > ordination with XK's Unlimited. > > May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!! > > > > Jamie - JONAT wrote: > >> Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly >> soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to >> having just that information. One slight problem is that I do not have an >> Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will >> be turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on >> routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I still would like to know if we >> have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that point. >> If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the >> person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available >> for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must >> move forward, right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do you >> know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your >> side trip? Or Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to >> be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey >> JONAT Executive Committee >> http://www.jonat.org/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:Dr Gregory Andrachuk >> To: jonat@autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE >> Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point >> out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen >> show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver >> the night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 >> AM. In addition this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the >> entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will >> be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually >> Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but >> we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be >> any real problem. But we here have to know dates from the >> Seattle sector fairly >> soon. >> Gregory >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:Bob >> To: jonat@autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM >> Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE >> NOTE >> GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set >> by the computer and is a little retentive. (That's my >> story and I'm sticking to it!). It may be gruelling, >> but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - >> keep in mind it's only a starting point for >> discussion.On the schedule, there is three days for sure >> in your sector. You will see the pink days on the >> itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare >> unspoken for days. I have left in as a float in case >> any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector itself for >> that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very >> clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, >> they would be given the extra day, and that means one >> less pink day in your area on the itinerary.Right now we >> have two points on the Tour that are linking with >> pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in >> Phoenix. This means we have to be quite disciplined in >> our time per Sector scheduling. You can see that it is >> therefore important that everyone needs to have in place >> the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, >> so everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of >> the Tour in their area. I hope this is a little more >> clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need to >> stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, >> and also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be >> set in the not to distant future.Bob England >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net >> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf >> Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk >> Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM >> To: jonat@autox.team.net >> Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy >> Gill >> Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS >> - PLEASE NOTE >> Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: >> the routing is fine, but the times and >> schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual >> punishment. It is my understanding that >> the participants would have several days in >> this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd >> (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the >> actual directions given within the cities are >> bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the >> route is fine, but we are working here under >> the assumption that there will be a few days >> at least in this area. It is not possible, for >> example, to leave Whistler in the morning and >> to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the >> show. People must be in Vancouver the night >> before. If the timing is not the issue right >> now, but only the route, then the general >> route is fine. We have been working on >> optional daytrips around this area (well worth >> doing: the wine country, over to the wild >> Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to >> want to drive day after day. >> Comment? >> Gregory >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:Bob >> To: jonat@autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 >> PM >> Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR >> COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE >> Hello guys !Lest you relax too much >> this long weekend, perhaps I could >> ask a favour (or two). I would like >> you all to check out the route map >> for your sector >> athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand >> update me with your comments by >> Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have >> a map there, please get me at least >> a preliminary route.If you do have a >> map there, please update me with >> your comments and/or route changes >> ("No changes" is an acceptable >> comment).I would like to get your >> comments by Saturday or Sunday. >> Either send your comments through >> this list, or to me directly at >> engl@jonat.org.If you can't get >> something together by then, please >> just let me know.-- AND THERE's >> MORE ---Perhaps also you can update >> me on the planning you have done, >> any committee setups, etc.As a final >> request, if anyone is planning on >> attending the Vandusen All British >> Field Meet in Vancouver next month, >> perhaps we could get together for >> brief introduction and discussions >> (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / >> or a pint). If you are planning on >> attending, please let me know.Bob >> Englandwww.jonat.org >> --------------608E544CC210808A17C1D1F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages?
i am a member of the E group.
I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers.

Ron Rader wrote:

Guys:
I am using the dates provided by you.

May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do have an Idea).

May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner?  Local Rally during the day?
    all with the local clubs.

May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. these will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in co ordination with XK's Unlimited.

May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!!
 
 

Jamie - JONAT wrote:

Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to having just that information.  One slight problem is that I do not have an Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will be turning the "bunch" over to me.  So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on routing out the Oregon coast for the run.  I still would like to know if we have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that point.  If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must move forward, right? Michael?  You and Ron have been talking right?  Do you know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your side trip? Or Ron?  Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any real problem.    But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.                                                        Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:Bob
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and is a little retentive.  (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!).  It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector.  You will see the pink days on the itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for days.  I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) needs them.  My pink note might not be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events.  One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix.  This means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!).  I guess what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment.     It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment?                                        Gregory
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From:Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.--  AND THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint).  If you are planning on attending, please let me know.Bob Englandwww.jonat.org
--------------608E544CC210808A17C1D1F5-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 04:02:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sat Apr 19 03:02:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <3EA0D90F.226914B1@interworld.net> Message-ID: <000d01c30651$f4abe710$6400a8c0@jot> We've decided that JONAT can post in the pub. The problem with posting to the individual lists is that they are supposed to be for items relating to the vehicles in question. People outside the U.S. (other than Fazal) probably are not going to care to much about it. Here's something everyone could do, and stay within the rules. There is nothing wrong with having a signature that include a few lines like your cars, your club, your business, etc. Create a signature along the lines of: Ron Rader, So. Cal. Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour, http://jonat.org Join our ongoing discussions in the Pub Forum The idea is to squeeze as much in about three or four lines as you can. Then we all need to sign up for the Pub. If we start discussing things there, people will have some input and a reason to follow the progress. Mark (signing up for the pub right now.) -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:05 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages? i am a member of the E group. I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. Ron Rader wrote: Guys: I am using the dates provided by you. May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do have an Idea). May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? Local Rally during the day? all with the local clubs. May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. these will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in co ordination with XK's Unlimited. May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!! Jamie - JONAT wrote: Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to having just that information. One slight problem is that I do not have an Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will be turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I still would like to know if we have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that point. If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must move forward, right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do you know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your side trip? Or Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From:Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any real problem. But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From:Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!). It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector. You will see the pink days on the itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for days. I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment. It is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From:Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your sector athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me with your comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, please get me at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, please update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.If you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.-- AND THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know.Bob Englandwww.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 04:19:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sat Apr 19 03:19:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <000d01c30651$f4abe710$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <000101c30654$5d8d32a0$6400a8c0@jot> I just got to thinking that we could add dates to the signature line, too. Mark Stephenson, AZ Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour, http://jonat.org Organizational discussions in the Pub Forum Join us on the tour April xx to July xx, 2004 There, four lines -- kind of a good number, not quite big enough to be obtrusive. If there is more than one JONATer in a forum, each could choose a different third line directing people to the Pub. We can liven up the Pub and get some exposure at the same time. J-L has 17075 listers at last count, about 20x more than the other Jaguar sites combined. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:59 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > We've decided that JONAT can post in the pub. The problem > with posting to > the individual lists is that they are supposed to be for > items relating to > the vehicles in question. People outside the U.S. (other than Fazal) > probably are not going to care to much about it. > > Here's something everyone could do, and stay within the > rules. There is > nothing wrong with having a signature that include a few > lines like your > cars, your club, your business, etc. > > Create a signature along the lines of: > > Ron Rader, So. Cal. Coordinator > Jaguar Owners North American Tour, http://jonat.org > Join our ongoing discussions in the Pub Forum > > The idea is to squeeze as much in about three or four lines > as you can. > > Then we all need to sign up for the Pub. If we start discussing things > there, people will have some input and a reason to follow the > progress. > > Mark (signing up for the pub right now.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:05 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag > lovers pages? > i am a member of the E group. > I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. > Ron Rader wrote: > Guys: > I am using the dates provided by you. > May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD > (but i do have > an Idea). > May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? > Local Rally > during the day? > all with the local clubs. > May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 > and 101. these > will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner > probably in co > ordination with XK's Unlimited. > May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!! > > > Jamie - JONAT wrote: > Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle > sector fairly > soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm > pretty close to > having just that information. One slight problem is that I > do not have an > Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly > when they will > be turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of waiting, > I'm planning on > routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I still would like > to know if we > have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at > that point. > If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the > person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the > time available > for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that > but we must > move forward, right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking > right? Do you > know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco > end of your > side trip? Or Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you > are planning to > be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey > JONAT Executive Committee > http://www.jonat.org/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From:Dr Gregory Andrachuk > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to > point out that > the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show > on Saturday > the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night > before, or very > close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is > the Victoria > Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be > done BY Friday > (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). > Monday the 24th > is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen > Victoria's birthday), > but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there > won't be any > real problem. But we here have to know dates from the > Seattle sector > fairly soon. > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From:Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by > the computer and > is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to > it!). It may > be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize > it - keep in > mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the > schedule, there is > three days for sure in your sector. You will see the pink days on the > itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare > unspoken for days. > I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you > (or your Sector > itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not > be very clear, > but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would > be given the > extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the > itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are > linking with > pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. > This means we > have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector > scheduling. You can see > that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in > place the > number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so > everyone downstream > of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I > hope this is a > little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need > to stress is > that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the > times to traverse > the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk > Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is > fine, but the > times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual > punishment. It > is my understanding that the participants would have several > days in this > area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). > Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities > are bizarre and > will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are > working here > under the assumption that there will be a few days at least > in this area. It > is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the > morning and to be on > the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in > Vancouver the > night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but > only the route, > then the general route is fine. We have been working on > optional daytrips > around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild > Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day > after day. > Comment? Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From:Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM > Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, > perhaps I could ask a > favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route > map for your > sector athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update > me with your > comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, > please get me > at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, > please update me > with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable > comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or > Sunday. Either > send your comments through this list, or to me directly at > engl@jonat.org.If > you can't get something together by then, please just let me > know.-- AND > THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me on the > planning you have > done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, if anyone > is planning on > attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, > perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and > discussions (over > breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning > on attending, > please let me know.Bob Englandwww.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 08:56:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Sat Apr 19 07:56:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update Message-ID: <3E9FF431.30291.2C7C5AD4@localhost> Bob, I have uploaded a web page with some pictures taken along our route through Manitoba and Ontario. Perhaps you can create a link to this page on the jonat site. Hopefully it'll spark interest, not scare people off. The page is: www.heartfield.net/events/jonat/ I have written a letter to every member of the local Jaguar club telling them about jonat and asking for help on the committee. So far, no replies. Ian, do you know yet what time of the day the tour will get to Virden? Alan From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 09:11:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Apr 19 08:11:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <3EA0D90F.226914B1@interworld.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3064A.B1770620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron I do not see any reason why you cannot request some assistance on the JagLovers webpage. Probably a good idea. The only thing to remember is any lengthy discussions should take place on the "Pub" JagLovers list. Perhaps keep the request to individuals and clubs right now, as I think Fried was going to contact Jaguar North America directly (Do I remember correctly Fried, and how is that going?) Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: April 18, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages? i am a member of the E group. I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3064A.B1770620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3064A.B1770620-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 09:14:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Apr 19 08:14:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update In-Reply-To: <3E9FF431.30291.2C7C5AD4@localhost> Message-ID: Alan Ian is in Portugal right now (:^( but I think he was planning an overnight in Virden, likely arriving 4pm give or take. Bob |-----Original Message----- |Sent: April 18, 2003 11:49 AM |Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update | | |Bob, |I have uploaded a web page with some pictures taken along our route |through Manitoba and Ontario. Perhaps you can create a link to this |page on the jonat site. Hopefully it'll spark interest, not scare people |off. |The page is: |www.heartfield.net/events/jonat/ |I have written a letter to every member of the local Jaguar club telling |them about jonat and asking for help on the committee. So far, no |replies. |Ian, do you know yet what time of the day the tour will get to Virden? |Alan From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 09:37:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Apr 19 08:37:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update In-Reply-To: <3E9FF431.30291.2C7C5AD4@localhost> Message-ID: Alan Nice photos! I've made the link to your webpage. If you want to add the maps I have done for your Sector to your site, link to: http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_MAP_WinnipegSector.gif for the overall map http://jonat.org/bob/PDFMaps/Sector%20-%20Winnipeg.pdf for the route map http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_Winnipeg.htm for the linking webpage Note to the other SC's that once I have your route, I'll create one of each these for each of your sectors. I have done the ones that have already sent me the route. All these can be accessed from the Sector Coordinator's webpage at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_MAP.htm Bob |-----Original Message----- |Sent: April 18, 2003 11:49 AM |Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update | | |Bob, |I have uploaded a web page with some pictures taken along our route |through Manitoba and Ontario. Perhaps you can create a link to this |page on the jonat site. Hopefully it'll spark interest, not scare people |off. |The page is: www.heartfield.net/events/jonat/ <> |Alan From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 10:59:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Apr 19 09:59:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <000d01c30651$f4abe710$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: Mark ... I like that idea ... I think I'll give it a try next time I post to the E-Type or XJ list. Bob |-----Original Message----- | | |We've decided that JONAT can post in the pub. The problem with posting to |the individual lists is that they are supposed to be for items relating to |the vehicles in question. People outside the U.S. (other than Fazal) |probably are not going to care to much about it. | |Here's something everyone could do, and stay within the rules. There is |nothing wrong with having a signature that include a few lines like your |cars, your club, your business, etc. | |Create a signature along the lines of: | |Ron Rader, So. Cal. Coordinator |Jaguar Owners North American Tour, http://jonat.org |Join our ongoing discussions in the Pub Forum | |The idea is to squeeze as much in about three or four lines as you can. | |Then we all need to sign up for the Pub. If we start discussing things |there, people will have some input and a reason to follow the progress. | |Mark (signing up for the pub right now.) From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 11:19:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Apr 19 10:19:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT --> FW: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth Annual Jag-Lovers Picnic Message-ID: Steve - This Jag-Lovers picnic is up in your neck of the woods. If they could have this event a few weeks later in 2004, maybe we could link up with this event. Do you want to make some preliminary contacts with this group ? Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-pub@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-pub@jag-lovers.org]On |Behalf Of Mike Eck |Sent: April 19, 2003 10:02 AM |To: xk@jag-lovers.org |Subject: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth Annual Jag-Lovers Picnic | | |Dear Fellow Jag-Lovers, | |As the last of the snow finally disappears from the roadsides and the days |get longer and warmer, it's easier to think about driving Jaguars and |meeting other Jag-Lovers. And what better place than at the Fourth Annual |Jag-Lovers Picnic. This is one event that anyone within driving distance |should be sure to attend; ask anyone who had been to one before. | |Those of you who have had the privilege of meeting your fellow Jag-Lovers |face-to-face know that it's a lot of fun, sort of like meeting an |old friend |for the first time. That's the idea behind the Jag-Lovers picnic. | |Three years ago I had the idea of inviting the friends we've made on the |internet lists to come to a picnic in New Jersey so we could get together |for an afternoon and swap stories and admire cars. I figured maybe a dozen |nearby people would show up. | |As it turned out, about 80 people came from many different states. The |Cunninghams came down from upstate Vermont in their '52 XK120, the Kruegers |drove in from Michigan in their '140 DHC, there were people from Florida, |Ohio, Virginia, Georgia, and all points in between. Needless to say we had |a great time and it has since become an annual event. | |Remember, this is not a car show (although I imagine there will be quite a |few Jaguars there), it is a gathering of like-minded individuals getting |together in person to share the camaraderie that was started on |these lists. |We have private picnic grounds, an all-you-can-eat picnic lunch, door |prizes, a 30 mile run through the back roads, and a lot of friendly people |having a good time. Bringing a Jaguar is not necessary; many people bring |pictures of their work-in-progress. | |On Saturday night the locals get together at the picnic grounds with the |out-of-town Jag-Lovers and leave for supper at 6:00, then return afterwards |for the June edition of our famous "First Tuesday" meeting (see the writeup |in the March 2002 edition of Porter's "XK Gazette"). We sit around, drink |beer, swap lies, admire cars, share pictures and videos, and generally have |a great time, extending far into the night. | |There is more information in the International Events Calendar at |http://www.jag-lovers.org/events/event_view.php3?id=280 | |There is a write-up and slide show about the previous picnic at... |http://www.jag-lovers.org/modern/picnic02/ | |Here are some pictures and impressions from previous events.... |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1031013635 |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=991793675 |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=991793060 |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=960585374 |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=960295791 |http://www.angelfire.com/de/ffce/picnic.html | | |So mark June 1 on your calendars, and then drop me an email |(MikeEck@optonline.net ) to let me know you're coming so I can make sure we |have enough food! I'll also put you on the mailing list for directions and |other information. | |Hope to see you all there! | |Mike Eck From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 13:35:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Apr 20 12:35:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR In-Reply-To: <3EA0D890.61A4A83@interworld.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C30738.B977E030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. Welcome Jerry! ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C30738.B977E030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello again guys !  I thought I would let you know that=20 Jerry Mouton has volunteered = to be Sector=20 Coordinator for the San Francisco.  Welcome=20 Jerry!
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C30738.B977E030-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 13:41:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Apr 20 12:41:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: <015101c30767$8b8ff840$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: Jerry See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all the SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that are worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). Bob England -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM To: Bob Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco Bob, OK, thanks for he info. A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour map -- it's singular rather than plural! SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE PROBLEM. I guess I would like a little more information about the overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented tour, would it? THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU CAN ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN TO $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY ALSO BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW HOW THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. Is this going to be a commercial event? IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds to come to them from our group? WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD BE FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE MIGHT BE ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT. WE DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE MAY BE FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED AS OF YET. Based on the description I saw, participants are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. What will local funds be required to pay for? SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. Could you clarify for me? HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE SECTOR COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. Thanks, Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 18:32:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 20 17:32:01 2003 Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco Message-ID: <01ff01c30794$6f674920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the Oregon route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the coast as it's really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you feel we should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about Crescent City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for around 9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe 5:00pm with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? But of course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan from Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch around Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. Thanks, Jamie Duffey 88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Jerry Mouton" Cc: "JONAT MailList" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Jerry > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all the > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that are > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > Bob England > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > To: Bob > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > Bob, > > OK, thanks for he info. > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE > PROBLEM. > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > tour, would it? > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU CAN > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN TO > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY ALSO > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW HOW > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > to come to them from our group? > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD BE > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE MIGHT BE > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT. WE > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE MAY BE > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > Based on the description I saw, participants > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > Could you clarify for me? > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE SECTOR > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > Thanks, Jerry > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 18:49:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Sun Apr 20 17:49:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: <01ff01c30794$6f674920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <022b01c30796$eb471960$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Hi, Jamie, We have not gotten that far yet in planning. Of course, we will work with you to make the hand-off work well. One consideration is variety -- if you will be taking the group down the Pacific coast, I might want to bring them inland to the mountains. Three days on the coast could get a little boring (!) Anyway, we do have a lot of options... I'll get back with you when we come up with a plan. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:27 PM Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! > > Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the Oregon > route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the coast as it's > really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you feel we > should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about Crescent > City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? > > As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for around > 9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe 5:00pm > with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? But of > course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan from > Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch around > Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! > > Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. > > Thanks, > > Jamie Duffey > 88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" > JONAT Executive Committee > http://www.jonat.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: "Jerry Mouton" > Cc: "JONAT MailList" > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:37 AM > Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > Jerry > > > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all the > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that are > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > > > Bob England > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > > To: Bob > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > Bob, > > > > OK, thanks for he info. > > > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE > > PROBLEM. > > > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > > tour, would it? > > > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU CAN > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN > TO > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY ALSO > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW > HOW > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > > to come to them from our group? > > > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD BE > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE MIGHT > BE > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT. > WE > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE MAY BE > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS > BEEN > > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > > > Based on the description I saw, participants > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > > > Could you clarify for me? > > > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR > CONCERNS, > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE SECTOR > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > > > Thanks, Jerry > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 19:37:27 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Sun Apr 20 18:37:27 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: Message-ID: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> Hey Jerry: I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get the lads at XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on Thursday the 6th between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los Olivos (winery area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the arrival planned for between 4 and five PM. I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess that my route would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? Ron Rader FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and shipping my car back. Bob wrote: > Jerry > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all the > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that are > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > Bob England > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > To: Bob > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > Bob, > > OK, thanks for he info. > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE > PROBLEM. > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > tour, would it? > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU CAN > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN TO > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY ALSO > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW HOW > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > to come to them from our group? > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD BE > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE MIGHT BE > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT. WE > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE MAY BE > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > Based on the description I saw, participants > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > Could you clarify for me? > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE SECTOR > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > Thanks, Jerry > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 21:20:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 20 20:20:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San Francisco References: <01ff01c30794$6f674920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <022b01c30796$eb471960$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <023901c307ab$f72f9a80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> FYI, they (whoever's in the Group - smile) will be coming from the high desert areas just before they come into Ron's LA Sector and then possibly from the Lake Tahoe side trip which I know is shown on the map. I'm only doing the Oregon coast because it's one of the most beautiful places I've been, but then we all have our favorites, right? I've actually lived in Tucson, Biloxi, Chicago and Fairbanks and loved them all. Actually I've got the Washington State (Seattle) Sector but we haven't found a volunteer for Oregon Sector yet, so I felt I should get the routing set up without anymore delay. I also want to add with reference to your comment on taking them to the mountains ... While Shasta is really nice, the rest of the area is kinda yech, all dry and dusty in North Central CA and/or miles and miles of nothing to really look at in the mid-west-central Oregon areas. Sorry, I used to have some relatives in Redding that I couldn't really stand too much! So I'm probably suffering from seeing that road too much. Anyway you want to go is cool with me, but I would really like to meet up in Crescent if possible. But if that is too close or too far, let me know. Additionally I should let you know that when they reach Washington, we are going through the mountains for about 100 miles or so. Around Mount St. Helens and Mount Rainier and then near the base of the Olympics on the peninsula. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mouton" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Hi, Jamie, > > We have not gotten that far yet in planning. > Of course, we will work with you to make the > hand-off work well. > > One consideration is variety -- if you will be taking the group > down the Pacific coast, I might want to bring them inland > to the mountains. Three days on the coast could get > a little boring (!) Anyway, we do have a lot of options... > > I'll get back with you when we come up with a plan. > > Jerry > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie - JONAT" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:27 PM > Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! > > > > Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the Oregon > > route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the coast as > it's > > really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you feel we > > should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about Crescent > > City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? > > > > As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for around > > 9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe 5:00pm > > with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? But of > > course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan from > > Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch > around > > Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! > > > > Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jamie Duffey > > 88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" > > JONAT Executive Committee > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob" > > To: "Jerry Mouton" > > Cc: "JONAT MailList" > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:37 AM > > Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all > the > > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that are > > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > > > > > Bob England > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > > > To: Bob > > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > OK, thanks for he info. > > > > > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > > > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > > > > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > > > > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > > > > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE > > > PROBLEM. > > > > > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > > > tour, would it? > > > > > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU > CAN > > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN > > TO > > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE > > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY > ALSO > > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT > > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW > > HOW > > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > > > > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > > > > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > > > > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > > > to come to them from our group? > > > > > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD BE > > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE > MIGHT > > BE > > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT. > > WE > > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE MAY > BE > > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS > > BEEN > > > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > > > > > Based on the description I saw, participants > > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > > > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > > > > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > > > > > Could you clarify for me? > > > > > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR > > CONCERNS, > > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE > SECTOR > > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > > > > > Thanks, Jerry > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > rouler!" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 21:44:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun Apr 20 20:44:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> Message-ID: <024301c307af$3a9943e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Hey Ron, I can't wait to see your route! I love back roads! Just for fun I ran a route from LA to SFO on MS Streets & Tips program. Started at Ventura, San Simeon, Big Sur, Monterey, Santa Cruz and ended at Daly City. Came out around 8 hours and 397 miles. But that's without any stops, not even a lunch stop! And of course that will never do! This trip is going to be so much fun! Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Cc: "Jerry Mouton" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Hey Jerry: > I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get the lads at > XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not > contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. > > We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on Thursday the 6th > between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los Olivos (winery > area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the arrival planned for > between 4 and five PM. > > I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the > entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess that my route > would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > Ron Rader > > FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and shipping my car > back. > > > Bob wrote: > > > Jerry > > > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all the > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that are > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > > > Bob England > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > > To: Bob > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > Bob, > > > > OK, thanks for he info. > > > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE > > PROBLEM. > > > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > > tour, would it? > > > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU CAN > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN TO > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY ALSO > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW HOW > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > > to come to them from our group? > > > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD BE > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE MIGHT BE > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT. WE > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE MAY BE > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN > > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > > > Based on the description I saw, participants > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > > > Could you clarify for me? > > > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE SECTOR > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > > > Thanks, Jerry > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 21:51:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Sun Apr 20 20:51:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San Francisco References: <01ff01c30794$6f674920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <022b01c30796$eb471960$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <023901c307ab$f72f9a80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <02e901c307b0$6bb88840$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Jamie, I'll take us through the mountains on the last half, so they can enjoy the coast in Oregon. They'll get Hwy 1 through Big Sur and Carmel, then Napa Valley, then mountains and valley, then your coastline. Sounds pretty varied. Hwy 5 is dry, but there is Booneville and the coast range, which I always enjoy. Clear Lake, Calistoga, We'll see what I can find. The original handoff point was Eureka, but I'll see how the mileage looks. We can play it by ear. Was Eureka a problem for you? Not that there's anything special about it as far as I know, but something we should avoid there? Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San Francisco > FYI, they (whoever's in the Group - smile) will be coming from the high > desert areas just before they come into Ron's LA Sector and then possibly > from the Lake Tahoe side trip which I know is shown on the map. > > I'm only doing the Oregon coast because it's one of the most beautiful > places I've been, but then we all have our favorites, right? I've actually > lived in Tucson, Biloxi, Chicago and Fairbanks and loved them all. Actually > I've got the Washington State (Seattle) Sector but we haven't found a > volunteer for Oregon Sector yet, so I felt I should get the routing set up > without anymore delay. I also want to add with reference to your comment on > taking them to the mountains ... While Shasta is really nice, the rest of > the area is kinda yech, all dry and dusty in North Central CA and/or miles > and miles of nothing to really look at in the mid-west-central Oregon areas. > Sorry, I used to have some relatives in Redding that I couldn't really stand > too much! So I'm probably suffering from seeing that road too much. > > Anyway you want to go is cool with me, but I would really like to meet up in > Crescent if possible. But if that is too close or too far, let me know. > > Additionally I should let you know that when they reach Washington, we are > going through the mountains for about 100 miles or so. Around Mount St. > Helens and Mount Rainier and then near the base of the Olympics on the > peninsula. > > Jamie Duffey > JONAT Executive Committee > http://www.jonat.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Mouton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > Hi, Jamie, > > > > We have not gotten that far yet in planning. > > Of course, we will work with you to make the > > hand-off work well. > > > > One consideration is variety -- if you will be taking the group > > down the Pacific coast, I might want to bring them inland > > to the mountains. Three days on the coast could get > > a little boring (!) Anyway, we do have a lot of options... > > > > I'll get back with you when we come up with a plan. > > > > Jerry > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jamie - JONAT" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:27 PM > > Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! > > > > > > Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the > Oregon > > > route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the coast as > > it's > > > really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you feel > we > > > should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about Crescent > > > City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? > > > > > > As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for around > > > 9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe 5:00pm > > > with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? But > of > > > course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan > from > > > Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch > > around > > > Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! > > > > > > Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jamie Duffey > > > 88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" > > > JONAT Executive Committee > > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bob" > > > To: "Jerry Mouton" > > > Cc: "JONAT MailList" > > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:37 AM > > > Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all > > the > > > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that > are > > > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > > > > > > > Bob England > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > > > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > > > > To: Bob > > > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > OK, thanks for he info. > > > > > > > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > > > > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > > > > > > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > > > > > > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > > > > > > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE > > > > PROBLEM. > > > > > > > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > > > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > > > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > > > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > > > > tour, would it? > > > > > > > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU > > CAN > > > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS > DOWN > > > TO > > > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL > BE > > > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY > > ALSO > > > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE > THAT > > > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO > KNOW > > > HOW > > > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > > > > > > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > > > > > > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > > > > > > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > > > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > > > > to come to them from our group? > > > > > > > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD > BE > > > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE > > MIGHT > > > BE > > > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE > EVENT. > > > WE > > > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE > MAY > > BE > > > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING > HAS > > > BEEN > > > > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > > > > > > > Based on the description I saw, participants > > > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > > > > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > > > > > > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > > > > > > > Could you clarify for me? > > > > > > > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR > > > CONCERNS, > > > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE > > SECTOR > > > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jerry > > > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > > rouler!" > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > > www.jonat.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 22:06:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Sun Apr 20 21:06:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> <024301c307af$3a9943e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EA360D8.FDBF81D3@interworld.net> --------------5A3F33AC752E678A5D69D216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jamie: My current thinking is that the out of Towner’s prefer to stay in West LA. So we will end there on Tuesday, May 4, 2004. We could look at the Nrthercutt museum on Wednesday??? http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/index2.html Also it will be close to the Petersen Automotive Museum for the Museum dinner event on Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. I was thinking Cinco de Mayo dinner that night at the museum. http://www.petersen.org/default.cfm?DocId=1813&CarID=130 Leaving will be Thursday around 8.30 AM through the Santa Monica mountains, Mulholland drive to the horse country around Calabasas, the Oxnard plains then inland through a breath taking drive on highway 154 to lunch at a winery in the Los Olivos area. then a neat back road drive to SLO. Dinner that night in coordination with XKs Unlimited, perhaps - but that is now Jerry Mouton's sector!! The route from LA to SLO is easy for me. I have been on many rallies in that direction. Ron Rader Jamie - JONAT wrote: > Hey Ron, I can't wait to see your route! I love back roads! > > Just for fun I ran a route from LA to SFO on MS Streets & Tips program. > Started at Ventura, San Simeon, Big Sur, Monterey, Santa Cruz and ended at > Daly City. Came out around 8 hours and 397 miles. But that's without any > stops, not even a lunch stop! And of course that will never do! > > This trip is going to be so much fun! > > Jamie Duffey > JONAT Executive Committee > http://www.jonat.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rader" > To: > Cc: "Jerry Mouton" > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > Hey Jerry: > > I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get the lads > at > > XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not > > contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. > > > > We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on Thursday the > 6th > > between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los Olivos > (winery > > area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the arrival > planned for > > between 4 and five PM. > > > > I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the > > entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess that my > route > > would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > > Ron Rader > > > > FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and shipping my > car > > back. > > > > > > Bob wrote: > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to all > the > > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that are > > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > > > > > Bob England > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > > > To: Bob > > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > OK, thanks for he info. > > > > > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > > > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > > > > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > > > > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > > > > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE > > > PROBLEM. > > > > > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > > > tour, would it? > > > > > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. YOU > CAN > > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN > TO > > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE > > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE MAY > ALSO > > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT > > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW > HOW > > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > > > > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > > > > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > > > > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > > > to come to them from our group? > > > > > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD BE > > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE > MIGHT BE > > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT. > WE > > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE MAY > BE > > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS > BEEN > > > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > > > > > Based on the description I saw, participants > > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > > > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > > > > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > > > > > Could you clarify for me? > > > > > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR > CONCERNS, > > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE > SECTOR > > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > > > > > Thanks, Jerry > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > rouler!" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ --------------5A3F33AC752E678A5D69D216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jamie:
My current thinking is that the out of Towner’s prefer to stay in West LA. So we will end there on Tuesday, May 4, 2004. We could look at the Nrthercutt museum on Wednesday???

http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/index2.html

Also it will be close to the Petersen Automotive Museum for the Museum dinner event on Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. I was thinking Cinco de Mayo dinner that night at the museum.

http://www.petersen.org/default.cfm?DocId=1813&CarID=130

Leaving will be Thursday around 8.30 AM through the Santa Monica mountains, Mulholland drive to the horse country around Calabasas, the Oxnard plains then inland through a breath taking drive on highway 154 to lunch at a winery in the Los Olivos area. then a neat back road drive to SLO.

Dinner that night in coordination with XKs Unlimited, perhaps - but that is now Jerry Mouton's sector!!

The route from LA to SLO is easy for me. I have been on many rallies in that direction.
Ron Rader
 

Jamie - JONAT wrote:

Hey Ron, I can't wait to see your route!  I love back roads!

Just for fun I ran a route from LA to SFO on MS Streets & Tips program.
Started at Ventura, San Simeon, Big Sur, Monterey, Santa Cruz and ended at
Daly City.  Came out around 8 hours and 397 miles.  But that's without any
stops, not even a lunch stop!  And of course that will never do! <grin>

This trip is going to be so much fun! <grin>

Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Rader" <rader@interworld.net>
To: <jonat@autox.team.net>
Cc: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco

> Hey Jerry:
> I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get the lads
at
> XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not
> contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. <grin>
>
> We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on Thursday the
6th
> between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los Olivos
(winery
> area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the arrival
planned for
> between 4 and five PM.
>
> I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the
> entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess that my
route
> would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments?
> Ron Rader
>
> FYI:  I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and shipping my
car
> back.
>
>
> Bob wrote:
>
> > Jerry
> >
> > See my comments in CAPITALS below.  I've also copied your note to all
the
> > SC's via the mailing list -  you bring up some VERY good items that are
> > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind).
> >
> > Bob England
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org]
> > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM
> > To: Bob
> > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > OK, thanks for he info.
> >
> > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour
> > map -- it's singular rather than plural!
> >
> > SORRY ABOUT THAT !  IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW.
> >
> > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found.
> >
> > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY !  TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED THE
> > PROBLEM.
> >
> > I guess I would like a little more information about the
> > overall tour.  The organization you suggest for a region
> > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator
> > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented
> > tour, would it?
> >
> > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS.  YOU
CAN
> > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH.  WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN
TO
> > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE
> > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION.  THERE MAY
ALSO
> > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT
> > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY.  WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW
HOW
> > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET.
> >
> > Is this going to be a commercial event?
> >
> > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO.
> >
> > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what
> > purpose?  Will the national organizers expect some funds
> > to come to them from our group?
> >
> > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS.  ONE WOULD BE
> > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE
MIGHT BE
> > ON THE TOUR.  TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE EVENT.
WE
> > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER.  THERE MAY
BE
> > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE.  THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS
BEEN
> > FINALIZED AS OF YET.
> >
> > Based on the description I saw, participants
> > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc.
> > What will local funds be required to pay for?
> >
> > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.
> >
> > Could you clarify for me?
> >
> > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
CONCERNS,
> > PLEASE LET ME KNOW.  BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE
SECTOR
> > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST.
> >
> > Thanks,   Jerry
> >
> > Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps
rouler!"
> >
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--------------5A3F33AC752E678A5D69D216-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 23:10:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (craig talbot) Date: Sun Apr 20 22:10:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary sector References: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> <024301c307af$3a9943e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EA360D8.FDBF81D3@interworld.net> Message-ID: <3EA370D4.931F2B7E@telus.net> This weekend I drove the mountain section of the route, and the map should be changed to show taking highway 1A from Lake Louise to Banff. It runs roughly parallel to the Trans Canada, but isn't as busy and you are likely to see more wildlife. Yesterday I saw Elk and Mountain Sheep. And Canadian Pacific's steam engine, but that's a different hobby! The 1A road is more closed in, as the trees come right to the edge so the views of the mountains can be a bit obstructed. However, there are lots of pull off and scenic viewpoints, and you won't have a semi truck sitting on your bumper trying to pass because you're busy looking at the mountains. I've sent an E mail to Barry (Okanagan Sector) to get his views on the handoff location. Lake Louise is great for scenery, but the Chateau Lake Louise is about the only accommodation and its big $$ in the summer. I'd like to give participants the option of more moderately priced accommodation. Craig 92 VDP V12 64 E ots From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 06:09:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon Apr 21 05:09:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> <024301c307af$3a9943e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EA360D8.FDBF81D3@interworld.net> Message-ID: <026201c307f5$c43e3920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_025F_01C307BB.17052DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds and looks great Ron. Thanks! Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco Jamie:=20 My current thinking is that the out of Towner's prefer to stay in West = LA. So we will end there on Tuesday, May 4, 2004. We could look at the = Nrthercutt museum on Wednesday???=20 http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/index2.html=20 Also it will be close to the Petersen Automotive Museum for the Museum = dinner event on Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. I was thinking Cinco de = Mayo dinner that night at the museum.=20 http://www.petersen.org/default.cfm?DocId=3D1813&CarID=3D130=20 Leaving will be Thursday around 8.30 AM through the Santa Monica = mountains, Mulholland drive to the horse country around Calabasas, the = Oxnard plains then inland through a breath taking drive on highway 154 = to lunch at a winery in the Los Olivos area. then a neat back road drive = to SLO.=20 Dinner that night in coordination with XKs Unlimited, perhaps - but = that is now Jerry Mouton's sector!!=20 The route from LA to SLO is easy for me. I have been on many rallies = in that direction.=20 Ron Rader=20 =20 Jamie - JONAT wrote:=20 Hey Ron, I can't wait to see your route! I love back roads!=20 Just for fun I ran a route from LA to SFO on MS Streets & Tips = program.=20 Started at Ventura, San Simeon, Big Sur, Monterey, Santa Cruz and = ended at=20 Daly City. Came out around 8 hours and 397 miles. But that's = without any=20 stops, not even a lunch stop! And of course that will never do! = =20 This trip is going to be so much fun! =20 Jamie Duffey=20 JONAT Executive Committee=20 http://www.jonat.org/=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ron Rader" =20 To: =20 Cc: "Jerry Mouton" =20 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:38 PM=20 Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco=20 > Hey Jerry:=20 > I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get = the lads=20 at=20 > XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I = have not=20 > contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co = coordinator. =20 >=20 > We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on = Thursday the=20 6th=20 > between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los = Olivos=20 (winery=20 > area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the = arrival=20 planned for=20 > between 4 and five PM.=20 >=20 > I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary = roads the=20 > entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess = that my=20 route=20 > would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments?=20 > Ron Rader=20 >=20 > FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and = shipping my=20 car=20 > back.=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob wrote:=20 >=20 > > Jerry=20 > >=20 > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note = to all=20 the=20 > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items = that are=20 > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind).=20 > >=20 > > Bob England=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message-----=20 > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org]=20 > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM=20 > > To: Bob=20 > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco=20 > >=20 > > Bob,=20 > >=20 > > OK, thanks for he info.=20 > >=20 > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour=20 > > map -- it's singular rather than plural!=20 > >=20 > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW.=20 > >=20 > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found.=20 > >=20 > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE = FIXED THE=20 > > PROBLEM.=20 > >=20 > > I guess I would like a little more information about the=20 > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region=20 > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator=20 > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented=20 > > tour, would it?=20 > >=20 > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. = YOU=20 CAN=20 > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE = COSTS DOWN=20 TO=20 > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT = WILL BE=20 > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. = THERE MAY=20 ALSO=20 > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO = ORGANIZE THAT=20 > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG = TO KNOW=20 HOW=20 > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET.=20 > >=20 > > Is this going to be a commercial event?=20 > >=20 > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO.=20 > >=20 > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what=20 > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds=20 > > to come to them from our group?=20 > >=20 > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE = WOULD BE=20 > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS = THERE=20 MIGHT BE=20 > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A = CHARITABLE EVENT.=20 WE=20 > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. = THERE MAY=20 BE=20 > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT = NOTHING HAS=20 BEEN=20 > > FINALIZED AS OF YET.=20 > >=20 > > Based on the description I saw, participants=20 > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc.=20 > > What will local funds be required to pay for?=20 > >=20 > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.=20 > >=20 > > Could you clarify for me?=20 > >=20 > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS = OR=20 CONCERNS,=20 > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO = THE=20 SECTOR=20 > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST.=20 > >=20 > > Thanks, Jerry=20 > >=20 > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons = temps=20 rouler!"=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________=20 > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list=20 > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net=20 > > www.jonat.org=20 > > _______________________________________________=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list=20 > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net=20 > www.jonat.org=20 > _______________________________________________=20 >=20 _______________________________________________=20 JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list=20 REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net=20 www.jonat.org=20 _______________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_025F_01C307BB.17052DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds and looks great Ron. =20 Thanks!
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron Rader=20
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 = 8:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT = - San=20 Francisco

Jamie:
My current thinking is that the out of = Towner=92s=20 prefer to stay in West LA. So we will end there on Tuesday, May 4, = 2004. We=20 could look at the Nrthercutt museum on Wednesday???=20

http://www.nethe= rcuttcollection.org/index2.html=20

Also it will be close to the Petersen Automotive Museum for the = Museum=20 dinner event on Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. I was thinking Cinco de = Mayo=20 dinner that night at the museum.=20

http://www.petersen.org/default.cfm?DocId=3D1813&CarID=3D130= =20

Leaving will be Thursday around 8.30 AM through the Santa Monica = mountains,=20 Mulholland drive to the horse country around Calabasas, the Oxnard = plains then=20 inland through a breath taking drive on highway 154 to lunch at a = winery in=20 the Los Olivos area. then a neat back road drive to SLO.=20

Dinner that night in coordination with XKs Unlimited, perhaps - but = that is=20 now Jerry Mouton's sector!!=20

The route from LA to SLO is easy for me. I have been on many = rallies in=20 that direction.
Ron Rader
 =20

Jamie - JONAT wrote:=20

Hey Ron, I can't wait to see your = route!  I=20 love back roads!=20

Just for fun I ran a route from LA to SFO on MS Streets & = Tips=20 program.
Started at Ventura, San Simeon, Big Sur, Monterey, = Santa Cruz=20 and ended at
Daly City.  Came out around 8 hours and 397=20 miles.  But that's without any
stops, not even a lunch = stop! =20 And of course that will never do! <grin>=20

This trip is going to be so much fun! <grin>=20

Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/=20

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Rader"=20 <rader@interworld.net>
To: <jonat@autox.team.net> =
Cc:=20 "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, = 2003=20 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco=20

> Hey Jerry:
> I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I = would=20 think we could get the lads
at
> XKs Unlimited to have = some kind=20 of dinner on Thursday night. I have not
> contacted them = since I am=20 leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. <grin>
> =
> We=20 will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on Thursday = the=20
6th
> between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and = driving to=20 Los Olivos
(winery
> area) for lunch at one of the = wineries. Then=20 to SLO with the arrival
planned for
> between 4 and five = PM.=20
>
> I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will = be on=20 secondary roads the
> entire way. The map book says about 204 = miles=20 buy I would guess that my
route
> would be closer to 250 = miles.=20 Thoughts? Comments?
> Ron Rader
>
> FYI:  = I am=20 planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and shipping my =
car=20
> back.
>
>
> Bob wrote:
> =
> >=20 Jerry
> >
> > See my comments in CAPITALS = below. =20 I've also copied your note to all
the
> > SC's via the = mailing=20 list -  you bring up some VERY good items that are
> = >=20 worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind).
> > =
>=20 > Bob England
> >
> > -----Original = Message-----=20
> > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] =
> >=20 Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM
> > To: Bob
> > = Subject:=20 Re: JONAT - San Francisco
> >
> > Bob,
> = >=20
> > OK, thanks for he info.
> >
> > A = few=20 notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour
> > map = -- it's=20 singular rather than plural!
> >
> > SORRY ABOUT = THAT=20 !  IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW.
> >
> > The San=20 Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found.
> > =
> >=20 BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY !  TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE = FIXED THE=20
> > PROBLEM.
> >
> > I guess I would = like a=20 little more information about the
> > overall tour.  = The=20 organization you suggest for a region
> > includes a = treasurer and=20 fund raising coordinator
> > This would not be necessary = in a=20 low-key, fun oriented
> > tour, would it?
> > =
>=20 > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY = SUGGESTIONS. =20 YOU
CAN
> > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH.  = WE ARE=20 TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS DOWN
TO
> > $0, BUT THERE = WILL BE AT=20 THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL BE
> > = AVAILABLE FOR=20 PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION.  THERE MAY =
ALSO=20
> > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT = TO=20 ORGANIZE THAT
> > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL = WIZARDRY.  WE'RE=20 NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW
HOW
> > THIS WILL FALL = INTO PLACE=20 AS OF YET.
> >
> > Is this going to be a = commercial=20 event?
> >
> > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE = ANSWER=20 IS NO.
> >
> > What sort of funds do you = envision being=20 raised, for what
> > purpose?  Will the national = organizers=20 expect some funds
> > to come to them from our group? =
>=20 >
> > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO=20 ASPECTS.  ONE WOULD BE
> > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL=20 ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE
MIGHT BE
> = > ON=20 THE TOUR.  TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE = EVENT.=20
WE
> > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL = COSTS TO=20 COVER.  THERE MAY
BE
> > FOR INSURANCE AND THE=20 LIKE.  THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING HAS
BEEN =
>=20 > FINALIZED AS OF YET.
> >
> > Based on the=20 description I saw, participants
> > are responsible for = their own=20 accommodations, food, etc.
> > What will local funds be = required=20 to pay for?
> >
> > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. =
> >=20
> > Could you clarify for me?
> >
> >=20 HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR=20
CONCERNS,
> > PLEASE LET ME KNOW.  BETTER YET, = THROUGH=20 OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE
SECTOR
> > COORDINATOR GROUP = AT=20 LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST.
> >
> > = Thanks,  =20 Jerry
> >
> > Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps
rouler!"
> >
> >=20 _______________________________________________
> > JAGUAR = OWNER'S=20 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list
> > REPLY TO :=20 JONAT@autox.team.net
> > www.jonat.org
> >=20 _______________________________________________
>
> =
>=20 _______________________________________________
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------=_NextPart_000_025F_01C307BB.17052DC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 06:20:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon Apr 21 05:20:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San Francisco References: <01ff01c30794$6f674920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <022b01c30796$eb471960$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <023901c307ab$f72f9a80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <02e901c307b0$6bb88840$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <027401c307f7$570d1ea0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Jerry I ran a version using Eureka and it works out just fine. In fact, just slightly better with regard to the end of the second day in Oregon. My aim is to turn over the control to the Washington Sector in Astoria and by adding the extra time to go from Eureka makes the end point come out later in the day. Closer to the expected stop time each day. So Eureka! I've seen the light! Sorry, couldn't help it. How many places across this Continent can someone get a chance to say that in a relative fashion? Okay, don't answer that ... Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mouton" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San Francisco > Jamie, > > I'll take us through the mountains on the last half, > so they can enjoy the coast in Oregon. > > They'll get Hwy 1 through Big Sur and Carmel, > then Napa Valley, then mountains and valley, then your > coastline. Sounds pretty varied. > > Hwy 5 is dry, but there is Booneville and the coast range, > which I always enjoy. Clear Lake, Calistoga, > We'll see what I can find. > > The original handoff point was Eureka, but I'll see how the > mileage looks. We can play it by ear. Was Eureka a > problem for you? Not that there's anything special about > it as far as I know, but something we should avoid there? > > Jerry > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie - JONAT" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:16 PM > Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San > Francisco > > > > FYI, they (whoever's in the Group - smile) will be coming from the high > > desert areas just before they come into Ron's LA Sector and then possibly > > from the Lake Tahoe side trip which I know is shown on the map. > > > > I'm only doing the Oregon coast because it's one of the most beautiful > > places I've been, but then we all have our favorites, right? I've > actually > > lived in Tucson, Biloxi, Chicago and Fairbanks and loved them all. > Actually > > I've got the Washington State (Seattle) Sector but we haven't found a > > volunteer for Oregon Sector yet, so I felt I should get the routing set up > > without anymore delay. I also want to add with reference to your comment > on > > taking them to the mountains ... While Shasta is really nice, the rest of > > the area is kinda yech, all dry and dusty in North Central CA and/or miles > > and miles of nothing to really look at in the mid-west-central Oregon > areas. > > Sorry, I used to have some relatives in Redding that I couldn't really > stand > > too much! So I'm probably suffering from seeing that road too > much. > > > > Anyway you want to go is cool with me, but I would really like to meet up > in > > Crescent if possible. But if that is too close or too far, let me know. > > > > Additionally I should let you know that when they reach Washington, we are > > going through the mountains for about 100 miles or so. Around Mount St. > > Helens and Mount Rainier and then near the base of the Olympics on the > > peninsula. > > > > Jamie Duffey > > JONAT Executive Committee > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Mouton" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > Hi, Jamie, > > > > > > We have not gotten that far yet in planning. > > > Of course, we will work with you to make the > > > hand-off work well. > > > > > > One consideration is variety -- if you will be taking the group > > > down the Pacific coast, I might want to bring them inland > > > to the mountains. Three days on the coast could get > > > a little boring (!) Anyway, we do have a lot of options... > > > > > > I'll get back with you when we come up with a plan. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > rouler!" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jamie - JONAT" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:27 PM > > > Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! > > > > > > > > Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the > > Oregon > > > > route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the coast > as > > > it's > > > > really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you > feel > > we > > > > should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about > Crescent > > > > City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? > > > > > > > > As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for around > > > > 9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe > 5:00pm > > > > with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? > But > > of > > > > course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan > > from > > > > Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch > > > around > > > > Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! > > > > > > > > Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jamie Duffey > > > > 88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" > > > > JONAT Executive Committee > > > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bob" > > > > To: "Jerry Mouton" > > > > Cc: "JONAT MailList" > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:37 AM > > > > Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to > all > > > the > > > > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items that > > are > > > > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > > > > > > > > > Bob England > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > > > > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > > > > > To: Bob > > > > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > OK, thanks for he info. > > > > > > > > > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > > > > > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > > > > > > > > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > > > > > > > > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > > > > > > > > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED > THE > > > > > PROBLEM. > > > > > > > > > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > > > > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > > > > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > > > > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > > > > > tour, would it? > > > > > > > > > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. > YOU > > > CAN > > > > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE COSTS > > DOWN > > > > TO > > > > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT WILL > > BE > > > > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE > MAY > > > ALSO > > > > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE > > THAT > > > > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO > > KNOW > > > > HOW > > > > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > > > > > > > > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > > > > > > > > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > > > > > > > > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > > > > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > > > > > to come to them from our group? > > > > > > > > > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE WOULD > > BE > > > > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS THERE > > > MIGHT > > > > BE > > > > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE > > EVENT. > > > > WE > > > > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. THERE > > MAY > > > BE > > > > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT NOTHING > > HAS > > > > BEEN > > > > > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > > > > > > > > > Based on the description I saw, participants > > > > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > > > > > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > > > > > > > > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > > > > > > > > > Could you clarify for me? > > > > > > > > > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR > > > > CONCERNS, > > > > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE > > > SECTOR > > > > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jerry > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > > > rouler!" > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > > > www.jonat.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > > www.jonat.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 08:11:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Steve Ferring) Date: Mon Apr 21 07:11:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT --> FW: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth AnnualJag-Lovers Picnic References: Message-ID: <3EA3ECF5.D1ECADD0@optonline.net> Bob, I am a member of this group and the organizer, Mike Eck is a friend. I am sure that an accomodation can be made but will reserve judgement based on the timing. Since this planning is in flux, accomodations such as this will have to wait until the tour timing is more refined in the beginning stretches. When we have a hand-off date and place we can do more with the local activities and dealers. Several of the local wineries have expressed an interest in having the group stop at one of their weekend events and will provide amenities, but we need solid dates to excute. Steve Ferring Bob wrote: > Steve - This Jag-Lovers picnic is up in your neck of the woods. If they > could have this event a few weeks later in 2004, maybe we could link up with > this event. Do you want to make some preliminary contacts with this group ? > > Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-pub@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-pub@jag-lovers.org]On > |Behalf Of Mike Eck > |Sent: April 19, 2003 10:02 AM > |To: xk@jag-lovers.org > |Subject: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth Annual Jag-Lovers Picnic > | > | > |Dear Fellow Jag-Lovers, > | > |As the last of the snow finally disappears from the roadsides and the days > |get longer and warmer, it's easier to think about driving Jaguars and > |meeting other Jag-Lovers. And what better place than at the Fourth Annual > |Jag-Lovers Picnic. This is one event that anyone within driving distance > |should be sure to attend; ask anyone who had been to one before. > | > |Those of you who have had the privilege of meeting your fellow Jag-Lovers > |face-to-face know that it's a lot of fun, sort of like meeting an > |old friend > |for the first time. That's the idea behind the Jag-Lovers picnic. > | > |Three years ago I had the idea of inviting the friends we've made on the > |internet lists to come to a picnic in New Jersey so we could get together > |for an afternoon and swap stories and admire cars. I figured maybe a dozen > |nearby people would show up. > | > |As it turned out, about 80 people came from many different states. The > |Cunninghams came down from upstate Vermont in their '52 XK120, the Kruegers > |drove in from Michigan in their '140 DHC, there were people from Florida, > |Ohio, Virginia, Georgia, and all points in between. Needless to say we had > |a great time and it has since become an annual event. > | > |Remember, this is not a car show (although I imagine there will be quite a > |few Jaguars there), it is a gathering of like-minded individuals getting > |together in person to share the camaraderie that was started on > |these lists. > |We have private picnic grounds, an all-you-can-eat picnic lunch, door > |prizes, a 30 mile run through the back roads, and a lot of friendly people > |having a good time. Bringing a Jaguar is not necessary; many people bring > |pictures of their work-in-progress. > | > |On Saturday night the locals get together at the picnic grounds with the > |out-of-town Jag-Lovers and leave for supper at 6:00, then return afterwards > |for the June edition of our famous "First Tuesday" meeting (see the writeup > |in the March 2002 edition of Porter's "XK Gazette"). We sit around, drink > |beer, swap lies, admire cars, share pictures and videos, and generally have > |a great time, extending far into the night. > | > |There is more information in the International Events Calendar at > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/events/event_view.php3?id=280 > | > |There is a write-up and slide show about the previous picnic at... > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/modern/picnic02/ > | > |Here are some pictures and impressions from previous events.... > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1031013635 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=991793675 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=991793060 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=960585374 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=960295791 > |http://www.angelfire.com/de/ffce/picnic.html > | > | > |So mark June 1 on your calendars, and then drop me an email > |(MikeEck@optonline.net ) to let me know you're coming so I can make sure we > |have enough food! I'll also put you on the mailing list for directions and > |other information. > | > |Hope to see you all there! > | > |Mike Eck > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 10:24:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon Apr 21 09:24:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San Francisco References: <01ff01c30794$6f674920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <022b01c30796$eb471960$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <023901c307ab$f72f9a80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <02e901c307b0$6bb88840$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <027401c307f7$570d1ea0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <006001c30819$7df022c0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Jamie, Great! If you prefer any other place, I'll work with that -- I just wanted to see what was possible. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:15 AM Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San Francisco > Jerry I ran a version using Eureka and it works out just fine. In fact, > just slightly better with regard to the end of the second day in Oregon. My > aim is to turn over the control to the Washington Sector in Astoria and by > adding the extra time to go from Eureka makes the end point come out later > in the day. Closer to the expected stop time each day. > > So Eureka! I've seen the light! Sorry, couldn't help it. How many > places across this Continent can someone get a chance to say that in a > relative fashion? Okay, don't answer that ... > > Jamie Duffey > JONAT Executive Committee > http://www.jonat.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Mouton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San > Francisco > > > > Jamie, > > > > I'll take us through the mountains on the last half, > > so they can enjoy the coast in Oregon. > > > > They'll get Hwy 1 through Big Sur and Carmel, > > then Napa Valley, then mountains and valley, then your > > coastline. Sounds pretty varied. > > > > Hwy 5 is dry, but there is Booneville and the coast range, > > which I always enjoy. Clear Lake, Calistoga, > > We'll see what I can find. > > > > The original handoff point was Eureka, but I'll see how the > > mileage looks. We can play it by ear. Was Eureka a > > problem for you? Not that there's anything special about > > it as far as I know, but something we should avoid there? > > > > Jerry > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jamie - JONAT" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:16 PM > > Subject: [JONAT] Meeting point for SF and "North"; was - JONAT - San > > Francisco > > > > > > > FYI, they (whoever's in the Group - smile) will be coming from the high > > > desert areas just before they come into Ron's LA Sector and then > possibly > > > from the Lake Tahoe side trip which I know is shown on the map. > > > > > > I'm only doing the Oregon coast because it's one of the most beautiful > > > places I've been, but then we all have our favorites, right? I've > > actually > > > lived in Tucson, Biloxi, Chicago and Fairbanks and loved them all. > > Actually > > > I've got the Washington State (Seattle) Sector but we haven't found a > > > volunteer for Oregon Sector yet, so I felt I should get the routing set > up > > > without anymore delay. I also want to add with reference to your > comment > > on > > > taking them to the mountains ... While Shasta is really nice, the rest > of > > > the area is kinda yech, all dry and dusty in North Central CA and/or > miles > > > and miles of nothing to really look at in the mid-west-central Oregon > > areas. > > > Sorry, I used to have some relatives in Redding that I couldn't really > > stand > > > too much! So I'm probably suffering from seeing that road too > > much. > > > > > > Anyway you want to go is cool with me, but I would really like to meet > up > > in > > > Crescent if possible. But if that is too close or too far, let me know. > > > > > > Additionally I should let you know that when they reach Washington, we > are > > > going through the mountains for about 100 miles or so. Around Mount St. > > > Helens and Mount Rainier and then near the base of the Olympics on the > > > peninsula. > > > > > > Jamie Duffey > > > JONAT Executive Committee > > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jerry Mouton" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Jamie, > > > > > > > > We have not gotten that far yet in planning. > > > > Of course, we will work with you to make the > > > > hand-off work well. > > > > > > > > One consideration is variety -- if you will be taking the group > > > > down the Pacific coast, I might want to bring them inland > > > > to the mountains. Three days on the coast could get > > > > a little boring (!) Anyway, we do have a lot of options... > > > > > > > > I'll get back with you when we come up with a plan. > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > > rouler!" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jamie - JONAT" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:27 PM > > > > Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! > > > > > > > > > > Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the > > > Oregon > > > > > route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the coast > > as > > > > it's > > > > > really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you > > feel > > > we > > > > > should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about > > Crescent > > > > > City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? > > > > > > > > > > As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for > around > > > > > 9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe > > 5:00pm > > > > > with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? > > But > > > of > > > > > course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan > > > from > > > > > Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch > > > > around > > > > > Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! > > > > > > > > > > Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Jamie Duffey > > > > > 88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" > > > > > JONAT Executive Committee > > > > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bob" > > > > > To: "Jerry Mouton" > > > > > Cc: "JONAT MailList" > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:37 AM > > > > > Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > See my comments in CAPITALS below. I've also copied your note to > > all > > > > the > > > > > > SC's via the mailing list - you bring up some VERY good items > that > > > are > > > > > > worthwhile talking up a bit (I hope you don't mind). > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob England > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Jerry Mouton [mailto:jerry@moutons.org] > > > > > > Sent: April 20, 2003 12:06 PM > > > > > > To: Bob > > > > > > Subject: Re: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, thanks for he info. > > > > > > > > > > > > A few notes -- my name is misspelled on the overall tour > > > > > > map -- it's singular rather than plural! > > > > > > > > > > > > SORRY ABOUT THAT ! IT SHOULD BE FIXED NOW. > > > > > > > > > > > > The San Francisco More Detailed Route map is not found. > > > > > > > > > > > > BOY - I'M BATTING 1000 TODAY ! TRY IT AGAIN - I THINK I'VE FIXED > > THE > > > > > > PROBLEM. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess I would like a little more information about the > > > > > > overall tour. The organization you suggest for a region > > > > > > includes a treasurer and fund raising coordinator > > > > > > This would not be necessary in a low-key, fun oriented > > > > > > tour, would it? > > > > > > > > > > > > THE COMMITTEE MAKE-UP SUGGESTED IS JUST THAT - ONLY SUGGESTIONS. > > YOU > > > > CAN > > > > > > ORGANIZE IT WHATEVER WAY YOU WISH. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE > COSTS > > > DOWN > > > > > TO > > > > > > $0, BUT THERE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST SOME PARAPHERNALIA THAT > WILL > > > BE > > > > > > AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND/OR GIVEN OUT WITH REGISTRATION. THERE > > MAY > > > > ALSO > > > > > > BE AN EVENT OR TWO FOR YOUR SECTOR THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ORGANIZE > > > THAT > > > > > > MIGHT NEED SOME FINANCIAL WIZARDRY. WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO > > > KNOW > > > > > HOW > > > > > > THIS WILL FALL INTO PLACE AS OF YET. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this going to be a commercial event? > > > > > > > > > > > > IF YOU MEAN IS IT FOR PROFIT, THE ANSWER IS NO. > > > > > > > > > > > > What sort of funds do you envision being raised, for what > > > > > > purpose? Will the national organizers expect some funds > > > > > > to come to them from our group? > > > > > > > > > > > > WITH REGARDS TO FUND RAISING, THERE MIGHT BE TWO ASPECTS. ONE > WOULD > > > BE > > > > > > FUNDRAISING FROM LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OFFSET ANY COSTS > THERE > > > > MIGHT > > > > > BE > > > > > > ON THE TOUR. TWO WOULD BE IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS A CHARITABLE > > > EVENT. > > > > > WE > > > > > > DON'T KNOW YET IF THERE WILL BE SOME CENTRAL COSTS TO COVER. > THERE > > > MAY > > > > BE > > > > > > FOR INSURANCE AND THE LIKE. THESE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT > NOTHING > > > HAS > > > > > BEEN > > > > > > FINALIZED AS OF YET. > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on the description I saw, participants > > > > > > are responsible for their own accommodations, food, etc. > > > > > > What will local funds be required to pay for? > > > > > > > > > > > > SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you clarify for me? > > > > > > > > > > > > HOPEFULLY THE ABOVE HELPS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR > > > > > CONCERNS, > > > > > > PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BETTER YET, THROUGH OUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE > > > > SECTOR > > > > > > COORDINATOR GROUP AT LARGE VIA THE MAILING LIST. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > > > > rouler!" > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > > > > www.jonat.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > > > www.jonat.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > > www.jonat.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 17:24:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon Apr 21 16:24:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Paging Fried, Paging Fried - JONAT SC's Take Note References: Message-ID: <031f01c30854$17686ae0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_031C_01C30819.69F563C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fried? Did you see Bob's inquiry below? I'm curious too. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Ron I do not see any reason why you cannot request some assistance on the = JagLovers webpage. Probably a good idea. The only thing to remember is = any lengthy discussions should take place on the "Pub" JagLovers list. Perhaps keep the request to individuals and clubs right now, as I = think Fried was going to contact Jaguar North America directly (Do I = remember correctly Fried, and how is that going?) Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: April 18, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers = pages?=20 i am a member of the E group.=20 I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. ------=_NextPart_000_031C_01C30819.69F563C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fried?  Did you see Bob's inquiry = below? =20 I'm curious too.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 = 7:07=20 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Ron
 
 I do not = see any reason=20 why you cannot request some assistance on the JagLovers webpage.  = Probably a good idea.  The only thing to remember is any lengthy=20 discussions should take place on the "Pub" JagLovers = list.
 
Perhaps keep the = request=20 to individuals and clubs right now, as I think Fried was going to = contact=20 Jaguar North America  directly (Do I remember correctly Fried, = and how is=20 that going?)
 
 Bob
-----Original Message-----
Sent: April 18, 2003 = 11:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE = NOTE

Is there any reason that we cannot promote = this on=20 the Jag lovers pages?
i am a member of the E group.
I need = some help=20 and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers.=20
------=_NextPart_000_031C_01C30819.69F563C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 17:37:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon Apr 21 16:37:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update References: Message-ID: <032501c30855$f02e14a0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> In Portugal? Cool! I love it when someone goes all the way to get the word out about a good thing like this Tour! Did he take some of those awesome flyers with him or a laptop? Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update > Alan > > Ian is in Portugal right now (:^( but I think he was planning an overnight > in Virden, likely arriving 4pm give or take. > > Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > |Sent: April 18, 2003 11:49 AM > |Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update > | > | > |Bob, > |I have uploaded a web page with some pictures taken along our route > |through Manitoba and Ontario. Perhaps you can create a link to this > |page on the jonat site. Hopefully it'll spark interest, not scare people > |off. > |The page is: > |www.heartfield.net/events/jonat/ > |I have written a letter to every member of the local Jaguar club telling > |them about jonat and asking for help on the committee. So far, no > |replies. > |Ian, do you know yet what time of the day the tour will get to Virden? > |Alan > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 17:49:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fried and Gayle) Date: Mon Apr 21 16:49:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Paging Fried, Paging Fried - JONAT SC's Take Note In-Reply-To: <031f01c30854$17686ae0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <000401c30855$6bbe1e90$6601a8c0@Gayle> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_dvDn+0pXFtWbOhyR5YsHhQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All. Yes - now that we have a tentative itinerary and web-site with excellent info - will re-establish contact with Jag-USA for sponsorship - their initial response was positive (provided we didn't want the "Growler" - apparently a difficult sell even for those folks at JAG-USA -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 5:20 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Paging Fried, Paging Fried - JONAT SC's Take Note Fried? Did you see Bob's inquiry below? I'm curious too. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee HYPERLINK "http://www.jonat.org/"http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:engl@jonat.org"Bob To: HYPERLINK "mailto:jonat@autox.team.net"jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Ron I do not see any reason why you cannot request some assistance on the JagLovers webpage. Probably a good idea. The only thing to remember is any lengthy discussions should take place on the "Pub" JagLovers list. Perhaps keep the request to individuals and clubs right now, as I think Fried was going to contact Jaguar North America directly (Do I remember correctly Fried, and how is that going?) Bob -----Original Message----- Sent: April 18, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages? i am a member of the E group. I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --Boundary_(ID_dvDn+0pXFtWbOhyR5YsHhQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
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Yes - now that we have a tentative itinerary and web-site with excellent info - will re-establish contact with Jag-USA for sponsorship - their initial response was positive (provided we didn't want the "Growler" - apparently a difficult sell even for those folks at JAG-USA
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Fried?  Did you see Bob's inquiry below?  I'm curious too.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
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From: Bob
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Ron
 
 I do not see any reason why you cannot request some assistance on the JagLovers webpage.  Probably a good idea.  The only thing to remember is any lengthy discussions should take place on the "Pub" JagLovers list.
 
Perhaps keep the request to individuals and clubs right now, as I think Fried was going to contact Jaguar North America  directly (Do I remember correctly Fried, and how is that going?)
 
 Bob
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I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers.

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--Boundary_(ID_dvDn+0pXFtWbOhyR5YsHhQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 22:35:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 21 21:35:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: <01ff01c30794$6f674920$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Jamie / Jerry See my original thoughts on the Oregon Sector at http://www.jonat.org/bob/PDFMaps/Sector%20-%20Portland%20-%20PRELIM.pdf Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT |Sent: April 20, 2003 5:28 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco | | |Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! | |Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the Oregon |route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the |coast as it's |really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you feel we |should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about Crescent |City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? | |As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for around |9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe 5:00pm |with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? But of |course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan from |Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch around |Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! | |Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. | |Thanks, | |Jamie Duffey |88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" |JONAT Executive Committee |http://www.jonat.org/ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 22:38:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 21 21:38:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> Message-ID: Ron et. al. Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to start the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here thinking of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our "negotiation list". Thoughts? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |Hey Jerry: |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get |the lads at |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. | |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on |Thursday the 6th |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los |Olivos (winery |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the |arrival planned for |between 4 and five PM. | |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess |that my route |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? |Ron Rader | |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and |shipping my car |back. From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 22:48:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Mon Apr 21 21:48:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: References: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> Message-ID: <3EA47462.13111.3E111C64@localhost> Perhaps we should vary the start time according to the day's travel. On a short day, everyone can relax and take their time. But on a long day, like Day 2 of my sector, an earlier start would be a very good idea. And yes, if the cost was reasonable, I might consider shipping my car to Vancouver and pick up the tour there. Is the train an option? Then we could ride along with our cars. Alan On 21 Apr 2003 at 21:34, Bob wrote: > Ron et. al. > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to start > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here thinking > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our "negotiation > list". Thoughts? > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |Hey Jerry: > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > |the lads at > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. > | > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > |Thursday the 6th > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > |Olivos (winery > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > |arrival planned for > |between 4 and five PM. > | > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > |that my route > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > |Ron Rader > | > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > |shipping my car > |back. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 22:58:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 21 21:58:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary sector In-Reply-To: <3EA370D4.931F2B7E@telus.net> Message-ID: Craig I think your idea of stopping in Banff where there is a larger variety of more reasonable hotels is a good idea. Let me know if Barry is in agreement. I'll update the Calgary Sector in a few minutes to reflect the 1A route. Check it out and let me know if it is OK at http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_Calgary.htm. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |This weekend I drove the mountain section of the route, and the map |should be changed to show taking highway 1A from Lake Louise to Banff. |It runs roughly parallel to the Trans Canada, but isn't as busy and you |are likely to see more wildlife. Yesterday I saw Elk and Mountain Sheep. |And Canadian Pacific's steam engine, but that's a different hobby! | |The 1A road is more closed in, as the trees come right to the edge so |the views of the mountains can be a bit obstructed. However, there are |lots of pull off and scenic viewpoints, and you won't have a semi truck |sitting on your bumper trying to pass because you're busy looking at the |mountains. | |I've sent an E mail to Barry (Okanagan Sector) to get his views on the |handoff location. Lake Louise is great for scenery, but the Chateau Lake |Louise is about the only accommodation and its big $$ in the summer. I'd |like to give participants the option of more moderately priced |accommodation. | |Craig |92 VDP V12 |64 E ots From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:01:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (craig talbot) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:01:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: <3EA33D6C.603C6D0F@interworld.net> <3EA47462.13111.3E111C64@localhost> Message-ID: <3EA4C03A.83DBF517@telus.net> I think train is only an option on remote routes, like Winnipeg-Churchill. On the Canadian (Vancouver-Toronto) that's not an option. For shipping, I've used L Hansen and been very pleased with the service and rates. www.lhf.com. They use CPR for trans-canada shipping, so your car could be shipped by train, and from Winnipeg you can take the train to Vancouver, it just won't be on the same train! I had a car shipped from Ottawa to Calgary about 5 years ago and I think the cost was about $700 CDN, I can't recall the exact figure. Should take about 4-5 days. I used them for another car that was shipped from West Virginia to Calgary and it was $1500 and 7 days, door to door. Craig agh@ieee.org wrote: > > And yes, if the cost was reasonable, I might consider shipping my car to Vancouver and > pick up the tour there. Is the train an option? Then we could ride along with our cars. > > Alan > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:11:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:11:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT --> FW: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth AnnualJag-Lovers Picnic In-Reply-To: <3EA3ECF5.D1ECADD0@optonline.net> Message-ID: Steve Sounds good ... even more impetus for having the timing (and hence preliminary route) set as soon as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |Bob, I am a member of this group and the organizer, Mike Eck is a |friend. I am |sure that an accomodation can be made but will reserve judgement |based on the |timing. Since this planning is in flux, accomodations such as this |will have to |wait until the tour timing is more refined in the beginning |stretches. When we |have a hand-off date and place we can do more with the local activities and |dealers. Several of the local wineries have expressed an interest |in having the |group stop at one of their weekend events and will provide |amenities, but we |need solid dates to excute. |Steve Ferring From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:11:14 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:11:14 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Winnipeg Sector update In-Reply-To: <032501c30855$f02e14a0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Not sure ... Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On | |In Portugal? Cool! I love it when someone goes all the way to |get the word |out about a good thing like this Tour! Did he take some of those |awesome flyers with him or a laptop? | |Jamie Duffey From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:14:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:14:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: Message-ID: <3EA4C22A.EF0A9E3C@interworld.net> That looks like a great route. i have lived in CA since 1951 and I have never driven all the way to the Canada border. Ron R Bob wrote: > Jamie / Jerry > > See my original thoughts on the Oregon Sector at > http://www.jonat.org/bob/PDFMaps/Sector%20-%20Portland%20-%20PRELIM.pdf > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > JONAT Executive Committee > www.jonat.org > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > |Sent: April 20, 2003 5:28 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: Fw: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > | > | > |Good, so we have a San Francisco SC now. Great! > | > |Jerry? Since we haven't gotten an Oregon one yet, I'm planning the Oregon > |route at this point. I'm basically going to follow 101 up the > |coast as it's > |really a beautiful drive. Is there a particular place or area you feel we > |should pick as the "hand off" point between Sectors? How about Crescent > |City? It seems like a good point for an over-nighter? > | > |As our departure times from our "over-night" points is set for around > |9:00am, that will put you in Crescent City around 3:45pm or maybe 5:00pm > |with a stop for lunch somewhere along the way, like maybe Willits? But of > |course this is just my wishful thinking as I started the Oregon plan from > |Crescent City. Or maybe take Hwy 1 up the coast? With lunch around > |Point Arena? Hmmm ... so many options you have! > | > |Let me know what you're planning and where you'd like to hand-off. > | > |Thanks, > | > |Jamie Duffey > |88 SIII V12 VdP - "Roxanne" > |JONAT Executive Committee > |http://www.jonat.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:17:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:17:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Shipping cars for part of the route In-Reply-To: <3EA47462.13111.3E111C64@localhost> Message-ID: Alan I LIKE your idea of shipping the cars by train to Vancouver and riding along with them. That would be a HOOT! Not sure its possible (Via does not run through Regina or Calgary any more) but sounds like a great idea. Now ... is it worth following up on ? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |Perhaps we should vary the start time according to the day's |travel. On a short day, |everyone can relax and take their time. But on a long day, like |Day 2 of my sector, an |earlier start would be a very good idea. | |And yes, if the cost was reasonable, I might consider shipping my |car to Vancouver and |pick up the tour there. Is the train an option? Then we could |ride along with our cars. | |Alan From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:20:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:20:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT- shipping References: Message-ID: <3EA4C3B7.283BF3BC@interworld.net> For the Healey event in in Tahoe last year we shopped the prices and went with intercity lines. http://www.intercitylines.com/ best price, very accommodating. completely enclosed. They picked up in San Diego orange county, irvine and west LA and delivered all to Tahoe. Did the same in reverse. we filled it with 7 cars. ask for Bob. tell him Ron Rader & Corvette Mike sent you. ron YMMV Bob wrote: > Ron et. al. > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to start > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here thinking > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our "negotiation > list". Thoughts? > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > www.jonat.org > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |Hey Jerry: > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > |the lads at > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. > | > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > |Thursday the 6th > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > |Olivos (winery > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > |arrival planned for > |between 4 and five PM. > | > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > |that my route > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > |Ron Rader > | > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > |shipping my car > |back. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:22:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:22:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - timing References: Message-ID: <3EA4C3FC.D647865A@interworld.net> Since i am a sleep in kinda guy it works fro me. i think on short days we should leave at 9.30. on long days we should leave at 8.30. Ron Bob wrote: > Ron et. al. > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to start > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here thinking > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our "negotiation > list". Thoughts? > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > www.jonat.org > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |Hey Jerry: > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > |the lads at > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. > | > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > |Thursday the 6th > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > |Olivos (winery > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > |arrival planned for > |between 4 and five PM. > | > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > |that my route > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > |Ron Rader > | > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > |shipping my car > |back. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 23:40:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:40:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Regroup / Rendezvous Points In-Reply-To: <3EA4729B.12154.3E0A2913@localhost> Message-ID: Alan My thoughts on rendezvous / regroup points is that we would have basically 3 per leg. One is the starting point, the second would be lunch, and the third being the ending point "official" hotel. There was a desire earlier to not make the tour too regimented, so this may be enough (?). The only "mandatory" one would be the starting point, so maps distribution / information / etc. could take place at the start of the day. I expect there will be groups that stop for coffee together, etc, but more on an informal basis. Anyone have comments on this thought? Also, the timing for the S&T Maps is such that it allows for a 20 minute stop in the morning and one in the afternoon, with no set place to stop. This is set by the slower (i.e. main highways which one would normally travel at 60 mph have been given a maximum speed of 54 mph to allow for the stops). For more details see http://www.jonat.org/bob/PDFMaps/TourProfileOptions.pdf. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |I have been editing the itinerary for my sector using Adobe Acrobat. |Once I have all the changes made, I will send you the revised pdf file. |One thing I have added is a small blue circle at each location on the |map where services (restroom, gas, food) can be found. I know for lots |of sectors this would be silly, but on my sector (and Ian's) you can drive |a long way before seeing civilization sometimes. It''ll be nice |for people |to know when they are passing the 'last bathroom for 75 miles'. |Have you thought about 'regroup points'? For example, it is unlikely |everyone will get through Kenora together, so perhaps we should |establish some rendezvous points along the way for each day? Or do |we just assume everyone will catch up? |I notice the itinerary does not allow any time for coffee breaks. Was |this done on purpose? |Alan From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 00:24:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon Apr 21 23:24:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT- shipping In-Reply-To: <3EA4C3B7.283BF3BC@interworld.net> Message-ID: <000401c3088e$e6dbf960$6400a8c0@jot> ...And they were a big sponsor of the JCNA Challenge Championship this year, that I hope everyone is attending. Mark - AZ > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:23 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT- shipping > > > For the Healey event in in Tahoe last year we shopped the > prices and went with > intercity lines. > > http://www.intercitylines.com/ > > best price, very accommodating. completely enclosed. > They picked up in San Diego orange county, irvine and west LA > and delivered all > to Tahoe. > Did the same in reverse. we filled it with 7 cars. ask for Bob. > tell him Ron Rader & Corvette Mike sent you. > ron > YMMV > > Bob wrote: > > > Ron et. al. > > > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally > thought to start > > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of > use here thinking > > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour > there and > > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on > our "negotiation > > list". Thoughts? > > > > Bob England > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > > www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > | > > |Hey Jerry: > > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > > |the lads at > > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday > night. I have not > > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co > coordinator. > > | > > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > > |Thursday the 6th > > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > > |Olivos (winery > > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > > |arrival planned for > > |between 4 and five PM. > > | > > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on > secondary roads the > > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > > |that my route > > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > > |Ron Rader > > | > > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > > |shipping my car > > |back. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 01:06:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Robert MacLeay) Date: Tue Apr 22 00:06:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/21/03 9:34 PM, Bob at engl@jonat.org wrote: > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to start > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? NO! Let's start out RESTED each morning. We've more daylight that time of year than we can use, so there's no pressure as far as arriving at our daily destinations before dark. -- Robert MacLeay Colorado Sector Coordinator JONAT 2004 "If God wanted me to be up at dawn, He would have scheduled it for later in the day." From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 01:06:15 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Tue Apr 22 00:06:15 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c30894$dd983e30$6400a8c0@jot> Another factor to consider is the temperatures. (Can you tell I'm from AZ?) If we are someplace where it is going to be hot an earlier start would be preferable. The day out of Lake Havasu City is a perfect example. I'm not sure if we are heading to LV or taking Rt. 66 to LA, but if we are going to do six hours of driving, leaving at 7:00, taking a quick mid-morning snack stop, and getting in at 1:30, then eating lunch would be very preferable to leaving at 9:30 and arriving at 4:30 or 5:00. Another thing that might be interesting would be a segment under the stars. For those of us with ragtops, and even those without, an evening drive to, say, 10:00 p.m. under a full (May 4, 2004) or nearly full moon would be an interesting change. I don't think the sun goes down until 10 p.m. in Canada around the summer solstice, so if anyone likes the idea, the best time would be earlier in the route somewhere in the south. Arizona cools off very quickly after the sun goes down and northern Arizona won't be all that hot during the day. This is the time when Arizona can be the hottest and coldest place in the country on the same day -- below freezing when the cold air rolls down from the San Francisco Peaks around Flagstaff and over 100F down in the desert the next day. However, there is one advantage to Arizona -- no daylight savings time. Perhaps we could eat dinner at the Grand Canyon, watch the sunset, and make a twilight / night run into Williams, AZ. If we left GC at 7:30, we'd be in Williams around 9:00 p.m. Just a thought. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:35 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > Ron et. al. > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally > thought to start > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use > here thinking > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our > "negotiation > list". Thoughts? > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |Hey Jerry: > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > |the lads at > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. > I have not > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co > coordinator. > | > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > |Thursday the 6th > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > |Olivos (winery > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > |arrival planned for > |between 4 and five PM. > | > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on > secondary roads the > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > |that my route > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > |Ron Rader > | > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > |shipping my car > |back. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 06:54:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Tue Apr 22 05:54:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector/Leg Start Time References: Message-ID: <011701c308c5$3674a720$6501a8c0@attbi.com> I've been setting everything to 9:00am. Of course I'm one of those that cannot sleep past 7:00am on a day off. Jamie Duffey JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Ron et. al. > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to start > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here thinking > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our "negotiation > list". Thoughts? > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |Hey Jerry: > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > |the lads at > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. > | > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > |Thursday the 6th > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > |Olivos (winery > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > |arrival planned for > |between 4 and five PM. > | > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > |that my route > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > |Ron Rader > | > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > |shipping my car > |back. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 07:03:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Tue Apr 22 06:03:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: <000501c30894$dd983e30$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <014601c308c6$8f202060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Now that's a thought. A night cruise ... hmmm. You know where I said some places were just dry and dusty with nothing to look at? Perhaps that's another option for going through those areas. And the stars should be about as clear as anywhere as these areas I have in mind are so far from city lights that you start wondering "if you'll ever get there". Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Another factor to consider is the temperatures. (Can you tell I'm from AZ?) > If we are someplace where it is going to be hot an earlier start would be > preferable. The day out of Lake Havasu City is a perfect example. I'm not > sure if we are heading to LV or taking Rt. 66 to LA, but if we are going to > do six hours of driving, leaving at 7:00, taking a quick mid-morning snack > stop, and getting in at 1:30, then eating lunch would be very preferable to > leaving at 9:30 and arriving at 4:30 or 5:00. > > Another thing that might be interesting would be a segment under the stars. > For those of us with ragtops, and even those without, an evening drive to, > say, 10:00 p.m. under a full (May 4, 2004) or nearly full moon would be an > interesting change. > > I don't think the sun goes down until 10 p.m. in Canada around the summer > solstice, so if anyone likes the idea, the best time would be earlier in the > route somewhere in the south. Arizona cools off very quickly after the sun > goes down and northern Arizona won't be all that hot during the day. This is > the time when Arizona can be the hottest and coldest place in the country on > the same day -- below freezing when the cold air rolls down from the San > Francisco Peaks around Flagstaff and over 100F down in the desert the next > day. However, there is one advantage to Arizona -- no daylight savings time. > Perhaps we could eat dinner at the Grand Canyon, watch the sunset, and make > a twilight / night run into Williams, AZ. If we left GC at 7:30, we'd be in > Williams around 9:00 p.m. > > Just a thought. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:35 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > Ron et. al. > > > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally > > thought to start > > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use > > here thinking > > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and > > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our > > "negotiation > > list". Thoughts? > > > > Bob England > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > > www.jonat.org > > > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > | > > |Hey Jerry: > > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > > |the lads at > > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. > > I have not > > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co > > coordinator. > > | > > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > > |Thursday the 6th > > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > > |Olivos (winery > > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > > |arrival planned for > > |between 4 and five PM. > > | > > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on > > secondary roads the > > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > > |that my route > > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > > |Ron Rader > > | > > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > > |shipping my car > > |back. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 12:00:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:00:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: Message-ID: <002001c308f0$9b84a2c0$77214518@oemcomputer> Bob: 8:30 is too early for a number of resosns, not the least of which is traffic in urban areas. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco : Ron et. al. : : Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to start : the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind : everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? : : And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here thinking : of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and : heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our "negotiation : list". Thoughts? : : Bob England : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) : www.jonat.org : : : : |-----Original Message----- : | : |Hey Jerry: : |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get : |the lads at : |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have not : |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co coordinator. : | : |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on : |Thursday the 6th : |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los : |Olivos (winery : |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the : |arrival planned for : |between 4 and five PM. : | : |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary roads the : |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess : |that my route : |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? : |Ron Rader : | : |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and : |shipping my car : |back. : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 12:03:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:03:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Regroup / Rendezvous Points References: Message-ID: <004601c308f1$24125e70$77214518@oemcomputer> Yes, a begining and end meeting point for each leg. Apart from that let's let people move at their own pace. It will naturally occur that people will travel in groups, but I don't think any of us wan tthe anxiety of not feeling we can stop or push on because we have to travel in a pack. And I doubt that any of us are so insecure that we need fixed meeting through the travel day. Remember: FUN, not regimentation. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: [JONAT] Regroup / Rendezvous Points : Alan : : My thoughts on rendezvous / regroup points is that we would have basically 3 : per leg. One is the starting point, the second would be lunch, and the : third being the ending point "official" hotel. There was a desire earlier : to not make the tour too regimented, so this may be enough (?). The only : "mandatory" one would be the starting point, so maps distribution / : information / etc. could take place at the start of the day. I expect there : will be groups that stop for coffee together, etc, but more on an informal : basis. Anyone have comments on this thought? : : Also, the timing for the S&T Maps is such that it allows for a 20 minute : stop in the morning and one in the afternoon, with no set place to stop. : This is set by the slower (i.e. main highways which one would normally : travel at 60 mph have been given a maximum speed of 54 mph to allow for the : stops). For more details see : http://www.jonat.org/bob/PDFMaps/TourProfileOptions.pdf. : : Bob England : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) : http://www.jonat.org : : : : |-----Original Message----- : : |I have been editing the itinerary for my sector using Adobe Acrobat. : |Once I have all the changes made, I will send you the revised pdf file. : |One thing I have added is a small blue circle at each location on the : |map where services (restroom, gas, food) can be found. I know for lots : |of sectors this would be silly, but on my sector (and Ian's) you can drive : |a long way before seeing civilization sometimes. It''ll be nice : |for people : |to know when they are passing the 'last bathroom for 75 miles'. : |Have you thought about 'regroup points'? For example, it is unlikely : |everyone will get through Kenora together, so perhaps we should : |establish some rendezvous points along the way for each day? Or do : |we just assume everyone will catch up? : |I notice the itinerary does not allow any time for coffee breaks. Was : |this done on purpose? : |Alan : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 18:37:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Tue Apr 22 17:37:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: <002001c308f0$9b84a2c0$77214518@oemcomputer> References: <002001c308f0$9b84a2c0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3490.205.200.65.82.1051040953.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Urban areas will not be a concern in most Canadian sectors east of Vancouver and west of Toronto. I work in the city and curse if I have to wait through two light changes to turn onto Hwy 8 to head home at 5 pm. What morning rush hour there is is over long before 8:30. Farming people - up at dawn. The problem with Day 2 is a LACK of urban areas. We have to travel from Winnipeg to Fort Frances in one day since the only place in between to stop is Kenora and it is only 3 hours from Winnipeg. I think an 8:30 start would make a more comfortable day since travel could be more leisurely. OTOH, it will be light until 10pm. Alan "to be up by noon is to be up too soon" - The Band. > Bob: 8:30 is too early for a number of resosns, not the least of which > is traffic in urban areas. > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:34 PM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > : Ron et. al. > : > : Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to > start : the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't > mind : everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start > time? : > : And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here > thinking : of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour > there and : heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our > "negotiation : list". Thoughts? > : > : Bob England > : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > : www.jonat.org > : > : > : > : |-----Original Message----- > : | > : |Hey Jerry: > : |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get : > |the lads at > : |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have > not : |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co > coordinator. > : | > : |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > : |Thursday the 6th > : |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > : |Olivos (winery > : |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > : |arrival planned for > : |between 4 and five PM. > : | > : |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary > roads the > : |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess : > |that my route > : |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > : |Ron Rader > : | > : |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > : |shipping my car > : |back. > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 18:53:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue Apr 22 17:53:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco In-Reply-To: <3490.205.200.65.82.1051040953.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Message-ID: I think if I take all the notes together, that the 9:30 start would be considered the norm, with earlier (or later) starts depending upon the leg being driven. (Based on breakfast at 8:30) Some early starts would be good, and the late day runs would be great too - we'll leave that to the individual coordinators discretion, but for the most part keep a 9:30 start. As Gregory noted as well - lets be flexible - if we have an early start or late start that some participants might not want to take part in, we'll have to be flexible enough to accommodate this as well. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of alan@heartfield.net |Sent: April 22, 2003 1:49 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco | | |Urban areas will not be a concern in most Canadian sectors east of |Vancouver and west of Toronto. I work in the city and curse if I have to |wait through two light changes to turn onto Hwy 8 to head home at 5 pm. |What morning rush hour there is is over long before 8:30. Farming people - |up at dawn. The problem with Day 2 is a LACK of urban areas. We have to |travel from Winnipeg to Fort Frances in one day since the only place in |between to stop is Kenora and it is only 3 hours from Winnipeg. I think |an 8:30 start would make a more comfortable day since travel could be more |leisurely. OTOH, it will be light until 10pm. | |Alan |"to be up by noon is to be up too soon" - The Band. | |> Bob: 8:30 is too early for a number of resosns, not the least of which |> is traffic in urban areas. |> Gregory |> ----- Original Message ----- |> From: "Bob" |> To: |> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:34 PM |> Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco |> |> |> : Ron et. al. |> : |> : Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to |> start : the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't |> mind : everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start |> time? : |> : And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here |> thinking : of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour |> there and : heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our |> "negotiation : list". Thoughts? |> : |> : Bob England |> : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 |> : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) |> : www.jonat.org |> : |> : |> : |> : |-----Original Message----- |> : | |> : |Hey Jerry: |> : |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get : |> |the lads at |> : |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have |> not : |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co |> coordinator. |> : | |> : |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on |> : |Thursday the 6th |> : |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los |> : |Olivos (winery |> : |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the |> : |arrival planned for |> : |between 4 and five PM. |> : | |> : |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary |> roads the |> : |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess : |> |that my route |> : |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? |> : |Ron Rader |> : | |> : |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and |> : |shipping my car |> : |back. |> : |> : _______________________________________________ |> : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |> : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |> : www.jonat.org |> : _______________________________________________ |> |> _______________________________________________ |> JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |> REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |> www.jonat.org |> _______________________________________________ | | | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 07:03:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed Apr 23 06:03:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Start Time; - JONAT - San Francisco References: <002001c308f0$9b84a2c0$77214518@oemcomputer> <3490.205.200.65.82.1051040953.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Message-ID: <02a701c30990$248f0840$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Good point Alan. But I submit that Orlando, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, SFO, Seattle, Victoria, Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, New York and Philadelphia might pose a slight problem, eh? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Urban areas will not be a concern in most Canadian sectors east of > Vancouver and west of Toronto. I work in the city and curse if I have to > wait through two light changes to turn onto Hwy 8 to head home at 5 pm. > What morning rush hour there is is over long before 8:30. Farming people - > up at dawn. The problem with Day 2 is a LACK of urban areas. We have to > travel from Winnipeg to Fort Frances in one day since the only place in > between to stop is Kenora and it is only 3 hours from Winnipeg. I think > an 8:30 start would make a more comfortable day since travel could be more > leisurely. OTOH, it will be light until 10pm. > > Alan > "to be up by noon is to be up too soon" - The Band. > > > Bob: 8:30 is too early for a number of resosns, not the least of which > > is traffic in urban areas. > > Gregory > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:34 PM > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > : Ron et. al. > > : > > : Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally thought to > > start : the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't > > mind : everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start > > time? : > > : And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use here > > thinking : of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour > > there and : heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our > > "negotiation : list". Thoughts? > > : > > : Bob England > > : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > > : www.jonat.org > > : > > : > > : > > : |-----Original Message----- > > : | > > : |Hey Jerry: > > : |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get : > > |the lads at > > : |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. I have > > not : |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co > > coordinator. > > : | > > : |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > > : |Thursday the 6th > > : |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > > : |Olivos (winery > > : |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > > : |arrival planned for > > : |between 4 and five PM. > > : | > > : |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on secondary > > roads the > > : |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess : > > |that my route > > : |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > > : |Ron Rader > > : | > > : |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > > : |shipping my car > > : |back. > > : > > : _______________________________________________ > > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > : www.jonat.org > > : _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 18:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 24 17:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <007301c305c3$bc244100$77214518@oemcomputer> <019101c30624$0f361de0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EA0D890.61A4A83@interworld.net> Message-ID: <008d01c30ab6$de861280$bb148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C30B0A.AFB1CEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds good to me! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Guys:=20 I am using the dates provided by you.=20 May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do = have an Idea).=20 May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? Local = Rally during the day?=20 all with the local clubs.=20 May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. = these will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner = probably in co ordination with XK's Unlimited.=20 May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!!=20 =20 =20 Jamie - JONAT wrote:=20 Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector = fairly soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty = close to having just that information. One slight problem is that I do = not have an Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly = when they will be turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of = waiting, I'm planning on routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I = still would like to know if we have someone in Northern California = though to hook up with at that point. If not, once I get the routing = through Oregon and Washington done, the person between Ron and Oregon = will be pretty locked in on the time available for them to run the route = and places to see. Sorry about that but we must move forward, right? = Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do you know which day = you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your side trip? Or = Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to be at the = most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey=20 JONAT Executive Committee=20 http://www.jonat.org/=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point = out that the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show = on Saturday the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night = before, or very close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition = this is the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver = should be done BY Friday (Friday evening will be a worse than usual = traffic period). Monday the 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a = remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), but we should be on our way = to Penticton by then, and there won't be any real problem. But we = here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon. = Gregory=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the = computer and is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking = to it!). It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to = de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for = discussion.On the schedule, there is three days for sure in your sector. = You will see the pink days on the itinerary = athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for days. I have = left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector = itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very = clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be = given the extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on = the itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking = with pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This = means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. = You can see that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have = in place the number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so = everyone downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their = area. I hope this is a little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess = what I need to stress is that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and = also the times to traverse the Sectors need to be set in the not to = distant future.Bob England=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill=20 Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE=20 =20 Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is = fine, but the times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual = punishment. It is my understanding that the participants would have = several days in this area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van = Dusen show). Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities = are bizarre and will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we = are working here under the assumption that there will be a few days at = least in this area. It is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler = in the morning and to be on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. = People must be in Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the = issue right now, but only the route, then the general route is fine. We = have been working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth = doing: the wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No = one is going to want to drive day after day. Comment? = Gregory=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, = perhaps I could ask a favour (or two). I would like you all to check out = the route map for your sector = athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me with your = comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, please get = me at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, please = update me with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an = acceptable comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or = Sunday. Either send your comments through this list, or to me directly = at engl@jonat.org.If you can't get something together by then, please = just let me know.-- AND THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me = on the planning you have done, any committee setups, etc.As a final = request, if anyone is planning on attending the Vandusen All British = Field Meet in Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for = brief introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / dinner / or = a pint). If you are planning on attending, please let me know.Bob = Englandwww.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C30B0A.AFB1CEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds good to me!
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = JONAT
Administrator,=20 ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron Rader=20
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 = 3:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE

Guys:
I am using the dates provided by you.=20

May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i = do have=20 an Idea).=20

May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & = Dinner?  Local=20 Rally during the day?
    all with the local clubs. =

May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and = 101. these=20 will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in = co=20 ordination with XK's Unlimited.=20

May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!!
  =
 =20

Jamie - JONAT wrote:=20

Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the = Seattle=20 sector fairly soon.- - - - - -=20 - - - - - - - Hint, hint=20 ... Actually = I'm pretty=20 close to having just that information.  One slight problem is = that I do=20 not have an Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know = exactly when=20 they will be turning the "bunch" over to me.  So in lieu of = waiting,=20 I'm planning on routing out the Oregon coast for the run.  I = still=20 would like to know if we have someone in Northern California though = to hook=20 up with at that point.  If not, once I get the routing through = Oregon=20 and Washington done, the person between Ron and Oregon will be = pretty locked=20 in on the time available for them to run the route and places to=20 see. Sorry = about that but=20 we must move forward, right? Michael?  You and Ron have been talking right?  = Do you=20 know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of = your=20 side trip? Or = Ron? =20 Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to be at the = most=20 Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey =
JONAT=20 Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Friday, April 18, = 2003 9:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 Bob:=20 thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out = that the=20 Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on = Saturday the=20 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or = very=20 close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the = Victoria=20 Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY = Friday=20 (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday = the=20 24th is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen = Victoria's=20 birthday), but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and = there=20 won't be any real problem.    But we here = have to know=20 dates from the Seattle sector fairly soon.          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =         =20 Gregory=20
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Bob
Sent: Friday, April 18, = 2003 7:12=20 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] = JONAT SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by = the computer=20 and is a little retentive.  (That's my story and I'm = sticking to=20 it!).  It may be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your = team to=20 de-gruelize it - keep in mind it's only a starting point for=20 discussion.On the schedule, = there is three=20 days for sure in your sector.  You will see the pink days = on the=20 itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for = days.  I=20 have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or = your=20 Sector itself for that matter) needs them.  My pink note = might not=20 be very clear, but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, = they=20 would be given the extra day, and that means one less pink day = in your=20 area on the itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are = linking with=20 pre-planned events.  One in your Sector, and one in = Phoenix. =20 This means we have to be quite disciplined in our time per = Sector=20 scheduling. You can = see that=20 it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place = the=20 number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone=20 downstream of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their=20 area. I hope this is a = little more=20 clear (as mud I suppose!).  I guess what I need to stress = is that=20 all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to = traverse=20 the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant=20 future.Bob = England=20
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.= net]On=20 Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy = Gill
Subject:=20 Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE = NOTE=20
 
Bob: = regarding the=20 Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the times = and=20 schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual=20 punishment.     It is my understanding that = the=20 participants would have several days in this area, from the = 16th of=20 May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). Furthermore, the = actual=20 directions given within the cities are bizarre and will have = to be=20 changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here under = the=20 assumption that there will be a few days at least in this = area. It is=20 not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning = and to be=20 on the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in = Vancouver the night before. If the timing is not the issue = right now,=20 but only the route, then the general route is fine. We have = been=20 working on optional daytrips around this area (well worth = doing: the=20 wine country, over to the wild Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one = is=20 going to want to drive day after day. = Comment?          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;    =20 Gregory=20
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April = 17, 2003=20 5:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] = JONAT SECTOR=20 COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE
 Hello guys !Lest you relax too = much this=20 long weekend, perhaps I could ask a favour (or=20 two). I would like you = all to check=20 out the route map for your sector = athttp://jonat.org/bob/JO= NAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me = with your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a = map there,=20 please get me at least a preliminary=20 route.If you do have a = map there,=20 please update me with your comments and/or route changes = ("No=20 changes" is an acceptable = comment).I would like to get = your=20 comments by Saturday or Sunday.  Either send your = comments=20 through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.If you can't get = something=20 together by then, please just let me = know.--  AND = THERE's MORE=20 ---Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you = have=20 done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, = if anyone=20 is planning on attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet = in=20 Vancouver next month, perhaps we could get together for = brief=20 introduction and discussions (over breakfast / lunch / = dinner / or a=20 pint).  If you are planning on attending, please let me = know.Bob=20 Englandwww.jonat.org
= ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C30B0A.AFB1CEF0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 18:16:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 24 17:16:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <000d01c30651$f4abe710$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <009501c30ab7$810f91c0$bb148890@FAZAL> FWIW, I always thought we would continuously 'dribble' in comments/e-bites about JONAT into as many lists as possible. To arouse interest and, hopefully, people would use the link provided in the sig line. However, Mark's suggestion also has merit and we should all be doing something similar. In fact, I put a link on all my sigs, now, and they go on every e-mail I send out. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > We've decided that JONAT can post in the pub. The problem with posting to > the individual lists is that they are supposed to be for items relating to > the vehicles in question. People outside the U.S. (other than Fazal) > probably are not going to care to much about it. > > Here's something everyone could do, and stay within the rules. There is > nothing wrong with having a signature that include a few lines like your > cars, your club, your business, etc. > > Create a signature along the lines of: > > Ron Rader, So. Cal. Coordinator > Jaguar Owners North American Tour, http://jonat.org > Join our ongoing discussions in the Pub Forum > > The idea is to squeeze as much in about three or four lines as you can. > > Then we all need to sign up for the Pub. If we start discussing things > there, people will have some input and a reason to follow the progress. > > Mark (signing up for the pub right now.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:05 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages? > i am a member of the E group. > I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. > Ron Rader wrote: > Guys: > I am using the dates provided by you. > May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do have > an Idea). > May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? Local Rally > during the day? > all with the local clubs. > May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. these > will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in co > ordination with XK's Unlimited. > May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!! > > > Jamie - JONAT wrote: > Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly > soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to > having just that information. One slight problem is that I do not have an > Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will > be turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on > routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I still would like to know if we > have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that point. > If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the > person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time available > for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must > move forward, right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do you > know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your > side trip? Or Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you are planning to > be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey > JONAT Executive Committee > http://www.jonat.org/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From:Dr Gregory Andrachuk > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out that > the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on Saturday > the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or very > close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the Victoria > Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday > (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the 24th > is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), > but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any > real problem. But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector > fairly soon. Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From:Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer and > is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!). It may > be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in > mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the schedule, there is > three days for sure in your sector. You will see the pink days on the > itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for days. > I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your Sector > itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very clear, > but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the > extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the > itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with > pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means we > have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can see > that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the > number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream > of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a > little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need to stress is > that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse > the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk > Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but the > times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment. It > is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this > area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). > Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and > will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here > under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. It > is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be on > the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the > night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the route, > then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips > around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild > Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. > Comment? Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From:Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM > Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask a > favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your > sector athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me with your > comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, please get me > at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, please update me > with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable > comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either > send your comments through this list, or to me directly at engl@jonat.org.If > you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.-- AND > THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have > done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, if anyone is planning on > attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, > perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over > breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on attending, > please let me know.Bob Englandwww.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 18:27:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 24 17:27:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT --> FW: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth Annual Jag-Lovers Picnic References: Message-ID: <00a701c30ab9$07bab550$bb148890@FAZAL> What a good idea! And, if it works out, the picnic could become another 'linchpin' that the JONAT hangs on. So far, we have the picnic and the Van D rally as centrepoints. I'm sure more will emerge as the planning progresses. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 2:15 AM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT --> FW: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth Annual Jag-Lovers Picnic > Steve - This Jag-Lovers picnic is up in your neck of the woods. If they > could have this event a few weeks later in 2004, maybe we could link up with > this event. Do you want to make some preliminary contacts with this group ? > > Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-pub@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-pub@jag-lovers.org]On > |Behalf Of Mike Eck > |Sent: April 19, 2003 10:02 AM > |To: xk@jag-lovers.org > |Subject: [pub] You're invited to the Fourth Annual Jag-Lovers Picnic > | > | > |Dear Fellow Jag-Lovers, > | > |As the last of the snow finally disappears from the roadsides and the days > |get longer and warmer, it's easier to think about driving Jaguars and > |meeting other Jag-Lovers. And what better place than at the Fourth Annual > |Jag-Lovers Picnic. This is one event that anyone within driving distance > |should be sure to attend; ask anyone who had been to one before. > | > |Those of you who have had the privilege of meeting your fellow Jag-Lovers > |face-to-face know that it's a lot of fun, sort of like meeting an > |old friend > |for the first time. That's the idea behind the Jag-Lovers picnic. > | > |Three years ago I had the idea of inviting the friends we've made on the > |internet lists to come to a picnic in New Jersey so we could get together > |for an afternoon and swap stories and admire cars. I figured maybe a dozen > |nearby people would show up. > | > |As it turned out, about 80 people came from many different states. The > |Cunninghams came down from upstate Vermont in their '52 XK120, the Kruegers > |drove in from Michigan in their '140 DHC, there were people from Florida, > |Ohio, Virginia, Georgia, and all points in between. Needless to say we had > |a great time and it has since become an annual event. > | > |Remember, this is not a car show (although I imagine there will be quite a > |few Jaguars there), it is a gathering of like-minded individuals getting > |together in person to share the camaraderie that was started on > |these lists. > |We have private picnic grounds, an all-you-can-eat picnic lunch, door > |prizes, a 30 mile run through the back roads, and a lot of friendly people > |having a good time. Bringing a Jaguar is not necessary; many people bring > |pictures of their work-in-progress. > | > |On Saturday night the locals get together at the picnic grounds with the > |out-of-town Jag-Lovers and leave for supper at 6:00, then return afterwards > |for the June edition of our famous "First Tuesday" meeting (see the writeup > |in the March 2002 edition of Porter's "XK Gazette"). We sit around, drink > |beer, swap lies, admire cars, share pictures and videos, and generally have > |a great time, extending far into the night. > | > |There is more information in the International Events Calendar at > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/events/event_view.php3?id=280 > | > |There is a write-up and slide show about the previous picnic at... > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/modern/picnic02/ > | > |Here are some pictures and impressions from previous events.... > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1031013635 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=991793675 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=991793060 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=960585374 > |http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=960295791 > |http://www.angelfire.com/de/ffce/picnic.html > | > | > |So mark June 1 on your calendars, and then drop me an email > |(MikeEck@optonline.net ) to let me know you're coming so I can make sure we > |have enough food! I'll also put you on the mailing list for directions and > |other information. > | > |Hope to see you all there! > | > |Mike Eck > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 18:29:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 24 17:29:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: Message-ID: <00bc01c30ab9$3a7eec90$bb148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C30B0D.0BD86FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton = has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. Welcome = Jerry! ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C30B0D.0BD86FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hello again guys !  I thought I would let you know that=20 Jerry Mouton has volunteered = to be=20 Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco.  Welcome=20 Jerry!
------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C30B0D.0BD86FC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 18:48:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 24 17:48:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco References: <000501c30894$dd983e30$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <012601c30abb$ec0be330$bb148890@FAZAL> A nice variation to the routine. I'd say go with it! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > Another factor to consider is the temperatures. (Can you tell I'm from AZ?) > If we are someplace where it is going to be hot an earlier start would be > preferable. The day out of Lake Havasu City is a perfect example. I'm not > sure if we are heading to LV or taking Rt. 66 to LA, but if we are going to > do six hours of driving, leaving at 7:00, taking a quick mid-morning snack > stop, and getting in at 1:30, then eating lunch would be very preferable to > leaving at 9:30 and arriving at 4:30 or 5:00. > > Another thing that might be interesting would be a segment under the stars. > For those of us with ragtops, and even those without, an evening drive to, > say, 10:00 p.m. under a full (May 4, 2004) or nearly full moon would be an > interesting change. > > I don't think the sun goes down until 10 p.m. in Canada around the summer > solstice, so if anyone likes the idea, the best time would be earlier in the > route somewhere in the south. Arizona cools off very quickly after the sun > goes down and northern Arizona won't be all that hot during the day. This is > the time when Arizona can be the hottest and coldest place in the country on > the same day -- below freezing when the cold air rolls down from the San > Francisco Peaks around Flagstaff and over 100F down in the desert the next > day. However, there is one advantage to Arizona -- no daylight savings time. > Perhaps we could eat dinner at the Grand Canyon, watch the sunset, and make > a twilight / night run into Williams, AZ. If we left GC at 7:30, we'd be in > Williams around 9:00 p.m. > > Just a thought. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 8:35 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: JONAT - San Francisco > > > > > > Ron et. al. > > > > Just a quick note on one of your items. We had generally > > thought to start > > the Tour each morning about 9:30 (after breakfast). Wouldn't mind > > everyone's comments on this - is 9:00 or 8:30 a better start time? > > > > And a note on another of your items. There are a few of use > > here thinking > > of shipping the cars to Vancouver, then picking up the tour there and > > heading east. Maybe we should add a shipping company on our > > "negotiation > > list". Thoughts? > > > > Bob England > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > > www.jonat.org > > > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > | > > |Hey Jerry: > > |I am doing the section from LA to SLO. I would think we could get > > |the lads at > > |XKs Unlimited to have some kind of dinner on Thursday night. > > I have not > > |contacted them since I am leaving that up to the SF co > > coordinator. > > | > > |We will be all day in LA on Wednesday the 5th. Leaving LA on > > |Thursday the 6th > > |between 8.30 and 9.00 AM (I don't know yet) and driving to Los > > |Olivos (winery > > |area) for lunch at one of the wineries. Then to SLO with the > > |arrival planned for > > |between 4 and five PM. > > | > > |I am planning that the roads from LA to SLO will be on > > secondary roads the > > |entire way. The map book says about 204 miles buy I would guess > > |that my route > > |would be closer to 250 miles. Thoughts? Comments? > > |Ron Rader > > | > > |FYI: I am planning on driving from Las Vegas to Vancouver and > > |shipping my car > > |back. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 21:21:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu Apr 24 20:21:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <000d01c30651$f4abe710$6400a8c0@jot> <009501c30ab7$810f91c0$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <04f301c30ad1$27a87560$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Yeah, I thought you'd show off that you'd show off that "title" of yours some more! Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > FWIW, I always thought we would continuously 'dribble' in comments/e-bites > about JONAT into as many lists as possible. To arouse interest and, > hopefully, people would use the link provided in the sig line. > However, Mark's suggestion also has merit and we should all be doing > something similar. In fact, I put a link on all my sigs, now, and they go on > every e-mail I send out. > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, JONAT > Administrator, ISC > ISC - Australia > www.jonat.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:59 PM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > > We've decided that JONAT can post in the pub. The problem with posting to > > the individual lists is that they are supposed to be for items relating to > > the vehicles in question. People outside the U.S. (other than Fazal) > > probably are not going to care to much about it. > > > > Here's something everyone could do, and stay within the rules. There is > > nothing wrong with having a signature that include a few lines like your > > cars, your club, your business, etc. > > > > Create a signature along the lines of: > > > > Ron Rader, So. Cal. Coordinator > > Jaguar Owners North American Tour, http://jonat.org > > Join our ongoing discussions in the Pub Forum > > > > The idea is to squeeze as much in about three or four lines as you can. > > > > Then we all need to sign up for the Pub. If we start discussing things > > there, people will have some input and a reason to follow the progress. > > > > Mark (signing up for the pub right now.) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Ron Rader > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:05 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > > > > Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages? > > i am a member of the E group. > > I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. > > Ron Rader wrote: > > Guys: > > I am using the dates provided by you. > > May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do have > > an Idea). > > May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? Local Rally > > during the day? > > all with the local clubs. > > May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. these > > will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in co > > ordination with XK's Unlimited. > > May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!! > > > > > > Jamie - JONAT wrote: > > Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector fairly > > soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close to > > having just that information. One slight problem is that I do not have an > > Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they will > > be turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning on > > routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I still would like to know if > we > > have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that point. > > If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the > > person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time > available > > for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we must > > move forward, right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do > you > > know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of your > > side trip? Or Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you are planning > to > > be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey > > JONAT Executive Committee > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:Dr Gregory Andrachuk > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out > that > > the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on Saturday > > the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or very > > close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the Victoria > > Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY Friday > > (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the > 24th > > is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's birthday), > > but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any > > real problem. But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector > > fairly soon. > Gregory > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:Bob > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer > and > > is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!). It may > > be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep in > > mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the schedule, there is > > three days for sure in your sector. You will see the pink days on the > > itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for days. > > I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your > Sector > > itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very clear, > > but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the > > extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the > > itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with > > pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means > we > > have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can > see > > that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the > > number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone downstream > > of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is a > > little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need to stress is > > that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to traverse > > the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > > Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk > > Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but > the > > times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment. > It > > is my understanding that the participants would have several days in this > > area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). > > Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre and > > will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here > > under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this area. > It > > is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be > on > > the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver the > > night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the > route, > > then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional daytrips > > around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild > > Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. > > Comment? Gregory > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:Bob > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM > > Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could ask > a > > favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for your > > sector athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me with your > > comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, please get > me > > at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, please update me > > with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable > > comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. Either > > send your comments through this list, or to me directly at > engl@jonat.org.If > > you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.-- AND > > THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have > > done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, if anyone is planning > on > > attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, > > perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions (over > > breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on > attending, > > please let me know.Bob Englandwww.jonat.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 23:46:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu Apr 24 22:46:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE In-Reply-To: <009501c30ab7$810f91c0$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <000201c30ae5$916af400$6400a8c0@jot> Don't forget my other suggestion. Right now the Pub is pretty dead. We were seriously considering eliminating it because of the paucity of posts. In the olden pre-forum days, I'd have never suggested this, because no one would know that there was anything going on unless they were already $ubscribed. But, with the forums, $ubscribers hit that first page and can take a look at the activity across all the lists. If the Pub keeps up near the top of the list, people will begin to wonder what's happening there. If people think this is a good idea, I think we should keep everything under a single subject -- JONAT planning. We won't have control over how everyone else posts, but we can channel it. That way as people come on board they can follow the thread back to the beginning. If that becomes unwieldy because of a massive flood of input, we can break it down into sectors, as in "JONAT planning, Arizona." If we get to that stage, we'll have reached critical mass and there should be e-mails flying everywhere about the trip. If we did that, we should add "Visit the Pub for route discussions" to everyone's signatures. (Four lines is best if you can squeeze it in -- see my signature below.) That way we'd be continually directing people to the ongoing discussions. The web site is excellent, too, but it's a bit like a static display of stuffed animals vs. seeing them develop in the wild. We'd still have our list to discuss suggestions and handle administrative decisions behind the scenes, a lot like the workers list that the admins use on Jag-Lovers. But for the public stuff, utilizing the Pub and putting the discussion in front of potentially 15,000 Jag-Lovers could not but help. I really think we should all subscribe to the Pub and take the route discussions there. We have many of the routes roughed out and the input of some outsiders for some of the finishing touches might give us some good ideas, but additionally, it will let those people feel as if they have contributed. Once you contribute to something like this, you are more inclined to be involved with the end result. We might even pull in some SCs for the missing sections if there are any left. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 23:48:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Apr 24 22:48:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE References: <000d01c30651$f4abe710$6400a8c0@jot> <009501c30ab7$810f91c0$bb148890@FAZAL> <04f301c30ad1$27a87560$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <032901c30ae5$e0d882a0$bb148890@FAZAL> Actually, I should also add 'Rt. Hon.' but modesty prevented me. F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Yeah, I thought you'd show off that you'd show off that "title" of yours > some more! > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fazal Cader" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > > FWIW, I always thought we would continuously 'dribble' in comments/e-bites > > about JONAT into as many lists as possible. To arouse interest and, > > hopefully, people would use the link provided in the sig line. > > However, Mark's suggestion also has merit and we should all be doing > > something similar. In fact, I put a link on all my sigs, now, and they go > on > > every e-mail I send out. > > > > Fazal Cader > > Executive Committee, JONAT > > Administrator, ISC > > ISC - Australia > > www.jonat.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Stephenson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:59 PM > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > > > > > We've decided that JONAT can post in the pub. The problem with posting > to > > > the individual lists is that they are supposed to be for items relating > to > > > the vehicles in question. People outside the U.S. (other than Fazal) > > > probably are not going to care to much about it. > > > > > > Here's something everyone could do, and stay within the rules. There is > > > nothing wrong with having a signature that include a few lines like your > > > cars, your club, your business, etc. > > > > > > Create a signature along the lines of: > > > > > > Ron Rader, So. Cal. Coordinator > > > Jaguar Owners North American Tour, http://jonat.org > > > Join our ongoing discussions in the Pub Forum > > > > > > The idea is to squeeze as much in about three or four lines as you can. > > > > > > Then we all need to sign up for the Pub. If we start discussing things > > > there, people will have some input and a reason to follow the progress. > > > > > > Mark (signing up for the pub right now.) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > > > Behalf Of Ron Rader > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:05 PM > > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > > > > > > > Is there any reason that we cannot promote this on the Jag lovers pages? > > > i am a member of the E group. > > > I need some help and also from the local Jag clubs and Jag dealers. > > > Ron Rader wrote: > > > Guys: > > > I am using the dates provided by you. > > > May 4th Las Vegas to LA: all day, mostly all back roads TBD (but i do > have > > > an Idea). > > > May 5th LA to LA: Peterson Automotive Museum tour & Dinner? Local Rally > > > during the day? > > > all with the local clubs. > > > May 6th LA to SLO: via secondary roads. including Highway 1 and 101. > these > > > will be breathtaking routes with lunch at a winery. Dinner probably in > co > > > ordination with XK's Unlimited. > > > May 7th SLO to big Sur, monterey ??? via Highway 1!! > > > > > > > > > Jamie - JONAT wrote: > > > Gregory said:But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector > fairly > > > soon.- - - - - - - - - - - - - Hint, hint ... Actually I'm pretty close > to > > > having just that information. One slight problem is that I do not have > an > > > Oregon person to link up with yet, so I do not know exactly when they > will > > > be turning the "bunch" over to me. So in lieu of waiting, I'm planning > on > > > routing out the Oregon coast for the run. I still would like to know if > > we > > > have someone in Northern California though to hook up with at that > point. > > > If not, once I get the routing through Oregon and Washington done, the > > > person between Ron and Oregon will be pretty locked in on the time > > available > > > for them to run the route and places to see. Sorry about that but we > must > > > move forward, right? Michael? You and Ron have been talking right? Do > > you > > > know which day you are figuring on being in the San Francisco end of > your > > > side trip? Or Ron? Do you have a day selected for when you are planning > > to > > > be at the most Northern end of your Sector? Jamie Duffey > > > JONAT Executive Committee > > > http://www.jonat.org/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From:Dr Gregory Andrachuk > > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > Bob: thanks for the clarification, and I would just like to point out > > that > > > the Vancouver section *must* coincide with the Van Dusen show on > Saturday > > > the 22 of May; cars will have to be IN Vancouver the night before, or > very > > > close by to be on the field before 10 AM. In addition this is the > Victoria > > > Day weekend in Canada, so the entry to Vancouver should be done BY > Friday > > > (Friday evening will be a worse than usual traffic period). Monday the > > 24th > > > is actually Victoria Day (ie, a remembrance of Queen Victoria's > birthday), > > > but we should be on our way to Penticton by then, and there won't be any > > > real problem. But we here have to know dates from the Seattle sector > > > fairly soon. > > Gregory > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From:Bob > > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:12 AM > > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > GregoryThe gruelling, up to the minute schedule, is set by the computer > > and > > > is a little retentive. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!). It > may > > > be gruelling, but I'll leave you and your team to de-gruelize it - keep > in > > > mind it's only a starting point for discussion.On the schedule, there is > > > three days for sure in your sector. You will see the pink days on the > > > itinerary athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdfare unspoken for > days. > > > I have left in as a float in case any Sector upstream of you (or your > > Sector > > > itself for that matter) needs them. My pink note might not be very > clear, > > > but the intent is if anyone upstream needs them, they would be given the > > > extra day, and that means one less pink day in your area on the > > > itinerary.Right now we have two points on the Tour that are linking with > > > pre-planned events. One in your Sector, and one in Phoenix. This means > > we > > > have to be quite disciplined in our time per Sector scheduling. You can > > see > > > that it is therefore important that everyone needs to have in place the > > > number of days to cross their sector in place soon, so everyone > downstream > > > of them knows the actual dates of the Tour in their area. I hope this is > a > > > little more clear (as mud I suppose!). I guess what I need to stress is > > > that all Sectors need to be de-gruellified, and also the times to > traverse > > > the Sectors need to be set in the not to distant future.Bob England > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > > > Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk > > > Sent: April 17, 2003 6:46 PM > > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > Cc: Doug Ingram; David and Barbara Cooke; Roy Gill > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > Bob: regarding the Victoria-Vancouver segment: the routing is fine, but > > the > > > times and schedule present a grueling, cruel and unusual punishment. > > It > > > is my understanding that the participants would have several days in > this > > > area, from the 16th of May to the 22nd (for the Van Dusen show). > > > Furthermore, the actual directions given within the cities are bizarre > and > > > will have to be changed. So: the route is fine, but we are working here > > > under the assumption that there will be a few days at least in this > area. > > It > > > is not possible, for example, to leave Whistler in the morning and to be > > on > > > the Van Dusen field in time for the show. People must be in Vancouver > the > > > night before. If the timing is not the issue right now, but only the > > route, > > > then the general route is fine. We have been working on optional > daytrips > > > around this area (well worth doing: the wine country, over to the wild > > > Pacific at Tofino, etc). No one is going to want to drive day after day. > > > Comment? Gregory > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From:Bob > > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:05 PM > > > Subject: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > > > Hello guys !Lest you relax too much this long weekend, perhaps I could > ask > > a > > > favour (or two). I would like you all to check out the route map for > your > > > sector athttp://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htmand update me with your > > > comments by Saturday or Sunday.If you don't have a map there, please get > > me > > > at least a preliminary route.If you do have a map there, please update > me > > > with your comments and/or route changes ("No changes" is an acceptable > > > comment).I would like to get your comments by Saturday or Sunday. > Either > > > send your comments through this list, or to me directly at > > engl@jonat.org.If > > > you can't get something together by then, please just let me know.-- > AND > > > THERE's MORE ---Perhaps also you can update me on the planning you have > > > done, any committee setups, etc.As a final request, if anyone is > planning > > on > > > attending the Vandusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver next month, > > > perhaps we could get together for brief introduction and discussions > (over > > > breakfast / lunch / dinner / or a pint). If you are planning on > > attending, > > > please let me know.Bob Englandwww.jonat.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 00:53:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Thu Apr 24 23:53:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: <00bc01c30ab9$3a7eec90$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <01de01c30aee$d134d2a0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C30AB4.2435C300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful event. I have not really started planning the SF leg yet,=20 but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some really great roads through the coast range. =20 So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little=20 mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive,=20 then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again,=20 then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valley = by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via roads TBD. =20 That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton = has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. Welcome = Jerry! ------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C30AB4.2435C300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great to be on the team -- this is = going to be a=20 wonderful
event.
 
I have not really started planning the = SF leg yet,=20
but my thoughts are to mix it up a = little. =20 The original
plan is coastline all the way pretty = much, but we=20 have some really great
roads through the coast range.  =
 
So my thought would be dinner at SLO,=20 then
Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a = little=20
mountain run to see Mission San Antonio = de Pauda,=20 which is the
only California Mission still out in = its natural=20 habitat, no town.
 
To San Francisco through the redwood = forests and=20 skyline drive,
then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, = coastline=20 again,
then to Santa Rosa.  Napa Valley = the next day,=20 then maybe up Napa Valley
by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another = town=20 (depending) via
roads TBD. 
 
That way it's not just ocean on the = left every=20 day.
 
Or whatever turns out to be = best.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 = 4:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

Good on you, mate!
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee,=20 JONAT
Administrator, ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 = 4:31=20 AM
Subject: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

Hello again guys !  I thought I would let you know = that=20 Jerry Mouton has = volunteered to be=20 Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco.  Welcome=20 = Jerry!
= ------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C30AB4.2435C300-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 01:16:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Fri Apr 25 00:16:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: <00bc01c30ab9$3a7eec90$bb148890@FAZAL> <01de01c30aee$d134d2a0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <3EA8D3FC.2035D1C@interworld.net> --------------AE073719F2B207527549702E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds great. Mount Tam, I love Stinson beach that little Czech restaurant..... the walk out to the ocean...... SoCal Ron Jerry Mouton wrote: > So my thought would be dinner at SLO, thenHwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a > littlemountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is theonly > California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To San Francisco > through the redwood forests and skyline drive,then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson > Beach, coastline again,then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then > maybe up Napa Valleyby Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) > viaroads TBD. That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever > turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez > les bons temps rouler!" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fazal Cader > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, JONAT > Administrator, ISC > ISC - Australia > www.jonat.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM > Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know > that Jerry Mouton has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator > for the San Francisco. Welcome Jerry! > --------------AE073719F2B207527549702E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds great.
Mount Tam,
I love Stinson beach

that little Czech restaurant.....
the walk out to the ocean......

SoCal Ron

Jerry Mouton wrote:

 So my thought would be dinner at SLO, thenHwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a littlemountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is theonly California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive,then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again,then to Santa Rosa.  Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valleyby Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) viaroads TBD. That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR
 Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, JONAT
Administrator, ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM
Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR
 Hello again guys !  I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco.  Welcome Jerry!
--------------AE073719F2B207527549702E-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 09:02:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 08:02:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: <00bc01c30ab9$3a7eec90$bb148890@FAZAL> <01de01c30aee$d134d2a0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <3EA8D3FC.2035D1C@interworld.net> Message-ID: <051f01c30b33$00659200$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_051C_01C30AF8.4BE87AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree Jerry. It does sound great. Now we just need to get our = routing to Bob so he can feed the web site with it. (I'm guilty of = procrastination myself) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR sounds great.=20 Mount Tam,=20 I love Stinson beach=20 that little Czech restaurant.....=20 the walk out to the ocean......=20 SoCal Ron=20 Jerry Mouton wrote:=20 So my thought would be dinner at SLO, thenHwy 1 up through Big Sur, = maybe a littlemountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is = theonly California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To = San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive,then maybe = Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again,then to Santa Rosa. Napa = Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valleyby Clear Lake then to = Eureka or another town (depending) viaroads TBD. That way it's not just = ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry = Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!"=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader=20 Executive Committee, JONAT=20 Administrator, ISC=20 ISC - Australia=20 www.jonat.org=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry = Mouton has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. = Welcome Jerry! ------=_NextPart_000_051C_01C30AF8.4BE87AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree Jerry.  It does sound = great.  Now=20 we just need to get our routing to Bob so he can feed the web site with=20 it.  (I'm guilty of procrastination myself)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron Rader=20
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 = 11:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

sounds great.
Mount Tam,
I love Stinson beach=20

that little Czech restaurant.....
the walk out to the = ocean......=20

SoCal Ron=20

Jerry Mouton wrote:=20

 So my thought would be dinner at SLO, = thenHwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a=20 littlemountain run = to see=20 Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is theonly California Mission still out in = its natural=20 habitat, no town. To San=20 Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline = drive,then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, = coastline=20 again,then to Santa = Rosa. =20 Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa = Valleyby Clear Lake then to Eureka or another = town=20 (depending) viaroads=20 TBD. That way = it's not=20 just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
Sent: Thursday, April 24, = 2003 4:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO=20 SECTOR COORDINATOR
 Good on you,=20 mate! Fazal=20 Cader
Executive=20 Committee, JONAT
Administrator, ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org=20
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Bob
Sent: Monday, April 21, = 2003 4:31=20 AM
Subject: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO=20 SECTOR COORDINATOR
 Hello again guys = !  I=20 thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton has=20 volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San = Francisco. =20 Welcome=20 Jerry!
------=_NextPart_000_051C_01C30AF8.4BE87AC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 09:17:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 08:17:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub References: <000201c30ae5$916af400$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <052d01c30b35$21f23700$6501a8c0@attbi.com> So what do you all think? I find myself in concensus with much of what Mark says. My only concern is we started this "mail list" to help capture all conversations regarding JONAT, to be used for future reference if/when needed as it does create an Archive. If there is a way we can get our SCs to enter in each address, pub@jag-lovers.org and jonat@autox.team.net when or if they begin a new thread. Then everyone needs to use the "reply all" button when commenting. Unfortunately as we are all human, (well, most of us - grin) I do not expect that to be enforceable and I'd be a bit afraid of taking some of the fun out of the Tour prep if we get too structured (or anal). But perhaps we need to have some structure at the SC level at least. That way two important goals are met ... the archiving of Tour discussions and the visibility on the Pub. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT SECTOR COORDINATORS - PLEASE NOTE > Don't forget my other suggestion. Right now the Pub is pretty dead. We were > seriously considering eliminating it because of the paucity of posts. In the > olden pre-forum days, I'd have never suggested this, because no one would > know that there was anything going on unless they were already $ubscribed. > But, with the forums, $ubscribers hit that first page and can take a look at > the activity across all the lists. If the Pub keeps up near the top of the > list, people will begin to wonder what's happening there. > > If people think this is a good idea, I think we should keep everything under > a single subject -- JONAT planning. We won't have control over how everyone > else posts, but we can channel it. That way as people come on board they can > follow the thread back to the beginning. If that becomes unwieldy because of > a massive flood of input, we can break it down into sectors, as in "JONAT > planning, Arizona." If we get to that stage, we'll have reached critical > mass and there should be e-mails flying everywhere about the trip. > > If we did that, we should add "Visit the Pub for route discussions" to > everyone's signatures. > > (Four lines is best if you can squeeze it in -- see my signature below.) > > That way we'd be continually directing people to the ongoing discussions. > The web site is excellent, too, but it's a bit like a static display of > stuffed animals vs. seeing them develop in the wild. > > We'd still have our list to discuss suggestions and handle administrative > decisions behind the scenes, a lot like the workers list that the admins use > on Jag-Lovers. But for the public stuff, utilizing the Pub and putting the > discussion in front of potentially 15,000 Jag-Lovers could not but help. > > I really think we should all subscribe to the Pub and take the route > discussions there. We have many of the routes roughed out and the input of > some outsiders for some of the finishing touches might give us some good > ideas, but additionally, it will let those people feel as if they have > contributed. Once you contribute to something like this, you are more > inclined to be involved with the end result. > > We might even pull in some SCs for the missing sections if there are any > left. > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > Visit the Pub for route discussions > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 09:31:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Fri Apr 25 08:31:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR In-Reply-To: <01de01c30aee$d134d2a0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <001b01c30b37$36cac0f0$6400a8c0@jot> That reminds me, has the mythic Mulholland Drive been included on our trip through LA? After Rt. 66, that has to be one of the most famous stretches of blacktop in the country. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful event. I have not really started planning the SF leg yet, but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some really great roads through the coast range. So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive, then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again, then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valley by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via roads TBD. That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. Welcome Jerry! From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 09:47:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 08:47:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: <001b01c30b37$36cac0f0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <057901c30b39$2882ad80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Good put ... Ron? Mulholland Drive? Or is that Jerry's area? Umph, I just realized I don't even know what part of CA that's in. I never gave it much thought before, I just accepted it in all the movies I've ever watched! Hey, maybe it's only a sound stage like the one theory of the moonwalk? Who's got some of Route 66 in their Sector? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > That reminds me, has the mythic Mulholland Drive been included on our trip > through LA? After Rt. 66, that has to be one of the most famous stretches of > blacktop in the country. > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > Visit the Pub for route discussions > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jerry Mouton > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:52 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful > event. > > I have not really started planning the SF leg yet, > but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original > plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some really great > roads through the coast range. > > So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then > Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little > mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the > only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. > > To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive, > then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again, > then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valley > by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via > roads TBD. > > That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. > > Or whatever turns out to be best. > > Jerry > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fazal Cader > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > Good on you, mate! > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, JONAT > Administrator, ISC > ISC - Australia > www.jonat.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM > Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton has > volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. Welcome Jerry! > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 09:51:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 08:51:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: Distribution of Jonat Info in Europe References: <007b01c30ab6$917b2c00$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <058301c30b39$9472d1a0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Simon, this is great work! Thanks for jumping in and really running with the information on the Tour. As you said, "the more the merrier"! Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Cc: "Jamie - JONAT" ; "Bob England - JONAT" Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Distribution of Jonat Info in Europe > Thanks for spreading the news far & wide. I drove in last night from Noosa > via Sydney - a round trip of approx 4200 kms. The Rally was great and the > car went well. > > Cheers > Fazal > Executive Committee, JONAT > Administrator, ISC > ISC - Australia > www.jonat.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Fazal Cader" > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: Distribution of Jonat Info in Europe > > > > > > --- original Nachricht Ende ---- > > > > > > Simon, thought this might help you to disseminate info. > > > > Fazal > > Executive Committee, JONAT > > Administrator, ISC > > ISC - Australia > > www.jonat.org > > > > > > Hi Fazal, > > > > > > Thanks for the info & I hope all went well with the rally (our > season is just about to start & my first one is in France in mid May with > about 200 other Jags, mainly from the UK). Anyway I have copied various bits > and pieces of the Jonat Web site & forwarded them to Editors of the Jaguar > Enthusiast magazine (I´m a member of the Jaguar Enthusiast Club (of the UK) > & Jaguar World Monthly (a British mag specialising in old & current Jags). I > have no idea whether they will print anything but one can but try.I´m also a > member of the Jaguar Association of Germany & they also have a monthly mag > but in this case I´ll have to translate the info which is a bit of a bore.In > addition I have also copied the info to some Jag friends who maybe > interested (the more the merry). > > > > Thats all for know > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Wahnsinn: > > Premiere 3 + 3 gratis & einen neuwertigen > > Digitalreceiver schon ab 1 EUR! > > http://www.freenet.de/tipp/shopping/premiere/index.html > > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 10:52:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Fri Apr 25 09:52:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub In-Reply-To: <052d01c30b35$21f23700$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001e01c30b42$90edb370$6400a8c0@jot> Jamie, Good amendment. I've thought it through, and it should work pretty well provided we all... 1. $ubscribe to the Pub, 2. Use e-mail, not the forums, to post to the Pub, 3. Include both the Pub and JONAT addresses on items for general discussion, and 4. Remember to "Reply to All." (That will be the challenge for me.) The only problem I foresee is if someone is an e-mail $ubscriber of the Pub and not of JONAT. Jamie, are you handling the JONAT list? Do you have it set to accept non-member submissions? That's an option in some list software. If so, the JONAT list would receive their e-mails, but our discussions on JONAT wouldn't go out to them. If it's not set up that way, their messages would bounce either to them or you, depending on how the JONAT list works. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:15 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > > > So what do you all think? I find myself in concensus with > much of what Mark > says. My only concern is we started this "mail list" to help > capture all > conversations regarding JONAT, to be used for future reference if/when > needed as it does create an Archive. > > If there is a way we can get our SCs to enter in each address, > pub@jag-lovers.org and jonat@autox.team.net when or if they > begin a new > thread. Then everyone needs to use the "reply all" button > when commenting. > Unfortunately as we are all human, (well, most of us - grin) > I do not expect > that to be enforceable and I'd be a bit afraid of taking some > of the fun out > of the Tour prep if we get too structured (or anal). But > perhaps we need to > have some structure at the SC level at least. That way two > important goals > are met ... the archiving of Tour discussions and the > visibility on the Pub. > > Comments? > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 10:59:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (rader) Date: Fri Apr 25 09:59:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Message-ID: <200304250901.AA234946838@webmail.interworld.net> of course Ron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mark Stephenson" Reply-To: jonat@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:30:24 -0700 That reminds me, has the mythic Mulholland Drive been included on our trip through LA? After Rt. 66, that has to be one of the most famous stretches of blacktop in the country. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful event. I have not really started planning the SF leg yet, but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some really great roads through the coast range. So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive, then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again, then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valley by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via roads TBD. That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. Welcome Jerry! _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 11:02:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 10:02:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB References: Message-ID: <006501c30b43$e3267a90$4301010a@Griffiths> Hello Bob, I've taken the liberty of putting up a small page on the VSCCC web site for the JONAT. For the time being it is short and simple. I've informed Craig. www.vsccc.ca If there are any suggestions, changes, etc, please let me know Fred Postmaster for VSCCC "Enjoy Vintage Motoring" From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 13:14:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Fri Apr 25 12:14:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR In-Reply-To: <200304250901.AA234946838@webmail.interworld.net> Message-ID: <000801c30b56$5f812ce0$6400a8c0@jot> Excellent! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rader > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:02 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > of course > Ron > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > Reply-To: jonat@autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:30:24 -0700 > > That reminds me, has the mythic Mulholland Drive been > included on our trip > through LA? After Rt. 66, that has to be one of the most > famous stretches of > blacktop in the country. > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > Visit the Pub for route discussions > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jerry Mouton > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:52 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful > event. > > I have not really started planning the SF leg yet, > but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original > plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some > really great > roads through the coast range. > > So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then > Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little > mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the > only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. > > To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive, > then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again, > then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up > Napa Valley > by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via > roads TBD. > > That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. > > Or whatever turns out to be best. > > Jerry > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons > temps rouler!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fazal Cader > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > Good on you, mate! > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, JONAT > Administrator, ISC > ISC - Australia > www.jonat.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM > Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry > Mouton has > volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. > Welcome Jerry! > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 13:46:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Fri Apr 25 12:46:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: <00bc01c30ab9$3a7eec90$bb148890@FAZAL> <01de01c30aee$d134d2a0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <3EA8D3FC.2035D1C@interworld.net> <051f01c30b33$00659200$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <017801c30b5a$c5574960$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C30B20.18C616C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I won't be able to start on it until after the JCNA=20 Challenge Championship -- two weeks... Sorry! I did't hear about any deadline. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie - JONAT=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR I agree Jerry. It does sound great. Now we just need to get our = routing to Bob so he can feed the web site with it. (I'm guilty of = procrastination myself) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Rader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR sounds great.=20 Mount Tam,=20 I love Stinson beach=20 that little Czech restaurant.....=20 the walk out to the ocean......=20 SoCal Ron=20 Jerry Mouton wrote:=20 So my thought would be dinner at SLO, thenHwy 1 up through Big = Sur, maybe a littlemountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, = which is theonly California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no = town. To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline = drive,then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again,then to = Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valleyby Clear = Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) viaroads TBD. That way = it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be = best. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons = temps rouler!"=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Good on you, mate! Fazal Cader=20 Executive Committee, JONAT=20 Administrator, ISC=20 ISC - Australia=20 www.jonat.org=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry = Mouton has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. = Welcome Jerry! ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C30B20.18C616C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I won't be able to start on it until = after the JCNA=20
Challenge Championship -- two = weeks... =20 Sorry!
 
I did't hear about = any deadline.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jamie - = JONAT=20
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 = 7:00=20 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

I agree Jerry.  It does sound = great. =20 Now we just need to get our routing to Bob so he can feed the web site = with=20 it.  (I'm guilty of procrastination myself)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron=20 Rader
Sent: Thursday, April 24, = 2003 11:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO=20 SECTOR COORDINATOR

sounds great.
Mount Tam,
I love = Stinson=20 beach=20

that little Czech restaurant.....
the walk out to the = ocean......=20

SoCal Ron=20

Jerry Mouton wrote:=20

 So my thought would be dinner at SLO, = thenHwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a=20 littlemountain = run to see=20 Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is theonly California Mission still out in = its natural=20 habitat, no town. To San=20 Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline=20 drive,then maybe = Mount Tam=20 and Stinson Beach, coastline again,then to Santa Rosa.  Napa Valley the next day, then = maybe up=20 Napa Valleyby = Clear Lake then=20 to Eureka or another town (depending) viaroads TBD. That way it's not just ocean on the = left every=20 day. Or = whatever turns=20 out to be best. Jerry Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"=20
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: Thursday, April 24, = 2003 4:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO=20 SECTOR COORDINATOR
 Good on=20 you, mate! Fazal=20 Cader
Executive=20 Committee, JONAT
Administrator, ISC
ISC - Australia
www.jonat.org=20
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Bob
Sent: Monday, April 21, = 2003 4:31=20 AM
Subject: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO=20 SECTOR COORDINATOR
 Hello again guys = !  I=20 thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton=20 has volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San = Francisco. =20 Welcome=20 = Jerry!
------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C30B20.18C616C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 14:56:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 13:56:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB References: <006501c30b43$e3267a90$4301010a@Griffiths> Message-ID: <009801c30b64$6f53bda0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Fred? Terrific work! And thanks. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JONAT" To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB > Hello Bob, > I've taken the liberty of putting up a small page on the VSCCC web site > for the JONAT. For the time being it is short and simple. I've informed > Craig. > > www.vsccc.ca > > > If there are any suggestions, changes, etc, please let me know > > Fred > > Postmaster for VSCCC > "Enjoy Vintage Motoring" > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 14:59:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 13:59:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub References: <001e01c30b42$90edb370$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <00a001c30b64$f424e680$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Actually Bob is covering the jonat@autox.team.net email list. But we have it set up for SC's only at this time. The purpose was to describe "proprietary" items between the leadership mainly. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > Jamie, > > Good amendment. I've thought it through, and it should work pretty well > provided we all... > > 1. $ubscribe to the Pub, > 2. Use e-mail, not the forums, to post to the Pub, > 3. Include both the Pub and JONAT addresses on items for general discussion, > and > 4. Remember to "Reply to All." (That will be the challenge for me.) > > The only problem I foresee is if someone is an e-mail $ubscriber of the Pub > and not of JONAT. Jamie, are you handling the JONAT list? Do you have it set > to accept non-member submissions? That's an option in some list software. If > so, the JONAT list would receive their e-mails, but our discussions on JONAT > wouldn't go out to them. If it's not set up that way, their messages would > bounce either to them or you, depending on how the JONAT list works. > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > Visit the Pub for route discussions > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:15 AM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > > > > > > So what do you all think? I find myself in concensus with > > much of what Mark > > says. My only concern is we started this "mail list" to help > > capture all > > conversations regarding JONAT, to be used for future reference if/when > > needed as it does create an Archive. > > > > If there is a way we can get our SCs to enter in each address, > > pub@jag-lovers.org and jonat@autox.team.net when or if they > > begin a new > > thread. Then everyone needs to use the "reply all" button > > when commenting. > > Unfortunately as we are all human, (well, most of us - grin) > > I do not expect > > that to be enforceable and I'd be a bit afraid of taking some > > of the fun out > > of the Tour prep if we get too structured (or anal). But > > perhaps we need to > > have some structure at the SC level at least. That way two > > important goals > > are met ... the archiving of Tour discussions and the > > visibility on the Pub. > > > > Comments? > > > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 15:03:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri Apr 25 14:03:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub References: <001e01c30b42$90edb370$6400a8c0@jot> <00a001c30b64$f424e680$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c30b65$895d4760$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Uh ... that would be "discuss", not describe! Jamie ----- Original Message ----- > Actually Bob is covering the jonat@autox.team.net email list. But we have > it set up for SC's only at this time. The purpose was to describe > "proprietary" items between the leadership mainly. > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 18:32:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 25 17:32:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB In-Reply-To: <009801c30b64$6f53bda0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Fred ... yes ... great work ! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT |Sent: April 25, 2003 1:54 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] Calgary AB | | |Fred? Terrific work! | |And thanks. | |Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA |88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne |Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org |April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "JONAT" |To: |Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:01 AM |Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB | | |> Hello Bob, |> I've taken the liberty of putting up a small page on the VSCCC web |site |> for the JONAT. For the time being it is short and simple. I've informed |> Craig. |> |> www.vsccc.ca |> |> |> If there are any suggestions, changes, etc, please let me know |> |> Fred |> |> Postmaster for VSCCC |> "Enjoy Vintage Motoring" |> |> |> |> _______________________________________________ |> JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |> REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |> www.jonat.org |> _______________________________________________ |> |> | | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 18:41:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 25 17:41:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub In-Reply-To: <001e01c30b42$90edb370$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: Jamie / Mark A slight suggestion. I would rather not see an e-mail go to both lists, this would mean we all get two copies of each e-mail (an my delete key finger is getting rather weak these days). Also, if someone not on the JONAT list e-mails to the JONAT list, I have to manually delete or forward it. I'd rather see stuff to the PUB list be sent to the PUB list (if we're subscribed we'll get it anyway), and SC correspondence sent to the JONAT list. Do you figure this is doable ? [Am I making any sense?] Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson |Sent: April 25, 2003 9:52 AM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub | | |Jamie, | |Good amendment. I've thought it through, and it should work pretty well |provided we all... | |1. $ubscribe to the Pub, |2. Use e-mail, not the forums, to post to the Pub, |3. Include both the Pub and JONAT addresses on items for general |discussion, |and |4. Remember to "Reply to All." (That will be the challenge for me.) | |The only problem I foresee is if someone is an e-mail $ubscriber of the Pub |and not of JONAT. Jamie, are you handling the JONAT list? Do you |have it set |to accept non-member submissions? That's an option in some list |software. If |so, the JONAT list would receive their e-mails, but our |discussions on JONAT |wouldn't go out to them. If it's not set up that way, their messages would |bounce either to them or you, depending on how the JONAT list works. | |Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona |Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) |April 15 - July 4, 2004 |Visit the Pub for route discussions | | |> -----Original Message----- |> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net |> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT |> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:15 AM |> To: jonat@autox.team.net |> Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub |> |> |> So what do you all think? I find myself in concensus with |> much of what Mark |> says. My only concern is we started this "mail list" to help |> capture all |> conversations regarding JONAT, to be used for future reference if/when |> needed as it does create an Archive. |> |> If there is a way we can get our SCs to enter in each address, |> pub@jag-lovers.org and jonat@autox.team.net when or if they |> begin a new |> thread. Then everyone needs to use the "reply all" button |> when commenting. |> Unfortunately as we are all human, (well, most of us - grin) |> I do not expect |> that to be enforceable and I'd be a bit afraid of taking some |> of the fun out |> of the Tour prep if we get too structured (or anal). But |> perhaps we need to |> have some structure at the SC level at least. That way two |> important goals |> are met ... the archiving of Tour discussions and the |> visibility on the Pub. |> |> Comments? |> |> Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA |> 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne |> Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org |> April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 | | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 18:45:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 25 17:45:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR In-Reply-To: <017801c30b5a$c5574960$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C30B52.379807C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry I'll take what you gave me in your last e-mail and use it to set a preliminary route. When the Challenge is done with, you can refine it. Right now I am trying to tie down the dates we travel through each sector, and therefore need everyone's "days per Sector" input (which basically means a preliminary route). I think I sent out the request for preliminary routes just before you committed to the SC's job. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: April 25, 2003 12:45 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR I won't be able to start on it until after the JCNA Challenge Championship -- two weeks... Sorry! I did't hear about any deadline. Jerry ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C30B52.379807C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jerry
 
I'll take what you = gave me in=20 your last e-mail and use it to set a preliminary route.  When the = Challenge=20 is done with, you can refine it.  Right now I am trying to tie down = the=20 dates we travel through each sector, and therefore need everyone's "days = per=20 Sector" input (which basically means a preliminary route). =20
 
I think I sent out = the request=20 for preliminary routes just before you committed to the SC's=20 job.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
JONAT = Executive=20 Committee (Route Coordinator)
www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry=20 Mouton
Sent: April 25, 2003 12:45 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO = SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

I won't be able to start on it until = after the=20 JCNA
Challenge Championship -- two = weeks... =20 Sorry!
 
I did't hear about=20 any deadline.
 
Jerry
 
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C30B52.379807C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 18:47:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 25 17:47:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] General Note In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll be tied up the better part of this weekend at the local car show, so won't be around too much to respond to e-mails. Those of you who have not had a chance to put together your preliminary itinerary, please send it through this weekend, or if this is not possible, let me know when you can get this to me (Jerry ... got your note on the Challenge keeping you busy for a bit). Thanks! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 18:52:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Fri Apr 25 17:52:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: Message-ID: <029901c30b85$8d29f940$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0296_01C30B4A.E098C6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, What is happening about the Reno/Lake Tahoe section? Should I be planning to leave days for=20 the tour to go there and back? Or is it intended as an alternative to the Napa Valley day? Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Jerry I'll take what you gave me in your last e-mail and use it to set a = preliminary route. When the Challenge is done with, you can refine it. = Right now I am trying to tie down the dates we travel through each = sector, and therefore need everyone's "days per Sector" input (which = basically means a preliminary route). =20 I think I sent out the request for preliminary routes just before you = committed to the SC's job. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: April 25, 2003 12:45 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR I won't be able to start on it until after the JCNA=20 Challenge Championship -- two weeks... Sorry! I did't hear about any deadline. Jerry ------=_NextPart_000_0296_01C30B4A.E098C6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,
 
What is happening about the Reno/Lake=20 Tahoe
section?  Should I be planning to = leave days=20 for
the tour to go there and back?  Or = is it=20 intended as
an alternative to the Napa Valley = day?
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 = 4:43=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

Jerry
 
I'll take what = you gave me in=20 your last e-mail and use it to set a preliminary route.  When the = Challenge is done with, you can refine it.  Right now I am trying = to tie=20 down the dates we travel through each sector, and therefore need = everyone's=20 "days per Sector" input (which basically means a preliminary = route). =20
 
I think I sent = out the=20 request for preliminary routes just before you committed to the SC's=20 job.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
JONAT = Executive=20 Committee (Route Coordinator)
www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry=20 Mouton
Sent: April 25, 2003 12:45 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO = SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

I won't be able to start on it = until after the=20 JCNA
Challenge Championship -- two = weeks... =20 Sorry!
 
I did't hear about=20 any deadline.
 
Jerry
 
 
=
------=_NextPart_000_0296_01C30B4A.E098C6A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 00:05:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Fri Apr 25 23:05:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub References: Message-ID: <00e201c30bb1$4df080b0$bb148890@FAZAL> I'm inclined to agree with Bob on this. Lets keep the 2 main 'streams' of info (PUB & JONAT) and regularly mention them on other sites. Thereby shepherding them in the 'right direction. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > Jamie / Mark > > A slight suggestion. I would rather not see an e-mail go to both lists, > this would mean we all get two copies of each e-mail (an my delete key > finger is getting rather weak these days). Also, if someone not on the > JONAT list e-mails to the JONAT list, I have to manually delete or forward > it. I'd rather see stuff to the PUB list be sent to the PUB list (if we're > subscribed we'll get it anyway), and SC correspondence sent to the JONAT > list. > > Do you figure this is doable ? [Am I making any sense?] > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson > |Sent: April 25, 2003 9:52 AM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > | > | > |Jamie, > | > |Good amendment. I've thought it through, and it should work pretty well > |provided we all... > | > |1. $ubscribe to the Pub, > |2. Use e-mail, not the forums, to post to the Pub, > |3. Include both the Pub and JONAT addresses on items for general > |discussion, > |and > |4. Remember to "Reply to All." (That will be the challenge for me.) > | > |The only problem I foresee is if someone is an e-mail $ubscriber of the Pub > |and not of JONAT. Jamie, are you handling the JONAT list? Do you > |have it set > |to accept non-member submissions? That's an option in some list > |software. If > |so, the JONAT list would receive their e-mails, but our > |discussions on JONAT > |wouldn't go out to them. If it's not set up that way, their messages would > |bounce either to them or you, depending on how the JONAT list works. > | > |Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > |Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > |April 15 - July 4, 2004 > |Visit the Pub for route discussions > | > | > |> -----Original Message----- > |> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > |> [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > |> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:15 AM > |> To: jonat@autox.team.net > |> Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > |> > |> > |> So what do you all think? I find myself in concensus with > |> much of what Mark > |> says. My only concern is we started this "mail list" to help > |> capture all > |> conversations regarding JONAT, to be used for future reference if/when > |> needed as it does create an Archive. > |> > |> If there is a way we can get our SCs to enter in each address, > |> pub@jag-lovers.org and jonat@autox.team.net when or if they > |> begin a new > |> thread. Then everyone needs to use the "reply all" button > |> when commenting. > |> Unfortunately as we are all human, (well, most of us - grin) > |> I do not expect > |> that to be enforceable and I'd be a bit afraid of taking some > |> of the fun out > |> of the Tour prep if we get too structured (or anal). But > |> perhaps we need to > |> have some structure at the SC level at least. That way two > |> important goals > |> are met ... the archiving of Tour discussions and the > |> visibility on the Pub. > |> > |> Comments? > |> > |> Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > |> 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > |> Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > |> April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > | > | > |_______________________________________________ > |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > |www.jonat.org > |_______________________________________________ > | > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 01:17:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sat Apr 26 00:17:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB In-Reply-To: <006501c30b43$e3267a90$4301010a@Griffiths> Message-ID: <001701c30bbb$5d80fc30$6400a8c0@jot> You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not already there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I know that some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the name, but a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill in the blank). Mark - AZ > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JONAT > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:01 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB > > > Hello Bob, > I've taken the liberty of putting up a small page on the > VSCCC web site > for the JONAT. For the time being it is short and simple. > I've informed > Craig. > www.vsccc.ca If there are any suggestions, changes, etc, please let me know Fred Postmaster for VSCCC "Enjoy Vintage Motoring" _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 02:04:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sat Apr 26 01:04:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub In-Reply-To: <00e201c30bb1$4df080b0$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <001801c30bc2$060e7e80$6400a8c0@jot> Bob, You are sort of going in the direction of my original suggestion, I think. If we take a large part of the route discussions to the Pub, it will get people involved in the process and hopefully participating in the tour. I'd like to see the SC list become something of an admin discussion area, where the big decisions are made, volunteers are discussed and accepted, and disputes between us are resolved. Things like route details within a sector, where to stop, requests for more volunteers, etc., would generate a lot of interest from the people who don't currently know much about what we're doing. My suggestion that we have duplicate messages on both lists was a way to answering Jamie's concern that JONAT maintain some kind of archival record of the development of the tour. The Pub archives are there to be accessed, however we don't have any control over them, so if there is some problem with the Pub and they close it and the archives down, we'll lose access. So I guess what we need to decide is how important an history is and if the Pub archives will suffice. I personally think that we should always keep the KISS principle foremost in our thoughts, avoiding complexity whenever possible. Trying to maintain duplicate discussions on both lists would add complexity. Trying to take our discussions and report them to the Pub to generate interest adds complexity for whoever keeps the Pub updated, anad vice versa, when a discussion breaks out in the Pub. Utilizing the Pub for the detail discussion is the easiest solution. We save on admin time and effort on JONAT, because we are utilizing Jag-Lovers resources and the Pub admin. We are getting the word out while we discuss the details. We can steer people to a public forum to watch the development and become involved. And, we may get some really good suggestions from people who aren't in the inner circle. On the downside we lose control over our own archives. As long as we incorporate the good ideas into the route, does it matter how we got there? That my question for the evening. I'm taking part in the British Euro Auto Tour this weekend, so I'll be off-list until Sunday. I'll be interested to see the debate when I return. Mark - AZ > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fazal Cader > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:04 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > > > I'm inclined to agree with Bob on this. Lets keep the 2 main > 'streams' of > info (PUB & JONAT) and regularly mention them on other sites. Thereby > shepherding them in the 'right direction. > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, JONAT > Administrator, ISC > ISC - Australia > www.jonat.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 9:40 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONATcommunications on Jag-Lovers Pub > > > > Jamie / Mark > > > > A slight suggestion. I would rather not see an e-mail go > to both lists, > > this would mean we all get two copies of each e-mail (an my > delete key > > finger is getting rather weak these days). Also, if > someone not on the > > JONAT list e-mails to the JONAT list, I have to manually > delete or forward > > it. I'd rather see stuff to the PUB list be sent to the > PUB list (if > we're > > subscribed we'll get it anyway), and SC correspondence sent > to the JONAT > > list. > > > > Do you figure this is doable ? [Am I making any sense?] > > > > Bob England > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > > www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 08:12:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Sat Apr 26 07:12:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] BETTER SUBJECT DEFINITION References: <001b01c30b37$36cac0f0$6400a8c0@jot> <057901c30b39$2882ad80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EAA8555.4090800@jonat.org> Hi Folks. I have been down for a bit and returned to find hundreds of e-mails-most with the subject SECTOR COORDINATION or the like. I assumed that each would have some impact on me or those of here in the still frigid North. Not so as you can see below. It easy to just "reply" to a message and see the subject gradually change. To save some of us time could I ask that all of us check the subject heading before hitting send. Thanks Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator JONAT@autox.team.net Jamie - JONAT wrote: >Good put ... > >Ron? Mulholland Drive? Or is that Jerry's area? Umph, I just realized I >don't even know what part of CA that's in. I never gave it much thought >before, I just accepted it in all the movies I've ever watched! Hey, >maybe it's only a sound stage like the one theory of the moonwalk? > >Who's got some of Route 66 in their Sector? > >Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA >88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org >April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Stephenson" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:30 AM >Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR > > > > >>That reminds me, has the mythic Mulholland Drive been included on our trip >>through LA? After Rt. 66, that has to be one of the most famous stretches >> >> >of > > >>blacktop in the country. >> >>Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona >>Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) >>April 15 - July 4, 2004 >>Visit the Pub for route discussions >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Jerry Mouton >>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:52 PM >>To: jonat@autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR >> >> >>Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful >>event. >> >>I have not really started planning the SF leg yet, >>but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original >>plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some really great >>roads through the coast range. >> >>So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then >>Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little >>mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the >>only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. >> >>To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive, >>then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again, >>then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valley >>by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via >>roads TBD. >> >>That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. >> >>Or whatever turns out to be best. >> >>Jerry >> >>Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Fazal Cader >>To: jonat@autox.team.net >>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:28 PM >>Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR >> >> >>Good on you, mate! >> >>Fazal Cader >>Executive Committee, JONAT >>Administrator, ISC >>ISC - Australia >>www.jonat.org >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bob >>To: jonat@autox.team.net >>Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:31 AM >>Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR >> >> >>Hello again guys ! I thought I would let you know that Jerry Mouton has >>volunteered to be Sector Coordinator for the San Francisco. Welcome >> >> >Jerry! > > >>_______________________________________________ >>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >>www.jonat.org >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 09:46:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Apr 26 08:46:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR LINK TOUR In-Reply-To: <029901c30b85$8d29f940$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C30BD0.227F5860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry This link tour is being organized by Michael Jensen in Carson City. Consider him another Sector Coordinator you need to coordinate with. The tour proper would not follow this route, rather he will be leading a group of reprobates (...er...ah...cars...) from the Lake Tahoe area to meet up with your tour in the SF area. A good reference is http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_MAP.htm which shows who is coordinating what Sector. Bob England JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Bob, What is happening about the Reno/Lake Tahoe section? Should I be planning to leave days for the tour to go there and back? Or is it intended as an alternative to the Napa Valley day? Jerry ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C30BD0.227F5860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jerry
 
This link tour is = being=20 organized by Michael Jensen in Carson City.  Consider him another = Sector=20 Coordinator you need to coordinate with.  The tour proper would not = follow=20 this route, rather he will be leading a group of reprobates=20 (...er...ah...cars...) from the Lake Tahoe area to meet up with your = tour in the=20 SF area.
 
A good reference=20 is
http://jonat.org= /bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_MAP.htm
which shows who is = coordinating=20 what Sector.
 
Bob = England
JONAT=20 Executive Committee (Route Coordinator)
www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----

Bob,
 
What is happening about the Reno/Lake = Tahoe
section?  Should I be planning = to leave days=20 for
the tour to go there and back?  = Or is it=20 intended as
an alternative to the Napa Valley=20 day?
 
Jerry
 
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C30BD0.227F5860-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 10:02:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Apr 26 09:02:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques In-Reply-To: <001701c30bbb$5d80fc30$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: Mark Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. The Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as such, and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other marques of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. [As an aside, we had one fellow in our local group talking about taking his motor home and following most of the Tour. I think we've got him talked out of that (as that would not be the intent of the Tour), but he did offer to mount a leaper on the hood (bonnet)!] Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | | |You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not already |there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I know that |some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the |name, but |a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill in the |blank). | |Mark - AZ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 10:39:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (JONAT) Date: Sat Apr 26 09:39:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB References: <001701c30bbb$5d80fc30$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <024301c30c09$d5dbd9e0$3c01010a@Griffiths> >From my initial contact with John, I was under the impression that it was open to other marques as well. Perhaps I misunderstood. (You don't want my Jaguar-look-alike Triumph Spitfire?) What is the intent for people wanting to do one or two sectors? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Calgary AB > You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not already > there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I know that > some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the name, but > a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill in the > blank). > > Mark - AZ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JONAT > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:01 AM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB > > > > > > Hello Bob, > > I've taken the liberty of putting up a small page on the > > VSCCC web site > > for the JONAT. For the time being it is short and simple. > > I've informed > > Craig. > > > www.vsccc.ca > > > If there are any suggestions, changes, etc, please let me know > > Fred > > Postmaster for VSCCC > "Enjoy Vintage Motoring" > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 10:47:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Sat Apr 26 09:47:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques References: Message-ID: <00b801c30c0a$fb3b9c60$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Our club's tradition is that all at a meeting must either drive their Jaguars or bring the part that is keeping them from doing so. Maybe something like that would ease the problems for those with last minute car problems. Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" > > Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. The > Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as such, > and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other marques > of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 12:28:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sat Apr 26 11:28:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques References: Message-ID: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a JAGUAR tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any marque OTHER than Jaguars? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: [JONAT] Marques : Mark : : Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. The : Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as such, : and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other marques : of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. : : [As an aside, we had one fellow in our local group talking about taking his : motor home and following most of the Tour. I think we've got him talked out : of that (as that would not be the intent of the Tour), but he did offer to : mount a leaper on the hood (bonnet)!] : : Bob England : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) : www.jonat.org : : : : |-----Original Message----- : | : | : |You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not already : |there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I know that : |some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the : |name, but : |a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill in the : |blank). : | : |Mark - AZ : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 12:32:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat Apr 26 11:32:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Calgary AB References: <001701c30bbb$5d80fc30$6400a8c0@jot> <024301c30c09$d5dbd9e0$3c01010a@Griffiths> Message-ID: <000d01c30c19$7ce1e2c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Okay, we seem to have a challenge among us now. As one of the Executive Committee members governing the JONAT event, I find myself in a position of having to clarify one item with regard to email. And that is: If anyone is thinking of using the JONAT "label, handle, logo, etc" in their email or email address, it is absolutely an approved issue as long as it is officially JONAT related. There is but one rock solid condition on this and that is that a personal signature MUST accompany the email so the responsible person is identifiable. If these conditions are not adhered to, the responsible person will be identified, receive a second warning (this is the first) and subsequently unsubscribed from the jonat@autox.team.net email list if the choice is not to follow this simple rule. On a "friendlier" note ... Come on! Put your names in the email. While there aren't near as many folks to keep track of as someplace like Jag-Lovers or one of the other Forums, we don't know everyone's email addresses yet and it's just plain easier to read a name and know who we are responding to. Thanks, Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 12:33:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat Apr 26 11:33:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar only? - Marques References: <00b801c30c0a$fb3b9c60$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <001501c30c19$bd36b260$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Oh, I like it! Gregory? I guess I'll be bringing the rusty lower valance from my 88 with me to VanDusen this year! Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mouton" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques > Our club's tradition is that all at a meeting must either > drive their Jaguars or bring the part that is keeping > them from doing so. Maybe something like that > would ease the problems for those with last minute > car problems. > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > > > > Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. The > > Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as > such, > > and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other > marques > > of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 12:49:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat Apr 26 11:49:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated) Message-ID: <007201c30c1b$f84c34e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C30BE1.4AD92DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To follow up my previous note on email signatures with regard to JONAT = email ... Here's a forward of an earlier email I sent on this subject where I was = trying to be "suggestive" when I requested certain attributes for our = "official" email. Now I'd like to elevate these requests a little = higher and "recommend" that the following email signature format be = followed to the best of your ability. At least on the JONAT email = account please. Also as noted below, if you would put something similar on your personal = email signature, it would provide a good way to spread the word some = more about the Tour. Additionally I recommend a signature more like my = current one over the last one in the cut & pasted version in the note = below. Thanks, Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie - JONAT=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Another "Advertising" tip If I'm not too far out of line here, I'd like to suggest to everyone on = the Executive Committee and all the Sector Coordinators, that we each = start using a "signature block" in some form or another much the same as = you see below. A part of this signature should be the link to the JONAT = Site. Perhaps the SCs should each add the label of their Sector area. This will provide a more permanent and structured appearance of the = JONAT Leadership (all of you - smile) to the general public (and = friends). Thus helping to carry the word as we contact potential = Tourers or Sponsors or even casually send a message to someone we know. = There may be some folks out there we know that are really interested in = this type of event, but for some weird reason they haven't heard of it = yet. Just a thought. Jamie Duffey JONAT - Seattle Sector Coordinator JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C30BE1.4AD92DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To follow up my previous note on email = signatures=20 with regard to JONAT email ...
 
Here's a forward of an earlier email I = sent on this=20 subject where I was trying to be "suggestive" when I requested certain=20 attributes for our "official" email.  Now I'd like to elevate these = requests a little higher and "recommend" that the following email = signature=20 format be followed to the best of your ability.  At least on the = JONAT=20 email account please.
 
Also as noted below, if you would = put=20 something similar on your personal email signature, it would provide a = good way=20 to spread the word some more about the Tour.  Additionally I = recommend a=20 signature more like my current one over the last one in the cut & = pasted=20 version in the note below.
 
Thanks,
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 = 5:57 AM
Subject: Another "Advertising" = tip

If I'm not too far out of line here, = I'd like to=20 suggest to everyone on the Executive Committee and all the Sector = Coordinators,=20 that we each start using a "signature block" in some form or another = much the=20 same as you see below.  A part of this signature should be the link = to the=20 JONAT Site.  Perhaps the SCs should each add the label of their = Sector=20 area.
 
This will provide a more = permanent  and=20 structured appearance of the JONAT Leadership (all of you - smile) to = the=20 general public (and friends).  Thus helping to carry the = word as=20 we contact potential Tourers or Sponsors or even casually send a = message to=20 someone we know.  There may be some folks out there we know that = are really=20 interested in this type of event, but for some weird reason they haven't = heard=20 of it yet.
 
Just a thought.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT - Seattle Sector = Coordinator
JONAT=20 Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
= ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C30BE1.4AD92DC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 13:00:04 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat Apr 26 12:00:04 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This subject has come up time and again since the start of the Tour planning. Let's put it to bed once and for all. The Tour is called J(aguar)ONAT which proclaims it is for Jaguar Owner's and Jaguar will be the showcased Marque. All planning, advertising, emails, reporting during the trip and events, will center on Jaguar Owner involvement. However, if other British marque's wish to accompany us on the Tour, I feel it still makes a positive statement for British cars in general. (of which of course Jaguar is the ultimate). I am not suggesting we advertise the Tour is open to all marques, but I do not wish to turn away anyone who wishes to drive "something else". Perhaps we can suggest (strongly) that if it's not a Jaguar, it will need to wait until last during each departure from a Sector overnight stay location. And perhaps a "service charge" can be added to the admission fee for non-Jaguar marque's. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a JAGUAR > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any marque > OTHER than Jaguars? > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:00 AM > Subject: [JONAT] Marques > > > : Mark > : > : Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. The > : Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as > such, > : and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other > marques > : of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. > : > : [As an aside, we had one fellow in our local group talking about taking > his > : motor home and following most of the Tour. I think we've got him talked > out > : of that (as that would not be the intent of the Tour), but he did offer to > : mount a leaper on the hood (bonnet)!] > : > : Bob England > : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > : www.jonat.org > : > : > : > : |-----Original Message----- > : | > : | > : |You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not already > : |there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I know > that > : |some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the > : |name, but > : |a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill in the > : |blank). > : | > : |Mark - AZ > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 14:10:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (craig talbot) Date: Sat Apr 26 13:10:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EAADC02.D49F0415@telus.net> Gregory, Here's some food for thought. The Vintage Sports Car Club of Calgary was asked to help organize the Calgary sector, and I stepped up to the plate to be the SC. I just happen to be a Jaguar owner, but the club webmaster is into Triumphs and set the route from Calgary to the Saskatchewan handoff. If other non-Jaguar owner club members help me organize this sector are we not going to allow them to drive with us? Craig 92 VDP V12 64 E Type Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a JAGUAR > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any marque > OTHER than Jaguars? > Gregory From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 14:17:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sat Apr 26 13:17:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <3EAADC02.D49F0415@telus.net> Message-ID: <006a01c30c28$5fb7ebe0$77214518@oemcomputer> Sure, in your Jaguar. Otherwise, it ceases to be a Jaguar tour and becomes a British car tour in which most happen to be Jaguars. There are lots of All British runs available all over North America, but as far as I know, this is the only Jaguar run. I vote that we keep it that way. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig talbot" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques : Gregory, : : Here's some food for thought. The Vintage Sports Car Club of Calgary was : asked to help organize the Calgary sector, and I stepped up to the plate : to be the SC. I just happen to be a Jaguar owner, but the club webmaster : is into Triumphs and set the route from Calgary to the Saskatchewan : handoff. If other non-Jaguar owner club members help me organize this : sector are we not going to allow them to drive with us? : : Craig : 92 VDP V12 : 64 E Type : : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : > : > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a JAGUAR : > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this : > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any marque : > OTHER than Jaguars? : > Gregory : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 15:09:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Robert MacLeay) Date: Sat Apr 26 14:09:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Identifying yourself In-Reply-To: <000d01c30c19$7ce1e2c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: For the benefit of Pub readers, might I suggest you add your JONAT title/function to your signature as well? Keeping track of the names of two dozen sector coordinators can be a challenge for anyone coming in late. -- Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org on 4/26/03 11:30 AM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wrote: > On a "friendlier" note ... Come on! Put your names in the email. While > there aren't near as many folks to keep track of as someplace like > Jag-Lovers or one of the other Forums, we don't know everyone's email > addresses yet and it's just plain easier to read a name and know who we are > responding to. From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 16:57:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (rader) Date: Sat Apr 26 15:57:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques Message-ID: <200304261459.AA131924480@webmail.interworld.net> I'm with Greg. ron Rader ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk Reply-To: jonat@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:16:43 -0700 Sure, in your Jaguar. Otherwise, it ceases to be a Jaguar tour and becomes a British car tour in which most happen to be Jaguars. There are lots of All British runs available all over North America, but as far as I know, this is the only Jaguar run. I vote that we keep it that way. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig talbot" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 18:21:04 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Sat Apr 26 17:21:04 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <3EAADC02.D49F0415@telus.net> <006a01c30c28$5fb7ebe0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EAB143D.4000404@jonat.org> While I understand Dr A's enthusiasm I feel that we have to be very careful where, such as in Calgary, non-jaguar owners help us get this thing off the ground. The all British Club in Kingston Ontario was to be my point of contact for the end and start of the leg in my sector in the city of Kingston. It will be difficult to ask and tell them that they can't play except in a jaguar. Mike O'Brien Sector Coordiator Ottawa Canada Sector http://www.jonat.org 88 VDP V12 silverbirch "TJ" 88 VDP V12 black "the widow maker" 86 VDP V12 steel blue "the phoenix" 87 VDP V12 parts 86 Sovereign XJ6 parts Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: >Sure, in your Jaguar. Otherwise, it ceases to be a Jaguar tour and becomes a >British car tour in which most happen to be Jaguars. There are lots of All >British runs available all over North America, but as far as I know, this is >the only Jaguar run. I vote that we keep it that way. > Gregory >----- Original Message ----- >From: "craig talbot" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:20 PM >Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques > > >: Gregory, >: >: Here's some food for thought. The Vintage Sports Car Club of Calgary was >: asked to help organize the Calgary sector, and I stepped up to the plate >: to be the SC. I just happen to be a Jaguar owner, but the club webmaster >: is into Triumphs and set the route from Calgary to the Saskatchewan >: handoff. If other non-Jaguar owner club members help me organize this >: sector are we not going to allow them to drive with us? >: >: Craig >: 92 VDP V12 >: 64 E Type >: >: Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: >: > >: > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a >JAGUAR >: > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this >: > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any >marque >: > OTHER than Jaguars? >: > Gregory >: _______________________________________________ >: JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >: REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >: www.jonat.org >: _______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 18:37:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat Apr 26 17:37:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Signature Block - Identifying yourself References: Message-ID: <009501c30c40$932ac5c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> A signature block much like mine, Robert's or several other members has been suggested before. Please try to add this as soon as possible. If you are having trouble adding a signature block, please ask one of us for help. I'd say with the amount of Sector Coordinators we have here, surely someone has the same software installed and will be able to help somehow. I'm using Outlook Express, so anyone needing help setting up their signature please contact me. Remember, this signature is also a form of advertising the Tour which will help ensure the word gets spread. Someone you email may be involved with or interested in Jaguars and not know about our Site or any of the Forums where we have been discussing the Tour at. So possibly when they see your signature calling out the Tour, they'll either go to the Site or at least ask you a question or two. Add an email signature. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacLeay" To: "JONAT list" Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: [JONAT] Identifying yourself > For the benefit of Pub readers, might I suggest you add your JONAT > title/function to your signature as well? Keeping track of the names of two > dozen sector coordinators can be a challenge for anyone coming in late. > > -- > > Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO > 1990 VDP Majestic > Colorado Sector Coordinator > Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org > > > on 4/26/03 11:30 AM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wrote: > > > On a "friendlier" note ... Come on! Put your names in the email. While > > there aren't near as many folks to keep track of as someplace like > > Jag-Lovers or one of the other Forums, we don't know everyone's email > > addresses yet and it's just plain easier to read a name and know who we are > > responding to. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 19:12:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sat Apr 26 18:12:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques References: <00b801c30c0a$fb3b9c60$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <002501c30c51$85933fd0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> That's an original idea! It sounds quite 'newsworthy' as well - and I'm going to forward this on my local Club. Who knows, maybe we can incorporate into our monthly runs, or something. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, JONAT Administrator, ISC ISC - Australia www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mouton" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques > Our club's tradition is that all at a meeting must either > drive their Jaguars or bring the part that is keeping > them from doing so. Maybe something like that > would ease the problems for those with last minute > car problems. > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > > > > Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. The > > Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as > such, > > and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other > marques > > of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 19:18:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sat Apr 26 18:18:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated) References: <007201c30c1b$f84c34e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <003501c30c52$6cef75b0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C30CA6.3E339C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. We need to adhere to guidelines in these matters. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, Administrator, ISC, (ISC - Australia) Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie - JONAT=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:47 AM Subject: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated) To follow up my previous note on email signatures with regard to JONAT = email ... Here's a forward of an earlier email I sent on this subject where I = was trying to be "suggestive" when I requested certain attributes for = our "official" email. Now I'd like to elevate these requests a little = higher and "recommend" that the following email signature format be = followed to the best of your ability. At least on the JONAT email = account please. Also as noted below, if you would put something similar on your = personal email signature, it would provide a good way to spread the word = some more about the Tour. Additionally I recommend a signature more = like my current one over the last one in the cut & pasted version in the = note below. Thanks, Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie - JONAT=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Another "Advertising" tip If I'm not too far out of line here, I'd like to suggest to everyone = on the Executive Committee and all the Sector Coordinators, that we each = start using a "signature block" in some form or another much the same as = you see below. A part of this signature should be the link to the JONAT = Site. Perhaps the SCs should each add the label of their Sector area. This will provide a more permanent and structured appearance of the = JONAT Leadership (all of you - smile) to the general public (and = friends). Thus helping to carry the word as we contact potential = Tourers or Sponsors or even casually send a message to someone we know. = There may be some folks out there we know that are really interested in = this type of event, but for some weird reason they haven't heard of it = yet. Just a thought. Jamie Duffey JONAT - Seattle Sector Coordinator JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C30CA6.3E339C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree. We need to adhere to = guidelines in these=20 matters.
 
Fazal Cader
Executive = Committee,
Administrator, ISC, (ISC - = Australia)
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jamie - = JONAT=20
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 = 3:47=20 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Another email = request=20 (repeated)

To follow up my previous note on = email signatures=20 with regard to JONAT email ...
 
Here's a forward of an earlier email = I sent on=20 this subject where I was trying to be "suggestive" when I requested = certain=20 attributes for our "official" email.  Now I'd like to elevate = these=20 requests a little higher and "recommend" that the following email = signature=20 format be followed to the best of your ability.  At least on the = JONAT=20 email account please.
 
Also as noted below, if you = would put=20 something similar on your personal email signature, it would provide a = good=20 way to spread the word some more about the Tour.  Additionally I=20 recommend a signature more like my current one over the last one in = the cut=20 & pasted version in the note below.
 
Thanks,
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 = 5:57=20 AM
Subject: Another "Advertising" = tip

If I'm not too far out of line here, = I'd like to=20 suggest to everyone on the Executive Committee and all the Sector=20 Coordinators, that we each start using a "signature block" in some = form or=20 another much the same as you see below.  A part of this signature = should=20 be the link to the JONAT Site.  Perhaps the SCs should each add = the label=20 of their Sector area.
 
This will provide a more = permanent  and=20 structured appearance of the JONAT Leadership (all of you - smile) to = the=20 general public (and friends).  Thus helping to carry = the word=20 as we contact potential Tourers or Sponsors or even casually send = a=20 message to someone we know.  There may be some folks out there we = know=20 that are really interested in this type of event, but for some weird = reason=20 they haven't heard of it yet.
 
Just a thought.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT - Seattle Sector = Coordinator
JONAT=20 Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C30CA6.3E339C20-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 19:21:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sat Apr 26 18:21:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Greg, what would happen if, due to unforseen circumstances, you had to drive your MGB in JONAT? :-) Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > This subject has come up time and again since the start of the Tour > planning. Let's put it to bed once and for all. > > The Tour is called J(aguar)ONAT which proclaims it is for Jaguar Owner's and > Jaguar will be the showcased Marque. All planning, advertising, emails, > reporting during the trip and events, will center on Jaguar Owner > involvement. > > However, if other British marque's wish to accompany us on the Tour, I feel > it still makes a positive statement for British cars in general. (of which > of course Jaguar is the ultimate). I am not suggesting we advertise the > Tour is open to all marques, but I do not wish to turn away anyone who > wishes to drive "something else". Perhaps we can suggest (strongly) that if > it's not a Jaguar, it will need to wait until last during each departure > from a Sector overnight stay location. And perhaps a "service charge" can > be added to the admission fee for non-Jaguar marque's. > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques > > > > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a > JAGUAR > > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this > > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any marque > > OTHER than Jaguars? > > Gregory > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:00 AM > > Subject: [JONAT] Marques > > > > > > : Mark > > : > > : Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. The > > : Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as > > such, > > : and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other > > marques > > : of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. > > : > > : [As an aside, we had one fellow in our local group talking about taking > > his > > : motor home and following most of the Tour. I think we've got him talked > > out > > : of that (as that would not be the intent of the Tour), but he did offer > to > > : mount a leaper on the hood (bonnet)!] > > : > > : Bob England > > : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > > : www.jonat.org > > : > > : > > : > > : |-----Original Message----- > > : | > > : | > > : |You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not > already > > : |there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I know > > that > > : |some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the > > : |name, but > > : |a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill in > the > > : |blank). > > : | > > : |Mark - AZ > > : > > : _______________________________________________ > > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > : www.jonat.org > > : _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 20:05:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sat Apr 26 19:05:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> I probably wouldn't go. But I respect the wishes of others. It is just a bit like taking a single malt scotch, say Laphroaig, and adding soda water. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques : Greg, what would happen if, due to unforseen circumstances, you had to drive : your MGB in JONAT? : :-) : : Fazal Cader : Executive Committee, : ISC - Australia : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org : April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 : : : : : > This subject has come up time and again since the start of the Tour : > planning. Let's put it to bed once and for all. : > : > The Tour is called J(aguar)ONAT which proclaims it is for Jaguar Owner's : and : > Jaguar will be the showcased Marque. All planning, advertising, emails, : > reporting during the trip and events, will center on Jaguar Owner : > involvement. : > : > However, if other British marque's wish to accompany us on the Tour, I : feel : > it still makes a positive statement for British cars in general. (of which : > of course Jaguar is the ultimate). I am not suggesting we advertise the : > Tour is open to all marques, but I do not wish to turn away anyone who : > wishes to drive "something else". Perhaps we can suggest (strongly) that : if : > it's not a Jaguar, it will need to wait until last during each departure : > from a Sector overnight stay location. And perhaps a "service charge" can : > be added to the admission fee for non-Jaguar marque's. : > : > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA : > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne : > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org : > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:27 AM : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques : > : > : > > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a : > JAGUAR : > > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this : > > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any : marque : > > OTHER than Jaguars? : > > Gregory : > > ----- Original Message ----- : > > From: "Bob" : > > To: : > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:00 AM : > > Subject: [JONAT] Marques : > > : > > : > > : Mark : > > : : > > : Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. : The : > > : Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as : > > such, : > > : and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other : > > marques : > > : of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. : > > : : > > : [As an aside, we had one fellow in our local group talking about : taking : > > his : > > : motor home and following most of the Tour. I think we've got him : talked : > > out : > > : of that (as that would not be the intent of the Tour), but he did : offer : > to : > > : mount a leaper on the hood (bonnet)!] : > > : : > > : Bob England : > > : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : > > : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) : > > : www.jonat.org : > > : : > > : : > > : : > > : |-----Original Message----- : > > : | : > > : | : > > : |You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not : > already : > > : |there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I : know : > > that : > > : |some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the : > > : |name, but : > > : |a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill in : > the : > > : |blank). : > > : | : > > : |Mark - AZ : > > : : > > : _______________________________________________ : > > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > > : www.jonat.org : > > : _______________________________________________ : > > : > > _______________________________________________ : > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > > www.jonat.org : > > _______________________________________________ : > > : > > : > : > : > _______________________________________________ : > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > www.jonat.org : > _______________________________________________ : > : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 01:51:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Sun Apr 27 00:51:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3EAB7F22.936A10B3@interworld.net> --------------94800CA66B66D8C5BD2CAE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Guys: I think we should make it a Jaguar event. It is not like it would be with a Healey event - a car that has not been made since 1967. I think that most folks with old Jags also tend to have another one. However, If my E broke on the day before the trip started I would like to take my Healey rather than my XJ6. Ron Rader Sector Coordinator – Los Angeles JONAT Jaguar Owners North America Tour 2004 http://www.jonat.org/ 1967 E FHC 1965 Healey 1994 XJ6 Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a JAGUAR > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any marque > OTHER than Jaguars? > Gregory --------------94800CA66B66D8C5BD2CAE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Guys:
I think we should make it a Jaguar event.

It is not like it would be with a Healey event - a car that has not been made since 1967.  I think that most folks with old Jags also tend to have another one. However, If my E broke on the day before the trip started I would like to take my Healey rather than my XJ6.

Ron Rader
Sector Coordinator – Los Angeles
JONAT Jaguar Owners North America Tour 2004
http://www.jonat.org/

1967 E FHC
1965 Healey
1994 XJ6
 

Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote:

Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a JAGUAR
tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have this
clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any marque
OTHER than Jaguars?
                                                Gregory
--------------94800CA66B66D8C5BD2CAE10-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 12:03:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Sun Apr 27 11:03:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> My feeling on this is that it should be restricted to Jaguars only. The name defines this and it adds a level of intrigue for the people who will see the tour passing through their towns. I am sure that there are plenty of British Car enthusiasts that would love to join the Tour but will also understand that it is for Jaguars only. Also keep in mind how large this tour could become is all marques are permited. It may turn from an enjoyable event to one that taxes the mind and resources of the those organizing it. Barry La Pointe 72 E-Type V12 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques > I probably wouldn't go. But I respect the wishes of others. It is just a bit > like taking a single malt scotch, say Laphroaig, and adding soda water. > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fazal Cader" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques > > > : Greg, what would happen if, due to unforseen circumstances, you had to > drive > : your MGB in JONAT? > : :-) > : > : Fazal Cader > : Executive Committee, > : ISC - Australia > : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > : April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > : > : > : > : > : > This subject has come up time and again since the start of the Tour > : > planning. Let's put it to bed once and for all. > : > > : > The Tour is called J(aguar)ONAT which proclaims it is for Jaguar Owner's > : and > : > Jaguar will be the showcased Marque. All planning, advertising, emails, > : > reporting during the trip and events, will center on Jaguar Owner > : > involvement. > : > > : > However, if other British marque's wish to accompany us on the Tour, I > : feel > : > it still makes a positive statement for British cars in general. (of > which > : > of course Jaguar is the ultimate). I am not suggesting we advertise the > : > Tour is open to all marques, but I do not wish to turn away anyone who > : > wishes to drive "something else". Perhaps we can suggest (strongly) > that > : if > : > it's not a Jaguar, it will need to wait until last during each departure > : > from a Sector overnight stay location. And perhaps a "service charge" > can > : > be added to the admission fee for non-Jaguar marque's. > : > > : > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > : > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > : > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > : > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > : > > : > ----- Original Message ----- > : > From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" > : > To: > : > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:27 AM > : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques > : > > : > > : > > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be a > : > JAGUAR > : > > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have > this > : > > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any > : marque > : > > OTHER than Jaguars? > : > > Gregory > : > > ----- Original Message ----- > : > > From: "Bob" > : > > To: > : > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:00 AM > : > > Subject: [JONAT] Marques > : > > > : > > > : > > : Mark > : > > : > : > > : Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some time. > : The > : > > : Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted > as > : > > such, > : > > : and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other > : > > marques > : > > : of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. > : > > : > : > > : [As an aside, we had one fellow in our local group talking about > : taking > : > > his > : > > : motor home and following most of the Tour. I think we've got him > : talked > : > > out > : > > : of that (as that would not be the intent of the Tour), but he did > : offer > : > to > : > > : mount a leaper on the hood (bonnet)!] > : > > : > : > > : Bob England > : > > : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > : > > : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) > : > > : www.jonat.org > : > > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > > : |-----Original Message----- > : > > : | > : > > : | > : > > : |You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not > : > already > : > > : |there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I > : know > : > > that > : > > : |some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of the > : > > : |name, but > : > > : |a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill > in > : > the > : > > : |blank). > : > > : | > : > > : |Mark - AZ > : > > : > : > > : _______________________________________________ > : > > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : > > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : > > : www.jonat.org > : > > : _______________________________________________ > : > > > : > > _______________________________________________ > : > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : > > www.jonat.org > : > > _______________________________________________ > : > > > : > > > : > > : > > : > _______________________________________________ > : > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : > www.jonat.org > : > _______________________________________________ > : > > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 12:39:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sun Apr 27 11:39:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: <00d501c30ce3$ce5ac2f0$77214518@LaptopG> Barry has said, better than I have, my own feelings on this. We could be faced with groups of unmanageable size in some segments if this is open to all British cars. (There will be, for example, more than 500 British cars at the Van Dusen show in Vancouver which will be a cornerstone of the tour. Suppose just a portion of these thought they would join the Vancouver to Calgary segment?). Now that some English car groups have been asked to help, there is a problem to be worked out. Perhaps in these cases, they could be "honourary" participants, without extending such an invitation beyond them. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry La Pointe" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques : My feeling on this is that it should be restricted to Jaguars only. The name : defines this and it adds a level of intrigue for the people who will see the : tour passing through their towns. I am sure that there are plenty of British : Car enthusiasts that would love to join the Tour but will also understand : that it is for Jaguars only. Also keep in mind how large this tour could : become is all marques are permited. It may turn from an enjoyable event to : one that taxes the mind and resources of the those organizing it. : Barry La Pointe : 72 E-Type V12 : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" : To: : Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:02 PM : Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques : : : > I probably wouldn't go. But I respect the wishes of others. It is just a : bit : > like taking a single malt scotch, say Laphroaig, and adding soda water. : > Gregory : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Fazal Cader" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 5:20 PM : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques : > : > : > : Greg, what would happen if, due to unforseen circumstances, you had to : > drive : > : your MGB in JONAT? : > : :-) : > : : > : Fazal Cader : > : Executive Committee, : > : ISC - Australia : > : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org : > : April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 : > : : > : : > : : > : : > : > This subject has come up time and again since the start of the Tour : > : > planning. Let's put it to bed once and for all. : > : > : > : > The Tour is called J(aguar)ONAT which proclaims it is for Jaguar : Owner's : > : and : > : > Jaguar will be the showcased Marque. All planning, advertising, : emails, : > : > reporting during the trip and events, will center on Jaguar Owner : > : > involvement. : > : > : > : > However, if other British marque's wish to accompany us on the Tour, I : > : feel : > : > it still makes a positive statement for British cars in general. (of : > which : > : > of course Jaguar is the ultimate). I am not suggesting we advertise : the : > : > Tour is open to all marques, but I do not wish to turn away anyone who : > : > wishes to drive "something else". Perhaps we can suggest (strongly) : > that : > : if : > : > it's not a Jaguar, it will need to wait until last during each : departure : > : > from a Sector overnight stay location. And perhaps a "service charge" : > can : > : > be added to the admission fee for non-Jaguar marque's. : > : > : > : > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA : > : > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne : > : > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org : > : > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 : > : > : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > : > From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" : > : > To: : > : > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:27 AM : > : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Marques : > : > : > : > : > : > > Bob: this was not my understanding at all. I thought this was to be : a : > : > JAGUAR : > : > > tour, not an ALL British tour, of which there are many! Can we have : > this : > : > > clarified, please, and could someone explain why we would want any : > : marque : > : > > OTHER than Jaguars? : > : > > Gregory : > : > > ----- Original Message ----- : > : > > From: "Bob" : > : > > To: : > : > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:00 AM : > : > > Subject: [JONAT] Marques : > : > > : > : > > : > : > > : Mark : > : > > : : > : > > : Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some : time. : > : The : > : > > : Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is : promoted : > as : > : > > such, : > : > > : and is directed to this end. If others want to register their : other : > : > > marques : > : > > : of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. : > : > > : : > : > > : [As an aside, we had one fellow in our local group talking about : > : taking : > : > > his : > : > > : motor home and following most of the Tour. I think we've got him : > : talked : > : > > out : > : > > : of that (as that would not be the intent of the Tour), but he did : > : offer : > : > to : > : > > : mount a leaper on the hood (bonnet)!] : > : > > : : > : > > : Bob England : > : > > : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : > : > > : JONAT Executive Committee (Route Coordinator) : > : > > : www.jonat.org : > : > > : : > : > > : : > : > > : : > : > > : |-----Original Message----- : > : > > : | : > : > > : | : > : > > : |You might make a note that JONAT is for Jaguars only, if it's not : > : > already : > : > > : |there. I didn't see it, but then I've been none to miss things. I : > : know : > : > > that : > : > > : |some people might assume that it's only for Jaguars because of : the : > : > > : |name, but : > : > > : |a lot will call and ask if they can bring their ___________ (fill : > in : > : > the : > : > > : |blank). : > : > > : | : > : > > : |Mark - AZ : > : > > : : > : > > : _______________________________________________ : > : > > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > : > > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > : > > : www.jonat.org : > : > > : _______________________________________________ : > : > > : > : > > _______________________________________________ : > : > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > : > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > : > > www.jonat.org : > : > > _______________________________________________ : > : > > : > : > > : > : > : > : > : > : > _______________________________________________ : > : > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > : > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > : > www.jonat.org : > : > _______________________________________________ : > : > : > : : > : _______________________________________________ : > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > : www.jonat.org : > : _______________________________________________ : > : > _______________________________________________ : > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > www.jonat.org : > _______________________________________________ : : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 20:43:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (craig talbot) Date: Sun Apr 27 19:43:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <00d501c30ce3$ce5ac2f0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <3EAC89AC.77545779@telus.net> I think we've arrived at the same point through different routes. I wasn't suggesting throwing the tour open to any British car, but rather a way of accommodating various members of organizing clubs who may not be Jaguar owners. I don't think it would dilute the spirit of the tour to have a TR6 driving with a group of 50 (or whatever) Jaguars. Craig Calgary SC 92 VDP V12 Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > > > Now that some English car groups have been asked to help, there is a > problem to be worked out. Perhaps in these cases, they could be "honourary" > participants, without extending such an invitation beyond them. > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 20:51:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sun Apr 27 19:51:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <00d501c30ce3$ce5ac2f0$77214518@LaptopG> <3EAC89AC.77545779@telus.net> Message-ID: <001101c30d28$853853e0$77214518@LaptopG> Agreed: then this would be a sort of "reward" for those particular owners of other marques who have in some way help the JONAT tour? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig talbot" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques : I think we've arrived at the same point through different routes. I : wasn't suggesting throwing the tour open to any British car, but rather : a way of accommodating various members of organizing clubs who may not : be Jaguar owners. : : I don't think it would dilute the spirit of the tour to have a TR6 : driving with a group of 50 (or whatever) Jaguars. : : Craig : Calgary SC : 92 VDP V12 : : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : > : > : > Now that some English car groups have been asked to help, there is a : > problem to be worked out. Perhaps in these cases, they could be "honourary" : > participants, without extending such an invitation beyond them. : > : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 22:12:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sun Apr 27 21:12:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques In-Reply-To: <001101c30d28$853853e0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <000701c30d33$e8b958a0$6400a8c0@jot> Regarding the question of what happens if your Jaguar fails the day before the event, remember our name -- Jaguar Owners North American Tour. If we parse that a bit, it's a tour for Jaguar owners. So, if you own a Jag you would be welcome, technically speaking. If all Dr. A's Jags failed the day before the event, he would not be violating our charter if he brought his MGB. That said, I agree with the sentiments of most of the SCs. I feel strongly that JONAT should be limited to Jaguars, however those who have helped in some way should be bestowed the title of "Honorary Jaguar Owner" for duration the tour (with the appropriate tap of the sword on the shoulders, of course). :-) Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:50 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques > > > Agreed: then this would be a sort of "reward" for those > particular owners of > other marques who have in some way help the JONAT tour? > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig talbot" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques > > > : I think we've arrived at the same point through different routes. I > : wasn't suggesting throwing the tour open to any British > car, but rather > : a way of accommodating various members of organizing clubs > who may not > : be Jaguar owners. > : > : I don't think it would dilute the spirit of the tour to have a TR6 > : driving with a group of 50 (or whatever) Jaguars. > : > : Craig > : Calgary SC > : 92 VDP V12 > : > : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > : > > : > > : > Now that some English car groups have been asked to > help, there is a > : > problem to be worked out. Perhaps in these cases, they could be > "honourary" > : > participants, without extending such an invitation beyond them. > : > > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 11:32:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Robert MacLeay) Date: Mon Apr 28 10:32:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques In-Reply-To: <00d501c30ce3$ce5ac2f0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: How about "Escort Privileges" for a helping club, for their segment? For the entire tour, I think we should restrict entry to Jaguars (and maybe Daimlers?) only. And if your Jag goes temperamental the day/week/month before... Well, I've got three extra seats in my Jaguar, and I'm sure others will have one or three as well. -- Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org on 4/27/03 11:38 AM, Dr Gregory Andrachuk at v12-vdp@shaw.ca wrote: > Barry has said, better than I have, my own feelings on this. We could be > faced with groups of unmanageable size in some segments if this is open to > all British cars. (There will be, for example, more than 500 British cars at > the Van Dusen show in Vancouver which will be a cornerstone of the tour. > Suppose just a portion of these thought they would join the Vancouver to > Calgary segment?). > Now that some English car groups have been asked to help, there is a > problem to be worked out. Perhaps in these cases, they could be "honourary" > participants, without extending such an invitation beyond them. > Gregory From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 11:44:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Apr 28 10:44:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: Message-ID: <007001c30da4$f93a48d0$77214518@LaptopG> Bob: I think "escort privileges" is a great way of solving the problem for owners of other marques who have helped out, and a good term to use. Daimlers made during Jaguar ownership are automatically authorised. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacLeay" To: "JONAT list" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques : How about "Escort Privileges" for a helping club, for their segment? : : For the entire tour, I think we should restrict entry to Jaguars (and maybe : Daimlers?) only. : : And if your Jag goes temperamental the day/week/month before... : Well, I've got three extra seats in my Jaguar, and I'm sure others will have : one or three as well. : : -- : : Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO : 1990 VDP Majestic : Colorado Sector Coordinator : Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org : : : : on 4/27/03 11:38 AM, Dr Gregory Andrachuk at v12-vdp@shaw.ca wrote: : : > Barry has said, better than I have, my own feelings on this. We could be : > faced with groups of unmanageable size in some segments if this is open to : > all British cars. (There will be, for example, more than 500 British cars at : > the Van Dusen show in Vancouver which will be a cornerstone of the tour. : > Suppose just a portion of these thought they would join the Vancouver to : > Calgary segment?). : > Now that some English car groups have been asked to help, there is a : > problem to be worked out. Perhaps in these cases, they could be "honourary" : > participants, without extending such an invitation beyond them. : > Gregory : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 12:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon Apr 28 11:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: <011701c30da7$5d3ec480$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Let's not forget that we're talking about the open, public roads here. JONAT really won't have the right to restrict anybody up to and including Ford Excursions from riding the route if they want to. Obviously our indoor events will be private, and registration can be limited, but let's not waste any time trying to do the impossible. There was a recent National JCNA event at which club members were verbally abused and chased away from a ride. Sorry, but I would not want to be associated with any event of that sort. If we are going that way, please let us decide now so we can get the riff-raff like me out. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry La Pointe" > My feeling on this is that it should be restricted to Jaguars only. The name > defines this and it adds a level of intrigue for the people who will see the > tour passing through their towns. I am sure that there are plenty of British > Car enthusiasts that would love to join the Tour but will also understand > that it is for Jaguars only. Also keep in mind how large this tour could > become is all marques are permited. It may turn from an enjoyable event to > one that taxes the mind and resources of the those organizing it. From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 15:13:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Apr 28 14:13:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <011701c30da7$5d3ec480$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <008c01c30dc2$755e59c0$77214518@LaptopG> Jerry: no one, least of all me, is trying to police anyone. Clearly, we are using public roads and will be "infiltrated" anyway. We are simply speaking of the official make-up of this tour. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mouton" To: Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques : Let's not forget that we're talking about the open, : public roads here. JONAT really won't have the : right to restrict anybody up to and including Ford : Excursions from riding the route if they want to. : : Obviously our indoor events will be private, and : registration can be limited, but let's not : waste any time trying to do the impossible. : : There was a recent National JCNA event at which : club members were verbally abused and chased away : from a ride. Sorry, but I would not want to be associated : with any event of that sort. If we are going that way, : please let us decide now so we can get the riff-raff like : me out. : : Jerry : : Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Barry La Pointe" : : : > My feeling on this is that it should be restricted to Jaguars only. The : name : > defines this and it adds a level of intrigue for the people who will see : the : > tour passing through their towns. I am sure that there are plenty of : British : > Car enthusiasts that would love to join the Tour but will also understand : > that it is for Jaguars only. Also keep in mind how large this tour could : > become is all marques are permited. It may turn from an enjoyable event to : > one that taxes the mind and resources of the those organizing it. : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 20:01:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:01:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] USE of JONAT In-Reply-To: <000d01c30c19$7ce1e2c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Jamie ... I think I missed something (it was a long weekend at the car show and I'm just finishing reading/answering a passle of email)... was someone using "JONAT" in an unofficial type context? I hope it wasn't me ! (Please reply off-line of the list if appropriate). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |Okay, we seem to have a challenge among us now. | |As one of the Executive Committee members governing the JONAT event, I find |myself in a position of having to clarify one item with regard to email. |And that is: | |If anyone is thinking of using the JONAT "label, handle, logo, |etc" in their |email or email address, it is absolutely an approved issue as long as it is |officially JONAT related. There is but one rock solid condition |on this and |that is that a personal signature MUST accompany the email so the |responsible person is identifiable. If these conditions are not |adhered to, |the responsible person will be identified, receive a second |warning (this is |the first) and subsequently unsubscribed from the |jonat@autox.team.net email |list if the choice is not to follow this simple rule. | |On a "friendlier" note ... Come on! Put your names in the email. While |there aren't near as many folks to keep track of as someplace like |Jag-Lovers or one of the other Forums, we don't know everyone's email |addresses yet and it's just plain easier to read a name and know who we are |responding to. | |Thanks, | |Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA |88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne |Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org |April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 20:05:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:05:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated) In-Reply-To: <007201c30c1b$f84c34e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C30DB8.DEBD3030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie ... If I can add something that I noticed while reading some of the Jag-Lovers list messages tonight - what about using the non-abbreviated name in the signature ... some people might not know what JONAT stands for , and hence not click on the www.jonat.org bit in the signature. See what I have done below. Thoughts? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT Sent: April 26, 2003 11:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated) To follow up my previous note on email signatures with regard to JONAT email ... Here's a forward of an earlier email I sent on this subject where I was trying to be "suggestive" when I requested certain attributes for our "official" email. Now I'd like to elevate these requests a little higher and "recommend" that the following email signature format be followed to the best of your ability. At least on the JONAT email account please. Also as noted below, if you would put something similar on your personal email signature, it would provide a good way to spread the word some more about the Tour. Additionally I recommend a signature more like my current one over the last one in the cut & pasted version in the note below. Thanks, Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie - JONAT Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Another "Advertising" tip If I'm not too far out of line here, I'd like to suggest to everyone on the Executive Committee and all the Sector Coordinators, that we each start using a "signature block" in some form or another much the same as you see below. A part of this signature should be the link to the JONAT Site. Perhaps the SCs should each add the label of their Sector area. This will provide a more permanent and structured appearance of the JONAT Leadership (all of you - smile) to the general public (and friends). Thus helping to carry the word as we contact potential Tourers or Sponsors or even casually send a message to someone we know. There may be some folks out there we know that are really interested in this type of event, but for some weird reason they haven't heard of it yet. Just a thought. Jamie Duffey JONAT - Seattle Sector Coordinator JONAT Executive Committee http://www.jonat.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C30DB8.DEBD3030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jamie ... If I can = add=20 something that I noticed while reading some of the Jag-Lovers list = messages=20 tonight - what about using the non-abbreviated name in the = signature ...=20 some people might not know what JONAT stands for , and hence not click = on the www.jonat.org bit in the = signature.  See=20 what I have done below.  Thoughts?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jamie -=20 JONAT
Sent: April 26, 2003 11:48 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Another email request=20 (repeated)

To follow up my previous note on = email signatures=20 with regard to JONAT email ...
 
Here's a forward of an earlier email = I sent on=20 this subject where I was trying to be "suggestive" when I requested = certain=20 attributes for our "official" email.  Now I'd like to elevate = these=20 requests a little higher and "recommend" that the following email = signature=20 format be followed to the best of your ability.  At least on the = JONAT=20 email account please.
 
Also as noted below, if you = would put=20 something similar on your personal email signature, it would provide a = good=20 way to spread the word some more about the Tour.  Additionally I=20 recommend a signature more like my current one over the last one in = the cut=20 & pasted version in the note below.
 
Thanks,
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 = 5:57=20 AM
Subject: Another "Advertising" = tip

If I'm not too far out of line here, = I'd like to=20 suggest to everyone on the Executive Committee and all the Sector=20 Coordinators, that we each start using a "signature block" in some = form or=20 another much the same as you see below.  A part of this signature = should=20 be the link to the JONAT Site.  Perhaps the SCs should each add = the label=20 of their Sector area.
 
This will provide a more = permanent  and=20 structured appearance of the JONAT Leadership (all of you - smile) to = the=20 general public (and friends).  Thus helping to carry = the word=20 as we contact potential Tourers or Sponsors or even casually send = a=20 message to someone we know.  There may be some folks out there we = know=20 that are really interested in this type of event, but for some weird = reason=20 they haven't heard of it yet.
 
Just a thought.
 
Jamie Duffey
JONAT - Seattle Sector = Coordinator
JONAT=20 Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C30DB8.DEBD3030-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 20:12:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:12:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Marques In-Reply-To: <002501c30c51$85933fd0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: I kind of like this idea as well, particularly with the recent discussion about non Jaguar Tour participants. Perhaps it would stress the Jaguar bit if anyone on the Tour either has to be driving a Jaguar, or has to have a Jaguar part in their car to participate ("Leapers" sold at the door when you exit!) It'd add a bit of good natured fun as well. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Fazal Cader | |That's an original idea! It sounds quite 'newsworthy' as well - and I'm |going to forward this on my local Club. Who knows, maybe we can incorporate |into our monthly runs, or something. | |Fazal Cader | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Jerry Mouton" |To: | |> Our club's tradition is that all at a meeting must either |> drive their Jaguars or bring the part that is keeping |> them from doing so. Maybe something like that |> would ease the problems for those with last minute |> car problems. |> |> Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons |temps rouler!" |> ----- Original Message ----- |> From: "Bob" |> > |> > Good point to bring up, as it has not been discussed for some |time. The |> > Tour is not intended to be a 100% Jaguar only tour, but is promoted as |> such, |> > and is directed to this end. If others want to register their other |> marques |> > of British cars, it was decided that this would be OK. From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 20:18:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:18:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C30DBA.B7B55BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEVER MIND ! I see you guys are WAY ahead of me on this one. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Sent: April 28, 2003 7:04 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated) Jamie ... If I can add something that I noticed while reading some of the Jag-Lovers list messages tonight - what about using the non-abbreviated name in the signature ... some people might not know what JONAT stands for , and hence not click on the www.jonat.org bit in the signature. See what I have done below. Thoughts? Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C30DBA.B7B55BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NEVER MIND !  = I see you=20 guys are WAY ahead of me on this one.
 
Bob = England
'69=20 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour = (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 April 28, 2003 7:04 PM
To: = jonat@autox.team.net
Subject:=20 RE: [JONAT] Another email request (repeated)

Jamie ... If I = can add=20 something that I noticed while reading some of the Jag-Lovers list = messages=20 tonight - what about using the non-abbreviated name in the = signature ...=20 some people might not know what JONAT stands for , and hence not click = on the=20 www.jonat.org bit in the = signature. =20 See what I have done below.  Thoughts?
 
Bob England
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C30DBA.B7B55BA0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 20:54:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:54:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 Message-ID: <01f401c30df1$d60691a0$77214518@LaptopG> Well, as you can see from the message below, we are officially set for the Van Dusen show, 2004. I will be aggressively following up with this. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Stewart" To: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Van Dusen 2004 : Dear Gregory. : Thanks for your kind comments about ABFM. : Your timing couldn't be more fortunate. This year's ABFM will be featured on : Speed Channel's 'My Classic Car " hosted by the well known Dennis Gage. Check : out www.myclassiccar.com. This show is viewed by several million car nuts : throughout North America. To take advantage of this publicity you should arrange : for a Jaguar of 'particular interest' to be at VanDusen. Dennis likes to : interview cars owner with a particularly good story to tell so if you can : arrange this I will pass on the information and hopefully he will include it in : his broadcast. : Some sort of flyers promoting your event would also work. They should be : displayed at the ABFM information tent this year in advance of the event.. : Regarding 2004.There is no problem registering additional cars in the Jag : section as there is additional space available. You could also have a small : display with a map : and details of the tour. : Featured marque is not possible since that happened in 2002. I'm sure we can : work out something to recognise your group and make them feel welcome...the Fri : night reception may well be the place for that. Also there is a special room : rate at the Abercorn ,our host hotel. Also special parking. : Let me know if these suggestions work for you. : Cheers : Patrick. : : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : : > Mr Stewart: I have participated in the wonderful Van Dusen show for many : > years, and I'd like to thank you for the effort that goes into it. It : > provides so much pleasure for so many. : > I am writing because I am involved as a section coordinator for the 2004 : > Jaguar Owners North American Tour ("JONAT"; please see the attached : > material). This tour begins in April in Orlando, Florida and makes a circuit : > of North America. The entry point for the Canadian portion will be Victoria, : > proceeding to Vancouver, and on to the Okanagan, Banff, Calgary... There : > will be participants from both Canada and the US, and as far away as : > Australia and South Africa, although as we are in the prliminary stages of : > planning, numbers are not yet known. Many will make only one leg of the : > tour, some will do the whole thing. We expect the section covering Victoria : > and Vancouver to be especially popular because we have timed it specifically : > to coincide with the 2004 Van Dusen show. We expect that virtually all of : > the registrants of JONAT on this leg will want to show their cars on the : > field. : > My purpose here is 1) to give you a preliminary notice of this so that : > some extra space for Jaguars can be accomodated (the extra numbers might be : > 25 in total; many of the participants on this leg, such as myself, already : > show regularly at Van Dusen) ; and 2) to ask if there could be any sort of : > official or semi-official recognition of the JONAT tour at next year's show. : > Featured marque? or ...? : > This will be a very exciting tour in many ways, and will introduce this : > part of Canada to many of our southern cousins. A warm welcome at Van Dusen : > would certainly be an impressive start to the Canadian part of the tour. : > I look forward to hearing your reaction to this proposal. A number of : > the section coordinators will be at Van Dusen this year, some for the first : > time specifically to "check out" the show in anticipation of next year. : > : > sincerely, : > : > Gregory Andrachuk : > : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ : > : > Subject: JONAT Flyer (rev 2) : > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:07:47 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) : > From: David and Barbara Cooke : > To: Doug Ingram , "Andrachuck, Gregory" : > CC: pgill@istar.ca : > : > Gregory and Doug: : > : > Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you on this. Work got in the : > way :-( : > : > Anyway, I have had another go at the flyer to try to focus more on our leg : > and to make a tear-off registration slip. : > : > I have taken a little bit of 'license' in building this, so if there is : > anything that you don't like please let me know. For instance:Doug, I'm not : > sure whether you volunteered to be the point man for registration, but I : > took the liberty to put your fax and e-mail on the registration form. : > : > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, the cost for colour printing is wild, : > so when you are viewing this make sure you select 'view in Black and White' : > to get the correct feel. : > : > I have formatted it for 81/2" x 14" paper so that the tear-off form can : > simply be folded up to make it regular 81/2" x 11" paper size. I haven't : > printed it out yet, because I haven't any long paper at home. I'll check it : > with the printers at work to make sure that the layout works. : > : > Please be critical. : > : > Thanks : > : > Dave : > : > : > : > : > : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ : > Name: back page.BMP : > back page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) : > Encoding: base64 : > : > Name: Front page.BMP : > Front page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) : > Encoding: base64 : : From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 22:20:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Apr 28 21:20:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 In-Reply-To: <01f401c30df1$d60691a0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: Great work Gregory !!! In terms of displays, handouts, etc., let us know what you might need, and we'll put something together. Also, it sounds as though a few of us will be there, so if there is any support you need people wise, also let us know. Robert put together a nice brochure (see http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Brochure.pdf ) that I'm sure we could coerce him into updating. I'll be updating the route this week from inputs I have received, so this will be up to date. Anything else you can think of, let us know. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk | |Well, as you can see from the message below, we are officially set for the |Van Dusen show, 2004. I will be aggressively following up with this. | Gregory | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Patrick Stewart" |To: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" |Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:12 PM |Subject: Re: Van Dusen 2004 | | |: Dear Gregory. |: Thanks for your kind comments about ABFM. |: Your timing couldn't be more fortunate. This year's ABFM will be featured |on |: Speed Channel's 'My Classic Car " hosted by the well known Dennis Gage. |Check |: out www.myclassiccar.com. This show is viewed by several million car nuts |: throughout North America. To take advantage of this publicity you should |arrange |: for a Jaguar of 'particular interest' to be at VanDusen. Dennis likes to |: interview cars owner with a particularly good story to tell so if you can |: arrange this I will pass on the information and hopefully he will include |it in |: his broadcast. |: Some sort of flyers promoting your event would also work. They should be |: displayed at the ABFM information tent this year in advance of |the event.. |: Regarding 2004.There is no problem registering additional cars in the Jag |: section as there is additional space available. You could also have a |small |: display with a map |: and details of the tour. |: Featured marque is not possible since that happened in 2002. I'm sure we |can |: work out something to recognise your group and make them feel |welcome...the Fri |: night reception may well be the place for that. Also there is a special |room |: rate at the Abercorn ,our host hotel. Also special parking. |: Let me know if these suggestions work for you. |: Cheers |: Patrick. |: |: Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: |: |: > Mr Stewart: I have participated in the wonderful Van Dusen show for |many |: > years, and I'd like to thank you for the effort that goes into it. It |: > provides so much pleasure for so many. |: > I am writing because I am involved as a section coordinator for the |2004 |: > Jaguar Owners North American Tour ("JONAT"; please see the attached |: > material). This tour begins in April in Orlando, Florida and makes a |circuit |: > of North America. The entry point for the Canadian portion will be |Victoria, |: > proceeding to Vancouver, and on to the Okanagan, Banff, |Calgary... There |: > will be participants from both Canada and the US, and as far away as |: > Australia and South Africa, although as we are in the prliminary stages |of |: > planning, numbers are not yet known. Many will make only one leg of the |: > tour, some will do the whole thing. We expect the section covering |Victoria |: > and Vancouver to be especially popular because we have timed it |specifically |: > to coincide with the 2004 Van Dusen show. We expect that virtually all |of |: > the registrants of JONAT on this leg will want to show their |cars on the |: > field. |: > My purpose here is 1) to give you a preliminary notice of this so |that |: > some extra space for Jaguars can be accomodated (the extra |numbers might |be |: > 25 in total; many of the participants on this leg, such as myself, |already |: > show regularly at Van Dusen) ; and 2) to ask if there could be any sort |of |: > official or semi-official recognition of the JONAT tour at next year's |show. |: > Featured marque? or ...? |: > This will be a very exciting tour in many ways, and will introduce |this |: > part of Canada to many of our southern cousins. A warm welcome at Van |Dusen |: > would certainly be an impressive start to the Canadian part of |the tour. |: > I look forward to hearing your reaction to this proposal. A number |of |: > the section coordinators will be at Van Dusen this year, some for the |first |: > time specifically to "check out" the show in anticipation of next year. |: > |: > sincerely, |: > |: > Gregory Andrachuk |: > |: | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |: > |: > Subject: JONAT Flyer (rev 2) |: > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:07:47 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) |: > From: David and Barbara Cooke |: > To: Doug Ingram , "Andrachuck, Gregory" | |: > CC: pgill@istar.ca |: > |: > Gregory and Doug: |: > |: > Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you on this. Work got in |the |: > way :-( |: > |: > Anyway, I have had another go at the flyer to try to focus more on our |leg |: > and to make a tear-off registration slip. |: > |: > I have taken a little bit of 'license' in building this, so if there is |: > anything that you don't like please let me know. For instance:Doug, I'm |not |: > sure whether you volunteered to be the point man for |registration, but I |: > took the liberty to put your fax and e-mail on the registration form. |: > |: > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, the cost for colour printing is |wild, |: > so when you are viewing this make sure you select 'view in Black and |White' |: > to get the correct feel. |: > |: > I have formatted it for 81/2" x 14" paper so that the tear-off form can |: > simply be folded up to make it regular 81/2" x 11" paper size. I |haven't |: > printed it out yet, because I haven't any long paper at home. |I'll check |it |: > with the printers at work to make sure that the layout works. |: > |: > Please be critical. |: > |: > Thanks |: > |: > Dave |: > |: > |: > |: > |: > |: | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |: > Name: back page.BMP |: > back page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) |: > Encoding: base64 |: > |: > Name: Front page.BMP |: > Front page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) |: > Encoding: base64 |: |: | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 00:11:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon Apr 28 23:11:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <011701c30da7$5d3ec480$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <3EAE0ACC.8ADE68D6@interworld.net> Jerry, Jerry Jerry: Add three can of water! They are public roads and anyone can drive on them but it is a Jaguar event. I am sure no one wants to repeat the "incident of ...." where was that place in Tennessee? It should be primarily a Jaguar event. We will recruit Jaguar owners and drivers. I do not believe there will be an inquisition along the way. Ron Ron Rader Regional Coordinator – Los Angeles JONAT Jaguar Owners North America Tour 2004 http://jonat.org/ 1967 E FHC 1994 XJ6 1965 Healey BJ8 1989 Speedster (for sale) Jerry Mouton wrote: > Let's not forget that we're talking about the open, > public roads here. JONAT really won't have the > right to restrict anybody up to and including Ford > Excursions from riding the route if they want to. > > There was a recent National JCNA event at which > club members were verbally abused and chased away > from a ride. > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 12:42:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Tue Apr 29 11:42:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <011701c30da7$5d3ec480$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <3EAE0ACC.8ADE68D6@interworld.net> Message-ID: <022801c30e48$903c2200$6501a8c0@attbi.com> We certainly do not want anybody being chased away or harassed around here. Fazal, Bob and I are working on the JONAT "official" stance on this subject and will be posting a statement later this week. For now the primary issue seems to be whether other Marques are allowed. So we will be addressing this. Let me leave you with something to think over ... keep in mind this is primarily a Jaguar event not unlike many others held all over both Canada and the USA yearly. I'm sure we will find a comfortable position for most folks to "hang their hat on" and thereby set a guideline to follow. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA JONAT Executive Committee 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques > It should be primarily a Jaguar event. We will recruit Jaguar owners and > drivers. > Ron Rader > > Jerry Mouton wrote: > > > Let's not forget that we're talking about the open, > > public roads here. JONAT really won't have the > > right to restrict anybody up to and including Ford > > Excursions from riding the route if they want to. > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 18:19:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Steve Ferring) Date: Tue Apr 29 17:19:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques References: <002e01c30c19$1e8bf3f0$77214518@oemcomputer> <007801c30c1d$6a344060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <003b01c30c52$d0644670$0100a8c0@FAZAL> <00b301c30c58$a59f6d10$77214518@oemcomputer> <001101c30cde$4df1ef80$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <011701c30da7$5d3ec480$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <3EAE0ACC.8ADE68D6@interworld.net> <022801c30e48$903c2200$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EAF0826.75058F18@optonline.net> Jamie, Here in the east we have several Jaguar Touring Club members who own but cannot drive their cars on the tour. I have told these folks that they can join the tour at least in this region. It should not make a difference since we can position them as sweeps and they can work with those cars that have problems and perform other related tasks. Here we would like to see all british marques in the tour. Why not ask for a vote from your sector coordinators on what htey would expect or prefer? Steve Ferring NJ sector Jamie - JONAT wrote: > We certainly do not want anybody being chased away or harassed around here. > Fazal, Bob and I are working on the JONAT "official" stance on this subject > and will be posting a statement later this week. > > For now the primary issue seems to be whether other Marques are allowed. So > we will be addressing this. Let me leave you with something to think over > ... keep in mind this is primarily a Jaguar event not unlike many others > held all over both Canada and the USA yearly. I'm sure we will find a > comfortable position for most folks to "hang their hat on" and thereby set a > guideline to follow. > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > JONAT Executive Committee > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rader" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Jaguar or Jag plus others? - Marques > > > > It should be primarily a Jaguar event. We will recruit Jaguar owners and > > drivers. > > > Ron Rader > > > > Jerry Mouton wrote: > > > > > Let's not forget that we're talking about the open, > > > public roads here. JONAT really won't have the > > > right to restrict anybody up to and including Ford > > > Excursions from riding the route if they want to. > > > > > > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps > rouler!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 20:33:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Apr 29 19:33:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 References: <01f401c30df1$d60691a0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <010601c30e28$dbe478d0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Excellent work, Greg. Looks like the VD show is going to be a high-point of the Tour. As for the 'Jaguar of particular interest', how about you & one of your V12's with the accompanying story of how JONAT came to be? Something along the lines of what was on the original web pages. http://fazalcader.homestead.com/NART1~ie4.html Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 > Well, as you can see from the message below, we are officially set for the > Van Dusen show, 2004. I will be aggressively following up with this. > Gregory > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Stewart" > To: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: Van Dusen 2004 > > > : Dear Gregory. > : Thanks for your kind comments about ABFM. > : Your timing couldn't be more fortunate. This year's ABFM will be featured > on > : Speed Channel's 'My Classic Car " hosted by the well known Dennis Gage. > Check > : out www.myclassiccar.com. This show is viewed by several million car nuts > : throughout North America. To take advantage of this publicity you should > arrange > : for a Jaguar of 'particular interest' to be at VanDusen. Dennis likes to > : interview cars owner with a particularly good story to tell so if you can > : arrange this I will pass on the information and hopefully he will include > it in > : his broadcast. > : Some sort of flyers promoting your event would also work. They should be > : displayed at the ABFM information tent this year in advance of the event.. > : Regarding 2004.There is no problem registering additional cars in the Jag > : section as there is additional space available. You could also have a > small > : display with a map > : and details of the tour. > : Featured marque is not possible since that happened in 2002. I'm sure we > can > : work out something to recognise your group and make them feel > welcome...the Fri > : night reception may well be the place for that. Also there is a special > room > : rate at the Abercorn ,our host hotel. Also special parking. > : Let me know if these suggestions work for you. > : Cheers > : Patrick. > : > : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > : > : > Mr Stewart: I have participated in the wonderful Van Dusen show for > many > : > years, and I'd like to thank you for the effort that goes into it. It > : > provides so much pleasure for so many. > : > I am writing because I am involved as a section coordinator for the > 2004 > : > Jaguar Owners North American Tour ("JONAT"; please see the attached > : > material). This tour begins in April in Orlando, Florida and makes a > circuit > : > of North America. The entry point for the Canadian portion will be > Victoria, > : > proceeding to Vancouver, and on to the Okanagan, Banff, Calgary... There > : > will be participants from both Canada and the US, and as far away as > : > Australia and South Africa, although as we are in the prliminary stages > of > : > planning, numbers are not yet known. Many will make only one leg of the > : > tour, some will do the whole thing. We expect the section covering > Victoria > : > and Vancouver to be especially popular because we have timed it > specifically > : > to coincide with the 2004 Van Dusen show. We expect that virtually all > of > : > the registrants of JONAT on this leg will want to show their cars on the > : > field. > : > My purpose here is 1) to give you a preliminary notice of this so > that > : > some extra space for Jaguars can be accomodated (the extra numbers might > be > : > 25 in total; many of the participants on this leg, such as myself, > already > : > show regularly at Van Dusen) ; and 2) to ask if there could be any sor t > of > : > official or semi-official recognition of the JONAT tour at next year's > show. > : > Featured marque? or ...? > : > This will be a very exciting tour in many ways, and will introduce > this > : > part of Canada to many of our southern cousins. A warm welcome at Van > Dusen > : > would certainly be an impressive start to the Canadian part of the tour. > : > I look forward to hearing your reaction to this proposal. A number > of > : > the section coordinators will be at Van Dusen this year, some for the > first > : > time specifically to "check out" the show in anticipation of next year. > : > > : > sincerely, > : > > : > Gregory Andrachuk > : > > : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > : > > : > Subject: JONAT Flyer (rev 2) > : > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:07:47 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > : > From: David and Barbara Cooke > : > To: Doug Ingram , "Andrachuck, Gregory" > : > CC: pgill@istar.ca > : > > : > Gregory and Doug: > : > > : > Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you on this. Work got in > the > : > way :-( > : > > : > Anyway, I have had another go at the flyer to try to focus more on our > leg > : > and to make a tear-off registration slip. > : > > : > I have taken a little bit of 'license' in building this, so if there is > : > anything that you don't like please let me know. For instance:Doug, I'm > not > : > sure whether you volunteered to be the point man for registration, but I > : > took the liberty to put your fax and e-mail on the registration form. > : > > : > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, the cost for colour printing is > wild, > : > so when you are viewing this make sure you select 'view in Black and > White' > : > to get the correct feel. > : > > : > I have formatted it for 81/2" x 14" paper so that the tear-off form can > : > simply be folded up to make it regular 81/2" x 11" paper size. I > haven't > : > printed it out yet, because I haven't any long paper at home. I'll check > it > : > with the printers at work to make sure that the layout works. > : > > : > Please be critical. > : > > : > Thanks > : > > : > Dave > : > > : > > : > > : > > : > > : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > : > Name: back page.BMP > : > back page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) > : > Encoding: base64 > : > > : > Name: Front page.BMP > : > Front page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) > : > Encoding: base64 > : > : > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 20:59:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Apr 29 19:59:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 References: <01f401c30df1$d60691a0$77214518@LaptopG> <010601c30e28$dbe478d0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <016201c30ebb$e7976dc0$77214518@LaptopG> Fazal: Thanks for the note. Yes, "faut de mieux" it may turn out to be me and one of my V12 cars, if there is in fact an interview. We'll see. The main thing will be to have information to hand out at van Dusen, and we will make sure that happens. The total number of cars shown is well over 500, with perhaps 50 or 60 Jaguars of all types and model years, organised logically (early saloons, E-types, XJS, late saloons...). The number of people that visit these beautiful gardens for the show is truly impressive, so this is an excellent occasion for advertising. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 : Excellent work, Greg. Looks like the VD show is going to be a high-point of : the Tour. As for the 'Jaguar of particular interest', how about you & one of : your V12's with the accompanying story of how JONAT came to be? Something : along the lines of what was on the original web pages. : http://fazalcader.homestead.com/NART1~ie4.html : : Fazal Cader : Executive Committee, ISC - Australia : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org : April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" : To: : Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:51 AM : Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 : : : > Well, as you can see from the message below, we are officially set for the : > Van Dusen show, 2004. I will be aggressively following up with this. : > Gregory : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Patrick Stewart" : > To: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" : > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:12 PM : > Subject: Re: Van Dusen 2004 : > : > : > : Dear Gregory. : > : Thanks for your kind comments about ABFM. : > : Your timing couldn't be more fortunate. This year's ABFM will be : featured : > on : > : Speed Channel's 'My Classic Car " hosted by the well known Dennis Gage. : > Check : > : out www.myclassiccar.com. This show is viewed by several million car : nuts : > : throughout North America. To take advantage of this publicity you should : > arrange : > : for a Jaguar of 'particular interest' to be at VanDusen. Dennis likes to : > : interview cars owner with a particularly good story to tell so if you : can : > : arrange this I will pass on the information and hopefully he will : include : > it in : > : his broadcast. : > : Some sort of flyers promoting your event would also work. They should be : > : displayed at the ABFM information tent this year in advance of the : event.. : > : Regarding 2004.There is no problem registering additional cars in the : Jag : > : section as there is additional space available. You could also have a : > small : > : display with a map : > : and details of the tour. : > : Featured marque is not possible since that happened in 2002. I'm sure we : > can : > : work out something to recognise your group and make them feel : > welcome...the Fri : > : night reception may well be the place for that. Also there is a special : > room : > : rate at the Abercorn ,our host hotel. Also special parking. : > : Let me know if these suggestions work for you. : > : Cheers : > : Patrick. : > : : > : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : > : : > : > Mr Stewart: I have participated in the wonderful Van Dusen show for : > many : > : > years, and I'd like to thank you for the effort that goes into it. It : > : > provides so much pleasure for so many. : > : > I am writing because I am involved as a section coordinator for : the : > 2004 : > : > Jaguar Owners North American Tour ("JONAT"; please see the attached : > : > material). This tour begins in April in Orlando, Florida and makes a : > circuit : > : > of North America. The entry point for the Canadian portion will be : > Victoria, : > : > proceeding to Vancouver, and on to the Okanagan, Banff, Calgary... : There : > : > will be participants from both Canada and the US, and as far away as : > : > Australia and South Africa, although as we are in the prliminary : stages : > of : > : > planning, numbers are not yet known. Many will make only one leg of : the : > : > tour, some will do the whole thing. We expect the section covering : > Victoria : > : > and Vancouver to be especially popular because we have timed it : > specifically : > : > to coincide with the 2004 Van Dusen show. We expect that virtually all : > of : > : > the registrants of JONAT on this leg will want to show their cars on : the : > : > field. : > : > My purpose here is 1) to give you a preliminary notice of this so : > that : > : > some extra space for Jaguars can be accomodated (the extra numbers : might : > be : > : > 25 in total; many of the participants on this leg, such as myself, : > already : > : > show regularly at Van Dusen) ; and 2) to ask if there could be any sor : t : > of : > : > official or semi-official recognition of the JONAT tour at next year's : > show. : > : > Featured marque? or ...? : > : > This will be a very exciting tour in many ways, and will introduce : > this : > : > part of Canada to many of our southern cousins. A warm welcome at Van : > Dusen : > : > would certainly be an impressive start to the Canadian part of the : tour. : > : > I look forward to hearing your reaction to this proposal. A number : > of : > : > the section coordinators will be at Van Dusen this year, some for the : > first : > : > time specifically to "check out" the show in anticipation of next : year. : > : > : > : > sincerely, : > : > : > : > Gregory Andrachuk : > : > : > : : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ : > : > : > : > Subject: JONAT Flyer (rev 2) : > : > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:07:47 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) : > : > From: David and Barbara Cooke : > : > To: Doug Ingram , "Andrachuck, Gregory" : : > : > CC: pgill@istar.ca : > : > : > : > Gregory and Doug: : > : > : > : > Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you on this. Work got in : > the : > : > way :-( : > : > : > : > Anyway, I have had another go at the flyer to try to focus more on our : > leg : > : > and to make a tear-off registration slip. : > : > : > : > I have taken a little bit of 'license' in building this, so if there : is : > : > anything that you don't like please let me know. For instance:Doug, : I'm : > not : > : > sure whether you volunteered to be the point man for registration, but : I : > : > took the liberty to put your fax and e-mail on the registration form. : > : > : > : > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, the cost for colour printing is : > wild, : > : > so when you are viewing this make sure you select 'view in Black and : > White' : > : > to get the correct feel. : > : > : > : > I have formatted it for 81/2" x 14" paper so that the tear-off form : can : > : > simply be folded up to make it regular 81/2" x 11" paper size. I : > haven't : > : > printed it out yet, because I haven't any long paper at home. I'll : check : > it : > : > with the printers at work to make sure that the layout works. : > : > : > : > Please be critical. : > : > : > : > Thanks : > : > : > : > Dave : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ : > : > Name: back page.BMP : > : > back page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) : > : > Encoding: base64 : > : > : > : > Name: Front page.BMP : > : > Front page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) : > : > Encoding: base64 : > : : > : : > : > _______________________________________________ : > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > www.jonat.org : > _______________________________________________ : > : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 23:23:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue Apr 29 22:23:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Van Dusen 2004 In-Reply-To: <028f01c30e17$e9c14520$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: Gregory I agree 100% - the VDABFM will be a great event to link with. Also, the brochure Dave made up is quite good. I like the slogan he's used. I though others might gain inspiration from the brochure, so have put it on the Victoria/Vancouver information webpage at: http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_Vancouver.htm by clicking on "Click Here to see a PDF Sector Brochure" With regards to the cost of printing, as we have no seed money, we should probably start seriously thinking of local sponsorship money for things like this. To get some constancy across the group, perhaps some feedback would be in order as to where we start to look for this funding. Ideas? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk [mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca] |Sent: April 29, 2003 12:24 AM |To: engl@jonat.org |Subject: Re: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 | | |Bob: Thanks for the offer of help, gratefully received. Our Dave Cooke has |made up a great "local" brochure which would be just the thing for Van |Dusen, but the cost of colour printing is a problem. This is too good an |opportunity to miss though, so we will follow through with it. The |Van Dusen |show is truly an event worth attending, and with some official suppot from |them, should make a very nice entreé into Canada (Victoria being the |antipasto, so to speak). Attached is the brochure that Dave has made. | Gregory |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Bob" |To: |Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:18 PM |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Fw: Van Dusen 2004 | | |: Great work Gregory !!! |: |: In terms of displays, handouts, etc., let us know what you might |need, and |: we'll put something together. Also, it sounds as though a few of us will |be |: there, so if there is any support you need people wise, also let us know. |: Robert put together a nice brochure (see |: http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Brochure.pdf ) that I'm sure we could coerce |him |: into updating. I'll be updating the route this week from inputs I have |: received, so this will be up to date. Anything else you can |think of, let |: us know. |: |: Bob England |: '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 |: Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) |: Route Coordinator |: http://www.jonat.org |: |: |: |: |-----Original Message----- |: |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |: |Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk |: | |: |Well, as you can see from the message below, we are officially set for |the |: |Van Dusen show, 2004. I will be aggressively following up with this. |: | Gregory |: | |: |----- Original Message ----- |: |From: "Patrick Stewart" |: |To: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" |: |Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:12 PM |: |Subject: Re: Van Dusen 2004 |: | |: | |: |: Dear Gregory. |: |: Thanks for your kind comments about ABFM. |: |: Your timing couldn't be more fortunate. This year's ABFM will be |featured |: |on |: |: Speed Channel's 'My Classic Car " hosted by the well known |Dennis Gage. |: |Check |: |: out www.myclassiccar.com. This show is viewed by several million car |nuts |: |: throughout North America. To take advantage of this publicity you |should |: |arrange |: |: for a Jaguar of 'particular interest' to be at VanDusen. Dennis likes |to |: |: interview cars owner with a particularly good story to tell so if you |can |: |: arrange this I will pass on the information and hopefully he will |include |: |it in |: |: his broadcast. |: |: Some sort of flyers promoting your event would also work. They should |be |: |: displayed at the ABFM information tent this year in advance of |: |the event.. |: |: Regarding 2004.There is no problem registering additional cars in the |Jag |: |: section as there is additional space available. You could also have a |: |small |: |: display with a map |: |: and details of the tour. |: |: Featured marque is not possible since that happened in 2002. I'm sure |we |: |can |: |: work out something to recognise your group and make them feel |: |welcome...the Fri |: |: night reception may well be the place for that. Also there is |a special |: |room |: |: rate at the Abercorn ,our host hotel. Also special parking. |: |: Let me know if these suggestions work for you. |: |: Cheers |: |: Patrick. |: |: |: |: Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: |: |: |: |: > Mr Stewart: I have participated in the wonderful Van Dusen show for |: |many |: |: > years, and I'd like to thank you for the effort that goes |into it. It |: |: > provides so much pleasure for so many. |: |: > I am writing because I am involved as a section coordinator for |the |: |2004 |: |: > Jaguar Owners North American Tour ("JONAT"; please see the attached |: |: > material). This tour begins in April in Orlando, Florida and makes a |: |circuit |: |: > of North America. The entry point for the Canadian portion will be |: |Victoria, |: |: > proceeding to Vancouver, and on to the Okanagan, Banff, |: |Calgary... There |: |: > will be participants from both Canada and the US, and as far away as |: |: > Australia and South Africa, although as we are in the prliminary |stages |: |of |: |: > planning, numbers are not yet known. Many will make only one leg of |the |: |: > tour, some will do the whole thing. We expect the section covering |: |Victoria |: |: > and Vancouver to be especially popular because we have timed it |: |specifically |: |: > to coincide with the 2004 Van Dusen show. We expect that virtually |all |: |of |: |: > the registrants of JONAT on this leg will want to show their |: |cars on the |: |: > field. |: |: > My purpose here is 1) to give you a preliminary notice of this |so |: |that |: |: > some extra space for Jaguars can be accomodated (the extra |: |numbers might |: |be |: |: > 25 in total; many of the participants on this leg, such as myself, |: |already |: |: > show regularly at Van Dusen) ; and 2) to ask if there could be any |sort |: |of |: |: > official or semi-official recognition of the JONAT tour at next |year's |: |show. |: |: > Featured marque? or ...? |: |: > This will be a very exciting tour in many ways, and will |introduce |: |this |: |: > part of Canada to many of our southern cousins. A warm |welcome at Van |: |Dusen |: |: > would certainly be an impressive start to the Canadian part of |: |the tour. |: |: > I look forward to hearing your reaction to this proposal. A |number |: |of |: |: > the section coordinators will be at Van Dusen this year, |some for the |: |first |: |: > time specifically to "check out" the show in anticipation of next |year. |: |: > |: |: > sincerely, |: |: > |: |: > Gregory Andrachuk |: |: > |: |: |: | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |: |: > |: |: > Subject: JONAT Flyer (rev 2) |: |: > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:07:47 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) |: |: > From: David and Barbara Cooke |: |: > To: Doug Ingram , "Andrachuck, Gregory" |: | |: |: > CC: pgill@istar.ca |: |: > |: |: > Gregory and Doug: |: |: > |: |: > Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you on this. |Work got in |: |the |: |: > way :-( |: |: > |: |: > Anyway, I have had another go at the flyer to try to focus more on |our |: |leg |: |: > and to make a tear-off registration slip. |: |: > |: |: > I have taken a little bit of 'license' in building this, so if there |is |: |: > anything that you don't like please let me know. For instance:Doug, |I'm |: |not |: |: > sure whether you volunteered to be the point man for |: |registration, but I |: |: > took the liberty to put your fax and e-mail on the |registration form. |: |: > |: |: > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, the cost for colour |printing is |: |wild, |: |: > so when you are viewing this make sure you select 'view in Black and |: |White' |: |: > to get the correct feel. |: |: > |: |: > I have formatted it for 81/2" x 14" paper so that the tear-off form |can |: |: > simply be folded up to make it regular 81/2" x 11" paper size. I |: |haven't |: |: > printed it out yet, because I haven't any long paper at home. |: |I'll check |: |it |: |: > with the printers at work to make sure that the layout works. |: |: > |: |: > Please be critical. |: |: > |: |: > Thanks |: |: > |: |: > Dave |: |: > |: |: > |: |: > |: |: > |: |: > |: |: |: | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |: |: > Name: back page.BMP |: |: > back page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) |: |: > Encoding: base64 |: |: > |: |: > Name: Front page.BMP |: |: > Front page.BMP Type: Bitmap Image (image/bmp) |: |: > Encoding: base64 |: |: |: |: |: | |: |_______________________________________________ |: |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |: |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |: |www.jonat.org |: |_______________________________________________ |: | |: |: _______________________________________________ |: JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |: REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |: www.jonat.org |: _______________________________________________ |