[JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff

Mon Apr 7 18:21:01 2003

We'll see, that's not a bad idea.

Jamie Duffey
JONAT Executive Committee
http://www.jonat.org/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fried and Gayle" <fried13@comcast.net>
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Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff

> Jamie,
> If you are going to emulate Dr G's voluminous book on JagCare - perhaps
the
> best way is to publish it for download rather than hardcopy - let others
> (us) foot the cost for paper and ink -
> As a footnote - I have saved every and all emails regarding JONAT since
its
> inception -
> What about the "time capsule" idea I facetiously floated earlier? ;-}
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:27 AM
> To: jonat@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [JONAT] Handbook & Misc Handoff
>
>
> The "decals" are in work at this time.  So that is a valid item for the
> "package".
>
> An idea just crossed my mind ... what about a small booklet at the end of
> the Tour to document each year's Tour and to have a memento of the Tour
for
> each registrant?  Nothing too expensive but "interesting, similar to Dr.
> Andrachuk's JagCare series?  It could include maps of the Tour route and
> specifics on each Sector's highlights.
>
> Now the thought keeps developing ... should this be an optional item which
> can be ordered at the end of the Tour?  Or perhaps this should be a part
of
> the Tour itself.  As in maybe this is how someone can have the route maps
> with them for the entire Tour without having to access the web (not all of
> us have laptops).  The cost could be included in the price of the entry
fee.
> This could be part of the handouts at the beginning of each Sector where a
> member actually starts their portion of the Tour.  Or better I guess they
> could be mailed to each registered Tourer prior to the start date in
> Orlando.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jamie
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Ron wrote:
> > I like the idea of selling the complete route book and 2 car decals,
> > for door mounting.
> > The decals create an Affinity group as you drive.
> > ron R LA
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Mark Stephenson wrote:
> > > I'm kind of ambivalent about fees. On one hand, I can see having
> > > them to offset costs. On the other, members of our club have put
> > > together runs
> > using
> > > maps and the Internet and it didn't cost us a dime. Consequently it
> didn't
> > > cost anything to take part. Having put together a 1000 mile 3-day
> > > event,
> > and
> > > putting everything on-line, as I suggested in an earlier post, I'm
> trying
> > to
> > > think of what costs we'll have. Website hosting?
> > > I think if there is any charge, it should be nominal, but if it's
> nominal,
> > > then the question becomes, will administering it be more hassle than
> it's
> > > worth? What if someone, only wants to do part of the route? A per
> > > mile charge? If the cost is not nominal, then we have the problem of
> > > people taking the route and not paying. They are public roads after
> > > all. IMHO, we need to think more in terms of having people pay for
> > > what they
> > use.
> > > Let's not charge for a sector, let's charge for the route book(s) --
> take
> > > orders and have them ready for the people who order them. How do you
> make
> > > the route book an added value item? On-line, we'd have the barebones
> route
> > > direction. The route book would include stories of items of interest
> > > in
> > our
> > > sectors, articles of historical interest that give local flavor. If
> > someone
> > > wants to print the basic route from the web site, no charge. Here's
> > > another idea (Oh, no! I'm brainstorming): Let's have the SCs come
> > up
> > > with commemorative items for each leg of the route -- pins, hats,
> > > very regional things, like a cactus sculpture for Arizona, would get
> > > my
> vote --
> > > engraved with the tour, sector and year. Do we want a poster? Our
> > > logo
> is
> > > excellent and would look fantastic as part of a detailed 2x3 ft. map
> > > of
> > the
> > > tour. Back to the route book: the cover is the poster. We sell ads
> > > (sponsorships) and place (recognize) them in the program.
> > > I know this isn't the JCNA Challenge Championship, but there's no
> > > reason
> > we
> > > can't get some sponsors. Dennis Eynon raised $75,000 from sponsors
> > > for
> the
> > > CC here. That's why people who show up are getting about $400 worth
> > > of meals, gifts and goodies for $259, (and why, if you haven't made
> > > arrangements to be here, you'll be kicking yourself :-> --
> > > http://www.jcna.com/library/jcc03/index.html for all the details.)
> > > There's no reason why we couldn't get $10K to offset our costs,
> depending
> > on
> > > how many people we have. The sponsorships cover our initial costs.
> > > We
> sell
> > > the route book(s)/posters at our cost or for a little profit
> > > recouping
> the
> > > sponsorship money so we have something to start the next JONAT. We
> > > sell
> > the
> > > sector mementos for a little profit, which might be distributed to
> > > the
> SCs
> > > and their helpers to cover a miniscule portion of their hard work,
> > > or perhaps we cover the SCs, etc. We just have to work out the
> > > details,
> > things
> > > like books for each sector vs. a big book for the whole route. Hey,
> > > how about a binder to hold them all. (Sorry, brainstorming again.)
> > > I've done so much organizing for the CC that I have names,
> > > suppliers,
> etc.
> > > for people who can do all this stuff.
> > > Mark - AZ
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Jamie wrote:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:53 AM
> > > I find myself agreeing with most of what Fazal is saying on the
> > > fees.
> As
> > > with anything though, I'm thinking there will be the occasional
> straggler
> > > who didn't pay for a certain Sector.  For these I suggest we bump
> > > the "central JONAT fee" by a small amount to help a Sector defray
> > > costs as
> > there
> > > may be some involved with setup coordination and Handbook
> > > generation.
> Or
> > > this could be handled at the Sector level.
> > > Remember we aren't doing this to make money. (darn it!)  So my
> > > proposal
> is
> > > that any excess moneys collected during the Tour be donated to
> > > either a single charity or a handful we all agree on.  This charity
> > > idea has been
> a
> > > part of the initial concept from the beginning.  It like most
> > > everything else has not been firmed up yet due to priorities so far.
> > > But it (they)
> > are
> > > coming.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Fazal wrote:
> > > Definitely. A check-in desk at every 'Sector HQ' would be a great
> > > help.
> > I'm
> > > assuming this would be the hotel/motel that the bulk of the people
> > > book into. The binder given at the start should contain the overall
> > > route, all SC contact numbers, etc. At each check-in desk, in each
> > > sector, should be another 'glad bag' with the standardized route
> > > info plus any sponsorship stuff <grin> that we may be lucky to get.
> > > I sincerely feel that there should be a JONAT fee plus a fee/sector
> > > travelled. The more you travel, the more you pay. This would cover
both
> > > JONAT admin costs as well as Sector fees. The SC can then be
re-imbursed
> > for
> > > that sectors expenses. You will have to do some estimates of costs
> > > and
> > work
> > > out the fees.
> > > [THOUGHT: we will need a classy looking, weather proof sticker for
> > > the windscreen to identify JONAT cars. Preferably one tat can be
> > > seen & identified from a small distance away. The stickers should be
> > > serial numbered and the list distributed to SC's so that we can
> > > ensure that
> > people
> > > have paid for the sectors travelled.]
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Mike O'Brien wrote:
> > > I would like to offer my view on the sector briefings. First where
> > > and when.  While some folks may caravan this route there
> will
> > be
> > > many who will take their own time. My view is to set up a place at
> > > the entrance to the recommended hotel where each participant can
> > > stop on
> their
> > > way into the hotel and get what they need for the next sector. If
> > > there
> is
> > a
> > > gathering it will be less encumbered by not having to stop what
> > > should
> be
> > > casual enterainment to brief folks on administration.
> > > Second- what: A binder with 10 pages per sector will have 350 pages
> > > plus local maps for those going around the whole route. People will
> > > likely be tired and not too appreciative of having to read a pile of
> > > bumpf on
> > arrival.
> > > Keep this simple. a one page map with instructions per leg  plus a
> > > recommendation for dinner at the next stop and lunch along the way
> > > and places of interest. Print on both sides of the paper-maximum  2
> > > pages
> per
> > > leg. Make sure that the person manning the "booth" at the hotel is
> > > knowledgeable about everything that is being given to participants.
> > > Third: Cost. It won't be difficult to produce a few pages for each
> > > of
> say
> > 50
> > > cars but if you get into giving away maps ($3.00 each) this could
> > > become
> a
> > > burden and will not be covered by the route entry fee. Are we
> considering
> > an
> > > extra charge per sector? Fundraising may be possible but may not
> > > work everywhere.
> > > Conclusion: Simple, flexible friendly.
> > > Jamie wrote:
> > > Perhaps these "hand-offs" can be held at the end of the 'last day'
> > > in a "previous" Sector, like either during a dinner get together for
> > > some of
> us
> > > and/or available at the 'main' hotel/motel we may choose for a
> > > gathering place for the evening before we enter a new Sector the
> > > next day. Gregory is correct in thinking it won't be near as fun if
> > > we are too
> > rigid,
> > > but I'd like to think we will pull our numbers together often along
> > > the route and show a high visibility to the public, thus making a
> > > statement about Jaguars that goes beyond "gee look at that car".  I
> > > like to see us make an impact on the "local" public.  Maybe we might
> > > even make the
> local
> > > news hour as we pass through a Sector.  Again the perfect
> > > opportunity is
> > at
> > > least everyother day as we come to rest for the evening at a
> > > specific
> > stop.
> > > Then the next morning there should be an "official starting time,
> > > again
> to
> > > show a multitude of Jaguars starting off at once.
> > > Hey, this is just a kind of wish list, I don't want to get too
> regimented
> > > either.  So I'm just throwing things out on the table for discussion
> here.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Bob wrote:
> > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 PM
> > > Gregory ... you've made several good points, and ones I'd like all
> > > the SC's perhaps to comment on.  In fact, I did envision a hand-off
> > > point as
> a
> > > gathering to start the next Sector, which is why I liked end-of-day
> rather
> > > than mid-day hand-off-points.  And rather than "sitting by the side
> > > of
> the
> > > road for a day" type of approach, I saw a gathering at a certain
> > > place
> at
> > > a certain time, with perhaps a fifteen minute or half hour
> > > orientation. I'm also thinking of handing over more than the route
> > > maps.  A good list of places to eat, stay, shop, get the car fixed,
> > > etc., free local
> goodies
> > > (i.e. pens that don't work, coupons for stuff you don't need - you
> > > know,
> > the
> > > usual!).  Emergency phone numbers too.  Some good overall City and
> > > State/Province maps would be good too.  Not a book, but probably a
> > > good
> 10
> > > pages plus "stuff".
> > > Perhaps some of the others can chime in here and let us know what
> > > they have found has worked and what has not.  To a certain extent
> > > we're
> > breaking new
> > > ground here, but for the most part I think we can gain from others
> > > experiences. As you say, "less work = more fun".
> > > |-----Original Message-----
> > > |Gregory wrote:
> > > |Do you mean that the SC have to sit at the side of the road for
> > > |hours on end waiting for every individual to come by so that maps
> > > |can be handed over? I doubt that many of us have the time or
> > > |patience for that (I
> definitely
> > do
> > > |not). Registrants should be given maps ahead of time, or at some
> meeting
> > > |(say, a meeting point meal). This is not a rally, or at least I
> > > |don't see it that way. Suely adults can travel the route set out,
> > > |in
> > company with
> > > |others if desired, not having to be at a "check point" at any given
> time.
> > If we
> > > |make this too regimented, the pleasure disappears.
> > > |If I know that the group is meeting at a certain restaurant on a
> certain
> > > |day, at a certain time, I will be there. But I don't want to be at
> > > |"hand-off" point X at a certain time. The concept of a "hand-off"
> > > |point surely does not mean that one shepherd hands the flock to
> > > |another? It shouldmean that the next sector falls within the
> > > |planning
> > responsibility of
> > > |the next Section Coordinator.
> > > |Please, let's make this fun, not work.
> > > |Gregory
> >
> >
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