From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 1 22:58:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu May 1 21:58:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR In-Reply-To: <01de01c30aee$d134d2a0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3102C.7FEB7A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry I'm quite sure I've not got it quite right yet, but have updated the maps. Take a look at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_SanFrancisco.htm particularly look at the more detailed map. Let me know where I have gone off the route you were thinking about. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: April 24, 2003 11:52 PM Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful event. I have not really started planning the SF leg yet, but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some really great roads through the coast range. So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive, then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again, then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa Valley by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via roads TBD. That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3102C.7FEB7A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jerry
 
I'm quite sure I've = not got it=20 quite right yet, but have updated the maps.  Take a look at=20
http://jonat= .org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_SanFrancisco.htm
particularly look = at the more=20 detailed map.  Let me know where I have gone off the route you were = thinking about.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: April 24, 2003 = 11:52=20 PM

Great to be on the team -- this is = going to be a=20 wonderful
event.
 
I have not really started planning = the SF leg=20 yet,
but my thoughts are to mix it up a = little. =20 The original
plan is coastline all the way pretty = much, but we=20 have some really great
roads through the coast range. =20
 
So my thought would be dinner at SLO, = then
Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a = little=20
mountain run to see Mission San = Antonio de Pauda,=20 which is the
only California Mission still out in = its natural=20 habitat, no town.
 
To San Francisco through the redwood = forests and=20 skyline drive,
then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson = Beach, coastline=20 again,
then to Santa Rosa.  Napa Valley = the next=20 day, then maybe up Napa Valley
by Clear Lake then to Eureka or = another town=20 (depending) via
roads TBD. 
 
That way it's not just ocean on the = left every=20 day.
 
Or whatever turns out to be = best.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3102C.7FEB7A50-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 6 10:57:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Tue May 6 09:57:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: Message-ID: <00cb01c313e7$b8c99e60$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C313AD.0BEC2080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, I have not done any work on the route yet. =20 I will definitely work on the schedule of days and nights you set up, and the=20 idea in your detailed map is taking the right direction, but I think a few of those roads are dirt, and will need to change. I'll be looking at it in the next month or so --=20 so don't cast anything in concrete yet for=20 my route. We're open to changes as we go on, right? I will want to drive some of the route to check it out before making it final. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Jerry I'm quite sure I've not got it quite right yet, but have updated the = maps. Take a look at=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_SanFrancisco.htm particularly look at the more detailed map. Let me know where I have = gone off the route you were thinking about. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: April 24, 2003 11:52 PM Great to be on the team -- this is going to be a wonderful event. I have not really started planning the SF leg yet,=20 but my thoughts are to mix it up a little. The original plan is coastline all the way pretty much, but we have some really = great roads through the coast range. =20 So my thought would be dinner at SLO, then Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a little=20 mountain run to see Mission San Antonio de Pauda, which is the only California Mission still out in its natural habitat, no town. To San Francisco through the redwood forests and skyline drive,=20 then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson Beach, coastline again,=20 then to Santa Rosa. Napa Valley the next day, then maybe up Napa = Valley=20 by Clear Lake then to Eureka or another town (depending) via roads TBD. =20 That way it's not just ocean on the left every day. Or whatever turns out to be best. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C313AD.0BEC2080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,
 
I have not done any work on the route = yet. =20
I will definitely work on the schedule=20 of
days and nights you set up, and the =
idea in your detailed map is taking the = right
direction, but I think a few of those = roads=20 are
dirt, and will need to = change.
 
I'll be looking at it in the next month = or so --=20
so don't cast anything in concrete = yet for=20
my route.  We're open to changes = as we go=20 on,
right?  I will want to drive some = of the route=20 to check it
out before making it = final.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 = 8:56=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

Jerry
 
I'm quite sure = I've not got=20 it quite right yet, but have updated the maps.  Take a look at=20
http://jonat= .org/bob/JONAT_SECTORS_SanFrancisco.htm
particularly look = at the more=20 detailed map.  Let me know where I have gone off the route you = were=20 thinking about.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: April 24, 2003 = 11:52=20 PM

Great to be on the team -- this is = going to be=20 a wonderful
event.
 
I have not really started planning = the SF leg=20 yet,
but my thoughts are to mix it up a=20 little.  The original
plan is coastline all the way = pretty much, but=20 we have some really great
roads through the coast = range. =20
 
So my thought would be dinner at = SLO,=20 then
Hwy 1 up through Big Sur, maybe a = little=20
mountain run to see Mission San = Antonio de=20 Pauda, which is the
only California Mission still out = in its=20 natural habitat, no town.
 
To San Francisco through the = redwood forests=20 and skyline drive,
then maybe Mount Tam and Stinson = Beach,=20 coastline again,
then to Santa Rosa.  Napa = Valley the next=20 day, then maybe up Napa Valley
by Clear Lake then to Eureka or = another town=20 (depending) via
roads TBD. 
 
That way it's not just ocean on the = left every=20 day.
 
Or whatever turns out to be = best.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!"
------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C313AD.0BEC2080-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 6 18:56:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue May 6 17:56:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR In-Reply-To: <00cb01c313e7$b8c99e60$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C313F8.8429B990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Jerry. The most immediate need is days your sector takes to traverse. If I can fix on what has been preliminarily laid out for you, that is great until you have a chance to look at it in more detail. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:54 AM Bob, I have not done any work on the route yet. I will definitely work on the schedule of days and nights you set up, and the idea in your detailed map is taking the right direction, but I think a few of those roads are dirt, and will need to change. I'll be looking at it in the next month or so -- so don't cast anything in concrete yet for my route. We're open to changes as we go on, right? I will want to drive some of the route to check it out before making it final. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C313F8.8429B990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Jerry.  = The most=20 immediate need is days your sector takes to traverse.  If I can fix = on what=20 has been preliminarily laid out for you, that is great until you have a = chance=20 to look at it in more detail.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:54=20 AM

Bob,
 
I have not done any work on the route = yet. =20
I will definitely work on the = schedule=20 of
days and nights you set up, and the =
idea in your detailed map is taking = the=20 right
direction, but I think a few of those = roads=20 are
dirt, and will need to = change.
 
I'll be looking at it in the next = month or so --=20
so don't cast anything in = concrete yet for=20
my route.  We're open to changes = as we go=20 on,
right?  I will want to drive = some of the=20 route to check it
out before making it = final.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C313F8.8429B990-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 6 19:13:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue May 6 18:13:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: Message-ID: <010e01c3142d$1cdb3e00$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_4VWWBqq8gu0stlFalWTmaA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: Some reservations have been expressed by my friend Roy Gill about travelling to Whistler just before the Victoria day weekend. But I suppose this can be left to the discretion of participants, as long as they are in Vancouver for Friday, May 21. The trip from Vancouver through the Okanagan should not be rushed. And this will apply to other segments too, and I am thinking of the California, Oregon and Washington and Vancouver Island segments, and probably every other one. It is not a matter of counting how many hours it will take to go from A to B at 90 kmph. People should have the leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy gasoline, browse for antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a rally. That is why I *really* urge us to simply set a place and time for meetings (a meal, for example, and NOT necessarily daily). Less organisation, more fun. My wife is already looking forward to the Okanagan wine country; I know (because I have been married to her for 26 years) that we will be stopping, tasting, viewing. I will not be saying "But dear, we have only 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this segment". I want to stay married. Could we please loosen the schedule to allow for us hen-pecked types? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Thanks Jerry. The most immediate need is days your sector takes to traverse. If I can fix on what has been preliminarily laid out for you, that is great until you have a chance to look at it in more detail. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:54 AM Bob, I have not done any work on the route yet. I will definitely work on the schedule of days and nights you set up, and the idea in your detailed map is taking the right direction, but I think a few of those roads are dirt, and will need to change. I'll be looking at it in the next month or so -- so don't cast anything in concrete yet for my route. We're open to changes as we go on, right? I will want to drive some of the route to check it out before making it final. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" --Boundary_(ID_4VWWBqq8gu0stlFalWTmaA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob:
    Some reservations have been expressed by my friend Roy Gill about travelling to Whistler just before the Victoria day weekend. But I suppose this can be left to the discretion of participants, as long as they are in Vancouver for Friday, May 21.
    The trip from Vancouver through the Okanagan should not be rushed. And this will apply to other segments too, and I am thinking of the California, Oregon and Washington and Vancouver Island segments, and probably every other one. It is not a matter of counting how many hours it will take to go from A to B at 90 kmph. People should have the leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy gasoline, browse for antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a rally.
     That is why I *really* urge us to simply set a place and time for meetings (a meal, for example, and NOT necessarily daily). Less organisation, more fun.
    My wife is already looking forward to the Okanagan wine country; I know (because I have been married to her for 26 years) that we will be stopping, tasting, viewing. I will not be saying "But dear, we have only 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this segment". I want to stay married. Could we please loosen the schedule to allow for us hen-pecked types?
                                                    Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR

Thanks Jerry.  The most immediate need is days your sector takes to traverse.  If I can fix on what has been preliminarily laid out for you, that is great until you have a chance to look at it in more detail.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:54 AM

Bob,
 
I have not done any work on the route yet. 
I will definitely work on the schedule of
days and nights you set up, and the
idea in your detailed map is taking the right
direction, but I think a few of those roads are
dirt, and will need to change.
 
I'll be looking at it in the next month or so --
so don't cast anything in concrete yet for
my route.  We're open to changes as we go on,
right?  I will want to drive some of the route to check it
out before making it final.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
 
--Boundary_(ID_4VWWBqq8gu0stlFalWTmaA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 6 19:33:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue May 6 18:33:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: <010e01c3142d$1cdb3e00$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C313FD.84ADC460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory 100% in tune with what you are saying. As the various SC's send in their routes, I am "messaging" them to make sure they are leisurely enough to accommodate site seeing, and the potentially slower pace of Classics as opposed to moderns. On that note, I know some of you have not yet had the time to put together preliminary routes for me. I am going to start things by working my way from Orlando west, putting together routes that might work. Keep in mind I am not familiar with your part of the country, and am letting the computer pick the routes (that doesn't sound good does it?). Anyway, I would ask all of you who have not seen a map from me on your Sector to check your maps and sector weblink at www.jonat.org -----> The Tour -----> Maps It may take a few days to get them all there, but I would really like to get your feedback particularly on the amount of time it takes to go through your Sector. As Gregory noted, this is not a race. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 6:11 PM Bob: Some reservations have been expressed by my friend Roy Gill about travelling to Whistler just before the Victoria day weekend. But I suppose this can be left to the discretion of participants, as long as they are in Vancouver for Friday, May 21. The trip from Vancouver through the Okanagan should not be rushed. And this will apply to other segments too, and I am thinking of the California, Oregon and Washington and Vancouver Island segments, and probably every other one. It is not a matter of counting how many hours it will take to go from A to B at 90 kmph. People should have the leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy gasoline, browse for antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a rally. That is why I *really* urge us to simply set a place and time for meetings (a meal, for example, and NOT necessarily daily). Less organisation, more fun. My wife is already looking forward to the Okanagan wine country; I know (because I have been married to her for 26 years) that we will be stopping, tasting, viewing. I will not be saying "But dear, we have only 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this segment". I want to stay married. Could we please loosen the schedule to allow for us hen-pecked types? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C313FD.84ADC460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory
 
100% in tune with = what you are=20 saying.  As the various SC's send in their routes, I = am "messaging"=20 them to make sure they are leisurely enough to accommodate site seeing, = and the=20 potentially slower pace of Classics as opposed to = moderns.
 
On that note, I = know some of=20 you have not yet had the time to put together preliminary routes for = me.  I=20 am going to start things by working my way from Orlando west, putting = together=20 routes that might work.  Keep in mind I am not familiar with your = part of=20 the country, and am letting the computer pick the routes (that doesn't = sound=20 good does it?).  Anyway,  I would ask all of you who have = not=20 seen a map from me on your Sector to check your maps and sector weblink=20 at
www.jonat.org  -----> The Tour = ----->=20 Maps
 
It may take a few = days to get=20 them all there, but I would really like to get your feedback = particularly on the=20 amount of time it takes to go through your Sector.  As Gregory = noted, this=20 is not a race.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 6:11=20 PM

Bob:
    Some reservations = have been=20 expressed by my friend Roy Gill about travelling to Whistler just = before the=20 Victoria day weekend. But I suppose this can be left to the discretion = of=20 participants, as long as they are in Vancouver for Friday, May=20 21.
    The trip from = Vancouver=20 through the Okanagan should not be rushed. And this will apply to = other=20 segments too, and I am thinking of the California, Oregon and = Washington and=20 Vancouver Island segments, and probably every other one. It is not a = matter of=20 counting how many hours it will take to go from A to B at 90 kmph. = People=20 should have the leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy = gasoline,=20 browse for antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a=20 rally.
     That is why = I *really*=20 urge us to simply set a place and time for meetings (a meal, for = example, and=20 NOT necessarily daily). Less organisation, more fun.
    My wife is already = looking=20 forward to the Okanagan wine country; I know (because I have been = married to=20 her for 26 years) that we will be stopping, tasting, viewing. I will = not be=20 saying "But dear, we have only 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this = segment".=20 I want to stay married. Could we please loosen the schedule to allow = for us=20 hen-pecked types?
        =             =    =20             =    =20             = Gregory
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C313FD.84ADC460-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 6 22:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Tue May 6 21:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: Message-ID: <03a101c31444$7b5e11c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C31409.CE0374A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & = Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to = re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing = the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point = each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting = point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering = location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for = their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way we can = of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest = listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for = that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where = from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with = the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical = services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory 100% in tune with what you are saying. As the various SC's send in = their routes, I am "messaging" them to make sure they are leisurely = enough to accommodate site seeing, and the potentially slower pace of = Classics as opposed to moderns. On that note, I know some of you have not yet had the time to put = together preliminary routes for me. I am going to start things by = working my way from Orlando west, putting together routes that might = work. Keep in mind I am not familiar with your part of the country, and = am letting the computer pick the routes (that doesn't sound good does = it?). Anyway, I would ask all of you who have not seen a map from me = on your Sector to check your maps and sector weblink at www.jonat.org -----> The Tour -----> Maps It may take a few days to get them all there, but I would really like = to get your feedback particularly on the amount of time it takes to go = through your Sector. As Gregory noted, this is not a race. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 6:11 PM Bob: Some reservations have been expressed by my friend Roy Gill = about travelling to Whistler just before the Victoria day weekend. But I = suppose this can be left to the discretion of participants, as long as = they are in Vancouver for Friday, May 21. The trip from Vancouver through the Okanagan should not be = rushed. And this will apply to other segments too, and I am thinking of = the California, Oregon and Washington and Vancouver Island segments, and = probably every other one. It is not a matter of counting how many hours = it will take to go from A to B at 90 kmph. People should have the = leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy gasoline, browse for = antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a rally. That is why I *really* urge us to simply set a place and time = for meetings (a meal, for example, and NOT necessarily daily). Less = organisation, more fun. My wife is already looking forward to the Okanagan wine country; = I know (because I have been married to her for 26 years) that we will be = stopping, tasting, viewing. I will not be saying "But dear, we have only = 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this segment". I want to stay married. = Could we please loosen the schedule to allow for us hen-pecked types? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C31409.CE0374A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In view of Gregory's request (& the = fact that=20 the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way = I was=20 thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on = more evenly=20 distributing the time versus days.  I am now thinking that setting = a=20 stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have = a main=20 starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or = gathering=20 location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for = their=20 starting point), this should do the trick.  Along the way we can of = course=20 have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  = These=20 stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that = particular=20 Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the = "suggested=20 routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along with the original = idea of=20 suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, = all=20 these can feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 5:30 PM
Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Gregory
 
100% in tune with = what you=20 are saying.  As the various SC's send in their routes, I=20 am "messaging" them to make sure they are leisurely enough to = accommodate=20 site seeing, and the potentially slower pace of Classics as opposed to = moderns.
 
On that note, I = know some of=20 you have not yet had the time to put together preliminary routes for = me. =20 I am going to start things by working my way from Orlando west, = putting=20 together routes that might work.  Keep in mind I am not familiar = with=20 your part of the country, and am letting the computer pick the routes = (that=20 doesn't sound good does it?).  Anyway,  I would ask all = of you=20 who have not seen a map from me on your Sector to check your maps and = sector=20 weblink at
www.jonat.org  -----> The = Tour=20 -----> Maps
 
It may take a few = days to get=20 them all there, but I would really like to get your feedback = particularly on=20 the amount of time it takes to go through your Sector.  As = Gregory noted,=20 this is not a race.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 6:11 = PM

Bob:
    Some = reservations have been=20 expressed by my friend Roy Gill about travelling to Whistler just = before the=20 Victoria day weekend. But I suppose this can be left to the = discretion of=20 participants, as long as they are in Vancouver for Friday, May=20 21.
    The trip from = Vancouver=20 through the Okanagan should not be rushed. And this will apply to = other=20 segments too, and I am thinking of the California, Oregon and = Washington and=20 Vancouver Island segments, and probably every other one. It is not a = matter=20 of counting how many hours it will take to go from A to B at 90 = kmph. People=20 should have the leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy = gasoline,=20 browse for antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a=20 rally.
     That is = why I *really*=20 urge us to simply set a place and time for meetings (a meal, for = example,=20 and NOT necessarily daily). Less organisation, more = fun.
    My wife is = already looking=20 forward to the Okanagan wine country; I know (because I have been = married to=20 her for 26 years) that we will be stopping, tasting, viewing. I will = not be=20 saying "But dear, we have only 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this = segment". I want to stay married. Could we please loosen the = schedule to=20 allow for us hen-pecked types?
    =    =20             =    =20             =    =20            =20 Gregory
 
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C31409.CE0374A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 6 22:05:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue May 6 21:05:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <03a101c31444$7b5e11c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <018001c31444$c3edf770$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_8FDGiX6f6JxzmdJSJ6UGbA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie - JONAT To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory 100% in tune with what you are saying. As the various SC's send in their routes, I am "messaging" them to make sure they are leisurely enough to accommodate site seeing, and the potentially slower pace of Classics as opposed to moderns. On that note, I know some of you have not yet had the time to put together preliminary routes for me. I am going to start things by working my way from Orlando west, putting together routes that might work. Keep in mind I am not familiar with your part of the country, and am letting the computer pick the routes (that doesn't sound good does it?). Anyway, I would ask all of you who have not seen a map from me on your Sector to check your maps and sector weblink at www.jonat.org -----> The Tour -----> Maps It may take a few days to get them all there, but I would really like to get your feedback particularly on the amount of time it takes to go through your Sector. As Gregory noted, this is not a race. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 6:11 PM Bob: Some reservations have been expressed by my friend Roy Gill about travelling to Whistler just before the Victoria day weekend. But I suppose this can be left to the discretion of participants, as long as they are in Vancouver for Friday, May 21. The trip from Vancouver through the Okanagan should not be rushed. And this will apply to other segments too, and I am thinking of the California, Oregon and Washington and Vancouver Island segments, and probably every other one. It is not a matter of counting how many hours it will take to go from A to B at 90 kmph. People should have the leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy gasoline, browse for antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a rally. That is why I *really* urge us to simply set a place and time for meetings (a meal, for example, and NOT necessarily daily). Less organisation, more fun. My wife is already looking forward to the Okanagan wine country; I know (because I have been married to her for 26 years) that we will be stopping, tasting, viewing. I will not be saying "But dear, we have only 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this segment". I want to stay married. Could we please loosen the schedule to allow for us hen-pecked types? Gregory --Boundary_(ID_8FDGiX6f6JxzmdJSJ6UGbA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure.
                            Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
100% in tune with what you are saying.  As the various SC's send in their routes, I am "messaging" them to make sure they are leisurely enough to accommodate site seeing, and the potentially slower pace of Classics as opposed to moderns.
 
On that note, I know some of you have not yet had the time to put together preliminary routes for me.  I am going to start things by working my way from Orlando west, putting together routes that might work.  Keep in mind I am not familiar with your part of the country, and am letting the computer pick the routes (that doesn't sound good does it?).  Anyway,  I would ask all of you who have not seen a map from me on your Sector to check your maps and sector weblink at
www.jonat.org  -----> The Tour -----> Maps
 
It may take a few days to get them all there, but I would really like to get your feedback particularly on the amount of time it takes to go through your Sector.  As Gregory noted, this is not a race.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 6:11 PM

Bob:
    Some reservations have been expressed by my friend Roy Gill about travelling to Whistler just before the Victoria day weekend. But I suppose this can be left to the discretion of participants, as long as they are in Vancouver for Friday, May 21.
    The trip from Vancouver through the Okanagan should not be rushed. And this will apply to other segments too, and I am thinking of the California, Oregon and Washington and Vancouver Island segments, and probably every other one. It is not a matter of counting how many hours it will take to go from A to B at 90 kmph. People should have the leisure to stop at a vinyard; stop for lunch, buy gasoline, browse for antiques. This is not a race, nor a time trial, nor a rally.
     That is why I *really* urge us to simply set a place and time for meetings (a meal, for example, and NOT necessarily daily). Less organisation, more fun.
    My wife is already looking forward to the Okanagan wine country; I know (because I have been married to her for 26 years) that we will be stopping, tasting, viewing. I will not be saying "But dear, we have only 3 hours and twelve minutes to do this segment". I want to stay married. Could we please loosen the schedule to allow for us hen-pecked types?
                                                    Gregory
 
--Boundary_(ID_8FDGiX6f6JxzmdJSJ6UGbA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 00:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue May 6 23:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: <018001c31444$c3edf770$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C31423.04D589A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end. This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C31423.04D589A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just so I fully = understand=20 where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two=20 "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end.  = Between=20 these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the = first=20 would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and = perhaps=20 recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the = structured part=20 of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the = beginning and=20 end of each Sector.
 
Am I understanding = this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : to be = honest I=20 saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  This new = less=20 structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of = people, giving=20 them more freedom.  Others will appreciate camaraderie and=20 organization of the structured option.  And still = others will=20 choose structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got = me=20 thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd definitely like = to hear=20 comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on = this,=20 particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.  Anyone = have=20 experience with a two structure type of tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00=20 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! This = gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a = structure.
        =             =    =20     Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request (& = the fact=20 that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly = the way=20 I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm = planning on=20 more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I am now = thinking that=20 setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and = ludicrous.  If we=20 have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main = stopping=20 point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the = following Sector for their starting point), this should do the = trick. =20 Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with = suggested stops=20 of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on = the main=20 web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own = maps=20 showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to=20 "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, = eateries,=20 fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from = that web=20 page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, = WA
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C31423.04D589A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 00:28:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Tue May 6 23:28:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: Message-ID: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01C3141E.62B1CDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20 folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20 group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until the=20 stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the = structured end. This new less structured option will have definitely = some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. Others = will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option. = And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others. = The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed = pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01C3141E.62B1CDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will try to have a structured route = and stop=20 plan, but of course
folks can take a different way.  = My only worry=20 is when
wanderers come up with car problems and = can't reach=20 us, for
some reason.  We can leave it to = them, but I=20 hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts = available with=20 the structured
group.  And, we may not be able to = get to some=20 wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group = at loose=20 ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant = wanderers.  I=20 don't think we can
guarantee to be there for them.  =
 
If we choose a = less-structured
option, I believe we have = to clearly tell=20 folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What will = those limits=20 be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an official = checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the = others?  Do we=20 hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we = arrange a=20 possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of towners = to some=20 little-known routes
here, but they will want to come along = with the=20 crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will be = priviledged=20 to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative = inhabitants of=20 Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some alternative = structured=20 paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Just so I fully = understand=20 where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two = "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end.  = Between=20 these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: = the first=20 would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and = perhaps=20 recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the = structured=20 part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the = beginning=20 and end of each Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : to = be honest I=20 saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  This = new less=20 structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of = people,=20 giving them more freedom.  Others will appreciate = camaraderie and=20 organization of the structured option.  And still = others will=20 choose structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got = me=20 thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd definitely = like to hear=20 comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well = on this,=20 particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.  Anyone = have=20 experience with a two structure type of tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 = PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! This = gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a = structure.
    =    =20             =    =20     Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request = (& the fact=20 that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out = exactly the=20 way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm = planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I = am now=20 thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal = and=20 ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the=20 beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the = end of a=20 Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting = point), this=20 should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a=20 "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  = These=20 stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for = that=20 particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where = from the=20 "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along = with the=20 original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical=20 services and parts, all these can feed from that web = page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 WA
------=_NextPart_000_016A_01C3141E.62B1CDE0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 00:48:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue May 6 23:48:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: Message-ID: <01b201c3145b$cf2fc660$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xxxiVLM8IwYc67xVG1RQiQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes, you have it right; what we have envisioned for the Victoria-Vancouver segment is an opening and a closing dinner. For the rest, participants are on their own, but they will be provided with optional tour routes, lists of restaurants, service locations, sights, etc. Obviously there will be a lot of informal groupings. People do like to do things together. But this way, we all set our own schedules within certain limits. To quote the Anglican dictum: "All may; none must". Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end. This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA --Boundary_(ID_xxxiVLM8IwYc67xVG1RQiQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Yes, you have it right; what we have envisioned for the Victoria-Vancouver segment is an opening and a closing dinner. For the rest, participants are on  their own, but they will be provided with optional tour routes, lists of restaurants, service locations, sights, etc. Obviously there will be a lot of informal groupings. People do like to do things together. But this way, we all set our own schedules within certain limits. To quote the Anglican dictum: "All may; none must".
                                    Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector.
 
Am I understanding this correctly? 
 
My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option.  And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.  Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure.
                            Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM

In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
--Boundary_(ID_xxxiVLM8IwYc67xVG1RQiQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 00:54:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue May 6 23:54:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pXiKOw6Ahj3cRq5e7nED8A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do? I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear. Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even talked about such a thing). Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mouton To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can guarantee to be there for them. If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our responsibilities to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured folks can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until the stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end. This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA --Boundary_(ID_pXiKOw6Ahj3cRq5e7nED8A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
     I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear.
    Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even talked about such a thing).
                                                    Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course
folks can take a different way.  My only worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured
group.  And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant wanderers.  I don't think we can
guarantee to be there for them. 
 
If we choose a less-structured
option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What will those limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the others?  Do we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes
here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector.
 
Am I understanding this correctly? 
 
My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option.  And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.  Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure.
                            Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM

In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
--Boundary_(ID_pXiKOw6Ahj3cRq5e7nED8A)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 01:34:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Wed May 7 00:34:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <01d001c31462$42687b80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CD_01C31427.959D4D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gregory, The checkpoints I mean are the official segment end events -- that's the only one I plan to have. =20 I guess my experience with older cars driven long distances is a constant threat of adventure. I would like to provide as much help as I can, but I agree that if you go wandering, you're on your own, and perhaps even a call won't get us out to help -- if=20 you're hundreds of miles off course. It's important that participants understand that, because I believe many will expect much more. And I expect to provide a certain level of support quickly for people=20 on the structured route, incuding maybe going out to find odd the lost kindergartner. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with = stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting = do the SC's want to do? I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded = across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange = to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, = for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made = some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, = or disappear. Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact = information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's = should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of = individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always = be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have = to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even = talked about such a thing). Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20 folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20 group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured = folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until = the=20 stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them = all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? = =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards = the structured end. This new less structured option will have = definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. = Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured = option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more = relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_01CD_01C31427.959D4D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory,
 
The checkpoints I mean are the official = segment end=20 events -- that's
the only one I plan to have.  =
 
I guess my experience with older cars = driven long=20 distances is
a constant threat of adventure.  I = would like=20 to provide as much
help as I can, but I agree that if you = go=20 wandering, you're on
your own, and perhaps even a call won't = get us out=20 to help -- if
you're hundreds of miles off = course.  It's=20 important that participants
understand that, because I believe many = will expect=20 much more.
 
And I expect to provide a certain level = of support=20 quickly for people
on the structured=20 route, incuding maybe going out to find odd the lost
kindergartner.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Jerry: you raise a very good point. = Your concern=20 about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: = just how=20 much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
     I am getting = the picture=20 of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their = teacher.=20 Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a = dinner=20 at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose = not to=20 attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we = should be=20 free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear.
    Clearly, all = participants=20 should be provided with contact information if they really have a = problem, but=20 I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track = of the=20 whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but = there=20 will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's = should=20 not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we = haven't=20 even talked about such a thing).
        =             =    =20             =    =20             = Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

I will try to have a structured = route and stop=20 plan, but of course
folks can take a different = way.  My only=20 worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems = and can't=20 reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it = to them, but=20 I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and = parts available=20 with the structured
group.  And, we may not be = able to get to=20 some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the = group at loose=20 ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant = wanderers.  I=20 don't think we can
guarantee to be there for = them. =20
 
If we choose a = less-structured
option, I believe we have = to clearly tell=20 folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What = will those=20 limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an = official=20 checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the = others?  Do=20 we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we = arrange a=20 possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of = towners to some=20 little-known routes
here, but they will want to come = along with the=20 crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will = be=20 priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative = inhabitants of=20 Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some = alternative=20 structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 9:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Just so I = fully=20 understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each = Sector,=20 only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the = very=20 end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options = for the=20 participants: the first would be a little more structured with = recommended=20 evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second = would be=20 to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, = except=20 making sure they are at the beginning and end of each=20 Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : = to be=20 honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured = end. =20 This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal = to a=20 number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will = appreciate camaraderie and organization of the=20 structured option.  And still others will choose = structure=20 some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking = a little=20 more "out of the box".
 
I'd = definitely like to=20 hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators = as well=20 on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour = goers. =20 Anyone have experience with a two structure type of=20 tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 = XJ6
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 = 9:00=20 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! = This gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20 structure.
    =    =20            =20         Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, = 2003 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request = (& the=20 fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come = out=20 exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two = Sectors=20 and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus=20 days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point = each night=20 is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting = point=20 and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or = gathering=20 location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for=20 their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along = the way=20 we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops = of=20 interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing = on the=20 main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with = their own=20 maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at = what point=20 to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested = lodging,=20 eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these = can=20 feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 = WA
= ------=_NextPart_000_01CD_01C31427.959D4D20-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 01:37:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Wed May 7 00:37:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <01dd01c31462$adc18fc0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C31428.013984E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Consider, for example, the headline=20 "Couple carjacked and left for dead as tour goes on without them" ; -) Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with = stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting = do the SC's want to do? I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded = across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange = to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, = for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made = some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, = or disappear. Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact = information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's = should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of = individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always = be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have = to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even = talked about such a thing). Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20 folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20 group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured = folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until = the=20 stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them = all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? = =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards = the structured end. This new less structured option will have = definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. = Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured = option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more = relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C31428.013984E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Consider, for example, the headline =
 
"Couple carjacked and left for dead as = tour goes on=20 without them" ; -)
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Jerry: you raise a very good point. = Your concern=20 about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: = just how=20 much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
     I am getting = the picture=20 of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their = teacher.=20 Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a = dinner=20 at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose = not to=20 attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we = should be=20 free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear.
    Clearly, all = participants=20 should be provided with contact information if they really have a = problem, but=20 I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track = of the=20 whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but = there=20 will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's = should=20 not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we = haven't=20 even talked about such a thing).
        =             =    =20             =    =20             = Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

I will try to have a structured = route and stop=20 plan, but of course
folks can take a different = way.  My only=20 worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems = and can't=20 reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it = to them, but=20 I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and = parts available=20 with the structured
group.  And, we may not be = able to get to=20 some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the = group at loose=20 ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant = wanderers.  I=20 don't think we can
guarantee to be there for = them. =20
 
If we choose a = less-structured
option, I believe we have = to clearly tell=20 folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What = will those=20 limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an = official=20 checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the = others?  Do=20 we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we = arrange a=20 possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of = towners to some=20 little-known routes
here, but they will want to come = along with the=20 crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will = be=20 priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative = inhabitants of=20 Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some = alternative=20 structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 9:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Just so I = fully=20 understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each = Sector,=20 only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the = very=20 end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options = for the=20 participants: the first would be a little more structured with = recommended=20 evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second = would be=20 to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, = except=20 making sure they are at the beginning and end of each=20 Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : = to be=20 honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured = end. =20 This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal = to a=20 number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will = appreciate camaraderie and organization of the=20 structured option.  And still others will choose = structure=20 some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking = a little=20 more "out of the box".
 
I'd = definitely like to=20 hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators = as well=20 on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour = goers. =20 Anyone have experience with a two structure type of=20 tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 = XJ6
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 = 9:00=20 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! = This gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20 structure.
    =    =20            =20         Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, = 2003 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request = (& the=20 fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come = out=20 exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two = Sectors=20 and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus=20 days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point = each night=20 is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting = point=20 and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or = gathering=20 location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for=20 their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along = the way=20 we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops = of=20 interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing = on the=20 main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with = their own=20 maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at = what point=20 to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested = lodging,=20 eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these = can=20 feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 = WA
= ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C31428.013984E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 01:40:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Wed May 7 00:40:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <01e501c31463$04166440$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C31428.578531A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subhead=20 "Family sues organizers for negligence" After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -) Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with = stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting = do the SC's want to do? I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded = across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange = to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, = for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made = some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, = or disappear. Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact = information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's = should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of = individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always = be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have = to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even = talked about such a thing). Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20 folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20 group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured = folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until = the=20 stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them = all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? = =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards = the structured end. This new less structured option will have = definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. = Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured = option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more = relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C31428.578531A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Subhead
 
"Family sues organizers for=20 negligence"
 
After all, you'll be dealing with US = Citizens ;=20 -)
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Jerry: you raise a very good point. = Your concern=20 about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: = just how=20 much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
     I am getting = the picture=20 of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their = teacher.=20 Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a = dinner=20 at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose = not to=20 attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we = should be=20 free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear.
    Clearly, all = participants=20 should be provided with contact information if they really have a = problem, but=20 I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track = of the=20 whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but = there=20 will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's = should=20 not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we = haven't=20 even talked about such a thing).
        =             =    =20             =    =20             = Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

I will try to have a structured = route and stop=20 plan, but of course
folks can take a different = way.  My only=20 worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems = and can't=20 reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it = to them, but=20 I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and = parts available=20 with the structured
group.  And, we may not be = able to get to=20 some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the = group at loose=20 ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant = wanderers.  I=20 don't think we can
guarantee to be there for = them. =20
 
If we choose a = less-structured
option, I believe we have = to clearly tell=20 folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What = will those=20 limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an = official=20 checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the = others?  Do=20 we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we = arrange a=20 possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of = towners to some=20 little-known routes
here, but they will want to come = along with the=20 crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will = be=20 priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative = inhabitants of=20 Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some = alternative=20 structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 9:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Just so I = fully=20 understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each = Sector,=20 only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the = very=20 end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options = for the=20 participants: the first would be a little more structured with = recommended=20 evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second = would be=20 to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, = except=20 making sure they are at the beginning and end of each=20 Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : = to be=20 honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured = end. =20 This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal = to a=20 number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will = appreciate camaraderie and organization of the=20 structured option.  And still others will choose = structure=20 some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking = a little=20 more "out of the box".
 
I'd = definitely like to=20 hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators = as well=20 on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour = goers. =20 Anyone have experience with a two structure type of=20 tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 = XJ6
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 = 9:00=20 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! = This gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20 structure.
    =    =20            =20         Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, = 2003 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request = (& the=20 fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come = out=20 exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two = Sectors=20 and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus=20 days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point = each night=20 is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting = point=20 and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or = gathering=20 location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for=20 their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along = the way=20 we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops = of=20 interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing = on the=20 main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with = their own=20 maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at = what point=20 to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested = lodging,=20 eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these = can=20 feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 = WA
= ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C31428.578531A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 05:58:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed May 7 04:58:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: Message-ID: <013601c31487$296e97c0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C314DA.FAA06EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My experiences have been more towards the structured type of tour and = the 'organized fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience but = to help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's = suggestion as per para 1 is excellent. This way we can accommodate just = about everyone! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the = structured end. This new less structured option will have definitely = some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. Others = will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option. = And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others. = The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed = pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C314DA.FAA06EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My experiences have been more towards = the=20 structured type of tour and the 'organized fellowship' is a great = thing to=20 not only experience but to help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I = think=20 that Bob's suggestion as per para 1 is excellent. This way we can = accommodate=20 just about everyone!
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 2:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Just so I fully = understand=20 where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two = "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end.  = Between=20 these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: = the first=20 would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and = perhaps=20 recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the = structured=20 part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the = beginning=20 and end of each Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : to = be honest I=20 saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  This = new less=20 structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of = people,=20 giving them more freedom.  Others will appreciate = camaraderie and=20 organization of the structured option.  And still = others will=20 choose structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got = me=20 thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd definitely = like to hear=20 comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well = on this,=20 particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.  Anyone = have=20 experience with a two structure type of tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 = PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! This = gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a = structure.
    =    =20             =    =20     Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request = (& the fact=20 that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out = exactly the=20 way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm = planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I = am now=20 thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal = and=20 ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the=20 beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the = end of a=20 Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting = point), this=20 should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a=20 "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  = These=20 stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for = that=20 particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where = from the=20 "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along = with the=20 original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical=20 services and parts, all these can feed from that web = page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 WA
------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C314DA.FAA06EB0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 06:04:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed May 7 05:04:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <014401c31488$1c3db620$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C314DB.EC766000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable However, as an organised event, I feel that the organisers/SC will have = some responsibility to ensure that all official participants are safely = out of their sectors. A 'handover' so to speak.=20 Maybe everyone should 'log a flight plan' at the start of a sector so = that in a possible emergency situation the appropriate authorities can = be told a bit more than 'I dunno where they went'.=20 Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with = stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting = do the SC's want to do? I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded = across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange = to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, = for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made = some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, = or disappear. Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact = information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's = should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of = individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always = be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have = to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even = talked about such a thing). Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20 folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20 group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured = folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until = the=20 stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them = all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? = =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards = the structured end. This new less structured option will have = definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. = Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured = option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more = relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C314DB.EC766000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
However, as an organised event, I feel = that the=20 organisers/SC will have some responsibility to ensure that all = official=20 participants are safely out of their sectors. A 'handover' so to speak.=20
Maybe everyone should 'log a flight = plan' at the=20 start of a sector so that in a possible emergency situation the = appropriate=20 authorities can be told a bit more than 'I dunno where they went'. =
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 3:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Jerry: you raise a very good point. = Your concern=20 about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: = just how=20 much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
     I am getting = the picture=20 of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their = teacher.=20 Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a = dinner=20 at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose = not to=20 attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we = should be=20 free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear.
    Clearly, all = participants=20 should be provided with contact information if they really have a = problem, but=20 I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track = of the=20 whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but = there=20 will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's = should=20 not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we = haven't=20 even talked about such a thing).
        =             =    =20             =    =20             = Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

I will try to have a structured = route and stop=20 plan, but of course
folks can take a different = way.  My only=20 worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems = and can't=20 reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it = to them, but=20 I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and = parts available=20 with the structured
group.  And, we may not be = able to get to=20 some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the = group at loose=20 ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant = wanderers.  I=20 don't think we can
guarantee to be there for = them. =20
 
If we choose a = less-structured
option, I believe we have = to clearly tell=20 folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What = will those=20 limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an = official=20 checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the = others?  Do=20 we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we = arrange a=20 possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of = towners to some=20 little-known routes
here, but they will want to come = along with the=20 crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will = be=20 priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative = inhabitants of=20 Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some = alternative=20 structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 9:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

Just so I = fully=20 understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each = Sector,=20 only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the = very=20 end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options = for the=20 participants: the first would be a little more structured with = recommended=20 evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second = would be=20 to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, = except=20 making sure they are at the beginning and end of each=20 Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : = to be=20 honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured = end. =20 This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal = to a=20 number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will = appreciate camaraderie and organization of the=20 structured option.  And still others will choose = structure=20 some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking = a little=20 more "out of the box".
 
I'd = definitely like to=20 hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators = as well=20 on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour = goers. =20 Anyone have experience with a two structure type of=20 tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 = XJ6
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 = 9:00=20 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! = This gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20 structure.
    =    =20            =20         Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, = 2003 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request = (& the=20 fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come = out=20 exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two = Sectors=20 and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus=20 days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point = each night=20 is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting = point=20 and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or = gathering=20 location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for=20 their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along = the way=20 we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops = of=20 interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing = on the=20 main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with = their own=20 maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at = what point=20 to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested = lodging,=20 eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these = can=20 feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 = WA
= ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C314DB.EC766000-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 06:54:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed May 7 05:54:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03CE_01C31454.5AEA0380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too many conditions on = this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish to be so = regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of folks which do = like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of. Not to = mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low = reliability from your older Jaguar. Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report yesterday on the J-L = Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as "finicky", = (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at times = negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, etc.), = Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any catastrophic = events come up. An owner still has to be a responsible "automobile" = user in that he/she should determine whether or not their vehicle can or = should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and enjoy the = relative safety of same. I feel we can provide both a group camaraderie situation as well as an = alternate individual routing availability. It should be up to each SC = as to how many alternates they wish to provide on their Site page and = Sector Handouts. If an SC takes the responsibility to have these = Alternate Routings, then they also are taking on the responsibility to = provide the Services List for the Alternate Route too. And as discussed = earlier the Services List consists of possible accommodation, fuel = stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations, etc. If a Tourer = elects to further off the beaten or recommended route? Then they are = totally "on their own" and it should be made clear to them those are the = parameters involved. The SC shouldn't have to feel overwhelmed either though. Both Mark and = Michael's routings to Reno and Phoenix are what I consider to be "side = or alternate routings" to the main Tour Route. My point here is that an = SC should or can be able to find an assistant to help with the Side = Route setup and information gathering if they wish. Remember an SC is a = JONAT Focal, or Manager if you will, for a certain Sector along the = Route. How that Focal (or Manager) runs their part of the business is = up to them and their particular style. As long as the overall structure = complies with the same basic structure as set by the JONAT EC and SC = Committees (you all!) and the output from the Sector (as in subsidiary) = has an overall affect of good upon the Tour (or Corporation) bottom = line. And that of course is to "stay in business" and have fun doing = it. We want everyone to have fun while joining with the Tour and whether = they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or more as a loner is, = and should be, up to each Tourer themselves. We have to rely upon = everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know either the = limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits in = life. We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or close = enough), babysitters. We are not intending to be one of those super = pampered cruiseship vacations either. We can only provide some = information and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it = would be during any other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any = other time in America and Canada. I must say that I feel after stating = the previous that we really will be offering a little more pampering = than none though, as we will be providing most all information on = available options up front, instead of someone having to go out and = totally explore for themselves an area much as I feel I'd have to do if = I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my own. That area would be a = total unknown for me and I'd be taking great chances at finding the = right stops or support for my personal tastes, except information will = already be available on the Web Site, including names and numbers to = call for assistance. Much more than I could hope for on my own (except = maybe for depending on my AAA membership, which may not do me any good = in Canada - I dunno - yet). Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's clear I could "talk" some more = about this. But perhaps the points I'm trying to make are clear (as = mud?). We all want to have fun and I'm sure we wish to be very proud of = our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar Tour ever held. But we = cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over protective and/or = managerial when it comes to each individuals right to partake in a Tour = their own individual way. It would quite frankly take a lot of the fun = out of it for me anyways. Jerry is correct when he states that we need = to set a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our reliability = level during the Tour. Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could = be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage = for this statement. Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" = page of the Web Site (right Greg?) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2003 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES My experiences have been more towards the structured type of tour and = the 'organized fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience but = to help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's = suggestion as per para 1 is excellent. This way we can accommodate just = about everyone! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20 folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20 group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until the = stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards = the structured end. This new less structured option will have = definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. = Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured = option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed = pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_03CE_01C31454.5AEA0380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see Jerry's point but once again, if = we put too=20 many conditions on this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not = wish to=20 be so regimented.  While on the other hand there are plenty of = folks which=20 do like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of.  = Not to=20 mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low=20 reliability from your older Jaguar.
 
Especially in light of Pascal's = roadtrip report=20 yesterday on the J-L Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed = as=20 "finicky", (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity = and at=20 times negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, = etc.), Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any = catastrophic=20 events come up.    An owner still has to be a responsible = "automobile" user in that he/she should determine whether or not their = vehicle=20 can or should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and = enjoy the=20 relative safety of same.
 
I feel we can provide both a group = camaraderie=20 situation as well as an alternate individual routing=20 availability.  It should be up to each SC as to how many alternates = they=20 wish to provide on their Site page and Sector Handouts.  If an SC = takes the=20 responsibility to have these Alternate Routings, then they also are = taking on=20 the responsibility to provide the Services List for the Alternate Route=20 too.  And as discussed earlier the Services List consists of = possible=20 accommodation, fuel stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations, = etc. =20 If a Tourer elects to further off the beaten or recommended route?  = Then=20 they are totally "on their own" and it should be made clear to them = those are=20 the parameters involved.
 
The SC shouldn't have to feel = overwhelmed either=20 though.  Both Mark and Michael's routings to Reno and = Phoenix are=20 what I consider to be "side or alternate routings" to the main Tour = Route. =20 My point here is that an SC should or can be able to find an = assistant to=20 help with the Side Route setup and information gathering if they = wish. =20 Remember an SC is a JONAT Focal, or Manager if you will, for a certain = Sector=20 along the Route.  How that Focal (or Manager) runs their part of = the=20 business is up to them and their particular style.  As long as the = overall=20 structure complies with the same basic structure as set by the JONAT EC = and SC=20 Committees (you all!) and the output from the Sector (as in =  subsidiary)=20 has an overall affect of good upon the Tour (or Corporation) bottom = line. =20 And that of course is to "stay in business" and have fun doing = it.
 
We want everyone to have fun while = joining with the=20 Tour and whether they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or = more as a=20 loner is, and should be, up to each Tourer themselves.  We have to = rely=20 upon everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know = either=20 the limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits in = life.  We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or = close=20 enough), babysitters.  We are not intending to be one of those = super=20 pampered cruiseship vacations either.  We can only provide some = information=20 and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it would be during = any=20 other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any other time in = America=20 and Canada.  I must say that I feel after stating the previous that = we=20 really will be offering a little more pampering than none though, as we = will be=20 providing most all information on available options up front, instead of = someone=20 having to go out and totally explore for themselves an area much as I = feel I'd=20 have to do if I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my own.  = That area=20 would be a total unknown for me and I'd be taking great chances at = finding the=20 right stops or support for my personal tastes, except information = will=20 already be available on the Web Site, including names and numbers to = call for=20 assistance.  Much more than I could hope for on my own (except = maybe for=20 depending on my AAA membership, which may not do me any good in Canada - = I dunno=20 - yet).
 
Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's = clear I=20 could "talk" some more about this.  But perhaps the points I'm = trying to=20 make are clear (as mud?).  We all want to have fun and I'm sure we = wish=20 to be very proud of our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar = Tour=20 ever held.  But we cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over = protective=20 and/or managerial when it comes to each individuals right to partake in = a Tour=20 their own individual way.  It would quite frankly take a lot of the = fun out=20 of it for me anyways.  Jerry is correct when he states that we need = to set=20 a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our reliability level = during the=20 Tour.
 
Has anyone been in touch with or know a = lawyer out=20 here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in = developing=20 some verbiage for this statement.  Once it's identified it can be = added to=20 the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal=20 Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2003 = 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

My experiences=20 have been more towards the structured type of tour and the 'organized=20 fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience but to help = maintain=20 the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's suggestion as per = para 1 is=20 excellent. This way we can accommodate just about = everyone!
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

I will try to have a structured route = and stop=20 plan, but of course
folks can take a different way.  = My only=20 worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems = and can't=20 reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it to = them, but I=20 hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts = available=20 with the structured
group.  And, we may not be able = to get to=20 some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group = at loose=20 ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant = wanderers.  I=20 don't think we can
guarantee to be there for them.  =
 
If we choose a = less-structured
option, I believe we have = to clearly tell=20 folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What will = those=20 limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an = official=20 checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the = others?  Do we=20 hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we = arrange a=20 possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of towners = to some=20 little-known routes
here, but they will want to come = along with the=20 crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will be = priviledged=20 to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative = inhabitants of=20 Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some = alternative=20 structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 9:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Just so I fully = understand=20 where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only = two=20 "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very = end. =20 Between these two official stops, we have two options for the = participants:=20 the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening = stops=20 and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet = with the=20 structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they = are at=20 the beginning and end of each Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments : = to be honest=20 I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  = This new=20 less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number = of=20 people, giving them more freedom.  Others will appreciate=20 camaraderie and organization of the structured option.  = And still=20 others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others.  The=20 idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the = box".
 
I'd definitely = like to hear=20 comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as = well on=20 this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour = goers.  Anyone=20 have experience with a two structure type of = tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 = XJ6
Jaguar Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 = 9:00=20 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! = This gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20 structure.
    =    =20            =20         Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, = 2003 7:58=20 PM

In view of Gregory's request = (& the=20 fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come = out=20 exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two = Sectors=20 and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus = days. =20 I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a = bit anal=20 and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time = at the=20 beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the = end of=20 a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting = point),=20 this should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course = have a=20 "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  = These=20 stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for = that=20 particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where = from=20 the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  = Along with=20 the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical=20 services and parts, all these can feed from that web = page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 WA
------=_NextPart_000_03CE_01C31454.5AEA0380-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 07:02:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed May 7 06:02:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] "Daily Plan or Buddy System"; was - SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> <014401c31488$1c3db620$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <03db01c31490$2c5acc20$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03D8_01C31455.7BC21B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On that subject I'm hoping the "buddy system" will help out here. = During most of the Tour I'm sure someone will somehow usually pair up = with at least one other Tourer and probably have at least a lunch = together if not travel in pairs (at a minimum). This kind of goes along = with the thought that we as Jaguar owners are generally the type to = attract "like kinds" and enjoy each other's war stories and such. It's basically an "unwritten rule" and/or expectation, at least as I was = brought up, that when I join a group event I have a responsibility to = the group to conduct myself in a manner which does not reflect badly on = the group and to ensure that at least one other person in the group = knows my general whereabouts at all times. This reflects on my "maturity" statement I mentioned in another post on = this subject. We can only "lead a Jaguar driver to water, we cannot = make them ...", but we can be clear as to the expectations of the Group. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES However, as an organised event, I feel that the organisers/SC will = have some responsibility to ensure that all official participants are = safely out of their sectors. A 'handover' so to speak.=20 Maybe everyone should 'log a flight plan' at the start of a sector so = that in a possible emergency situation the appropriate authorities can = be told a bit more than 'I dunno where they went'.=20 Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do = with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much = baby-sitting do the SC's want to do? I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded = across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange = to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, = for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made = some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, = or disappear. Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact = information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's = should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of = individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always = be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have = to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even = talked about such a thing). Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course = folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured = group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do = if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured = folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until = the=20 stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them = up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them = all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe = and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to = choose? =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is = to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very = start, and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we = have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more = towards the structured end. This new less structured option will have = definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. = Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured = option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more = relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing = for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), = I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA ------=_NextPart_000_03D8_01C31455.7BC21B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On that subject I'm hoping the "buddy = system" will=20 help out here.  During most of the Tour I'm sure someone will = somehow=20 usually pair up with at least one other Tourer and probably have at = least a=20 lunch together if not travel in pairs (at a minimum).  This kind of = goes=20 along with the thought that we as Jaguar owners are generally the type = to=20 attract "like kinds" and enjoy each other's war stories and = such.
 
It's basically an "unwritten rule" = and/or=20 expectation, at least as I was brought up, that when I join a group = event I have=20 a responsibility to the group to conduct myself in a manner which does = not=20 reflect badly on the group and to ensure that at least one other person = in the=20 group knows my general whereabouts at all times.
 
This reflects on my "maturity" = statement I=20 mentioned in another post on this subject.  We can only "lead a = Jaguar=20 driver to water, we cannot make them ...", but we can be clear as to the = expectations of the Group.
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 4:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

However, as an organised event, I = feel that the=20 organisers/SC will have some responsibility to ensure that all = official=20 participants are safely out of their sectors. A 'handover' so to = speak.=20
Maybe everyone should 'log a flight = plan' at the=20 start of a sector so that in a possible emergency situation the = appropriate=20 authorities can be told a bit more than 'I dunno where they went'.=20
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 3:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Jerry: you raise a very good point. = Your=20 concern about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the = point:=20 just how much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
     I am = getting the=20 picture of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by = their=20 teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to = point B for=20 a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of=20 reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made some=20 arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, = or=20 disappear.
    Clearly, all = participants=20 should be provided with contact information if they really have a = problem,=20 but I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping = track=20 of the whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with = others, but=20 there will always be some who want to strike out on their own and = the SC's=20 should not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our = segment we=20 haven't even talked about such a thing).
    =    =20             =    =20             =    =20            =20 Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jerry=20 Mouton
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

I will try to have a structured = route and=20 stop plan, but of course
folks can take a different = way.  My only=20 worry is when
wanderers come up with car = problems and can't=20 reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave = it to them,=20 but I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and = parts=20 available with the structured
group.  And, we may not be = able to get=20 to some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the = group at=20 loose ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant = wanderers. =20 I don't think we can
guarantee to be there for = them. =20
 
If we choose a = less-structured
option, I believe we have = to clearly=20 tell folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What = will those=20 limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an = official=20 checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the = others?  Do=20 we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do = we arrange a=20 possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of = towners to some=20 little-known routes
here, but they will want to come = along with=20 the crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group = will be=20 priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative = inhabitants of=20 Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some = alternative=20 structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, = 2003 9:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] = SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Just so I = fully=20 understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each = Sector,=20 only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the = very=20 end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options = for the=20 participants: the first would be a little more structured with=20 recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for = eats; the=20 second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour = where they=20 wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of = each=20 Sector.
 
Am I = understanding this=20 correctly? 
 
My comments = : to be=20 honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured = end. =20 This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal = to a=20 number of people, giving them more freedom.  = Others will=20 appreciate camaraderie and organization of the=20 structured option.  And still others will choose=20 structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got = me=20 thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd = definitely like to=20 hear comments from all the SC's and the International = Coordinators as=20 well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour = goers.  Anyone have experience with a two structure type of = tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 = XJ6
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, = 2003 9:00=20 PM

Jamie: excellent! much = better! This gives=20 everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a=20 structure.
    =    =20            =20         Gregory
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Tuesday, May = 06, 2003=20 7:58 PM

In view of Gregory's = request (& the=20 fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't = come out=20 exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those = two=20 Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the = time versus=20 days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point = each=20 night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main = starting=20 point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or = gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the=20 following Sector for their starting point), this should do = the=20 trick.  Along the way we can of course have a = "suggested route"=20 with suggested stops of interest listed.  These stops = could be=20 a regular listing on the main web page for that = particular=20 Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from = the=20 "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  = Along with=20 the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel = stops,=20 mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that = web=20 page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett,=20 = WA
=
------=_NextPart_000_03D8_01C31455.7BC21B00-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 11:10:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Wed May 7 10:10:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> <01e501c31463$04166440$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <001d01c314b2$65d1fa60$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_MJbKn3+KoeBKFgebcMdTJQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mouton To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Subhead "Family sues organizers for negligence" After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -) Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do? I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear. Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even talked about such a thing). Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mouton To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can guarantee to be there for them. If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our responsibilities to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured folks can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until the stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end. This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA --Boundary_(ID_MJbKn3+KoeBKFgebcMdTJQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
                                           
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Subhead
 
"Family sues organizers for negligence"
 
After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -)
 
Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Jerry: you raise a very good point. Your concern about what to do with stragglers is, in fact, precisely the point: just how much baby-sitting do the SC's want to do?
     I am getting the picture of a kindergarten class being herded across the street by their teacher. Surely as adults we can all arrange to get ourselves to point B for a dinner at a certain time, or, in fact, for any number of reasons, choose not to attend. And unless we have made some arrangements with others, we should be free to tarry, hurry, dally, or disappear.
    Clearly, all participants should be provided with contact information if they really have a problem, but I don't think the SC's should have to be responsible for keeping track of the whereabouts of individuals. Most will want to travel with others, but there will always be some who want to strike out on their own and the SC's should not have to be waiting at "check points" (in fact, in our segment we haven't even talked about such a thing).
                                                    Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course
folks can take a different way.  My only worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured
group.  And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant wanderers.  I don't think we can
guarantee to be there for them. 
 
If we choose a less-structured
option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What will those limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the others?  Do we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes
here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector.
 
Am I understanding this correctly? 
 
My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option.  And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.  Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure.
                            Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM

In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
--Boundary_(ID_MJbKn3+KoeBKFgebcMdTJQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 11:19:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Wed May 7 10:19:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <007101c314b3$e4bd0440$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C31479.38243080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jamie, I am not suggesting putting any conditions on the tour at all. But I am in favor of making it clear that if you go out on your own, you're out on your own. And perhaps we need to consider asking participants to sign a release form to protect ourselves and our families, as you note. Yes, Pascal's car makes long trips all the time. Mine made the 2500 miles no problem. But I can point out that one of our Challenge Championship participants in an XK150 had their front wheel, brakes, and part of the suspension depart at speed, and it was very lucky that they were not hurt or worse. I wouldn't say they were irresponsible auto owners -- they had no way to predict this result of old, weary metal. "This" Jaguar will make 25,000 miles with ease. "That" one will have some unfortunate breakdown. =20 I am really in favor of having a very free tour, and basically if you don't show up somewhere, you just don't show up. Backing that up with a support crew for people who encounter=20 difficulties on or near the official tour, and some kind of = commuincation setup is all I think of for "babysitting". But we have to consider our liability and the need for us to properly set the expectations of the participants -- and to legally establish our limits. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie - JONAT=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:51 AM Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR = ROUTES I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too many conditions on = this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish to be so = regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of folks which do = like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of. Not to = mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low = reliability from your older Jaguar. Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report yesterday on the J-L = Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as "finicky", = (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at times = negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, etc.), = Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any catastrophic = events come up. An owner still has to be a responsible "automobile" = user in that he/she should determine whether or not their vehicle can or = should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and enjoy the = relative safety of same. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C31479.38243080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jamie,
 
I am not suggesting putting any = conditions on the=20 tour at all.
 
But I am in favor of making it clear = that if you go=20 out on your own,
you're out on your own.
 
And perhaps we need to consider asking = participants=20 to sign
a release form to protect ourselves and = our=20 families, as you note.
 
Yes, Pascal's car makes long trips all = the=20 time.  Mine made the
2500 miles no problem.  But I can = point out=20 that one of our
Challenge Championship participants in = an XK150 had=20 their
front wheel, brakes, and part of the = suspension=20 depart at speed,
and it was very lucky that they were = not hurt or=20 worse.  I wouldn't
say they were irresponsible auto owners = -- they had=20 no way
to predict this result of old, weary = metal. =20 "This"
Jaguar will make 25,000 miles with = ease. =20 "That" one will
have some unfortunate breakdown. =20
 
I am really in favor of having a very = free tour,=20 and basically
if you don't show up somewhere, you = just don't show=20 up.
Backing that up with a support = crew for people=20 who encounter
difficulties on=20 or near the official tour, and some kind of commuincation
setup is all I think of for = "babysitting". =20 But we have to consider
our liability and the need for us to = properly set=20 the expectations
of the participants -- and to legally = establish our=20 limits.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jamie - = JONAT=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 4:51=20 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. = Tour=20 Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES

I see Jerry's point but once again, = if we put too=20 many conditions on this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will = not wish=20 to be so regimented.  While on the other hand there are plenty of = folks=20 which do like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care = of. =20 Not to mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have = experienced a low=20 reliability from your older Jaguar.
 
Especially in light of Pascal's = roadtrip report=20 yesterday on the J-L Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly = viewed as=20 "finicky", (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity = and at=20 times negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas = stories,=20 etc.), Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any=20 catastrophic events come up.    An owner still has to = be a=20 responsible "automobile" user in that he/she should determine whether = or not=20 their vehicle can or should go off wandering by itself or stick to a = main=20 group and enjoy the relative safety of same.
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------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C31479.38243080-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 11:23:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Wed May 7 10:23:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> <01e501c31463$04166440$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <001d01c314b2$65d1fa60$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <007c01c314b4$7f4c9520$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C31479.D2C303A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gregory, My point is that in real life, those limits are sometimes set by the=20 judge and jury after the fact. No way to avoid that completely. But by making the limits clear, and having the participants sign a legal agreement that they understand our limits, we make it less likely. So we need this discussion to clarify what our responsibilities should be, and then defining the agreement. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides = in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting = heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like = to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel = we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Subhead=20 "Family sues organizers for negligence" After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -) Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C31479.D2C303A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory,
 
My point is that in real life, those = limits are=20 sometimes set by the
judge and jury after the fact.  No = way to=20 avoid that completely.
 
But by making the limits clear, and = having the=20 participants sign a
legal agreement that they understand = our limits, we=20 make it less
likely.  So we need this = discussion to clarify=20 what our responsibilities
should be, and then defining the=20 agreement.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 9:04=20 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

We are not police, nor minders, nor = baby-sitters,=20 nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot = to=20 another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the = SC's, I=20 would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such=20 responsibilities.
        =             =    =20             = Gregory
        =             =    =20             =    =20    
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 11:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Subhead
 
"Family sues organizers for=20 negligence"
 
After all, you'll be dealing with = US Citizens ;=20 -)
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
 
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C31479.D2C303A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 11:27:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Wed May 7 10:27:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <004001c314b5$0ded7dd0$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_4hLcID8e3C8d5mhkCLAbnQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Jamie: I agree with every point you make. We intend to give the tour = participants every bit of information and help they need to have a = pleasant and rewarding experience as *responsible individuals*. I doubt = that anyone is going to be running an XK 120 without having spares on = hand. I certainly do not have a spare fuel pump for a 120. That sort of = thing must be made clear to participants: their cars must be properly = and reasonably prepared for touring: fresh hoses and belts, good = batteries, any spares they would reasonably need. Of course, there will = be emergencies, and this is why we will do our best to have some = resources. But we are not providing service vans to follow the group = down the highway, right? And yes, CAA and AAA memberships are interchangeable. My CAA = membership will get me service in Phoenix. My membership card has a = small AAA symbol on the back with a phone number for US emergency road = service. Iwould hope that AAA members have a corresponding CAA = designation on their cards. All participants should be encouraged to = have this sort of coverage and to verify that their own membership will = get them this service. Canadian participants should be encouraged to = purchase health travel insurance for the US portion; I suspect that the = same could be said for US participants coming to Canada. Common sense = dictates all of this and the prudent traveller will naturally do these = things, but we cannot be sure that everyone is prudent. Finally, participants must be made to sign a waiver releasing JONAT = from any responsibility for any mishap. We need a lawyer (an American = lawyer) to make sure of this. Anyone out there? Gregory=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie - JONAT=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:51 AM Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR = ROUTES I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too many conditions on = this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish to be so = regimented. While on the other hand there are plenty of folks which do = like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of. Not to = mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low = reliability from your older Jaguar. Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report yesterday on the J-L = Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as "finicky", = (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at times = negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, etc.), = Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any catastrophic = events come up. An owner still has to be a responsible "automobile" = user in that he/she should determine whether or not their vehicle can or = should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and enjoy the = relative safety of same. I feel we can provide both a group camaraderie situation as well as an = alternate individual routing availability. It should be up to each SC = as to how many alternates they wish to provide on their Site page and = Sector Handouts. If an SC takes the responsibility to have these = Alternate Routings, then they also are taking on the responsibility to = provide the Services List for the Alternate Route too. And as discussed = earlier the Services List consists of possible accommodation, fuel = stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations, etc. If a Tourer = elects to further off the beaten or recommended route? Then they are = totally "on their own" and it should be made clear to them those are the = parameters involved. The SC shouldn't have to feel overwhelmed either though. Both Mark = and Michael's routings to Reno and Phoenix are what I consider to be = "side or alternate routings" to the main Tour Route. My point here is = that an SC should or can be able to find an assistant to help with the = Side Route setup and information gathering if they wish. Remember an SC = is a JONAT Focal, or Manager if you will, for a certain Sector along the = Route. How that Focal (or Manager) runs their part of the business is = up to them and their particular style. As long as the overall structure = complies with the same basic structure as set by the JONAT EC and SC = Committees (you all!) and the output from the Sector (as in subsidiary) = has an overall affect of good upon the Tour (or Corporation) bottom = line. And that of course is to "stay in business" and have fun doing = it. We want everyone to have fun while joining with the Tour and whether = they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or more as a loner is, = and should be, up to each Tourer themselves. We have to rely upon = everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know either the = limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits in = life. We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or close = enough), babysitters. We are not intending to be one of those super = pampered cruiseship vacations either. We can only provide some = information and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it = would be during any other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any = other time in America and Canada. I must say that I feel after stating = the previous that we really will be offering a little more pampering = than none though, as we will be providing most all information on = available options up front, instead of someone having to go out and = totally explore for themselves an area much as I feel I'd have to do if = I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my own. That area would be a = total unknown for me and I'd be taking great chances at finding the = right stops or support for my personal tastes, except information will = already be available on the Web Site, including names and numbers to = call for assistance. Much more than I could hope for on my own (except = maybe for depending on my AAA membership, which may not do me any good = in Canada - I dunno - yet). Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's clear I could "talk" some more = about this. But perhaps the points I'm trying to make are clear (as = mud?). We all want to have fun and I'm sure we wish to be very proud of = our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar Tour ever held. But we = cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over protective and/or = managerial when it comes to each individuals right to partake in a Tour = their own individual way. It would quite frankly take a lot of the fun = out of it for me anyways. Jerry is correct when he states that we need = to set a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our reliability = level during the Tour. Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that = could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some = verbiage for this statement. Once it's identified it can be added to = the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2003 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES My experiences have been more towards the structured type of tour = and the 'organized fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience = but to help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's = suggestion as per para 1 is excellent. This way we can accommodate just = about everyone! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course=20 folks can take a different way. My only worry is when wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for some reason. We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured=20 group. And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they will have to be self-reliant wanderers. I don't think we can=20 guarantee to be there for them. =20 If we choose a less-structured option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our = responsibilities=20 to those who take it. What will those limits be? What do we do if someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint? Structured = folks=20 can be located easily -- the others? Do we hold up the tour until = the=20 stragglers are located? Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up? I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes=20 here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them = all. Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as a glorious group. Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose? = =20 Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to = have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, = and one at the very end. Between these two official stops, we have two = options for the participants: the first would be a little more = structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops = for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the = Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and = end of each Sector. Am I understanding this correctly? =20 My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards = the structured end. This new less structured option will have = definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom. = Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured = option. And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom = others. The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box". I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the = International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are = regular multi-day tour goers. Anyone have experience with a two = structure type of tour? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more = relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for = Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm = going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly = distributing the time versus days. I am now thinking that setting a = stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a = main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point = or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following = Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the = way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing = how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". = Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, = mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA --Boundary_(ID_4hLcID8e3C8d5mhkCLAbnQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Jamie: I agree with every point you make. We intend to give the tour participants every bit of information and help they need to have a pleasant and rewarding experience as *responsible individuals*. I doubt that anyone is going to be running an XK 120 without having spares on hand. I certainly do not have a spare fuel pump for a 120. That sort of thing must be made clear to participants: their cars must be properly and reasonably prepared for touring: fresh hoses and belts, good batteries, any spares they would reasonably need. Of course, there will be emergencies, and this is why we will do our best to have some resources. But we are not providing service vans to follow the group down the highway, right?
    And yes, CAA and AAA memberships are interchangeable. My CAA membership will get me service in Phoenix. My membership card has a small AAA symbol on the back with a phone number for US emergency road service. Iwould hope that AAA members have a corresponding CAA designation on their cards. All participants should be encouraged to have this sort of coverage and to verify that their own membership will get them this service. Canadian participants should be encouraged to purchase health travel insurance for the US portion; I suspect that the same could be said for US participants coming to Canada. Common sense dictates all of this and the prudent traveller will naturally do these things, but we cannot be sure that everyone is prudent.
    Finally, participants must be made to sign a waiver releasing JONAT from any responsibility for any mishap. We need a lawyer (an American lawyer) to make sure of this. Anyone out there?
                                        Gregory 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:51 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES

I see Jerry's point but once again, if we put too many conditions on this Tour there will be a bunch of folks who will not wish to be so regimented.  While on the other hand there are plenty of folks which do like to be pampered and have every little detail taken care of.  Not to mention a slight feeling of fear built in if you have experienced a low reliability from your older Jaguar.
 
Especially in light of Pascal's roadtrip report yesterday on the J-L Pub, I would say that an older, and a mostly viewed as "finicky", (afterall, which model has provided the most publicity and at times negative stories to the general public? a.k.a. Lucas stories, etc.), Jaguar can be driven for mass miles without having any catastrophic events come up.    An owner still has to be a responsible "automobile" user in that he/she should determine whether or not their vehicle can or should go off wandering by itself or stick to a main group and enjoy the relative safety of same.
 
I feel we can provide both a group camaraderie situation as well as an alternate individual routing availability.  It should be up to each SC as to how many alternates they wish to provide on their Site page and Sector Handouts.  If an SC takes the responsibility to have these Alternate Routings, then they also are taking on the responsibility to provide the Services List for the Alternate Route too.  And as discussed earlier the Services List consists of possible accommodation, fuel stops, eateries, parts and maintenance locations, etc.  If a Tourer elects to further off the beaten or recommended route?  Then they are totally "on their own" and it should be made clear to them those are the parameters involved.
 
The SC shouldn't have to feel overwhelmed either though.  Both Mark and Michael's routings to Reno and Phoenix are what I consider to be "side or alternate routings" to the main Tour Route.  My point here is that an SC should or can be able to find an assistant to help with the Side Route setup and information gathering if they wish.  Remember an SC is a JONAT Focal, or Manager if you will, for a certain Sector along the Route.  How that Focal (or Manager) runs their part of the business is up to them and their particular style.  As long as the overall structure complies with the same basic structure as set by the JONAT EC and SC Committees (you all!) and the output from the Sector (as in  subsidiary) has an overall affect of good upon the Tour (or Corporation) bottom line.  And that of course is to "stay in business" and have fun doing it.
 
We want everyone to have fun while joining with the Tour and whether they are more comfortable doing it with the Group or more as a loner is, and should be, up to each Tourer themselves.  We have to rely upon everyone to have reached a certain point in maturity to know either the limits of their cars or at a very least their own personal limits in life.  We are not and do not expect to be, as Gregory put it (or close enough), babysitters.  We are not intending to be one of those super pampered cruiseship vacations either.  We can only provide some information and camaraderie, the rest is up to each individual as it would be during any other roadtrip vacation they might undertake at any other time in America and Canada.  I must say that I feel after stating the previous that we really will be offering a little more pampering than none though, as we will be providing most all information on available options up front, instead of someone having to go out and totally explore for themselves an area much as I feel I'd have to do if I were to drive to say Oakville Ontario on my own.  That area would be a total unknown for me and I'd be taking great chances at finding the right stops or support for my personal tastes, except information will already be available on the Web Site, including names and numbers to call for assistance.  Much more than I could hope for on my own (except maybe for depending on my AAA membership, which may not do me any good in Canada - I dunno - yet).
 
Okay I've reeled on and on now and it's clear I could "talk" some more about this.  But perhaps the points I'm trying to make are clear (as mud?).  We all want to have fun and I'm sure we wish to be very proud of our efforts to have the biggest and best Jaguar Tour ever held.  But we cannot, and I'm sure do not want to, be over protective and/or managerial when it comes to each individuals right to partake in a Tour their own individual way.  It would quite frankly take a lot of the fun out of it for me anyways.  Jerry is correct when he states that we need to set a policy statement "in stone" with regard to our reliability level during the Tour.
 
Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage for this statement.  Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: Fazal Cader
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2003 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

My experiences have been more towards the structured type of tour and the 'organized fellowship' is a great thing to not only experience but to help maintain the Tour as a cohesive event. I think that Bob's suggestion as per para 1 is excellent. This way we can accommodate just about everyone!
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

I will try to have a structured route and stop plan, but of course
folks can take a different way.  My only worry is when
wanderers come up with car problems and can't reach us, for
some reason.  We can leave it to them, but I hope we will have
some mechanical assistance and parts available with the structured
group.  And, we may not be able to get to some wide wanderers
without leaving the rest of the group at loose ends, so they
will have to be self-reliant wanderers.  I don't think we can
guarantee to be there for them. 
 
If we choose a less-structured
option, I believe we have to clearly tell folks the limits of our responsibilities
to those who take it.  What will those limits be?  What do we do if
someone fails to show up at an official checkpoint?  Structured folks
can be located easily -- the others?  Do we hold up the tour until the
stragglers are located?  Do we arrange a possee to go scare them up?
 
I hope I can introduce out of towners to some little-known routes
here, but they will want to come along with the crowd to see them all.
Those in the structured group will be priviledged to strike awe and
wonder into the appreciative inhabitants of Northern California as
a glorious group.
 
Perhaps there could be some alternative structured paths to choose?   
 
Jerry
 
Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Just so I fully understand where this is going, the thought is to have, for each Sector, only two "official"stops: one at the very start, and one at the very end.  Between these two official stops, we have two options for the participants: the first would be a little more structured with recommended evening stops and perhaps recommended stops for eats; the second would be to meet with the structured part of the Tour where they wish, except making sure they are at the beginning and end of each Sector.
 
Am I understanding this correctly? 
 
My comments : to be honest I saw the Tour as a little more towards the structured end.  This new less structured option will have definitely some appeal to a number of people, giving them more freedom.  Others will appreciate camaraderie and organization of the structured option.  And still others will choose structure some days, and freedom others.  The idea has got me thinking a little more "out of the box".
 
I'd definitely like to hear comments from all the SC's and the International Coordinators as well on this, particularly those that are regular multi-day tour goers.  Anyone have experience with a two structure type of tour?
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:00 PM

Jamie: excellent! much better! This gives everyone a more relaxed pace, but still maintains a structure.
                            Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:58 PM

In view of Gregory's request (& the fact that the routing for Oregon & Washington didn't come out exactly the way I was thinking), I'm going to re-run those two Sectors and I'm planning on more evenly distributing the time versus days.  I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page.
 
Comments?
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
--Boundary_(ID_4hLcID8e3C8d5mhkCLAbnQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 11:37:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Wed May 7 10:37:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <01bc01c3145c$b9fabd30$77214518@LaptopG> <01e501c31463$04166440$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <001d01c314b2$65d1fa60$77214518@LaptopG> <007c01c314b4$7f4c9520$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <007a01c314b6$284ca1a0$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_IkgNdeuh0azeQIh3D+bFKg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jerry: you are absolutely right, accidents do happen, and sadly, some people expect others to pay for their mistakes and lack of prudence. You are right on the mark again when you say that the participants should sign a release form. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mouton To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory, My point is that in real life, those limits are sometimes set by the judge and jury after the fact. No way to avoid that completely. But by making the limits clear, and having the participants sign a legal agreement that they understand our limits, we make it less likely. So we need this discussion to clarify what our responsibilities should be, and then defining the agreement. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mouton To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Subhead "Family sues organizers for negligence" After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -) Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" --Boundary_(ID_IkgNdeuh0azeQIh3D+bFKg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Jerry: you are absolutely right, accidents do happen, and sadly, some people expect others to pay for their mistakes and lack of prudence. You are right on the mark again when you say that the participants should sign a release form.
                                Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory,
 
My point is that in real life, those limits are sometimes set by the
judge and jury after the fact.  No way to avoid that completely.
 
But by making the limits clear, and having the participants sign a
legal agreement that they understand our limits, we make it less
likely.  So we need this discussion to clarify what our responsibilities
should be, and then defining the agreement.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
                                           
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Subhead
 
"Family sues organizers for negligence"
 
After all, you'll be dealing with US Citizens ; -)
 
Jerry Mouton                              "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
 
--Boundary_(ID_IkgNdeuh0azeQIh3D+bFKg)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 18:20:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (JONAT Webmaster) Date: Wed May 7 17:20:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; In-Reply-To: <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <00af01c314ee$d15e0e40$7701a8c0@c350735a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C314B4.24FF3640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie et al, We should definitely have a lawyer review the legal notice on the website. http://jonat.org/privacy.cfm I assume there is also a standard waiver template that we can use for the participants and drivers. Does JCNA have one? I can add whatever you want to the website. except for porno. at least at the present time. Greg -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:52 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage for this statement. Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C314B4.24FF3640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Jamie et=20 al,
We should = definitely have a=20 lawyer review the legal notice on the website. http://jonat.org/privacy.cfm=20
I assume there is = also=20 a standard waiver template that we can use for the = participants and=20 drivers.  Does JCNA have one?
I can add whatever = you want to=20 the website.
 
 
except for=20 porno.
 
 
at least at the = present=20 time.
 
 
Greg
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf Of=20 Jamie - JONAT
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:52=20 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] = Individual=20 vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES

Has anyone been in touch with or know = a lawyer=20 out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help = in=20 developing some verbiage for this statement.  Once it's = identified it can=20 be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right = Greg?)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C314B4.24FF3640-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 18:38:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Wed May 7 17:38:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] waivers and porno References: <00af01c314ee$d15e0e40$7701a8c0@c350735a> Message-ID: <01a301c314f1$63ac83b0$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_rYkXO0ozzF4Mww/MUbfxSg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MessageGreg: there is a standard JCNA waiver of a type also used by ABFM's. It reads thus: "I agree to insure my vehicle against loss, damage and liability. I agree to assume the risk of any damage or injury, and to indemnify and hold harmless (JONAT), its officers, and directors or agents against any acts of omission which may result in the theft, damage, or destruction of my property or injury to me or others occurring during or as a consequence of this (tour) including, but not limited to: overnight storage, and all places associated with this (tour)." We should have this or similar wording and every entrant should be required to sign this as part of the registration process; these forms should be kept by the JONAT administrators. Regarding porno: your implicit offer to eventually post some Jaguar-porno is interesting, and possibly welcome to some. I suppose that an example of Jaguar porno might be a photo of a topless E-type, bonnet open to show in lurid detail a Chevy small block. Too horrible to contemplate. There ought to be a law... Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: JONAT Webmaster To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; Jamie et al, We should definitely have a lawyer review the legal notice on the website. http://jonat.org/privacy.cfm I assume there is also a standard waiver template that we can use for the participants and drivers. Does JCNA have one? I can add whatever you want to the website. except for porno. at least at the present time. Greg -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:52 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage for this statement. Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 --Boundary_(ID_rYkXO0ozzF4Mww/MUbfxSg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Greg: there is a standard JCNA waiver of a type also used by ABFM's. It reads thus:
 
    "I agree to insure my vehicle against loss, damage and liability. I agree to assume the risk of any damage or injury, and to indemnify and hold harmless (JONAT), its officers, and directors or agents against any acts of omission which may result in the theft, damage, or destruction of my property or injury to me or others occurring during or as a consequence of this (tour) including, but not limited to: overnight storage, and all places associated with this (tour)."
 
    We should have this or similar wording and every entrant should be required to sign this as part of the registration process; these forms should be kept by the JONAT administrators.
    Regarding porno: your implicit offer to eventually post some Jaguar-porno is interesting, and possibly welcome to some. I suppose that an example of Jaguar porno might be a photo of a topless E-type, bonnet open to show in lurid detail a Chevy small block.  Too horrible to contemplate. There ought to be a law...
 
                                            Gregory 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility;

Jamie et al,
We should definitely have a lawyer review the legal notice on the website. http://jonat.org/privacy.cfm
I assume there is also a standard waiver template that we can use for the participants and drivers.  Does JCNA have one?
I can add whatever you want to the website.
 
 
except for porno.
 
 
at least at the present time.
 
 
Greg
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:52 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES

Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage for this statement.  Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
--Boundary_(ID_rYkXO0ozzF4Mww/MUbfxSg)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 20:36:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed May 7 19:36:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: <001d01c314b2$65d1fa60$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C314CF.9C0895E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C314CF.9C0895E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory
 
I liken the = SC's=20 coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through = their=20 province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent = discussion,=20 allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with = some nice=20 spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or two along = the=20 way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their = own,=20 except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will = have its own=20 flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have to = agree=20 to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, = legal, and=20 insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the=20 organizers.
 
I have a hunch some = Sectors=20 will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom = and=20 variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North = American Tour=20 (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05=20 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor = baby-sitters,=20 nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot = to=20 another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the = SC's, I=20 would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such=20 responsibilities.
        =             =    =20             = Gregory
 
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C314CF.9C0895E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 21:24:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed May 7 20:24:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR COORDINATORS GUIDE UPDATE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C314D6.5DE4D2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on some of the discussions we have had over the past month or so, I've updated the "Sector Coordinator's Guide" on the website. As always, comments are welcome. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C314D6.5DE4D2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Based on some of = the=20 discussions we have had over the past month or so, I've updated the = "Sector=20 Coordinator's Guide" on the website.  As always, comments are=20 welcome.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C314D6.5DE4D2E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 21:37:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Wed May 7 20:37:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control Message-ID: <3EB9C210.5030904@jonat.org> Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector info desk. Nothing organized. Day two is scenic and charming ending at Ottawa with a single hotel with an info desk and a club sponsored party with oil changing and repair facilities co-located. A jag mech or two and their shops will be on standby for more serious stuff. Day three is a leisurely drive to Montreal through the mountains (little ones) where all the signs are in french but AAA is accepted. Emergency numbers will be provided for each leg to find someone who will help find the right service for the stranded (probably CAA). I agree with Dr A. We are not going to want to or be able to hold these folks hands. If they have a break-down we will help if we can but it must be the participant's responsibility to come prepared. Our Ottawa club members will want to participate and I don't see how we can field a host of "keepers". Mike O'Brien Sector Coordinator Ottawa Sector www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 7 23:38:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Wed May 7 22:38:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: Message-ID: <001a01c3151a$ffee34c0$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_F44zGiW/agCi9XeB+mH85Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone. I guess it is about time that I set forth what I feel = would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan Valley to Golden B.C. I = looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the ABFM in Vancouver.=20 Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast or slow (if you drive slow which I = find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The route then will split and = you can chose either the southern route along Highway 3 and 3A to = Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged beauty of the = Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it = follows a river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass = thru some spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the = Fraser River, the road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is = no problem with rough surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on = Hwy 8 , another scenic drive up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy = 5A to Princeton a bit of a windy road where you can "let it out" and = have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 then 3A to Penticton. There are several = Hotels available along the beach (Names and rates to follow). You can = select either route and it will get you to the same destination. The = long route will be about 2 hours longer. Day 2: A liesurely drive from Penticton to Vernon with stops at a couple = of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and pick up you favourite = variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes on the way to = Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads that you = can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has several = fine hotels with varying prices. Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede along Hwy 97 to Sicamous = (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be travelling = beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other travellers = (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede to Golden = travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and then to = the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops = will probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite = and Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg. I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 days for this leg as there is a lot = of breathtaking scenery along the way. I will be accompanying the group = that decides to travel the longer route on Day 1, as I have travelled = this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics on call for the = leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable Map site to = lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road system. Any = suggestions, Bob.. Barry La Pointe '72 E-Type V12 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley, BC) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour = of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights = (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their = own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and = perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on = their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some = emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing = committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards = only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied = down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much = less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite = unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour = guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, = counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I = would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us = may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_F44zGiW/agCi9XeB+mH85Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hello everyone. I guess it is about time that I set forth what I feel would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan Valley to Golden B.C. I looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the ABFM in Vancouver.
 
Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast or slow (if you drive slow which I find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The route then will split and you can chose either the southern route along Highway 3 and 3A to Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged beauty of the Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it follows a river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass thru some spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the Fraser River, the road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is no problem with rough surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on Hwy 8 , another scenic drive up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy 5A to Princeton a bit of a windy road where you can "let it out" and have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 then 3A to Penticton. There are several Hotels available along the beach (Names and rates to follow). You can select either route and it will get you to the same destination. The long route will be about 2 hours longer.
 
Day 2: A liesurely drive from Penticton to Vernon with stops at a couple of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and pick up you favourite variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes on the way to Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads that you can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has several fine hotels with varying prices.
 
Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede along Hwy 97 to Sicamous (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be travelling beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other travellers (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede to Golden travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and then to the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops will probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite and  Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg.
 
I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 days for this leg as there is a lot of breathtaking scenery along the way. I will be accompanying the group that decides to travel the longer route on Day 1, as I have travelled this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics on call for the leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable Map site to lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road system. Any suggestions, Bob..
 
Barry La Pointe
'72 E-Type V12
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley, BC)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or two along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
 
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
 
--Boundary_(ID_F44zGiW/agCi9XeB+mH85Q)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 00:56:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Wed May 7 23:56:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <001a01c3151a$ffee34c0$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: <021f01c31526$35bd3a00$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Vu+skoR/HVYsykI9K2INzw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Barry: that sounds great. Packing my bags already.=20 Do we have any information about hotels in general: I mean any chain = discounts? = Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry La Pointe=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Hello everyone. I guess it is about time that I set forth what I feel = would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan Valley to Golden B.C. I = looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the ABFM in Vancouver.=20 Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast or slow (if you drive slow which = I find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The route then will split = and you can chose either the southern route along Highway 3 and 3A to = Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged beauty of the = Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it = follows a river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass = thru some spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the = Fraser River, the road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is = no problem with rough surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on = Hwy 8 , another scenic drive up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy = 5A to Princeton a bit of a windy road where you can "let it out" and = have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 then 3A to Penticton. There are several = Hotels available along the beach (Names and rates to follow). You can = select either route and it will get you to the same destination. The = long route will be about 2 hours longer. Day 2: A liesurely drive from Penticton to Vernon with stops at a = couple of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and pick up you = favourite variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes on the = way to Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads = that you can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has = several fine hotels with varying prices. Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede along Hwy 97 to Sicamous = (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be travelling = beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other travellers = (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede to Golden = travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and then to = the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops = will probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite = and Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg. I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 days for this leg as there is a = lot of breathtaking scenery along the way. I will be accompanying the = group that decides to travel the longer route on Day 1, as I have = travelled this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics on = call for the leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable = Map site to lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road = system. Any suggestions, Bob.. Barry La Pointe '72 E-Type V12 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley, BC) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour = of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights = (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their = own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and = perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on = their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some = emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing = committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards = only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied = down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others = much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour = quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour = guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, = counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I = would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us = may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_Vu+skoR/HVYsykI9K2INzw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Barry: that sounds great. Packing my bags already.
    Do we have any information about hotels in general: I mean any chain discounts?
                                                                    Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Hello everyone. I guess it is about time that I set forth what I feel would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan Valley to Golden B.C. I looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the ABFM in Vancouver.
 
Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast or slow (if you drive slow which I find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The route then will split and you can chose either the southern route along Highway 3 and 3A to Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged beauty of the Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it follows a river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass thru some spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the Fraser River, the road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is no problem with rough surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on Hwy 8 , another scenic drive up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy 5A to Princeton a bit of a windy road where you can "let it out" and have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 then 3A to Penticton. There are several Hotels available along the beach (Names and rates to follow). You can select either route and it will get you to the same destination. The long route will be about 2 hours longer.
 
Day 2: A liesurely drive from Penticton to Vernon with stops at a couple of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and pick up you favourite variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes on the way to Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads that you can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has several fine hotels with varying prices.
 
Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede along Hwy 97 to Sicamous (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be travelling beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other travellers (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede to Golden travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and then to the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops will probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite and  Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg.
 
I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 days for this leg as there is a lot of breathtaking scenery along the way. I will be accompanying the group that decides to travel the longer route on Day 1, as I have travelled this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics on call for the leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable Map site to lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road system. Any suggestions, Bob..
 
Barry La Pointe
'72 E-Type V12
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley, BC)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or two along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
 
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
 
--Boundary_(ID_Vu+skoR/HVYsykI9K2INzw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 01:04:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu May 8 00:04:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003201c31527$574c1e60$6400a8c0@jot> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C314EC.AAED4660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with what I think was the foregoing. =20 There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a = trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the = participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out = on their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO. =20 We can't babysit everyone. =20 Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory =20 I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, = per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a = gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own are pretty much = on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers. =20 Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing = committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well = as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid = of legal worries for the organizers. =20 I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much = less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org =20 -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides = in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads = and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or = should have such responsibilities. Gregory =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C314EC.AAED4660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I agree with what I = think was=20 the foregoing.
 
There is a route, = and the=20 SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing vehicle = that will=20 follow the proscribed route behind all the participants. It is the=20 responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and equipment = on board=20 to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out on their own and = take a=20 different route, or fails to follow the directions, they are on their = own,=20 IMHO.
 
We can't babysit=20 everyone.
 

Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - = Arizona
Jaguar Owners=20 North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
April 15 - July 4, 2004
Visit = the Pub=20 for route discussions

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf Of=20 Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Gregory
 
I liken the = SC's=20 coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through = their=20 province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent = discussion,=20 allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with = some=20 nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or = two along=20 the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on = their own,=20 except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will = have its own=20 flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have = to agree=20 to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, = legal,=20 and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the=20 organizers.
 
I have a hunch = some Sectors=20 will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom = and=20 variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North = American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 = 10:05=20 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor = baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding = people from=20 one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is = expected=20 of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our=20 responsibilities now. Some of us = may not feel=20 we can or should have such responsibilities.
    =    =20             =    =20            =20 Gregory
 
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C314EC.AAED4660-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 01:24:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Thu May 8 00:24:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <003201c31527$574c1e60$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <024301c3152a$05582ba0$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_r/63A3ohGS3XoK6GaOERsw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MessageBut Mark, since people are going to want to do different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have a follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a cycle tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There won't be any "final vehicle" of "all the participants" to follow. Our idea is that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, garages, an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more slowly, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Stephenson To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I agree with what I think was the foregoing. There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out on their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO. We can't babysit everyone. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_r/63A3ohGS3XoK6GaOERsw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
But Mark, since people are going to want to do different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have a follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a cycle tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There won't be any "final vehicle"  of "all the participants" to follow. Our idea is that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, garages, an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more slowly, etc.
                                        Gregory 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

I agree with what I think was the foregoing.
 
There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out on their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO.
 
We can't babysit everyone.
 

Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
April 15 - July 4, 2004
Visit the Pub for route discussions

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or two along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
 
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
 
--Boundary_(ID_r/63A3ohGS3XoK6GaOERsw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 01:29:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Thu May 8 00:29:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR References: Message-ID: <012501c3152a$b521b240$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C314F0.07F96FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, OK, I have done a little thinking on the route. Here are the tentative changes from your suggestion: Day 1 - all Hwy 1, with a detour to Mission San Antonio de Padua. Day 2 - Route goes via Santa Cruz, Boulder Creek, Big Basin Redwoods = Park,=20 Hwy 35, Hwy 92 to Half Moon Bay, Hwy 1 to SF, 24 Mile Scenic Drive in=20 SF (details TBD). Day 3 - to St Helena instead of Santa Rosa. Route via Mt. Tamalpais, Muir Woods, Bodega Bay, Sonoma, Napa. Alternate will be direct to = Sonoma or Napa Valley for a day of wine tasting and winery tours. Day 4 - via Cloverdale, Boonville, Mendocino, Leggett. May decide to=20 pick up Clear Lake and Kelseyville later, but it will be a long day in = any case, so maybe not. Not much rest in this sector, another day would not go amiss...I'd have = it between SF and Napa to allow a stopover. In fact, I recommend it. How's that look? Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Thanks Jerry. The most immediate need is days your sector takes to = traverse. If I can fix on what has been preliminarily laid out for you, = that is great until you have a chance to look at it in more detail. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:54 AM Bob, I have not done any work on the route yet. =20 I will definitely work on the schedule of days and nights you set up, and the=20 idea in your detailed map is taking the right direction, but I think a few of those roads are dirt, and will need to change. I'll be looking at it in the next month or so --=20 so don't cast anything in concrete yet for=20 my route. We're open to changes as we go on, right? I will want to drive some of the route to check it out before making it final. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps = rouler!" ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C314F0.07F96FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,
 
OK, I have done a little thinking on = the=20 route.
 
Here are the tentative changes from = your=20 suggestion:
 
Day 1 - all Hwy 1, with a detour to = Mission San=20 Antonio de Padua.
 
Day 2 - Route goes via Santa Cruz, = Boulder Creek,=20 Big Basin Redwoods Park,
Hwy 35, Hwy 92 to Half Moon Bay, Hwy 1 = to SF, 24=20 Mile Scenic Drive in
SF (details TBD).
 
Day 3 - to St Helena instead of Santa = Rosa. =20 Route via Mt. Tamalpais,
Muir Woods, Bodega Bay, Sonoma, = Napa. =20 Alternate will be direct to Sonoma or Napa
Valley for a day of wine tasting and = winery=20 tours.
 
Day 4 - via Cloverdale, Boonville, = Mendocino,=20 Leggett.  May decide to
pick up Clear Lake and Kelseyville = later, but it=20 will be a long day in any case,
so maybe not.
 
Not much rest in this sector, another = day would not=20 go amiss...I'd have it between SF
and Napa to allow a stopover.  In = fact, I=20 recommend it.
 
How's that look?
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

Thanks = Jerry.  The most=20 immediate need is days your sector takes to traverse.  If I can = fix on=20 what has been preliminarily laid out for you, that is great until you = have a=20 chance to look at it in more detail.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 9:54 = AM

Bob,
 
I have not done any work on the = route=20 yet. 
I will definitely work on the = schedule=20 of
days and nights you set up, and the =
idea in your detailed map is taking = the=20 right
direction, but I think a few of = those roads=20 are
dirt, and will need to = change.
 
I'll be looking at it in the next = month or so=20 --
so don't cast anything in = concrete yet for=20
my route.  We're open to = changes as we go=20 on,
right?  I will want to drive = some of the=20 route to check it
out before making it = final.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
 
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C314F0.07F96FC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 05:09:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu May 8 04:09:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; References: <00af01c314ee$d15e0e40$7701a8c0@c350735a> Message-ID: <017f01c31549$6f313e80$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_cKZnyr9ARcd85YFQ273tTA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MessageWhat! no 'JONAT does Dallas' !!! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: JONAT Webmaster To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; Jamie et al, We should definitely have a lawyer review the legal notice on the website. http://jonat.org/privacy.cfm I assume there is also a standard waiver template that we can use for the participants and drivers. Does JCNA have one? I can add whatever you want to the website. except for porno. at least at the present time. Greg -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:52 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage for this statement. Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 --Boundary_(ID_cKZnyr9ARcd85YFQ273tTA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
What! no 'JONAT does Dallas' !!!
 
Fazal
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility;

Jamie et al,
We should definitely have a lawyer review the legal notice on the website. http://jonat.org/privacy.cfm
I assume there is also a standard waiver template that we can use for the participants and drivers.  Does JCNA have one?
I can add whatever you want to the website.
 
 
except for porno.
 
 
at least at the present time.
 
 
Greg
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:52 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility; was - SECTOR ROUTES

Has anyone been in touch with or know a lawyer out here yet, that could be persuaded to provide some "pro bono" help in developing some verbiage for this statement.  Once it's identified it can be added to the "legal" page of the Web Site (right Greg?)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
--Boundary_(ID_cKZnyr9ARcd85YFQ273tTA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 05:16:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu May 8 04:16:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: Message-ID: <019101c3154a$84d17ab0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_DsZokmu+4ma/pprcgn1ASg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT And, we should all keep in mind that there will be a prize for the best sector as chosen by the tour participants. (I'm working on sourcing a draft that can be included in the Rally Pack that will be given to all Tourers). [a week with one of Greg's V12s? :-)] Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_DsZokmu+4ma/pprcgn1ASg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
And, we should all keep in mind that there will be a prize for the best sector as chosen by the tour participants. (I'm working on sourcing a draft that can be included in the Rally Pack that will be given to all Tourers).
 
[a week with one of Greg's V12s? :-)]
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or two along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
 
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
 
--Boundary_(ID_DsZokmu+4ma/pprcgn1ASg)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 05:20:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu May 8 04:20:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control References: <3EB9C210.5030904@jonat.org> Message-ID: <019901c3154b$078d7f30$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Mike, you are making excellent sense and, dare I say, almost providing a blueprint. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike O'Brien" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: [JONAT] command versus control > Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast > that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector > begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is > a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. The > second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to Montreal. > So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with lots of time > to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector info desk. > Nothing organized. Day two is scenic and charming ending at Ottawa with > a single hotel with an info desk and a club sponsored party with oil > changing and repair facilities co-located. A jag mech or two and their > shops will be on standby for more serious stuff. Day three is a > leisurely drive to Montreal through the mountains (little ones) where > all the signs are in french but AAA is accepted. Emergency numbers will > be provided for each leg to find someone who will help find the right > service for the stranded (probably CAA). I agree with Dr A. We are not > going to want to or be able to hold these folks hands. If they have a > break-down we will help if we can but it must be the participant's > responsibility to come prepared. Our Ottawa club members will want to > participate and I don't see how we can field a host of "keepers". > > Mike O'Brien > Sector Coordinator > Ottawa Sector > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 06:10:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu May 8 05:10:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Tour Support Vehicle References: <003201c31527$574c1e60$6400a8c0@jot> <024301c3152a$05582ba0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <01b701c31551$f9b3a4a0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01C315A5.CAF33730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageGregory et al, we are working on the concept of a Tour Support = vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel with the = tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for sale) and = tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics. Every = Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a = hand along the way. That's it.=20 The tour may be divided between a couple of these, from different = companies, just to spread the load. [An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring trailer-truck would be nice!] Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES But Mark, since people are going to want to do different things along = the route, I don't see how or why we would have a follow-up vehicle. = This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a cycle tour where = you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There won't be any = "final vehicle" of "all the participants" to follow. Our idea is that = you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, garages, = an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, = will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there = will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more = slowly, etc. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Stephenson=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I agree with what I think was the foregoing. There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a = trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the = participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have = sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone = decides to strike out on their own and take a different route, or fails = to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO. We can't babysit everyone. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a = tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the = highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on = their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, = and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on = their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some = emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing = committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards = only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied = down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others = much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour = quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour = guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, = counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I = would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us = may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01C315A5.CAF33730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Gregory et al, we are working on the = concept of a=20 Tour Support vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel = with the=20 tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for = sale) and=20 tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics. = Every=20 Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a = hand=20 along the way. That's it.
The tour may be divided between a = couple of these,=20 from different companies, just to spread the load.
[An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring = trailer-truck would be=20 nice!]
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 4:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

But Mark, since people are going to = want to do=20 different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have = a=20 follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like = a cycle=20 tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There = won't be=20 any "final vehicle"  of "all the participants" to follow. Our = idea is=20 that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, = garages, an=20 emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, = will=20 travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there = will be=20 people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more slowly, = etc.
        =             =    =20             =    =20 Gregory 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = Stephenson=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 11:01=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

I agree with = what I think=20 was the foregoing.
 
There is a = route,=20 and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing = vehicle=20 that will follow the proscribed route behind all the = participants. It=20 is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and = equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike = out on=20 their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the = directions,=20 they are on their own, IMHO.
 
We can't = babysit=20 everyone.
 

Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - = Arizona
Jaguar=20 Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
April 15 - July 4,=20 2004
Visit the Pub for route discussions =

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On=20 Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: = [JONAT]=20 SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
I = liken the SC's=20 coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends = through=20 their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per = recent=20 discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own).  = Plan a=20 route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps = a =20 gathering or two along the way.  Those who strike out on = their own=20 are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency = phone=20 numbers.
 
Each Sector = will have its=20 own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, = we have=20 to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get = some=20 financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of = legal=20 worries for the organizers.
 
I have a = hunch some=20 Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so.  = THAT=20 freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite=20 unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North = American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 = 10:05=20 AM

We are not police, nor minders, = nor=20 baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding = people=20 from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is = what is=20 expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our=20 responsibilities now. Some of = us may not=20 feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
    =    =20            =20            =20     Gregory
 
------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01C315A5.CAF33730-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 06:19:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu May 8 05:19:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Best Sector Prize; was - SECTOR ROUTES References: <019101c3154a$84d17ab0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <004901c31553$54454300$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C31518.A5DF9E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ya sure ... good luck selling that one! Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES And, we should all keep in mind that there will be a prize for the = best sector as chosen by the tour participants. (I'm working on sourcing = a draft that can be included in the Rally Pack that will be given to all = Tourers). [a week with one of Greg's V12s? :-)] Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour = of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights = (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their = own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and = perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on = their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some = emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing = committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards = only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied = down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others = much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour = quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour = guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, = counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I = would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us = may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C31518.A5DF9E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ya sure ... good luck selling that one! = <grin>
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 3:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

And, we should all keep in mind that = there will=20 be a prize for the best sector as chosen by the tour = participants. (I'm=20 working on sourcing a draft that can be included in the Rally Pack = that will=20 be given to all Tourers).
 
[a week with one of Greg's V12s?=20 :-)]
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 11:34=20 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Gregory
 
I = liken the SC's=20 coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends = through their=20 province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent = discussion,=20 allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route = with some=20 nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or = two=20 along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty = much on=20 their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone=20 numbers.
 
Each Sector = will have its=20 own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we = have to=20 agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some = financial,=20 legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries = for the=20 organizers.
 
I have a hunch = some Sectors=20 will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT = freedom and=20 variance is what will make our Tour quite = unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North = American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 = 10:05=20 AM

We are not police, nor minders, = nor=20 baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding = people from=20 one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is = expected=20 of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our=20 responsibilities now. Some of = us may not=20 feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
    =    =20            =20            =20     Gregory
 
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C31518.A5DF9E80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:04:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Thu May 8 11:04:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Tour Support Vehicle References: <003201c31527$574c1e60$6400a8c0@jot> <024301c3152a$05582ba0$77214518@LaptopG> <01b701c31551$f9b3a4a0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <003601c31582$aba67310$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_6xhuhSODe4MgmotHuv8M6A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MessageAh.... you mean a vehicle which will make the entire tour route! a good idea, if it can be done. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Tour Support Vehicle Gregory et al, we are working on the concept of a Tour Support vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel with the tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for sale) and tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics. Every Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a hand along the way. That's it. The tour may be divided between a couple of these, from different companies, just to spread the load. [An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring trailer-truck would be nice!] Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES But Mark, since people are going to want to do different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have a follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a cycle tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There won't be any "final vehicle" of "all the participants" to follow. Our idea is that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, garages, an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more slowly, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Stephenson To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES I agree with what I think was the foregoing. There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out on their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO. We can't babysit everyone. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_6xhuhSODe4MgmotHuv8M6A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Ah.... you mean a vehicle which will make the entire tour route! a good idea, if it can be done.
                        Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Tour Support Vehicle

Gregory et al, we are working on the concept of a Tour Support vehicle (suitably sponsored and liveried) that will travel with the tour. It will carry a small selection of the usual spares (for sale) and tools and be occupied by a couple of Jaguar-experienced mechanics. Every Tourer, on or off the route, will know its there if they need a bit of a hand along the way. That's it.
The tour may be divided between a couple of these, from different companies, just to spread the load.
[An ex-Jaguar Racing Touring trailer-truck would be nice!]
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

But Mark, since people are going to want to do different things along the route, I don't see how or why we would have a follow-up vehicle. This is not our idea here, for sure. It isn't like a cycle tour where you have twenty people riding in a group, or is it? There won't be any "final vehicle"  of "all the participants" to follow. Our idea is that you give them the route maps, suggestions for eating, hotels, garages, an emergency number, and send them on their way; naturally most or many, will travel together, so there will be a de facto "group", but there will be people who want to go ahead, turn off, stay behind, drive more slowly, etc.
                                        Gregory 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

I agree with what I think was the foregoing.
 
There is a route, and the SC should have either a sag wagon or a trailing vehicle that will follow the proscribed route behind all the participants. It is the responsibility of the participant to have sufficient maps and equipment on board to follow the route. If someone decides to strike out on their own and take a different route, or fails to follow the directions, they are on their own, IMHO.
 
We can't babysit everyone.
 

Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona
Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org)
April 15 - July 4, 2004
Visit the Pub for route discussions

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or two along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
 
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
 
--Boundary_(ID_6xhuhSODe4MgmotHuv8M6A)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 14:09:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Thu May 8 13:09:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control In-Reply-To: <3EB9C210.5030904@jonat.org> References: <3EB9C210.5030904@jonat.org> Message-ID: <1235.205.200.65.82.1052420775.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Mike, Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on following the aptly named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. Quinte also is very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three days in my sector, although there is only one road to follow for the Ontario part of it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and with luck I'll see them myself next summer. Alan Heartfield Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour www.jonat.org > Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast > that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector > begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is > a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. > The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to > Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with > lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector > info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... > > Mike O'Brien > Sector Coordinator > Ottawa Sector > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 17:06:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Thu May 8 16:06:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control References: <3EB9C210.5030904@jonat.org> <1235.205.200.65.82.1052420775.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Message-ID: <3EBAD40A.5030204@jonat.org> Hi. i don't want to make this a race. i want to get out of TO and then take everyone along hwy 2 from Port Hope through quinte but with enough time to explore kingston. If we get North of the 401 we won't be able to do both. Also there are no days off from Chicago to Boston-I sense that the gang is going to be bushed if we ware not careful. Our next meeting is next Monday. I will say hello for you. Mike alan@heartfield.net wrote: >Mike, > >Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on following the aptly >named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around >Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. Quinte also is >very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three days in my >sector, although there is only one road to follow for the Ontario part of >it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and >with luck I'll see them myself next summer. > >Alan Heartfield >Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator >Jaguar Owners North American Tour >www.jonat.org > > > > > >>Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast >>that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector >>begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is >> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. >>The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to >>Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with >>lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector >>info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... >> >>Mike O'Brien >>Sector Coordinator >>Ottawa Sector >>www.jonat.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >>www.jonat.org >>_______________________________________________ >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 20:34:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu May 8 19:34:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: <001a01c3151a$ffee34c0$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C31594.3791F000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry ... don't worry about laying out the route if you don't have route mapping software. I'll map it out for you and send you a copy for "vetting". I should be able to get at this on the weekend. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Barry La Pointe Sent: May 7, 2003 10:34 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Hello everyone. I guess it is about time that I set forth what I feel would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan Valley to Golden B.C. I looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the ABFM in Vancouver. Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast or slow (if you drive slow which I find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The route then will split and you can chose either the southern route along Highway 3 and 3A to Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged beauty of the Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it follows a river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass thru some spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the Fraser River, the road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is no problem with rough surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on Hwy 8 , another scenic drive up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy 5A to Princeton a bit of a windy road where you can "let it out" and have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 then 3A to Penticton. There are several Hotels available along the beach (Names and rates to follow). You can select either route and it will get you to the same destination. The long route will be about 2 hours longer. Day 2: A liesurely drive from Penticton to Vernon with stops at a couple of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and pick up you favourite variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes on the way to Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads that you can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has several fine hotels with varying prices. Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede along Hwy 97 to Sicamous (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be travelling beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other travellers (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede to Golden travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and then to the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops will probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite and Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg. I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 days for this leg as there is a lot of breathtaking scenery along the way. I will be accompanying the group that decides to travel the longer route on Day 1, as I have travelled this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics on call for the leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable Map site to lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road system. Any suggestions, Bob.. Barry La Pointe '72 E-Type V12 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley, BC) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C31594.3791F000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Barry ... don't = worry about=20 laying out the route if you don't have route mapping software.  = I'll map it=20 out for you and send you a copy for "vetting".  I should be able to = get at=20 this on the weekend.
 
Bob
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of=20 Barry La Pointe
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:34 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Hello everyone. I guess it is about = time that I=20 set forth what I feel would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan = Valley=20 to Golden B.C. I looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the = ABFM in=20 Vancouver.
 
Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast = or slow (if=20 you drive slow which I find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The = route=20 then will split and you can chose either the southern route along = Highway=20 3 and 3A to Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged = beauty of the=20 Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it = follows a=20 river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass thru = some=20 spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the Fraser = River, the=20 road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is no problem with = rough=20 surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on Hwy 8 , another = scenic drive=20 up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy 5A to Princeton a bit of a = windy=20 road where you can "let it out" and have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 = then 3A to=20 Penticton. There are several Hotels available along the beach (Names = and rates=20 to follow). You can select either route and it will get you to the = same=20 destination. The long route will be about 2 hours longer.
 
Day 2: A liesurely drive from = Penticton to Vernon=20 with stops at a couple of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and = pick up=20 you favourite variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes = on the=20 way to Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads = that you=20 can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has several = fine=20 hotels with varying prices.
 
Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede = along Hwy 97=20 to Sicamous (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be = travelling beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other=20 travellers (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede = to Golden=20 travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and = then to=20 the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops = will=20 probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite = and =20 Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg.
 
I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 = days for=20 this leg as there is a lot of breathtaking scenery along the way. I = will be=20 accompanying the group that decides to travel the longer route on Day = 1, as I=20 have travelled this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics = on call=20 for the leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable Map = site to=20 lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road system. Any=20 suggestions, Bob..
 
Barry La Pointe
'72 E-Type V12
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour=20 (JONAT)
Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley,=20 BC)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 = 6:34=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Gregory
 
I = liken the SC's=20 coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends = through their=20 province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent = discussion,=20 allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route = with some=20 nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or = two=20 along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty = much on=20 their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone=20 numbers.
 
Each Sector = will have its=20 own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we = have to=20 agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some = financial,=20 legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries = for the=20 organizers.
 
I have a hunch = some Sectors=20 will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT = freedom and=20 variance is what will make our Tour quite = unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North = American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 = 10:05=20 AM

We are not police, nor minders, = nor=20 baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding = people from=20 one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is = expected=20 of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our=20 responsibilities now. Some of = us may not=20 feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
    =    =20            =20            =20     Gregory
 
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C31594.3791F000-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 20:34:05 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu May 8 19:34:05 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR In-Reply-To: <012501c3152a$b521b240$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C31594.AB292790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks good Jerry ... I'll update the map on the weekend and send it to you to have a look at. ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: May 8, 2003 12:26 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Bob, OK, I have done a little thinking on the route. Here are the tentative changes from your suggestion: Day 1 - all Hwy 1, with a detour to Mission San Antonio de Padua. Day 2 - Route goes via Santa Cruz, Boulder Creek, Big Basin Redwoods Park, Hwy 35, Hwy 92 to Half Moon Bay, Hwy 1 to SF, 24 Mile Scenic Drive in SF (details TBD). Day 3 - to St Helena instead of Santa Rosa. Route via Mt. Tamalpais, Muir Woods, Bodega Bay, Sonoma, Napa. Alternate will be direct to Sonoma or Napa Valley for a day of wine tasting and winery tours. Day 4 - via Cloverdale, Boonville, Mendocino, Leggett. May decide to pick up Clear Lake and Kelseyville later, but it will be a long day in any case, so maybe not. Not much rest in this sector, another day would not go amiss...I'd have it between SF and Napa to allow a stopover. In fact, I recommend it. How's that look? Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO SECTOR COORDINATOR Thanks Jerry. The most immediate need is days your sector takes to traverse. If I can fix on what has been preliminarily laid out for you, that is great until you have a chance to look at it in more detail. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 6, 2003 9:54 AM Bob, I have not done any work on the route yet. I will definitely work on the schedule of days and nights you set up, and the idea in your detailed map is taking the right direction, but I think a few of those roads are dirt, and will need to change. I'll be looking at it in the next month or so -- so don't cast anything in concrete yet for my route. We're open to changes as we go on, right? I will want to drive some of the route to check it out before making it final. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C31594.AB292790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks good Jerry = ... I'll=20 update the map on the weekend and send it to you to have a look at. ...=20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry=20 Mouton
Sent: May 8, 2003 12:26 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SAN FRANCISCO = SECTOR=20 COORDINATOR

Bob,
 
OK, I have done a little thinking on = the=20 route.
 
Here are the tentative changes from = your=20 suggestion:
 
Day 1 - all Hwy 1, with a detour to = Mission San=20 Antonio de Padua.
 
Day 2 - Route goes via Santa Cruz, = Boulder Creek,=20 Big Basin Redwoods Park,
Hwy 35, Hwy 92 to Half Moon Bay, Hwy = 1 to SF, 24=20 Mile Scenic Drive in
SF (details TBD).
 
Day 3 - to St Helena instead of Santa = Rosa. =20 Route via Mt. Tamalpais,
Muir Woods, Bodega Bay, Sonoma, = Napa. =20 Alternate will be direct to Sonoma or Napa
Valley for a day of wine tasting and = winery=20 tours.
 
Day 4 - via Cloverdale, Boonville, = Mendocino,=20 Leggett.  May decide to
pick up Clear Lake and Kelseyville = later, but it=20 will be a long day in any case,
so maybe not.
 
Not much rest in this sector, another = day would=20 not go amiss...I'd have it between SF
and Napa to allow a stopover.  = In fact, I=20 recommend it.
 
How's that look?
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 = 4:54=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SAN = FRANCISCO=20 SECTOR COORDINATOR

Thanks = Jerry.  The=20 most immediate need is days your sector takes to traverse.  If = I can=20 fix on what has been preliminarily laid out for you, that is great = until you=20 have a chance to look at it in more detail.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 = XJ6
Jaguar Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 6, 2003 = 9:54=20 AM

Bob,
 
I have not done any work on the = route=20 yet. 
I will definitely work on the = schedule=20 of
days and nights you set up, and = the=20
idea in your detailed map is = taking the=20 right
direction, but I think a few of = those roads=20 are
dirt, and will need to = change.
 
I'll be looking at it in the next = month or so=20 --
so don't cast anything in = concrete yet=20 for
my route.  We're open to = changes as we=20 go on,
right?  I will want to drive = some of the=20 route to check it
out before making it = final.
 
Jerry
 
Jerry=20 = Mouton           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C31594.AB292790-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 20:34:08 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu May 8 19:34:08 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control In-Reply-To: <1235.205.200.65.82.1052420775.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Message-ID: Alan Do you need another day in your sector? If so, just let me know - should be no problem as we do not have any events we are trying to hook up with downstream of you. Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of alan@heartfield.net |Sent: May 8, 2003 1:06 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control | | |Mike, | |Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on following the aptly |named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around |Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. Quinte also is |very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three days in my |sector, although there is only one road to follow for the Ontario part of |it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and |with luck I'll see them myself next summer. | |Alan Heartfield |Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator |Jaguar Owners North American Tour |www.jonat.org | | | |> Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast |> that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector |> begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is |> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. |> The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to |> Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with |> lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector |> info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... |> |> Mike O'Brien |> Sector Coordinator |> Ottawa Sector |> www.jonat.org |> |> |> _______________________________________________ |> JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |> REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |> www.jonat.org |> _______________________________________________ | | | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 8 20:34:11 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu May 8 19:34:11 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control In-Reply-To: <3EBAD40A.5030204@jonat.org> Message-ID: I guess I'd better add a day off in there somewhere (Chicago to Boston). The original thought was to have at least one day off a week. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mike O'Brien |Sent: May 8, 2003 4:03 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control | | |Hi. i don't want to make this a race. i want to get out of TO and then |take everyone along hwy 2 from Port Hope through quinte but with enough |time to explore kingston. If we get North of the 401 we won't be able to |do both. Also there are no days off from Chicago to Boston-I sense that |the gang is going to be bushed if we ware not careful. Our next meeting |is next Monday. I will say hello for you. | |Mike | |alan@heartfield.net wrote: | |>Mike, |> |>Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on following the aptly |>named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around |>Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. Quinte also is |>very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three days in my |>sector, although there is only one road to follow for the Ontario part of |>it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and |>with luck I'll see them myself next summer. |> |>Alan Heartfield |>Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator |>Jaguar Owners North American Tour |>www.jonat.org |> |> |> |> |> |>>Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast |>>that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector |>>begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is |>> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. |>>The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to |>>Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with |>>lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector |>>info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... |>> |>>Mike O'Brien |>>Sector Coordinator |>>Ottawa Sector |>>www.jonat.org |>> |>> |>>_______________________________________________ |>>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |>>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |>>www.jonat.org |>>_______________________________________________ |>> |>> |> |> |> |>_______________________________________________ |>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |>www.jonat.org |>_______________________________________________ |> |> |> |> | | | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 00:41:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Thu May 8 23:41:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <001a01c3151a$ffee34c0$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <021f01c31526$35bd3a00$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <003f01c315cd$5c1e8990$44e25418@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KfucphpSwgmQohX4BbbTmg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I have not got that far yet but every year we hold a Valley wide rally = organized by the OBCC (Okanagan British Car Club) and have had terrific = response from all of the hotels that we approach. I would expect the = same interest on this event. Penticton has been especially accomodating. Barry. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Barry: that sounds great. Packing my bags already.=20 Do we have any information about hotels in general: I mean any = chain discounts? = Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry La Pointe=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Hello everyone. I guess it is about time that I set forth what I = feel would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan Valley to Golden = B.C. I looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the ABFM in = Vancouver.=20 Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast or slow (if you drive slow = which I find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The route then will = split and you can chose either the southern route along Highway 3 and 3A = to Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged beauty of the = Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it = follows a river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass = thru some spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the = Fraser River, the road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is = no problem with rough surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on = Hwy 8 , another scenic drive up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy = 5A to Princeton a bit of a windy road where you can "let it out" and = have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 then 3A to Penticton. There are several = Hotels available along the beach (Names and rates to follow). You can = select either route and it will get you to the same destination. The = long route will be about 2 hours longer. Day 2: A liesurely drive from Penticton to Vernon with stops at a = couple of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and pick up you = favourite variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes on the = way to Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads = that you can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has = several fine hotels with varying prices. Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede along Hwy 97 to Sicamous = (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be travelling = beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other travellers = (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede to Golden = travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and then to = the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops = will probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite = and Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg. I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 days for this leg as there is a = lot of breathtaking scenery along the way. I will be accompanying the = group that decides to travel the longer route on Day 1, as I have = travelled this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics on = call for the leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable = Map site to lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road = system. Any suggestions, Bob.. Barry La Pointe '72 E-Type V12 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley, BC) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Gregory I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a = tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the = highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on = their own). Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, = and perhaps a gathering or two along the way. Those who strike out on = their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some = emergency phone numbers. Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing = committee. As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards = only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied = down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers. I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others = much less so. THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour = quite unique. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour = guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, = counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I = would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us = may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_KfucphpSwgmQohX4BbbTmg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I have not got that far yet but every year we hold a Valley wide rally organized by the OBCC (Okanagan British Car Club) and have had terrific response from all of the hotels that we approach. I would expect the same interest on this event. Penticton has been especially accomodating.
Barry.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Barry: that sounds great. Packing my bags already.
    Do we have any information about hotels in general: I mean any chain discounts?
                                                                    Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Hello everyone. I guess it is about time that I set forth what I feel would be an interesting route thru the Okanagan Valley to Golden B.C. I looks like I will pick up the group from Greg at the ABFM in Vancouver.
 
Day 1: The drive out to Hope is fast or slow (if you drive slow which I find hard to believe of any Jaguar owner). The route then will split and you can chose either the southern route along Highway 3 and 3A to Penticton, a nice drive but you will miss the rugged beauty of the Fraser Canyon (Hwy 1). The southern route is basically flat as it follows a river valley. If you chose to travel up Highway 1 we will pass thru some spectacular vistas of canyon walls plunging down into the Fraser River, the road is part of the Trans-Canada highway so there is no problem with rough surfaces. At Spences Bridge we will head East on Hwy 8 , another scenic drive up to Meritt. We will then go south on Hwy 5A to Princeton a bit of a windy road where you can "let it out" and have some fun, then onto Hwy 3 then 3A to Penticton. There are several Hotels available along the beach (Names and rates to follow). You can select either route and it will get you to the same destination. The long route will be about 2 hours longer.
 
Day 2: A liesurely drive from Penticton to Vernon with stops at a couple of "Cottage Wineries" to do some sampling and pick up you favourite variety. We will pass alongside of several large lakes on the way to Kelowna and north to Vernon. There are several secondary roads that you can chose if you want to get off the main Hwy.Vernon also has several fine hotels with varying prices.
 
Day 3: We leave Vernon and procede along Hwy 97 to Sicamous (pronounced..sick-a-moose) don't ask why. Again we will be travelling beside some beautiful lakes. At Sick-a-moose we join other travellers (probably not in Jaguars) on Hwy #1. We will then procede to Golden travelling across the Monashee Mountain Range, Rogers Pass and then to the Rockies in Golden. This will be a scenic trip as the mountain tops will probably still be covered in snow. Golden is where we will overnite and  Craig will meet us for the Calgary leg.
 
I hope that I am allowed to use up 3 days for this leg as there is a lot of breathtaking scenery along the way. I will be accompanying the group that decides to travel the longer route on Day 1, as I have travelled this route many times. There will also be Jag mechanics on call for the leg, should the need arise. I still have to find asuitable Map site to lay this out. Map Quest seems to cater to the USA road system. Any suggestions, Bob..
 
Barry La Pointe
'72 E-Type V12
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator (Okanagan Valley, BC)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES

Gregory
 
I liken the SC's coordinator's responsibilities to organizing a tour of friends through their province / state, showing them the highlights (or, per recent discussion, allowing them to go strike out on their own).  Plan a route with some nice spots to see, eat, and sleep, and perhaps a  gathering or two along the way.  Those who strike out on their own are pretty much on their own, except for perhaps some emergency phone numbers.
 
Each Sector will have its own flavour as set by the organizing committee.  As a group, we have to agree to a minimum set of standards only, as well as to get some financial, legal, and insurance issues tied down to get rid of legal worries for the organizers.
 
I have a hunch some Sectors will be quite structured, and others much less so.  THAT freedom and variance is what will make our Tour quite unique.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
Sent: May 7, 2003 10:05 AM

We are not police, nor minders, nor baby-sitters, nor even tour guides in the snese of shepherding people from one spot to another, counting heads and so on. If this is what is expected of the SC's, I would like to know the limits of our responsibilities now. Some of us may not feel we can or should have such responsibilities.
                                    Gregory
 
--Boundary_(ID_KfucphpSwgmQohX4BbbTmg)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 00:42:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Thu May 8 23:42:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <004001c314b5$0ded7dd0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <3EBB4006.4D69EE17@interworld.net> I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen Automotive museum rallies. ron Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 10:26:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Fri May 9 09:26:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control In-Reply-To: References: <1235.205.200.65.82.1052420775.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Message-ID: <1901.205.200.65.82.1052493836.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Bob, I'm not sure yet. I just this morning had an email from the first person who has volunteered to help with this sector. So I want to discuss ideas for route, stops, accomodation with him and get some more local input before making a decision. How long have I got before you need to know? Mike - excellent choice! Port Hope and Quinte are lovely areas. Alan Heartfield Winnipeg Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour www.jonat.org > Alan > > Do you need another day in your sector? If so, just let me know - > should be no problem as we do not have any events we are trying to hook > up with downstream of you. > > Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of alan@heartfield.net > |Sent: May 8, 2003 1:06 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control > | > | > |Mike, > | > |Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on following the > aptly |named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area > around |Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. > Quinte also is |very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had > three days in my |sector, although there is only one road to follow for > the Ontario part of |it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC > when you see them, and |with luck I'll see them myself next summer. > | > |Alan Heartfield > |Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator > |Jaguar Owners North American Tour > |www.jonat.org > | > | > | > |> Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast > |> that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector |> > begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is > |> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. > |> The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to > |> Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with > |> lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a > sector |> info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... > |> > |> Mike O'Brien > |> Sector Coordinator > |> Ottawa Sector > |> www.jonat.org > |> > |> > |> _______________________________________________ > |> JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > |> REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > |> www.jonat.org > |> _______________________________________________ > | > | > | > |_______________________________________________ > |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > |www.jonat.org > |_______________________________________________ > | > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 11:23:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri May 9 10:23:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control References: Message-ID: <01c201c31646$d3e492c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Agreed. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] command versus control > Alan > > Do you need another day in your sector? If so, just let me know - should be > no problem as we do not have any events we are trying to hook up with > downstream of you. > > Bob > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of alan@heartfield.net > |Sent: May 8, 2003 1:06 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control > | > | > |Mike, > | > |Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on following the aptly > |named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around > |Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. Quinte also is > |very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three days in my > |sector, although there is only one road to follow for the Ontario part of > |it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and > |with luck I'll see them myself next summer. > | > |Alan Heartfield > |Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator > |Jaguar Owners North American Tour > |www.jonat.org > | > | > | > |> Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast > |> that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector > |> begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is > |> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. > |> The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to > |> Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with > |> lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector > |> info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... > |> > |> Mike O'Brien > |> Sector Coordinator > |> Ottawa Sector > |> www.jonat.org > |> > |> > |> _______________________________________________ > |> JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > |> REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > |> www.jonat.org > |> _______________________________________________ > | > | > | > |_______________________________________________ > |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > |www.jonat.org > |_______________________________________________ > | > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 11:27:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri May 9 10:27:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fazal's Birthday! Message-ID: <01d801c31647$71c179e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Hey everyone! I snagged this tidbit of info over on Jag-Lover's! Happy Birthday Fazal! How many is that now? 28 (again)? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "nwjag" To: "Jamie-JONAT" Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:08 AM Subject: Fw: [xj] Owners ages > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fazal Cader" > To: "XJ Lovers" > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:13 AM > Subject: Re: [xj] Owners ages > (referring to birtthdays) > > Many Happy returns for yesterday. Mine was on the 6th. [can I change my > star > > sign from a bull to a Jaguar? Or may I/we should also buy a Lamborghini?] > > > > Fazal > > MEL/Oz > > 82 XJ6 > > www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 12:11:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Fri May 9 11:11:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <004001c314b5$0ded7dd0$77214518@LaptopG> <3EBB4006.4D69EE17@interworld.net> Message-ID: <004501c3164c$c0e3b560$77214518@LaptopG> What does this form say? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen Automotive museum : rallies. : ron : : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 14:31:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri May 9 13:31:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: Mail Hell References: <6b.109e52a6.2bed3dd6@aol.com> Message-ID: <029601c31661$2f18d060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0293_01C31626.80C26E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Robert. I got your message, but I assume it came via the "jamie @ = jonat.org" as I believe Bob is the recipient of the "mailman-owner @ = autox.team.net" and obviously "engl@ yadda, yadda". These are strange problems. I have not heard anyone else reporting = this, but then how many others are using a MAC? This I do not know. Have you been getting the "jonat @ autox.team.net" emails? As you can = see, I've cc'd this note to verify if the 'jonat@ auto ...' is working = for you. Let us know, Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RMac@aol.com=20 To: engl@jonat.org ; mailman-owner@autox.team.net ; jamie@jonat.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Mail Hell I signed up originally using my main e-mail account, RMac@aol.com, but = had trouble with mail from JONAT being refused or delayed in delivery to = my account. Eventually, I was assigned a JONAT account, and several = days after that someone asked me why I was not using it. I was not = because the announcement of same was one of the messages which was lost. = =20 I started using my JONAT account and all was OK from March 30 onwards. Several days ago, the mail server for JONAT began refusing to accept = mail from me, although I was was still able to receive it. The usual = message is =E2=80=9CThe server returned the following error: Invalid = userid/password.=E2=80=9D I sometimes received =E2=80=9CA message in = your Outbox could not be sent using account "JONAT." The server did not = recognize the recipients or the server refuses to allow you to send = mail. not local host autox.team.net, not a gateway.=E2=80=9D Then, on May 7, my ability to SEND mail was briefly restored. I sent = two messages. By the end of the day, my ability to both send and = receive was lost. All of this was using Microsoft Entourage, my preferred mail program. = During this time, I continued to be able to send and receive mail = through the other account I use Entourage for, robertmacleay@mac.com. I went so far as to delete my JONAT account from Entourage, erase my = application preferences, and re-enter all the JONAT account information. = Still no good. Thursday May 8, I COPIED the futile settings out of Entourage and = entered them into an alternate e-mail program, Apple Mail. I was now = able to send and receive JONAT e-mail! Hooray! =20 This morning, May 9, Apple Mail is reporting the same errors as = Entourage, and I am once again incommunicado.=20 PLEASE RESPOND SO I KNOW WHETHER THIS MESSAGE GOT THROUGH! --=20 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0293_01C31626.80C26E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Robert.  I got your message, = but I assume=20 it came via the "jamie @ jonat.org" as I believe Bob is the recipient of = the=20 "mailman-owner @ autox.team.net" and obviously "engl@ yadda,=20 yadda".
 
These are strange problems.  I = have not heard=20 anyone else reporting this, but then how many others are using a = MAC?  This=20 I do not know.
 
Have you been getting the "jonat @ = autox.team.net"=20 emails?  As you can see, I've cc'd this note to verify if the = 'jonat@ auto=20 ...' is working for you.
 
Let us know,
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RMac@aol.com =
To: engl@jonat.org ; mailman-owner@autox.team.net= ;=20 jamie@jonat.org=20
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 = 10:22 AM
Subject: Mail Hell

I signed up originally using my main e-mail = account, RMac@aol.com, but had trouble with = mail from=20 JONAT being refused or delayed in delivery to my account.  = Eventually, I=20 was assigned a JONAT account, and several days after that someone = asked me why=20 I was not using it.  I was not because the announcement of same = was one=20 of the messages which was lost. 

I started using my JONAT = account=20 and all was OK from March 30 onwards.

Several days ago, the = mail server=20 for JONAT began refusing to accept mail from me, although I was was = still able=20 to receive it.  The usual message is =E2=80=9CThe server returned = the following=20 error: Invalid userid/password.=E2=80=9D  I sometimes received = =E2=80=9CA message in your=20 Outbox could not be sent using account "JONAT."  The server did = not=20 recognize the recipients or the server refuses to allow you to send=20 mail.  not local host autox.team.net, not a = gateway.=E2=80=9D

Then, on May=20 7, my ability to SEND mail was briefly restored.  I sent two=20 messages.  By the end of the day, my ability to both send and = receive was=20 lost.

All of this was using Microsoft Entourage, my preferred = mail=20 program.  During this time, I continued to be able to send and = receive=20 mail through the other account I use Entourage for,=20 robertmacleay@mac.com.

I went so far as to delete my JONAT = account from=20 Entourage, erase my application preferences, and re-enter all the = JONAT=20 account information.  Still no good.

Thursday May 8, I = COPIED the=20 futile settings out of Entourage and entered them into an alternate = e-mail=20 program, Apple Mail.  I was now able to send and receive JONAT=20 e-mail!  Hooray! 

This morning, May 9, Apple Mail is = reporting the same errors as Entourage, and I am once again = incommunicado.=20

PLEASE RESPOND SO I KNOW WHETHER THIS MESSAGE GOT = THROUGH!
--=20

Robert MacLeay  -  Denver, CO
1990 VDP=20 Majestic
Colorado Sector Coordinator
Jaguar Owners North = American Tour=20 2004  -  http://jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_0293_01C31626.80C26E20-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 17:56:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri May 9 16:56:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Arizona In-Reply-To: <029601c31661$2f18d060$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3164B.87437850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure if you guys have been following the complements the fellows = down Phoenix way have received on the PUB list from people attending the = JCNA event down that way. I know Mark was involved in organizing the = event. Congratulations Mark! Obviously a well organized affair. I = hope you'll choose to pass on some of your secrets to us! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3164B.87437850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I'm not sure if you = guys have=20 been following the complements the fellows down Phoenix way have = received on the=20 PUB list from people attending the JCNA event down that way.  I = know Mark=20 was involved in organizing the event.  Congratulations Mark! =20 Obviously a well organized affair.  I hope you'll choose to pass on = some of=20 your secrets to us!
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3164B.87437850-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 18:06:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Fri May 9 17:06:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control References: Message-ID: <3EBC3385.5090900@jonat.org> How about ottawa? Bob wrote: >I guess I'd better add a day off in there somewhere (Chicago to Boston). >The original thought was to have at least one day off a week. > >Bob England >'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >Route Coordinator >http://www.jonat.org > > > >|-----Original Message----- >|From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On >|Behalf Of Mike O'Brien >|Sent: May 8, 2003 4:03 PM >|To: jonat@autox.team.net >|Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control >| >| >|Hi. i don't want to make this a race. i want to get out of TO and then >|take everyone along hwy 2 from Port Hope through quinte but with enough >|time to explore kingston. If we get North of the 401 we won't be able to >|do both. Also there are no days off from Chicago to Boston-I sense that >|the gang is going to be bushed if we ware not careful. Our next meeting >|is next Monday. I will say hello for you. >| >|Mike >| >|alan@heartfield.net wrote: >| >|>Mike, >|> >|>Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on following the aptly >|>named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around >|>Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. Quinte also is >|>very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three days in my >|>sector, although there is only one road to follow for the Ontario part of >|>it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and >|>with luck I'll see them myself next summer. >|> >|>Alan Heartfield >|>Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator >|>Jaguar Owners North American Tour >|>www.jonat.org >|> >|> >|> >|> >|> >|>>Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast >|>>that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector >|>>begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and Ottawa. That is >|>> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. >|>>The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to >|>>Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with >|>>lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector >|>>info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... >|>> >|>>Mike O'Brien >|>>Sector Coordinator >|>>Ottawa Sector >|>>www.jonat.org >|>> >|>> >|>>_______________________________________________ >|>>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|>>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|>>www.jonat.org >|>>_______________________________________________ >|>> >|>> >|> >|> >|> >|>_______________________________________________ >|>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|>www.jonat.org >|>_______________________________________________ >|> >|> >|> >|> >| >| >| >|_______________________________________________ >|JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|www.jonat.org >|_______________________________________________ >| > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 18:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri May 9 17:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control In-Reply-To: <1901.205.200.65.82.1052493836.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Message-ID: Alan Could you let me know by the end of the Victoria Day weekend? Bob England |-----Original Message----- |Sent: May 9, 2003 9:24 AM | |Bob, | |I'm not sure yet. I just this morning had an email from the first person |who has volunteered to help with this sector. So I want to discuss ideas |for route, stops, accomodation with him and get some more local input |before making a decision. How long have I got before you need to know? |Mike - excellent choice! Port Hope and Quinte are lovely areas. | |Alan Heartfield |Winnipeg Sector Coordinator |Jaguar Owners North American Tour |www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 18:15:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri May 9 17:15:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control In-Reply-To: <3EBC3385.5090900@jonat.org> Message-ID: Ottawa it is ! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mike O'Brien |Sent: May 9, 2003 5:02 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control | | |How about ottawa? | |Bob wrote: | |>I guess I'd better add a day off in there somewhere (Chicago to Boston). |>The original thought was to have at least one day off a week. |> |>Bob England |>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 |>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) |>Route Coordinator |>http://www.jonat.org |> |> |> |>|-----Original Message----- |>|From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |>|Behalf Of Mike O'Brien |>|Sent: May 8, 2003 4:03 PM |>|To: jonat@autox.team.net |>|Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control |>| |>| |>|Hi. i don't want to make this a race. i want to get out of TO and then |>|take everyone along hwy 2 from Port Hope through quinte but with enough |>|time to explore kingston. If we get North of the 401 we won't be able to |>|do both. Also there are no days off from Chicago to Boston-I sense that |>|the gang is going to be bushed if we ware not careful. Our next meeting |>|is next Monday. I will say hello for you. |>| |>|Mike |>| |>|alan@heartfield.net wrote: |>| |>|>Mike, |>|> |>|>Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on |following the aptly |>|>named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around |>|>Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. |Quinte also is |>|>very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three |days in my |>|>sector, although there is only one road to follow for the |Ontario part of |>|>it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and |>|>with luck I'll see them myself next summer. |>|> |>|>Alan Heartfield |>|>Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator |>|>Jaguar Owners North American Tour |>|>www.jonat.org |>|> |>|> |>|> |>|> |>|> |>|>>Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast |>|>>that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector |>|>>begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and |Ottawa. That is |>|>> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. |>|>>The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to |>|>>Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with |>|>>lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector |>|>>info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... |>|>> |>|>>Mike O'Brien |>|>>Sector Coordinator |>|>>Ottawa Sector |>|>>www.jonat.org |>|>> |>|>> |>|>>_______________________________________________ |>|>>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |>|>>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |>|>>www.jonat.org |>|>>_______________________________________________ |>|>> |>|>> |>|> |>|> |>|> |>|>_______________________________________________ |>|>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |>|>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |>|>www.jonat.org |>|>_______________________________________________ |>|> |>|> |>|> |>|> |>| |>| |>| |>|_______________________________________________ |>|JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |>|REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |>|www.jonat.org |>|_______________________________________________ |>| |> |>_______________________________________________ |>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |>www.jonat.org |>_______________________________________________ |> |> |> |> | | | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 19:47:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Fri May 9 18:47:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Arizona In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c3168d$54375ca0$6400a8c0@jot> Bob, Dennis did it all. ;-) No actually, Dennis was the prime mover. He's the one who came up with the grand scheme and we all sort of filled in the details. Here was the framework: 1. Sketch out the events -- a wish list, if you will. 2. Prioritize the list 3. Raise all the money you can from contributors 4. Offset some of the cost for the participants 5. Add to the events based on the miney available 6. Change things as change becomes necessary (doesn't sound big, but it is -- we did a lot of this even up to the last week.) Now that doesn't directly translate into what we're doing, because JCNA is an ongoing entity with a bunch of cash to begin with and a lot of other things to spend it on besides the CC. In our case, we don't have any money and the only thing we have to spend it on is this trip, so that simplifies some things and complicates others a little. Keep in mind that for the CC had over $75,000 in contributions from vendors to work with. We took a large part of that money and subsidized the cost of the CC to the tune of about $150/person. For $169, a person could attend all the events for the five days. (See the JCNA website to see what that included -- you'll be amazed, especially at the fact that more people didn't show up.) To compete in any or all of the events, it was $90/car. >From a legal standpoint, we didn't call them sponsors. They contributed and were contributors. I'm not sure why, and everything I wrote, I had to do a find and replace to make sure I didn't call them sponsors because it was too much of a temptation. Anyway, as I see it, we need to determine a few things, like: 1. How much money do we need to pull this thing off? 2. What expenses do we anticipate for necessities? (Sag wagon, route books, etc.) 3. What optional expenses would we have if we decide to do extra things? (Commemorative items, etc) 4. Do we want participants to pay anything? At that point we can start discussing things like sector hosts. These would be vendors who would sponsor each sector or sectors. We could have an event host, too, for bigger bucks, if we wanted. Anyway, how many sectors do we have? And If costs are kept to a minimum and we have 20 sectors and need only $10K to cover expenses like the sag wagon, route books, we could have people sponsor a leg or more of the route for $500 per leg. We could have someone sponsor the sag wagon. You'd have the AZ sector, presented by British Sportscar Service (a local shop) for example. You could have the Las Vegas and California sectors presented by XKs Unlimited. You could have the sag wagon sponsored by SNG Barrett. The key is that you need to give them lots of publicity in return. So every route book would have the contributors mentioned. Check out the CC program. The contributors received full or half-page ads depending on the contribution. Their logos were listed in color, in the front and back of the cover. They figured prominently on the web site. Magnetic signs on the chase vehicle would indicate the sponsor of the vehicle and the sponsor of the sector. Because we are on public roads, I don't think we should charge anything for people to participate. They will already have the expense of food and lodging. That is, if we can generate enough contributions to cover the costs. I think we should start simple and stay as simple as possible -- route books on the Internet available for download, etc. and advance to things like printed books, if we want. We'll need goodie bags for the contributors and will have to carry them with us along the route. No sense going into too much detail. That's a start, for now. I'll be able to advise on things, but don't count on me for much beyond planning the AZ sector. I have a lot of stuff on my plate right now between the local club and home (with a big garage) hunting. One thing I think we should start to do is coordinate with the Jaguar clubs in our areas. We are already coordinating JONAT around some big local events, what we need to do is try to get some of the smaller local events to coincide with our passing through. We may have to adjust some times, but if we could meet with local clubs for concours, slaloms, or rallies as we travel around, that would be excellent. Imagine if clubs worked with us to organize rallies as a part of the route. Unfortunately, the Arizona sector will be over two hours from the bulk of our membership, so that probably won't work here. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:54 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Arizona I'm not sure if you guys have been following the complements the fellows down Phoenix way have received on the PUB list from people attending the JCNA event down that way. I know Mark was involved in organizing the event. Congratulations Mark! Obviously a well organized affair. I hope you'll choose to pass on some of your secrets to us! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 20:07:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Robert MacLeay) Date: Fri May 9 19:07:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: <03a101c31444$7b5e11c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3135351647_624078 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 5/6/03 8:58 PM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wrote: > I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal = and > ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning an= d a > main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed = to by > the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. > Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested st= ops > of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main w= eb > page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/= where > from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with t= he > original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical serv= ices > and parts, all these can feed from that web page. >=20 Let us add car washes to that list! On the subject of stopping points, while I agree on refraining from over-regimentation, every sector, if only for planning purposes, should hav= e a master plan with all lodging, driving, sightseeing, and feeding laid out in excruciating detail. This will keep us planners honest, and help promot= e domestic tranquility by allowing for =B3real life=B2 touring. Also, on the subject of optional lodging points, consider that many people will be faced with the chore of making reservations for a lot of nights. Le= t us make planning as easy as possible for them. Additionally, we have been hoping to negotiate special group rates, which will help keep people=B9s expenses down an/or allow them to spend more days on the road. So... How many weeks are we going to add to the tour? ;0 --=20 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org P.S.: Will we host an official =B36,000 mile oil change=B2 event at the half wa= y mark? This would be a great sponsorship opportunity for some oil company= ! --B_3135351647_624078 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES on 5/6/03 8:58 PM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wr= ote:

I am now thinking that= setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  If w= e have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping p= oint or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the followin= g Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.  Along th= e way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested sto= ps of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on the m= ain web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing= how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "= ;divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eate= ries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from tha= t web page.

Let us add car washes to that list= !

On the subject of stopping points, while I agree on refraining from over-re= gimentation, every sector, if only for planning purposes, should have a mast= er plan with all lodging, driving, sightseeing, and feeding laid out in excr= uciating detail.  This will keep us planners honest, and help promote d= omestic tranquility by allowing for “real life” touring.

Also, on the subject of optional lodging points, consider that many people = will be faced with the chore of making reservations for a lot of nights. Let= us make planning as easy as possible for them.  Additionally, we have = been hoping to negotiate special group rates, which will help keep people= 217;s expenses down an/or allow them to spend more days on the road.

So... How many weeks are we going to add to the tour?  ;0

--

Robert MacLeay  -  Denver, CO
1990 VDP Majestic
Colorado Sector Coordinator
Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004  -  http://jonat.org

P.S.: Will we host an official “6,000 mile oil change” event at= the half way mark?
         This would be a great= sponsorship opportunity for some oil company!
 --B_3135351647_624078-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 9 21:43:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Fri May 9 20:43:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c3169d$8310aad0$6400a8c0@jot> I agree with Robert. I think most people will prefer the safety and ready aid of joining a number of other Jaguar owners on the route. After all, the idea of the drive is that it's a group thing. If everyone goes their separate direction at the handoff point and recongregates at the next handoff point, what's the point? Any of us could look at a map, find some interesting places to visit and drive there. If we aren't going to be able to share our discoveries with like-minded folks why join an organized tour that is only going to have the bare minimum of organization. I think the main route should be laid out with starting points, ending points, and lunch stops included in the itinerary. We aren't requiring anyone to take that route, but that is the route the majority and the chase vehicle (if we have one) will be taking. If you decide to take a side trip, great, but you are on your own. That's the way I'd set it up. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacLeay Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:01 PM To: JONAT list Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES on 5/6/03 8:58 PM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wrote: I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Let us add car washes to that list! On the subject of stopping points, while I agree on refraining from over-regimentation, every sector, if only for planning purposes, should have a master plan with all lodging, driving, sightseeing, and feeding laid out in excruciating detail. This will keep us planners honest, and help promote domestic tranquility by allowing for “real life” touring. Also, on the subject of optional lodging points, consider that many people will be faced with the chore of making reservations for a lot of nights. Let us make planning as easy as possible for them. Additionally, we have been hoping to negotiate special group rates, which will help keep people’s expenses down an/or allow them to spend more days on the road. So... How many weeks are we going to add to the tour? ;0 -- Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org P.S.: Will we host an official “6,000 mile oil change” event at the half way mark? This would be a great sponsorship opportunity for some oil company! From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 09:57:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat May 10 08:57:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Oil Change; was - (is) Excellent Idea!! References: <016501c316c8$c2dd0200$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <00d201c31703$fe391380$6501a8c0@attbi.com> As we do not know the number of cars touring at any given point, where would a good site be exactly? Maybe one or 'some' of these quick change places like Minute Lube or Quaker State would like to get on board with this? Perhaps every three or four Sectors we could get a discounted change? Fried? Would you like to check into their corporate willingness to join in? Perhaps we need a poll to identify other companies with this type of service along the route? If it's okay with Fazal, please forward the name of a couple of these places in each of your Sectors. He can collate the information and forward the main players to Fried for exploration into their willingness to help Sponsor the Tour. Sound okay guys? On a side note: I know there are some of you who will not wish to have "one of those type places touch your car". And that's okay too. But for those others that would be interested, I feel we should check out this option. Then it's up to a particular owner as to whether they wish to partake. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: "Jamie - JONAT" ; "Bob England - JONAT" ; "Fried-JONAT" Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: Excellent Idea!! > Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO > 1990 VDP Majestic > Colorado Sector Coordinator > Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org > > P.S.: Will we host an official "6,000 mile oil change" event at the half way > mark? > This would be a great sponsorship opportunity for some oil company! > > Jamie, can we put this into our file for action? > > Fazal > > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 16:27:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Sat May 10 15:27:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Message-ID: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> --part1_167.1fffa88e.2beda88b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en on 5/6/03 8:58 PM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wrote: I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and= =20 ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the beginning and=20= a=20 main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to=20 by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.= =20 Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stop= s=20 of interest listed. These stops could be a regular listing on the main web= =20 page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing=20 how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Alon= g=20 with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanica= l=20 services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Let us add car washes to that list! On the subject of stopping points, while I agree on refraining from=20 over-regimentation, every sector, if only for planning purposes, should have= =20 a master plan with all lodging, driving, sightseeing, and feeding laid out i= n=20 excruciating detail. This will keep us planners honest, and help promote=20 domestic tranquility by allowing for =E2=80=9Creal life=E2=80=9D touring.=20 Also, on the subject of optional lodging points, consider that many people=20 will be faced with the chore of making reservations for a lot of nights. Let= =20 us make planning as easy as possible for them. Additionally, we have been=20 hoping to negotiate special group rates, which will help keep people=E2=80= =99s=20 expenses down an/or allow them to spend more days on the road. So... How many weeks are we going to add to the tour? ;0 --=20 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org P.S.: Will we host an official =E2=80=9C6,000 mile oil change=E2=80=9D event= at the half way=20 mark? This would be a great sponsorship opportunity for some oil company= ! --part1_167.1fffa88e.2beda88b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en on 5/6/03 8:58 PM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wr= ote:

I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal a= nd ludicrous.  If we have a main starting point and time at the beginn= ing and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of a Sector (= agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), this should do=20= the trick.  Along the way we can of course have a "suggested route" wi= th suggested stops of interest listed.  These stops could be a regular= listing on the main web page for that particular Sector (perhaps with their= own maps showing how/where from the "suggested routing" and at what point t= o "divert".  Along with the original idea of suggested lodging, eateri= es, fuel stops, mechanical services and parts, all these can feed from that=20= web page.

Let us add car washes to that list!

On the subject of stopping points, while I agree on refraining from over-reg= imentation, every sector, if only for planning purposes, should have a maste= r plan with all lodging, driving, sightseeing, and feeding laid out in excru= ciating detail.  This will keep us planners honest, and help promote d= omestic tranquility by allowing for =E2=80=9Creal life=E2=80=9D touring.
Also, on the subject of optional lodging points, consider that many people w= ill be faced with the chore of making reservations for a lot of nights. Let=20= us make planning as easy as possible for them.  Additionally, we have=20= been hoping to negotiate special group rates, which will help keep people= =E2=80=99s expenses down an/or allow them to spend more days on the road.
So... How many weeks are we going to add to the tour?  ;0

--

Robert MacLeay  -  Denver, CO
1990 VDP Majestic
Colorado Sector Coordinator
Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004  -  http://jonat.org

P.S.: Will we host an official =E2=80=9C6,000 mile oil change=E2=80=9D event= at the half way mark?
         This would be a great spon= sorship opportunity for some oil company!
 --part1_167.1fffa88e.2beda88b_boundary-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 16:39:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat May 10 15:39:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Arizona In-Reply-To: <001b01c3168d$54375ca0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: Mark Some great thoughts and observations. I hope everyone took the time to read over your note as it has some great insights. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson |Sent: May 9, 2003 6:45 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Arizona | | |Bob, | |Dennis did it all. ;-) No actually, Dennis was the prime mover. |He's the one who came up with the grand scheme and we all sort of |filled in the details. | |Here was the framework: | |1. Sketch out the events -- a wish list, if you will. |2. Prioritize the list |3. Raise all the money you can from contributors |4. Offset some of the cost for the participants |5. Add to the events based on the miney available |6. Change things as change becomes necessary (doesn't sound big, |but it is -- we did a lot of this even up to the last week.) | |Now that doesn't directly translate into what we're doing, because |JCNA is an ongoing entity with a bunch of cash to begin with and a |lot of other things to spend it on besides the CC. In our case, we |don't have any money and the only thing we have to spend it on is |this trip, so that simplifies some things and complicates others a little. | |Keep in mind that for the CC had over $75,000 in contributions |from vendors to work with. We took a large part of that money and |subsidized the cost of the CC to the tune of about $150/person. |For $169, a person could attend all the events for the five days. |(See the JCNA website to see what that included -- you'll be |amazed, especially at the fact that more people didn't show up.) |To compete in any or all of the events, it was $90/car. | |>From a legal standpoint, we didn't call them sponsors. They |contributed and were contributors. I'm not sure why, and |everything I wrote, I had to do a find and replace to make sure I |didn't call them sponsors because it was too much of a temptation. | |Anyway, as I see it, we need to determine a few things, like: | |1. How much money do we need to pull this thing off? |2. What expenses do we anticipate for necessities? (Sag wagon, |route books, etc.) |3. What optional expenses would we have if we decide to do extra |things? (Commemorative items, etc) |4. Do we want participants to pay anything? | |At that point we can start discussing things like sector hosts. |These would be vendors who would sponsor each sector or sectors. |We could have an event host, too, for bigger bucks, if we wanted. | |Anyway, how many sectors do we have? And If costs are kept to a |minimum and we have 20 sectors and need only $10K to cover |expenses like the sag wagon, route books, we could have people |sponsor a leg or more of the route for $500 per leg. We could have |someone sponsor the sag wagon. | |You'd have the AZ sector, presented by British Sportscar Service |(a local shop) for example. You could have the Las Vegas and |California sectors presented by XKs Unlimited. You could have the |sag wagon sponsored by SNG Barrett. The key is that you need to |give them lots of publicity in return. So every route book would |have the contributors mentioned. Check out the CC program. The |contributors received full or half-page ads depending on the |contribution. Their logos were listed in color, in the front and |back of the cover. They figured prominently on the web site. |Magnetic signs on the chase vehicle would indicate the sponsor of |the vehicle and the sponsor of the sector. | |Because we are on public roads, I don't think we should charge |anything for people to participate. They will already have the |expense of food and lodging. That is, if we can generate enough |contributions to cover the costs. | |I think we should start simple and stay as simple as possible -- |route books on the Internet available for download, etc. and |advance to things like printed books, if we want. We'll need |goodie bags for the contributors and will have to carry them with |us along the route. | |No sense going into too much detail. That's a start, for now. | |I'll be able to advise on things, but don't count on me for much |beyond planning the AZ sector. I have a lot of stuff on my plate |right now between the local club and home (with a big garage) hunting. | |One thing I think we should start to do is coordinate with the |Jaguar clubs in our areas. We are already coordinating JONAT |around some big local events, what we need to do is try to get |some of the smaller local events to coincide with our passing |through. We may have to adjust some times, but if we could meet |with local clubs for concours, slaloms, or rallies as we travel |around, that would be excellent. Imagine if clubs worked with us |to organize rallies as a part of the route. Unfortunately, the |Arizona sector will be over two hours from the bulk of our |membership, so that probably won't work here. | |Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona |Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) |April 15 - July 4, 2004 | | |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:54 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Arizona I'm not sure if you guys have been following the complements the fellows down Phoenix way have received on the PUB list from people attending the JCNA event down that way. I know Mark was involved in organizing the event. Congratulations Mark! Obviously a well organized affair. I hope you'll choose to pass on some of your secrets to us! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 17:09:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat May 10 16:09:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Arizona References: Message-ID: <001501c31740$60d196c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Huh? What? Jamie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Arizona > Mark > > Some great thoughts and observations. I hope everyone took the time to read over your note as it has some great insights. > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson > |Sent: May 9, 2003 6:45 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Arizona > | > | > |Bob, > | > |Dennis did it all. ;-) No actually, Dennis was the prime mover. > |He's the one who came up with the grand scheme and we all sort of > |filled in the details. > | > |Here was the framework: > | > |1. Sketch out the events -- a wish list, if you will. > |2. Prioritize the list > |3. Raise all the money you can from contributors > |4. Offset some of the cost for the participants > |5. Add to the events based on the miney available > |6. Change things as change becomes necessary (doesn't sound big, > |but it is -- we did a lot of this even up to the last week.) > | > |Now that doesn't directly translate into what we're doing, because > |JCNA is an ongoing entity with a bunch of cash to begin with and a > |lot of other things to spend it on besides the CC. In our case, we > |don't have any money and the only thing we have to spend it on is > |this trip, so that simplifies some things and complicates others a little. > | > |Keep in mind that for the CC had over $75,000 in contributions > |from vendors to work with. We took a large part of that money and > |subsidized the cost of the CC to the tune of about $150/person. > |For $169, a person could attend all the events for the five days. > |(See the JCNA website to see what that included -- you'll be > |amazed, especially at the fact that more people didn't show up.) > |To compete in any or all of the events, it was $90/car. > | > |>From a legal standpoint, we didn't call them sponsors. They > |contributed and were contributors. I'm not sure why, and > |everything I wrote, I had to do a find and replace to make sure I > |didn't call them sponsors because it was too much of a temptation. > | > |Anyway, as I see it, we need to determine a few things, like: > | > |1. How much money do we need to pull this thing off? > |2. What expenses do we anticipate for necessities? (Sag wagon, > |route books, etc.) > |3. What optional expenses would we have if we decide to do extra > |things? (Commemorative items, etc) > |4. Do we want participants to pay anything? > | > |At that point we can start discussing things like sector hosts. > |These would be vendors who would sponsor each sector or sectors. > |We could have an event host, too, for bigger bucks, if we wanted. > | > |Anyway, how many sectors do we have? And If costs are kept to a > |minimum and we have 20 sectors and need only $10K to cover > |expenses like the sag wagon, route books, we could have people > |sponsor a leg or more of the route for $500 per leg. We could have > |someone sponsor the sag wagon. > | > |You'd have the AZ sector, presented by British Sportscar Service > |(a local shop) for example. You could have the Las Vegas and > |California sectors presented by XKs Unlimited. You could have the > |sag wagon sponsored by SNG Barrett. The key is that you need to > |give them lots of publicity in return. So every route book would > |have the contributors mentioned. Check out the CC program. The > |contributors received full or half-page ads depending on the > |contribution. Their logos were listed in color, in the front and > |back of the cover. They figured prominently on the web site. > |Magnetic signs on the chase vehicle would indicate the sponsor of > |the vehicle and the sponsor of the sector. > | > |Because we are on public roads, I don't think we should charge > |anything for people to participate. They will already have the > |expense of food and lodging. That is, if we can generate enough > |contributions to cover the costs. > | > |I think we should start simple and stay as simple as possible -- > |route books on the Internet available for download, etc. and > |advance to things like printed books, if we want. We'll need > |goodie bags for the contributors and will have to carry them with > |us along the route. > | > |No sense going into too much detail. That's a start, for now. > | > |I'll be able to advise on things, but don't count on me for much > |beyond planning the AZ sector. I have a lot of stuff on my plate > |right now between the local club and home (with a big garage) hunting. > | > |One thing I think we should start to do is coordinate with the > |Jaguar clubs in our areas. We are already coordinating JONAT > |around some big local events, what we need to do is try to get > |some of the smaller local events to coincide with our passing > |through. We may have to adjust some times, but if we could meet > |with local clubs for concours, slaloms, or rallies as we travel > |around, that would be excellent. Imagine if clubs worked with us > |to organize rallies as a part of the route. Unfortunately, the > |Arizona sector will be over two hours from the bulk of our > |membership, so that probably won't work here. > | > |Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > |Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > |April 15 - July 4, 2004 > | > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:54 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: [JONAT] Arizona > > > I'm not sure if you guys have been following the complements the fellows down Phoenix way have received on the PUB list from people attending the JCNA event down that way. I know Mark was involved in organizing the event. Congratulations Mark! Obviously a well organized affair. I hope you'll choose to pass on some of your secrets to us! > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 17:14:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sat May 10 16:14:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> Message-ID: <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C31706.6500CDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, car washes. But I think those "brushless ones" may be far and few = between. Maybe not though as that's all I've seen lately around here. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RMac@aol.com=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES on 5/6/03 8:58 PM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org wrote: I am now thinking that setting a stopping point each night is a bit = anal and ludicrous. If we have a main starting point and time at the = beginning and a main stopping point or gathering location at the end of = a Sector (agreed to by the following Sector for their starting point), = this should do the trick. Along the way we can of course have a = "suggested route" with suggested stops of interest listed. These stops = could be a regular listing on the main web page for that particular = Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where from the = "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert". Along with the = original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical = services and parts, all these can feed from that web page. Let us add car washes to that list! On the subject of stopping points, while I agree on refraining from = over-regimentation, every sector, if only for planning purposes, should = have a master plan with all lodging, driving, sightseeing, and feeding = laid out in excruciating detail. This will keep us planners honest, and = help promote domestic tranquility by allowing for =E2=80=9Creal = life=E2=80=9D touring.=20 Also, on the subject of optional lodging points, consider that many = people will be faced with the chore of making reservations for a lot of = nights. Let us make planning as easy as possible for them. = Additionally, we have been hoping to negotiate special group rates, = which will help keep people=E2=80=99s expenses down an/or allow them to = spend more days on the road. So... How many weeks are we going to add to the tour? ;0 --=20 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org P.S.: Will we host an official =E2=80=9C6,000 mile oil change=E2=80=9D = event at the half way mark? This would be a great sponsorship opportunity for some oil = company! ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C31706.6500CDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Yes, car washes.  But I think = those "brushless=20 ones" may be far and few between.  Maybe not though as that's all = I've seen=20 lately around here.
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RMac@aol.com =
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:57 = PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR = ROUTES

on 5/6/03 8:58 PM, Jamie - JONAT at jamie@jonat.org = wrote:

I am now = thinking that=20 setting a stopping point each night is a bit anal and ludicrous.  = If we=20 have a main starting point and time at the beginning and a main = stopping point=20 or gathering location at the end of a Sector (agreed to by the = following=20 Sector for their starting point), this should do the trick.  = Along the=20 way we can of course have a "suggested route" with suggested stops of = interest=20 listed.  These stops could be a regular listing on the main web = page for=20 that particular Sector (perhaps with their own maps showing how/where = from the=20 "suggested routing" and at what point to "divert".  Along with = the=20 original idea of suggested lodging, eateries, fuel stops, mechanical = services=20 and parts, all these can feed from that web page.

Let us add car washes to = that=20 list!

On the subject of stopping points, while I agree on = refraining=20 from over-regimentation, every sector, if only for planning purposes, = should=20 have a master plan with all lodging, driving, sightseeing, and feeding = laid=20 out in excruciating detail.  This will keep us planners honest, = and help=20 promote domestic tranquility by allowing for =E2=80=9Creal = life=E2=80=9D touring.=20

Also, on the subject of optional lodging points, consider that = many=20 people will be faced with the chore of making reservations for a lot = of=20 nights. Let us make planning as easy as possible for them.  = Additionally,=20 we have been hoping to negotiate special group rates, which will help = keep=20 people=E2=80=99s expenses down an/or allow them to spend more days on = the=20 road.

So... How many weeks are we going to add to the = tour? =20 ;0

--

Robert MacLeay  -  Denver, CO
1990 = VDP=20 Majestic
Colorado Sector Coordinator
Jaguar Owners North = American Tour=20 2004  -  http://jonat.org

P.S.: Will we host an = official=20 =E2=80=9C6,000 mile oil change=E2=80=9D event at the half way=20 mark?
         This would = be a=20 great sponsorship opportunity for some oil = company!
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C31706.6500CDE0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 22:18:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sat May 10 21:18:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Oil Change; was - (is) Excellent Idea!! References: <016501c316c8$c2dd0200$bb148890@FAZAL> <00d201c31703$fe391380$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <010c01c3176b$84f05bb0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> That's fine with me. Also, this may tie in well with the idea of a Tour Support Vehicle (TSV) that we are currently exploring. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: [JONAT] Oil Change; was - (is) Excellent Idea!! > As we do not know the number of cars touring at any given point, where would > a good site be exactly? Maybe one or 'some' of these quick change places > like Minute Lube or Quaker State would like to get on board with this? > Perhaps every three or four Sectors we could get a discounted change? > > Fried? Would you like to check into their corporate willingness to join in? > > Perhaps we need a poll to identify other companies with this type of service > along the route? If it's okay with Fazal, please forward the name of a > couple of these places in each of your Sectors. He can collate the > information and forward the main players to Fried for exploration into their > willingness to help Sponsor the Tour. > > Sound okay guys? > > On a side note: I know there are some of you who will not wish to have "one > of those type places touch your car". And that's okay too. But for those > others that would be interested, I feel we should check out this option. > Then it's up to a particular owner as to whether they wish to partake. > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fazal Cader" > To: "Jamie - JONAT" ; "Bob England - JONAT" > ; "Fried-JONAT" > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:50 AM > Subject: Excellent Idea!! > > > > Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO > > 1990 VDP Majestic > > Colorado Sector Coordinator > > Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org > > > > P.S.: Will we host an official "6,000 mile oil change" event at the half > way > > mark? > > This would be a great sponsorship opportunity for some oil > company! > > > > Jamie, can we put this into our file for action? > > > > Fazal > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 22:21:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat May 10 21:21:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C31739.BB4CE7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a thought, perhaps you could tee up with a local youth group or high = school to do a hand car wash. Raise some cash for the group, and clean = the cars at the same time. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT Sent: May 10, 2003 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES Yes, car washes. But I think those "brushless ones" may be far and = few between. Maybe not though as that's all I've seen lately around = here. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C31739.BB4CE7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
As = a thought,=20 perhaps you could tee up with a local youth group or high school to do a = hand=20 car wash.  Raise some cash for the group, and clean the cars at the = same=20 time.
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jamie -=20 JONAT
Sent: May 10, 2003 4:11 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR=20 ROUTES

Yes, car washes.  But I think = those=20 "brushless ones" may be far and few between.  Maybe not though as = that's=20 all I've seen lately around here.
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series III V12 VdP - = Roxanne
Jaguar=20 Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C31739.BB4CE7A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat May 10 22:25:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat May 10 21:25:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] New Oregon Sector Coordinator In-Reply-To: <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3173A.2FD89150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kerry Williamson has just volunteered to be the Oregon Sector = Coordinator. Welcome Kerry! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3173A.2FD89150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Kerry Williamson=20 has just volunteered to be the Oregon Sector Coordinator.  Welcome=20 Kerry!
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3173A.2FD89150-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 11 02:29:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sun May 11 01:29:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] New Oregon Sector Coordinator References: Message-ID: <013801c3178e$9560a680$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C317E2.1FC8FFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, welcome indeed! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: [JONAT] New Oregon Sector Coordinator Kerry Williamson has just volunteered to be the Oregon Sector = Coordinator. Welcome Kerry! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C317E2.1FC8FFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Yes, welcome indeed!
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:21 = PM
Subject: [JONAT] New Oregon = Sector=20 Coordinator

Kerry=20 Williamson has just volunteered to be the Oregon Sector = Coordinator. =20 Welcome Kerry!
 
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C317E2.1FC8FFE0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 11 10:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sun May 11 09:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fazal's Birthday! References: <01d801c31647$71c179e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <014901c316c8$10ab5500$bb148890@FAZAL> I'm taking the 5th, on my age. Let's just say its the anniversary of my 21st! Thanks. The next one will be, DV, in the USA. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:24 AM Subject: [JONAT] Fazal's Birthday! > Hey everyone! I snagged this tidbit of info over on Jag-Lover's! > > Happy Birthday Fazal! How many is that now? 28 (again)? > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nwjag" > To: "Jamie-JONAT" > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:08 AM > Subject: Fw: [xj] Owners ages > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fazal Cader" > > To: "XJ Lovers" > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [xj] Owners ages > > > (referring to birtthdays) > > > Many Happy returns for yesterday. Mine was on the 6th. [can I change my > > star > > > sign from a bull to a Jaguar? Or may I/we should also buy a > Lamborghini?] > > > > > > Fazal > > > MEL/Oz > > > 82 XJ6 > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 11 10:59:35 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Sun May 11 09:59:35 2003 Subject: [JONAT] command versus control References: Message-ID: <3EBE7262.8020800@jonat.org> great! Phil please noite that we have been given a layover day in Ottawa Mike O'Brien Sector Coordinator -Ottawa Bob wrote: >Ottawa it is ! > >Bob England >'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >Route Coordinator >http://www.jonat.org > > > >|-----Original Message----- >|From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On >|Behalf Of Mike O'Brien >|Sent: May 9, 2003 5:02 PM >|To: jonat@autox.team.net >|Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control >| >| >|How about ottawa? >| >|Bob wrote: >| >|>I guess I'd better add a day off in there somewhere (Chicago to Boston). >|>The original thought was to have at least one day off a week. >|> >|>Bob England >|>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >|>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >|>Route Coordinator >|>http://www.jonat.org >|> >|> >|> >|>|-----Original Message----- >|>|From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On >|>|Behalf Of Mike O'Brien >|>|Sent: May 8, 2003 4:03 PM >|>|To: jonat@autox.team.net >|>|Subject: Re: [JONAT] command versus control >|>| >|>| >|>|Hi. i don't want to make this a race. i want to get out of TO and then >|>|take everyone along hwy 2 from Port Hope through quinte but with enough >|>|time to explore kingston. If we get North of the 401 we won't be able to >|>|do both. Also there are no days off from Chicago to Boston-I sense that >|>|the gang is going to be bushed if we ware not careful. Our next meeting >|>|is next Monday. I will say hello for you. >|>| >|>|Mike >|>| >|>|alan@heartfield.net wrote: >|>| >|>|>Mike, >|>|> >|>|>Why make Day 1 boring? I hope you are not planning on >|following the aptly >|>|>named 4-nothing-1? Why not head up past Mosport, and the area around >|>|>Tweed and Campellford is really beautiful touring country. >|Quinte also is >|>|>very attractive. There is plenty of time. I wish I had three >|days in my >|>|>sector, although there is only one road to follow for the >|Ontario part of >|>|>it. Say hello to Frank and the guys in the OJC when you see them, and >|>|>with luck I'll see them myself next summer. >|>|> >|>|>Alan Heartfield >|>|>Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator >|>|>Jaguar Owners North American Tour >|>|>www.jonat.org >|>|> >|>|> >|>|> >|>|> >|>|> >|>|>>Hi folks. I have just opened up 24 e-mails on controlling this beast >|>|>>that we are building. It is begining to be overwhelming. My sector >|>|>>begins in Toronto and ends in Montreal, via Kingston and >|Ottawa. That is >|>|>> a 3 day schedule. The first day is ultra boring as we leave Toronto. >|>|>>The second day is interesting and scenic as is the third Ottawa to >|>|>>Montreal. So freedom versus control: straight drive to Kingston with >|>|>>lots of time to sight-see and a single recommended hotel with a sector >|>|>>info desk. Nothing organized. ....clip.... >|>|>> >|>|>>Mike O'Brien >|>|>>Sector Coordinator >|>|>>Ottawa Sector >|>|>>www.jonat.org >|>|>> >|>|>> >|>|>>_______________________________________________ >|>|>>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|>|>>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|>|>>www.jonat.org >|>|>>_______________________________________________ >|>|>> >|>|>> >|>|> >|>|> >|>|> >|>|>_______________________________________________ >|>|>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|>|>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|>|>www.jonat.org >|>|>_______________________________________________ >|>|> >|>|> >|>|> >|>|> >|>| >|>| >|>| >|>|_______________________________________________ >|>|JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|>|REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|>|www.jonat.org >|>|_______________________________________________ >|>| >|> >|>_______________________________________________ >|>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|>www.jonat.org >|>_______________________________________________ >|> >|> >|> >|> >| >| >| >|_______________________________________________ >|JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >|REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >|www.jonat.org >|_______________________________________________ >| > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 11 23:42:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Sun May 11 22:42:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <004001c314b5$0ded7dd0$77214518@LaptopG> <3EBB4006.4D69EE17@interworld.net> <004501c3164c$c0e3b560$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <3EBF26EE.8936234A@interworld.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------673875FE8E43B7E6CF056773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit several have asked for this form. see attached. feel free to modify it as appropriate. 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Message-ID: <000901c31842$3cafacc0$6400a8c0@jot> Ron, It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH clubs, and will have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and Canada and the states and provinces contained therein. The JCNA one is even simpler: RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above described car(s) in the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in other planned activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of the right and privilege to enter and participate in these events and other valuable considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree to release the Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge Championship committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, or losses arising from my entry and attendance in this event. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > several have asked for this form. > see attached. > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > Ron R > > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > > > What does this form say? > > Gregory > > -- > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen > Automotive museum > > : rallies. > > : ron > > : > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 00:04:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun May 11 23:04:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet In-Reply-To: <3EBF26EE.8936234A@interworld.net> Message-ID: Seems to me a while back we had arranged to get together at the Vandusen All British Field Meet for those of us going. Do I remember correctly that we were going to gather at the XJ display at 4:00 (that's next Saturday). [I seem to have not saved that particular e-mail.] Who all is going besides Jamie, Gregory, and myself? I suspect some of Gregory's committee will be there as well (?) Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 00:33:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Sun May 11 23:33:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <000901c31842$3cafacc0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <3EBF32C3.EDA30630@interworld.net> all of the sponsors / contributors should probably be named, too. Ron Mark Stephenson wrote: > Ron, > > It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH clubs, and will > have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and Canada > and the states and provinces contained therein. > > The JCNA one is even simpler: > RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above described car(s) in > the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in other planned > activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of the right and > privilege to enter and participate in these events and other valuable > considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree to release the > Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge Championship > committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, or losses > arising from my entry and attendance in this event. > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > > > > several have asked for this form. > > see attached. > > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > > Ron R > > > > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > > > > > What does this form say? > > > Gregory > > > -- > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > > > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen > > Automotive museum > > > : rallies. > > > : ron > > > : > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon May 12 00:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EBF390F.142C1A6B@interworld.net> JONAT: I am about a week behind with my comments. I think it is important to have a beginning and an end each day. After all that to me is the purpose of the tour. We all start from one place and we give out a route and a map for that section. We say here is a nice place for lunch if you want to stop here or here are several places for lunch. Here is where we are meeting at the end of the day. Here is a budget hotel and here is a nicer Hotel. Here are three places where you can have dinner. To my wife and I the fun part of long distance rallies or drives is dining with the other participants. We are in the car by ourselves all day long. Rallies like the Copperstate have about 50 cars. You have breakfast lunch and dinner at each stop within a given time frame and you eat with someone different a each meal (or not). On my sector we will arrive from Las Vegas on Tuesday night. I will have something to do on Wednesday, (optional) and a Mexican dinner at the Petersen automotive museum on Wednesday night, Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. I will have to have a head count for these events. And yes there will be a charge. I am planning to get the local Jaguar clubs to meet us at the museum that night. On Thursday morning I have planned a question and answer fun rally / drive through some areas that even locals seldom get to see. You can meet us at he start or not. I have a drive through the Santa Monica Mountains the fields of Oxnard, a break at a stage coach stop and lunch and tour at the Fess Parker winery in Los Olivos. I think these are roads that everyone will love. There will also be a route from west LA to SLO on the freeway direct for those who don't want the scenic tour. I am looking forward to Jerry's drive to a rural mission. I am looking forward to driving on great roads that I would not take if I pulled out a map and went on my own. Believe me the roads that I will take you on do not show up on most maps, but all are paved and safe. I have run rallies and drives on all of these. IMO we are looking to each sector co coordinator to show off the best roads for Jaguars in each area. With fun places to stop, and sights to see. Ron Rader 1967 E FHC Los Angeles From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:06:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon May 12 00:06:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EBF3A7F.ABA3E6B5@interworld.net> JONAT: I would like to see national sponsorship by Jaguar North America and AAA. I would like to see an AAA flat bed that sweeps the route as we go and travels with a new Jag on the flat bed. If a roadside problem occurs that can't be fixed then he gives you the new Jag and flat beds your Jag to the nearest repair place (on the list that the sector coordinators provided. Ron Rader 1967 E FHC Los Angeles From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:09:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon May 12 00:09:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility In-Reply-To: <3EBF32C3.EDA30630@interworld.net> Message-ID: <000501c3184c$a1ab8720$6400a8c0@jot> I don't think you'd have to list them -- just mention "its sponsors" or "contributors." Likewise with the organizers. I don't think we have to track and list them all like they did for the AH thing. I think we can just cover them with a blanket "JONAT, its officers, staff, and volunteers." Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:36 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > all of the sponsors / contributors should probably be named, too. > Ron > > Mark Stephenson wrote: > > > Ron, > > > > It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH > clubs, and will > > have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the > U.S. and Canada > > and the states and provinces contained therein. > > > > The JCNA one is even simpler: > > RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above > described car(s) in > > the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in > other planned > > activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of > the right and > > privilege to enter and participate in these events and > other valuable > > considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree > to release the > > Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge > Championship > > committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, > or losses > > arising from my entry and attendance in this event. > > > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM > > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > > > > > > > several have asked for this form. > > > see attached. > > > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > > > Ron R > > > > > > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > > > > > > > What does this form say? > > > > Gregory > > > > -- > > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > > > > > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen > > > Automotive museum > > > > : rallies. > > > > : ron > > > > : > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:20:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon May 12 00:20:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES In-Reply-To: <3EBF390F.142C1A6B@interworld.net> Message-ID: <000601c3184e$2fbc6f60$6400a8c0@jot> I wouldn't want to have to scope out three spots for dinner and two spots to stay. I'm going to keep it simple on my sector. I'll have recommended stops for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and recommended lodging for the night. If people want to find nicer or less expensive lodging or food stops, I think it should be up to them. Of course nothing is stopping anyone from doing more on their sector. I may refer people to the website of a locale (most have them now) for additional food and lodging options. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:03 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES > > > JONAT: > I am about a week behind with my comments. > > I think it is important to have a beginning and an end each > day. After all that > to me is the purpose of the tour. We all start from one > place and we give out a > route and a map for that section. We say here is a nice place > for lunch if you > want to stop here or here are several places for lunch. > > Here is where we are meeting at the end of the day. > Here is a budget hotel and here is a nicer Hotel. > Here are three places where you can have dinner. > > To my wife and I the fun part of long distance rallies or > drives is dining with > the other participants. We are in the car by ourselves all > day long. Rallies > like the Copperstate have about 50 cars. You have breakfast > lunch and dinner at > each stop within a given time frame and you eat with someone > different a each > meal (or not). > > On my sector we will arrive from Las Vegas on Tuesday night. > I will have > something to do on Wednesday, (optional) and a Mexican dinner > at the Petersen > automotive museum on Wednesday night, Cinco de Mayo, the 5th > of May. I will have > to have a head count for these events. And yes there will be a charge. > > I am planning to get the local Jaguar clubs to meet us at the > museum that night. > > On Thursday morning I have planned a question and answer fun > rally / drive > through some areas that even locals seldom get to see. You > can meet us at he > start or not. I have a drive through the Santa Monica > Mountains the fields of > Oxnard, a break at a stage coach stop and lunch and tour at > the Fess Parker > winery in Los Olivos. > > I think these are roads that everyone will love. There will > also be a route from > west LA to SLO on the freeway direct for those who don't want > the scenic tour. > > I am looking forward to Jerry's drive to a rural mission. I > am looking forward > to driving on great roads that I would not take if I pulled > out a map and went > on my own. > > Believe me the roads that I will take you on do not show up > on most maps, but > all are paved and safe. I have run rallies and drives on all > of these. IMO we > are looking to each sector co coordinator to show off the > best roads for Jaguars > in each area. With fun places to stop, and sights to see. > > Ron Rader > 1967 E FHC > Los Angeles > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:28:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon May 12 00:28:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Oil Change; was - (is) Excellent Idea!! References: <016501c316c8$c2dd0200$bb148890@FAZAL> <00d201c31703$fe391380$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EBF3FA4.8AF058D6@interworld.net> Am I missing something here? how about at the local jag dealer. I am sure you can most of the parts that you need. Ron Jamie - JONAT wrote: > As we do not know the number of cars touring at any given point, where would > a good site be exactly? Maybe one or 'some' of these quick change places > like Minute Lube or Quaker State would like to get on board with this? > Perhaps every three or four Sectors we could get a discounted change? > > Fried? Would you like to check into their corporate willingness to join in? > > Perhaps we need a poll to identify other companies with this type of service > along the route? If it's okay with Fazal, please forward the name of a > couple of these places in each of your Sectors. He can collate the > information and forward the main players to Fried for exploration into their > willingness to help Sponsor the Tour. > > Sound okay guys? > > On a side note: I know there are some of you who will not wish to have "one > of those type places touch your car". And that's okay too. But for those > others that would be interested, I feel we should check out this option. > Then it's up to a particular owner as to whether they wish to partake. > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fazal Cader" > To: "Jamie - JONAT" ; "Bob England - JONAT" > ; "Fried-JONAT" > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:50 AM > Subject: Excellent Idea!! > > > Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO > > 1990 VDP Majestic > > Colorado Sector Coordinator > > Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org > > > > P.S.: Will we host an official "6,000 mile oil change" event at the half > way > > mark? > > This would be a great sponsorship opportunity for some oil > company! > > > > Jamie, can we put this into our file for action? > > > > Fazal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:36:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon May 12 00:36:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <000901c31842$3cafacc0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <001d01c31850$4f37e7a0$77214518@LaptopG> Ron and Mark: I think the first (Rally) waiver would scare the daylights out of most people. I certainly don't intend to do anything dangerous. Do any of you? The JCNA waiver, or the ABFM waiver I sent a couple of days ago should be sufficient without terrorising the potential participants. Opinions? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:52 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : Ron, : : It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH clubs, and will : have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and Canada : and the states and provinces contained therein. : : The JCNA one is even simpler: : RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above described car(s) in : the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in other planned : activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of the right and : privilege to enter and participate in these events and other valuable : considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree to release the : Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge Championship : committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, or losses : arising from my entry and attendance in this event. : : Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona : Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) : April 15 - July 4, 2004 : : > -----Original Message----- : > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net : > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM : > To: jonat@autox.team.net : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : > : > : > several have asked for this form. : > see attached. : > feel free to modify it as appropriate. : > Ron R : > : > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : > : > > What does this form say? : > > Gregory : > > -- : > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : > > : > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen : > Automotive museum : > > : rallies. : > > : ron : > > : : > : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:40:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon May 12 00:40:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet References: Message-ID: <002601c31850$cb7cf440$77214518@LaptopG> Bob: yes, we said 4 PM, at the XJ display; and yes, my team of Dave Cooke and Doug Ingram and Roy Gill will be there. It shouldn't take too long to iron out a few things. Bob: do we have a poster to show at the Western Driver desk (they are the sponsors)? We should also put a notice up on the bulletin board. I won't be going over until Saturday morning so if you are at the 'Meet and Greet" on Friday night and run into Patrick Stewart, he is the fellow from Western Driver who encouraged us to do this. Make yourself known to him. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet : Seems to me a while back we had arranged to get together at the Vandusen All : British Field Meet for those of us going. Do I remember correctly that we : were going to gather at the XJ display at 4:00 (that's next Saturday). [I : seem to have not saved that particular e-mail.] : : Who all is going besides Jamie, Gregory, and myself? I suspect some of : Gregory's committee will be there as well (?) : : Bob England : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) : Route Coordinator : http://www.jonat.org : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:42:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon May 12 00:42:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <000901c31842$3cafacc0$6400a8c0@jot> <001d01c31850$4f37e7a0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <3EBF431F.8E3BE566@interworld.net> Gregory: this is a question best answered by legal experts. Ron Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > Ron and Mark: I think the first (Rally) waiver would scare the daylights > out of most people. I certainly don't intend to do anything dangerous. Do > any of you? > The JCNA waiver, or the ABFM waiver I sent a couple of days ago should > be sufficient without terrorising the potential participants. Opinions? > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:52 PM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > : Ron, > : > : It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH clubs, and will > : have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and > Canada > : and the states and provinces contained therein. > : > : The JCNA one is even simpler: > : RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above described car(s) > in > : the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in other planned > : activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of the right and > : privilege to enter and participate in these events and other valuable > : considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree to release the > : Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge Championship > : committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, or losses > : arising from my entry and attendance in this event. > : > : Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > : Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > : April 15 - July 4, 2004 > : > : > -----Original Message----- > : > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > : > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM > : > To: jonat@autox.team.net > : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > > : > > : > several have asked for this form. > : > see attached. > : > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > : > Ron R > : > > : > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > : > > : > > What does this form say? > : > > Gregory > : > > -- > : > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > > > : > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen > : > Automotive museum > : > > : rallies. > : > > : ron > : > > : > : > > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:44:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon May 12 00:44:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility In-Reply-To: <001d01c31850$4f37e7a0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <000701c31851$84499be0$6400a8c0@jot> I didn't see the ABFM one. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:33 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > Ron and Mark: I think the first (Rally) waiver would scare > the daylights > out of most people. I certainly don't intend to do anything > dangerous. Do > any of you? > The JCNA waiver, or the ABFM waiver I sent a couple of > days ago should > be sufficient without terrorising the potential participants. > Opinions? > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:52 PM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > : Ron, > : > : It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH > clubs, and will > : have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and > Canada > : and the states and provinces contained therein. > : > : The JCNA one is even simpler: > : RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above > described car(s) > in > : the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in > other planned > : activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of > the right and > : privilege to enter and participate in these events and > other valuable > : considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree > to release the > : Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge > Championship > : committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, > or losses > : arising from my entry and attendance in this event. > : > : Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > : Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > : April 15 - July 4, 2004 > : > : > -----Original Message----- > : > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > : > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM > : > To: jonat@autox.team.net > : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > > : > > : > several have asked for this form. > : > see attached. > : > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > : > Ron R > : > > : > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > : > > : > > What does this form say? > : > > Gregory > : > > -- > : > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > > > : > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen > : > Automotive museum > : > > : rallies. > : > > : ron > : > > : > : > > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:44:05 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon May 12 00:44:05 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support In-Reply-To: <3EBF3A7F.ABA3E6B5@interworld.net> Message-ID: <000801c31851$84a8f9f0$6400a8c0@jot> That would be excellent. We're just coming off huge support for the CC, so I don't think I'd hit them up right away. Besides, we should get our projected finances in order first, so we have an idea of what we should be asking for. Keep in mind that AAA doesn't own any tow trucks AFAIK. They just contract with local towing companies to aid stranded travelers. I don't think you'll get one of them to give up a truck for two months to circle the continent unless someone pays them big bucks. Perhaps one of the auto transport companies would be an option, especially if they could pick up and drop off paying customers' cars along the route. Otherwise, I think we'd be better off finding someone who owns a truck and trailer who has the time to take the trip. It would be cheaper for us to cover their expenses including food, lodging, and something reasonable per mile, like $.50 for truck and trailer. That could easily top $5000, so it's something we need to plan for and figure in to our contribution requests. In other words, we need to do what I suggested in my last e-mail: brainstorm ideas, prioritize them, obtain funding, then determine what we can do based on the contributions we'll have. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:09 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: [JONAT] Support > > > JONAT: > > I would like to see national sponsorship by Jaguar North > America and AAA. > I would like to see an AAA flat bed that sweeps the route as > we go and travels > with a new Jag on the flat bed. > > If a roadside problem occurs that can't be fixed then he > gives you the new Jag > and flat beds your Jag to the nearest repair place (on the > list that the sector > coordinators provided. > > Ron Rader > 1967 E FHC > Los Angeles > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:49:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon May 12 00:49:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <000901c31842$3cafacc0$6400a8c0@jot> <001d01c31850$4f37e7a0$77214518@LaptopG> <3EBF431F.8E3BE566@interworld.net> Message-ID: <004f01c31852$0fb26400$77214518@LaptopG> Agreed. But this is not a rally. This particular form does not seem suitable for a number of reasons. Mostly that it gives the impression that we are about to do something that will almost certainly injure us. Perhaps we can come up with something a little "gentler" which does not imply that litigation is a sure result of this tour. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : Gregory: : this is a question best answered by legal experts. : Ron : : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : : > Ron and Mark: I think the first (Rally) waiver would scare the daylights : > out of most people. I certainly don't intend to do anything dangerous. Do : > any of you? : > The JCNA waiver, or the ABFM waiver I sent a couple of days ago should : > be sufficient without terrorising the potential participants. Opinions? : > Gregory : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Mark Stephenson" : > To: : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:52 PM : > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : > : > : Ron, : > : : > : It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH clubs, and will : > : have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and : > Canada : > : and the states and provinces contained therein. : > : : > : The JCNA one is even simpler: : > : RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above described car(s) : > in : > : the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in other planned : > : activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of the right and : > : privilege to enter and participate in these events and other valuable : > : considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree to release the : > : Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge Championship : > : committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, or losses : > : arising from my entry and attendance in this event. : > : : > : Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona : > : Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) : > : April 15 - July 4, 2004 : > : : > : > -----Original Message----- : > : > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net : > : > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader : > : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM : > : > To: jonat@autox.team.net : > : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : > : > : > : > : > : > several have asked for this form. : > : > see attached. : > : > feel free to modify it as appropriate. : > : > Ron R : > : > : > : > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: : > : > : > : > > What does this form say? : > : > > Gregory : > : > > -- : > : > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility : > : > > : > : > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen : > : > Automotive museum : > : > > : rallies. : > : > > : ron : > : > > : : > : > : > : : > : _______________________________________________ : > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > : www.jonat.org : > : _______________________________________________ : > : > _______________________________________________ : > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : > www.jonat.org : > _______________________________________________ : : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 01:51:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon May 12 00:51:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: waivers and porno Message-ID: <008301c31852$5e3ce5a0$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_8yj5YlBsP1obUk4+BSSUEQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MessageHere is the ABFM waiver again. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:35 PM "I agree to insure my vehicle against loss, damage and liability. I agree to assume the risk of any damage or injury, and to indemnify and hold harmless (JONAT), its officers, and directors or agents against any acts of omission which may result in the theft, damage, or destruction of my property or injury to me or others occurring during or as a consequence of this (tour) including, but not limited to: overnight storage, and all places associated with this (tour)." We should have this or similar wording and every entrant should be required to sign this as part of the registration process; these forms should be kept by the JONAT administrators. --Boundary_(ID_8yj5YlBsP1obUk4+BSSUEQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Here is the ABFM waiver again.
                            Gregory
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:35 PM
 
    "I agree to insure my vehicle against loss, damage and liability. I agree to assume the risk of any damage or injury, and to indemnify and hold harmless (JONAT), its officers, and directors or agents against any acts of omission which may result in the theft, damage, or destruction of my property or injury to me or others occurring during or as a consequence of this (tour) including, but not limited to: overnight storage, and all places associated with this (tour)."
 
    We should have this or similar wording and every entrant should be required to sign this as part of the registration process; these forms should be kept by the JONAT administrators.
  
--Boundary_(ID_8yj5YlBsP1obUk4+BSSUEQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 02:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon May 12 01:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <000901c31842$3cafacc0$6400a8c0@jot> <001d01c31850$4f37e7a0$77214518@LaptopG> <3EBF431F.8E3BE566@interworld.net> <004f01c31852$0fb26400$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <3EBF4A07.F4A7CD9F@interworld.net> any time that you get into a car and drive you can get injured. You do not think it is a dangerous event, however when some one gets injured their atty. might think otherwise. ex; driving on CA highway one and some one runs off the road into a steep drop off. and his brother is an attorney. a litagator. Here they sue you because you had an event! Ron Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > Agreed. But this is not a rally. This particular form does not seem suitable > for a number of reasons. Mostly that it gives the impression that we are > about to do something that will almost certainly injure us. Perhaps we can > come up with something a little "gentler" which does not imply that > litigation is a sure result of this tour. > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rader" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > : Gregory: > : this is a question best answered by legal experts. > : Ron > : > : Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > : > : > Ron and Mark: I think the first (Rally) waiver would scare the > daylights > : > out of most people. I certainly don't intend to do anything dangerous. > Do > : > any of you? > : > The JCNA waiver, or the ABFM waiver I sent a couple of days ago > should > : > be sufficient without terrorising the potential participants. Opinions? > : > Gregory > : > ----- Original Message ----- > : > From: "Mark Stephenson" > : > To: > : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:52 PM > : > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > > : > : Ron, > : > : > : > : It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH clubs, and > will > : > : have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and > : > Canada > : > : and the states and provinces contained therein. > : > : > : > : The JCNA one is even simpler: > : > : RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above described > car(s) > : > in > : > : the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in other > planned > : > : activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of the right > and > : > : privilege to enter and participate in these events and other valuable > : > : considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree to release > the > : > : Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge > Championship > : > : committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, or losses > : > : arising from my entry and attendance in this event. > : > : > : > : Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > : > : Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > : > : April 15 - July 4, 2004 > : > : > : > : > -----Original Message----- > : > : > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > : > : > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > : > : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM > : > : > To: jonat@autox.team.net > : > : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > several have asked for this form. > : > : > see attached. > : > : > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > : > : > Ron R > : > : > > : > : > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > : > : > > : > : > > What does this form say? > : > : > > Gregory > : > : > > -- > : > : > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > : > > > : > : > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen > : > : > Automotive museum > : > : > > : rallies. > : > : > > : ron > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : > : www.jonat.org > : > : _______________________________________________ > : > > : > _______________________________________________ > : > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : > www.jonat.org > : > _______________________________________________ > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 06:02:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon May 12 05:02:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EBF3A7F.ABA3E6B5@interworld.net> Message-ID: <000501c31875$6fb810c0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Actually, this is not as crazy as it sounds. The marketing/advertising value of showing off a new XJ6 (or whichever model they choose) throughout the whole tour could be quite high AND the support value of being able to get to your destination would be most welcome. We'll need to do a lot of hard talking to get this, I feel. What do you guys think? Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > JONAT: > > I would like to see national sponsorship by Jaguar North America and AAA. > I would like to see an AAA flat bed that sweeps the route as we go and travels > with a new Jag on the flat bed. > > If a roadside problem occurs that can't be fixed then he gives you the new Jag > and flat beds your Jag to the nearest repair place (on the list that the sector > coordinators provided. > > Ron Rader > 1967 E FHC > Los Angeles > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 06:02:08 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon May 12 05:02:08 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EBF390F.142C1A6B@interworld.net> Message-ID: <000401c31875$6f6583f0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> I tend to feel that Ron's 'image' is more towards the way it should be done. Of course, if anyone wants to do their own thing and head off, so be it. Just 'caveat tourer', if I can mangle a bit of Latin! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES > JONAT: > I am about a week behind with my comments. > > I think it is important to have a beginning and an end each day. After all that > to me is the purpose of the tour. We all start from one place and we give out a > route and a map for that section. We say here is a nice place for lunch if you > want to stop here or here are several places for lunch. > > Here is where we are meeting at the end of the day. > Here is a budget hotel and here is a nicer Hotel. > Here are three places where you can have dinner. > > To my wife and I the fun part of long distance rallies or drives is dining with > the other participants. We are in the car by ourselves all day long. Rallies > like the Copperstate have about 50 cars. You have breakfast lunch and dinner at > each stop within a given time frame and you eat with someone different a each > meal (or not). > > On my sector we will arrive from Las Vegas on Tuesday night. I will have > something to do on Wednesday, (optional) and a Mexican dinner at the Petersen > automotive museum on Wednesday night, Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. I will have > to have a head count for these events. And yes there will be a charge. > > I am planning to get the local Jaguar clubs to meet us at the museum that night. > > On Thursday morning I have planned a question and answer fun rally / drive > through some areas that even locals seldom get to see. You can meet us at he > start or not. I have a drive through the Santa Monica Mountains the fields of > Oxnard, a break at a stage coach stop and lunch and tour at the Fess Parker > winery in Los Olivos. > > I think these are roads that everyone will love. There will also be a route from > west LA to SLO on the freeway direct for those who don't want the scenic tour. > > I am looking forward to Jerry's drive to a rural mission. I am looking forward > to driving on great roads that I would not take if I pulled out a map and went > on my own. > > Believe me the roads that I will take you on do not show up on most maps, but > all are paved and safe. I have run rallies and drives on all of these. IMO we > are looking to each sector co coordinator to show off the best roads for Jaguars > in each area. With fun places to stop, and sights to see. > > Ron Rader > 1967 E FHC > Los Angeles > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 06:02:11 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon May 12 05:02:11 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: waivers and porno References: <008301c31852$5e3ce5a0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <000701c31875$707ebc20$0100a8c0@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C318C4.F8C25D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThanks for the waiver. (But I couldn't find the porno bit.) Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Cc: Mark Stephenson=20 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: [JONAT] Fw: waivers and porno Here is the ABFM waiver again. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:35 PM "I agree to insure my vehicle against loss, damage and liability. = I agree to assume the risk of any damage or injury, and to indemnify and = hold harmless (JONAT), its officers, and directors or agents against any = acts of omission which may result in the theft, damage, or destruction = of my property or injury to me or others occurring during or as a = consequence of this (tour) including, but not limited to: overnight = storage, and all places associated with this (tour)." We should have this or similar wording and every entrant should be = required to sign this as part of the registration process; these forms = should be kept by the JONAT administrators. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C318C4.F8C25D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks for the waiver. (But I couldn't = find the=20 porno bit.)
 
Fazal
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:47 = PM
Subject: [JONAT] Fw: waivers = and=20 porno

Here is the ABFM waiver = again.
        =             =    =20     Gregory
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dr Gregory = Andrachuk=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:35 PM
 
    "I agree to insure = my vehicle=20 against loss, damage and liability. I agree to assume the risk of any = damage=20 or injury, and to indemnify and hold harmless (JONAT), its officers, = and=20 directors or agents against any acts of omission which may result in = the=20 theft, damage, or destruction of my property or injury to me or others = occurring during or as a consequence of this (tour) including, but not = limited=20 to: overnight storage, and all places associated with this=20 (tour)."
 
    We should have = this or similar=20 wording and every entrant should be required to sign this as part of = the=20 registration process; these forms should be kept by the JONAT=20 administrators.
  
------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C318C4.F8C25D90-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 07:22:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 12 06:22:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Liability Form References: <016d01c31459$0f5b6a80$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> <03d101c3148f$085d0aa0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <004001c314b5$0ded7dd0$77214518@LaptopG> <3EBB4006.4D69EE17@interworld.net> <004501c3164c$c0e3b560$77214518@LaptopG> <3EBF26EE.8936234A@interworld.net> Message-ID: <014601c31880$ac6226e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Ron, thanks very much for the form. We are looking at revising it as required and will forward to each of you for use as soon as possible. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > several have asked for this form. > see attached. > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > Ron R > > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > > > What does this form say? > > Gregory > > -- > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen Automotive museum > > : rallies. > > : ron > > : > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 07:26:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 12 06:26:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Re: Van Dusen All British Field Meet References: Message-ID: <015801c31881$2c3192c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> 4:00pm in the XJ area is the way I remember it too. I'll see you there then! Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet > Seems to me a while back we had arranged to get together at the Vandusen All > British Field Meet for those of us going. Do I remember correctly that we > were going to gather at the XJ display at 4:00 (that's next Saturday). [I > seem to have not saved that particular e-mail.] > > Who all is going besides Jamie, Gregory, and myself? I suspect some of > Gregory's committee will be there as well (?) > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 07:28:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 12 06:28:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EBF3A7F.ABA3E6B5@interworld.net> Message-ID: <016c01c31881$91a71580$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Ron? They don't make new "E"'s! Not that I've heard anyways! Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:09 PM Subject: [JONAT] Support > JONAT: > > I would like to see national sponsorship by Jaguar North America and AAA. > I would like to see an AAA flat bed that sweeps the route as we go and travels > with a new Jag on the flat bed. > > If a roadside problem occurs that can't be fixed then he gives you the new Jag > and flat beds your Jag to the nearest repair place (on the list that the sector > coordinators provided. > > Ron Rader > 1967 E FHC > Los Angeles > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 08:47:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Steve Ferring) Date: Mon May 12 07:47:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues References: <000801c31851$84a8f9f0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <3EBFA4EB.6E77FEAB@optonline.net> For what it's worth, I think we've gotten a bit off-track with the sag wagon and expense stuff. If the folks participating have an AAA membership and a tow is needed they are covered for a tow to a nearby shop for repair. That should be their responsibility as would the repair. In the NJ sector we will be providing a list of Jaguar specialist shops as well as home garages that are well eguipped for the run of the mill fixes. We will provide the tour with interesting places to stop and have lunch or dinner and the motel/hotel stops for the evening that are along the route(s) chosen. Depending upon the transit time given for our sector ( and we need to know when our sector begins and ends for this ) we will provide the tourers with several options on the layover day(s) to tour New York or use it (them) for maintenance or relaxation. Duh, several suggestions have been made for the tours here: a) refineries off the NJ parkway b) the largest landfill on Staten Island c) a broadway show d) mall shopping e) resting or.... Steve Ferring NJ coordinator (one of two) From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 09:46:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 12 08:46:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues References: <000801c31851$84a8f9f0$6400a8c0@jot> <3EBFA4EB.6E77FEAB@optonline.net> Message-ID: <01dc01c31894$d4ee0160$6501a8c0@attbi.com> a? b? or d? Aaaaahhhhh !!!! Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:43 AM > Duh, several suggestions have been made for the tours here: > a) refineries off the NJ parkway > b) the largest landfill on Staten Island > c) a broadway show > d) mall shopping > e) resting or.... > > Steve Ferring NJ coordinator (one of two) From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 11:06:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon May 12 10:06:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EBF3A7F.ABA3E6B5@interworld.net> <016c01c31881$91a71580$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3EBFC72C.CC5F4577@interworld.net> ok, how about an XKR? XJR? Ron Jamie - JONAT wrote: > Ron? They don't make new "E"'s! Not that I've heard anyways! > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rader" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:09 PM > Subject: [JONAT] Support > > > JONAT: > > > > I would like to see national sponsorship by Jaguar North America and AAA. > > I would like to see an AAA flat bed that sweeps the route as we go and > travels > > with a new Jag on the flat bed. > > > > If a roadside problem occurs that can't be fixed then he gives you the new > Jag > > and flat beds your Jag to the nearest repair place (on the list that the > sector > > coordinators provided. > > > > Ron Rader > > 1967 E FHC > > Los Angeles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 11:33:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon May 12 10:33:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility References: <000901c31842$3cafacc0$6400a8c0@jot> <001d01c31850$4f37e7a0$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: <018701c318a3$a6022480$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> I'll go with any waiver that has been scrubbed by a trial lawyer. I don't think it makes much difference what they say, because nobody will actually read them anyway. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > Ron and Mark: I think the first (Rally) waiver would scare the daylights > out of most people. I certainly don't intend to do anything dangerous. Do > any of you? > The JCNA waiver, or the ABFM waiver I sent a couple of days ago should > be sufficient without terrorising the potential participants. Opinions? > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:52 PM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > > > : Ron, > : > : It looks good. It will have to be modified to JONAT vs. AH clubs, and will > : have to be expanded to include the rules of the road in the U.S. and > Canada > : and the states and provinces contained therein. > : > : The JCNA one is even simpler: > : RELEASE OF LIABILITY: I hereby agree to enter the above described car(s) > in > : the JCNA 2003 Challenge Championship and to participate in other planned > : activities scheduled during the event. In consideration of the right and > : privilege to enter and participate in these events and other valuable > : considerations, and intending to be legally bound, I agree to release the > : Jaguar Clubs of North America, Inc., and the 2003 Challenge Championship > : committee from any and all liability for injuries, damages, or losses > : arising from my entry and attendance in this event. > : > : Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > : Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > : April 15 - July 4, 2004 > : > : > -----Original Message----- > : > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > : > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Rader > : > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:46 PM > : > To: jonat@autox.team.net > : > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > > : > > : > several have asked for this form. > : > see attached. > : > feel free to modify it as appropriate. > : > Ron R > : > > : > Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: > : > > : > > What does this form say? > : > > Gregory > : > > -- > : > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Individual vs. Tour Responsibility > : > > > : > > : I have release forms that we have used for the Petersen > : > Automotive museum > : > > : rallies. > : > > : ron > : > > : > : > > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 11:38:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon May 12 10:38:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EBF3A7F.ABA3E6B5@interworld.net> <000501c31875$6fb810c0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <01a001c318a4$59d5e8c0$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> I think AAA would be nice if we can get it. Alternatively, we can suggest to participants that they get AAA or towing insurance on their own, because the tour can't guarantee that level of support. After all, it's not that big a deal to get AAA, and an old Jaguar driver's naive or rich if she does not already have AAA Plus membership (100 mile towing). Jaguar NA would be nice, too, but we have to watch for making it a bigger, more formal deal than we like. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Support > Actually, this is not as crazy as it sounds. The marketing/advertising value > of showing off a new XJ6 (or whichever model they choose) throughout the > whole tour could be quite high AND the support value of being able to get to > your destination would be most welcome. We'll need to do a lot of hard > talking to get this, I feel. > What do you guys think? > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > > > JONAT: > > > > I would like to see national sponsorship by Jaguar North America and AAA. > > I would like to see an AAA flat bed that sweeps the route as we go and > travels > > with a new Jag on the flat bed. > > > > If a roadside problem occurs that can't be fixed then he gives you the new > Jag > > and flat beds your Jag to the nearest repair place (on the list that the > sector > > coordinators provided. > > > > Ron Rader > > 1967 E FHC > > Los Angeles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 11:39:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon May 12 10:39:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES References: <167.1fffa88e.2beda88b@aol.com> <002d01c31741$129e8e80$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <3EBF390F.142C1A6B@interworld.net> <000401c31875$6f6583f0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Message-ID: <01a601c318a4$816b4560$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Right, I want to do as Ron says for my sector. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES > I tend to feel that Ron's 'image' is more towards the way it should be done. > Of course, if anyone wants to do their own thing and head off, so be it. > Just 'caveat tourer', if I can mangle a bit of Latin! > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rader" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] SECTOR ROUTES > > > > JONAT: > > I am about a week behind with my comments. > > > > I think it is important to have a beginning and an end each day. After all > that > > to me is the purpose of the tour. We all start from one place and we give > out a > > route and a map for that section. We say here is a nice place for lunch if > you > > want to stop here or here are several places for lunch. > > > > Here is where we are meeting at the end of the day. > > Here is a budget hotel and here is a nicer Hotel. > > Here are three places where you can have dinner. > > > > To my wife and I the fun part of long distance rallies or drives is dining > with > > the other participants. We are in the car by ourselves all day long. > Rallies > > like the Copperstate have about 50 cars. You have breakfast lunch and > dinner at > > each stop within a given time frame and you eat with someone different a > each > > meal (or not). > > > > On my sector we will arrive from Las Vegas on Tuesday night. I will have > > something to do on Wednesday, (optional) and a Mexican dinner at the > Petersen > > automotive museum on Wednesday night, Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. I > will have > > to have a head count for these events. And yes there will be a charge. > > > > I am planning to get the local Jaguar clubs to meet us at the museum that > night. > > > > On Thursday morning I have planned a question and answer fun rally / drive > > through some areas that even locals seldom get to see. You can meet us at > he > > start or not. I have a drive through the Santa Monica Mountains the fields > of > > Oxnard, a break at a stage coach stop and lunch and tour at the Fess > Parker > > winery in Los Olivos. > > > > I think these are roads that everyone will love. There will also be a > route from > > west LA to SLO on the freeway direct for those who don't want the scenic > tour. > > > > I am looking forward to Jerry's drive to a rural mission. I am looking > forward > > to driving on great roads that I would not take if I pulled out a map and > went > > on my own. > > > > Believe me the roads that I will take you on do not show up on most maps, > but > > all are paved and safe. I have run rallies and drives on all of these. > IMO we > > are looking to each sector co coordinator to show off the best roads for > Jaguars > > in each area. With fun places to stop, and sights to see. > > > > Ron Rader > > 1967 E FHC > > Los Angeles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 12:15:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 12 11:15:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues References: <000801c31851$84a8f9f0$6400a8c0@jot> <3EBFA4EB.6E77FEAB@optonline.net> Message-ID: <000201c318a9$87c3c680$6501a8c0@attbi.com> I've been holding my response to the "sag wagon" issue. But I guess I'll have to jump in here at some point and it may as well be now. I feel much like Steve does with regard to the AAA or towing coverage one should have on their insurance. And as far as a place to work on the cars, get work done or procure parts? Well I like the idea of several volunteers in each local area, perhaps fellow Tourers, stepping up for the place to do some small repairs. Otherwise it's better to take it to the Dealer or a Jaguar Specialist if that intense of a requirement should come up. I feel it will be difficult to provide constant "on site" support as it is a huge undertaking due to expense and logistics. I feel we are probably not going to be prepared to fully cover this for the first attempt at this Tour. Perhaps in future renditions we will be able to grow the 'benefits package' for Tour members to include a 'sag wagon' or some such support operation. But then this is only my opinion (as I watch this thing explode beyond belief). One of my fears is that the Tour will expand to so many issues that we will not be able to keep control enough to provide a good service in any area. If we can just focus on the initial Tour concepts, do a good job with them first, then think about more "bells & whistles" for future Tours as we learn what the actual parameters of managing an event of this scale require. Comments? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ferring" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues > For what it's worth, I think we've gotten a bit off-track with the sag wagon and > expense stuff. If the folks participating have an AAA membership and a tow is > needed they are covered for a tow to a nearby shop for repair. That should be > their responsibility as would the repair. In the NJ sector we will be providing > a list of Jaguar specialist shops as well as home garages that are well eguipped > for the run of the mill fixes. > We will provide the tour with interesting places to stop and have lunch or > dinner and the motel/hotel stops for the evening that are along the route(s) > chosen. > Depending upon the transit time given for our sector ( and we need to know when > our sector begins and ends for this ) we will provide the tourers with several > options on the layover day(s) to tour New York or use it (them) for maintenance > or relaxation. > Duh, several suggestions have been made for the tours here: > a) refineries off the NJ parkway > b) the largest landfill on Staten Island > c) a broadway show > d) mall shopping > e) resting or.... > Steve Ferring NJ coordinator (one of two) From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 12:25:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon May 12 11:25:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues References: <000801c31851$84a8f9f0$6400a8c0@jot> <3EBFA4EB.6E77FEAB@optonline.net> <000201c318a9$87c3c680$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <006501c318aa$9e721750$77214518@LaptopG> Jamie: I am with you: let's keep it simple, keep the responsibility on the participants, and let's have fun: fewer complications = more fun. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues : I've been holding my response to the "sag wagon" issue. But I guess I'll : have to jump in here at some point and it may as well be now. : : I feel much like Steve does with regard to the AAA or towing coverage one : should have on their insurance. And as far as a place to work on the cars, : get work done or procure parts? Well I like the idea of several volunteers : in each local area, perhaps fellow Tourers, stepping up for the place to do : some small repairs. Otherwise it's better to take it to the Dealer or a : Jaguar Specialist if that intense of a requirement should come up. : : I feel it will be difficult to provide constant "on site" support as it is a : huge undertaking due to expense and logistics. I feel we are probably not : going to be prepared to fully cover this for the first attempt at this Tour. : Perhaps in future renditions we will be able to grow the 'benefits package' : for Tour members to include a 'sag wagon' or some such support operation. : : But then this is only my opinion (as I watch this thing explode beyond : belief). One of my fears is that the Tour will expand to so many issues : that we will not be able to keep control enough to provide a good service in : any area. If we can just focus on the initial Tour concepts, do a good job : with them first, then think about more "bells & whistles" for future Tours : as we learn what the actual parameters of managing an event of this scale : require. : : Comments? : : Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA : 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org : April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Steve Ferring" : To: : Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:43 AM : Subject: Re: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues : : : > For what it's worth, I think we've gotten a bit off-track with the sag : wagon and : > expense stuff. If the folks participating have an AAA membership and a tow : is : > needed they are covered for a tow to a nearby shop for repair. That should : be : > their responsibility as would the repair. In the NJ sector we will be : providing : > a list of Jaguar specialist shops as well as home garages that are well : eguipped : > for the run of the mill fixes. : > We will provide the tour with interesting places to stop and have lunch or : > dinner and the motel/hotel stops for the evening that are along the : route(s) : > chosen. : > Depending upon the transit time given for our sector ( and we need to know : when : > our sector begins and ends for this ) we will provide the tourers with : several : > options on the layover day(s) to tour New York or use it (them) for : maintenance : > or relaxation. : > Duh, several suggestions have been made for the tours here: : > a) refineries off the NJ parkway : > b) the largest landfill on Staten Island : > c) a broadway show : > d) mall shopping : > e) resting or.... : > Steve Ferring NJ coordinator (one of two) : : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 20:18:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon May 12 19:18:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support In-Reply-To: <3EBF3A7F.ABA3E6B5@interworld.net> Message-ID: Ron ... I like the idea ... I think my car will be the first to break down if they're giving out a new XJ as a spare :^) Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |JONAT: | |I would like to see national sponsorship by Jaguar North America and AAA. |I would like to see an AAA flat bed that sweeps the route as we go |and travels |with a new Jag on the flat bed. | |If a roadside problem occurs that can't be fixed then he gives you |the new Jag |and flat beds your Jag to the nearest repair place (on the list |that the sector |coordinators provided. | |Ron Rader |1967 E FHC |Los Angeles From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 20:28:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon May 12 19:28:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet In-Reply-To: <002601c31850$cb7cf440$77214518@LaptopG> Message-ID: Gregory I'll see if I can't put together a poster or two for the Western Driver desk, as well as a notice for the bulletin board. I won't be at the meet and greet, as my wife and I are visiting friends Friday night. Anyone else going? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk |Sent: May 12, 2003 12:36 AM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet | | |Bob: yes, we said 4 PM, at the XJ display; and yes, my team of Dave Cooke |and Doug Ingram and Roy Gill will be there. It shouldn't take too long to |iron out a few things. | Bob: do we have a poster to show at the Western Driver desk (they are |the sponsors)? We should also put a notice up on the bulletin board. | I won't be going over until Saturday morning so if you are at the 'Meet |and Greet" on Friday night and run into Patrick Stewart, he is the fellow |from Western Driver who encouraged us to do this. Make yourself known to |him. | Gregory | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Bob" |To: |Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:01 PM |Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet | | |: Seems to me a while back we had arranged to get together at the Vandusen |All |: British Field Meet for those of us going. Do I remember |correctly that we |: were going to gather at the XJ display at 4:00 (that's next |Saturday). [I |: seem to have not saved that particular e-mail.] |: |: Who all is going besides Jamie, Gregory, and myself? I suspect some of |: Gregory's committee will be there as well (?) |: |: Bob England |: '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 |: Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) |: Route Coordinator |: http://www.jonat.org |: |: _______________________________________________ |: JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |: REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |: www.jonat.org |: _______________________________________________ | |_______________________________________________ |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net |www.jonat.org |_______________________________________________ | From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 20:40:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon May 12 19:40:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues In-Reply-To: <000201c318a9$87c3c680$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Jamie As this thread unwinds, and we all (including myself) get carried away with these good ideas, thanks for bringing us back to earth. We do have to keep this simple and fun. Having said that, lets keep these good ideas coming. This particular one might be worth following up down the road a bit, and perhaps even for the 2004 tour if all unwinds as it should. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |But then this is only my opinion (as I watch this thing explode beyond |belief). One of my fears is that the Tour will expand to so many issues |that we will not be able to keep control enough to provide a good |service in |any area. If we can just focus on the initial Tour concepts, do a good job |with them first, then think about more "bells & whistles" for future Tours |as we learn what the actual parameters of managing an event of this scale |require. | |Comments? | |Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 20:59:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon May 12 19:59:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] sad news from Ginger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those of you who do not subscribe to the JagLovers E-Type list, Pascal Gademer sent through the note at the end of this e-mail. Ginger was, for a very short time before her husband got sick, the SC for Orlando. Bill, if you see Ginger, please pass on all of our condolences and best wishes to her. Bob England |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org]On |Behalf Of Pascal Gademer |Sent: May 12, 2003 2:17 PM |To: e-type@jag-lovers.org |Subject: [E-Type] sad news from Ginger | | |Ginger called me a short while ago, her husband Bill passed away earlier |today. As most of you know, he had been ill for a few months now and |she's been off the list obvously. | |dont think she checks her email much these days , but it's |jaguare71@aol.com | |Pascal From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 12 21:19:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 12 20:19:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] sad news from Ginger References: Message-ID: <005c01c318f5$92a755c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Oh My Gawd!!! I just today sent her a note inquiring as to his health as I knew he had come home from hospital and had been looking better a couple of weeks ago. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: [JONAT] sad news from Ginger > For those of you who do not subscribe to the JagLovers E-Type list, Pascal > Gademer sent through the note at the end of this e-mail. > > Ginger was, for a very short time before her husband got sick, the SC for > Orlando. Bill, if you see Ginger, please pass on all of our condolences and > best wishes to her. > > Bob England > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org]On > |Behalf Of Pascal Gademer > |Sent: May 12, 2003 2:17 PM > |To: e-type@jag-lovers.org > |Subject: [E-Type] sad news from Ginger > | > | > |Ginger called me a short while ago, her husband Bill passed away earlier > |today. As most of you know, he had been ill for a few months now and > |she's been off the list obvously. > | > |dont think she checks her email much these days , but it's > |jaguare71@aol.com > | > |Pascal > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 13 00:03:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon May 12 23:03:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet References: Message-ID: <01b101c3190c$21287f70$77214518@LaptopG> Thanks Bob. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet : Gregory : : I'll see if I can't put together a poster or two for the Western Driver : desk, as well as a notice for the bulletin board. : : I won't be at the meet and greet, as my wife and I are visiting friends : Friday night. Anyone else going? : : Bob England : '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) : Route Coordinator : http://www.jonat.org : : : : |-----Original Message----- : |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On : |Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk : |Sent: May 12, 2003 12:36 AM : |To: jonat@autox.team.net : |Subject: Re: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet : | : | : |Bob: yes, we said 4 PM, at the XJ display; and yes, my team of Dave Cooke : |and Doug Ingram and Roy Gill will be there. It shouldn't take too long to : |iron out a few things. : | Bob: do we have a poster to show at the Western Driver desk (they are : |the sponsors)? We should also put a notice up on the bulletin board. : | I won't be going over until Saturday morning so if you are at the 'Meet : |and Greet" on Friday night and run into Patrick Stewart, he is the fellow : |from Western Driver who encouraged us to do this. Make yourself known to : |him. : | Gregory : | : |----- Original Message ----- : |From: "Bob" : |To: : |Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:01 PM : |Subject: [JONAT] Vandusen All British Field Meet : | : | : |: Seems to me a while back we had arranged to get together at the Vandusen : |All : |: British Field Meet for those of us going. Do I remember : |correctly that we : |: were going to gather at the XJ display at 4:00 (that's next : |Saturday). [I : |: seem to have not saved that particular e-mail.] : |: : |: Who all is going besides Jamie, Gregory, and myself? I suspect some of : |: Gregory's committee will be there as well (?) : |: : |: Bob England : |: '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 : |: Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) : |: Route Coordinator : |: http://www.jonat.org : |: : |: _______________________________________________ : |: JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : |: REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : |: www.jonat.org : |: _______________________________________________ : | : |_______________________________________________ : |JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : |REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : |www.jonat.org : |_______________________________________________ : | : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 13 03:42:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue May 13 02:42:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Support & Other Issues References: <000801c31851$84a8f9f0$6400a8c0@jot> <3EBFA4EB.6E77FEAB@optonline.net> <000201c318a9$87c3c680$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <00e901c3192b$0ff61720$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Jamie True, we were all getting quite enthused by the definitely great ideas. Much as I'd like it to be bigger than Ben Hur, lets get this one off the ground and save the ideas for the 06, 08, etc. So, lets stick with something called ' individual reponsibility', a once common attribute in both Oz & USA. Regards Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > I feel much like Steve does with regard to the AAA or towing coverage one > should have on their insurance. And as far as a place to work on the cars, > get work done or procure parts? Well I like the idea of several volunteers > in each local area, perhaps fellow Tourers, stepping up for the place to do > some small repairs. Otherwise it's better to take it to the Dealer or a > Jaguar Specialist if that intense of a requirement should come up. > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 14 06:29:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Wed May 14 05:29:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Condolences; was - Sad News from Ginger Message-ID: <016701c31a0b$823b6980$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Here's a forward of a message from Pascal. For those who wish to, below is a link to a forum set up to leave condolences to Ginger and her family. The Jaguar Owner's North American Tour Organization is officially sending some flowers and condolences on behalf of our membership too. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:54 AM I've setup a form for members to leave her notes, www.jcna.com/php/symp.php It was announced on E-type list since that's where she was subs too. Pascal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:56 PM > Subject: [JONAT] sad news from Ginger > > > For those of you who do not subscribe to the JagLovers E-Type list, Pascal > > Gademer sent through the note at the end of this e-mail. > > > > Ginger was, for a very short time before her husband got sick, the SC for > > Orlando. Bill, if you see Ginger, please pass on all of our condolences > > and best wishes to her. > > > > Bob England > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > |From: owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org]On > > |Behalf Of Pascal Gademer > > |Sent: May 12, 2003 2:17 PM > > |To: e-type@jag-lovers.org > > |Subject: [E-Type] sad news from Ginger > > | > > |Ginger called me a short while ago, her husband Bill passed away earlier > > |today. As most of you know, he had been ill for a few months now and > > |she's been off the list obvously. > > | > > |Dont think she checks her email much these days , but it's > > |jaguare71@aol.com > > | > > |Pascal > > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 14 06:35:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed May 14 05:35:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Condolences; was - Sad News from Ginger References: <016701c31a0b$823b6980$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <01b901c31a0c$656910e0$0100a8c0@FAZAL> Well done, Jamie & crew. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: [JONAT] Condolences; was - Sad News from Ginger > Here's a forward of a message from Pascal. For those who wish to, below is > a link to a forum set up to leave condolences to Ginger and her family. > > The Jaguar Owner's North American Tour Organization is officially sending > some flowers and condolences on behalf of our membership too. > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:54 AM > > I've setup a form for members to leave her notes, www.jcna.com/php/symp.php > > It was announced on E-type list since that's where she was subs too. > > Pascal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:56 PM > > Subject: [JONAT] sad news from Ginger > > > > > For those of you who do not subscribe to the JagLovers E-Type list, > Pascal > > > Gademer sent through the note at the end of this e-mail. > > > > > > Ginger was, for a very short time before her husband got sick, the SC > for > > > Orlando. Bill, if you see Ginger, please pass on all of our condolences > > > and best wishes to her. > > > > > > Bob England > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > > |From: owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org > [mailto:owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org]On > > > |Behalf Of Pascal Gademer > > > |Sent: May 12, 2003 2:17 PM > > > |To: e-type@jag-lovers.org > > > |Subject: [E-Type] sad news from Ginger > > > | > > > |Ginger called me a short while ago, her husband Bill passed away > earlier > > > |today. As most of you know, he had been ill for a few months now and > > > |she's been off the list obvously. > > > | > > > |Dont think she checks her email much these days , but it's > > > |jaguare71@aol.com > > > | > > > |Pascal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 14 23:53:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed May 14 22:53:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Condolences; was - Sad News from Ginger In-Reply-To: <016701c31a0b$823b6980$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: Jamie ... nice touch with the flowers ... well done. Bob |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT |Sent: May 14, 2003 5:25 AM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: [JONAT] Condolences; was - Sad News from Ginger | | |Here's a forward of a message from Pascal. For those who wish to, below is |a link to a forum set up to leave condolences to Ginger and her family. | |The Jaguar Owner's North American Tour Organization is officially sending |some flowers and condolences on behalf of our membership too. | |Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 16 06:26:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri May 16 05:26:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Attn - San Fransisco SC; Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet Message-ID: <053501c31b9d$70314b40$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Jerry? Is this event held every year? Is it possible to incorp this into one of the stops or a "day of rest" in your Sector? Or is it held too far out of the date range? Could you see if you can find out the dates for 2004 and think about this? Maybe contact Ken Davis. (By the way, I'm surprised he hasn't signed up for the Tour yet. My guess is he may think you have to partake in the whole thing as some folks have at first mentioned. You might slip in that it's as long as you want or as short as you want. He could be some help for you in your area as I've 'electronically' known him for about 3-4 years now and he's a pretty nice guy) Thanks, Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Davis" > To: "XJ Lover's List" > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:57 AM > Subject: [xj] Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet > > Found out last evening that the Dixon Car show and SWAP MEET is > > being held this coming Sunday. The dixon meet is a large-ish one, > > I beleive sponsored by the Sacramento CA United British Sports Car > > Club (details probably wrong), but is a chance for all to wander > > thru and look for oddball parts for their LBC's. > > The link to the club /event is > > http://www.ubscc.org/Dixon_QA_questions.htm scroll down a bit; it > > mentions the swap meet and the link to the Club is > > http://www.ubscc.org/dixon_home.html > > and the directions are > > http://www.ubscc.org/images/photos/web/Dixon-map_tn.jpg > > No affiliation, comercial, personal nor family, with this event or > > club. > > Ken > > So San Francisco > > 87 SIII From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 16 06:29:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri May 16 05:29:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Membership Recruiting Message-ID: <053e01c31b9d$cb9a2c40$6501a8c0@attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_053B_01C31B63.1E259E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you know anyone with a Jaguar that hasn't signed up yet, you should = make an effort to try and find out why not. It could be they for some = reason haven't heard of JONAT yet or they have taken the stance of "I'll = get to it later". If this is the case, please ask them to sign up as we = are currently trying to get a realistic number of participants in order = to be able to procure some discounts and such. If there is a problem with the Tour, we should get that feedback and see = what can be done to eliminate that reasoning to the betterment of the = Tour for everyone's sake. As perhaps many folks have the same opinion = and it's something we haven't thought of. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_053B_01C31B63.1E259E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you know anyone with a Jaguar that hasn't signed up yet, you = should make=20 an effort to try and find out why not.  It could be they for some = reason=20 haven't heard of JONAT yet or they have taken the stance of "I'll get to = it=20 later".  If this is the case, please ask them to sign up as we are=20 currently trying to get a realistic number of participants in order to = be able=20 to procure some discounts and such.
 
If there is a problem with the Tour, we = should get=20 that feedback and see what can be done to eliminate that reasoning to = the=20 betterment of the Tour for everyone's sake.  As perhaps many folks = have the=20 same opinion and it's something we haven't thought of.
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series = III V12 VdP=20 - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
------=_NextPart_000_053B_01C31B63.1E259E80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 16 11:27:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Fri May 16 10:27:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Attn - San Fransisco SC; Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet References: <053501c31b9d$70314b40$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <011f01c31bc7$5cdf8460$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Jamie, I'll talk to Ken about dates. Of course, the dates would have to work out exactly, and it would be in lieu of a day winetasting at Napa or visiting San Francisco. It will definitely be presented as a part of the tour if it is close in time -- either included or an optional extra for those interested. I assume our dates are going to be set in stone pretty soon, eh? if not already. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie - JONAT" To: Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:22 AM Subject: [JONAT] Attn - San Fransisco SC; Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet > Jerry? Is this event held every year? Is it possible to incorp this into > one of the stops or a "day of rest" in your Sector? Or is it held too far > out of the date range? Could you see if you can find out the dates for 2004 > and think about this? Maybe contact Ken Davis. (By the way, I'm surprised > he hasn't signed up for the Tour yet. My guess is he may think you have to > partake in the whole thing as some folks have at first mentioned. You might > slip in that it's as long as you want or as short as you want. He could be > some help for you in your area as I've 'electronically' known him for about > 3-4 years now and he's a pretty nice guy) > > Thanks, > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ken Davis" > > To: "XJ Lover's List" > > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:57 AM > > Subject: [xj] Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet > > > Found out last evening that the Dixon Car show and SWAP MEET is > > > being held this coming Sunday. The dixon meet is a large-ish one, > > > I beleive sponsored by the Sacramento CA United British Sports Car > > > Club (details probably wrong), but is a chance for all to wander > > > thru and look for oddball parts for their LBC's. > > > The link to the club /event is > > > http://www.ubscc.org/Dixon_QA_questions.htm scroll down a bit; it > > > mentions the swap meet and the link to the Club is > > > http://www.ubscc.org/dixon_home.html > > > and the directions are > > > http://www.ubscc.org/images/photos/web/Dixon-map_tn.jpg > > > No affiliation, comercial, personal nor family, with this event or > > > club. > > > Ken > > > So San Francisco > > > 87 SIII > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 16 18:05:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Fri May 16 17:05:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Attn - San Fransisco SC; Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet References: <053501c31b9d$70314b40$6501a8c0@attbi.com> <011f01c31bc7$5cdf8460$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <059c01c31bff$1b124b20$6501a8c0@attbi.com> If it's fun to do, we might be able to squeeze another day in your area. No promises though. Please check it out and we'll decide shortly with some more information. I think the dates are not in concrete or stone yet ass we do not have an SC for all Sectors yet. A decision will have to be made very soon as to how we can get those Sectors developed. It would be a shame to do it from afar without a locally experienced person doing it, but we may be forced as you are absolutely correct in thinking these routes and dates need to be locked shortly. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mouton" To: Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Attn - San Fransisco SC; Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet > Jamie, > > I'll talk to Ken about dates. Of course, the dates would have to > work out exactly, and it would be in lieu of a day > winetasting at Napa or visiting San Francisco. It will > definitely be presented as a part of the tour if it is > close in time -- either included or an optional extra > for those interested. > > I assume our dates are going to be set in stone pretty soon, eh? > if not already. > > Jerry > > Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie - JONAT" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:22 AM > Subject: [JONAT] Attn - San Fransisco SC; Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet > > > > Jerry? Is this event held every year? Is it possible to incorp this into > > one of the stops or a "day of rest" in your Sector? Or is it held too far > > out of the date range? Could you see if you can find out the dates for > 2004 > > and think about this? Maybe contact Ken Davis. (By the way, I'm > surprised > > he hasn't signed up for the Tour yet. My guess is he may think you have > to > > partake in the whole thing as some folks have at first mentioned. You > might > > slip in that it's as long as you want or as short as you want. He could > be > > some help for you in your area as I've 'electronically' known him for > about > > 3-4 years now and he's a pretty nice guy) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA > > 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ken Davis" > > > To: "XJ Lover's List" > > > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:57 AM > > > Subject: [xj] Dixon CA Car show and Swap Meet > > > > Found out last evening that the Dixon Car show and SWAP MEET is > > > > being held this coming Sunday. The dixon meet is a large-ish one, > > > > I beleive sponsored by the Sacramento CA United British Sports Car > > > > Club (details probably wrong), but is a chance for all to wander > > > > thru and look for oddball parts for their LBC's. > > > > The link to the club /event is > > > > http://www.ubscc.org/Dixon_QA_questions.htm scroll down a bit; it > > > > mentions the swap meet and the link to the Club is > > > > http://www.ubscc.org/dixon_home.html > > > > and the directions are > > > > http://www.ubscc.org/images/photos/web/Dixon-map_tn.jpg > > > > No affiliation, comercial, personal nor family, with this event or > > > > club. > > > > Ken > > > > So San Francisco > > > > 87 SIII > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 19 07:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 19 06:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting Message-ID: <015801c31dfd$91a2c1c0$6501a8c0@comcast.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C31DC2.E3EC9720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As soon as I get some more requested information from the attending = members of some things discussed during the JONAT meeting which took = place on this last Saturday at the close of the Van Dusen ABFM, I will = post a summarization of items discussed, here on our Forum to keep you = all aware of how things are progressing. Don't get too excited though = as it was basically typical business items and I'm sure you will find = information regarding the Van Dusen event much more palatable! = And I think perhaps several of our members might be putting some tidbits = out on the ether regarding that. (I was late and therefore wouldn't be = a great source of info on the Show, but I'll tell you that what I did = see was ... wow!!) Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C31DC2.E3EC9720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As soon as I get some more requested = information=20 from the attending members of some things discussed during the JONAT = meeting=20 which took place on this last Saturday at the close of the Van Dusen = ABFM, I=20 will post a summarization of items discussed, here on our Forum to keep = you all=20 aware of how things are progressing.  Don't get too excited though = as it=20 was basically typical business items and I'm sure you will find = information=20 regarding the Van Dusen event much more palatable! <grin>  = And I=20 think perhaps several of our members might be putting some tidbits out = on=20 the ether regarding that.  (I was late and therefore wouldn't = be a=20 great source of info on the Show, but I'll tell you that what I did see = was ...=20 wow!!)
 
Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA
88 Series = III V12 VdP=20 - Roxanne
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C31DC2.E3EC9720-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 20 22:48:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue May 20 21:48:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting In-Reply-To: <006a01c31ec2$703de8a0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C31F18.E3C63600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was very nice to have the opportunity to meet with those of you who were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver last Saturday. It was a great event, and one I look forward to attending next year on the Tour. For those that were not able to make it, I've posted some photos to the website at http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/jagnuts/030517_VanDusen.htm There certainly were some good ideas tossed about, and the enthusiasm was undeniable. I had the chance to talk to one of the organizers of the event; a fellow Gregory had been in touch with. They are really looking forward to having us at next years event, and are already thinking about allowing us space for 75 cars! Good work Gregory ! I hope I have the opportunity of meeting with more of you as time progresses. Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C31F18.E3C63600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It was very nice to have the opportunity to = meet with=20 those of you who were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field = Meet in=20 Vancouver last Saturday.  It was a great event, and one I look = forward to=20 attending next year on the Tour.  For those that were not able to = make it,=20 I've posted some photos to the website = at
http= ://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/jagnuts/030517_VanDusen.htm=
 
There certainly were some good ideas tossed = about, and=20 the enthusiasm was undeniable.
 
I had the chance to talk to one of the = organizers of=20 the event; a fellow Gregory had been in touch with.  They are = really=20 looking forward to having us at next years event, and are already = thinking about=20 allowing us space for 75 cars!  Good work=20 Gregory !
 
I hope I have the opportunity of meeting = with more=20 of you as time progresses.
 
Bob England
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C31F18.E3C63600-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 20 23:33:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue May 20 22:33:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting References: Message-ID: <012801c31f51$49d08440$77214518@LaptopG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_sMAUwk8jyuzlg6I/RnPbzw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: super photos! If that doesn't encourage people to do this leg of the tour, what will? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting It was very nice to have the opportunity to meet with those of you who were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver last Saturday. It was a great event, and one I look forward to attending next year on the Tour. For those that were not able to make it, I've posted some photos to the website at http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/jagnuts/030517_VanDusen.htm There certainly were some good ideas tossed about, and the enthusiasm was undeniable. I had the chance to talk to one of the organizers of the event; a fellow Gregory had been in touch with. They are really looking forward to having us at next years event, and are already thinking about allowing us space for 75 cars! Good work Gregory ! I hope I have the opportunity of meeting with more of you as time progresses. Bob England --Boundary_(ID_sMAUwk8jyuzlg6I/RnPbzw) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob: super photos! If that doesn't encourage people to do this leg of the tour, what will?
                                Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting

It was very nice to have the opportunity to meet with those of you who were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver last Saturday.  It was a great event, and one I look forward to attending next year on the Tour.  For those that were not able to make it, I've posted some photos to the website at
 
There certainly were some good ideas tossed about, and the enthusiasm was undeniable.
 
I had the chance to talk to one of the organizers of the event; a fellow Gregory had been in touch with.  They are really looking forward to having us at next years event, and are already thinking about allowing us space for 75 cars!  Good work Gregory !
 
I hope I have the opportunity of meeting with more of you as time progresses.
 
Bob England
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_sMAUwk8jyuzlg6I/RnPbzw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 21 07:05:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed May 21 06:05:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting References: Message-ID: <000f01c31f90$86d93780$bb148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C31FE4.5812AF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent pics. I can see that Vancouver is looking like a highlight of = JONAT. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting It was very nice to have the opportunity to meet with those of you who = were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver = last Saturday. It was a great event, and one I look forward to = attending next year on the Tour. For those that were not able to make = it, I've posted some photos to the website at http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/jagnuts/030517_VanDusen.htm There certainly were some good ideas tossed about, and the enthusiasm = was undeniable. I had the chance to talk to one of the organizers of the event; a = fellow Gregory had been in touch with. They are really looking forward = to having us at next years event, and are already thinking about = allowing us space for 75 cars! Good work Gregory ! I hope I have the opportunity of meeting with more of you as time = progresses. Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C31FE4.5812AF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent pics. I can see that = Vancouver is looking=20 like a highlight of JONAT.
 
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob =
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 = 1:43=20 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Van Dusen = "Business"=20 meeting

It was very nice to have the opportunity to = meet with=20 those of you who were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field = Meet in=20 Vancouver last Saturday.  It was a great event, and one I look = forward to=20 attending next year on the Tour.  For those that were not able to = make=20 it, I've posted some photos to the website=20 at
http= ://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/jagnuts/030517_VanDusen.htm=
 
There certainly were some good ideas tossed = about,=20 and the enthusiasm was undeniable.
 
I had the chance to talk to one of the = organizers of=20 the event; a fellow Gregory had been in touch with.  They are = really=20 looking forward to having us at next years event, and are already = thinking=20 about allowing us space for 75 cars!  Good work=20 Gregory !
 
I hope I have the opportunity of meeting=20 with more of you as time = progresses.
 
Bob = England
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C31FE4.5812AF90-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 21 16:11:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Wed May 21 15:11:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting References: <000f01c31f90$86d93780$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <3ECBA1AE.FEC64E16@interworld.net> --------------6A6C1D1B3F35879943394280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vancouver is one of our favorite places. we have been there 13 times in the last 6 years. ron LA Fazal Cader wrote: > Excellent pics. I can see that Vancouver is looking like a highlight of > JONAT. Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:43 PM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting > It was very nice to have the opportunity to meet with those of you > who were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field Meet in > Vancouver last Saturday. It was a great event, and one I look > forward to attending next year on the Tour. For those that were not > able to make it, I've posted some photos to the website > athttp://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/jagnuts/030517_VanDusen.htmThere > certainly were some good ideas tossed about, and the enthusiasm was > undeniable.I had the chance to talk to one of the organizers of the > event; a fellow Gregory had been in touch with. They are really > looking forward to having us at next years event, and are already > thinking about allowing us space for 75 cars! Good work Gregory !I > hope I have the opportunity of meeting with more of you as time > progresses.Bob England > --------------6A6C1D1B3F35879943394280 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vancouver is one of our favorite places. we have been there 13 times in the last 6 years.
ron
LA

Fazal Cader wrote:

Excellent pics. I can see that Vancouver is looking like a highlight of JONAT. Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004  
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Van Dusen "Business" meeting
 It was very nice to have the opportunity to meet with those of you who were able to attend the Van Dusen All British Field Meet in Vancouver last Saturday.  It was a great event, and one I look forward to attending next year on the Tour.  For those that were not able to make it, I've posted some photos to the website athttp://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/jagnuts/030517_VanDusen.htmThere certainly were some good ideas tossed about, and the enthusiasm was undeniable.I had the chance to talk to one of the organizers of the event; a fellow Gregory had been in touch with.  They are really looking forward to having us at next years event, and are already thinking about allowing us space for 75 cars!  Good work Gregory !I hope I have the opportunity of meeting with more of you as time progresses.Bob England
--------------6A6C1D1B3F35879943394280-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 22 02:38:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu May 22 01:38:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run Message-ID: <000701c32034$65774790$6400a8c0@jot> I received this confirmation of the dates of the Route 66 Fun Run, below. We almost have it planned right. Here are some write-ups of this past year's events: http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/azcougarclub/Events/Rt66FunRun02/picture s_from_the_2002_route_66_.htm (Sorry, you'll probably have to piece that one together.) http://www.carsandpartscorvette.com/Features/042002/042002_rt66.asp http://www.cart66pf.org/66caravan/roadlog06.htm Here is a schedule of events from this year's event: http://www.route66giftshop.com/happenins.html Now that brings me to an important point. Someone has changed the dates on the itinerary, I think. We are coming off a long run from Kayenta to Williams, especially when you consider that we'll probably take a few hours at the Grand Canyon, perhaps even eat dinner there and make a twilight run to Williams. A couple short drives would be nice, particularly since there will be a lot to do on the Fun Run. I had originally planned for two days on the Fun Run because as you can see from the schedule, there are things to do along the road both Saturday and Sunday. Saturday is the big night in Kingman. Somehow that got changed (or I didn't notice it before) so that we are doing the entire run in one day. You'll probably lose a lot of us (me, for one) who will stay overnight in Kingman and then head to the end of the Fun Run and Lake Havasu on Sunday. I've never been on the Fun Run, but based on the write-ups, and first hand accounts from past years, I think JONATers will be disappointed, if they miss Saturday in Kingman, too. It would be really good if we could add that day back in. I've asked Laura a few more questions about the schedule and accommodations and I'll pass that along when I receive it. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions > -----Original Message----- > From: Historic Route 66 Assoc. of AZ [mailto:azrt66@route66web.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:00 AM > To: Mark Stephenson > Subject: Re: 2004 Fun Run > > > Mark, > The dates for Fun-Run 2004 will be April 30- May 1 & 2, > 2004. We would > certainly be very pleased to have your group join in! Our web > site will be > updated shortly. Might I make a suggestion ? I encourage > participants to > make room reservations early ( some have already done so for > next year) I > recommend the Grand Canyon Inn (about 18 miles west of > Seligman) for Friday > night,April 30th 928/422-3223. I stayed there last year and > plan to do so > again next year, folks there were friendly and went out of > their way to make > it a nice visit and it has just been dedicated as a must see > historic site. > Also the Best Western Kings Inn for Saturday > night.928/753-6101, mention to > both places I referred you! > I can send you a list of accommedations if you like, I will need your > mailing address. If I can be of further assistance please > don't hesitate to > contact me. Hope to see you all at the !7th Annul Fun-Run! > Sincerly > Laura Stevens > Director > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:51 AM > Subject: 2004 Fun Run > > > I sent this a few weeks ago, probably just before the 2003 Fun Run. I > wouldn't be surprised if it got lost in the last minute > crush. Hopefully > things have slowed down a bit and you have time to reply. In > the last few > weeks, we have pretty much set up the entire route on the > assumption that > the Fun Run will be May 1 and 2. Would that be accurate? > > Mark > > > Hi, > > A group we have just formed is planning a Jaguar tour around > North America. > Timing is such that we could time our Arizona sector to link > up with the Fun > Run in 2004. > > We are hoping that the Fun Run in 2004 will be May 1 and 2. > > At this point we have no idea how many cars will be > participating, but my > initial guess would be 20-30. > > Have you set a date for next year? > > Mark Stephenson > Jaguar Owners North American Tour, Arizona Sector > http://jonat.org > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 22 22:04:04 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu May 22 21:04:04 2003 Subject: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run In-Reply-To: <000701c32034$65774790$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: No problem Mark ... Its probably been that way from the beginning (or, more likely, I've screwed up somewhere). Please summarize for me the dates and stop locations for your Sector and I'll fix it up this weekend. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- | |I received this confirmation of the dates of the Route 66 Fun Run, |below. We |almost have it planned right. | |Here are some write-ups of this past year's events: | |http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/azcougarclub/Events/Rt66FunRun0 |2/picture |s_from_the_2002_route_66_.htm (Sorry, you'll probably have to |piece that one |together.) | |http://www.carsandpartscorvette.com/Features/042002/042002_rt66.asp | |http://www.cart66pf.org/66caravan/roadlog06.htm | |Here is a schedule of events from this year's event: |http://www.route66giftshop.com/happenins.html | |Now that brings me to an important point. Someone has changed the dates on |the itinerary, I think. We are coming off a long run from Kayenta to |Williams, especially when you consider that we'll probably take a few hours |at the Grand Canyon, perhaps even eat dinner there and make a twilight run |to Williams. A couple short drives would be nice, particularly since there |will be a lot to do on the Fun Run. I had originally planned for |two days on |the Fun Run because as you can see from the schedule, there are |things to do |along the road both Saturday and Sunday. Saturday is the big night in |Kingman. | |Somehow that got changed (or I didn't notice it before) so that we |are doing |the entire run in one day. You'll probably lose a lot of us (me, for one) |who will stay overnight in Kingman and then head to the end of the Fun Run |and Lake Havasu on Sunday. I've never been on the Fun Run, but based on the |write-ups, and first hand accounts from past years, I think |JONATers will be |disappointed, if they miss Saturday in Kingman, too. | |It would be really good if we could add that day back in. | |I've asked Laura a few more questions about the schedule and accommodations |and I'll pass that along when I receive it. | |Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona |Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) |April 15 - July 4, 2004 |Visit the Pub for route discussions | From jonat@autox.team.net Fri May 23 00:52:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu May 22 23:52:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c320ee$c15e64c0$6400a8c0@jot> Handoff, Kayenta, 4/29 Overnight, Williams 4/30 Overnight, Kingman 5/1 Handoff, Lake Havasu City, 5/2 Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:59 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run > > > No problem Mark ... Its probably been that way from the > beginning (or, more > likely, I've screwed up somewhere). Please summarize for me > the dates and > stop locations for your Sector and I'll fix it up this weekend. > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > | > |I received this confirmation of the dates of the Route 66 Fun Run, > |below. We > |almost have it planned right. > | > |Here are some write-ups of this past year's events: > | > |http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/azcougarclub/Events/Rt66FunRun0 > |2/picture > |s_from_the_2002_route_66_.htm (Sorry, you'll probably have to > |piece that one > |together.) > | > |http://www.carsandpartscorvette.com/Features/042002/042002_rt66.asp > | > |http://www.cart66pf.org/66caravan/roadlog06.htm > | > |Here is a schedule of events from this year's event: > |http://www.route66giftshop.com/happenins.html > | > |Now that brings me to an important point. Someone has > changed the dates on > |the itinerary, I think. We are coming off a long run from Kayenta to > |Williams, especially when you consider that we'll probably > take a few hours > |at the Grand Canyon, perhaps even eat dinner there and make > a twilight run > |to Williams. A couple short drives would be nice, > particularly since there > |will be a lot to do on the Fun Run. I had originally planned for > |two days on > |the Fun Run because as you can see from the schedule, there are > |things to do > |along the road both Saturday and Sunday. Saturday is the big night in > |Kingman. > | > |Somehow that got changed (or I didn't notice it before) so that we > |are doing > |the entire run in one day. You'll probably lose a lot of us > (me, for one) > |who will stay overnight in Kingman and then head to the end > of the Fun Run > |and Lake Havasu on Sunday. I've never been on the Fun Run, > but based on the > |write-ups, and first hand accounts from past years, I think > |JONATers will be > |disappointed, if they miss Saturday in Kingman, too. > | > |It would be really good if we could add that day back in. > | > |I've asked Laura a few more questions about the schedule and > accommodations > |and I'll pass that along when I receive it. > | > |Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > |Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > |April 15 - July 4, 2004 > |Visit the Pub for route discussions > | > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 25 03:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sun May 25 02:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions Message-ID: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments vis-a-vis the outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. They may affect the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the US/Canada border. It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be back to normal by the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an eye on it and have contingency plans outlined. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 25 08:44:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun May 25 07:44:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <00b101c322c2$fd0b93a0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Good input Fazal. Jamie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: "jonat-EC/SC" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments vis-a-vis the > outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. They may affect > the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the US/Canada border. > > It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be back to normal by > the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an eye on it and have > contingency plans outlined. > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 25 10:45:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun May 25 09:45:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <00cf01c322d3$df75f7c0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> I also should mention that anyone thinking of crossing the Border between Canada and the USA should definitely have their up to date passport with them. Last weekend when Dru, myself and Greg & Diane Meboe went to Van Dusen, we almost couldn't get anyone except for myself back into the States. I was the only one who had "proof of citizenship" with me. It takes either a Passport or your Birth Certificate and a current piece of photo ID (drivers license). So make sure you prepare yourself and anyone traveling with you during the Tour if any of the Sectors you are traversing cross the Border. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: "jonat-EC/SC" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments vis-a-vis the > outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. They may affect > the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the US/Canada border. > > It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be back to normal by > the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an eye on it and have > contingency plans outlined. > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 25 11:07:00 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sun May 25 10:07:00 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions In-Reply-To: <00b101c322c2$fd0b93a0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001301c322d7$0a6c2b40$6400a8c0@jot> Don't you have to be carrying a cow either in whole or in parts (in some form other than leather seats) to be denied access? I know in GB, they canceled some parades and farm expositions, but they didn't quarantine people to their farms and counties, did they? Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:39 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > Good input Fazal. > > Jamie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fazal Cader" > To: "jonat-EC/SC" > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:04 AM > Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments > vis-a-vis the > > outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. > They may affect > > the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the > US/Canada border. > > > > It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be > back to normal > by > > the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an > eye on it and > have > > contingency plans outlined. > > > > Fazal Cader > > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 25 11:11:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Sun May 25 10:11:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <001301c322d7$0a6c2b40$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <001301c322d7$7abe22e0$6501a8c0@attbi.com> I don't know about the "cow" thing, but this had to do with just plain old "9/11" issues. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > Don't you have to be carrying a cow either in whole or in parts (in some > form other than leather seats) to be denied access? I know in GB, they > canceled some parades and farm expositions, but they didn't quarantine > people to their farms and counties, did they? > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > Visit the Pub for route discussions > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:39 AM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > > > Good input Fazal. > > > > Jamie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fazal Cader" > > To: "jonat-EC/SC" > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:04 AM > > Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > > > > It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments > > vis-a-vis the > > > outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. > > They may affect > > > the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the > > US/Canada border. > > > > > > It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be > > back to normal > > by > > > the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an > > eye on it and > > have > > > contingency plans outlined. > > > > > > Fazal Cader > > > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > > > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Sun May 25 23:32:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun May 25 22:32:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions In-Reply-To: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: OK ... here's what we do ... on our waiver form, we include something like this ... "No cows allowed as passengers or drivers (especially mad ones), raiding isolation wards in hospitals is strictly prohibited, and definitely no terrorists permitted on the Tour." That should do the trick ! :^) On a more serious side, the SC's should definitely able to answer questions on any issues such as this that might develop in their area. All too often the media gets hold of these things and creates a heightened awareness (politically correct term there) of these issues. Good point Fazal. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |Sent: May 25, 2003 2:04 AM | |It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments vis-a-vis the |outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. They may affect |the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the US/Canada border. | |It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be back to normal by |the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an eye on it and have |contingency plans outlined. | |Fazal Cader From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 03:34:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon May 26 02:34:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c32360$da696a40$6400a8c0@jot> In case you decide to bring that cow along, here's a simple test to determine if your cow has the disease. http://www.helsinki.fi/~pwilen/cow/muu.html I saw this probably three years ago, so if you've seen it, sorry. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:27 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > OK ... here's what we do ... on our waiver form, we include > something like > this ... > > "No cows allowed as passengers or drivers (especially mad > ones), raiding > isolation wards in hospitals is strictly prohibited, and definitely no > terrorists permitted on the Tour." > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 04:14:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon May 26 03:14:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <001301c322d7$0a6c2b40$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <001701c32366$19037840$bb148890@FAZAL> If any area adjacent to a proposed route is listed as a BSE area, I would expect you will find travel restrictions to prevent spread of disease. Lets err on the side of caution and be prepared to adjust the route away from any such area. I, personally, don't want ANY delays or hassles on my trip. Are we going near Toronto? :-) Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > Don't you have to be carrying a cow either in whole or in parts (in some > form other than leather seats) to be denied access? I know in GB, they > canceled some parades and farm expositions, but they didn't quarantine > people to their farms and counties, did they? > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > Visit the Pub for route discussions > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:39 AM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > > > Good input Fazal. > > > > Jamie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fazal Cader" > > To: "jonat-EC/SC" > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:04 AM > > Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > > > > It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments > > vis-a-vis the > > > outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. > > They may affect > > > the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the > > US/Canada border. > > > > > > It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be > > back to normal > > by > > > the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an > > eye on it and > > have > > > contingency plans outlined. > > > > > > Fazal Cader > > > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > > > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 09:30:04 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jeff Booth) Date: Mon May 26 08:30:04 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <001301c322d7$0a6c2b40$6400a8c0@jot> <001701c32366$19037840$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <008701c32392$74d32d60$f7028d18@busy2.on.cogeco.ca> > Are we going near Toronto? :-) Yes, the plan is to visit Toronto. Unless you go into specific hospital rooms or enter specifically isolated homes, there's nothing to worry about. The 5 million people who live in the Greater Toronto Area are still, happily, carrying on life as usual. Yes, SARS is dangerous. But pneumonia is killing many, many, many more people ... as it does in any developed and health-care-aware nation. Jeff Booth Oakville (20 miles west of Toronto) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > If any area adjacent to a proposed route is listed as a BSE area, I would > expect you will find travel restrictions to prevent spread of disease. Lets > err on the side of caution and be prepared to adjust the route away from any > such area. I, personally, don't want ANY delays or hassles on my trip. > Are we going near Toronto? :-) > > Fazal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:02 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > Don't you have to be carrying a cow either in whole or in parts (in some > > form other than leather seats) to be denied access? I know in GB, they > > canceled some parades and farm expositions, but they didn't quarantine > > people to their farms and counties, did they? > > > > Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona > > Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) > > April 15 - July 4, 2004 > > Visit the Pub for route discussions > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie - JONAT > > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:39 AM > > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > > > > > > Good input Fazal. > > > > > > Jamie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fazal Cader" > > > To: "jonat-EC/SC" > > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:04 AM > > > Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > > > > > > > It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments > > > vis-a-vis the > > > > outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. > > > They may affect > > > > the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the > > > US/Canada border. > > > > > > > > It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be > > > back to normal > > > by > > > > the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an > > > eye on it and > > > have > > > > contingency plans outlined. > > > > > > > > Fazal Cader > > > > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > > > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > > > > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > > www.jonat.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 10:06:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Mon May 26 09:06:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <000101c32360$da696a40$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <00ef01c32397$90bf5d00$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Thanks Mark. I for one, had not seen that before. It's really good to have some simple aids in helping identify the "good cow" from the "mad cow". I think you might want to think about forwarding that to the correct officials up there in Canada (if they do not already use this method). Jeff? Who would that be? I mean for Mark to forward this link to ... Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:28 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > In case you decide to bring that cow along, here's a simple test to > determine if your cow has the disease. > > http://www.helsinki.fi/~pwilen/cow/muu.html > > I saw this probably three years ago, so if you've seen it, sorry. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:27 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > OK ... here's what we do ... on our waiver form, we include > > something like > > this ... > > > > "No cows allowed as passengers or drivers (especially mad > > ones), raiding > > isolation wards in hospitals is strictly prohibited, and definitely no > > terrorists permitted on the Tour." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 12:05:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Mon May 26 11:05:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <3ED247CD.8020707@jonat.org> C'mon guys get serious. By next year BSe and SARS will be history-terrorism will not. It always pays to travel with photo ID and birth certificates or passport no matter where you go. It is probably easier to cross the US Canada border than any other border in the world (if you are Canadian or American and are not a felon or carrying a weapon). It would be prudent for sectors starting or ending at the border to offer entry tips AT THE TIME. Mike O'Brien Sector Coordinator Ottawa Sector Jaguar Owner's North American Tour-www.jonat.org Fazal Cader wrote: >It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments vis-a-vis the >outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. They may affect >the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the US/Canada border. > >It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be back to normal by >the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an eye on it and have >contingency plans outlined. > >Fazal Cader >Executive Committee, ISC - Australia >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org >April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 14:29:03 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Mon May 26 13:29:03 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions In-Reply-To: <3ED247CD.8020707@jonat.org> References: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> <3ED247CD.8020707@jonat.org> Message-ID: <1549.205.200.65.82.1053977025.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> >It is probably > easier to cross the US Canada border than any other border in the world > (if you are Canadian or American and are not a felon or carrying a > weapon). That's a common myth. It is actually one of the hardest western borders to cross. A few years ago I drove between various European countries in a Dutch car and it was far easier than crossing US/Canada even then. It is much worse now. I know of a case where the VP of a company I worked for, who often travelled between the Manitoba plant and the North Dakota plant and was well known to the guards, got refused entry because he had forgotten his passport that day. He had to go back and get it. And he did not get lippy with the guards. He is smart enough to know that does no good. Bring all the documentation you've got, check out the items that cannot be transported (leave those alligator skin cowboy boots and the Colt 45 behind), take off your sunglasses, turn off the radio, and make NO jokes or smalltalk when you meet the nice man at the border. If you do have any kind of record, no matter how old, either get a pardon or stay home. Keep all receipts handy, especially the first one you get after you cross the border, since it proves how long you were in the country. Alan Heartfield Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 17:23:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Mon May 26 16:23:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> <3ED247CD.8020707@jonat.org> <1549.205.200.65.82.1053977025.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> Message-ID: <3ED2924B.8020700@jonat.org> Alan is of course correct but it varies from crossing point to crossing point. I crossed at Detroit (along the JONAT route) two weeks ago with a drivers license (photo ID) and a birth certificate. One in our party had his birth certificate but forgot the photo ID. They checked him in the computer for any convictions, warned him to carry the ID in future and let us cross. The crossing points that will be of concern will be in Alan's sector and in the quebec sector (Daniel Thompson) enroute Stowe VT. Crossing into Canada (BC and Detroit) should not be too difficult. alan@heartfield.net wrote: >>It is probably >>easier to cross the US Canada border than any other border in the world >>(if you are Canadian or American and are not a felon or carrying a >>weapon). >> >> > >That's a common myth. It is actually one of the hardest western borders > >If you do have any >kind of record, no matter how old, either get a pardon or stay home. >Keep all receipts handy, especially the first one you get after you cross >the border, since it proves how long you were in the country. > >Alan Heartfield >Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >>www.jonat.org >>_______________________________________________ >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >www.jonat.org >_______________________________________________ > > > > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 23:36:36 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon May 26 22:36:36 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: <000601c320ee$c15e64c0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: I'm getting there! Have updated the maps on the webpages from Orlando to Los Angeles (Jerry, you're next!). Please check out the route for your sector if you are between Orlando and LA. http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm let me know of any errors or whatever. Also please also include in your review the dates and overnight locations in the itinerary at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf A couple of comments: - you will note I have had to shift the start date for the tour back a day so we can properly coordinate with the Arizona Route 66 Tour. - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your Sector. You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in order to add another day to your sector. (Note that this will mean everyone upstream will have their days moved back a day). On another note, I still have not had a chance to make the webpages a little quicker to load. I'll get there, but please be patient. [I got bitten but the bug again a few weeks ago and bought another British car (non Jaguar I'm afraid!) I've spent some time putzing with this rather than updating the information on the website :^( ] Bob England |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson |Sent: May 22, 2003 11:47 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run | | |Handoff, Kayenta, 4/29 |Overnight, Williams 4/30 |Overnight, Kingman 5/1 |Handoff, Lake Havasu City, 5/2 | |Mark | From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 23:44:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon May 26 22:44:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: Message-ID: <059401c32409$9c86ee60$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Bob, I plan to take the proposed Northern leg to see whether it will take too long -- within a month or so, I hope. I'll let you know if I have to change it. Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > I'm getting there! Have updated the maps on the webpages from Orlando to > Los Angeles (Jerry, you're next!). Please check out the route for your > sector if you are between Orlando and LA. > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm > let me know of any errors or whatever. > > Also please also include in your review the dates and overnight locations in > the itinerary at > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf > > A couple of comments: > > - you will note I have had to shift the start date for the tour back a day > so we can properly coordinate with the Arizona Route 66 Tour. > > - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your Sector. > You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in order to > add another day to your sector. (Note that this will mean everyone upstream > will have their days moved back a day). > > On another note, I still have not had a chance to make the webpages a little > quicker to load. I'll get there, but please be patient. [I got bitten but > the bug again a few weeks ago and bought another British car (non Jaguar I'm > afraid!) I've spent some time putzing with this rather than updating the > information on the website :^( ] > > Bob England > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson > |Sent: May 22, 2003 11:47 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run > | > | > |Handoff, Kayenta, 4/29 > |Overnight, Williams 4/30 > |Overnight, Kingman 5/1 > |Handoff, Lake Havasu City, 5/2 > | > |Mark > | > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon May 26 23:45:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ron Rader) Date: Mon May 26 22:45:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: Message-ID: <3ED2EDA6.6E490706@interworld.net> Bob: my sector looks good. I have booked the Petersen Automotive Museum for dinner on May 5th, Cinco de Mayo. Ron rader Los Angeles. Bob wrote: > I'm getting there! Have updated the maps on the webpages from Orlando to > Los Angeles (Jerry, you're next!). Please check out the route for your > sector if you are between Orlando and LA. > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm > let me know of any errors or whatever. > > Also please also include in your review the dates and overnight locations in > the itinerary at > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf > > A couple of comments: > > - you will note I have had to shift the start date for the tour back a day > so we can properly coordinate with the Arizona Route 66 Tour. > > - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your Sector. > You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in order to > add another day to your sector. (Note that this will mean everyone upstream > will have their days moved back a day). > > On another note, I still have not had a chance to make the webpages a little > quicker to load. I'll get there, but please be patient. [I got bitten but > the bug again a few weeks ago and bought another British car (non Jaguar I'm > afraid!) I've spent some time putzing with this rather than updating the > information on the website :^( ] > > Bob England > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson > |Sent: May 22, 2003 11:47 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run > | > | > |Handoff, Kayenta, 4/29 > |Overnight, Williams 4/30 > |Overnight, Kingman 5/1 > |Handoff, Lake Havasu City, 5/2 > | > |Mark > | > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 00:14:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon May 26 23:14:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: Message-ID: <05a701c3240d$ce773700$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Bob, On the SF leg, we won't go to Santa Rosa, we'll go to St Helena in Napa Valley instead. I have a detailed map of most segments on my DeLorme Topo program... Will that help? Jerry Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" > I'm getting there! Have updated the maps on the webpages from Orlando to > Los Angeles (Jerry, you're next!). Please check out the route for your > sector if you are between Orlando and LA. > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm > let me know of any errors or whatever. > > Also please also include in your review the dates and overnight locations in > the itinerary at > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf > > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 00:56:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon May 26 23:56:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c32413$fede35a0$6400a8c0@jot> Bob, On my segment, we'll be taking old Route 66 whenever possible, so some of the route that you have on I-40 prior to Seligman, will actually be on adjacent Route 66, which in many places is almost like a frontage road. So it really won't affect things too much. There is a long stretch of it between Ashfork and Seligman that runs a mile or two north of I-40. You can see it on your map of Day 2 (pg. 4). Also, you only have us spending 1 hour at one of the seven natural wonders of the world -- the Grand Canyon. I was thinking of spending most of the afternoon there, eating an early dinner, watching the sun set over the canyon (between 7:00 and 7:30), and making a twilight run under the stars to get us to Williams that would get us in there about 8:30 or 9:00. The sun will be setting about It should be about an hour drive. If a lot of you like the idea of a twilight run let me know. If a lot of you don't, let me know, too. We could leave earlier. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 9:31 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > > I'm getting there! Have updated the maps on the webpages > from Orlando to > Los Angeles (Jerry, you're next!). Please check out the > route for your > sector if you are between Orlando and LA. > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm > let me know of any errors or whatever. > > Also please also include in your review the dates and > overnight locations in > the itinerary at > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf > > A couple of comments: > > - you will note I have had to shift the start date for the > tour back a day > so we can properly coordinate with the Arizona Route 66 Tour. > > - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through > your Sector. > You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might > be in order to > add another day to your sector. (Note that this will mean > everyone upstream > will have their days moved back a day). > > On another note, I still have not had a chance to make the > webpages a little > quicker to load. I'll get there, but please be patient. [I > got bitten but > the bug again a few weeks ago and bought another British car > (non Jaguar I'm > afraid!) I've spent some time putzing with this rather than > updating the > information on the website :^( ] > > Bob England > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Mark > Stephenson > |Sent: May 22, 2003 11:47 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run > | > | > |Handoff, Kayenta, 4/29 > |Overnight, Williams 4/30 > |Overnight, Kingman 5/1 > |Handoff, Lake Havasu City, 5/2 > | > |Mark > | > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 05:47:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue May 27 04:47:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> <3ED247CD.8020707@jonat.org> <1549.205.200.65.82.1053977025.squirrel@www.heartfield.net> <3ED2924B.8020700@jonat.org> Message-ID: <005d01c3243c$3f816c30$bb148890@FAZAL> I wonder how I'll go, having a full Islamic name, Aussie passport issued in Sri Lanka? :-) Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike O'Brien" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > Alan is of course correct but it varies from crossing point to crossing > point. I crossed at Detroit (along the JONAT route) two weeks ago with a > drivers license (photo ID) and a birth certificate. One in our party had > his birth certificate but forgot the photo ID. They checked him in the > computer for any convictions, warned him to carry the ID in future and > let us cross. The crossing points that will be of concern will be in > Alan's sector and in the quebec sector (Daniel Thompson) enroute Stowe > VT. Crossing into Canada (BC and Detroit) should not be too difficult. > > alan@heartfield.net wrote: > > >>It is probably > >>easier to cross the US Canada border than any other border in the world > >>(if you are Canadian or American and are not a felon or carrying a > >>weapon). > >> > >> > > > >That's a common myth. It is actually one of the hardest western borders > > > >If you do have any > >kind of record, no matter how old, either get a pardon or stay home. > >Keep all receipts handy, especially the first one you get after you cross > >the border, since it proves how long you were in the country. > > > >Alan Heartfield > >Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator > > > > > > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > >>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > >>www.jonat.org > >>_______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > >www.jonat.org > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 05:47:09 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue May 27 04:47:09 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: <3ED2EDA6.6E490706@interworld.net> Message-ID: <006701c3243c$8c353200$bb148890@FAZAL> Excellent news. I hope Dr Greg can be there, the drinks he & Jamie owe me will be most welcome! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rader" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > Bob: > my sector looks good. I have booked the Petersen Automotive Museum for dinner on > May 5th, Cinco de Mayo. > Ron rader > Los Angeles. > > Bob wrote: > > > I'm getting there! Have updated the maps on the webpages from Orlando to > > Los Angeles (Jerry, you're next!). Please check out the route for your > > sector if you are between Orlando and LA. > > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm > > let me know of any errors or whatever. > > > > Also please also include in your review the dates and overnight locations in > > the itinerary at > > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf > > > > A couple of comments: > > > > - you will note I have had to shift the start date for the tour back a day > > so we can properly coordinate with the Arizona Route 66 Tour. > > > > - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your Sector. > > You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in order to > > add another day to your sector. (Note that this will mean everyone upstream > > will have their days moved back a day). > > > > On another note, I still have not had a chance to make the webpages a little > > quicker to load. I'll get there, but please be patient. [I got bitten but > > the bug again a few weeks ago and bought another British car (non Jaguar I'm > > afraid!) I've spent some time putzing with this rather than updating the > > information on the website :^( ] > > > > Bob England > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > > |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson > > |Sent: May 22, 2003 11:47 PM > > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run > > | > > | > > |Handoff, Kayenta, 4/29 > > |Overnight, Williams 4/30 > > |Overnight, Kingman 5/1 > > |Handoff, Lake Havasu City, 5/2 > > | > > |Mark > > | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 11:12:36 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Tue May 27 10:12:36 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: <3ED2EDA6.6E490706@interworld.net> <006701c3243c$8c353200$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <008d01c32469$d9212560$6501a8c0@attbi.com> Say what? Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > Excellent news. > I hope Dr Greg can be there, the drinks he & Jamie owe me will be most > welcome! > > Fazal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rader" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > > > Bob: > > my sector looks good. I have booked the Petersen Automotive Museum for > dinner on > > May 5th, Cinco de Mayo. > > Ron rader > > Los Angeles. > > > > Bob wrote: > > > > > I'm getting there! Have updated the maps on the webpages from Orlando > to > > > Los Angeles (Jerry, you're next!). Please check out the route for your > > > sector if you are between Orlando and LA. > > > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Maps-Main.htm > > > let me know of any errors or whatever. > > > > > > Also please also include in your review the dates and overnight > locations in > > > the itinerary at > > > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.pdf > > > > > > A couple of comments: > > > > > > - you will note I have had to shift the start date for the tour back a > day > > > so we can properly coordinate with the Arizona Route 66 Tour. > > > > > > - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your Sector. > > > You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in order > to > > > add another day to your sector. (Note that this will mean everyone > upstream > > > will have their days moved back a day). > > > > > > On another note, I still have not had a chance to make the webpages a > little > > > quicker to load. I'll get there, but please be patient. [I got bitten > but > > > the bug again a few weeks ago and bought another British car (non Jaguar > I'm > > > afraid!) I've spent some time putzing with this rather than updating > the > > > information on the website :^( ] > > > > > > Bob England > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > > > |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson > > > |Sent: May 22, 2003 11:47 PM > > > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > > > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: 2004 Fun Run > > > | > > > | > > > |Handoff, Kayenta, 4/29 > > > |Overnight, Williams 4/30 > > > |Overnight, Kingman 5/1 > > > |Handoff, Lake Havasu City, 5/2 > > > | > > > |Mark > > > | > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > > www.jonat.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 13:29:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Tue May 27 12:29:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions In-Reply-To: <005d01c3243c$3f816c30$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <000801c3247d$25c4eb00$6400a8c0@jot> We'll just say, "He's with us." :-) Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fazal Cader > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:39 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > I wonder how I'll go, having a full Islamic name, Aussie > passport issued in > Sri Lanka? :-) > > Fazal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike O'Brien" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions > > > > Alan is of course correct but it varies from crossing point > to crossing > > point. I crossed at Detroit (along the JONAT route) two > weeks ago with a > > drivers license (photo ID) and a birth certificate. One in > our party had > > his birth certificate but forgot the photo ID. They checked > him in the > > computer for any convictions, warned him to carry the ID in > future and > > let us cross. The crossing points that will be of concern will be in > > Alan's sector and in the quebec sector (Daniel Thompson) > enroute Stowe > > VT. Crossing into Canada (BC and Detroit) should not be too > difficult. > > > > alan@heartfield.net wrote: > > > > >>It is probably > > >>easier to cross the US Canada border than any other > border in the world > > >>(if you are Canadian or American and are not a felon or carrying a > > >>weapon). > > >> > > >> > > > > > >That's a common myth. It is actually one of the hardest > western borders > > > > > >If you do have any > > >kind of record, no matter how old, either get a pardon or > stay home. > > >Keep all receipts handy, especially the first one you get > after you cross > > >the border, since it proves how long you were in the country. > > > > > >Alan Heartfield > > >Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > >>REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > >>www.jonat.org > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > >REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > >www.jonat.org > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 20:17:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue May 27 19:17:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: <05a701c3240d$ce773700$6401a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: Jerry ... sure ... send me what you can ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Jerry Mouton |Sent: May 26, 2003 11:07 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates | | |Bob, | |On the SF leg, we won't go to Santa Rosa, we'll |go to St Helena in Napa Valley instead. I have a |detailed map of most segments on my DeLorme Topo |program... Will that help? | |Jerry | |Jerry Mouton "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" From jonat@autox.team.net Tue May 27 20:18:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue May 27 19:18:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: <000001c32413$fede35a0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: The twilight run sounds like a great idea to me ! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson |Sent: May 26, 2003 11:51 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates | | |Bob, | |On my segment, we'll be taking old Route 66 whenever possible, so some of |the route that you have on I-40 prior to Seligman, will actually be on |adjacent Route 66, which in many places is almost like a frontage road. So |it really won't affect things too much. There is a long stretch of it |between Ashfork and Seligman that runs a mile or two north of I-40. You can |see it on your map of Day 2 (pg. 4). Also, you only have us spending 1 hour |at one of the seven natural wonders of the world -- the Grand Canyon. I was |thinking of spending most of the afternoon there, eating an early dinner, |watching the sun set over the canyon (between 7:00 and 7:30), and making a |twilight run under the stars to get us to Williams that would get us in |there about 8:30 or 9:00. The sun will be setting about It should be about |an hour drive. | |If a lot of you like the idea of a twilight run let me know. If a |lot of you |don't, let me know, too. We could leave earlier. | |Mark From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 28 03:31:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Wed May 28 02:31:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c324f2$c361adb0$6400a8c0@jot> That makes two of us. Anyone else have a preference one way or the other? Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:13 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > > The twilight run sounds like a great idea to me ! > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Mark > Stephenson > |Sent: May 26, 2003 11:51 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > | > | > |Bob, > | > |On my segment, we'll be taking old Route 66 whenever > possible, so some of > |the route that you have on I-40 prior to Seligman, will > actually be on > |adjacent Route 66, which in many places is almost like a > frontage road. So > |it really won't affect things too much. There is a long stretch of it > |between Ashfork and Seligman that runs a mile or two north > of I-40. You can > |see it on your map of Day 2 (pg. 4). Also, you only have us > spending 1 hour > |at one of the seven natural wonders of the world -- the > Grand Canyon. I was > |thinking of spending most of the afternoon there, eating an > early dinner, > |watching the sun set over the canyon (between 7:00 and > 7:30), and making a > |twilight run under the stars to get us to Williams that > would get us in > |there about 8:30 or 9:00. The sun will be setting about It > should be about > |an hour drive. > | > |If a lot of you like the idea of a twilight run let me know. If a > |lot of you > |don't, let me know, too. We could leave earlier. > | > |Mark > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 28 05:00:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed May 28 04:00:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: <001901c324f2$c361adb0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <005c01c324ff$1d119da0$bb148890@FAZAL> Sounds good to me! Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > That makes two of us. Anyone else have a preference one way or the other? > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:13 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > > > > > The twilight run sounds like a great idea to me ! > > > > Bob England > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > > Route Coordinator > > http://www.jonat.org > > > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > > |Behalf Of Mark > > Stephenson > > |Sent: May 26, 2003 11:51 PM > > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > | > > | > > |Bob, > > | > > |On my segment, we'll be taking old Route 66 whenever > > possible, so some of > > |the route that you have on I-40 prior to Seligman, will > > actually be on > > |adjacent Route 66, which in many places is almost like a > > frontage road. So > > |it really won't affect things too much. There is a long stretch of it > > |between Ashfork and Seligman that runs a mile or two north > > of I-40. You can > > |see it on your map of Day 2 (pg. 4). Also, you only have us > > spending 1 hour > > |at one of the seven natural wonders of the world -- the > > Grand Canyon. I was > > |thinking of spending most of the afternoon there, eating an > > early dinner, > > |watching the sun set over the canyon (between 7:00 and > > 7:30), and making a > > |twilight run under the stars to get us to Williams that > > would get us in > > |there about 8:30 or 9:00. The sun will be setting about It > > should be about > > |an hour drive. > > | > > |If a lot of you like the idea of a twilight run let me know. If a > > |lot of you > > |don't, let me know, too. We could leave earlier. > > | > > |Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 28 14:50:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Wed May 28 13:50:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates Message-ID: <25.39752be2.2c066b96@aol.com> --part1_25.39752be2.2c066b96_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been robbed! I lost a day in your last revision, between the May 9 and May 26 revisions. You're absolutely right about long days, and I was looking forward to=20 spreading out the Sector. At the moment my route sub-sections are: Golden (Denver) to Georgetown Georgetown to Leadville Leadville to Gunnison Gunnison to Montrose Montrose to Durango Durango to Kayenta These total 546 miles, which MapQuest estimates as taking 14 hours. =20 There is NO allowance built in for stopping for sightseeing or meals. I really need, as you suspect, three days from the time we leave Denver. =20 This would still average 180 miles/five hours travel per day. If an averag= e of=20 36 mph seems slow, remember that we are crossing the Continental Divide thre= e=20 times, and traveling two lane roads almost all the way. There are six=20 mountain passes over 10,000 feet on the route. We aren't in Kansas, anymor= e=20 (really!) My current thinking is that I would LIKE to have overnights in Golden,=20 Gunnison, and Mesa Verde N.P. Mesa Verde is a half hour west of Durango, a= nd a=20 major historical site. I can see us staying at the lodge insdie the park,=20= and=20 taking a 3 hour guided tour before lunch, then on to Four Corners and Kayent= a.=20 --=20 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org In a message dated 5/26/03 10:32:06 PM, engl@jonat.org writes: >=20 > - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your Sector. > You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in order t= o > add another day to your sector.=A0 (Note that this will mean everyone upst= ream > will have their days moved back a day). >=20 --part1_25.39752be2.2c066b96_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been robbed!

I lost a day in your last revision, between the May 9 and May 26 revisions.<= BR>
You're absolutely right about long days, and I was looking forward to spread= ing out the Sector.

At the moment my route sub-sections are:
Golden (Denver) to Georgetown
Georgetown to Leadville
Leadville to Gunnison
Gunnison to Montrose
Montrose to Durango
Durango to Kayenta

These total 546 miles, which MapQuest estimates as taking 14 hours.  <= BR> There is NO allowance built in for stopping for sightseeing or meals.
I really need, as you suspect, three days from the time we leave Denver.&nbs= p; This would still average 180 miles/five hours travel per day.  If=20= an average of 36 mph seems slow, remember that we are crossing the Continent= al Divide three times, and traveling two lane roads almost all the way. = ; There are six mountain passes over 10,000 feet on the route.  We ar= en't in Kansas, anymore (really!)

My current thinking is that I would LIKE to have overnights in Golden, Gunni= son, and Mesa Verde N.P.  Mesa Verde is a half hour west of Durango, a= nd a major historical site.  I can see us staying at the lodge insdie=20= the park, and taking a 3 hour guided tour before lunch, then on to Four Corn= ers and Kayenta.

--

Robert MacLeay  -  Denver, CO
1990 VDP Majestic
Colorado Sector Coordinator
Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004  -  http://jonat.org

In a message dated 5/26/03 10:32:06 PM, engl@jonat.org writes:

- Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your Sector.
You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in order to<= BR> add another day to your sector.=A0 (Note that this will mean everyone upstre= am
will have their days moved back a day).



 --part1_25.39752be2.2c066b96_boundary-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 28 19:22:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed May 28 18:22:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: <25.39752be2.2c066b96@aol.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C32545.52869A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert No intent a robbery intended! I was going by the latest map we had discussed a month or two ago, and finally updated the spreadsheet itinerary. I'd obviously better keep the maps and itinerary up to date. Sorry for the screw up! I've updated the map AND itinerary. Check them out and see if I have it right THIS time. Also, your Garden City to Golden leg is a bit long - do you want to shorten (no Oklahoma Coordinator yet so you have this flexibility) this leg or add a day for a stop? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RMac@aol.com Sent: May 28, 2003 1:44 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates I've been robbed! I lost a day in your last revision, between the May 9 and May 26 revisions. You're absolutely right about long days, and I was looking forward to spreading out the Sector. At the moment my route sub-sections are: Golden (Denver) to Georgetown Georgetown to Leadville Leadville to Gunnison Gunnison to Montrose Montrose to Durango Durango to Kayenta These total 546 miles, which MapQuest estimates as taking 14 hours. There is NO allowance built in for stopping for sightseeing or meals. I really need, as you suspect, three days from the time we leave Denver. This would still average 180 miles/five hours travel per day. If an average of 36 mph seems slow, remember that we are crossing the Continental Divide three times, and traveling two lane roads almost all the way. There are six mountain passes over 10,000 feet on the route. We aren't in Kansas, anymore (really!) My current thinking is that I would LIKE to have overnights in Golden, Gunnison, and Mesa Verde N.P. Mesa Verde is a half hour west of Durango, and a major historical site. I can see us staying at the lodge insdie the park, and taking a 3 hour guided tour before lunch, then on to Four Corners and Kayenta. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C32545.52869A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Robert
 
No = intent a=20 robbery intended!  I was going by the latest map we had discussed a = month=20 or two ago, and finally updated the spreadsheet itinerary.  I'd = obviously=20 better keep the maps and itinerary up to date.  Sorry for the screw = up!
 
I've updated the=20 map AND itinerary.  Check them out and see if I have it right THIS=20 time.  Also, your Garden City to Golden leg is a bit long - do you = want to=20 shorten (no Oklahoma Coordinator yet so you have this flexibility) this = leg or=20 add a day for a stop?
 
Bob = England
'69=20 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour = (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of=20 RMac@aol.com
Sent: May 28, 2003 1:44 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map=20 Updates

I've been robbed!

I = lost a day in=20 your last revision, between the May 9 and May 26 = revisions.

You're=20 absolutely right about long days, and I was looking forward to = spreading out=20 the Sector.

At the moment my route sub-sections are:
Golden = (Denver)=20 to Georgetown
Georgetown to Leadville
Leadville to = Gunnison
Gunnison=20 to Montrose
Montrose to Durango
Durango to Kayenta

These = total=20 546 miles, which MapQuest estimates as taking 14 hours.  =
There is NO=20 allowance built in for stopping for sightseeing or meals.
I really = need, as=20 you suspect, three days from the time we leave Denver.  This = would still=20 average 180 miles/five hours travel per day.  If an average of 36 = mph=20 seems slow, remember that we are crossing the Continental Divide three = times,=20 and traveling two lane roads almost all the way.  There are six = mountain=20 passes over 10,000 feet on the route.  We aren't in Kansas, = anymore=20 (really!)

My current thinking is that I would LIKE to have = overnights=20 in Golden, Gunnison, and Mesa Verde N.P.  Mesa Verde is a half = hour west=20 of Durango, and a major historical site.  I can see us staying at = the=20 lodge insdie the park, and taking a 3 hour guided tour before lunch, = then on=20 to Four Corners and Kayenta.
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C32545.52869A30-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 28 19:42:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed May 28 18:42:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: <000001c32413$fede35a0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: Mark Per my off-line e-mail of a few minutes ago, I have updated the map as you wanted. I also have added an extended stop at the Grand Canyon. Please review and let me know. Doing these maps is sure getting the juices flowing. As the details of everyone's sector routes are coming in, the Tour sounds fantastic ! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mark Stephenson |Sent: May 26, 2003 11:51 PM |To: jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates | | |Bob, | |On my segment, we'll be taking old Route 66 whenever possible, so some of |the route that you have on I-40 prior to Seligman, will actually be on |adjacent Route 66, which in many places is almost like a frontage road. So |it really won't affect things too much. There is a long stretch of it |between Ashfork and Seligman that runs a mile or two north of I-40. You can |see it on your map of Day 2 (pg. 4). Also, you only have us spending 1 hour |at one of the seven natural wonders of the world -- the Grand Canyon. I was |thinking of spending most of the afternoon there, eating an early dinner, |watching the sun set over the canyon (between 7:00 and 7:30), and making a |twilight run under the stars to get us to Williams that would get us in |there about 8:30 or 9:00. The sun will be setting about It should be about |an hour drive. | |If a lot of you like the idea of a twilight run let me know. If a |lot of you |don't, let me know, too. We could leave earlier. | |Mark From jonat@autox.team.net Wed May 28 22:38:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Wed May 28 21:38:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: <25.39752be2.2c066b96@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c32592$d4bfd320$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C32560.89D917E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RMac@aol.com=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates I've been robbed! I lost a day in your last revision, between the May 9 and May 26 = revisions. You're absolutely right about long days, and I was looking forward to = spreading out the Sector. At the moment my route sub-sections are: Golden (Denver) to Georgetown Georgetown to Leadville Leadville to Gunnison Gunnison to Montrose Montrose to Durango Durango to Kayenta These total 546 miles, which MapQuest estimates as taking 14 hours. =20 There is NO allowance built in for stopping for sightseeing or meals. I really need, as you suspect, three days from the time we leave = Denver. This would still average 180 miles/five hours travel per day. = If an average of 36 mph seems slow, remember that we are crossing the = Continental Divide three times, and traveling two lane roads almost all = the way. There are six mountain passes over 10,000 feet on the route. = We aren't in Kansas, anymore (really!) My current thinking is that I would LIKE to have overnights in Golden, = Gunnison, and Mesa Verde N.P. Mesa Verde is a half hour west of = Durango, and a major historical site. I can see us staying at the lodge = insdie the park, and taking a 3 hour guided tour before lunch, then on = to Four Corners and Kayenta.=20 --=20 Robert MacLeay - Denver, CO 1990 VDP Majestic Colorado Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owners North American Tour 2004 - http://jonat.org In a message dated 5/26/03 10:32:06 PM, engl@jonat.org writes: - Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing through your = Sector. You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it might be in = order to add another day to your sector. (Note that this will mean everyone = upstream will have their days moved back a day). ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C32560.89D917E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RMac@aol.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 = 1:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector Map = Updates

I've been robbed!

I lost a day in your = last=20 revision, between the May 9 and May 26 revisions.

You're = absolutely=20 right about long days, and I was looking forward to spreading out the=20 Sector.

At the moment my route sub-sections are:
Golden = (Denver) to=20 Georgetown
Georgetown to Leadville
Leadville to = Gunnison
Gunnison to=20 Montrose
Montrose to Durango
Durango to Kayenta

These = total 546=20 miles, which MapQuest estimates as taking 14 hours. 
There is = NO=20 allowance built in for stopping for sightseeing or meals.
I really = need, as=20 you suspect, three days from the time we leave Denver.  This = would still=20 average 180 miles/five hours travel per day.  If an average of 36 = mph=20 seems slow, remember that we are crossing the Continental Divide three = times,=20 and traveling two lane roads almost all the way.  There are six = mountain=20 passes over 10,000 feet on the route.  We aren't in Kansas, = anymore=20 (really!)

My current thinking is that I would LIKE to have = overnights=20 in Golden, Gunnison, and Mesa Verde N.P.  Mesa Verde is a half = hour west=20 of Durango, and a major historical site.  I can see us staying at = the=20 lodge insdie the park, and taking a 3 hour guided tour before lunch, = then on=20 to Four Corners and Kayenta.

--

Robert MacLeay  = - =20 Denver, CO
1990 VDP Majestic
Colorado Sector = Coordinator
Jaguar=20 Owners North American Tour 2004  -  = http://jonat.org

In a=20 message dated 5/26/03 10:32:06 PM, engl@jonat.org writes:

- Robert, I'd like you to take a look at the timing = through your=20 Sector.
You've got three quite long days there, and perhaps it = might be=20 in order to
add another day to your sector.  (Note that this = will=20 mean everyone upstream
will have their days moved back a=20 day).



 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C32560.89D917E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 29 01:37:02 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu May 29 00:37:02 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c325ab$ef160960$6400a8c0@jot> I'm glad you are maintaining the enthusiasm. That's the hardest part of planning something this far in advance. Mark Stephenson, Sector Coordinator - Arizona Jaguar Owners North American Tour (www.jonat.org) April 15 - July 4, 2004 Visit the Pub for route discussions > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:37 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > > Mark > > Per my off-line e-mail of a few minutes ago, I have updated > the map as you > wanted. I also have added an extended stop at the Grand > Canyon. Please > review and let me know. > > Doing these maps is sure getting the juices flowing. As the > details of > everyone's sector routes are coming in, the Tour sounds fantastic ! > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > |Behalf Of Mark > Stephenson > |Sent: May 26, 2003 11:51 PM > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > | > | > |Bob, > | > |On my segment, we'll be taking old Route 66 whenever > possible, so some of > |the route that you have on I-40 prior to Seligman, will > actually be on > |adjacent Route 66, which in many places is almost like a > frontage road. So > |it really won't affect things too much. There is a long stretch of it > |between Ashfork and Seligman that runs a mile or two north > of I-40. You can > |see it on your map of Day 2 (pg. 4). Also, you only have us > spending 1 hour > |at one of the seven natural wonders of the world -- the > Grand Canyon. I was > |thinking of spending most of the afternoon there, eating an > early dinner, > |watching the sun set over the canyon (between 7:00 and > 7:30), and making a > |twilight run under the stars to get us to Williams that > would get us in > |there about 8:30 or 9:00. The sun will be setting about It > should be about > |an hour drive. > | > |If a lot of you like the idea of a twilight run let me know. If a > |lot of you > |don't, let me know, too. We could leave earlier. > | > |Mark > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 29 06:05:18 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jamie - JONAT) Date: Thu May 29 05:05:18 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: <001901c324f2$c361adb0$6400a8c0@jot> Message-ID: <000f01c325d1$372574a0$6601a8c0@attbi.com> Sounds good to me too. Jamie Duffey - Everett, WA 88 Series III V12 VdP - Roxanne Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > That makes two of us. Anyone else have a preference one way or the other? > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:13 PM > > To: jonat@autox.team.net > > Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > > > > > The twilight run sounds like a great idea to me ! > > > > Bob England > > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > > Route Coordinator > > http://www.jonat.org > > > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > > |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net > > [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > > |Behalf Of Mark > > Stephenson > > |Sent: May 26, 2003 11:51 PM > > |To: jonat@autox.team.net > > |Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates > > | > > | > > |Bob, > > | > > |On my segment, we'll be taking old Route 66 whenever > > possible, so some of > > |the route that you have on I-40 prior to Seligman, will > > actually be on > > |adjacent Route 66, which in many places is almost like a > > frontage road. So > > |it really won't affect things too much. There is a long stretch of it > > |between Ashfork and Seligman that runs a mile or two north > > of I-40. You can > > |see it on your map of Day 2 (pg. 4). Also, you only have us > > spending 1 hour > > |at one of the seven natural wonders of the world -- the > > Grand Canyon. I was > > |thinking of spending most of the afternoon there, eating an > > early dinner, > > |watching the sun set over the canyon (between 7:00 and > > 7:30), and making a > > |twilight run under the stars to get us to Williams that > > would get us in > > |there about 8:30 or 9:00. The sun will be setting about It > > should be about > > |an hour drive. > > | > > |If a lot of you like the idea of a twilight run let me know. If a > > |lot of you > > |don't, let me know, too. We could leave earlier. > > | > > |Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 29 10:17:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Thu May 29 09:17:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] How firm are the dates now? Message-ID: <3ED622BC.80900@jonat.org> Hi Bob I am just looking at the current schedule and wondering how firm the dates are. The itinerary calls for the tour arriving in Ottawa on Sunday June 13. This time of year is normally scheduled for our concourse which is held in the Museum of Science and Technology on a saturday but could perhaps be slipped to sunday. If I were to consolidate our sector by making the drive to kinsgton for lunch and ottawa for late afternoon on saturday the concourse may be available on Sunday and a down day to explore (back into the rideau river area/into the gatineau etc on Monday. I don't want to even attempt this if there is a chance that we might be pushed forward a day due to events behind us. Comments? Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 29 15:10:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Thu May 29 14:10:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions References: <000001c32294$9ed99670$bb148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <017301c3261c$6b3c2770$77214518@LaptopG> Fazal: both of these are absolute non-issues! One cow (still being investigated); This is not "hoof and mouth" disease. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it. It is transmitted in the feed of ruminant animals. This is not like the outbreak in Britain in which fields had to be closed and people were discouraged from moving about the open country. Totally different. SARS? again, overplayed. Confined to Toronto; unless you plan to spend time in a hospital, a non-issue. Besides we are a full years away from this. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fazal Cader" To: "jonat-EC/SC" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:04 AM Subject: [JONAT] Possible Travel Restrictions : It might be a good idea if we keep an eye on developments vis-a-vis the : outbreak of Mad Cow Disease and the ongoing SARS problem. They may affect : the ability of the Tour to easily cross & re-cross the US/Canada border. : : It is early days yet and everything will, most likely, be back to normal by : the end of the year but the relevant SC's should keep an eye on it and have : contingency plans outlined. : : Fazal Cader : Executive Committee, ISC - Australia : Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org : April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 : : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Thu May 29 22:12:01 2003 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu May 29 21:12:01 2003 Subject: [JONAT] How firm are the dates now? In-Reply-To: <3ED622BC.80900@jonat.org> Message-ID: Mike I'd say its tough to tell. Some of the SC's have not had a chance to finalize the timing in their sector, and some sectors do not have an SC yet. I'd say hold this thought ... All SC's who have not confirmed their route with me, PLEASE do so as soon as possible. Note, the timing is the key here, and not the route itself. Setting a preliminary route WILL, however, serve to help in planning the timing through the sector. Any suggestions for individuals to contact for the missing SCs (see blank boxes at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_MAP.htm ) would be greatly appreciated. I've been making some contacts out there, but have more yet to make. The biggest holes are in the northern, eastern, and south-eastern US. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org |-----Original Message----- |From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On |Behalf Of Mike O'Brien |Sent: May 29, 2003 9:10 AM |To: Bob |Cc: Phil Karam; jonat@autox.team.net |Subject: [JONAT] How firm are the dates now? | | |Hi Bob I am just looking at the current schedule and wondering how firm |the dates are. The itinerary calls for the tour arriving in Ottawa on |Sunday June 13. This time of year is normally scheduled for our |concourse which is held in the Museum of Science and Technology on a |saturday but could perhaps be slipped to sunday. If I were to |consolidate our sector by making the drive to kinsgton for lunch and |ottawa for late afternoon on saturday the concourse may be available on |Sunday and a down day to explore (back into the rideau river area/into |the gatineau etc on Monday. I don't want to even attempt this if there |is a chance that we might be pushed forward a day due to events behind us. | |Comments? | |Mike O'Brien