[JONAT] That pesky $45 tour fee...

[Jerry Mouton]

Bob,

I think as low as possible is good -- and realistically, $50.00
is not too much -- $20.00 is much better -- if the entrant can
see the value.  So I think whatever the fee is, it should be
clearly explained and justified as to what it's being spent on.
Certainly the SCs should all feel good about the amount and
the reasons.

I feel that some kind of placard or badge to identify the cars -- 
for all participants, included in the fee -- is pretty much mandatory
if this is going to be a real event.  Beyond that -- what else is there?

Do you have an estimate for a placard?  There should be somebody
in one of the $$$ rallies who knows how much their placards cost,
and where they got them.  We should be careful to get something that
can easily and reliably attach to all the cars in the event.  E Types,
for one, don't have much to mount badges to without drilling -- and I
ain't drilling!  Magnetics are a problem for some restored cars,
and they don't work through high-build primer.  Not sure what, but
it needs to be good.  Static cling, or removable stickies...
Door placard possibly.  Other Rallies' participants have experience?

Any expenses you see beyond a placard?

Jerry

Jerry Mouton    '64 E Type FHC    "Laissez les bons temps rouler!"
      Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
      April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <engl@accesscomm.ca>
To: <jonat@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] That pesky $45 tour fee...


> Mark
>
> You and Bob both have some very good points, and one's that we really need
> to consider.  I guess I had been thinking from a personal standpoint that
> $50us ($70cdn) would be a pretty small cost for a Tour that will cost much
> more than this once you roll gas/meals/lodging into it, but perhaps I
should
> be thinking about the single sector participant.
>
> If we have a minimum fee, of say $20 for the Tour or less, it would be a
bit
> more palatable (basically to cover the cost of a good "rally badge" for
the
> front of the cars to identify participants).  This would be a nice
souvenir
> collectors item, and you'd probably have to be a real cheapskate not to
fork
> over the $20.  Any other costs (i.e. shipping, etc.) would have to be
borne
> by donations, either by one of us or by an outside group.
>
> Zero, of course would be better, but if we have say 500 individual
> participants, and a $20 badge cost, that's $10,000us.  Can we raise this?
> We'd need a fundraising guy to come up with this in pretty short order.
> (Volunteers?)
>
> I personally think $0 is not the right number.  I have learnt over the
years
> that people tend to put the value on an item in relation to what it costs
> them (and I don't necessarily mean money).  I'd rather see some fee, a
> reasonable fee, that will not scare too many people away.
>
> I guess the basic questions are:
> Is $50 the right amount, or will we loose the participants.
> Is $20 the right amount, or will some still be scared away.
> Is $0 the right amount.
>
> Comments?
>
> Bob England
> '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
> Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
> Route Coordinator
> http://www.jonat.org <http://www.jonat.org/>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
> Sent: February 8, 2004 10:04 PM
> To: jonat@autox.team.net
> Subject: [JONAT] That pesky $45 tour fee...
>
>
> Continued from my registration form comments...
>
> I know some people are struggling with the $45 tour fee.
>
> Now, as I think about it, here is where the $45 registration fee becomes
> an issue. I expect there will be three from my vicinity doing more than
> one sector. I'm guessing six (including the three) will run our complete
> sector. I'm hoping for 20-25 cars to meet us either at the Grand Canyon
> or Williams. Here's the rub: We have roughly a $45 Fun Run cost and
> about $12/car to get into the Grand Canyon in addition to the $45 to
> register for the tour. So, we have $90 or over $100 just in fees for a
> long weekend, most of which is organized by the Rt. 66 Fun Run folks. If
> we weren't joining an extant tour for half my sector, it might not be as
> much of an issue, but normally if anyone in our club organizes a drive
> for club members, there's no charge beyond the expenses of the drive.
>
> I have the feeling that the extra $45 will cut my turnout quite a bit,
> especially since we have the British Euro Auto Tour weekend two weeks
> prior. A lot of our club members participate in that. It only costs $50
> and it includes breakfast, lunch, and an afternoon snack on Saturday.
>
> So, since I'm setting this up as much for our local club as I am for
> JONAT, I'm going to give local club members who are only taking my
> segment or less the option of paying the JONAT fee. If they want the
> JONAT goodies, they can pay the fee and register on-line. I'll encourage
> them to do that, but if they don't want the JONAT stuff and the $45 will
> make a difference if they join or stay home, I'll have them take my
> sector or part sector as a club drive. Unless you have some really good
> stuff for the $45, I expect that most of the Fun Run group will not pay
> the JONAT fee.
>
> Are other SCs are considering something similar? If so, JONAT won't
> appear as successful as it will actually be. There probably isn't any
> way to track this, but here is my suggestion.
>
> The $45 fee should be mandatory for anyone doing more than one sector.
>
> If an SC is setting up the route as both a JONAT and a club activity,
> the SC has the option of allowing other members of a local club of which
> he is a member to participate under the auspices of a club activity for
> that one sector only.
>
> If the SC's local club's members don't pay the tour fee, they don't
> receive any JONAT goodies.
>
> If a participant registers through the website, they must pay the $45.
> Members of the SC's local club who choose not to pay the $45 fee can not
> register through the website. The SC will enter those individuals on the
> JONAT website and inform them that they are taking part in a club
> activity that coincides with JONAT, but are not actually part of the
> JONAT. By listing them on the website, the SC is only informing JONAT
> that these individuals are members of his local club and will be
> present, but not as JONAT participants.
>
> Note: "Club" as used above, is any local motoring club of which the SC
> may be a member. The trip is still limited to Jaguars, except in the
> circumstances we discussed earlier, which I think we agreed was last
> minute breakdown or other unforeseen calamity.
>
> Does that make sense to everyone? Is it a good idea?
>
> The advantage of this setup is that we'll have a complete head count for
> two years from now. We'll be able to say that "x" number of people
> joined the tour (Clintonesque word parsing, I know, splitting hairs even
> though they weren't technically JONAT participants.)
>
> Mark - AZ
>
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