[JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping

Dr Gregory Andrachuk jonat@autox.team.net
Wed Feb 25 13:34:01 2004


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I second what Dave has said, judging from the (little) interest we have =
been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am really having =
trouble with the administrative complications of fees. I doubt that many =
SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the present =
(planned) fee, fee collection, package distribution arrangement were =
known ahead of time. As a SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set =
up, I will be spending a good deal of time on administration. Obviously, =
at this late date, I will continue as planned. But I still have trouble =
with the whole issue of fees. Is it just my age that makes me seem =
cranky about this? For the record, I dislike being negative about =
anything, so even having to express these very strong reservations makes =
me uncomfortable.
                                        Gregory
                   =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: D & B Cooke=20
  To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
  Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping



        While I understand that there are various costs involved with =
JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs are not really =
apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides that he would like =
to support his Club and other Jag enthusiasts by participating in JONAT =
events, which are on a "user pay" basis, is required to pay $47 Cdn in =
exchange for a JONAT license plate.  I tell you that this=20
        will be a very tough sell.  And speaking frankly, I can also =
tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't participate.  =
JONAT doesn't offer anything except a license plaque and an opportunity =
to meet with other Jag owners - I can get that through my local club. =
Why would I pay $47?? Am I missing something here???

        Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van Dusen ABFM =
fee which is levied against all entrants to the tune of $35. Charging =
this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an entertainer to perform =
in front of the audience from whom they have charged admission as well.  =
Reportedly the ABFM is Van Dusen Garden's busiest day.  Without the =
British Cars at Van Dusen Gardens would Van Dusen draw such a crowd? - =
and yet we, "the performers", are charged an entry fee!! Something is =
wrong!  It is like paying extra for a trendy jacket that has a Nike logo =
on it  so that you can have the "priviledge" of advertising for that =
company.  Nike should cut the prices of their jackets in exchange for =
you being a walking advertisement.

        Thank you ....Rant over.   And yes, I will pay the $47 and I'll =
probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" in the years to come. But =
don't be surprised if there is little local interest in JONAT=20

        Dave Cooke
        Assistant Sector Coordinator
        Victoria Vancouver Sector
        www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van
         =20

             =20
        =20
        -------Original Message-------

        From: jonat@autox.team.net
        Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM
        To: jonat@autox.team.net
        Subject: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping

        Hello,
        I spoke with Bob earlier and discussed a different fee structure =
for late-payers. Please let me know your thoughts.

        All participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their sector =
start) would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US or =
$47CAN). Their numbered plate and registration pack would be included in =
the bulk shipment that Regina sends out to their SC (12 days before =
their sector start).=20

        A person who pays late (less than 15 days before their sector =
start) would still register on the website, but would not send payment =
to Regina. Instead, they would pay their SC when they met up with the =
tour. At that time, the SC would hand them a numbered plate and =
registration pack. A late fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed =
further below). The SC would forward these registration payments and =
late fees to Regina.

        A person who spontaneously decides to join the tour as it is =
passing through their area would pay the same registration cost and late =
fee as the late payers, but would not necessarily register on the =
website, instead they would fill out a blank registration form carried =
by the SC's. The SC would forward these registration forms, payments, =
and late fees to Regina.=20

        ***************************************
        Included in the regularly-scheduled bulk shipment to the SC =
would be the following:
        A. Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid participants =
joining in the sector
        B. Extra Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the sector

        The cost of the late fee is calculated as follows:=20
        If an SC runs out of Extra Registration packs during a sector, =
he would request an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 =
complete registration packs) from Regina that would be delivered =
overnight to an upcoming hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or =
so to receive their plate and registration pack. The cost of express =
shipping 10 registration packs to the SC is estimated at $80 US, or $8 =
per registration pack.

        Only in cases where the SC runs out of registration packs will =
Regina incur the cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, the =
late fee is all profit for Jonat. I mean the charity.

        The $8 late fee would serve as a small incentive to encourage =
early registrations, and not act as too big of a roadblock to =
late-comers or spontaneous participants.

        What do you all think?

        http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm shows the simplified =
explanation that drivers will see after they first register for the =
tour.

        =20

        The registration form is done. You can see the new form by =
viewing your profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right =
hand section of the main page. http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm It =
shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those that you will =
be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector attendance list =
that the SC's will be able to print out, thereby knowing who is =
scheduled to join their sector, and their payment status.

        Greg
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I second what Dave has said, judging from the =
(little)=20
interest we have been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am =
really=20
having trouble with the administrative complications of fees. I doubt =
that many=20
SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the present =
(planned) fee,=20
fee collection, package distribution arrangement were known ahead of =
time. As a=20
SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set up, I will be spending a =
good deal=20
of time on administration. Obviously, at this late date, I will continue =
as=20
planned. But I still have trouble with the whole issue of fees. Is it =
just my=20
age that makes me seem cranky about this? For the record, I dislike =
being=20
negative about anything, so even having to express these very strong=20
reservations makes me uncomfortable.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddbcooke@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:dbcooke@shaw.ca">D &amp; B =
Cooke</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 25, =
2004 10:10=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] Driver's =
Fee plus=20
  late fee for express shipping</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>While I understand that there are&nbsp;various costs =
involved with=20
        JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs are not =
really=20
        apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides that he =
would like=20
        to support his&nbsp;Club and other Jag enthusiasts by =
participating in=20
        JONAT events, which are&nbsp;on a "user pay" basis, is required =
to pay=20
        $47 Cdn in exchange for a JONAT license plate.&nbsp; I tell you =
that=20
        this </DIV>
        <DIV>will be a very tough sell.&nbsp; And speaking frankly, I =
can also=20
        tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't=20
        participate.&nbsp; JONAT doesn't offer anything except a license =
plaque=20
        and an opportunity to meet with other Jag owners - I can get =
that=20
        through my local club. Why would I pay $47??&nbsp;Am I missing =
something=20
        here???</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van Dusen =
ABFM fee=20
        which is levied against all&nbsp;entrants to the tune of $35. =
Charging=20
        this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an entertainer to =
perform=20
        in front of the audience&nbsp;from whom they have&nbsp;charged =
admission=20
        as well.&nbsp; Reportedly the ABFM is Van Dusen Garden's busiest =
day.=20
        &nbsp;Without the British Cars at Van Dusen Gardens would Van =
Dusen draw=20
        such a crowd? - and yet&nbsp;we, "the performers", are charged =
an entry=20
        fee!! Something is wrong!&nbsp; It is like paying extra for a =
trendy=20
        jacket that has a Nike logo on it&nbsp; so that you can have the =

        "priviledge" of advertising for that company.&nbsp; Nike should =
cut the=20
        prices of their jackets in exchange for you being a walking=20
        advertisement.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Thank you ....Rant over.&nbsp;&nbsp; And yes, I will pay =
the $47=20
        and I'll probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" in the =
years to=20
        come. But don't be surprised if there is little local interest =
in JONAT=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Dave Cooke</DIV>
        <DIV>Assistant Sector Coordinator</DIV>
        <DIV>Victoria Vancouver Sector</DIV>
        <DIV><A=20
        =
href=3D"http://www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van">www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van</=
A></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> =
Tuesday,=20
        February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM</DIV>
        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> =
[JONAT]=20
        Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping</DIV></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I spoke with=20
        Bob earlier and discussed a different fee structure for =
late-payers.=20
        Please let me know your thoughts.<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>All=20
        participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their sector =
start)=20
        would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US or =
$47CAN).=20
        Their numbered plate and registration pack would be included in =
the bulk=20
        shipment that Regina sends out to their SC (12 days before their =
sector=20
        start). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A person who=20
        pays late (less than 15 days before their sector start) would =
still=20
        register on the website, but would not send payment to Regina. =
Instead,=20
        they would pay their SC when they met up with the tour. At that =
time,=20
        the SC would hand them a numbered plate and registration pack. A =
late=20
        fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed further below). The =
SC=20
        would forward these registration payments and late fees to=20
        Regina.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT =
face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2>A=20
        person who spontaneously decides to join the tour as it is =
passing=20
        through their area would pay the same registration cost and late =
fee as=20
        the late payers, but would not necessarily register on the =
website,=20
        instead they would fill out a blank&nbsp;registration form =
carried by=20
        the SC's. The SC would forward&nbsp;these&nbsp;registration =
forms,=20
        payments, and late fees&nbsp;to =
Regina.&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        =
size=3D2>***************************************</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><SPAN =
class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT=20
        face=3DArial size=3D2>Included in the regularly-scheduled bulk =
shipment to=20
        the SC would be the following:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A.=20
        Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid=20
        participants&nbsp;joining&nbsp;in&nbsp;the =
sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>B. Extra=20
        Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the=20
        sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The cost of=20
        the late fee is calculated as follows: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>If an SC=20
        runs out of Extra Registration packs during a sector, he would =
request=20
        an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 complete =
registration=20
        packs) from Regina that would be delivered overnight to an =
upcoming=20
        hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or so to receive =
their plate=20
        and registration pack. The cost of express shipping 10 =
registration=20
        packs to the SC is estimated at $80 US, or $8 per registration=20
        pack.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Only in=20
        cases where the SC runs out of registration packs will Regina =
incur the=20
        cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, the late fee is =
all=20
        profit for Jonat. I mean the charity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The $8 late=20
        fee would&nbsp;serve as a small incentive to encourage=20
        early&nbsp;registrations, and not act as too big of a roadblock =
to=20
        late-comers or spontaneous participants.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004></SPAN><SPAN=20
        class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>What do you=20
        all think?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><A=20
        =
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm">http://jonat.org/user=
/welcome_plus_fee.cfm</A>&nbsp;shows=20
        the simplified explanation that drivers will see after they =
first=20
        register for the tour.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The=20
        registration form is done. You can see the new form by viewing =
your=20
        profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right hand =
section of=20
        the main page. <A=20
        =
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm">http://jonat.org/user/myprof=
ile.cfm</A>&nbsp;It=20
        shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those that =
you will=20
        be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector =
attendance list=20
        that the SC's will be able to print out, thereby knowing who is=20
        scheduled to join their sector, and their payment=20
        status.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>Greg</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>
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