[JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
Dr Gregory Andrachuk
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed Feb 25 13:34:01 2004
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I second what Dave has said, judging from the (little) interest we have =
been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am really having =
trouble with the administrative complications of fees. I doubt that many =
SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the present =
(planned) fee, fee collection, package distribution arrangement were =
known ahead of time. As a SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set =
up, I will be spending a good deal of time on administration. Obviously, =
at this late date, I will continue as planned. But I still have trouble =
with the whole issue of fees. Is it just my age that makes me seem =
cranky about this? For the record, I dislike being negative about =
anything, so even having to express these very strong reservations makes =
me uncomfortable.
Gregory
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: D & B Cooke=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
While I understand that there are various costs involved with =
JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs are not really =
apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides that he would like =
to support his Club and other Jag enthusiasts by participating in JONAT =
events, which are on a "user pay" basis, is required to pay $47 Cdn in =
exchange for a JONAT license plate. I tell you that this=20
will be a very tough sell. And speaking frankly, I can also =
tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't participate. =
JONAT doesn't offer anything except a license plaque and an opportunity =
to meet with other Jag owners - I can get that through my local club. =
Why would I pay $47?? Am I missing something here???
Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van Dusen ABFM =
fee which is levied against all entrants to the tune of $35. Charging =
this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an entertainer to perform =
in front of the audience from whom they have charged admission as well. =
Reportedly the ABFM is Van Dusen Garden's busiest day. Without the =
British Cars at Van Dusen Gardens would Van Dusen draw such a crowd? - =
and yet we, "the performers", are charged an entry fee!! Something is =
wrong! It is like paying extra for a trendy jacket that has a Nike logo =
on it so that you can have the "priviledge" of advertising for that =
company. Nike should cut the prices of their jackets in exchange for =
you being a walking advertisement.
Thank you ....Rant over. And yes, I will pay the $47 and I'll =
probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" in the years to come. But =
don't be surprised if there is little local interest in JONAT=20
Dave Cooke
Assistant Sector Coordinator
Victoria Vancouver Sector
www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van
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-------Original Message-------
From: jonat@autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping
Hello,
I spoke with Bob earlier and discussed a different fee structure =
for late-payers. Please let me know your thoughts.
All participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their sector =
start) would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US or =
$47CAN). Their numbered plate and registration pack would be included in =
the bulk shipment that Regina sends out to their SC (12 days before =
their sector start).=20
A person who pays late (less than 15 days before their sector =
start) would still register on the website, but would not send payment =
to Regina. Instead, they would pay their SC when they met up with the =
tour. At that time, the SC would hand them a numbered plate and =
registration pack. A late fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed =
further below). The SC would forward these registration payments and =
late fees to Regina.
A person who spontaneously decides to join the tour as it is =
passing through their area would pay the same registration cost and late =
fee as the late payers, but would not necessarily register on the =
website, instead they would fill out a blank registration form carried =
by the SC's. The SC would forward these registration forms, payments, =
and late fees to Regina.=20
***************************************
Included in the regularly-scheduled bulk shipment to the SC =
would be the following:
A. Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid participants =
joining in the sector
B. Extra Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the sector
The cost of the late fee is calculated as follows:=20
If an SC runs out of Extra Registration packs during a sector, =
he would request an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 =
complete registration packs) from Regina that would be delivered =
overnight to an upcoming hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or =
so to receive their plate and registration pack. The cost of express =
shipping 10 registration packs to the SC is estimated at $80 US, or $8 =
per registration pack.
Only in cases where the SC runs out of registration packs will =
Regina incur the cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, the =
late fee is all profit for Jonat. I mean the charity.
The $8 late fee would serve as a small incentive to encourage =
early registrations, and not act as too big of a roadblock to =
late-comers or spontaneous participants.
What do you all think?
http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm shows the simplified =
explanation that drivers will see after they first register for the =
tour.
=20
The registration form is done. You can see the new form by =
viewing your profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right =
hand section of the main page. http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm It =
shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those that you will =
be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector attendance list =
that the SC's will be able to print out, thereby knowing who is =
scheduled to join their sector, and their payment status.
Greg
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I second what Dave has said, judging from the =
(little)=20
interest we have been able to generate, despite our best efforts. I am =
really=20
having trouble with the administrative complications of fees. I doubt =
that many=20
SC=B4s would have agreed to do what they are doing if the present =
(planned) fee,=20
fee collection, package distribution arrangement were known ahead of =
time. As a=20
SC, I want to have fun too! The way it is set up, I will be spending a =
good deal=20
of time on administration. Obviously, at this late date, I will continue =
as=20
planned. But I still have trouble with the whole issue of fees. Is it =
just my=20
age that makes me seem cranky about this? For the record, I dislike =
being=20
negative about anything, so even having to express these very strong=20
reservations makes me uncomfortable.</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddbcooke@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:dbcooke@shaw.ca">D & B =
Cooke</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 25, =
2004 10:10=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] Driver's =
Fee plus=20
late fee for express shipping</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>While I understand that there are various costs =
involved with=20
JONAT, from the participant's perspective those costs are not =
really=20
apparent. So, the local Jag club member who decides that he =
would like=20
to support his Club and other Jag enthusiasts by =
participating in=20
JONAT events, which are on a "user pay" basis, is required =
to pay=20
$47 Cdn in exchange for a JONAT license plate. I tell you =
that=20
this </DIV>
<DIV>will be a very tough sell. And speaking frankly, I =
can also=20
tell you that if I weren't an ASC, I certainly wouldn't=20
participate. JONAT doesn't offer anything except a license =
plaque=20
and an opportunity to meet with other Jag owners - I can get =
that=20
through my local club. Why would I pay $47?? Am I missing =
something=20
here???</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Oh, by the way, in our sector there is also the Van Dusen =
ABFM fee=20
which is levied against all entrants to the tune of $35. =
Charging=20
this fee, is very much like a theatre charging an entertainer to =
perform=20
in front of the audience from whom they have charged =
admission=20
as well. Reportedly the ABFM is Van Dusen Garden's busiest =
day.=20
Without the British Cars at Van Dusen Gardens would Van =
Dusen draw=20
such a crowd? - and yet we, "the performers", are charged =
an entry=20
fee!! Something is wrong! It is like paying extra for a =
trendy=20
jacket that has a Nike logo on it so that you can have the =
"priviledge" of advertising for that company. Nike should =
cut the=20
prices of their jackets in exchange for you being a walking=20
advertisement.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you ....Rant over. And yes, I will pay =
the $47=20
and I'll probably covet my JONAT license plate "thingy" in the =
years to=20
come. But don't be surprised if there is little local interest =
in JONAT=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave Cooke</DIV>
<DIV>Assistant Sector Coordinator</DIV>
<DIV>Victoria Vancouver Sector</DIV>
<DIV><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van">www.members.shaw.ca/vic-van</=
A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> =
Tuesday,=20
February 24, 2004 11:42:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> =
[JONAT]=20
Driver's Fee plus late fee for express shipping</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I spoke with=20
Bob earlier and discussed a different fee structure for =
late-payers.=20
Please let me know your thoughts.<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>All=20
participants who pay on-time (within 15 days of their sector =
start)=20
would send payment to the Jonat Registrar in Regina ($36US or =
$47CAN).=20
Their numbered plate and registration pack would be included in =
the bulk=20
shipment that Regina sends out to their SC (12 days before their =
sector=20
start). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A person who=20
pays late (less than 15 days before their sector start) would =
still=20
register on the website, but would not send payment to Regina. =
Instead,=20
they would pay their SC when they met up with the tour. At that =
time,=20
the SC would hand them a numbered plate and registration pack. A =
late=20
fee of $8US or $11CAN would apply (discussed further below). The =
SC=20
would forward these registration payments and late fees to=20
Regina.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT =
face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2>A=20
person who spontaneously decides to join the tour as it is =
passing=20
through their area would pay the same registration cost and late =
fee as=20
the late payers, but would not necessarily register on the =
website,=20
instead they would fill out a blank registration form =
carried by=20
the SC's. The SC would forward these registration =
forms,=20
payments, and late fees to =
Regina. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>***************************************</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><SPAN =
class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Included in the regularly-scheduled bulk =
shipment to=20
the SC would be the following:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>A.=20
Registration packs that are pre-sold to paid=20
participants joining in the =
sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>B. Extra=20
Registration packs to (possibly) sell during the=20
sector</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The cost of=20
the late fee is calculated as follows: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>If an SC=20
runs out of Extra Registration packs during a sector, he would =
request=20
an express bulk shipment (comprising perhaps 10 complete =
registration=20
packs) from Regina that would be delivered overnight to an =
upcoming=20
hotel. Late-payers would have to wait a day or so to receive =
their plate=20
and registration pack. The cost of express shipping 10 =
registration=20
packs to the SC is estimated at $80 US, or $8 per registration=20
pack.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Only in=20
cases where the SC runs out of registration packs will Regina =
incur the=20
cost of express shipping. The rest of the time, the late fee is =
all=20
profit for Jonat. I mean the charity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The $8 late=20
fee would serve as a small incentive to encourage=20
early registrations, and not act as too big of a roadblock =
to=20
late-comers or spontaneous participants.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>What do you=20
all think?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/welcome_plus_fee.cfm">http://jonat.org/user=
/welcome_plus_fee.cfm</A> shows=20
the simplified explanation that drivers will see after they =
first=20
register for the tour.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN=20
class=3D771435106-25022004>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT><BR> </DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The=20
registration form is done. You can see the new form by viewing =
your=20
profile on the website, 'My Profile' in the upper right hand =
section of=20
the main page. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/user/myprofile.cfm">http://jonat.org/user/myprof=
ile.cfm</A> It=20
shows the sectors with checkboxes so you can select those that =
you will=20
be participating in. These data will feed a per-sector =
attendance list=20
that the SC's will be able to print out, thereby knowing who is=20
scheduled to join their sector, and their payment=20
status.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771435106-25022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Greg</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>
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