From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 1 02:35:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Anthony W. (Tony) Parran) Date: Thu Jan 1 02:35:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In case anyone is interested, I am a pilot and just picked up the recent, "CUSTOM PLANES," February 2004 issue. There is an article about a "National Air Tour 2003" that started out in Dearborn, Michigan and toured the US. Maybe some insight can be gleamed from their preparation and be applied to this tour. Just a thought. Tony From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 1 09:38:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Jan 1 09:38:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3D053.1E8FCF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and JONAT-chat lists. Best wishes for 2004 to you and your families. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3D053.1E8FCF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and JONAT-chat = lists.
Best wishes = for 2004 to=20 you and your families.

Bob England
'69=20 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour = (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3D053.1E8FCF30-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 14:47:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Hazel A. Beck) Date: Fri Jan 2 14:47:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route References: Message-ID: <002e01c3d179$f308e400$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3D136.E0C5BB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Bob...Happy New Year to you! I wanted to run the route by you for the San Diego sector...Lou Lepis of = the San Diego Jaguar Club worked with me to lay this out. May 3 Hand off in Lake Havasu City. 95 South to 62 West. 62 West to = Twenty-Nine Palms. Recommended lunch stop: Twenty-Nine Palms Inn. Leave Twenty-Nine Palms on 62 West to I-10 West. 23 miles on the = Interstate to Banning. Pick up 79 South in Banning. Stay on 79 South = to 74 West. Very short time on 74 West to R3 South. R3 South to 79 = West into Temecula, California, a wine region. =20 Tentative 'after hours' (5-7 PM) wine and cheese reception at one of the = wineries? =20 Overnight in Temecula. May 4 Short drive of 1 hour to San Diego for an 'out of the car' day. =20 Possible arrangements for a Harbor Cruise at a discount. Numerous = attractions for day activities in San Diego. Overnight lodging recommended in Old Town. May 5 1.5 drive to Jaguar North American Headquarters in Irvine for lunch and = tour. Hand-off to LA sector after lunch. Let me know what you think...we tried to keep it back road friendly... Hazel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net ; JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year ! Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and JONAT-chat lists. Best wishes for 2004 to you and your families. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3D136.E0C5BB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Bob...Happy New = Year to=20 you!

I wanted to run the = route by you=20 for the San Diego sector...Lou Lepis of the San Diego Jaguar = Club worked=20 with me to lay this out.

May = 3

Hand off in Lake = Havasu=20 City. 95 South to 62 West. 62 West to Twenty-Nine=20 Palms.

Recommended lunch=20 stop: Twenty-Nine Palms Inn.

Leave Twenty-Nine = Palms on 62 West=20 to I-10 West. 23 miles on the Interstate to Banning. Pick up = 79=20 South in Banning. Stay on 79 South to 74 West. Very short = time on 74=20 West to R3 South. R3 South to 79 West into Temecula, California, a = wine=20 region.

Tentative 'after = hours' (5-7=20 PM) wine and cheese reception at one of the wineries? =

Overnight in=20 Temecula.

May = 4

Short drive of 1 hour = to San Diego=20 for an 'out of the car' day.

Possible arrangements = for a Harbor=20 Cruise at a discount. Numerous attractions for day activities in = San=20 Diego.

Overnight lodging = recommended in=20 Old Town.

May = 5

1.5 drive to Jaguar = North American=20 Headquarters in Irvine for lunch and tour.

Hand-off to LA sector = after=20 lunch.

Let me know what you = think...we=20 tried to keep it back road friendly...

Hazel

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net = ; JONAT=20 MailList

Sent: Thursday, January 01, = 2004 8:36=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year = !

Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and = JONAT-chat=20 lists.
Best wishes = for 2004 to=20 you and your families.

Bob England
'69=20 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour = (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3D136.E0C5BB80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 07:05:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 5 07:05:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route In-Reply-To: <002e01c3d179$f308e400$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3D362.5B2FA250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel Looks good ! I've updated the map on the webpages. Take a look at the PDF route map and you'll get an idea of approximate driving times (they all look OK). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hazel A. Beck Sent: January 2, 2004 3:47 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route Hi, Bob...Happy New Year to you! I wanted to run the route by you for the San Diego sector...Lou Lepis of the San Diego Jaguar Club worked with me to lay this out. May 3 Hand off in Lake Havasu City. 95 South to 62 West. 62 West to Twenty-Nine Palms. Recommended lunch stop: Twenty-Nine Palms Inn. Leave Twenty-Nine Palms on 62 West to I-10 West. 23 miles on the Interstate to Banning. Pick up 79 South in Banning. Stay on 79 South to 74 West. Very short time on 74 West to R3 South. R3 South to 79 West into Temecula, California, a wine region. Tentative 'after hours' (5-7 PM) wine and cheese reception at one of the wineries? Overnight in Temecula. May 4 Short drive of 1 hour to San Diego for an 'out of the car' day. Possible arrangements for a Harbor Cruise at a discount. Numerous attractions for day activities in San Diego. Overnight lodging recommended in Old Town. May 5 1.5 drive to Jaguar North American Headquarters in Irvine for lunch and tour. Hand-off to LA sector after lunch. Let me know what you think...we tried to keep it back road friendly... Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net ; JONAT MailList Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year ! Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and JONAT-chat lists. Best wishes for 2004 to you and your families. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3D362.5B2FA250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hazel

Looks=20 good ! I've updated the map on the webpages. Take a look at = the PDF=20 route map and you'll get an idea of approximate driving times (they all = look=20 OK).

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hazel A.=20 Beck
Sent: January 2, 2004 3:47 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] San Diego Sector=20 Route

Hi, Bob...Happy New = Year to=20 you!

I wanted to run the = route by you=20 for the San Diego sector...Lou Lepis of the San Diego Jaguar = Club worked=20 with me to lay this out.

May = 3

Hand off in Lake = Havasu=20 City. 95 South to 62 West. 62 West to Twenty-Nine=20 Palms.

Recommended lunch=20 stop: Twenty-Nine Palms Inn.

Leave Twenty-Nine = Palms on 62 West=20 to I-10 West. 23 miles on the Interstate to Banning. Pick up = 79=20 South in Banning. Stay on 79 South to 74 West. Very short = time on 74=20 West to R3 South. R3 South to 79 West into Temecula, California, a = wine=20 region.

Tentative 'after = hours' (5-7=20 PM) wine and cheese reception at one of the wineries? =

Overnight in=20 Temecula.

May = 4

Short drive of 1 hour = to San Diego=20 for an 'out of the car' day.

Possible arrangements = for a Harbor=20 Cruise at a discount. Numerous attractions for day activities in = San=20 Diego.

Overnight lodging = recommended in=20 Old Town.

May = 5

1.5 drive to Jaguar = North American=20 Headquarters in Irvine for lunch and tour.

Hand-off to LA sector = after=20 lunch.

Let me know what you = think...we=20 tried to keep it back road friendly...

Hazel

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net = ; JONAT=20 MailList

Sent: Thursday, January 01, = 2004 8:36=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year = !

Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and = JONAT-chat=20 lists.
Best wishes = for 2004 to=20 you and your families.

Bob England
'69=20 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour = (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3D362.5B2FA250-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 18:02:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 5 18:02:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver References: Message-ID: <010c01c3d3ef$b61b6900$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_T5Vvk6EDi8lAvq+y6UEkqQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities. We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:03 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route Hazel Looks good ! I've updated the map on the webpages. Take a look at the PDF route map and you'll get an idea of approximate driving times (they all look OK). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hazel A. Beck Sent: January 2, 2004 3:47 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route Hi, Bob...Happy New Year to you! I wanted to run the route by you for the San Diego sector...Lou Lepis of the San Diego Jaguar Club worked with me to lay this out. May 3 Hand off in Lake Havasu City. 95 South to 62 West. 62 West to Twenty-Nine Palms. Recommended lunch stop: Twenty-Nine Palms Inn. Leave Twenty-Nine Palms on 62 West to I-10 West. 23 miles on the Interstate to Banning. Pick up 79 South in Banning. Stay on 79 South to 74 West. Very short time on 74 West to R3 South. R3 South to 79 West into Temecula, California, a wine region. Tentative 'after hours' (5-7 PM) wine and cheese reception at one of the wineries? Overnight in Temecula. May 4 Short drive of 1 hour to San Diego for an 'out of the car' day. Possible arrangements for a Harbor Cruise at a discount. Numerous attractions for day activities in San Diego. Overnight lodging recommended in Old Town. May 5 1.5 drive to Jaguar North American Headquarters in Irvine for lunch and tour. Hand-off to LA sector after lunch. Let me know what you think...we tried to keep it back road friendly... Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net ; JONAT MailList Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year ! Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and JONAT-chat lists. Best wishes for 2004 to you and your families. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org --Boundary_(ID_T5Vvk6EDi8lAvq+y6UEkqQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob:

 Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities.

 We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:03 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route

Hazel

Looks good ! I've updated the map on the webpages. Take a look at the PDF route map and you'll get an idea of approximate driving times (they all look OK).

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hazel A. Beck
Sent: January 2, 2004 3:47 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route

Hi, Bob...Happy New Year to you!

I wanted to run the route by you for the San Diego sector...Lou Lepis of the San Diego Jaguar Club worked with me to lay this out.

May 3

Hand off in Lake Havasu City. 95 South to 62 West. 62 West to Twenty-Nine Palms.

Recommended lunch stop: Twenty-Nine Palms Inn.

Leave Twenty-Nine Palms on 62 West to I-10 West. 23 miles on the Interstate to Banning. Pick up 79 South in Banning. Stay on 79 South to 74 West. Very short time on 74 West to R3 South. R3 South to 79 West into Temecula, California, a wine region.

Tentative 'after hours' (5-7 PM) wine and cheese reception at one of the wineries?

Overnight in Temecula.

May 4

Short drive of 1 hour to San Diego for an 'out of the car' day.

Possible arrangements for a Harbor Cruise at a discount. Numerous attractions for day activities in San Diego.

Overnight lodging recommended in Old Town.

May 5

1.5 drive to Jaguar North American Headquarters in Irvine for lunch and tour.

Hand-off to LA sector after lunch.

Let me know what you think...we tried to keep it back road friendly...

Hazel

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net ; JONAT MailList

Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:36 AM

Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year !

Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and JONAT-chat lists.
Best wishes for 2004 to you and your families.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
--Boundary_(ID_T5Vvk6EDi8lAvq+y6UEkqQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 19:15:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 5 19:15:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver In-Reply-To: <010c01c3d3ef$b61b6900$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3D3C8.4E54DC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities. We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details. Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3D3C8.4E54DC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the = Vancouver/Victoria=20 webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops = right.

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Roy Gill; = dbcooke@shaw.ca
Subject:=20 [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Bob:

 Regarding the = Victoria /=20 Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an = "h" in=20 it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in = uncertain=20 condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter = Olympic=20 Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals = may wish=20 to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this=20 segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, = May=20 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the=20 mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful=20 cities.

 We have hotels = arranged in=20 Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other = details.

 =20 = =20 = =20 Gregory
------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3D3C8.4E54DC10-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 22:24:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (F. Ronald Rader) Date: Mon Jan 5 22:24:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] San Diego Sector Route In-Reply-To: <002e01c3d179$f308e400$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> References: <002e01c3d179$f308e400$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040105211103.0453ddb0@webmail.interworld.net> It looks like Hazel picked a great route to Temecula and a great place for an overnight. I respectfully submit that I have traveled the back roads in that area with the Healey and Jag clubs and I suggest that a spectacular drive could be created from Temecula to San Diego without getting on the freeway until you are much closer to SD. even if it was just down 79 to 8 and then to SD. I KNOW the locals have some great small roads down there. Just a suggestion. maybe the folks want a direct shot to SD by that time?? Ron Rader. PS I am meeting with the JOC of LA Board this weekend. At 01:46 PM 1/2/2004, Hazel A. Beck wrote: >Hi, Bob...Happy New Year to you! > >I wanted to run the route by you for the San Diego sector...Lou Lepis of >the San Diego Jaguar Club worked with me to lay this out. > >May 3 >Hand off in Lake Havasu City. 95 South to 62 West. 62 West to >Twenty-Nine Palms. > >Recommended lunch stop: Twenty-Nine Palms Inn. > >Leave Twenty-Nine Palms on 62 West to I-10 West. 23 miles on the >Interstate to Banning. Pick up 79 South in Banning. Stay on 79 South to >74 West. Very short time on 74 West to R3 South. R3 South to 79 West >into Temecula, California, a wine region. > >Tentative 'after hours' (5-7 PM) wine and cheese reception at one of the >wineries? > >Overnight in Temecula. > >May 4 >Short drive of 1 hour to San Diego for an 'out of the car' day. > >Possible arrangements for a Harbor Cruise at a discount. Numerous >attractions for day activities in San Diego. > >Overnight lodging recommended in Old Town. > >May 5 >1.5 drive to Jaguar North American Headquarters in Irvine for lunch and tour. > >Hand-off to LA sector after lunch. > >Let me know what you think...we tried to keep it back road friendly... > >Hazel > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob >To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net ; >JONAT MailList >Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:36 AM >Subject: [JONAT] Happy New Year ! > >Happy new year to all of you on the JONAT and JONAT-chat lists. >Best wishes for 2004 to you and your families. > >Bob England >'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >Route Coordinator >http://www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 6 15:47:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Jan 6 15:47:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver References: Message-ID: <011401c3d4a6$594cc950$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_aj0t2HaRXUdfk8Yf3DrlzQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: I just checked the itinerary and it still has "Wistler" listed! Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities. We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_aj0t2HaRXUdfk8Yf3DrlzQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob: I just checked the itinerary and it still has "Wistler" listed!

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:12 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca
Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Bob:

 Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities.

 We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details.

 Gregory
--Boundary_(ID_aj0t2HaRXUdfk8Yf3DrlzQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 6 15:59:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Jan 6 15:59:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver References: Message-ID: <011c01c3d4a7$b8643df0$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Gfj4+TGBCR4tYKOBbCn2Pw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for Victoria is the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the Lonsdale Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from Victoria to Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities. We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_Gfj4+TGBCR4tYKOBbCn2Pw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for Victoria is the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the Lonsdale Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from Victoria to Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:12 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca
Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Bob:

 Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities.

 We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details.

 Gregory
--Boundary_(ID_Gfj4+TGBCR4tYKOBbCn2Pw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 07:50:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 7 07:50:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver In-Reply-To: <011401c3d4a6$594cc950$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D4FA.EA2CE870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory ... you are right ... and I cannot seem to fix it. There seems to be a problem at the website end ... I can't seem do upload updates to the site ... I'll investigate and se what is going on ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 6, 2004 4:42 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: I just checked the itinerary and it still has "Wistler" listed! Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D4FA.EA2CE870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory ... you are right ... and I cannot seem to fix = it. There=20 seems to be a problem at the website end ... I can't seem do upload = updates to=20 the site ... I'll investigate and se what is going on ...=20 Bob

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 6, 2004 4:42 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT]=20 Victoria/Vancouver

Bob: I just checked the itinerary and = it still has=20 "Wistler" listed!

 =20 = =20 = Gregory
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D4FA.EA2CE870-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 07:50:33 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 7 07:50:33 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver In-Reply-To: <011c01c3d4a7$b8643df0$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3D4FA.EA46D910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the update Gregory - I'll revise the Hotel info. I guess I just assumed since the Abercorn Inn is the VanDusen meet Hotel that that is where we would be staying as well ... sorry about that. There is a handover in Vancouver - to the Okanagan sector (i.e. the Sector following yours). Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 6, 2004 4:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for Victoria is the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the Lonsdale Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from Victoria to Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities. We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details. Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3D4FA.EA46D910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the update Gregory - I'll revise = the Hotel info. I guess I just assumed since the=20 Abercorn Inn is the VanDusen meet Hotel that that is where we would = be=20 staying as well ... sorry about = that.

There is a handover in Vancouver - to the = Okanagan=20 sector (i.e. the Sector following = yours).

Bob

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of=20 Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 6, 2004 4:52 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT]=20 Victoria/Vancouver

Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for = Victoria is=20 the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the = Lonsdale=20 Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from = Victoria to=20 Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map. =

 =20 = =20 = Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 = 6:12=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT]=20 Victoria/Vancouver

Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the=20 Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops = right.

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Roy Gill;=20 dbcooke@shaw.ca
Subject: [JONAT]=20 Victoria/Vancouver

Bob:

 Regarding the = Victoria /=20 Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is = an "h" in=20 it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in = uncertain=20 condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the = Winter=20 Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid = individuals=20 may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the = by-word of=20 this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on = Friday,=20 May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay = on the=20 mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful=20 cities.

 We have hotels = arranged in=20 Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other = details.

 = = =20 = =20 Gregory
= ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3D4FA.EA46D910-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 08:20:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 7 08:20:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver In-Reply-To: <011c01c3d4a7$b8643df0$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3D4FF.290CA770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gregory I fixed the spreadsheet problem (my bad ... I forgot a step). Also updated your sector map. Will update the Okanagan map in a few minutes to reflect the new starting point. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 6, 2004 4:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for Victoria is the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the Lonsdale Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from Victoria to Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map. Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3D4FF.290CA770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregory

I=20 fixed the spreadsheet problem (my bad ... I forgot a step). Also = updated=20 your sector map. Will update the Okanagan map in a few minutes to = reflect=20 the new starting point.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 6, 2004 4:52 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT]=20 Victoria/Vancouver

Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for = Victoria is=20 the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the = Lonsdale=20 Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from = Victoria to=20 Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map. =

 =20 = =20 = Gregory
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3D4FF.290CA770-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 09:33:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:33:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver References: Message-ID: <004601c3d53b$4aeda1a0$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_kpuja4ck8Cv2pebsChJuPQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: correct: the handover to the Okanagan sector is in Vancouver, after the Van Dusen meet. You were not in left field regarding the hotel; our original thought was the Abercorn, but for a number of reasons have selected the Lonsdale Quay Hotel. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Thanks for the update Gregory - I'll revise the Hotel info. I guess I just assumed since the Abercorn Inn is the VanDusen meet Hotel that that is where we would be staying as well ... sorry about that. There is a handover in Vancouver - to the Okanagan sector (i.e. the Sector following yours). Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 6, 2004 4:52 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for Victoria is the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the Lonsdale Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from Victoria to Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver Bob: Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities. We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details. Gregory --Boundary_(ID_kpuja4ck8Cv2pebsChJuPQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bob: correct: the handover to the Okanagan sector is in Vancouver, after the Van Dusen meet. You were not in left field regarding the hotel; our original thought was the Abercorn, but for a number of reasons have selected the Lonsdale Quay Hotel.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:47 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Thanks for the update Gregory - I'll revise the Hotel info. I guess I just assumed since the Abercorn Inn is the VanDusen meet Hotel that that is where we would be staying as well ... sorry about that.

There is a handover in Vancouver - to the Okanagan sector (i.e. the Sector following yours).

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 6, 2004 4:52 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Bob: a couple of things: the hotel for Victoria is the Harbour Towers; for Vancouver it is NOT the Abercorn Inn, but the Lonsdale Quay Hotel in North Vancouver. There really is no "handover" from Victoria to Vancouver, so you might want to delete that from the sector map.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:12 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Gregory ... done ... please check out the maps on the Vancouver/Victoria webpage to make sure I've got the route & stops right.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 5, 2004 6:55 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Cc: Roy Gill; dbcooke@shaw.ca
Subject: [JONAT] Victoria/Vancouver

Bob:

 Regarding the Victoria / Vancouver segment: please remove the reference to Whistler (there is an "h" in it!) and substitute "Nanaimo". The highway to Whistler will be in uncertain condition because of major rebuilding in preparation for the Winter Olympic Games, and we will not be going there as a group. Intrepid individuals may wish to do so, and they are free to do so (freedom being the by-word of this segment). But we will be travelling from Victoria to Nanaimo on Friday, May 21 to take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Horseshoe Bay on the mainland, a beautiful way to enter one of Canada's most beautiful cities.

 We have hotels arranged in Victoria and Vancouver and will be working on other details.

 Gregory
--Boundary_(ID_kpuja4ck8Cv2pebsChJuPQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 10:55:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 10 10:55:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] NEW SECTOR COORDINATOR - INDIANAPOLIS Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3D770.2D398840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a new Sector Coordinator on board ... Phil Wert from Indiana. I'm sure Phil will have a bunch of questions for us over the next few days, and as the list has been quiet over the Christmas break, perhaps his questions will wake up the 'ol grey cells. Welcome Phil ! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3D770.2D398840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We = have a new Sector=20 Coordinator on board ... Phil Wert from Indiana. I'm sure Phil = will have a=20 bunch of questions for us over the next few days, and as the list has = been quiet=20 over the Christmas break, perhaps his questions will wake up the = 'ol grey=20 cells.

Welcome Phil=20 !

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3D770.2D398840-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 11:00:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 10 11:00:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] General Stuff Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3D770.EC9F2EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And a few more things to get the grey cells vibrating again ... How is everyone doing out there? If you're anything like me you ate too much over the holidays and was not thinking too much about JONAT as you were sitting on your couch moaning about the excess food intake and watching college football or hockey. Any new websites? Let me know and I'll link them to the JONAT website. Also, do get in touch with your neighbouring SC's if you have no already done so. Still looking for a few assistant sector coordinators from some of you ... take a look at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm and if I don't have your ASC's name in there yet, please let me know as soon as you can. WE still have a few blanks in the SC map, and need to fill these gaps in the next month or so at the latest. In most of these areas we are working with the local Jaguar clubs to find an individual to volunteer as an SC. If you have any suggestions for individuals we can approach, please let myself, Jamie, or Fazal know. Three months to go until the Tour starts over in Hudson's area. The time will go by quickly, so best to start finalizing any planning. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3D770.EC9F2EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And a = few more=20 things to get the grey cells vibrating again ...

How is = everyone=20 doing out there? If you're anything like me you ate too much over = the=20 holidays and was not thinking too much about JONAT as you were sitting = on your=20 couch moaning about the excess food intake and watching college football = or=20 hockey.

Any = new=20 websites? Let me know and I'll link them to the JONAT=20 website.

Also, = do get in=20 touch with your neighbouring SC's if you have no already done=20 so.

Still looking for a few assistant sector coordinators from some of=20 you ... take a look at

http://jonat.or= g/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm

and if = I don't have=20 your ASC's name in there yet, please let me know as soon as you=20 can.

WE = still have a few=20 blanks in the SC map, and need to fill these gaps in the next month or = so at the=20 latest. In most of these areas we are working with the local = Jaguar clubs=20 to find an individual to volunteer as an SC. If you have any = suggestions=20 for individuals we can approach, please let myself, Jamie, or Fazal = know. =20

Three = months to go=20 until the Tour starts over in Hudson's area. The time will go by = quickly,=20 so best to start finalizing any planning.

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3D770.EC9F2EB0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 11:31:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 10 11:31:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT ROUTE - Texas/Oklahoma vs. West Texas Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C3D775.383BE260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was some chat a while back about taking the tour through western Texas and north, rather than through Dallas and Oklahoma. This is the last portion of the route (in general terms) that needs to be settled and I would like to do so pretty soon. As I will need to get in touch with some individuals along this route as SC volunteers (this is one of the last gaps to fill) I would appreciate any and all feedback one way or 'tother. Mark (Houston) and Robert (Colorado) - this probably effect you guys more than anyone else - what do you guys think? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C3D775.383BE260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There = was some chat=20 a while back about taking the tour through western Texas and north, = rather than=20 through Dallas and Oklahoma. This is the last portion of the route = (in=20 general terms) that needs to be settled and I would like to do so pretty = soon. As I will need to get in touch with some individuals = along this=20 route as SC volunteers (this is one of the last gaps to fill) I = would=20 appreciate any and all feedback one way or 'tother.

Mark = (Houston) and=20 Robert (Colorado) - this probably effect you guys more than anyone else = - what=20 do you guys think?

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C3D775.383BE260-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 12:53:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Anthony W. (Tony) Parran) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:53:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] General Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_J0g7YqHQ46sODH9cRvZJxQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: I spoke to my friend at the houseboat company. She was excited, so I will connect with the management and local hotels/motel in regards to available space in the Vernon, Salmon Arm, Sicamous, BC area. Tony --Boundary_(ID_J0g7YqHQ46sODH9cRvZJxQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Bob:

I spoke to my friend at the houseboat company. She was excited, so I will connect with the management and local hotels/motel in regards to available space in the Vernon, Salmon Arm, Sicamous, BC area.

Tony

--Boundary_(ID_J0g7YqHQ46sODH9cRvZJxQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 19:26:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Sat Jan 10 19:26:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] General Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4000AEF0.7060005@jonat.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060804080200050205090907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just spoke with jeff Booth in Toronto via e-mail. He is back on jag lovers but will NOT be resuming charge of the Toronto Sector. Have you had any volunteers? Mike O'Brien Bob wrote: > And a few more things to get the grey cells vibrating again ... > > How is everyone doing out there? If you're anything like me you ate > too much over the holidays and was not thinking too much about JONAT > as you were sitting on your couch moaning about the excess food intake > and watching college football or hockey. > > Any new websites? Let me know and I'll link them to the JONAT website. > > Also, do get in touch with your neighbouring SC's if you have no > already done so. > > Still looking for a few assistant sector coordinators from some of > you ... take a look at > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm > and if I don't have your ASC's name in there yet, please let me know > as soon as you can. > > WE still have a few blanks in the SC map, and need to fill these gaps > in the next month or so at the latest. In most of these areas we are > working with the local Jaguar clubs to find an individual to volunteer > as an SC. If you have any suggestions for individuals we can > approach, please let myself, Jamie, or Fazal know. > > Three months to go until the Tour starts over in Hudson's area. The > time will go by quickly, so best to start finalizing any planning. > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > -- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org --------------060804080200050205090907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just spoke with jeff Booth in Toronto via e-mail. He is back on jag lovers but will NOT be resuming charge of the Toronto Sector. Have you had any volunteers?

Mike O'Brien

Bob wrote:

And a few more things to get the grey cells vibrating again ...

How is everyone doing out there? If you're anything like me you ate too much over the holidays and was not thinking too much about JONAT as you were sitting on your couch moaning about the excess food intake and watching college football or hockey.

Any new websites? Let me know and I'll link them to the JONAT website.

Also, do get in touch with your neighbouring SC's if you have no already done so.

Still looking for a few assistant sector coordinators from some of you ... take a look at

http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm

and if I don't have your ASC's name in there yet, please let me know as soon as you can.

WE still have a few blanks in the SC map, and need to fill these gaps in the next month or so at the latest. In most of these areas we are working with the local Jaguar clubs to find an individual to volunteer as an SC. If you have any suggestions for individuals we can approach, please let myself, Jamie, or Fazal know.

Three months to go until the Tour starts over in Hudson's area. The time will go by quickly, so best to start finalizing any planning.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org
--------------060804080200050205090907-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 22:06:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 11 22:06:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] General Stuff In-Reply-To: <4000AEF0.7060005@jonat.org> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3D897.53B24840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Three or four volunteers to assist, but no-one to take charge ... do you know anyone down that way you (or I) can approach as Sector Co-ordinator? Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: January 10, 2004 8:03 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] General Stuff Just spoke with jeff Booth in Toronto via e-mail. He is back on jag lovers but will NOT be resuming charge of the Toronto Sector. Have you had any volunteers? Mike O'Brien Bob wrote: And a few more things to get the grey cells vibrating again ... How is everyone doing out there? If you're anything like me you ate too much over the holidays and was not thinking too much about JONAT as you were sitting on your couch moaning about the excess food intake and watching college football or hockey. Any new websites? Let me know and I'll link them to the JONAT website. Also, do get in touch with your neighbouring SC's if you have no already done so. Still looking for a few assistant sector coordinators from some of you ... take a look at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm and if I don't have your ASC's name in there yet, please let me know as soon as you can. WE still have a few blanks in the SC map, and need to fill these gaps in the next month or so at the latest. In most of these areas we are working with the local Jaguar clubs to find an individual to volunteer as an SC. If you have any suggestions for individuals we can approach, please let myself, Jamie, or Fazal know. Three months to go until the Tour starts over in Hudson's area. The time will go by quickly, so best to start finalizing any planning. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3D897.53B24840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike

Three=20 or four volunteers to assist, but no-one to take charge ... do you know = anyone=20 down that way you (or I) can approach as Sector=20 Co-ordinator?

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike=20 O'Brien
Sent: January 10, 2004 8:03 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] General=20 Stuff

Just spoke with jeff Booth in Toronto via = e-mail.=20 He is back on jag lovers but will NOT be resuming charge of the Toronto = Sector.=20 Have you had any volunteers?

Mike O'Brien

Bob wrote:

And = a few more=20 things to get the grey cells vibrating again ...

How = is everyone=20 doing out there? If you're anything like me you ate too much = over the=20 holidays and was not thinking too much about JONAT as you were sitting = on your=20 couch moaning about the excess food intake and watching college = football or=20 hockey.

Any new websites? Let me know and I'll link them to the = JONAT=20 website.

Also, do get in touch with your neighbouring SC's if you have = no=20 already done so.

Still looking for a few assistant = sector=20 coordinators from some of you ... take a look at

http://jonat.or= g/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm

and = if I don't=20 have your ASC's name in there yet, please let me know as soon as you=20 can.

WE = still have a=20 few blanks in the SC map, and need to fill these gaps in the next = month or so=20 at the latest. In most of these areas we are working with the = local=20 Jaguar clubs to find an individual to volunteer as an SC. If you = have=20 any suggestions for individuals we can approach, please let myself, = Jamie, or=20 Fazal know.

Three months to go=20 until the Tour starts over in Hudson's area. The time will go by = quickly, so best to start finalizing any planning.

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

--=20 Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org=20
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3D897.53B24840-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 22:47:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 11 22:47:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] NEW SECTOR COORDINATOR - MICHIGAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D89D.1B4F41F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another new Sector Coordinator this weekend ... Bob Stevenson from Detroit. Welcome Bob ! As we have two new SC's, perhaps we can continue a few discussions from where we left off a few weeks ago. Firstly, budgeting - how is everyone doing with approximate costs for the Tour. I think we should get an official registration type of thing going, and it would be nice if we finalized costs. Any further thoughts from our last discussion? Also, a few months back we talked about other marques participation. I've gone over a proposal with Jamie and Fazal, and will post to the website your SC/ASC only viewing sometime this week. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D89D.1B4F41F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another new Sector = Coordinator this=20 weekend ... Bob Stevenson from Detroit. Welcome Bob=20 !

As we have two new = SC's, perhaps we=20 can continue a few discussions from where we left off a few weeks = ago. =20 Firstly, budgeting - how is everyone doing with approximate costs for = the=20 Tour. I think we should get an official registration type of thing = going,=20 and it would be nice if we finalized costs. Any further thoughts = from our=20 last discussion?

Also, a few months back we = talked about=20 other marques participation. I've gone over a proposal with Jamie = and=20 Fazal, and will post to the website your SC/ASC only viewing sometime = this=20 week.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's North=20 American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D89D.1B4F41F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 05:12:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Mon Jan 12 05:12:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] General Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40028E50.6070704@jonat.org> I will see if I can find out who the executive of the Toronto Club are and get them motivated. Mike Bob wrote: > Mike > > Three or four volunteers to assist, but no-one to take charge ... do > you know anyone down that way you (or I) can approach as Sector > Co-ordinator? > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Mike O'Brien > Sent: January 10, 2004 8:03 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] General Stuff > > Just spoke with jeff Booth in Toronto via e-mail. He is back on jag > lovers but will NOT be resuming charge of the Toronto Sector. Have you > had any volunteers? > > M From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 09:47:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon Jan 12 09:47:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] 888 number Message-ID: A friend tried to register and noted that the toll-free number is disconnected. I tried it and it was! Was there something about that in a long lost post? Should we take it off the web site? Mark - AZ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 16:06:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:06:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3D92E.37B297C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3D92E.37B297C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check = out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know = a few of you=20 had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both = sides of=20 the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing=20 everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. = Note that this is = on the=20 website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final = decision=20 on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on = this=20 list.

Now = I'm going to run=20 away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3D92E.37B297C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 16:22:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:22:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073949662.40032bde847ab@webmail.telus.net> I think that sounds reasonable, however I would limit the advertising/promotion to Jaguar venues, rather than advertising on an MG or Triumph list. As an example, I wouldn't want a Jaguar owner to be barred from the tour if his Jaguar is under repair/restoration, but he had a running MG. On the other hand, I wouldn't want the Jaguars to be outnumbered by the other British cars. As Gregory mentioned, it isn't the "MG owners Tour". I expect the non-Jaguar cars would be in the minority, and I don't have a problem if a TR6 is in a convoy of 50 Jaguars, as long as it doesn't become a covoy of 50 TR6's followed by a Jaguar. I have no idea of how to police that, however. Craig Quoting Bob : > As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. > > Check out > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 17:11:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:11:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: <3d7d853dc325.3dc3253d7d85@shaw.ca> Sounds good to me Bob Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Date: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 pm Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 > As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. > > Check out > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm > > I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a > few months > ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it > to bed > after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official > JONAT policy. > Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will > have none > until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only > people with > access are those on this list. > > Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 19:31:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Mon Jan 12 19:31:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <01af01c3d97d$1b3344b0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C3D93A.0C837C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob,=20 Fine by me. Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few = months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put = it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it = (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. = the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C3D93A.0C837C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,

Fine by me.

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 = 3:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 101

As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I = know a few of=20 you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on = both sides=20 of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after = hearing=20 everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. = Note that this = is on the=20 website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final = decision=20 on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on = this=20 list.

Now = I'm going to=20 run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C3D93A.0C837C20-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 21:36:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:36:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <012e01c3d98e$2bcbb620$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_gS2nL+JJMqmz+5nDfbPFbA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. = Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a = British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are = welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people = to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis = for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said = that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It = was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a = salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars = that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this = at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a = Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); = but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is = quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car = owners? Bob, you can come out now. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few = months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put = it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it = (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. = the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org --Boundary_(ID_gS2nL+JJMqmz+5nDfbPFbA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out now.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101

As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out

http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list.

Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

--Boundary_(ID_gS2nL+JJMqmz+5nDfbPFbA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 21:38:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:38:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <013c01c3d98e$5c347130$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Dn1I3TfKYCDkdwFUanD5rA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Actually, having read the "who can participate" thing again, I am most STRONGLY opposed. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: JONAT MailList Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org --Boundary_(ID_Dn1I3TfKYCDkdwFUanD5rA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Actually, having read the "who can participate" thing again, I am most STRONGLY opposed.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101

As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out

http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list.

Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

--Boundary_(ID_Dn1I3TfKYCDkdwFUanD5rA)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 22:03:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:03:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <012e01c3d98e$2bcbb620$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <002101c3d992$6f978740$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3D94F.614B1460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What interested me most when I first learned of the tour was that it was = fo "Jaguar Owners". There are numerous funcions that can be attended by = British Cars and any other breeds for that matter but the thought of a = "Jaguar Only" tour peeked my interest. I for one will be disappointed if = it opens up to any and all British cars. I belong to the Okanagan = British Car Club and no one in that group has complained that it is not = for their marque and are very willing to help in any way they can. I have to ask, do we now feel that we will not get enough participation = if we do not allow other British marques into the tour? I for one do not = think this. My vote is to keep it as a "Jaguar Only" event. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. = Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a = British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are = welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people = to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis = for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said = that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It = was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a = salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars = that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this = at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a = Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); = but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is = quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car = owners? Bob, you can come out now. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few = months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put = it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it = (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. = the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3D94F.614B1460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What interested me most when I first = learned of the=20 tour was that it was fo "Jaguar Owners". There are numerous funcions = that can be=20 attended by British Cars and any other breeds for that matter but the = thought of=20 a "Jaguar Only" tour peeked my interest. I for one will be disappointed = if it=20 opens up to any and all British cars. I belong to the Okanagan British = Car Club=20 and no one in that group has complained that it is not for their marque = and are=20 very willing to help in any way they can.

I have to ask, do we now feel that we = will not get=20 enough participation if we do not allow other British marques into the = tour? I=20 for one do not think this.

My vote is to keep it as a "Jaguar = Only"=20 event.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 = 8:31=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

I suppose I will be the lone = curmudgeon again,=20 but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British = car tour.=20 If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car = enthusiasts are=20 welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar = people to=20 take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of=20 travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for = support=20 from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that = there are=20 frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR = run=20 that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient = point:=20 there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that = participate if it=20 is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A = last=20 minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one = thing (an=20 undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to = other=20 British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, = why=20 discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out=20 now.

 = = =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 3:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 101

As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I = know a few of=20 you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on = both=20 sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed = after=20 hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT = policy. =20 Note = that this is on=20 the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a = final=20 decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access = are those=20 on this list.

Now I'm going to=20 run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3D94F.614B1460-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 22:15:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (F. Ronald Rader) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:15:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <012e01c3d98e$2bcbb620$77214518@GREG> References: <012e01c3d98e$2bcbb620$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040112211236.034fdf68@webmail.interworld.net> --=====================_87782204==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed you are not alone. I agree 100% with what you said. thanks Ron Rader 1965 Austin Healey 1967 E FHC 1994 XJ6 I'll find something British to drive, but I want to be driving my E.! At 08:31 PM 1/12/2004, Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote: >I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. Either >this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a British car >tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are welcome, but this >then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people to take on the >burden of organisation; it also removes much of the pleasure of travelling >with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for support from >Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that there are >frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR run >that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient point: there is >no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that participate if it is >phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A last >minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one thing >(an undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to >other British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, >why discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out now. > Gregory > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob >To: JONAT MailList >Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM >Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 > >As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. > >Check out >http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm > >I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few >months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it >to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT >policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will >have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only >people with access are those on this list. > >Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... > >Bob England >'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >Route Coordinator >http://www.jonat.org > --=====================_87782204==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you are not alone.
I agree 100% with what you said.
thanks
Ron Rader
1965 Austin Healey
1967 E FHC
1994 XJ6
I'll find something British to drive, but I want to be driving my E.!

At 08:31 PM 1/12/2004, Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote:

I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out now.
 &nbs= p; &n= bsp; = Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101

As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of= controversy today.

Check out

http:= //jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know a few of you had some pretty strong= feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd= like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we= can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the= website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision= on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this= list.

Now I'm going to run away and hide until= the flames blow over ...

Bob England

'69 E-Type & '72= XJ6

Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)

Route Coordinator

http://www.jonat.org

--=====================_87782204==.ALT-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 22:26:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Hazel A. Beck) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:26:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <012e01c3d98e$2bcbb620$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <004201c3d995$d26e3be0$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D952.C285CC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, everyone...San Diego checking in... I agree with Gregory and others who want this tour kept Jaguar only...I = am planning to involve my local dealer in some of our festivities...and = also Jaguar North American Headquarters...my thought was that it was a = Jaguar event, not the British Car Owners North American Tour...happy to = have throngs of other car owners lining the route, cheering us on...but = the Jags are the stars on this tour... Hazel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. = Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a = British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are = welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people = to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis = for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said = that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It = was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a = salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars = that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this = at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a = Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); = but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is = quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car = owners? Bob, you can come out now. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few = months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put = it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it = (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. = the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D952.C285CC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, everyone...San = Diego checking=20 in...

I agree with Gregory = and others=20 who want this tour kept Jaguar only...I am planning to involve my local = dealer=20 in some of our festivities...and also Jaguar North American=20 Headquarters...my thought was that it was a Jaguar event, not the = British Car=20 Owners North American Tour...happy to have throngs of other car owners = lining=20 the route, cheering us on...but the Jags are the stars on this=20 tour...

Hazel

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 = 8:31=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

I suppose I will be the lone = curmudgeon again,=20 but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British = car tour.=20 If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car = enthusiasts are=20 welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar = people to=20 take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of=20 travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for = support=20 from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that = there are=20 frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR = run=20 that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient = point:=20 there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that = participate if it=20 is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A = last=20 minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one = thing (an=20 undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to = other=20 British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, = why=20 discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out=20 now.

 = = =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 3:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 101

As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I = know a few of=20 you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on = both=20 sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed = after=20 hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT = policy. =20 Note = that this is on=20 the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a = final=20 decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access = are those=20 on this list.

Now I'm going to=20 run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3D952.C285CC40-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 22:31:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Hazel A. Beck) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:31:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Another question Message-ID: <005301c3d996$833f6e80$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3D953.72F3D040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi...me, again...one of the Jaguar club members here wanted to know why = the JONAT hasn't been written up in the Jaguar Journal?...I know that it = is not a sanctioned event, but would JCNA be interested in publicizing = it, as it does involve Jaguar car owners... Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3D953.72F3D040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi...me, again...one = of the Jaguar=20 club members here wanted to know why the JONAT hasn't been written up in = the=20 Jaguar Journal?...I know that it is not a sanctioned event, but would = JCNA be=20 interested in publicizing it, as it does involve Jaguar car=20 owners...

Hazel

------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3D953.72F3D040-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 22:54:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:54:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <002101c3d992$6f978740$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3156796254_22011812 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My vote is it is a Jaguar event, allowing other B-car involvement only when absolutely required. Trey On 1/12/04 11:02 PM, "Barry La Pointe" wrote: > My vote is to keep it as a "Jaguar Only" event. --B_3156796254_22011812 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 My vote is it is a Jagu= ar event, allowing other B-car involvement only when absolutely required.
Trey

On 1/12/04 11:02 PM, "Barry La Pointe" <bpointe@telus.net> = wrote:

My vote is to keep it as a "Jaguar Only" event.

--B_3156796254_22011812-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 22:57:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:57:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D99A.2CB190B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, =20 I'd be a bit less strident than my friend Gregory, but not much. As it is the "Jaguar Owners" North American Tour I'd limit it to that. There may be those among us who own Jaguars that are not roadworthy. I would welcome them in another vehicle. I don't think non-Jaguar drivers are going to trek long distances with us, but joining us for a sector or two might inspire them to have their Jaguars ready for the next JONAT. Oh, I'd add a stipulation, that the non-Jaguars lead or follow any caravan of cats that might form, but avoid breaking up a procession if at all possible. That would be even more incentive to get their kitties purring for two years from now. =20 So, as for allowing owners of other marques to participate, I say no. Let them form their TONAT, MGONAT, MiniNAT, or even a BEANAT (British-European Auto North American Tour).=20 =20 Mark - AZ ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:46 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out now. Gregory =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob =20 To: JONAT MailList =20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. =20 Check out=20 =09 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm =20 I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. =20 Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D99A.2CB190B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,

I'd be a bit less strident than = my friend=20 Gregory,=20 but not much. As it is the "Jaguar Owners" North American Tour I'd = limit it=20 to that. There may be those among us who own Jaguars that are not=20 roadworthy. I would welcome them in another vehicle. I don't=20 think non-Jaguar drivers are going to trek long distances with = us, but=20 joining us for a sector or two might inspire them to have their Jaguars=20 ready for the next JONAT. Oh, I'd add a stipulation, that the=20 non-Jaguars lead or follow any caravan of cats that might form, but = avoid=20 breaking up a procession if at all possible. That would be even = more=20 incentive to get their kitties purring for two years from=20 now.

So, as = for allowing=20 owners of other marques to participate, I say no. Let them form their = TONAT,=20 MGONAT, MiniNAT, or even a BEANAT (British-European Auto North = American=20 Tour).

Mark -=20 AZ

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:46 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

I suppose I will be the lone = curmudgeon again,=20 but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British = car tour.=20 If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car = enthusiasts are=20 welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar = people to=20 take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of=20 travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for = support=20 from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that = there are=20 frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR = run=20 that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient = point:=20 there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that = participate if it=20 is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A = last=20 minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one = thing (an=20 undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to = other=20 British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, = why=20 discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out=20 now.

 = = =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob

To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 3:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 101

As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I = know a few of=20 you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on = both=20 sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed = after=20 hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT = policy. =20 Note = that this is on=20 the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a = final=20 decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access = are those=20 on this list.

Now I'm going to=20 run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D99A.2CB190B2-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 23:23:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (F. Ronald Rader) Date: Mon Jan 12 23:23:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Another question In-Reply-To: <005301c3d996$833f6e80$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> References: <005301c3d996$833f6e80$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040112222110.034df9a0@webmail.interworld.net> --=====================_91838636==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi: i am preparing an article for the JOC LA for the next issue. Ron At 09:31 PM 1/12/2004, Hazel A. Beck wrote: >Hi...me, again...one of the Jaguar club members here wanted to know why >the JONAT hasn't been written up in the Jaguar Journal?...I know that it >is not a sanctioned event, but would JCNA be interested in publicizing it, >as it does involve Jaguar car owners... > >Hazel > --=====================_91838636==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi: i am preparing an article for the JOC LA for the next issue.
Ron

At 09:31 PM 1/12/2004, Hazel A. Beck wrote:

Hi...me, again...one of the Jaguar club members here wanted to know why the JONAT hasn't been written up in the Jaguar Journal?...I know that it is not a sanctioned event, but would JCNA be interested in publicizing it, as it does involve Jaguar car owners...

Hazel

--=====================_91838636==.ALT-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 01:40:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Anthony W. (Tony) Parran) Date: Tue Jan 13 01:40:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WFd4OLVZf67KYDo93qpTUw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Bob: I�m not back peddling on what I said earlier, but when I joined I believe it stated somewhere on the website this was a JAUGAR owners tour and in smaller print, �other British cars included.� Too lazy to go find it. Anyway, I too am for a JAGUAR only format. But, , , , If this is a JAGUAR only tour in the first place, why the smaller print? Sort of like closing the barn door after the horse has been let loose. I guess it is time for me to put on my Kevlar suit now. Tony --Boundary_(ID_WFd4OLVZf67KYDo93qpTUw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Bob:

I’m not back peddling on what I said earlier, but when I joined I believe it stated somewhere on the website this was a JAUGAR owners tour and in smaller print, “other British cars included.”

Too lazy to go find it.

Anyway, I too am for a JAGUAR only format.

But, , , ,

If this is a JAGUAR only tour in the first place, why the smaller print? Sort of like closing the barn door after the horse has been let loose.

I guess it is time for me to put on my Kevlar suit now.

Tony

--Boundary_(ID_WFd4OLVZf67KYDo93qpTUw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 08:23:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Brad Preiss) Date: Tue Jan 13 08:23:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <1073949662.40032bde847ab@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: I agree with Craig - I would suspect there will be FEW non Jaguars in the convoy. Brad -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of talbotc@telus.net Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:21 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 I think that sounds reasonable, however I would limit the advertising/promotion to Jaguar venues, rather than advertising on an MG or Triumph list. As an example, I wouldn't want a Jaguar owner to be barred from the tour if his Jaguar is under repair/restoration, but he had a running MG. On the other hand, I wouldn't want the Jaguars to be outnumbered by the other British cars. As Gregory mentioned, it isn't the "MG owners Tour". I expect the non-Jaguar cars would be in the minority, and I don't have a problem if a TR6 is in a convoy of 50 Jaguars, as long as it doesn't become a covoy of 50 TR6's followed by a Jaguar. I have no idea of how to police that, however. Craig Quoting Bob : > As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. > > Check out > http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 20:27:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Tue Jan 13 20:27:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversey 101 Message-ID: <4004B624.8090704@jonat.org> I too beleive that it should be a Jaguar event with other cars only in an emergency -- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 06:10:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Phil Wert) Date: Wed Jan 14 06:10:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <012e01c3d98e$2bcbb620$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <00ad01c3daa3$1455d640$37112bd1@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C3DA79.2AE8BE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob: I am afraid that I have to agree with the "Doc"--either it is a Jaguar = tour or a British Car Tour. The very name of it says it is a Jaguar = Tour. Phil Wert ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. = Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a = British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are = welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people = to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis = for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said = that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It = was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a = salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars = that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this = at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a = Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); = but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is = quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car = owners? Bob, you can come out now. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few = months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put = it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it = (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. = the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C3DA79.2AE8BE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob:

I am afraid that I have to agree with = the=20 "Doc"--either it is a Jaguar tour or a British Car Tour. The very = name of=20 it says it is a Jaguar Tour.

Phil Wert

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 = 11:31=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

I suppose I will be the lone = curmudgeon again,=20 but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British = car tour.=20 If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car = enthusiasts are=20 welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar = people to=20 take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of=20 travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for = support=20 from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that = there are=20 frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR = run=20 that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient = point:=20 there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that = participate if it=20 is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A = last=20 minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one = thing (an=20 undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to = other=20 British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, = why=20 discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out=20 now.

= = =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 3:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 101

As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I = know a few of=20 you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on = both=20 sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed = after=20 hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT = policy. =20 Note = that this is on=20 the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a = final=20 decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access = are those=20 on this list.

Now I'm going to=20 run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C3DA79.2AE8BE60-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 08:35:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Wed Jan 14 08:35:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <005b01c3dab3$c9d0a080$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3DA81.7EE24420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Checking in late on this issue as I was away. However, having reviewed = all other email on this topic I was impressed with the consensus = argument of "Jaguar only". =20 BUT I think it is wise to allow a Jag owner to be able to drive another = British car if his Jag is non-running as several members stated. ( So = there may be some non-Jaguar cars, likely British and keeping in flavour = of the event.) =20 Also as long as we promote JAGUAR and get endorsements from Jaguar = Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" event. Should another British = car show up on a sector for reasons we have already stated I don't think = it would upset anyone in my sector including the Jaguar Dealer.=20 It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots of great Jaguar cars, Jaguar = enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar convoys... with a few guests = (poor cousins, but still in the family) from time-to time. Ian Bailey Saskatchewan Sector '70 E-Type ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few = months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put = it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it = (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. = the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3DA81.7EE24420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Checking in late on this issue as I was = away.=20 However, having reviewed all other email on this topic I was impressed = with the=20 consensus argument of "Jaguar only".

BUT I think it is wise = to allow a=20 Jag owner to be able to drive another British car if his Jag is = non-running as=20 several members stated. ( So there may be some non-Jaguar cars, likely = British=20 and keeping in flavour of the event.)

Also as long as we promote JAGUAR and = get=20 endorsements from Jaguar Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" event. = Should=20 another British car show up on a sector for reasons we have already = stated I=20 don't think it would upset anyone in my sector including the Jaguar = Dealer.=20

It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots of = great Jaguar=20 cars, Jaguar enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar = convoys... with a few=20 guests (poor cousins, but still in the family) from time-to = time.

Ian Bailey

Saskatchewan Sector

'70 E-Type

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 = 5:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 101

As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I = know a few of=20 you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on = both sides=20 of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after = hearing=20 everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. = Note that this = is on the=20 website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final = decision=20 on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on = this=20 list.

Now = I'm going to=20 run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3DA81.7EE24420-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 19:58:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:58:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) - Minnesota In-Reply-To: <004c01c3dab9$d40e2e90$0301a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3DAE0.F712CDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick The question of people driving through the sector has come up a number of times, and I've had a chance to give it a lot of thought (a lot of thought but no definitive answer). I depends largely on how much PR is out there to gain interest in the tour ... the PR is a two pronged affair, with JONAT central doing the national PR, and the Sector Coordinator and his/her committee doing the local PR. As an example, our local sector, in the middle of the lightly populated Canadian prairies, is expecting 25 to 50 cars. I figure if we can do this here, the more populated areas of the continent should be able to scare up quite a few more. Having said that, why not start with a number of say 50, and use this as a starting point. You should be able to gauge interest as time goes on. I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to post this to the [JONAT] SC forum as I don;t think this topic has come up in the last month or so. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: Richard Jones [mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com] Sent: January 14, 2004 10:17 AM To: Bob Cc: Tim Morris; George Arthur; Peter Griffin; Alan Heartfield Subject: Re: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) - Minnesota Bob, On behalf of Jaguar Minnesota, it is a pleasure to serve as Minnesota Sector Coordinator; George Arthur will be Assistant Sector Coordinator. The Board of Directors of the Jaguar Club of Minnesota is fully behind this project and is in the process of informing the total membership of this exciting event. One of our first tasks will be to update the tour route through this sector to take advantage of the beautiful scenic areas offered by the "Land of 10,000 Lakes". I will be contacting Alan Heartfield in Winnipeg and Tim Morris in Wisconsin Rapids -- with their assistance, our route committee should be able to come up with an optimized route that will insure a great driving experience and smooth hand-offs between the sectors. As a rough approximation -- about how many cars would you predict would be driving through the Minnesota sector? Best regards, Dick ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3DAE0.F712CDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dick

The question of = people driving=20 through the sector has come up a number of times, and I've had a chance = to give=20 it a lot of thought (a lot of thought but no definitive answer). I = depends=20 largely on how much PR is out there to gain interest in the tour ... the = PR is a=20 two pronged affair, with JONAT central doing the national PR, and the = Sector=20 Coordinator and his/her committee doing the local = PR.

As an = example, our local=20 sector, in the middle of the lightly populated Canadian prairies, is = expecting=20 25 to 50 cars. I figure if we can do this here, the more = populated=20 areas of the continent should be able to scare up quite a few=20 more.

Having said that, = why not start=20 with a number of say 50, and use this as a starting point. You = should be=20 able to gauge interest as time goes on.

I hope you don't = mind, but I'm=20 going to post this to the [JONAT] SC forum as I don;t think this topic = has come=20 up in the last month or so.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's = North American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Jones=20 [mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com]
Sent: January 14, 2004 10:17=20 AM
To: Bob
Cc: Tim Morris; George Arthur; Peter = Griffin;=20 Alan Heartfield
Subject: Re: Jaguar Owners North American Tour = (JONAT)=20 - Minnesota

Bob,

On behalf of Jaguar Minnesota, it is a pleasure to = serve as=20 Minnesota Sector Coordinator; George Arthur will be = Assistant Sector=20 Coordinator. The Board of Directors of the Jaguar Club of = Minnesota is=20 fully behind this project and is in the process of informing the total = membership of this exciting event. One of our first tasks will = be to=20 update the tour route through this sector to take advantage of = the=20 beautiful scenic areas offered by the "Land of 10,000 = Lakes". =20 I will be contacting Alan Heartfield in Winnipeg and Tim Morris = in=20 Wisconsin Rapids -- with their assistance, our route = committee should be=20 able to come up with an optimized route that will insure a great = driving=20 experience and smooth hand-offs between the sectors. As a = rough=20 approximation -- about how many cars would you predict would be = driving=20 through the Minnesota sector?

Best regards,

Dick

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3DAE0.F712CDC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 20:11:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:11:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) - Minnesota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3156959229_31746466 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Bob, I agree but I disagree. Sort-of. I find it unlikely that locals in any reigon will attend their entire reigon. Rather, they should be using it as a starting or finishing point on their destination. This makes the numbers very hard to figure! Better to get numbers from the preceding coordinator, yes? And do we have a place for us to see entrant=B9s registration and expected length of travel? That would be the best guide. Trey PS=8BI believe that Scott Simmons is now my official assistant coordinator. On 1/14/04 8:57 PM, "Bob" wrote: > The question of people driving through the sector has come up a number of > times, and I've had a chance to give it a lot of thought (a lot of though= t but > no definitive answer). I depends largely on how much PR is out there to = gain > interest in the tour ... the PR is a two pronged affair, with JONAT centr= al > doing the national PR, and the Sector Coordinator and his/her committee d= oing > the local PR. --B_3156959229_31746466 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) - Minnesot= a Bob,

I agree but I disagree. Sort-of. I find it unlikely that locals= in any reigon will attend their entire reigon. Rather, they should be= using it as a starting or finishing point on their destination. This = makes the numbers very hard to figure! Better to get numbers from the = preceding coordinator, yes? And do we have a place for us to see entra= nt’s registration and expected length of travel? That would be t= he best guide.

Trey

PS—I believe that Scott Simmons is now my official assistant coordina= tor.

On 1/14/04 8:57 PM, "Bob" <engl@accesscomm.ca> wrote:

The question of people driving through the sector has come up a number of= times, and I've had a chance to give it a lot of thought (a lot of thought = but no definitive answer). I depends largely on how much PR is out the= re to gain interest in the tour ... the PR is a two pronged affair, with JON= AT central doing the national PR, and the Sector Coordinator and his/her com= mittee doing the local PR.

--B_3156959229_31746466-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 20:13:22 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:13:22 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT-chat mailing list Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3DAE3.16DC17E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who have not already subscribed to the [JONAT-chat] mailing list, I have added your names to the list. For those new SC's and ASC's, it is the participants list, as opposed to the SC and ASC [JONAT] list. I am hoping this is not a problem with anyone, as this forum is to allow participants to give us some feedback. Also, please let me know if you get double e-mails from this list - that is something I can correct. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3DAE3.16DC17E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For = those of you who=20 have not already subscribed to the [JONAT-chat] mailing list, I have = added your=20 names to the list. For those new SC's and ASC's, it is the = participants=20 list, as opposed to the SC and ASC [JONAT] list. I am hoping this = is not a=20 problem with anyone, as this forum is to allow participants to give us = some=20 feedback.

Also, = please let me=20 know if you get double e-mails from this list - that is something I can=20 correct.

Bob England
'69=20 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour = (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3DAE3.16DC17E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 20:40:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (D & B Cooke) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:40:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT-chat mailing list References: Message-ID: <400609E9.00000B.03828@REC-ROOM> --Boundary_(ID_BSpzwgGA9RIJfyZuMW/puw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fawDnastDJuy2NOEgscVyw)" --Boundary_(ID_fawDnastDJuy2NOEgscVyw) Content-type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob; I see there is a JONAT section on the Jagboard Discussion Forum at this site: http://www.thejagboard.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=JONAT but it has not been used since November. I like the Web-based discussion format better than straight e-mail because I find that it easier to keep track of threads with that method. Is there an "official" and current JONAT Web-based Forum? Thanks Dave Cooke Assistant Coordinator Victoria -Vancouver Sector -------Original Message------- From: jonat@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:13:01 PM To: JONAT MailList Subject: [JONAT] JONAT-chat mailing list For those of you who have not already subscribed to the [JONAT-chat] mailing list, I have added your names to the list. For those new SC's and ASC's, it is the participants list, as opposed to the SC and ASC [JONAT] list. I am hoping this is not a problem with anyone, as this forum is to allow participants to give us some feedback. Also, please let me know if you get double e-mails from this list - that is something I can correct. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org --Boundary_(ID_fawDnastDJuy2NOEgscVyw) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Bob;

I see there is a JONAT section on the Jagboard Discussion Forum at this site:

http://www.thejagboard.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=JONAT but it has not been used since November.

I like the Web-based discussion format better than straight e-mail because I find that it easier to keep track of threads with that method. Is there an "official" and current JONAT Web-based Forum?

Thanks

Dave Cooke

Assistant Coordinator

Victoria -Vancouver Sector

-------Original Message-------

From: jonat@autox.team.net

Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:13:01 PM

To: JONAT MailList

Subject: [JONAT] JONAT-chat mailing list

For those of you who have not already subscribed to the [JONAT-chat] mailing list, I have added your names to the list. For those new SC's and ASC's, it is the participants list, as opposed to the SC and ASC [JONAT] list. I am hoping this is not a problem with anyone, as this forum is to allow participants to give us some feedback.

Also, please let me know if you get double e-mails from this list - that is something I can correct.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

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IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --Boundary_(ID_fawDnastDJuy2NOEgscVyw)-- --Boundary_(ID_BSpzwgGA9RIJfyZuMW/puw) Content-id: <4FBBA46E-B709-4239-9CE1-8A473BF4B568> Content-type: image/gif; name=IMSTP.gif Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=IMSTP.gif R0lGODlhFAAPALMIAP9gAM9gAM8vAM9gL/+QL5AvAGAvAP9gL////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh+QQJFAAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEVRDJSaudJuudrxlEKI6B URlCUYyjKpgYAKSgOBSCDEuGDKgrAtC3Q/R+hkPJEDgYCjpKr5A8WK9OaPFZwHoPqm3366VKyeRt E30tVVRscMHDqV/u+AgAIfkEBWQACAAsAAAAABQADwAABBIQyUmrvTjrzbv/YCiOZGmeaAQAIfkE CRQACAAsAgABABAADQAABEoQIUOrpXIOwrsPxiQUheeRAgUA49YNhbCqK1kS9grQhXGAhsDBUJgZ AL2Dcqkk7ogFpvRAokSn0p4PO6UIuUsQggSmFjKXdAgRAQAh+QQFCgAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEEhDJ Sau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oBAAh+QQJFAAIACwCAAEAEAANAAAEShAhQ6ulcg7Cuw/GJBSF55ECBQDj 1g2FsKorWRL2CtCFcYCGwMFQmBkAvYNyqSTuiAWm9ECiRKfSng87pQi5SxCCBKYWMpd0CBEBACH5 BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs= --Boundary_(ID_BSpzwgGA9RIJfyZuMW/puw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 20:44:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:44:01 2004 Subject: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3DAE7.55802D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) - MinnesotaTrey You are right in that getting the registration process up and running is the best way to tell numbers in any sector. I think Jamie or Greg M. was going to set something up once we had a few things ironed out on the $ side of things. By copy of this note maybe they can let us know if anything has been started as of yet. PS- let me know Scott's e-mail address ... Thanks ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jagboard Administrator Sent: January 14, 2004 9:07 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota Bob, I agree but I disagree. Sort-of. I find it unlikely that locals in any reigon will attend their entire reigon. Rather, they should be using it as a starting or finishing point on their destination. This makes the numbers very hard to figure! Better to get numbers from the preceding coordinator, yes? And do we have a place for us to see entrant�s registration and expected length of travel? That would be the best guide. Trey PS�I believe that Scott Simmons is now my official assistant coordinator. On 1/14/04 8:57 PM, "Bob" wrote: The question of people driving through the sector has come up a number of times, and I've had a chance to give it a lot of thought (a lot of thought but no definitive answer). I depends largely on how much PR is out there to gain interest in the tour ... the PR is a two pronged affair, with JONAT central doing the national PR, and the Sector Coordinator and his/her committee doing the local PR. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3DAE7.55802D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour = (JONAT) - Minnesota

Trey

You=20 are right in that getting the registration process up and running is the = best=20 way to tell numbers in any sector. I think Jamie or Greg M. was = going to=20 set something up once we had a few things ironed out on the $ side of=20 things. By copy of this note maybe they can let us know if = anything has=20 been started as of yet.

PS-=20 let me know Scott's e-mail address ... Thanks ...

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jagboard=20 Administrator
Sent: January 14, 2004 9:07 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners = North=20 American Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota

Bob,

I agree but I = disagree.=20 Sort-of. I find it unlikely that locals in any reigon will = attend=20 their entire reigon. Rather, they should be using it as a starting = or=20 finishing point on their destination. This makes the numbers very = hard to=20 figure! Better to get numbers from the preceding coordinator, yes? = And do we have a place for us to see entrant=92s registration and = expected=20 length of travel? That would be the best = guide.

Trey

PS=97I=20 believe that Scott Simmons is now my official assistant = coordinator.

On=20 1/14/04 8:57 PM, "Bob" <engl@accesscomm.ca> = wrote:

The = question of=20 people driving through the sector has come up a number of times, and = I've had=20 a chance to give it a lot of thought (a lot of thought but no = definitive=20 answer). I depends largely on how much PR is out there to gain = interest=20 in the tour ... the PR is a two pronged affair, with JONAT central = doing the=20 national PR, and the Sector Coordinator and his/her committee doing = the local=20 PR.

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3DAE7.55802D70-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 20:59:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:59:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT-chat mailing list In-Reply-To: <400609E9.00000B.03828@REC-ROOM> Message-ID: The only "official" discussion lists are the [JONAT] and [JONAT-chat] lists. I think the Jagboard list was set up as an interim thing, but did not seem to be getting much use, so we switched to the e-mail forums. I must admit not being familiar with the web-based forum idea. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of D & B Cooke Sent: January 14, 2004 9:33 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT-chat mailing list Bob; I see there is a JONAT section on the Jagboard Discussion Forum at this site: http://www.thejagboard.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=JONAT but it has not been used since November. I like the Web-based discussion format better than straight e-mail because I find that it easier to keep track of threads with that method. Is there an "official" and current JONAT Web-based Forum? Thanks Dave Cooke Assistant Coordinator Victoria -Vancouver Sector From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 21:05:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 14 21:05:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Another question In-Reply-To: <005301c3d996$833f6e80$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C3DAEA.5C0E7680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel One of the items that we have to work on is getting the word out. I have sent off a bunch of the December press releases to some of the print media in North America and England, Jamie and Fazal were going to send information to some of the other "stakeholders" (I hate that word!) I'll check with them and see if something was sent to to the Journal. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hazel A. Beck Sent: January 12, 2004 11:32 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Another question Hi...me, again...one of the Jaguar club members here wanted to know why the JONAT hasn't been written up in the Jaguar Journal?...I know that it is not a sanctioned event, but would JCNA be interested in publicizing it, as it does involve Jaguar car owners... Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C3DAEA.5C0E7680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hazel

One of=20 the items that we have to work on is getting the word out. I have = sent off=20 a bunch of the December press releases to some of the print media in = North=20 America and England, Jamie and Fazal were going to send information to = some of=20 the other "stakeholders" (I hate that word!) I'll check with them = and see=20 if something was sent to to the Journal.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hazel A.=20 Beck
Sent: January 12, 2004 11:32 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Another=20 question

Hi...me, again...one = of the Jaguar=20 club members here wanted to know why the JONAT hasn't been written up in = the=20 Jaguar Journal?...I know that it is not a sanctioned event, but would = JCNA be=20 interested in publicizing it, as it does involve Jaguar car=20 owners...

Hazel

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C3DAEA.5C0E7680-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 23:21:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Wed Jan 14 23:21:01 2004 Subject: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3156970631_32476057 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Bob, you should know that Scott and I have talked about it but he has not actually =B3accepted=B2 the position. I will shoot him an e-mail right now and post back. Meanwhile, for your records. . . . scott simmons Trey On 1/14/04 9:42 PM, "Bob" wrote: >=20 > =20 > PS- let me know Scott's e-mail address ... Thanks ... > =20 > Bob=20 >=20 --B_3156970631_32476057 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North Am= erican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota
Bob, you should know that Scott and I have talked about it but he has not a= ctually “accepted” the position. I will shoot him an e-mai= l right now and post back. Meanwhile, for your records. . . .

scott simmons <srs_1967@hotmail.com>

Trey

On 1/14/04 9:42 PM, "Bob" <engl@accesscomm.ca> wrote:

PS- let me know Scott's e-mail address ... Thanks ...

Bob

--B_3156970631_32476057-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 02:27:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu Jan 15 02:27:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB49.C396A552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a British Car. If the person owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last minute or it just isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my opinion. I may be in the minority on this one, though. =20 Mark - AZ ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 Checking in late on this issue as I was away. However, having reviewed all other email on this topic I was impressed with the consensus argument of "Jaguar only". =20 BUT I think it is wise to allow a Jag owner to be able to drive another British car if his Jag is non-running as several members stated. ( So there may be some non-Jaguar cars, likely British and keeping in flavour of the event.) =20 =20 Also as long as we promote JAGUAR and get endorsements from Jaguar Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" event. Should another British car show up on a sector for reasons we have already stated I don't think it would upset anyone in my sector including the Jaguar Dealer.=20 =20 It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots of great Jaguar cars, Jaguar enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar convoys... with a few guests (poor cousins, but still in the family) from time-to time. =20 Ian Bailey Saskatchewan Sector '70 E-Type ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob =20 To: JONAT MailList =20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. =20 Check out=20 =09 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm =20 I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. =20 Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB49.C396A552 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a British = Car. If the=20 person owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last minute or it = just=20 isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my opinion. I = may be=20 in the minority on this one, though.

Mark - AZ

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian=20 Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 = AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

Checking in late on this issue as I = was away.=20 However, having reviewed all other email on this topic I was impressed = with=20 the consensus argument of "Jaguar only".

BUT I think it is = wise to allow=20 a Jag owner to be able to drive another British car if his Jag is = non-running=20 as several members stated. ( So there may be some non-Jaguar cars, = likely=20 British and keeping in flavour of the event.)

Also as long as we promote JAGUAR and = get=20 endorsements from Jaguar Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" = event. Should=20 another British car show up on a sector for reasons we have already = stated I=20 don't think it would upset anyone in my sector including the Jaguar = Dealer.=20

It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots of = great Jaguar=20 cars, Jaguar enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar = convoys... with a=20 few guests (poor cousins, but still in the family) from time-to=20 time.

Ian Bailey

Saskatchewan Sector

'70 E-Type

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 5:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 101

As = promised, I'm=20 throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I = know a few of=20 you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on = both=20 sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed = after=20 hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT = policy. =20 Note = that this is on=20 the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a = final=20 decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access = are those=20 on this list.

Now I'm going to=20 run away and hide until the flames blow over ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB49.C396A552-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 02:32:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu Jan 15 02:32:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB4A.7C1A227A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trey's on to something here. Perhaps we could have an admin only access area that lists who's registered and what sectors they are planning to take. I know one person who's planning to pick up the route in Denver and drive until his car breaks down. A club member and I are planning to do Colorado and Arizona. (I'd do more if it wasn't college reunion year.) =20 Mark - AZ ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jagboard Administrator Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:16 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota =09 =09 Bob, =09 I agree but I disagree. Sort-of. I find it unlikely that locals in any reigon will attend their entire reigon. Rather, they should be using it as a starting or finishing point on their destination. This makes the numbers very hard to figure! Better to get numbers from the preceding coordinator, yes? And do we have a place for us to see entrant's registration and expected length of travel? That would be the best guide. =09 Trey =09 PS-I believe that Scott Simmons is now my official assistant coordinator. =09 On 1/14/04 8:57 PM, "Bob" wrote: =09 =09 The question of people driving through the sector has come up a number of times, and I've had a chance to give it a lot of thought (a lot of thought but no definitive answer). I depends largely on how much PR is out there to gain interest in the tour ... the PR is a two pronged affair, with JONAT central doing the national PR, and the Sector Coordinator and his/her committee doing the local PR. =09 =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB4A.7C1A227A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour = (JONAT) - Minnesota

Trey's on to something here. Perhaps we could = have an admin=20 only access area that lists who's registered and what sectors they are = planning=20 to take. I know one person who's planning to pick up the route in Denver = and=20 drive until his car breaks down. A club member and I are planning to=20 do Colorado and Arizona. (I'd do more if it wasn't college reunion=20 year.)

Mark - AZ

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jagboard=20 Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:16=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] = RE:=20 Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) = -Minnesota

Bob,

I=20 agree but I disagree. Sort-of. I find it unlikely that = locals in=20 any reigon will attend their entire reigon. Rather, they should = be using=20 it as a starting or finishing point on their destination. This = makes the=20 numbers very hard to figure! Better to get numbers from the = preceding=20 coordinator, yes? And do we have a place for us to see = entrant’s=20 registration and expected length of travel? That would be the = best=20 guide.

Trey

PS—I believe that Scott Simmons is now = my official=20 assistant coordinator.

On 1/14/04 8:57 PM, "Bob"=20 <engl@accesscomm.ca> wrote:

The = question of=20 people driving through the sector has come up a number of times, and = I've=20 had a chance to give it a lot of thought (a lot of thought but no = definitive=20 answer). I depends largely on how much PR is out there to gain = interest in the tour ... the PR is a two pronged affair, with JONAT = central=20 doing the national PR, and the Sector Coordinator and his/her = committee=20 doing the local PR.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB4A.7C1A227A-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 03:12:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Jan 15 03:12:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <012e01c3d98e$2bcbb620$77214518@GREG> <00ad01c3daa3$1455d640$37112bd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001501c3db4f$d34e01b0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3DBAC.067E3C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree, I think we should stick to officially Jags only with any 'camp = followers' to the rear of any and every cavalcade. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Phil Wert=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Bob: I am afraid that I have to agree with the "Doc"--either it is a Jaguar = tour or a British Car Tour. The very name of it says it is a Jaguar = Tour. Phil Wert ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. = Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a = British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are = welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people = to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the = pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis = for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said = that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It = was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a = salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars = that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this = at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a = Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); = but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is = quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car = owners? Bob, you can come out now. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a = few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and = put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an = official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no = links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is = made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3DBAC.067E3C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree, I think we should stick = to officially=20 Jags only with any 'camp followers' to the rear of any and every=20 cavalcade.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Phil = Wert=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, = 2004 12:34=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Bob:

I am afraid that I have to agree with = the=20 "Doc"--either it is a Jaguar tour or a British Car Tour. The = very name=20 of it says it is a Jaguar Tour.

Phil Wert

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 11:31=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

I suppose I will be the lone = curmudgeon again,=20 but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British = car=20 tour. If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car=20 enthusiasts are welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus = for us=20 Jaguar people to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes = much of=20 the pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of=20 the basis for support from Jaguar-related organisations = (and it=20 should be said that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs = and=20 organisations. It was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig=20 Talbot has mentioned a salient point: there is no way of = limiting the=20 number of Marque X cars that participate if it is phrased this way. = I see no=20 rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use = of=20 another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there = will be=20 some of these); but an open invitation to other British car owners = to=20 participate is quite another thing. And then, why discriminate = against=20 Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out now.

= =20 = =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob=20
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 3:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

As promised,=20 I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know a few=20 of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months = ago, on=20 both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to = bed=20 after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT=20 policy. Note=20 that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have = none=20 until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only = people=20 with access are those on this = list.

Now I'm going=20 to run away and hide until the flames blow over = ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
=

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3DBAC.067E3C60-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 03:15:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Jan 15 03:15:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Another question References: Message-ID: <003f01c3db50$4fe57410$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3DBAC.831EFD90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been looking after the 'outside USA' area so I'm not sure if its = been done. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Another question Hazel One of the items that we have to work on is getting the word out. I = have sent off a bunch of the December press releases to some of the = print media in North America and England, Jamie and Fazal were going to = send information to some of the other "stakeholders" (I hate that word!) = I'll check with them and see if something was sent to to the Journal. Bob=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of Hazel A. Beck Sent: January 12, 2004 11:32 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Another question Hi...me, again...one of the Jaguar club members here wanted to know = why the JONAT hasn't been written up in the Jaguar Journal?...I know = that it is not a sanctioned event, but would JCNA be interested in = publicizing it, as it does involve Jaguar car owners... Hazel ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3DBAC.831EFD90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've been looking after the 'outside = USA' area so=20 I'm not sure if its been done.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, = 2004 3:04=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Another=20 question

Hazel

One=20 of the items that we have to work on is getting the word out. I = have=20 sent off a bunch of the December press releases to some of the print = media in=20 North America and England, Jamie and Fazal were going to send = information to=20 some of the other "stakeholders" (I hate that word!) I'll check = with=20 them and see if something was sent to to the = Journal.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hazel A.=20 Beck
Sent: January 12, 2004 11:32 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] Another=20 question

Hi...me, again...one = of the=20 Jaguar club members here wanted to know why the JONAT hasn't been = written up=20 in the Jaguar Journal?...I know that it is not a sanctioned event, but = would=20 JCNA be interested in publicizing it, as it does involve Jaguar car=20 owners...

Hazel

------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3DBAC.831EFD90-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 03:20:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Jan 15 03:20:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Fw: Brand New Cars for a Brand New Year - January 2004 Message-ID: <006e01c3db50$f2984d40$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3DBAD.25DAD770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Motorcars LTD Monthly Email NewsletterThought some may have missed it. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Motorcars LTD=20 To: fazalc@usa.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: Brand New Cars for a Brand New Year - January 2004 =20 =20 =20 Table of Contents Brand New Cars for a Brand New Year - January 2004 .Motorcars LTD News: 2004 Detroit Auto Show .Jaguar Owner's Driving Tour .Tech Tip: Distinguishing Range Rover CV Joints .Featured Products: Vehicle Accessories! .British Motorcar Events Motorcars LTD News 2004 Detroit Auto Show The Grand Daddy of car shows doesn't disappoint. The new year has officially begun - at least for car = enthusiasts. The Detroit Auto Show, arguably the biggest car event of = the year, has ushered in 2004. The industry sneak peak showed nearly 50 = new production models and concept cars on display. If the Detroit show = is any indication, the coming months will be filled with innovative = designs and stiff competition. Ford introduced several new designs from = their Premier Automotive Group (which includes Jaguar, Land Rover, = Volvo, and Aston Martin). Check out the links below for a new production = Jaguar and Land Rover's first concept car ever!=20 Land Rover Range Stormer Concept = http://autoshow.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/page034.html?ti= d=3Dedmunds.e.autoshow..leftnav.35.*=20 2005 Jaguar S-Type = http://autoshow.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/page041.html?ti= d=3Dedmunds.e.autoshow..leftnav.42.*=20 Jaguar Owner's Driving Tour In the coming months, the road trip to end all road trips will = be taking place throughout North America. Starting in mid-April, the = tour will circumnavigate the continent in about 2 1/2 months, ending on = July 7. The tour will begin and end in Orlando, Florida and make its way = through Texas, Colorado, up the West coast, into Canada, through = Illinois, into Maine, and back down the East coast. It will be divided = into "Sectors", which break the 2 1/2 month tour up into manageable day = trips. Jaguar owners can join the tour for the full trip or take part in = as many or as few sectors as desired. The tour is organized and run by = JONAT, and a few Sector Coordinators are still needed to help organize = things. Interested organizers or participants can learn more at = http://jonat.org/.=20 Tech Tip of the Month Range Rover CV Joints How to Tell Range Rover CV Joints Apart=20 Click the link below for this month's tech tip. = http://www.motorcarsltd.com/technician-tips.htm=20 Featured Products Vehicle Accessories! We've got the cool stuff to outfit your Jaguar or Land Rover. WIPAC 100W, 8" 4x4 Halogen lamps=20 IN106401 Features: - High Power, 100W, 8" Diameter Halogen Lamps - Fits all 12-Volt Vehicles - Black body with Chrome Rim - Easy Installation - Universal Fitting - Armoured Cable - Fitted Plastic Stone Guard More Pictures =20 =20 Standard Roof Rack=20 Luggage carrier for Land Rover Discovery or Range Rover = Classic.=20 IN105724 Discovery II Brush Bar=20 IN105827 Range Rover 4.0 and 4.6 SE and HSE Running Boards=20 Enhance your ride with these handsome running boards and = gain a step up into your Land Rover Range Rover 4.0 or 4.6 SE or HSE. IN105723 =20 Jaguar - Alpine 6 CD Magazine Music storage for XJ40 and = XJS =20 IN102050=20 Jaguar Gear Shift Knob Burr Walnut=20 =20 XJ6 1988-1994: IN105353=20 XJ6 1995-1997: IN105811=20 Connolly Leather Care Kit=20 Keep your leather interior looking like new. =20 IN104672=20 =20 Browse the website for more great gifts! http://www.motorcarsltd.com/gifts/gifts.htm=20 Hard to Find Accessories - We've got 'em! Having been in the British car parts business for over 30 = years, we have quite a collection of hard to find and one of a kind = parts. If you need that special accessory or part for your Jaguar or = Land Rover vehicle, give us a call. Even if it's not in our online = catalog, there's a chance that we've got it up in the dusty attic. We = also feature some of these items in our Ebay auctions. Visit Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/id=3D15318488&ssPageName=3DL2 or contact us 800-231-6563 | info@motorcarsltd.com=20 =20 British Motorcar Events Jan 17: Old North State LRS Caney Fork Trail Ride http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/adventure/advstart.html=20 Jan 17: San Antonio Jaguar Club Luckenbach Rallye http://www.sajaguarclub.org/=20 Jan 17: Arizona LRO Sycamore Creek Trail = http://www.azlro.org/adventure.php?sid=3Dupcoming&pageTitle=3Dupcoming%20= adventures=20 Feb 1-2: Carolina Rovers Hurrican Creek Trail Ride = http://www.carolinarovers.org/events/hurricanecreek/HurricaneCreek03.htm = Feb 7-8: Houston Land Rover Club Sugarloaf Campout http://www.houstonlandroverclub.com/events.html=20 Feb 14-15: Jagaur Owner's Club Return to Capistrano Rallye http://www.lajagclub.com/calendar.htm=20 Mar 11-14: JCNA 46th Annual General Meeting http://www.jcna.com/library/agm/2004/index.html=20 Mar 20: BMCNO New Orleans British Car Day http://www.bmcno.org/Show04/Carshow.htm=20 Apr 14 - July 7: Jaguar Owners North American Tour http://jonat.org/bob/jonat.htm=20 Mid May: Oklahoma Rovers Moab Expedition http://www.okoffroad.com/okrovers/main.htm=20 Email us your club events for FREE inclusion in our monthly = newsletter.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now selling MORE than just Jaguar and Land Rover! Did you know that we own and operate another great website that = provides Acura, BMW, Honda, Infiniti, Mazda, MG, Mitsubishi, Toyota, and = Volkswagon parts? And that's not even half of it! Visit our sister site = at www.motorcars-ltd.com for all of your import car parts. Buy your = parts from the name you know and trust, Motorcars LTD.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the Motorcars LTD Enthusiast Team, until next time, "The sun never sets on the British motorcar Keep'em rolling wherever you are." Jaguar Specialist: Ken Karr, 800-338-5238 ext. 626 Land Rover Specialist: Mike Gallagher, ext. 525 Import Car Specialist: Alan Stiger, ext. 576 Club Program Liaison: Mark McDavid, ext. 134 And last but not least, Master Tech and Forums Moderator Phil = Prince, http://www.motorcars-ltd.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi =20 Thank you for helping to make this the largest newsletter for British car enthusiasts on the Internet! www.motorcarsltd.com . 800-338-5238 info@motorcarsltd.com =20 Since 1972, Motorcars LTD has been a leading source of OEM, = aftermarket, remanufactured and salvage parts for British motorcars, = helping enthusiasts enjoy their fine Jaguars and Land Rovers. Visit our = original British web site at http://www.motorcarsltd.com/.=20 =20 =20 Update your profile or unsubscribe here.=20 Delivered by Topica Email Publisher ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3DBAD.25DAD770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Motorcars LTD Monthly Email Newsletter

Thought some may have missed = it.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Motorcars = LTD

To: fazalc@usa.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:41 AM

Subject: Brand New Cars for a Brand New Year - January=20 2004

Table of Contents
Brand New Cars for a Brand New Year = -=20 January 2004
=95Motorcars LTD News: 2004 Detroit Auto=20 Show
=95Jaguar Owner's Driving Tour
=95Tech Tip: = Distinguishing Range=20 Rover CV Joints
=95Featured Products: Vehicle = Accessories!
=95British=20 Motorcar Events

Motorcars LTD News
2004 Detroit Auto=20 Show
The Grand Daddy of car shows doesn't=20 disappoint.
The new year has officially begun - at least = for car=20 enthusiasts. The Detroit Auto Show, arguably the biggest car = event of=20 the year, has ushered in 2004. The industry sneak peak showed = nearly 50=20 new production models and concept cars on display. If the = Detroit show=20 is any indication, the coming months will be filled with = innovative=20 designs and stiff competition. Ford introduced several new = designs from=20 their Premier Automotive Group (which includes Jaguar, Land = Rover,=20 Volvo, and Aston Martin). Check out the links below for a new = production=20 Jaguar and Land Rover's first concept car ever!

Land = Rover=20 Range Stormer Concept http://auto= show.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/page034.html?tid=3Dedmunds= .e.autoshow..leftnav.35.*=20

2005 Jaguar S-Type http://auto= show.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/page041.html?tid=3Dedmunds= .e.autoshow..leftnav.42.*=20

Jaguar Owner's Driving Tour
In the = coming=20 months, the road trip to end all road trips will be taking place = throughout North America. Starting in mid-April, the tour will=20 circumnavigate the continent in about 2 1/2 months, ending on = July 7.=20 The tour will begin and end in Orlando, Florida and make its way = through=20 Texas, Colorado, up the West coast, into Canada, through = Illinois, into=20 Maine, and back down the East coast. It will be divided into = "Sectors",=20 which break the 2 1/2 month tour up into manageable day trips. = Jaguar=20 owners can join the tour for the full trip or take part in as = many or as=20 few sectors as desired. The tour is organized and run by JONAT, = and a=20 few Sector Coordinators are still needed to help organize = things.=20 Interested organizers or participants can learn more at http://jonat.org/.

Tech Tip of the Month
Range Rover CV Joints
How to Tell Range = Rover CV=20 Joints Apart

Click the link below for this month's tech = tip. http://w= ww.motorcarsltd.com/technician-tips.htm=20

Featured Products
Vehicle Accessories!
We've got the cool stuff = to=20 outfit your Jaguar or Land Rover.

WIPAC 100W, = 8"
4x4=20 Halogen lamps

IN106401

Features:
-=20 High Power, 100W, 8" Diameter Halogen Lamps
- Fits all = 12-Volt=20 Vehicles
- Black body with Chrome Rim
- Easy=20 Installation
- Universal Fitting
- Armoured = Cable
-=20 Fitted Plastic Stone Guard

More = Pictures

=

Standard Roof = Rack=20
Luggage carrier for Land Rover Discovery or = Range=20 Rover Classic.

IN105724

Discovery II = Brush Bar=20

IN105827

Range Rover 4.0 = and 4.6 SE=20 and HSE Running Boards
Enhance your ride with = these=20 handsome running boards and gain a step up into your Land = Rover=20 Range Rover 4.0 or 4.6 SE or HSE.

IN105723

Jaguar - Alpine = 6 CD=20 Magazine Music storage for XJ40 and XJS

IN102050
Jaguar Gear = Shift=20 Knob
Burr Walnut

XJ6 1988-1994: IN105353
XJ6 1995-1997: IN105811
Connolly Leather = Care Kit=20
Keep your leather interior looking like = new.

IN104672 =

Browse=20 the website for more great gifts!
http://www.= motorcarsltd.com/gifts/gifts.htm=20

Hard to Find Accessories - We've got = 'em!
Having=20 been in the British car parts business for over 30 years, we = have=20 quite a collection of hard to find and one of a kind parts. If = you=20 need that special accessory or part for your Jaguar or Land = Rover=20 vehicle, give us a call. Even if it's not in our online = catalog,=20 there's a chance that we've got it up in the dusty attic. We = also=20 feature some of these items in our Ebay auctions.

Visit = Ebay:
http://s= tores.ebay.com/id=3D15318488&ssPageName=3DL2

or=20 contact us
800-231-6563 | info@motorcarsltd.com=20

=20
British Motorcar Events
Jan 17: Old North State LRS = Caney Fork=20 Trail Ride
http://www.= theoldnorthstate.org/adventure/advstart.html=20

Jan 17: San Antonio Jaguar Club Luckenbach Rallye
http://www.= sajaguarclub.org/=20

Jan 17: Arizona LRO Sycamore Creek Trail
http://www.= azlro.org/adventure.php?sid=3Dupcoming&pageTitle=3Dupcoming%20adventu= res=20

Feb 1-2: Carolina Rovers Hurrican Creek Trail Ride
http://www.= carolinarovers.org/events/hurricanecreek/HurricaneCreek03.htm=20

Feb 7-8: Houston Land Rover Club Sugarloaf Campout
http://www.= houstonlandroverclub.com/events.html=20

Feb 14-15: Jagaur Owner's Club Return to Capistrano = Rallye
http://www.= lajagclub.com/calendar.htm=20

Mar 11-14: JCNA 46th Annual General Meeting
http://www.= jcna.com/library/agm/2004/index.html=20

Mar 20: BMCNO New Orleans British Car Day
http://www.= bmcno.org/Show04/Carshow.htm=20

Apr 14 - July 7: Jaguar Owners North American Tour
http://jona= t.org/bob/jonat.htm=20

Mid May: Oklahoma Rovers Moab Expedition
http://www.= okoffroad.com/okrovers/main.htm=20

Email us your club = events for=20 FREE inclusion in our monthly newsletter.

Now selling MORE than just = Jaguar and Land=20 Rover!
Did you know that we own and operate another great = website=20 that provides Acura, BMW, Honda, Infiniti, Mazda, MG, = Mitsubishi,=20 Toyota, and Volkswagon parts? And that's not even half of it! = Visit our=20 sister site at www.moto= rcars-ltd.com=20 for all of your import car parts. Buy your parts from the name = you know=20 and trust, Motorcars LTD.

From the Motorcars LTD Enthusiast Team, until next = time,
"The=20 sun never sets on the British motorcar
Keep'em rolling = wherever you=20 are."
Jaguar Specialist: Ken Karr, 800-338-5238 = ext.=20 626
Land Rover Specialist: Mike Gallagher, ext. 525
Import = Car=20 Specialist: Alan Stiger, ext. 576
Club Program Liaison: Mark = McDavid,=20 ext. 134
And last but not least, Master Tech and Forums = Moderator=20 Phil Prince, http://www.= motorcars-ltd.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi=20

Thank you for helping to make this the largest = newsletter
for=20 British car enthusiasts on the Internet!
www.motorca= rsltd.com=20 =95 = 800-338-5238
info@motorcarsltd.com=20

Since 1972, Motorcars LTD has been a leading source of = OEM,=20 aftermarket, remanufactured and salvage parts for British = motorcars,=20 helping enthusiasts enjoy their fine Jaguars and Land Rovers. = Visit our=20 original British web site at http://www.= motorcarsltd.com/.=20

Up= date your=20 profile or = unsubscribe=20 here. Delivered by Topica Email=20 Publisher ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3DBAD.25DAD770-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 08:02:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Hazel A. Beck) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:02:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <007d01c3db78$77562a80$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C3DB35.66F09BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi...I agree with Marc a Jaguar owner, unable to drive their Jag, should = be able to join the tour in whatever they have...at the back of the = conga line, of course! Hazel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Stephenson=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a British Car. If the person = owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last minute or it just = isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my opinion. I = may be in the minority on this one, though. Mark - AZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Checking in late on this issue as I was away. However, having = reviewed all other email on this topic I was impressed with the = consensus argument of "Jaguar only". BUT I think it is wise to allow a Jag owner to be able to drive = another British car if his Jag is non-running as several members stated. = ( So there may be some non-Jaguar cars, likely British and keeping in = flavour of the event.) =20 Also as long as we promote JAGUAR and get endorsements from Jaguar = Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" event. Should another British = car show up on a sector for reasons we have already stated I don't think = it would upset anyone in my sector including the Jaguar Dealer.=20 It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots of great Jaguar cars, Jaguar = enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar convoys... with a few guests = (poor cousins, but still in the family) from time-to time. Ian Bailey Saskatchewan Sector '70 E-Type ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a = few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and = put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an = official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no = links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is = made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C3DB35.66F09BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi...I agree with Marc = a=20 Jaguar owner, unable to drive their Jag, should be able to join = the=20 tour in whatever they have...at the back of the conga line, of=20 course!

Hazel

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Stephenson
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, = 2004 1:23=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a = British Car. If=20 the person owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last minute = or it=20 just isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my = opinion. I=20 may be in the minority on this one, though.

Mark - AZ

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian=20 Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 = AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

Checking in late on this issue as I = was away.=20 However, having reviewed all other email on this topic I was = impressed with=20 the consensus argument of "Jaguar only".

BUT I think it is = wise to=20 allow a Jag owner to be able to drive another British car if his Jag = is=20 non-running as several members stated. ( So there may be some = non-Jaguar=20 cars, likely British and keeping in flavour of the=20 event.)

Also as long as we promote JAGUAR = and get=20 endorsements from Jaguar Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" = event.=20 Should another British car show up on a sector for reasons we have = already=20 stated I don't think it would upset anyone in my sector including = the Jaguar=20 Dealer.

It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots = of great=20 Jaguar cars, Jaguar enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar=20 convoys... with a few guests (poor cousins, but still in the = family)=20 from time-to time.

Ian Bailey

Saskatchewan Sector

'70 E-Type

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 5:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

As promised,=20 I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know a few=20 of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months = ago, on=20 both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to = bed=20 after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT=20 policy. Note=20 that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have = none=20 until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only = people=20 with access are those on this = list.

Now I'm going=20 to run away and hide until the flames blow over = ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
=

------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C3DB35.66F09BA0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 08:06:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Hazel A. Beck) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:06:01 2004 Subject: Fw: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: <00ae01c3db79$066f7780$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C3DB35.F697D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Mark...sorry about the misspelling of your name...I have a family = member named Marc and the wires got crossed...it's still early on the = Left Coast. Hazel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hazel A. Beck=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Hi...I agree with Marc a Jaguar owner, unable to drive their Jag, should = be able to join the tour in whatever they have...at the back of the = conga line, of course! Hazel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Stephenson=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a British Car. If the person = owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last minute or it just = isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my opinion. I = may be in the minority on this one, though. Mark - AZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Checking in late on this issue as I was away. However, having = reviewed all other email on this topic I was impressed with the = consensus argument of "Jaguar only". BUT I think it is wise to allow a Jag owner to be able to drive = another British car if his Jag is non-running as several members stated. = ( So there may be some non-Jaguar cars, likely British and keeping in = flavour of the event.) =20 Also as long as we promote JAGUAR and get endorsements from Jaguar = Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" event. Should another British = car show up on a sector for reasons we have already stated I don't think = it would upset anyone in my sector including the Jaguar Dealer.=20 It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots of great Jaguar cars, Jaguar = enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar convoys... with a few guests = (poor cousins, but still in the family) from time-to time. Ian Bailey Saskatchewan Sector '70 E-Type ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. Check out=20 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a = few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and = put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an = official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no = links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is = made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C3DB35.F697D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Mark...sorry about = the=20 misspelling of your name...I have a family member named Marc and the = wires got=20 crossed...it's still early on the Left Coast.

Hazel

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Hazel=20 A. Beck

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:01 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101

Hi...I agree with Marc = a=20 Jaguar owner, unable to drive their Jag, should be able to join = the=20 tour in whatever they have...at the back of the conga line, of=20 course!

Hazel

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Stephenson
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, = 2004 1:23=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a = British Car. If=20 the person owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last minute = or it=20 just isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my = opinion. I=20 may be in the minority on this one, though.

Mark - AZ

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian=20 Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 = AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

Checking in late on this issue as I = was away.=20 However, having reviewed all other email on this topic I was = impressed with=20 the consensus argument of "Jaguar only".

BUT I think it is = wise to=20 allow a Jag owner to be able to drive another British car if his Jag = is=20 non-running as several members stated. ( So there may be some = non-Jaguar=20 cars, likely British and keeping in flavour of the=20 event.)

Also as long as we promote JAGUAR = and get=20 endorsements from Jaguar Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" = event.=20 Should another British car show up on a sector for reasons we have = already=20 stated I don't think it would upset anyone in my sector including = the Jaguar=20 Dealer.

It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots = of great=20 Jaguar cars, Jaguar enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar=20 convoys... with a few guests (poor cousins, but still in the = family)=20 from time-to time.

Ian Bailey

Saskatchewan Sector

'70 E-Type

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 5:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

As promised,=20 I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know a few=20 of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months = ago, on=20 both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to = bed=20 after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT=20 policy. Note=20 that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have = none=20 until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only = people=20 with access are those on this = list.

Now I'm going=20 to run away and hide until the flames blow over = ...

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
=

------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C3DB35.F697D0C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 09:14:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Thu Jan 15 09:14:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB82.ACDD110A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's tough, the fingers get going and the muscle memory takes over. I have a heck of a time typing "Mary." Then again I have a heck of a time hitting the correct keys most of the time anyway. Thank goodness for spell check. =20 Mark ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hazel A. Beck Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:16 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Fw: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 Hi, Mark...sorry about the misspelling of your name...I have a family member named Marc and the wires got crossed...it's still early on the Left Coast. =20 Hazel =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hazel A. Beck =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Hi...I agree with Marc a Jaguar owner, unable to drive their Jag, should be able to join the tour in whatever they have...at the back of the conga line, of course! =20 Hazel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Stephenson =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a British Car. If the person owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last minute or it just isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my opinion. I may be in the minority on this one, though. =20 Mark - AZ ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 Checking in late on this issue as I was away. However, having reviewed all other email on this topic I was impressed with the consensus argument of "Jaguar only". =20 BUT I think it is wise to allow a Jag owner to be able to drive another British car if his Jag is non-running as several members stated. ( So there may be some non-Jaguar cars, likely British and keeping in flavour of the event.) =20 =20 Also as long as we promote JAGUAR and get endorsements from Jaguar Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" event. Should another British car show up on a sector for reasons we have already stated I don't think it would upset anyone in my sector including the Jaguar Dealer.=20 =20 It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots of great Jaguar cars, Jaguar enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar convoys... with a few guests (poor cousins, but still in the family) from time-to time. =20 Ian Bailey Saskatchewan Sector '70 E-Type ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob =20 To: JONAT MailList =20 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today. =20 Check out=20 =09 http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm =20 I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list. =20 Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ... Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB82.ACDD110A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's tough, the fingers get going and the = muscle memory=20 takes over. I have a heck of a time typing "Mary." Then again I have a = heck of a=20 time hitting the correct keys most of the time anyway. Thank goodness = for spell=20 check.

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hazel A.=20 Beck
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:16 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Fw: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

Hi, Mark...sorry = about the=20 misspelling of your name...I have a family member named Marc and the = wires got=20 crossed...it's still early on the Left Coast.

Hazel

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Hazel A. Beck

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:01 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101

Hi...I agree with = Marc a=20 Jaguar owner, unable to drive their Jag, should be able to = join the=20 tour in whatever they have...at the back of the conga line, of=20 course!

Hazel

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Stephenson
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Thursday, January 15, = 2004 1:23=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Actually, I wouldn't even limit it to a = British Car. If=20 the person owns a Jaguar and it suffers a breakdown at the last = minute or it=20 just isn't ready in time, he could drive a Pontiac or a Kia, in my = opinion.=20 I may be in the minority on this one, though.

Mark - AZ

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian=20 Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:46 = AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

Checking in late on this issue as = I was away.=20 However, having reviewed all other email on this topic I was = impressed=20 with the consensus argument of "Jaguar only".

BUT I think it = is wise to=20 allow a Jag owner to be able to drive another British car if his = Jag is=20 non-running as several members stated. ( So there may be some = non-Jaguar=20 cars, likely British and keeping in flavour of the=20 event.)

Also as long as we promote JAGUAR = and get=20 endorsements from Jaguar Dealers etc. we will keep it a "Jaguar" = event.=20 Should another British car show up on a sector for reasons we have = already=20 stated I don't think it would upset anyone in my sector including = the=20 Jaguar Dealer.

It will be a "Jaguar" event, lots = of great=20 Jaguar cars, Jaguar enthusiasts, Jaguar parties, and Jaguar=20 convoys... with a few guests (poor cousins, but still in the = family)=20 from time-to time.

Ian Bailey

Saskatchewan Sector

'70 E-Type

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 12, = 2004 5:05=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

As promised,=20 I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.

Check out=20

htt= p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

I know a few=20 of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months = ago, on=20 both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it = to bed=20 after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official = JONAT=20 policy. Note that this is on the website but = has no=20 links to it (and will have none until a final decision on = the=20 policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on = this=20 list.

Now I'm=20 going to run away and hide until the flames blow over=20 ...

Bob = England
'69 E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
=

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3DB82.ACDD110A-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 11:50:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Sun Jan 18 11:50:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs Message-ID: <000001c3ddf3$b4577dd0$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3DD0C.747D7170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be charging = drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost you = anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running in = the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector will = be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as to = what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, = restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out = at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3DD0C.747D7170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I need some help in determining what , = if=20 any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out = there tell=20 me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering = and=20 running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our = sector=20 will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as = to what=20 they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, restaurants = and=20 points of interest listed on the web page and handed out at the "hand = off" in=20 Vancouver. Your thoughts please....

------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3DD0C.747D7170-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 12:06:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sun Jan 18 12:06:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs References: <000001c3ddf3$b4577dd0$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: <004201c3ddf5$3b2e4540$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_54hGImYJOwCznHSMmTDohg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Barry: The fee for your sector, if any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. We also feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not determined if or what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: printing of some materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants should have something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry La Pointe To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... --Boundary_(ID_54hGImYJOwCznHSMmTDohg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Barry:

The fee for your sector, if any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. We also feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not determined if or what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: printing of some materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants should have something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc.

Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Barry La Pointe

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:13 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs

I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please....

--Boundary_(ID_54hGImYJOwCznHSMmTDohg)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 17:27:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sun Jan 18 17:27:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs Message-ID: I'll be posting the pertinent information on the web site when I have it assembled. If people download it and bring it along, they'll only have to pay for the Rt. 66 Fun Run and whatever else they want to. I'll have a few hard copies of the information at the start of the route, and will probably charge about double the cost to copy them, but have about double the copies that I think I'll need. Mike O. - I ran into Phil Karam and he remembered that you wanted to ask me something ... just couldn't remember what it was. Mark - AZ ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barry La Pointe Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:01 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 04:41:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 20 04:41:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Participants Pack Message-ID: <010401c3df49$f4fa5900$d6148890@FAZAL> I feel that there should be a JONAT pack for participants and local packs for each sector. The EC to look after the former and the SCs the latter. For JONAT, definitely a proper metal badge (like the examples we looked at before Xmas, from the supplier who offered to fund the production and sell them at US$20 each), map of the tour, a complete list of sector contacts, pens, etc. Basically anything relevant to the overall trip plus any national sponsorship items. The badge should be designed such that it can be mounted either on a vehicle or on a wooden base for wall mounting. We should also have an appropriately designed sun/weather resistant patch that can be applied to, say, the windscreen over where the rear-view mirror mounts. This would enable SC or 'route marshals' to identify at a glance the participants of the rally. These could be numbered and listed for admin purposes so that vehicles/drivers can be identified if necessary.Lastly, the packs should only be issued to paid-up participants (naturally). The Sector packs can be a simple or as complex as sponsorship & funding permits. However, there should be core items such as a detailed map of the sector with emergency contact numbers, food stops, etc. marked on it. Plus, again, items that relate to sponsorship and the area being travelled through. Just some thoughts, so feel free to comment . :-) Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 04:49:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 20 04:49:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs References: <000001c3ddf3$b4577dd0$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> <004201c3ddf5$3b2e4540$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <012a01c3df4b$090a5840$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C3DFA7.3C52FCF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If we can 'standardise' the core elements of a sector pack, then the = costs would be more or less the same across the sectors. This can be = charged for. I expect there will be a variance of sponsorship levels = between sectors and this would be reflected in the contents of the pack, = over and above the core items. That is to be expected but as there is no = direct cost to the participant, this should not be of great concern. In another mail I have put out my ideas re the participants packs. As a = first step, we should now try and finalise a list of the core contents = of both the JONAT pack and the sector pack. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs Barry: The fee for your sector, if any, should be the same as the fee for = the Victoria/Vancouver sector. We also feel that this should be = "user-pay" and frankly, we have not determined if or what fee should be = levied. There are some minor costs: printing of some materials, for = example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants should have = something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry La Pointe=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be = charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost = you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running = in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector = will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as = to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, = restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out = at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... ------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C3DFA7.3C52FCF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If we can 'standardise' the core = elements of=20 a sector pack, then the costs would be more or less the same across the = sectors.=20 This can be charged for. I expect there will be a variance of = sponsorship=20 levels between sectors and this would be reflected in the contents of = the pack,=20 over and above the core items. That is to be expected but as there is no = direct=20 cost to the participant, this should not be of great = concern.

In another mail I have put out my ideas = re the=20 participants packs. As a first step, we should now try and finalise = a list=20 of the core contents of both the JONAT pack and the sector = pack.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 = 5:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector = costs

Barry:

The fee for your = sector, if=20 any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. = We also=20 feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not = determined if or=20 what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: printing of = some=20 materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants = should=20 have something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc.

= = =20 = Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Barry = La=20 Pointe
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 17, = 2004 3:13=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Sector = costs

I need some help in determining = what , if=20 any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone = out there=20 tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car = entering=20 and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is = that our=20 sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the = particiants=20 as to what they do along the route. We will of course have the = hotels,=20 restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed = out at=20 the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts=20 please....

------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C3DFA7.3C52FCF0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 09:10:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Tue Jan 20 09:10:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Participants Pack In-Reply-To: <010401c3df49$f4fa5900$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is good! We could use that stuff that sticks to glass without adhesive (i.e. Via static cling). I imagine it is super cheap and would leave no residue on participant's cars. Trey On 1/20/04 5:38 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: > We should also > have an appropriately designed sun/weather resistant patch that can be > applied to, say, the windscreen over where the rear-view mirror mounts. This > would enable SC or 'route marshals' to identify at a glance the participants > of the rally. These could be numbered and listed for admin purposes so that > vehicles/drivers can be identified if necessary From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 20:24:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Wed Jan 21 20:24:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Participants Pack References: Message-ID: <001b01c3e096$f4032970$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> This may sound a little "off the wall" but I had envisioned a large white circle of pressure sensitive material similar in sizeto the number used on the sides of race cars of old ( i.e. the "D Type" Jag). This would not damage the paint and would definitely arouse the interest of people as several dozen or more Jags go rolling by. I am not sure what the cost would be but I do not believe it would be that expensive. Barry La Pointe Okanagan Sector Coordinator Jaguar North American Tour 1972 "E Type" V12 www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagboard Administrator" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack > This is good! We could use that stuff that sticks to glass without adhesive > (i.e. Via static cling). I imagine it is super cheap and would leave no > residue on participant's cars. > > Trey > > On 1/20/04 5:38 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: > > > We should also > > have an appropriately designed sun/weather resistant patch that can be > > applied to, say, the windscreen over where the rear-view mirror mounts. This > > would enable SC or 'route marshals' to identify at a glance the participants > > of the rally. These could be numbered and listed for admin purposes so that > > vehicles/drivers can be identified if necessary > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 02:41:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Thu Jan 22 02:41:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Participants Pack References: <001b01c3e096$f4032970$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: <008c01c3e0cb$91ae0670$d6148890@FAZAL> Not sure on this one. There might be a few who do not want to put such a large decal on their car, no matter how much one assured them. The centre-of-windscreen idea was to allow ease of ID of oncoming vehicles so that they can be directed/flagged/whatever. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry La Pointe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack > This may sound a little "off the wall" but I had envisioned a large white > circle of pressure sensitive material similar in sizeto the number used on > the sides of race cars of old ( i.e. the "D Type" Jag). This would not > damage the paint and would definitely arouse the interest of people as > several dozen or more Jags go rolling by. I am not sure what the cost would > be but I do not believe it would be that expensive. > > Barry La Pointe > Okanagan Sector Coordinator > Jaguar North American Tour > 1972 "E Type" V12 > www.jonat.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jagboard Administrator" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack > > > > This is good! We could use that stuff that sticks to glass without > adhesive > > (i.e. Via static cling). I imagine it is super cheap and would leave no > > residue on participant's cars. > > > > Trey > > > > On 1/20/04 5:38 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: > > > > > We should also > > > have an appropriately designed sun/weather resistant patch that can be > > > applied to, say, the windscreen over where the rear-view mirror mounts. > This > > > would enable SC or 'route marshals' to identify at a glance the > participants > > > of the rally. These could be numbered and listed for admin purposes so > that > > > vehicles/drivers can be identified if necessary > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 08:22:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Alan Heartfield) Date: Thu Jan 22 08:22:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Participants Pack In-Reply-To: <001b01c3e096$f4032970$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: <400F95A1.2456.1C4CC7F0@localhost> When I used to autocross, I used a large white magnetic flexible sign that I just stuck to the car. Absolutely no damage to the paint. I believe it cost about $20 to get two made up with custom numbers on them. But I'm not sure how well they would stay on at highway speeds. Alan On 21 Jan 2004 at 19:22, Barry La Pointe wrote: From: "Barry La Pointe" To: Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack Send reply to: jonat@autox.team.net

Date sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:22:23 -0800 > This may sound a little "off the wall" but I had envisioned a large white > circle of pressure sensitive material similar in sizeto the number used on > the sides of race cars of old ( i.e. the "D Type" Jag). This would not > damage the paint and would definitely arouse the interest of people as > several dozen or more Jags go rolling by. I am not sure what the cost would > be but I do not believe it would be that expensive. > > Barry La Pointe > Okanagan Sector Coordinator > Jaguar North American Tour > 1972 "E Type" V12 > www.jonat.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jagboard Administrator" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack > > > > This is good! We could use that stuff that sticks to glass without > adhesive > > (i.e. Via static cling). I imagine it is super cheap and would leave no > > residue on participant's cars. > > > > Trey > > > > On 1/20/04 5:38 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: > > > > > We should also > > > have an appropriately designed sun/weather resistant patch that can be > > > applied to, say, the windscreen over where the rear-view mirror mounts. > This > > > would enable SC or 'route marshals' to identify at a glance the > participants > > > of the rally. These could be numbered and listed for admin purposes so > that > > > vehicles/drivers can be identified if necessary > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ -- Alan Heartfield '68 E-Type & '85 XJs TWR & '90 XJ40 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Winnipeg Sector Coordinator http://www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 12:51:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob England) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:51:01 2004 Subject: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners NorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3E34A.34430B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour (JONAT) -MinnesotaTrey ... any update for me on this yet ... ? -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jagboard Administrator Sent: January 15, 2004 12:17 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners NorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota Bob, you should know that Scott and I have talked about it but he has not actually �accepted� the position. I will shoot him an e-mail right now and post back. Meanwhile, for your records. . . . scott simmons Trey On 1/14/04 9:42 PM, "Bob" wrote: PS- let me know Scott's e-mail address ... Thanks ... Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3E34A.34430B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners = North American Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota

Trey=20 ... any update for me on this yet ... ?

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jagboard=20 Administrator
Sent: January 15, 2004 12:17 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Numbers --> was --> = RE:=20 [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners NorthAmerican Tour (JONAT)=20 -Minnesota

Bob, you should know that Scott and I have = talked=20 about it but he has not actually =93accepted=94 the position. I = will shoot him=20 an e-mail right now and post back. Meanwhile, for your records. . = .=20 .

scott simmons = <srs_1967@hotmail.com>

Trey

On=20 1/14/04 9:42 PM, "Bob" <engl@accesscomm.ca> = wrote:

PS- = let me know=20 Scott's e-mail address ... Thanks ...

Bob=20

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3E34A.34430B80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 13:55:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Sun Jan 25 13:55:01 2004 Subject: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners NorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3157887074_21920096 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable He has accepted the position. We are pretty good on the eastern half of the tour through Baton Rouge. Th= e western half of the state is a little more tricky as neither of us frequent that area. Do we expect to get a sector coordinator for Lafayette and Pensacola? Thusfar, it looks like we are the next coordinators after Orlando and until Houston! On 1/25/04 1:50 PM, "Bob England" wrote: > Trey ... any update for me on this yet ... ? > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Be= half > Of Jagboard Administrator > Sent: January 15, 2004 12:17 AM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners NorthAmeri= can > Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota >=20 >=20 > Bob, you should know that Scott and I have talked about it but he has not > actually =93accepted=94 the position. I will shoot him an e-mail right now a= nd > post back. Meanwhile, for your records. . . . >=20 >=20 > scott simmons >=20 > Trey >=20 > On 1/14/04 9:42 PM, "Bob" wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> PS- let me know Scott's e-mail address ... Thanks ... >>=20 >> Bob =20 >>=20 >=20 --B_3157887074_21920096 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners NorthAme= rican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota He has accepted the pos= ition.

We are pretty good on the eastern half of the tour through Baton Rouge. &nb= sp;The western half of the state is a little more tricky as neither of us fr= equent that area.

Do we expect to get a sector coordinator for Lafayette and Pensacola? = ;Thusfar, it looks like we are the next coordinators after Orlando and until= Houston!

On 1/25/04 1:50 PM, "Bob England" <engl@jonat.org> wrote:

Trey ... any update for me on this yet ... ?

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jagboar= d Administrator
Sent: January 15, 2004 12:17 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners= NorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota

Bob, you should know that Scott and I have talked about it but he has not a= ctually =93accepted=94 the position. I will shoot him an e-mail right now = and post back. Meanwhile, for your records. . . .

scott simmons <srs_1967@hotmail.com>

Trey

On 1/14/04 9:42 PM, "Bob" <engl@accesscomm.ca> wrote:

PS- let me know Scott= 's e-mail address ... Thanks ...

Bob

--B_3157887074_21920096-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 14:11:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 14:11:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3E355.502DCCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All ! I had the following below from Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to have the tour arrive a day or two later in his sector to coordinate with an event taking place in Winnipeg. George from Minnesota has also expressed some interest in linking with this event as a number of the people in his area will be attending. In looking at the event itinerary he sent to me, it would look like if we arrived in Winnipeg on the Thursday (June 3) rather than the Wednesday (i.e. one day later), and had a one day layover in Winnipeg rather than zero days, this would seem to be about right (does this jive with your thinking Alan/George?) This effects the SC's planning in three ways: - Orlando to Vancouver - no change - Okanagan to Regina - someone has to pick up the extra day, and the downstream guys have to shift their planning by an extra day. - Minnesota to Orlando - this shifts your planning back by two days (i.e. the Tour ends two days later) Therefore I will need concurrence from the following SC's - wouldn't mind feedback from the ASC's too! Okanagan - Barry LaPoint (ASC Tony Parran) Calgary - Craig Talbot (ASC Steve Clark) Regina - Ian Bailey (ASC Mike Scales) Minnesota - Dick Jones (ASC George Arthur) Indiana - Phil Wert Michigan - Bob Stevenson Ottawa - Mike O'Brien (Phil Karam) Quebec - Daniel Thomson New York - Steve Ferring Washington - Brad Priess Georgia - Greg Wells Orlando - Hudson Marvel By the way, if the list above is not up to date, I am still going through my e-mails from the past week or so as I was out of town (did you miss me?) and may have missed some updates. I'll be getting to the rest of the e-mails later this afternoon. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: Alan Heartfield [mailto:alan@heartfield.net] Sent: January 19, 2004 10:06 PM To: George Arthur; Bob; alan@heartfield.net Cc: garthur1660@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour - Minnesota George et al, Okay, I know Bill well. And tonight I had a few beers with the treasurer of the event, who will email me details. It is on the 4th -6th weekend of June. Bob - we can schedule the tour to be in Winnipeg on at least one of these days? They are planning some good events such as boat tours up the Red River, and we can probably book rooms in the same hotels. Alan ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3E355.502DCCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello All = !

I had the following = below from=20 Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to have the tour arrive a day or = two later=20 in his sector to coordinate with an event taking place in = Winnipeg. George=20 from Minnesota has also expressed some interest in linking with this = event as a=20 number of the people in his area will be attending.

In looking at the event = itinerary he=20 sent to me, it would look like if we arrived in Winnipeg on = the Thursday=20 (June 3) rather than the Wednesday (i.e. one day later), and had a one = day=20 layover in Winnipeg rather than zero days, this would seem to be about = right=20 (does this jive with your thinking Alan/George?)

This effects the SC's = planning in=20 three ways:

- Orlando to Vancouver = - no=20 change

- Okanagan to Regina - = someone has to=20 pick up the extra day, and the downstream guys have to shift their = planning by=20 an extra day.

- Minnesota to Orlando = - this shifts=20 your planning back by two days (i.e. the Tour ends two days = later)

Therefore I will need = concurrence=20 from the following SC's - wouldn't mind feedback from the ASC's=20 too!

Okanagan=20 - Barry LaPoint=20 (ASC Tony=20 Parran)

Calgary -=20 Craig Talbot = (ASC=20 Steve=20 Clark)

Regina -=20 Ian Bailey = (ASC=20 Mike=20 Scales)

Minnesota=20 - Dick Jones=20 (ASC George=20 Arthur)

Indiana -=20 Phil=20 Wert

Michigan -=20 Bob=20 Stevenson

Ottawa -=20 Mike O'Brien = (Phil=20 Karam)

Quebec -=20 Daniel=20 Thomson

New = York -=20 Steve=20 Ferring

Washington -=20 Brad=20 Priess

Georgia -=20 Greg=20 Wells

Orlando -=20 Hudson=20 Marvel

By the way, if the list above is not up to date, I am still = going through=20 my e-mails from the past week or so as I was out of town (did you miss = me?) and=20 may have missed some updates. I'll be getting to the rest of the = e-mails=20 later this afternoon.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's North=20 American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Alan Heartfield [mailto:alan@heartfield.net]
Se= nt:=20 January 19, 2004 10:06 PM
To: George Arthur; Bob; = alan@heartfield.net
Cc:=20 garthur1660@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour = -=20 Minnesota

George et al,
Okay, I know Bill well. And = tonight=20 I had a few beers with the treasurer of the event,
who will email me=20 details. It is on the 4th -6th weekend of June.
Bob - we can = schedule=20 the tour to be in Winnipeg on at least one of these days?
They = are=20 planning some good events such as boat tours up the Red River, and = we
can=20 probably book rooms in the same hotels.
Alan

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3E355.502DCCD0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 15:12:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sun Jan 25 15:12:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba References: Message-ID: <002601c3e390$21962670$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3E3EC.54B745F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with = a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but = it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe = we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a = break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. = Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Hello All ! I had the following below from Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to = have the tour arrive a day or two later in his sector to coordinate with = an event taking place in Winnipeg. George from Minnesota has also = expressed some interest in linking with this event as a number of the = people in his area will be attending. In looking at the event itinerary he sent to me, it would look like if = we arrived in Winnipeg on the Thursday (June 3) rather than the = Wednesday (i.e. one day later), and had a one day layover in Winnipeg = rather than zero days, this would seem to be about right (does this jive = with your thinking Alan/George?) This effects the SC's planning in three ways: - Orlando to Vancouver - no change - Okanagan to Regina - someone has to pick up the extra day, and the = downstream guys have to shift their planning by an extra day. - Minnesota to Orlando - this shifts your planning back by two days = (i.e. the Tour ends two days later) Therefore I will need concurrence from the following SC's - wouldn't = mind feedback from the ASC's too! Okanagan - Barry LaPoint (ASC Tony Parran) Calgary - Craig Talbot (ASC Steve Clark) Regina - Ian Bailey (ASC Mike Scales) Minnesota - Dick Jones (ASC George Arthur) Indiana - Phil Wert Michigan - Bob Stevenson Ottawa - Mike O'Brien (Phil Karam) Quebec - Daniel Thomson New York - Steve Ferring Washington - Brad Priess Georgia - Greg Wells Orlando - Hudson Marvel By the way, if the list above is not up to date, I am still going = through my e-mails from the past week or so as I was out of town (did = you miss me?) and may have missed some updates. I'll be getting to the = rest of the e-mails later this afternoon. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org=20 -----Original Message----- From: Alan Heartfield [mailto:alan@heartfield.net] Sent: January 19, 2004 10:06 PM To: George Arthur; Bob; alan@heartfield.net Cc: garthur1660@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour - Minnesota George et al, Okay, I know Bill well. And tonight I had a few beers with the = treasurer of the event, who will email me details. It is on the 4th -6th weekend of June. Bob - we can schedule the tour to be in Winnipeg on at least one of = these days?=20 They are planning some good events such as boat tours up the Red = River, and we can probably book rooms in the same hotels. Alan ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3E3EC.54B745F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would = be good to=20 finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's = in the=20 plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 = days=20 extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and = Orlando? What=20 about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange = silver rings=20 or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave of = abstinence=20 that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though}

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 = 8:10=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] JONAT = Manitoba

Hello All = !

I had the following = below from=20 Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to have the tour arrive a day or = two=20 later in his sector to coordinate with an event taking place in=20 Winnipeg. George from Minnesota has also expressed some interest = in=20 linking with this event as a number of the people in his area will be=20 attending.

In looking at the = event itinerary=20 he sent to me, it would look like if we arrived in Winnipeg on=20 the Thursday (June 3) rather than the Wednesday (i.e. one day = later), and=20 had a one day layover in Winnipeg rather than zero days, this would = seem to be=20 about right (does this jive with your thinking = Alan/George?)

This effects the SC's = planning in=20 three ways:

- Orlando to = Vancouver - no=20 change

- Okanagan to Regina = - someone has=20 to pick up the extra day, and the downstream guys have to shift their = planning=20 by an extra day.

- Minnesota to = Orlando - this=20 shifts your planning back by two days (i.e. the Tour ends two days=20 later)

Therefore I will need = concurrence=20 from the following SC's - wouldn't mind feedback from the ASC's=20 too!

Okanagan -=20 Barry LaPoint=20 (ASC Tony=20 Parran)

Calgary - Craig Talbot (ASC = Steve=20 Clark)

Regina - Ian Bailey (ASC = Mike=20 Scales)

Minnesota -=20 Dick Jones=20 (ASC George=20 Arthur)

Indiana - Phil=20 Wert

Michigan - Bob=20 Stevenson

Ottawa - Mike O'Brien = (Phil=20 Karam)

Quebec - Daniel=20 Thomson

New York - Steve=20 Ferring

Washington - = Brad=20 Priess

Georgia - Greg=20 Wells

Orlando - Hudson=20 Marvel

By the way, if the list above is not up to date, I am still = going=20 through my e-mails from the past week or so as I was out of town (did = you miss=20 me?) and may have missed some updates. I'll be getting to the = rest of=20 the e-mails later this afternoon.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org =

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Heartfield [mailto:alan@heartfield.net]
Se= nt:=20 January 19, 2004 10:06 PM
To: George Arthur; Bob;=20 alan@heartfield.net
Cc: garthur1660@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: = Jaguar Owners=20 North American Tour - Minnesota

George et al,
Okay, I = know Bill=20 well. And tonight I had a few beers with the treasurer of the=20 event,
who will email me details. It is on the 4th -6th = weekend of=20 June.
Bob - we can schedule the tour to be in Winnipeg on at least = one of=20 these days?
They are planning some good events such as boat = tours up=20 the Red River, and we
can probably book rooms in the same=20 hotels.
Alan

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3E3EC.54B745F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 16:12:06 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:12:06 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <007d01c3db78$77562a80$76aea8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C3E366.44DEB040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C3E366.44DEB040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK ...=20 I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I = follow the=20 gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal = interpretation) ...=20 the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their = Jaguars,=20 but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or = Jeep-uar). Am I=20 on track here, or should I run away again ...

Bob=20 England

------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C3E366.44DEB040-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 16:26:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:26:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <007601c3e39a$7636fdd0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3E3F6.A96F00B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, No. My understanding was that to register one should have a = Jaguar to run in. In an emergency (last minute breakdown, etc) the = registered party can come in a non-Jag vehicle. Otherwise, we appear to = be back to 'anyone/any vehicle' entry. Am I wrong? Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... = if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased = personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar = Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively = whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, = or should I run away again ... Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3E3F6.A96F00B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Actually, No. My understanding was that = to register one should have a Jaguar = to run in.=20 In an emergency (last minute breakdown, etc) the registered party can = come in a=20 non-Jag vehicle. Otherwise, we appear to be back to 'anyone/any vehicle' = entry.

Am I wrong?

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 = 10:11=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

OK=20 ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if = I=20 follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal=20 interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" = driving=20 preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such = as a=20 MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away = again=20 ...

Bob=20 England

------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3E3F6.A96F00B0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 16:27:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:27:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Participants Pack In-Reply-To: <001b01c3e096$f4032970$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: Another thought would be one of those tags you see on the cars on the tours they cover in JWM, sort of an elongated license plate type of thing (don't know if they are plastic or metal), with a couple of holes so they can be attached to a license plate (not covering the plate of course), or to one's grille. A space seems sometimes left to put a number on as has been suggested. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Barry La Pointe Sent: January 21, 2004 9:22 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack This may sound a little "off the wall" but I had envisioned a large white circle of pressure sensitive material similar in sizeto the number used on the sides of race cars of old ( i.e. the "D Type" Jag). This would not damage the paint and would definitely arouse the interest of people as several dozen or more Jags go rolling by. I am not sure what the cost would be but I do not believe it would be that expensive. Barry La Pointe Okanagan Sector Coordinator Jaguar North American Tour 1972 "E Type" V12 www.jonat.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagboard Administrator" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack > This is good! We could use that stuff that sticks to glass without adhesive > (i.e. Via static cling). I imagine it is super cheap and would leave no > residue on participant's cars. > > Trey > > On 1/20/04 5:38 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: > > > We should also > > have an appropriately designed sun/weather resistant patch that can be > > applied to, say, the windscreen over where the rear-view mirror mounts. This > > would enable SC or 'route marshals' to identify at a glance the participants > > of the rally. These could be numbered and listed for admin purposes so that > > vehicles/drivers can be identified if necessary > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 16:27:25 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 16:27:25 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs In-Reply-To: <012a01c3df4b$090a5840$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C3E368.538E1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion regarding sector costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per sector, plus user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs above this require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This keeps the costs down to a fair minimum I think. The Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking about, including a grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the participants cars, and whatever other overhead costs there might be (don't get me started on insurance again!). The "Sector Pak" would cover the costs of printing the map plus whatever. An idea ... what think you? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs If we can 'standardise' the core elements of a sector pack, then the costs would be more or less the same across the sectors. This can be charged for. I expect there will be a variance of sponsorship levels between sectors and this would be reflected in the contents of the pack, over and above the core items. That is to be expected but as there is no direct cost to the participant, this should not be of great concern. In another mail I have put out my ideas re the participants packs. As a first step, we should now try and finalise a list of the core contents of both the JONAT pack and the sector pack. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs Barry: The fee for your sector, if any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. We also feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not determined if or what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: printing of some materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants should have something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry La Pointe To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C3E368.538E1430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How=20 about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion regarding = sector=20 costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per sector, plus = user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs above = this=20 require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This keeps = the costs=20 down to a fair minimum I think.

The=20 Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking about, = including a=20 grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the participants cars, = and=20 whatever other overhead costs there might be (don't get me started on = insurance=20 again!). The "Sector Pak" would cover the costs of printing the = map plus=20 whatever.

An=20 idea ... what think you?

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector=20 costs

In another mail I have put out my ideas = re the=20 participants packs. As a first step, we should now try and finalise = a list=20 of the core contents of both the JONAT pack and the sector = pack.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 = 5:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector = costs

Barry:

The fee for your = sector, if=20 any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. = We also=20 feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not = determined if or=20 what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: printing of = some=20 materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants = should=20 have something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc.

= = =20 = Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Barry = La=20 Pointe
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 17, = 2004 3:13=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Sector = costs

I need some help in determining = what , if=20 any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone = out there=20 tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car = entering=20 and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is = that our=20 sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the = particiants=20 as to what they do along the route. We will of course have the = hotels,=20 restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed = out at=20 the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts=20 please....

------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C3E368.538E1430-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 17:59:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Brad Preiss) Date: Sun Jan 25 17:59:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3E37D.94902E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is great!! - I am 100% in on this concept....We are less then 90 days away from kick off so I feel we should ice this discussion soon. Also, I need any and ALL sector coordinators and or assistants, NORTH of Washington DC and South of New York, to contact me ASAP. I currently have no estimated numbers nor do I have a solid meeting point from my northern counterparts. Thank you. Brad -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:26 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector costs How about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion regarding sector costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per sector, plus user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs above this require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This keeps the costs down to a fair minimum I think. The Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking about, including a grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the participants cars, and whatever other overhead costs there might be (don't get me started on insurance again!). The "Sector Pak" would cover the costs of printing the map plus whatever. An idea ... what think you? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs If we can 'standardise' the core elements of a sector pack, then the costs would be more or less the same across the sectors. This can be charged for. I expect there will be a variance of sponsorship levels between sectors and this would be reflected in the contents of the pack, over and above the core items. That is to be expected but as there is no direct cost to the participant, this should not be of great concern. In another mail I have put out my ideas re the participants packs. As a first step, we should now try and finalise a list of the core contents of both the JONAT pack and the sector pack. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs Barry: The fee for your sector, if any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. We also feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not determined if or what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: printing of some materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants should have something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry La Pointe To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3E37D.94902E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This=20 is great!! - I am 100% in on this concept....We are less then 90 days = away from=20 kick off so I feel we should ice this discussion = soon.

Also,

I need=20 any and ALL sector coordinators and or assistants, NORTH of Washington = DC and=20 South of New York, to contact me ASAP. I currently have no = estimated=20 numbers nor do I have a solid meeting point from my northern = counterparts. =20 Thank you.

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:26 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector=20 costs

How=20 about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion regarding = sector=20 costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per sector, = plus=20 user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs above = this=20 require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This keeps = the=20 costs down to a fair minimum I think.

The=20 Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking about, = including=20 a grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the participants = cars, and=20 whatever other overhead costs there might be (don't get me started on=20 insurance again!). The "Sector Pak" would cover the costs of = printing=20 the map plus whatever.

An=20 idea ... what think you?

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector=20 costs

If we can 'standardise' the = core elements=20 of a sector pack, then the costs would be more or less the same across = the=20 sectors. This can be charged for. I expect there will be a = variance of=20 sponsorship levels between sectors and this would be reflected in the = contents=20 of the pack, over and above the core items. That is to be expected but = as=20 there is no direct cost to the participant, this should not be of = great=20 concern.

In another mail I have put out my = ideas re the=20 participants packs. As a first step, we should now try and = finalise a=20 list of the core contents of both the JONAT pack and the sector=20 pack.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill

Sent: Monday, January 19, = 2004 5:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector = costs

Barry:

The fee for your = sector, if=20 any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver = sector. We=20 also feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not = determined=20 if or what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: = printing of=20 some materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the = participants=20 should have something in hand: lists of services, maps, = etc.

= =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Barry La=20 Pointe
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January 17, = 2004 3:13=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Sector = costs

I need some help in determining = what , if=20 any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone = out=20 there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to = each car=20 entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the = ASC's is=20 that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will = of the=20 particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course = have the=20 hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page = and=20 handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts=20 = please....

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3E37D.94902E40-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 20:09:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:09:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba In-Reply-To: <002601c3e390$21962670$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3E387.559341F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3E387.559341F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fazal

It=20 would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same = date, there=20 would be 2 less days if we stretched the = Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector=20 by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note = wasn't=20 very clear.

Also,=20 the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing = to think=20 about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last = September=20 - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe = might be a=20 bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange = silver rings=20 or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave of = abstinence=20 that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though}

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3E387.559341F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 20:25:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:25:02 2004 Subject: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar OwnersNorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3E389.976A32D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners NorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -MinnesotaYes ... The Tour goes from Hudson (Orlando) to you (New Orleans) to Mark (Houston). We can split that up if appropriate, but I'd prefer not to ... if you know people in Lafayette (or maybe Mark knows someone?) and/or Pensacola (or Hudson?) that might be interested in helping, have them join your (or Mark or Hudson's) committee. The problem is if we have an SC and committee in every major centre, we'd have 600 SC's rather than the 30 we have now. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jagboard Administrator Sent: January 25, 2004 2:51 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar OwnersNorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota He has accepted the position. We are pretty good on the eastern half of the tour through Baton Rouge. The western half of the state is a little more tricky as neither of us frequent that area. Do we expect to get a sector coordinator for Lafayette and Pensacola? Thusfar, it looks like we are the next coordinators after Orlando and until Houston! ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3E389.976A32D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Numbers --> was --> RE: [JONAT] RE: Jaguar Owners = NorthAmerican Tour (JONAT) -Minnesota

Yes=20 ... The Tour goes from Hudson (Orlando) to you (New Orleans) to Mark=20 (Houston). We can split that up if appropriate, but I'd prefer not = to ...=20 if you know people in Lafayette (or maybe Mark knows someone?) and/or = Pensacola=20 (or Hudson?) that might be interested in helping, have them join your = (or Mark=20 or Hudson's) committee. The problem is if we have an SC and = committee in=20 every major centre, we'd have 600 SC's rather than the 30 we have=20 now.

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jagboard=20 Administrator
Sent: January 25, 2004 2:51 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Numbers --> was --> = RE:=20 [JONAT] RE: Jaguar OwnersNorthAmerican Tour (JONAT)=20 -Minnesota

He has accepted the position.

We are = pretty good=20 on the eastern half of the tour through Baton Rouge. The western = half of=20 the state is a little more tricky as neither of us frequent that = area.

Do=20 we expect to get a sector coordinator for Lafayette and Pensacola?=20 Thusfar, it looks like we are the next coordinators after Orlando = and=20 until Houston! ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C3E389.976A32D0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 20:31:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:31:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] List of Sector Coordinators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3E38A.7E22FCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again all ... as an offshoot of Brad's recent post, the latest list of all SC's can be found by clicking the "Contact Us" link on the website, or going to it directly at http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm Email addresses can be found by clicking on the names of the SC (and the ASC's) Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3E38A.7E22FCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello=20 again all ... as an offshoot of Brad's recent post, the latest list of = all SC's=20 can be found by clicking the "Contact Us" link on the website, or going = to it=20 directly at

http://jonat.or= g/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_LIST.htm

Email=20 addresses can be found by clicking on the names of the SC (and the=20 ASC's)

Bob=20 England

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3E38A.7E22FCC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 20:48:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:48:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3E38C.CB1BCFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I would pass on Barry's (Okanagan) comments on Alan's suggestion for rescheduling .... "Regarding the extra day to be added before Winnipeg, we are taking 3 days to get from Vancouver to Golden which is ample time. The only consideration may be that some people may want to take a one day house boat tour around Shuswap Lake, but I do not feel that everyone may want to do this, so it still posses a bit of a problem. Perhaps Craig in Calgary has some ideas. We will discuss what options there may be and I feel that as long as the participants can meet at a certain hotel in a city, with an overnight stop, prior to Winnipeg, then there could be several options available to individuals." Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Sent: January 25, 2004 3:10 PM To: JONAT MailList Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Importance: High Hello All ! I had the following below from Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to have the tour arrive a day or two later in his sector to coordinate with an event taking place in Winnipeg. George from Minnesota has also expressed some interest in linking with this event as a number of the people in his area will be attending. In looking at the event itinerary he sent to me, it would look like if we arrived in Winnipeg on the Thursday (June 3) rather than the Wednesday (i.e. one day later), and had a one day layover in Winnipeg rather than zero days, this would seem to be about right (does this jive with your thinking Alan/George?) This effects the SC's planning in three ways: - Orlando to Vancouver - no change - Okanagan to Regina - someone has to pick up the extra day, and the downstream guys have to shift their planning by an extra day. - Minnesota to Orlando - this shifts your planning back by two days (i.e. the Tour ends two days later) Therefore I will need concurrence from the following SC's - wouldn't mind feedback from the ASC's too! Okanagan - Barry LaPoint (ASC Tony Parran) Calgary - Craig Talbot (ASC Steve Clark) Regina - Ian Bailey (ASC Mike Scales) Minnesota - Dick Jones (ASC George Arthur) Indiana - Phil Wert Michigan - Bob Stevenson Ottawa - Mike O'Brien (Phil Karam) Quebec - Daniel Thomson New York - Steve Ferring Washington - Brad Priess Georgia - Greg Wells Orlando - Hudson Marvel By the way, if the list above is not up to date, I am still going through my e-mails from the past week or so as I was out of town (did you miss me?) and may have missed some updates. I'll be getting to the rest of the e-mails later this afternoon. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3E38C.CB1BCFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thought I would pass on Barry's (Okanagan) comments on Alan's = suggestion=20 for rescheduling ....

"Regarding the extra day to be added = before=20 Winnipeg, we are taking 3 days to get from Vancouver to Golden which is = ample=20 time. The only consideration may be that some people may want to take a = one day=20 house boat tour around Shuswap Lake, but I do not feel that everyone may = want to=20 do this, so it still posses a bit of a problem. Perhaps Craig in Calgary = has=20 some ideas. We will discuss what options there may be and I feel that as = long as=20 the participants can meet at a certain hotel in a city, with an = overnight=20 stop, prior to Winnipeg, then there could be several options available = to=20 individuals."

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 January 25, 2004 3:10 PM
To: JONAT MailList
Subject: = [JONAT]=20 JONAT Manitoba
Importance: High

Hello All = !

This effects the SC's = planning in=20 three ways:

- Orlando to Vancouver = - no=20 change

- Okanagan to Regina - = someone has to=20 pick up the extra day, and the downstream guys have to shift their = planning by=20 an extra day.

- Minnesota to Orlando = - this shifts=20 your planning back by two days (i.e. the Tour ends two days = later)

Therefore I will need = concurrence=20 from the following SC's - wouldn't mind feedback from the ASC's=20 too!

Okanagan - Barry LaPoint (ASC = Tony=20 Parran)

Calgary -=20 Craig Talbot = (ASC=20 Steve=20 Clark)

Regina -=20 Ian Bailey = (ASC=20 Mike=20 Scales)

Minnesota - Dick Jones (ASC = George=20 Arthur)

Indiana -=20 Phil=20 Wert

Michigan -=20 Bob=20 Stevenson

Ottawa -=20 Mike O'Brien = (Phil=20 Karam)

Quebec -=20 Daniel=20 Thomson

New = York -=20 Steve=20 Ferring

Washington -=20 Brad=20 Priess

Georgia -=20 Greg=20 Wells

Orlando -=20 Hudson=20 Marvel

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's North=20 American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3E38C.CB1BCFF0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 20:53:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:53:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <007601c3e39a$7636fdd0$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <016201c3e3bf$475b72a0$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_utu0yl0SgidyQLz75uJAtw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Fazal: my understanding is the same as yours: this is a Jaguar run. Jaguar owners, whose cats let them down at the last minute, might be forced to make the trip in a brand X. They should not PLAN to drive a Brand X, otherwise we still end up with a hotch-potch of cars. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Actually, No. My understanding was that to register one should have a Jaguar to run in. In an emergency (last minute breakdown, etc) the registered party can come in a non-Jag vehicle. Otherwise, we appear to be back to 'anyone/any vehicle' entry. Am I wrong? Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England --Boundary_(ID_utu0yl0SgidyQLz75uJAtw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Fazal: my understanding is the same as yours: this is a Jaguar run. Jaguar owners, whose cats let them down at the last minute, might be forced to make the trip in a brand X. They should not PLAN to drive a Brand X, otherwise we still end up with a hotch-potch of cars.

Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Fazal Cader

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101

Actually, No. My understanding was that to register one should have a Jaguar to run in. In an emergency (last minute breakdown, etc) the registered party can come in a non-Jag vehicle. Otherwise, we appear to be back to 'anyone/any vehicle' entry.

Am I wrong?

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:11 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ...

Bob England

--Boundary_(ID_utu0yl0SgidyQLz75uJAtw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 21:24:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (engl) Date: Sun Jan 25 21:24:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C3E38C.D01639F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very good request from Brad ... see below ... -----Original Message----- Bob, I know this would be a bit of work but I think as we wind up towards the kickoff we need to get a summary of what is going on from your committee. IE: Dates as they stand - any numbers as they stand - and current costs expected, as well as any gaps and foreseeable issues as they stand. Since we are now starting to get national press coverage we should start thinking a bit bigger.... Brad -----Original Message----- Brad An excellent idea! I'm going to forward your note to all the SC's as it is a very pertinent question - I hope that is OK. Next, of course, is to provide that update to the group ... As to dates as they stand, I try to keep the website updated on the "Itinerary" page (see http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.htm for a direct link). The date in red just under the heading is the last date the itinerary was updated (for what is there now "2004.01.12" is January 12th, 2004). Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C3E38C.D01639F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A very=20 good request from Brad ... see below ...

-----Original Message-----
Bob,

I know = this would be=20 a bit of work but I think as we wind up towards the
kickoff we need = to get a=20 summary of what is going on from your committee.
IE: Dates as = they=20 stand - any numbers as they stand - and current costs
expected, as = well as=20 any gaps and foreseeable issues as they stand.

Since we are now = starting=20 to get national press coverage we should start
thinking a bit=20 bigger....

Brad

-----Original=20 Message-----
Brad

An excellent idea! I'm going to = forward=20 your note to all the SC's as it is a very pertinent question - I hope = that is=20 OK. Next, of course, is to provide that update to the group ... =

As=20 to dates as they stand, I try to keep the website updated on the = "Itinerary"=20 page (see
http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_Itinerary.htm for a=20 direct link). The date in red just under the heading is the last = date the=20 itinerary was updated (for what is there now "2004.01.12" is January = 12th,=20 2004).

Bob England

------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C3E38C.D01639F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 01:39:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon Jan 26 01:39:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E3E8.02D76336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way. =20 So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be valuable additions.=20 =20 Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us pictures?=20 =20 I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and accept or reject. =20 Mark ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... =20 Bob England ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E3E8.02D76336 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

...And my thought was that as long as they = owned a Jaguar=20 they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and = the=20 non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

So, I think it's almost unanimous that it = should be=20 restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant = owners who=20 won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the = non-Jag=20 driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many = sectors, so I=20 think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. = But, as=20 owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be = valuable=20 additions.

Another factor to consider is that we aren't = going to be=20 able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project = could be=20 something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last = minute and=20 just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us = pictures?=20

I think we should make a statement on the entry = form and=20 website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, = but if=20 circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another = car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they = aren't=20 driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and = accept or=20 reject.

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

OK=20 ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if = I=20 follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal=20 interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" = driving=20 preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such = as a=20 MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away = again=20 ...

Bob=20 England

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E3E8.02D76336-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 02:05:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon Jan 26 02:05:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - Message-ID: I think we should set a freeze date in the very near future. That would be a date after which we make no changes to the route dates. Another freeze date could be a few weeks later where we make no more changes to the route itself. A couple weeks after that, the recommended hotels and events for each sector should be finalized with rates posted. I say Feb 1 for the dates; Feb 15 for the routes; and Feb 29 for hotels and events. I think we also need a sector cost figure for each leg which includes the must-do events. For example, we are going to join the Rt. 66 Fun Run, which I think is $40 or $45 dollars. There is also park admission to the Grand Canyon at $10 or $12. If we are going to have Sector fees, that's another $10, although I disagree with that. I think if we have the information on-line and people choose to download it and print it out from there, we don't have any expense involved with their participation. Who collects the money? Where does it go? Who's going to haul the stock around from place to place. Another question is what do we do with people like my friend from Albuquerque who plans to pick up the route in Colorado and drive to the end or until his XK120 breaks down at which point he'll have it and himself transported home. Does he pay every time he starts a segment? Remember, this trip is 10,000 miles total. There aren't going to be that many people doing the whole thing, but of the ones who do, there is going to be a lot a lot of attrition. Do we give refunds? What about the people who show up at the last minute? Do we have to handle the money? I'm in the k.i.s.s crowd. Perhaps charge the flat fee for entire route if we have overhead to cover, but forget the sector fees. We should have the plates and signs available on the Internet and those who want to join should buy them in advance. We should note that there will be a few at the start of each segment, but that the only way to guarantee you have one is to buy it ahead of time. Mark - AZ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 03:43:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Jan 26 03:43:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs References: Message-ID: <00a701c3e3f9$1b4b56f0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C3E455.4E87EDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Bob, that's about what I approximated. The amounts are OK with me = but we'll need a bit of input from the SCs as to whether the US$10 would = be correct. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector costs How about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion = regarding sector costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per = sector, plus user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs = above this require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This = keeps the costs down to a fair minimum I think. The Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking = about, including a grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the = participants cars, and whatever other overhead costs there might be = (don't get me started on insurance again!). The "Sector Pak" would = cover the costs of printing the map plus whatever. An idea ... what think you? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs If we can 'standardise' the core elements of a sector pack, then the = costs would be more or less the same across the sectors. This can be = charged for. I expect there will be a variance of sponsorship levels = between sectors and this would be reflected in the contents of the pack, = over and above the core items. That is to be expected but as there is no = direct cost to the participant, this should not be of great concern. In another mail I have put out my ideas re the participants packs. As = a first step, we should now try and finalise a list of the core contents = of both the JONAT pack and the sector pack. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs Barry: The fee for your sector, if any, should be the same as the fee = for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. We also feel that this should be = "user-pay" and frankly, we have not determined if or what fee should be = levied. There are some minor costs: printing of some materials, for = example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants should have = something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry La Pointe=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be = charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost = you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running = in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector = will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as = to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, = restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out = at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C3E455.4E87EDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, Bob, that's about what I = approximated. The=20 amounts are OK with me but we'll need a bit of input from the SCs as to = whether=20 the US$10 would be correct.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 = 10:26=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector = costs

How=20 about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion regarding = sector=20 costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per sector, = plus=20 user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs above = this=20 require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This keeps = the=20 costs down to a fair minimum I think.

The=20 Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking about, = including=20 a grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the participants = cars, and=20 whatever other overhead costs there might be (don't get me started on=20 insurance again!). The "Sector Pak" would cover the costs of = printing=20 the map plus whatever.

An=20 idea ... what think you?

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector=20 costs

If we can 'standardise' the = core elements=20 of a sector pack, then the costs would be more or less the same across = the=20 sectors. This can be charged for. I expect there will be a = variance of=20 sponsorship levels between sectors and this would be reflected in the = contents=20 of the pack, over and above the core items. That is to be expected but = as=20 there is no direct cost to the participant, this should not be of = great=20 concern.

In another mail I have put out my = ideas re the=20 participants packs. As a first step, we should now try and = finalise a=20 list of the core contents of both the JONAT pack and the sector=20 pack.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill

Sent: Monday, January 19, = 2004 5:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector = costs

Barry:

The fee for your = sector, if=20 any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver = sector. We=20 also feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not = determined=20 if or what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: = printing of=20 some materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the = participants=20 should have something in hand: lists of services, maps, = etc.

= =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Barry La=20 Pointe
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January 17, = 2004 3:13=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Sector = costs

I need some help in determining = what , if=20 any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone = out=20 there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to = each car=20 entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the = ASC's is=20 that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will = of the=20 particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course = have the=20 hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page = and=20 handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts=20 = please....

------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C3E455.4E87EDB0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 03:45:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Jan 26 03:45:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Participants Pack References: Message-ID: <00ad01c3e3f9$5ce80fe0$d6148890@FAZAL> I would think the badge in the Tour Pack would do the trick. But I still feel a sticker on the centre of the windscreen would be easiest to monitor. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Participants Pack > Another thought would be one of those tags you see on the cars on the tours > they cover in JWM, sort of an elongated license plate type of thing (don't > know if they are plastic or metal), with a couple of holes so they can be > attached to a license plate (not covering the plate of course), or to one's > grille. A space seems sometimes left to put a number on as has been > suggested. > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Barry La Pointe > Sent: January 21, 2004 9:22 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack > > > This may sound a little "off the wall" but I had envisioned a large white > circle of pressure sensitive material similar in sizeto the number used on > the sides of race cars of old ( i.e. the "D Type" Jag). This would not > damage the paint and would definitely arouse the interest of people as > several dozen or more Jags go rolling by. I am not sure what the cost would > be but I do not believe it would be that expensive. > > Barry La Pointe > Okanagan Sector Coordinator > Jaguar North American Tour > 1972 "E Type" V12 > www.jonat.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jagboard Administrator" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] Participants Pack > > > > This is good! We could use that stuff that sticks to glass without > adhesive > > (i.e. Via static cling). I imagine it is super cheap and would leave no > > residue on participant's cars. > > > > Trey > > > > On 1/20/04 5:38 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: > > > > > We should also > > > have an appropriately designed sun/weather resistant patch that can be > > > applied to, say, the windscreen over where the rear-view mirror mounts. > This > > > would enable SC or 'route marshals' to identify at a glance the > participants > > > of the rally. These could be numbered and listed for admin purposes so > that > > > vehicles/drivers can be identified if necessary > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > > www.jonat.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 03:48:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Jan 26 03:48:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba References: Message-ID: <00c201c3e3f9$d63ba1e0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C3E456.096D8A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark = 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just = getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the = same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the = Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra = day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more = thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to = him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of = the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road = too. Bob =20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour = with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or = not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days = extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? = What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the = USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C3E456.096D8A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK, cool. But we and the area SC should = have=20 something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than = gathering in a=20 car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' !

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 = 2:08=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT = Manitoba

Fazal

It=20 would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same = date,=20 there would be 2 less days if we stretched the=20 Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra = day in=20 Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very = clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. = And one more=20 thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I = talked to=20 him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his = corner of=20 the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road=20 too.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at least, it = would be good=20 to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if = that's in=20 the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you = say) 2=20 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota = and=20 Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange = silver rings=20 or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave of = abstinence=20 that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though}

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004

------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C3E456.096D8A40-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 06:17:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 26 06:17:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba In-Reply-To: <00c201c3e3f9$d63ba1e0$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3E3DC.44B74E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3E3DC.44B74E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We are=20 in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence = Day (July=20 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector = ?

Bob=20 England

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the area SC should = have=20 something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than = gathering in a=20 car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' !

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 = 2:08=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT = Manitoba

Fazal

It=20 would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same = date,=20 there would be 2 less days if we stretched the=20 Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra = day in=20 Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very = clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. = And one more=20 thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I = talked to=20 him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his = corner of=20 the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road=20 too.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at least, it = would be good=20 to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if = that's in=20 the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you = say) 2=20 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota = and=20 Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange = silver rings=20 or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave of = abstinence=20 that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though}

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3E3DC.44B74E80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 06:17:09 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 26 06:17:09 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3E3DC.4464C1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark ... how about something simpler to administrate - if they are not driving a Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of their Jaguar and bring it on the Tour ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 ...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way. So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be valuable additions. Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us pictures? I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and accept or reject. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3E3DC.4464C1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mark=20 ... how about something simpler to administrate - if they are not = driving a=20 Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of their Jaguar and bring = it on=20 the Tour ... Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark=20 Stephenson
Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

...And my thought was that as long as they = owned a Jaguar=20 they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and = the=20 non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

OK=20 ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if = I=20 follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal=20 interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" = driving=20 preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such = as a=20 MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away = again=20 ...

Bob=20 England

------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3E3DC.4464C1B0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 07:25:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Mon Jan 26 07:25:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba References: Message-ID: <001501c3e418$06af36c0$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3E3E5.BB9620E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am responding to this email though I have another 50 below so it may = be answered by others before me. As to absorbing an extra day to allow for Winnipeg's requirements, I = think we could easily do it the Sask sector. The benefits for this are = that we can overnight rather cheaper then other locations and our = committee has more ideas then time so we could easily make the day = enjoyable. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Hello All ! I had the following below from Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to = have the tour arrive a day or two later in his sector to coordinate with = an event taking place in Winnipeg. George from Minnesota has also = expressed some interest in linking with this event as a number of the = people in his area will be attending. In looking at the event itinerary he sent to me, it would look like if = we arrived in Winnipeg on the Thursday (June 3) rather than the = Wednesday (i.e. one day later), and had a one day layover in Winnipeg = rather than zero days, this would seem to be about right (does this jive = with your thinking Alan/George?) This effects the SC's planning in three ways: - Orlando to Vancouver - no change - Okanagan to Regina - someone has to pick up the extra day, and the = downstream guys have to shift their planning by an extra day. - Minnesota to Orlando - this shifts your planning back by two days = (i.e. the Tour ends two days later) Therefore I will need concurrence from the following SC's - wouldn't = mind feedback from the ASC's too! Okanagan - Barry LaPoint (ASC Tony Parran) Calgary - Craig Talbot (ASC Steve Clark) Regina - Ian Bailey (ASC Mike Scales) Minnesota - Dick Jones (ASC George Arthur) Indiana - Phil Wert Michigan - Bob Stevenson Ottawa - Mike O'Brien (Phil Karam) Quebec - Daniel Thomson New York - Steve Ferring Washington - Brad Priess Georgia - Greg Wells Orlando - Hudson Marvel By the way, if the list above is not up to date, I am still going = through my e-mails from the past week or so as I was out of town (did = you miss me?) and may have missed some updates. I'll be getting to the = rest of the e-mails later this afternoon. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org=20 -----Original Message----- From: Alan Heartfield [mailto:alan@heartfield.net] Sent: January 19, 2004 10:06 PM To: George Arthur; Bob; alan@heartfield.net Cc: garthur1660@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Jaguar Owners North American Tour - Minnesota George et al, Okay, I know Bill well. And tonight I had a few beers with the = treasurer of the event, who will email me details. It is on the 4th -6th weekend of June. Bob - we can schedule the tour to be in Winnipeg on at least one of = these days?=20 They are planning some good events such as boat tours up the Red = River, and we can probably book rooms in the same hotels. Alan ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3E3E5.BB9620E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am responding to this email though I = have another=20 50 below so it may be answered by others before me.

As to absorbing an extra day to allow = for=20 Winnipeg's requirements, I think we could easily do it the Sask sector. = The=20 benefits for this are that we can overnight rather cheaper then other = locations=20 and our committee has more ideas then time so we could easily make the = day=20 enjoyable.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 = 3:10=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] JONAT = Manitoba

Hello All = !

I had the following = below from=20 Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to have the tour arrive a day or = two=20 later in his sector to coordinate with an event taking place in=20 Winnipeg. George from Minnesota has also expressed some interest = in=20 linking with this event as a number of the people in his area will be=20 attending.

In looking at the = event itinerary=20 he sent to me, it would look like if we arrived in Winnipeg on=20 the Thursday (June 3) rather than the Wednesday (i.e. one day = later), and=20 had a one day layover in Winnipeg rather than zero days, this would = seem to be=20 about right (does this jive with your thinking = Alan/George?)

This effects the SC's = planning in=20 three ways:

- Orlando to = Vancouver - no=20 change

- Okanagan to Regina = - someone has=20 to pick up the extra day, and the downstream guys have to shift their = planning=20 by an extra day.

- Minnesota to = Orlando - this=20 shifts your planning back by two days (i.e. the Tour ends two days=20 later)

Therefore I will need = concurrence=20 from the following SC's - wouldn't mind feedback from the ASC's=20 too!

Okanagan -=20 Barry LaPoint=20 (ASC Tony=20 Parran)

Calgary - Craig Talbot (ASC = Steve=20 Clark)

Regina - Ian Bailey (ASC = Mike=20 Scales)

Minnesota -=20 Dick Jones=20 (ASC George=20 Arthur)

Indiana - Phil=20 Wert

Michigan - Bob=20 Stevenson

Ottawa - Mike O'Brien = (Phil=20 Karam)

Quebec - Daniel=20 Thomson

New York - Steve=20 Ferring

Washington - = Brad=20 Priess

Georgia - Greg=20 Wells

Orlando - Hudson=20 Marvel

By the way, if the list above is not up to date, I am still = going=20 through my e-mails from the past week or so as I was out of town (did = you miss=20 me?) and may have missed some updates. I'll be getting to the = rest of=20 the e-mails later this afternoon.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar = Owner's=20 North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org =

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Heartfield [mailto:alan@heartfield.net]
Se= nt:=20 January 19, 2004 10:06 PM
To: George Arthur; Bob;=20 alan@heartfield.net
Cc: garthur1660@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: = Jaguar Owners=20 North American Tour - Minnesota

George et al,
Okay, I = know Bill=20 well. And tonight I had a few beers with the treasurer of the=20 event,
who will email me details. It is on the 4th -6th = weekend of=20 June.
Bob - we can schedule the tour to be in Winnipeg on at least = one of=20 these days?
They are planning some good events such as boat = tours up=20 the Red River, and we
can probably book rooms in the same=20 hotels.
Alan

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3E3E5.BB9620E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 07:27:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Mon Jan 26 07:27:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs References: Message-ID: <005101c3e418$5a53df60$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C3E3E6.0F5DE1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds good to me. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector costs How about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion = regarding sector costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per = sector, plus user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs = above this require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This = keeps the costs down to a fair minimum I think. The Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking = about, including a grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the = participants cars, and whatever other overhead costs there might be = (don't get me started on insurance again!). The "Sector Pak" would = cover the costs of printing the map plus whatever. An idea ... what think you? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs If we can 'standardise' the core elements of a sector pack, then the = costs would be more or less the same across the sectors. This can be = charged for. I expect there will be a variance of sponsorship levels = between sectors and this would be reflected in the contents of the pack, = over and above the core items. That is to be expected but as there is no = direct cost to the participant, this should not be of great concern. In another mail I have put out my ideas re the participants packs. As = a first step, we should now try and finalise a list of the core contents = of both the JONAT pack and the sector pack. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs Barry: The fee for your sector, if any, should be the same as the fee = for the Victoria/Vancouver sector. We also feel that this should be = "user-pay" and frankly, we have not determined if or what fee should be = levied. There are some minor costs: printing of some materials, for = example. But if a fee is to be levied, the participants should have = something in hand: lists of services, maps, etc. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry La Pointe=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs I need some help in determining what , if any, fee I will be = charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone out there tell me what cost = you anticipate that should be charged to each car entering and running = in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the ASC's is that our sector = will be "user pay" and also open to the free will of the particiants as = to what they do along the route. We will of course have the hotels, = restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page and handed out = at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts please.... ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C3E3E6.0F5DE1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds good to me.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 = 5:26=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Sector = costs

How=20 about we set some numbers as a starting point for discussion regarding = sector=20 costs - say $45us for Tour registration, and $10us per sector, = plus=20 user-pay for events (or sponsor-pay for events). Any costs above = this=20 require sponsorships, and excess proceeds to charity. This keeps = the=20 costs down to a fair minimum I think.

The=20 Tour registration would cover the "Tour Pak" Fazal is talking about, = including=20 a grille badge or other Tour emblem emblazoned on the participants = cars, and=20 whatever other overhead costs there might be (don't get me started on=20 insurance again!). The "Sector Pak" would cover the costs of = printing=20 the map plus whatever.

An=20 idea ... what think you?

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 20, 2004 5:46 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector=20 costs

If we can 'standardise' the = core elements=20 of a sector pack, then the costs would be more or less the same across = the=20 sectors. This can be charged for. I expect there will be a = variance of=20 sponsorship levels between sectors and this would be reflected in the = contents=20 of the pack, over and above the core items. That is to be expected but = as=20 there is no direct cost to the participant, this should not be of = great=20 concern.

In another mail I have put out my = ideas re the=20 participants packs. As a first step, we should now try and = finalise a=20 list of the core contents of both the JONAT pack and the sector=20 pack.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, = ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - = July 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Cc: dbcooke@shaw.ca ; Roy Gill

Sent: Monday, January 19, = 2004 5:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector = costs

Barry:

The fee for your = sector, if=20 any, should be the same as the fee for the Victoria/Vancouver = sector. We=20 also feel that this should be "user-pay" and frankly, we have not = determined=20 if or what fee should be levied. There are some minor costs: = printing of=20 some materials, for example. But if a fee is to be levied, the = participants=20 should have something in hand: lists of services, maps, = etc.

= =20 = =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Barry La=20 Pointe
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January 17, = 2004 3:13=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Sector = costs

I need some help in determining = what , if=20 any, fee I will be charging drivers in my sector. Can anyone = out=20 there tell me what cost you anticipate that should be charged to = each car=20 entering and running in the sector? Mine and the feelings of the = ASC's is=20 that our sector will be "user pay" and also open to the free will = of the=20 particiants as to what they do along the route. We will of course = have the=20 hotels, restaurants and points of interest listed on the web page = and=20 handed out at the "hand off" in Vancouver. Your thoughts=20 = please....

------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C3E3E6.0F5DE1E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 07:39:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Mon Jan 26 07:39:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E41A.415B26E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like that. Tape it up on a window somewhere. What does everyone else think? =20 Mark ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:21 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 Mark ... how about something simpler to administrate - if they are not driving a Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of their Jaguar and bring it on the Tour ... Bob =20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 ...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way. =20 So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be valuable additions.=20 =20 Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us pictures?=20 =20 I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and accept or reject. =20 Mark ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 =09 =09 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... =20 Bob England ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E41A.415B26E2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I like that. Tape it up on a window somewhere. = What does=20 everyone else think?

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 Monday, January 26, 2004 7:21 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

Mark=20 ... how about something simpler to administrate - if they are not = driving a=20 Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of their Jaguar and = bring it on=20 the Tour ... Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark=20 Stephenson
Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

...And my thought was that as long as they = owned a Jaguar=20 they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack = and the=20 non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the = way.

So, I think it's almost unanimous that it = should be=20 restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant = owners=20 who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the = non-Jag=20 driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many = sectors, so=20 I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. = But, as=20 owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be = valuable=20 additions.

Another factor to consider is that we aren't = going to be=20 able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project = could be=20 something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last = minute=20 and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send = us=20 pictures?

I think we should make a statement on the = entry form and=20 website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, = but if=20 circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in = another=20 car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why = they=20 aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review = them and=20 accept or reject.

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

OK=20 ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... = if I=20 follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal = interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" = driving=20 preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such = as a=20 MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away = again=20 ...

Bob=20 = England

= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E41A.415B26E2-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 07:58:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Mon Jan 26 07:58:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs In-Reply-To: <00a701c3e3f9$1b4b56f0$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3157952034_25817321 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think $10/sector is fine. Trey On 1/26/04 4:42 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: > Yes, Bob, that's about what I approximated. The amounts are OK with me but > we'll need a bit of input from the SCs as to whether the US$10 would be > correct. > > Fazal Cader > Executive Committee, ISC - Australia > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 > > >> --B_3157952034_25817321 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Sector costs I think $10/sector is f= ine.

Trey

On 1/26/04 4:42 AM, "Fazal Cader" <fazalc@usa.net> wrote:

Yes, Bob, that's about what I approximated. The amounts are OK with me but = we'll need a bit of input from the SCs as to whether the US$10 would be corr= ect.

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org <http://www.jonat.org>
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

--B_3157952034_25817321-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 08:42:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 26 08:42:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <006501c3e422$20816dc0$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ZVhehiibsf3vZqoAL3og0g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Stephenson To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 ...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way. So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be valuable additions. Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us pictures? I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and accept or reject. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England --Boundary_(ID_ZVhehiibsf3vZqoAL3og0g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Mark:

Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side.

Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Stephenson

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:38 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be valuable additions.

Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us pictures?

I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and accept or reject.

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ...

Bob England

--Boundary_(ID_ZVhehiibsf3vZqoAL3og0g)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 08:42:15 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 26 08:42:15 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - References: Message-ID: <006f01c3e422$5c290900$77214518@GREG> Mark: again, I agree with you. Sector fees should be absolutely minimal to encourage participation over several of them. Hotel, fuel, food costs mount up alarmingly rapidly without having an additional burden of sector fees. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stephenson" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:03 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - : I think we should set a freeze date in the very near future. That would : be a date after which we make no changes to the route dates. Another : freeze date could be a few weeks later where we make no more changes to : the route itself. : : A couple weeks after that, the recommended hotels and events for each : sector should be finalized with rates posted. : : I say Feb 1 for the dates; Feb 15 for the routes; and Feb 29 for hotels : and events. I think we also need a sector cost figure for each leg which : includes the must-do events. For example, we are going to join the Rt. : 66 Fun Run, which I think is $40 or $45 dollars. There is also park : admission to the Grand Canyon at $10 or $12. If we are going to have : Sector fees, that's another $10, although I disagree with that. I think : if we have the information on-line and people choose to download it and : print it out from there, we don't have any expense involved with their : participation. Who collects the money? Where does it go? Who's going to : haul the stock around from place to place. : : Another question is what do we do with people like my friend from : Albuquerque who plans to pick up the route in Colorado and drive to the : end or until his XK120 breaks down at which point he'll have it and : himself transported home. Does he pay every time he starts a segment? : Remember, this trip is 10,000 miles total. There aren't going to be that : many people doing the whole thing, but of the ones who do, there is : going to be a lot a lot of attrition. Do we give refunds? What about the : people who show up at the last minute? Do we have to handle the money? : : I'm in the k.i.s.s crowd. Perhaps charge the flat fee for entire route : if we have overhead to cover, but forget the sector fees. We should have : the plates and signs available on the Internet and those who want to : join should buy them in advance. We should note that there will be a few : at the start of each segment, but that the only way to guarantee you : have one is to buy it ahead of time. : : Mark - AZ : : : : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 08:45:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 26 08:45:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba References: Message-ID: <008e01c3e422$fb2e91a0$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_duIBFQR74S0kjyhE3KN53w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 --Boundary_(ID_duIBFQR74S0kjyhE3KN53w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is.

Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ?

Bob England

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' !

Fazal

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though}

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

--Boundary_(ID_duIBFQR74S0kjyhE3KN53w)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 08:48:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 26 08:48:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <00a201c3e423$29bf0a40$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_+0ilJP+TUHQOSfjaS81qJg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Something for the windscreen, that plastic film that clings - that will not mark the car, but does indeed set it apart. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Stephenson To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 6:41 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 I like that. Tape it up on a window somewhere. What does everyone else think? Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:21 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Mark ... how about something simpler to administrate - if they are not driving a Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of their Jaguar and bring it on the Tour ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 ...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way. So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be valuable additions. Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us pictures? I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and accept or reject. Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England --Boundary_(ID_+0ilJP+TUHQOSfjaS81qJg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Something for the windscreen, that plastic film that clings - that will not mark the car, but does indeed set it apart.

Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Stephenson

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 6:41 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

I like that. Tape it up on a window somewhere. What does everyone else think?

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:21 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

Mark ... how about something simpler to administrate - if they are not driving a Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of their Jaguar and bring it on the Tour ... Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common with us and will be valuable additions.

Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them send us pictures?

I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and accept or reject.

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ...

Bob England

--Boundary_(ID_+0ilJP+TUHQOSfjaS81qJg)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 10:03:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (jonat@autox.team.net) Date: Mon Jan 26 10:03:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Message-ID: <1075136542.4015481eacbff@webmail.telus.net> I'm sure that an extra day could be absorbed in the mountains between Golden and Calgary. Right now the schedule is still quite leisurely, but we could do a detour up to the Columbia Icefields. The only possible concern is that we are getting into the tourist season and accomidation is expensive at places like Banff and Lake Louise. Craig Quoting Bob : > Hello All ! > > I had the following below from Alan in Winnipeg. He would like to have the > tour arrive a day or two later in his sector to coordinate with an event > taking place in Winnipeg. George from Minnesota has also expressed some > interest in linking with this event as a number of the people in his area > will be attending. > > In looking at the event itinerary he sent to me, it would look like if we > arrived in Winnipeg on the Thursday (June 3) rather than the Wednesday > (i.e. > one day later), and had a one day layover in Winnipeg rather than zero > days, > this would seem to be about right (does this jive with your thinking > Alan/George?) > > This effects the SC's planning in three ways: > - Orlando to Vancouver - no change > - Okanagan to Regina - someone has to pick up the extra day, and the > downstream guys have to shift their planning by an extra day. > - Minnesota to Orlando - this shifts your planning back by two days (i.e. > the Tour ends two days later) > > Therefore I will need concurrence from the following SC's - wouldn't mind > feedback from the ASC's too! From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 14:23:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:23:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <006501c3e422$20816dc0$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <003a01c3e452$69dce000$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3E4AE.9D135C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars' and deal = with any requests as they come up. BTW, what was our position on = lumps/jag-powered vehicles and replicas? Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you = suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will = do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is = a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary = thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a = Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side. Gregory =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Stephenson=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 ...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they could = join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the = non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way. So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to = Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't = be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag = driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many = sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to = Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in = common with us and will be valuable additions.=20 Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to = prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be = something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last = minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them = send us pictures?=20 I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website = that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if = circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. = We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't = driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and = accept or reject. Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down = ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased = personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar = Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively = whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, = or should I run away again ... Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3E4AE.9D135C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I tend to agree. Let's just start with = 'open to all=20 Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come up. BTW, what was our = position=20 on lumps/jag-powered vehicles and replicas?

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 2:36=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Mark:

 Your points are = well taken,=20 but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people = can use=20 a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them = at the=20 front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a = non-Jaguar=20 should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our = plans. If=20 people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement = from our=20 side.

 = = =20 = =20 Gregory

 = = =20 = =20

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Stephenson
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 12:38=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

...And my thought was that as long as they = owned a=20 Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in = a pack=20 and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the=20 way.

So, I think it's almost unanimous that it = should be=20 restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to = grant owners=20 who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing = the=20 non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us for = that many=20 sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to = Jaguar-driving=20 owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in common = with us and=20 will be valuable additions.

Another factor to consider is that we = aren't going to=20 be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto = project=20 could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up = to the=20 last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, = make=20 them send us pictures?

I think we should make a statement on the = entry form=20 and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their = Jaguar,=20 but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion = in=20 another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they = own, why=20 they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can = review=20 them and accept or reject.

Mark

From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of=20 Bob
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has = died down=20 ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of = biased=20 personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar = Enthusiasts"=20 driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they = want=20 (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or = should I run=20 away again ...

Bob=20 = England
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3E4AE.9D135C40-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 14:25:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:25:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba References: <008e01c3e422$fb2e91a0$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <004701c3e452$aee21850$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3E4AE.E2262920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my = Australian, loyalist, tongue!) :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, = Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be = marked, whereever the group is. = Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and = Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in = your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to = mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and = just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the = same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the = Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra = day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more = thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to = him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of = the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road = too. Bob =20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour = with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or = not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days = extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? = What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? = :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping = the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3E4AE.E2262920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(This is an opening for a whole new = thread - but=20 I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!)

:-)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 2:42=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = Manitoba

Yes, if the American Independence day = will be=20 marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your = age)=20 should also be marked, whereever the group is.

 = = =20 = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 5:16=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

We=20 are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and = Independence=20 Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector = ?

Bob=20 England

-----Original = Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the area SC = should have=20 something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than = gathering in=20 a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' !

Fazal

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 2:08=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to = finish on the=20 same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the=20 Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an = extra day=20 in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very=20 clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July = 7th. And one=20 more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up = when I=20 talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the = 4th in=20 his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone = else is on=20 the road too.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf=20 Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at least, it = would be=20 good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not = sure if=20 that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might = have (as=20 you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R = between=20 Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's = camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and = exchange silver=20 rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave = of=20 abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, = though}

Fazal Cader
Executive = Committee, ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 = - July 4,=20 2004

------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3E4AE.E2262920-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 14:27:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:27:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <00a201c3e423$29bf0a40$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <005201c3e453$01f444f0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3E4AF.352F5510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Side windows, I think, and not the windscreen. Personally, putting a = reasonable sized pic on my windscreen would affect my field of vision = and may not be considered safe. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Something for the windscreen, that plastic film that clings - that = will not mark the car, but does indeed set it apart. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Stephenson=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 6:41 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 I like that. Tape it up on a window somewhere. What does everyone = else think? Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:21 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Mark ... how about something simpler to administrate - if they are = not driving a Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of their = Jaguar and bring it on the Tour ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 ...And my thought was that as long as they owned a Jaguar they = could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together in a pack and the = non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the way. So, I think it's almost unanimous that it should be restricted to = Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to grant owners who won't = be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't thing the non-Jag = driving owners will be that interested in joining us for that many = sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to = Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have something in = common with us and will be valuable additions.=20 Another factor to consider is that we aren't going to be able to = prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto project could be = something that he intended to have done, and he worked up to the last = minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to do, make them = send us pictures?=20 I think we should make a statement on the entry form and website = that we would hope entrants would participate in their Jaguar, but if = circumstances prevent that, they can apply for inclusion in another car. = We make them write up a short essay on what they own, why they aren't = driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we can review them and = accept or reject. Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died = down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of = biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar = Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively = whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, = or should I run away again ... Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3E4AF.352F5510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Side windows, I think, and not the = windscreen.=20 Personally, putting a reasonable sized pic on my windscreen would affect = my=20 field of vision and may not be considered safe.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 2:43=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Something for the windscreen, that = plastic film=20 that clings - that will not mark the car, but does indeed set it=20 apart.

 = = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Stephenson
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 6:41=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

I like that. Tape it up on a window = somewhere. What=20 does everyone else think?

Mark

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of=20 Bob
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:21 = AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

Mark ... how about something simpler to administrate - if = they are=20 not driving a Jaguar they have to bring a copy of a picture of = their=20 Jaguar and bring it on the Tour ... Bob

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf=20 Of Mark Stephenson
Sent: January 26, 2004 2:38=20 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: = [JONAT]=20 Controversy 101

...And my thought was that as long as = they owned a=20 Jaguar they could join us, but the Jaguars get to travel together = in a=20 pack and the non-Jags had to lead, follow, or get out of the=20 way.

So, I think it's almost unanimous that it = should be=20 restricted to Jaguar owners, the question is how much leeway to = grant=20 owners who won't be driving their cars. As I said earlier, I don't = thing=20 the non-Jag driving owners will be that interested in joining us = for that=20 many sectors, so I think their numbers will be small compared to=20 Jaguar-driving owners. But, as owners, I think they'll have = something in=20 common with us and will be valuable additions. =

Another factor to consider is that we = aren't going to=20 be able to prove any of this anyway. The guy's decades old resto = project=20 could be something that he intended to have done, and he worked up = to the=20 last minute and just didn't quite make it. What are we going to = do, make=20 them send us pictures?

I think we should make a statement on the = entry form=20 and website that we would hope entrants would participate in their = Jaguar,=20 but if circumstances prevent that, they can apply for = inclusion in=20 another car. We make them write up a short essay on what they = own,=20 why they aren't driving it, and what they will be driving. Then we = can=20 review them and accept or reject.

Mark

From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of=20 Bob
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat = has died=20 down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit = of=20 biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is = "Jaguar=20 Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively = whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I = on track=20 here, or should I run away again ...

Bob = = England
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3E4AF.352F5510-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 14:54:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bill Borrusch) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:54:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] (no subject) Message-ID: <000e01c3e439$7c2e8c40$218d0404@dslverizon.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3E40F.8D0715C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 I try to go to http://www.jonet.org and I can not get it to come up. = What am I doing wrong??? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3E40F.8D0715C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

 I try to go to http://www.jonet.org and I can not get = it to=20 come up. What am I doing wrong???

 Bill
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3E40F.8D0715C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 14:55:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bill Borrusch) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:55:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector Map Updates References: Message-ID: <001301c3e43a$0b696b00$218d0404@dslverizon.net> Hi Bob, I put in http://jonat.org and I can not get the page to come up. What is secret? Bill From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 14:56:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bill Borrusch) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:56:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Message-ID: <001e01c3e43a$58eeffc0$218d0404@dslverizon.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E410.6FC50B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Where do I get the latest information on the tour??? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E410.6FC50B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

 Where do I get the latest information on the=20 tour???

 =20 Bill
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E410.6FC50B60-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 15:12:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (D & B Cooke) Date: Mon Jan 26 15:12:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] (no subject) References: <000e01c3e439$7c2e8c40$218d0404@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <40158F61.000013.00244@REC-ROOM> --Boundary_(ID_haKYXeh0g51VUwn6cv17sw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BEbVWpieYi9RdPJy0XaLbw)" --Boundary_(ID_BEbVWpieYi9RdPJy0XaLbw) Content-type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bill: I think the JONAT site is down. Server problems? Dave -------Original Message------- From: jonat@autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:55:02 PM To: JONAT@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] (no subject) Hi, I try to go to http://www.jonet.org and I can not get it to come up. What am I doing wrong??? Bill --Boundary_(ID_BEbVWpieYi9RdPJy0XaLbw) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Bill:

I think the JONAT site is down. Server problems?

Dave

-------Original Message-------

From: jonat@autox.team.net

Date: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:55:02 PM

To: JONAT@autox.team.net

Subject: [JONAT] (no subject)

Hi,

 I try to go to http://www.jonet.org and I can not get it to come up. What am I doing wrong???

 Bill

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Hi Bill ... go to www.jonat.org, or, to save a step to get the detailed info, go to http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT.htm ... just tried it myself and the server must be down at the moment (it was working this morning).

Bob England
R.J.England Consulting Professional Engineer Ltd.
Cell : (306) 533-2052 Phone : (306) 352-5771 Fax : (306) 352-5280

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bill Borrusch
Sent: January 26, 2004 12:30 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: [JONAT] JONAT

Hi,

 Where do I get the latest information on the tour???

 Bill
--Boundary_(ID_FJAH8tDV9mlPAM4aeuOioQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 15:49:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Mon Jan 26 15:49:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba References: <008e01c3e422$fb2e91a0$77214518@GREG> <004701c3e452$aee21850$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <012001c3e45e$4bece160$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_uT7W0x7sGsUoIqXz3jQ6JQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Happy Australia Day! Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba (This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!) :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 --Boundary_(ID_uT7W0x7sGsUoIqXz3jQ6JQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Happy Australia Day!

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Fazal Cader

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

(This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!)

:-)

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ?

Bob England

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' !

Fazal

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though}

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

--Boundary_(ID_uT7W0x7sGsUoIqXz3jQ6JQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 19:08:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (craig talbot) Date: Mon Jan 26 19:08:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <006501c3e422$20816dc0$77214518@GREG> <003a01c3e452$69dce000$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <4015C98F.17B538E4@telus.net> Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was originally asked to co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me with the organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered if he could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him?
Craig

Fazal Cader wrote:
I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come up. Fazal

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101
Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side. Gregory
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England

From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 19:46:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 26 19:46:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <4015C98F.17B538E4@telus.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3E44D.431E4DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Craig ... you are not the only one - Ian who is coordinating the local Sector here has a similar issue ... I'm sure we can figure something out ... or better yet, get him to buy a Jaguar for heavens sake (don't leave home without one!) ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of craig talbot Sent: January 26, 2004 8:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was originally asked to co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me with the organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered if he could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him? Craig Fazal Cader wrote: I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come up. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side. Gregory ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3E44D.431E4DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Craig ... you are not the only one - Ian who is coordinating the=20 local Sector here has a similar issue ... I'm sure we can = figure=20 something out ... or better yet, get him to buy a Jaguar for = heavens sake=20 (don't leave home without one!) ... Bob

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of craig=20 talbot
Sent: January 26, 2004 8:15 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club = (which=20 was originally asked to co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he = could help=20 me with the organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he = wondered if he could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I = tell=20 him?=20
Craig
=20
Fazal Cader wrote:=20
I tend to agree. Let's just start = with 'open to=20 all Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come=20 up. Fazal=20

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 2:36=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101
Mark: Your points are well = taken, but=20 I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people = can use a=20 Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them = at the=20 front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a = non-Jaguar=20 should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our = plans. If=20 people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement = from our=20 side. = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp;=20 Gregory=20
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.= net]=20 On Behalf Of Bob=20

Sent: Sunday, January 25, = 2004 4:15=20 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy = 101=20

OK ... I've run away and come = back now that=20 the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread = (with a=20 little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority = thinking=20 is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but=20 alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or = Jeep-uar). =20 Am I on track here, or should I run away again=20 ... Bob=20 = England
_______________________________________________=20 JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : = JONAT@autox.team.net=20 www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ = ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3E44D.431E4DA0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 20:03:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Mon Jan 26 20:03:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <4015C98F.17B538E4@telus.net> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3157994298_28314717 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tell him he can ride with you! Trey On 1/26/04 8:14 PM, "craig talbot" wrote: > Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was originally asked to > co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me with the > organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered if he > could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him? > > Craig > > > Fazal Cader wrote: >> I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars' and deal with >> any requests as they come up. Fazal >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk >>> To: jonat@autox.team.net >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM >>> Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 >>> Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you >>> suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will do >>> so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is a bit >>> optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not >>> something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they >>> will, without any encouragement from our side. >>> Gregory >>> >>> From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Bob >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM >>>>> To: jonat@autox.team.net >>>>> Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 >>>>> >>>>> OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if >>>>> I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal >>>>> interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving >>>>> preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a >>>>> MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... >>>>> Bob England >>>>> _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH >>>>> AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org >>>>> _______________________________________________ --B_3157994298_28314717 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Tell him he can ride wi= th you!

Trey

On 1/26/04 8:14 PM, "craig talbot" <talbotc@telus.net> wrot= e:

Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was originally asked to co= -ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me with the organizatio= n. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered if he could tag a= long on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him?

Craig

Fazal Cader wrote:

I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars'= and deal with any requests as they come up. Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk <mail= to:v12-vdp@shaw.ca>
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101
Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit d= ifferently. If you suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certa= in number will do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of a= ny queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraord= inary thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEE= D to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side. &nbs= p; &n= bsp; = &nbs= p; Gregory

From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101

OK ... I've run away and come back now that the he= at has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit = of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar= Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whate= ver they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or = should I run away again ...= Bob England
_______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORT= H AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _= ______________________________________________

--B_3157994298_28314717-- From jonat@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 21:14:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:14:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] INDIANA In-Reply-To: <005201c3e453$01f444f0$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3E459.8F77EF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date conflict, and had to resign as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got started, but did provide some valuable input to us. Phil did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try. We now have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and George), and it looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. However, between them and Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, plus no-one in Toronto as of yet. We do seem to have some interest on the south side of Lake Erie (Ohio). The Tour has always been based on connecting areas with an interest in organizing the Tour, filling in as we gather momentum. We have an opportunity think about this portion of the route for a bit (only a short bit though). The Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area ... if we go back to the original concept of running the Tour north of Indiana we might even save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking for. This would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one which is quite a bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. Perhaps we could get one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector from Detroit to Niagara Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and Phil) in Ottawa to pick up from Niagara Falls rather than Toronto (i.e. an extra day at the beginning of their sector). This would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the lives of a few of you others. Comments, questions, (flames!)? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3E459.8F77EF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date = conflict, and=20 had to resign as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got started, but = did=20 provide some valuable input to us.

Phil=20 did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try.

We now=20 have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and George), = and it=20 looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. However, between = them and=20 Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, plus no-one in Toronto as of=20 yet. We do seem to have some interest on the south side of = Lake Erie=20 (Ohio). The Tour has always been based on connecting areas with an = interest in organizing the Tour, filling in as we gather momentum. = We have=20 an opportunity think about this portion of the route for a bit (only a = short bit=20 though). The Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area ... if we = go back=20 to the original concept of running the Tour north of Indiana we = might even=20 save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking = for.

This=20 would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one which is = quite a=20 bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. Perhaps we = could get=20 one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector from Detroit to Niagara=20 Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and Phil) in Ottawa to pick = up from=20 Niagara Falls rather than Toronto (i.e. an extra day at the beginning of = their=20 sector).

This=20 would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the lives of a = few of=20 you others.

Comments, questions, = (flames!)?

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3E459.8F77EF10-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 01:08:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 27 01:08:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Re: [JONAT-chat] Houston-Dallas leg References: Message-ID: <00a801c3e4ac$85b1b670$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C3E508.B8FD8F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in favour of anything that makes the drive more interesting. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sam Emrick=20 To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: [JONAT-chat] Houston-Dallas leg Thanks to all who are *really* contributing to this. Realize how much = work it is, and how easy it is to just sit on the sidelines and throw in = random ideas. Anyway.... having said that, for the HOUSTON-DALLAS leg, = the planned route is, in my humble opinion, rather bee-line boring and = perhaps somewhat non-inclusive. That is, wondered if there would be = interest in a more meandering route, through San Antonio, Austin, and = then Texas hill-country? Such changes could significantly increase Texas = participation. It'd be a lot more scenic and pleasent drive. On the = other hand, it'd potentially lengthen the HOUSTON-DALLS leg from a 3-4 = hour jaunt to a 6-8 hour excursion, and I realize chedules cannot be = wildly expanded in such ways everywhere. Just throwing out the thought. = If there is interest, I would be happy to help in creating a straw-man = alternate route proposal.=20 Sam Austin, TX=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C3E508.B8FD8F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in favour of anything that makes = the drive more=20 interesting.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sam = Emrick=20
To: jonat-chat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 6:25=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT-chat] = Houston-Dallas=20 leg

Thanks to all who are *really* contributing to this. Realize = how much=20 work it is, and how easy it is to just sit on the sidelines and throw = in=20 random ideas. Anyway.... having said that, for the HOUSTON-DALLAS leg, = the=20 planned route is, in my humble opinion, rather bee-line boring and = perhaps=20 somewhat non-inclusive. That is, wondered if there would be interest = in a more=20 meandering route, through San Antonio, Austin, and then Texas = hill-country?=20 Such changes could significantly increase Texas participation. It'd be = a lot=20 more scenic and pleasent drive. On the other hand, it'd potentially = lengthen=20 the HOUSTON-DALLS leg from a 3-4 hour jaunt to a 6-8 hour excursion, = and I=20 realize chedules cannot be wildly expanded in such ways everywhere. = Just=20 throwing out the thought. If there is interest, I would be happy to = help in=20 creating a straw-man alternate route proposal.
Sam
Austin, TX=20
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C3E508.B8FD8F70-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 01:10:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 27 01:10:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba References: <008e01c3e422$fb2e91a0$77214518@GREG> <004701c3e452$aee21850$d6148890@FAZAL> <012001c3e45e$4bece160$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <00b501c3e4ac$c1f395e0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C3E508.F534C080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you. It was celebrated in the usual aussie style showing class & = sophistication, as usual. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Happy Australia Day! Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba (This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my = Australian, loyalist, tongue!) :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, = Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be = marked, whereever the group is. = Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and = Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in = your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind = to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park = and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on = the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the = Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra = day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one = more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked = to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner = of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road = too. Bob =20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the = tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan = or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days = extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? = What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or = something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's = sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C3E508.F534C080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you. It was celebrated in the = usual aussie=20 style showing class & sophistication, as usual.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 9:46=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = Manitoba

Happy Australia Day!

 = = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 1:23=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

(This is an opening for a whole new = thread -=20 but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!)

:-)

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 2:42=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Yes, if the American Independence = day will be=20 marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals = your age)=20 should also be marked, whereever the group is.

 = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 5:16=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day = (July 1) and=20 Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday = party in=20 your Sector ?

Bob=20 England

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the area = SC should=20 have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other = than=20 gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt'=20 !

Fazal

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Monday, January = 26, 2004=20 2:08 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to = finish on=20 the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the=20 Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added = an extra=20 day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very=20 clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July = 7th. And=20 one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) = brought up=20 when I talked to him last September - he suggested = travelling on=20 the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle = as=20 everyone else is on the road too.

Bob

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On=20 Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 = 4:11=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [JONAT]=20 JONAT Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at = least, it would=20 be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando = (not=20 sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, = if we=20 might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a = bit of=20 R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at = Fried's=20 camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and = exchange=20 silver rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on the = wave of=20 abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me,=20 though}

Fazal Cader
Executive = Committee, ISC -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, = 2004 - July=20 4, 2004

------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C3E508.F534C080-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 01:15:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 27 01:15:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 References: <006501c3e422$20816dc0$77214518@GREG> <003a01c3e452$69dce000$d6148890@FAZAL> <4015C98F.17B538E4@telus.net> Message-ID: <00f701c3e4ad$84587290$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3E509.B7AA6610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, so he's member of a Jag club? That's a plus. No Jag? That's a minus = but by joining he has shown his interest in the marque.=20 Non-Jags to the rear of the convoy, I feel. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: craig talbot=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was originally asked to = co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me with the = organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered if = he could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him?=20 Craig=20 =20 Fazal Cader wrote:=20 I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars' and = deal with any requests as they come up. Fazal=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit = differently. If you suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a = certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or = rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should = be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our plans. If = people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from = our side. Gregory=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob=20 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101=20 =20 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died = down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of = biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar = Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively = whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, = or should I run away again ... Bob England _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH = AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org = _______________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3E509.B7AA6610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, so he's member of a Jag club? = That's a plus. No=20 Jag? That's a minus but by joining he has shown his interest in the = marque.=20

Non-Jags to the rear of the convoy, I=20 feel.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 craig = talbot=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 1:14=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was = originally=20 asked to co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me = with the=20 organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered = if he=20 could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him?=20
Craig
=20
Fazal Cader wrote:=20
I tend to agree. Let's just start = with 'open=20 to all Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come=20 up. Fazal=20

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 2:36=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101
Mark: Your points are = well taken,=20 but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that = people can=20 use a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of = keeping them=20 at the front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of = a=20 non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not something = "written into"=20 our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any = encouragement from our side. = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp;=20 Gregory=20
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.= net]=20 On Behalf Of Bob=20

Sent: Sunday, January 25, = 2004 4:15=20 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy = 101=20

OK ... I've run away and come = back now=20 that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this = thread=20 (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the = majority=20 thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their = Jaguars, but=20 alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or=20 Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away = again=20 ... Bob=20 = England
_______________________________________________=20 JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO :=20 JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org=20 _______________________________________________ =
------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C3E509.B7AA6610-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 06:17:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue Jan 27 06:17:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <00f701c3e4ad$84587290$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3E4A5.7B3232D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think he's a member of a British car club, rather than a Jag club ... and ... Recent discussions being jag owner's only on the Tour ... there's Craig's (and others!) dilemma. How about - the Tour is for Jag owners, and if non-Jag owners assist on the Sector Committee, he/she then becomes an honourary Jag owner ? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 27, 2004 2:14 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK, so he's member of a Jag club? That's a plus. No Jag? That's a minus but by joining he has shown his interest in the marque. Non-Jags to the rear of the convoy, I feel. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: craig talbot To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was originally asked to co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me with the organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered if he could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him? Craig Fazal Cader wrote: I tend to agree. Let's just start with 'open to all Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come up. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101 Mark: Your points are well taken, but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that people can use a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of keeping them at the front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of a non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not something "written into" our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any encouragement from our side. Gregory -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:15 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 101 OK ... I've run away and come back now that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this thread (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the majority thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their Jaguars, but alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away again ... Bob England _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3E4A5.7B3232D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 think he's a member of a British car club, rather than a Jag club ... = and ...=20 Recent discussions being jag owner's only on the Tour ... there's = Craig's (and=20 others!) dilemma.

How=20 about - the Tour is for Jag owners, and if non-Jag owners assist on = the=20 Sector Committee, he/she then becomes an honourary Jag owner=20 ?

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 27, 2004 2:14 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20 101

OK, so he's member of a Jag club? = That's a plus. No=20 Jag? That's a minus but by joining he has shown his interest in the = marque.=20

Non-Jags to the rear of the convoy, I=20 feel.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 craig = talbot=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 1:14=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101

Ok, I'll be first. A member of our club (which was = originally=20 asked to co-ordinate the Calgary sector) asked if he could help me = with the=20 organization. He happens to own a TR6 and no Jaguars, and he wondered = if he=20 could tag along on the tour through my sector. What do I tell him?=20
Craig
=20
Fazal Cader wrote:=20
I tend to agree. Let's just start = with 'open=20 to all Jaguars' and deal with any requests as they come=20 up. Fazal=20

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 2:36=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy=20 101
Mark: Your points are = well taken,=20 but I see it a bit differently. If you suggest in writing that = people can=20 use a Brand X, a certain number will do so (and the idea of = keeping them=20 at the front or rear of any queue is a bit optimistic). The use of = a=20 non-Jaguar should be an extraordinary thing, not something = "written into"=20 our plans. If people NEED to use a Brand X, they will, without any = encouragement from our side. = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp;=20 Gregory=20
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.= net]=20 On Behalf Of Bob=20

Sent: Sunday, January 25, = 2004 4:15=20 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy = 101=20

OK ... I've run away and come = back now=20 that the heat has died down ... if I follow the gist of this = thread=20 (with a little bit of biased personal interpretation) ... the = majority=20 thinking is "Jaguar Enthusiasts" driving preferably their = Jaguars, but=20 alternatively whatever they want (such as a MGB-uar or=20 Jeep-uar). Am I on track here, or should I run away = again=20 ... Bob=20 = England
_______________________________________________=20 JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO :=20 JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org=20 _______________________________________________ =
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3E4A5.7B3232D0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 06:29:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue Jan 27 06:29:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <00f701c3e4ad$84587290$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3E4A7.29DB5FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the Tour. There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3E4A7.29DB5FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For my=20 part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of the = convoy=20 approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's a = logistical=20 PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the=20 Tour.

There=20 likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway.

Anyone=20 else feel the same (or do I run away and hide = again!).

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3E4A7.29DB5FE0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 06:29:08 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue Jan 27 06:29:08 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 103 --> was --> Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <00f701c3e4ad$84587290$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3E4A7.29F55080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And another thing while I'm up on my high horse ... Someone a few e-mails ago brought up "what constitutes a Jag"? Some thoughts to ponder ... - Jag with Jag engine - no brainer here. - Jag with lump engine - looks the same on the outside so I think should be OK - maybe we should make them wear funny hats. Don't forget the first Jags (prewar Swallow Sidecars rather) fall into this category. - Jag engine in another vehicle - now we're getting to the tricky bit, but I think it should be OK (?) Anyone have a Scorpion Tank ? May never be an issue anyway. - Jag replica ? - should be OK, their heart is in the right place, but those SS-100 "replicas" on the VW chassis make me cringe. - non Jag body & non Jag engine but Jag other bits - here's where we should probably draw the line - many Shelby Cobras were built with Jag rear ends but that might be stretching it a bit. More thoughts, comments, flames? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3E4A7.29F55080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And=20 another thing while I'm up on my high horse ...

Someone a few e-mails ago brought up "what = constitutes=20 a Jag"?

Some=20 thoughts to ponder ...

- Jag=20 with Jag engine - no brainer here.

- Jag=20 with lump engine - looks the same on the outside so I think should be OK = - maybe=20 we should make them wear funny hats. Don't forget the first Jags = (prewar=20 Swallow Sidecars rather) fall into this category.

- Jag=20 engine in another vehicle - now we're getting to the tricky bit, but I = think it=20 should be OK (?) Anyone have a Scorpion Tank ? May never be = an issue=20 anyway.

- Jag=20 replica ? - should be OK, their heart is in the right place, but = those=20 SS-100 "replicas" on the VW chassis make me cringe.

- non=20 Jag body & non Jag engine but Jag other bits - here's where we = should=20 probably draw the line - many Shelby Cobras were built with Jag rear = ends but=20 that might be stretching it a bit.

More=20 thoughts, comments, flames?

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3E4A7.29F55080-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 08:31:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Tue Jan 27 08:31:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 References: Message-ID: <00c801c3e4ea$66ee9da0$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C3E4B8.1BE650A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but = some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. = Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha = owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys = coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, make = it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a = Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar car = (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over = discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is = helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on = the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20 That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club = members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to = accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's = sponsoring car club or organization. So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say we = can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I will = now run for some office somewhere. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear = of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, = it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism = on the Tour. There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C3E4B8.1BE650A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan) we=20 have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that can go = on this=20 trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one = Alpha=20 owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys = coffee=20 sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him=20 anyway.

However, I have said previously that as = long as we=20 promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I = see NO=20 PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present = non-Jaguar=20 car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over = discussed.=20 It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is helping = us out=20 may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on the Tour, in = fact, quite=20 the opposite.

That being said:....I would = limit non-Jag=20 cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in the=20 organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour = who is=20 not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or = organization.

So I seem to fit in with all the other = emails on=20 this topic as I say we can have non-Jag cars = and we=20 can not have non-Jag cars. I think I = will now=20 run for some office somewhere.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 7:28=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 102 --->=20 was Controversy 101

For=20 my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of = the convoy=20 approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's a=20 logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the = Tour.

There likely won't be all that many = non-Jags=20 anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away = and hide=20 again!).

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C3E4B8.1BE650A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 10:49:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Tue Jan 27 10:49:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3E4CB.5E650A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Australia Day Not to put too fine a point on it, but do you mean with beer and a barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the eastern US is in the grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, not bask, but there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes ago. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Thank you. It was celebrated in the usual aussie style showing class & sophistication, as usual. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Happy Australia Day! Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba (This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!) :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3E4CB.5E650A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Australia = Day

Not to put too fine a point on it, but = do you mean=20 with beer and a barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the eastern = US is=20 in the grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, not = bask, but=20 there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes = ago.

 =20 = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 12:08=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT = Manitoba

Thank you. It was celebrated in the = usual aussie=20 style showing class & sophistication, as usual.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 9:46=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Happy Australia Day!

 = =20 = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Fazal = Cader=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 1:23=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

(This is an opening for a whole = new thread -=20 but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!)

:-)

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January = 27, 2004=20 2:42 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

Yes, if the American = Independence day will=20 be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day = reveals your=20 age) should also be marked, whereever the group is.

 = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Monday, January = 26, 2004=20 5:16 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day = (July 1) and=20 Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday = party in=20 your Sector ?

Bob=20 England

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: = jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the area = SC should=20 have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. = (Other than=20 gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt'=20 !

Fazal

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January = 26, 2004=20 2:08 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted = to finish=20 on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched = the=20 Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added = an=20 extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very=20 clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July = 7th. =20 And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) = brought=20 up when I talked to him last September - he suggested=20 travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a = bit of a=20 hassle as everyone else is on the road = too.

Bob

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On=20 Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 = 4:11=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [JONAT]=20 JONAT Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at = least, it would=20 be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into = Orlando (not=20 sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, = if we=20 might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a = bit of=20 R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at = Fried's=20 camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and = exchange=20 silver rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on = the wave of=20 abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me,=20 though}

Fazal Cader
Executive = Committee, ISC=20 - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, = 2004 -=20 July 4, 2004

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3E4CB.5E650A80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 12:12:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Steve Clark) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:12:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day Message-ID: <9A19266AA4B55C4E90EA84EF42212410130D90@TCMAIL1.tcpl.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E509.5C692078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, that's enough....if you guys don't stop gloating we're gonna charge a tariff when you cross the AB/BC border come May......-31C and -41C with the wind chill in Calgary. Yikes! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:48 AM To: JONAT MailList Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day =09 =09 =09 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Australia Day =09 =09 Not to put too fine a point on it, but do you mean with beer and a barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the eastern US is in the grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, not bask, but there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes ago. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Thank you. It was celebrated in the usual aussie style showing class & sophistication, as usual. =20 Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Happy Australia Day! =09 Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba (This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!) =20 :-) =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is. =09 Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ? =20 Bob England =09 =20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba =09 =09 OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! =20 Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal =20 It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. =20 Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too. =20 Bob =20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba =09 =09 Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} =20 Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E509.5C692078 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
OK,=20 that's enough....if you guys don't stop gloating we're gonna charge a = tariff=20 when you cross the AB/BC border come May......-31C and -41C with = the wind=20 chill in Calgary. Yikes!

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf Of=20 Bob
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:48 = AM
To: JONAT=20 MailList
Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia = Day

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Australia = Day

Not to put too fine a point on it, = but do you=20 mean with beer and a barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the = eastern=20 US is in the grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, = not=20 bask, but there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes=20 ago.

 = = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 12:08=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Thank you. It was celebrated in the = usual=20 aussie style showing class & sophistication, as = usual.

Fazal

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 9:46=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Happy Australia Day!

 = =20 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Fazal = Cader=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 1:23=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

(This is an opening for a whole = new thread=20 - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, = tongue!)

:-)

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January = 27, 2004=20 2:42 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

Yes, if the American = Independence day=20 will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion = Day=20 reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group=20 is.

 = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January = 26, 2004=20 5:16 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day = (July 1)=20 and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big = birthday=20 party in your Sector ?

Bob=20 England

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal = Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: = jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the = area SC should=20 have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. = (Other than=20 gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & = Liszt'=20 !

Fazal

----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, = January 26,=20 2004 2:08 PM

Subject: RE: = [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted = to finish=20 on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we = stretched the=20 Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then = added an=20 extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't = very=20 clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July = 7th. =20 And one more thing to think about that Hudson = (Orlando)=20 brought up when I talked to him last September - he = suggested=20 travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be = a bit of=20 a hassle as everyone else is on the road = too.

Bob

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of = Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at = least, it=20 would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry = into=20 Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was=20 mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days = extra, maybe=20 we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and = Orlando?=20 What about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' = and exchange=20 silver rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on = the wave of=20 abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me,=20 though}

Fazal Cader
Executive = Committee,=20 ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April = 15, 2004 -=20 July 4, 2004

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E509.5C692078-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 12:45:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Steve Clark) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:45:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 Message-ID: <9A19266AA4B55C4E90EA84EF42212410130D93@TCMAIL1.tcpl.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E50D.E0D0CD2F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in...... =20 I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would understand and honour this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!" =20 Let the shunning begin! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 =09 =09 As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. =20 However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20 =20 That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization. =20 So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I will now run for some office somewhere. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the Tour. =20 There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. =20 Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). =20 Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E50D.E0D0CD2F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Flame=20 suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in......

I=20 agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are overworking=20 this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the = procession must=20 de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join in the = spirit of=20 things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving a Jag, I = suggest we=20 encourage them to follow the procession rather than inserting themselves = amongst=20 the Cats but there is no way we can really police it in any event. = I'd=20 like to think of it as more a collection of groupies trailing = us (I=20 always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) :-). I think most = would=20 understand and honour this type of request.....hey we could even take it = one=20 step further and give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I = was a=20 Jag!"

Let=20 the shunning begin!

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf Of=20 Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 = AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 = --->=20 was Controversy 101

As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan) we=20 have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that can = go on=20 this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our = one=20 Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he = buys=20 coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him=20 anyway.

However, I have said previously that = as long as=20 we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, = etc. I=20 see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his = present=20 non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised = nor=20 over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club = member who is=20 helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on = the=20 Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.

That being said:....I would = limit non-Jag=20 cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in the=20 organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour = who is=20 not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or=20 organization.

So I seem to fit in with all the = other emails on=20 this topic as I say we can have non-Jag cars = and we=20 can not have non-Jag cars. I think I = will now=20 run for some office somewhere.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 7:28=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

For my part I am quite strongly opposed = to the=20 "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been = discussed over=20 he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. = Two, it=20 promotes clique-ism on the Tour.

There likely won't be all that many = non-Jags=20 anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I run = away and=20 hide again!).

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E50D.E0D0CD2F-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:08:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Jan 27 13:08:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] numbers Message-ID: <00da01c3e50b$72468110$77214518@GREG> OK gents...our discussions in this sector are now centering around numbers. How, and when will we know how many people will be in any given sector? Will we have a cut-off time after which no more can join? If, for example, we get a Jaguar dealership to sponsor a reception based on a projected turn-out of 30 cars, and 200 show up (one of my club members last night warned me that a recent MG tour in this area drew 250 cars, which shocked organisers), what should we do? How will the JONAT fee and sector fees be collected? Gregory From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 17:35:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Brad Preiss) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:35:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: <9A19266AA4B55C4E90EA84EF42212410130D93@TCMAIL1.tcpl.ca> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3E509.FD0D9CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageNo shunning from me - I agree 100% If only to promote the Ownership of Jags and future growth in Jag clubs - and they want to pay the entrance fee ( and that is what again?? ) - let 'em in and put 'em to the back of the line.... Brad -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steve Clark Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:44 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in...... I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would understand and honour this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!" Let the shunning begin! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite. That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization. So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I will now run for some office somewhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the Tour. There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3E509.FD0D9CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
No=20 shunning from me - I agree 100%

If=20 only to promote the Ownership of Jags and future growth in Jag clubs - = and they=20 want to pay the entrance fee ( and that is what again?? ) - let 'em = in and=20 put 'em to the back of the line....

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steve=20 Clark
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:44 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 = --->=20 was Controversy 101

Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs = in......

I=20 agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are = overworking=20 this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the = procession=20 must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join = in the=20 spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving = a Jag, I=20 suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than = inserting=20 themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police = it in any=20 event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of = groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) = :-). I think most would understand and honour this type of=20 request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a = static=20 cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!"

Let=20 the shunning begin!

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf=20 Of Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30=20 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101

As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan)=20 we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that = can go=20 on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, = except our=20 one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with = because he=20 buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like = him=20 anyway.

However, I have said previously = that as long as=20 we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, = etc. I=20 see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his = present=20 non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be = advertised nor=20 over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club = member who=20 is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative = impact on=20 the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.

That being said:....I would = limit non-Jag=20 cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in = the=20 organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the = Tour who=20 is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or=20 organization.

So I seem to fit in with all the = other emails=20 on this topic as I say we can have non-Jag = cars=20 and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think = I=20 will now run for some office somewhere.

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 7:28=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

For my part I am quite strongly opposed = to the=20 "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been = discussed over=20 he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. = Two, it=20 promotes clique-ism on the Tour.

There likely won't be all that many = non-Jags=20 anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I run = away and=20 hide again!).

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3E509.FD0D9CE0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 18:38:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:38:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] INDIANA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401711C2.9090105@jonat.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070604030609040500050404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have spoken to the President of the Toronto Club tonight and asked if he knew about JONAT and what where they planning for "their" sector. He confessed almost total ignorance but said he would raise the subject at their February meeting. I suggest that if it makes sense cross at Niagara Falls or Buffalo that either Toronto or Ottawa will collect participants there. I am not enthusiastic at having to organize the Niagara to Toronto sector as it is full of great things to do and I am too far away. Don't count us out though. Mike -- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org Bob wrote: > Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date conflict, and had to resign > as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got started, but did provide some > valuable input to us. > > Phil did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try. > > We now have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and > George), and it looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. > However, between them and Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, > plus no-one in Toronto as of yet. We do seem to have some interest on > the south side of Lake Erie (Ohio). The Tour has always been based on > connecting areas with an interest in organizing the Tour, filling in > as we gather momentum. We have an opportunity think about this > portion of the route for a bit (only a short bit though). The > Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area ... if we go back to the > original concept of running the Tour north of Indiana we might even > save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking for. > > This would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one > which is quite a bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. > Perhaps we could get one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector > from Detroit to Niagara Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and > Phil) in Ottawa to pick up from Niagara Falls rather than Toronto > (i.e. an extra day at the beginning of their sector). > > This would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the > lives of a few of you others. > > Comments, questions, (flames!)? > > > Bob England > '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) > Route Coordinator > http://www.jonat.org > > --------------070604030609040500050404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have spoken to the President of the Toronto Club tonight and asked if he knew about JONAT and what where they planning for "their" sector. He confessed almost total ignorance but said he would raise the subject at their February meeting. I suggest that if it makes sense cross at Niagara Falls or Buffalo that either Toronto or Ottawa will collect participants there. I am not enthusiastic at having to organize the Niagara to Toronto sector as it is full of great things to do and I am too far away. Don't count us out though.

Mike

-- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org

Bob wrote:

Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date conflict, and had to resign as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got started, but did provide some valuable input to us.

Phil did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try.

We now have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and George), and it looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. However, between them and Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, plus no-one in Toronto as of yet. We do seem to have some interest on the south side of Lake Erie (Ohio). The Tour has always been based on connecting areas with an interest in organizing the Tour, filling in as we gather momentum. We have an opportunity think about this portion of the route for a bit (only a short bit though). The Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area ... if we go back to the original concept of running the Tour north of Indiana we might even save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking for.

This would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one which is quite a bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. Perhaps we could get one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector from Detroit to Niagara Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and Phil) in Ottawa to pick up from Niagara Falls rather than Toronto (i.e. an extra day at the beginning of their sector).

This would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the lives of a few of you others.

Comments, questions, (flames!)?

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

--------------070604030609040500050404-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 18:50:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:50:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] It is decision Time! Message-ID: <401714A0.60206@jonat.org> Ladies and gentlemen we have talked this planning to death. It is time for the grown ups in this adventure to make some decisions for us all and let us get on with our local jobs: Pick a date soon when the route is firm Confirm who can participate Define how people sign up for each sector and how sector coordinators find out and how they advise others of possible participation by folk from their sector Confirm what the overall cost is to be and provide broad guidlines for sector costs Confirm what if any national/international arrangements have been made for sponsorship and advertising Confirm what information from each sector coordinator is necessary prior to each participant picking up their sector pack (route-hotel choices etc) That is all that comes to mind. While all the e-mail is interesting I no longer have time All the best -- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 19:11:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:11:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] It is decision Time! References: <401714A0.60206@jonat.org> Message-ID: <013b01c3e542$bded8cd0$77214518@GREG> Mike: I second your motion, most heartily. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike O'Brien" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: [JONAT] It is decision Time! : Ladies and gentlemen we have talked this planning to death. It is time : for the grown ups in this adventure to make some decisions for us all : and let us get on with our local jobs: : : Pick a date soon when the route is firm : Confirm who can participate : Define how people sign up for each sector and how sector coordinators : find out and how they advise others of possible participation by folk : from their sector : Confirm what the overall cost is to be and provide broad guidlines for : sector costs : Confirm what if any national/international arrangements have been made : for sponsorship and advertising : Confirm what information from each sector coordinator is necessary prior : to each participant picking up their sector pack (route-hotel choices etc) : That is all that comes to mind. : : While all the e-mail is interesting I no longer have time : : All the best : : -- : Mike O'Brien : Ottawa Sector Coordinator : Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) : http://www.jonat.org : : : : _______________________________________________ : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net : www.jonat.org : _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 20:08:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Barry La Pointe) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:08:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - References: <006f01c3e422$5c290900$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <000001c3e54b$e2950230$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> You have my vote on this as I am still a firm believer in "user pay". I do not expect to charge any sector fee for the Okanagan as the hand out will be either by download or free when we pick up the group in Vancouver. An entry fee for the tour is acceptable as at that time some form of memorabilia will have to handed out and that cost money. We in the Okanagan can also meet the deadlines as suggested by Mark. The start is not that far away so everyone who will participate in one or more sectors needs to get their itinerary set. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - > Mark: > again, I agree with you. Sector fees should be absolutely minimal to > encourage participation over several of them. Hotel, fuel, food costs mount > up alarmingly rapidly without having an additional burden of sector fees. > Gregory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Stephenson" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:03 AM > Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - > > > : I think we should set a freeze date in the very near future. That would > : be a date after which we make no changes to the route dates. Another > : freeze date could be a few weeks later where we make no more changes to > : the route itself. > : > : A couple weeks after that, the recommended hotels and events for each > : sector should be finalized with rates posted. > : > : I say Feb 1 for the dates; Feb 15 for the routes; and Feb 29 for hotels > : and events. I think we also need a sector cost figure for each leg which > : includes the must-do events. For example, we are going to join the Rt. > : 66 Fun Run, which I think is $40 or $45 dollars. There is also park > : admission to the Grand Canyon at $10 or $12. If we are going to have > : Sector fees, that's another $10, although I disagree with that. I think > : if we have the information on-line and people choose to download it and > : print it out from there, we don't have any expense involved with their > : participation. Who collects the money? Where does it go? Who's going to > : haul the stock around from place to place. > : > : Another question is what do we do with people like my friend from > : Albuquerque who plans to pick up the route in Colorado and drive to the > : end or until his XK120 breaks down at which point he'll have it and > : himself transported home. Does he pay every time he starts a segment? > : Remember, this trip is 10,000 miles total. There aren't going to be that > : many people doing the whole thing, but of the ones who do, there is > : going to be a lot a lot of attrition. Do we give refunds? What about the > : people who show up at the last minute? Do we have to handle the money? > : > : I'm in the k.i.s.s crowd. Perhaps charge the flat fee for entire route > : if we have overhead to cover, but forget the sector fees. We should have > : the plates and signs available on the Internet and those who want to > : join should buy them in advance. We should note that there will be a few > : at the start of each segment, but that the only way to guarantee you > : have one is to buy it ahead of time. > : > : Mark - AZ > : > : > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > : www.jonat.org > : _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 20:12:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:12:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Alpha Male References: <00c801c3e4ea$66ee9da0$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <009501c3e54c$5c020fa0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3E5A8.8F4005F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is he the 'Alpha' male of the club? Maybe we'd better show some respect! Fazal As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but = some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. = Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha = owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys = coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3E5A8.8F4005F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is he the 'Alpha' male of the club? = Maybe we'd=20 better show some respect!

Fazal

As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan) we=20 have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that can = go on=20 this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our = one=20 Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he = buys=20 coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him=20 anyway.

------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3E5A8.8F4005F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 20:16:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:16:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 References: <00c801c3e4ea$66ee9da0$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <009d01c3e54c$e1a92620$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C3E5A9.14EBD760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, club/Jag-related orgs members sans Jags can participate but at the = back of the pack. Outsiders just wanting to come for a drive in their = Chevy, no thank you. (Cant stop them driving along a public highway, = anyway). And, no advertising this issue or public discussion, we'll deal = with each one individually. How's that? Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Bailey=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but = some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. = Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha = owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys = coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, = make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM = if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar = car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over = discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is = helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on = the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20 That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club = members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to = accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's = sponsoring car club or organization. So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say = we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I = will now run for some office somewhere. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear = of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, = it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism = on the Tour. There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C3E5A9.14EBD760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, club/Jag-related orgs members = sans Jags=20 can participate but at the back of the pack. Outsiders just wanting to = come for=20 a drive in their Chevy, no thank you. (Cant stop them driving along a = public=20 highway, anyway). And, no advertising this issue or public discussion, = we'll=20 deal with each one individually.

How's that?

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian=20 Bailey
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, = 2004 2:29=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan) we=20 have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that can = go on=20 this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our = one=20 Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he = buys=20 coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him=20 anyway.

However, I have said previously that = as long as=20 we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, = etc. I=20 see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his = present=20 non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised = nor=20 over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club = member who is=20 helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on = the=20 Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.

That being said:....I would = limit non-Jag=20 cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in the=20 organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour = who is=20 not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or=20 organization.

So I seem to fit in with all the = other emails on=20 this topic as I say we can have non-Jag cars = and we=20 can not have non-Jag cars. I think I = will now=20 run for some office somewhere.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 7:28=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] Controversy = 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

For my part I am quite strongly opposed = to the=20 "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been = discussed over=20 he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. = Two, it=20 promotes clique-ism on the Tour.

There likely won't be all that many = non-Jags=20 anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I run = away and=20 hide again!).

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C3E5A9.14EBD760-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 20:18:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:18:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day References: Message-ID: <00a801c3e54d$2dffb0c0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C3E5A9.613C4780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg, I'm beginning to get a bit concerned about you. Your local weather = patterns, eco system, car petrol mileage - all are so different from = everyone else's. I mean, c'mon Dorothy, come back to Kansas! Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:47 AM Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day -----Original Message----- From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Australia Day Not to put too fine a point on it, but do you mean with beer and a = barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the eastern US is in the = grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, not bask, but = there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes ago. Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Thank you. It was celebrated in the usual aussie style showing class = & sophistication, as usual. Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Happy Australia Day! Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba (This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain = my Australian, loyalist, tongue!) :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then = July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should = also be marked, whereever the group is. = Gregory ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) = and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party = in your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in = mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car = park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to = finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the = Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra = day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And = one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I = talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his = corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on = the road too. Bob =20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish = the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the = plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 = days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and = Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or = something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's = sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C3E5A9.613C4780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greg, I'm beginning to get a bit = concerned about=20 you. Your local weather patterns, eco system, car petrol mileage - all = are so=20 different from everyone else's. I mean, c'mon Dorothy, come back to=20 Kansas!

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, = 2004 4:47=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia = Day

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Australia Day

Not to put too fine a point on it, = but do you=20 mean with beer and a barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the = eastern=20 US is in the grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, = not=20 bask, but there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes=20 ago.

 = = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 12:08=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Thank you. It was celebrated in the = usual=20 aussie style showing class & sophistication, as = usual.

Fazal

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 9:46=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Happy Australia Day!

 = =20 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Fazal = Cader=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Monday, January 26, = 2004 1:23=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

(This is an opening for a whole = new thread=20 - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, = tongue!)

:-)

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dr = Gregory=20 Andrachuk
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January = 27, 2004=20 2:42 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

Yes, if the American = Independence day=20 will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion = Day=20 reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group=20 is.

 = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January = 26, 2004=20 5:16 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = JONAT=20 Manitoba

We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day = (July 1)=20 and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big = birthday=20 party in your Sector ?

Bob=20 England

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal = Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: = jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the = area SC should=20 have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. = (Other than=20 gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & = Liszt'=20 !

Fazal

----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, = January 26,=20 2004 2:08 PM

Subject: RE: = [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted = to finish=20 on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we = stretched the=20 Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then = added an=20 extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't = very=20 clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July = 7th. =20 And one more thing to think about that Hudson = (Orlando)=20 brought up when I talked to him last September - he = suggested=20 travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be = a bit of=20 a hassle as everyone else is on the road = too.

Bob

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of = Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 = PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT=20 Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at = least, it=20 would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry = into=20 Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was=20 mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days = extra, maybe=20 we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and = Orlando?=20 What about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' = and exchange=20 silver rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on = the wave of=20 abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me,=20 though}

Fazal Cader
Executive = Committee,=20 ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April = 15, 2004 -=20 July 4, 2004

------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C3E5A9.613C4780-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 20:21:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:21:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 References: <9A19266AA4B55C4E90EA84EF42212410130D93@TCMAIL1.tcpl.ca> Message-ID: <00b501c3e54d$ac2934d0$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C3E5A9.DF5E0360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageIts a pity that most Jag groupies are greying, elderly men = somewhat outside the parameters of what society would accept as = pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack = at home for this one) :-) Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Clark=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in...... I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are = overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join = the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner = wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if = they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the = procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there = is no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to think of it = as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a = rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would understand and honour = this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and = give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!" Let the shunning begin! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but = some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. = Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha = owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys = coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, = make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM = if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar = car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over = discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is = helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on = the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20 That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only = Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no = reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the = Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization. So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say = we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I = will now run for some office somewhere. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the = rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. = One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes = clique-ism on the Tour. There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C3E5A9.DF5E0360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Its a pity that most Jag groupies are = greying,=20 elderly men somewhat outside the parameters of what society would accept = as=20 pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack = at home=20 for this one)

:-)

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve Clark
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, = 2004 6:43=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs = in......

I=20 agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are = overworking=20 this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the = procession=20 must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join = in the=20 spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving = a Jag, I=20 suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than = inserting=20 themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police = it in any=20 event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of = groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) = :-). I think most would understand and honour this type of=20 request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a = static=20 cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!"

Let=20 the shunning begin!

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf=20 Of Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30=20 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101

As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan)=20 we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that = can go=20 on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, = except our=20 one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with = because he=20 buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like = him=20 anyway.

However, I have said previously = that as long as=20 we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, = etc. I=20 see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his = present=20 non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be = advertised nor=20 over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club = member who=20 is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative = impact on=20 the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.

That being said:....I would = limit non-Jag=20 cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in = the=20 organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the = Tour who=20 is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or=20 organization.

So I seem to fit in with all the = other emails=20 on this topic as I say we can have non-Jag = cars=20 and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think = I=20 will now run for some office somewhere.

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 7:28=20 AM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

For my part I am quite strongly opposed = to the=20 "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been = discussed over=20 he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. = Two, it=20 promotes clique-ism on the Tour.

There likely won't be all that many = non-Jags=20 anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I run = away and=20 hide again!).

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C3E5A9.DF5E0360-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 20:35:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Steve Clark) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:35:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 Message-ID: <9A19266AA4B55C4E90EA84EF42212410130D9C@TCMAIL1.tcpl.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E54F.8833A712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You gotta move north...I've had women jump outta their cars at red lights to take a picture of the E -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:20 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 =09 =09 Its a pity that most Jag groupies are greying, elderly men somewhat outside the parameters of what society would accept as pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack at home for this one) :-) =20 Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Clark To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in...... =20 I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would understand and honour this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!" =20 Let the shunning begin! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 =09 =09 As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. =20 However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20 =20 That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization. =20 So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I will now run for some office somewhere. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob =20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the Tour. =20 There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. =20 Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). =20 Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E54F.8833A712 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
You=20 gotta move north...I've had women jump outta their cars at red lights to = take a=20 picture of the E

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On = Behalf Of=20 Fazal Cader
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:20=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT]=20 Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101

Its a pity that most Jag groupies are = greying,=20 elderly men somewhat outside the parameters of what society would = accept as=20 pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel = pack at=20 home for this one)

:-)

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve Clark
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, = 2004 6:43=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs = in......

I=20 agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are = overworking=20 this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the = procession=20 must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join = in the=20 spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not = driving a Jag,=20 I suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than = inserting=20 themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police = it in=20 any event. I'd like to think of it as more = a collection of=20 groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with = groupies)=20 :-). I think most would understand and honour this type of=20 request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them = a=20 static cling decal saying "I wish I was a = Jag!"

Let the shunning begin!

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On=20 Behalf Of Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 8:30=20 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [JONAT]=20 Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101

As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan)=20 we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag = that can=20 go on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, = except=20 our one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with = because=20 he buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we = like=20 him anyway.

However, I have said previously = that as long=20 as we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar = sponsorship,=20 etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector = with=20 his present non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need = to be=20 advertised nor over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover = and club=20 member who is helping us out may come along. AND there will = be no=20 negative impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the=20 opposite.

That being said:....I would=20 limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club members that = are=20 helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to accept any = non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's = sponsoring car=20 club or organization.

So I seem to fit in with all the = other emails=20 on this topic as I say we can have = non-Jag cars=20 and we can not have non-Jag cars. I = think I=20 will now run for some office somewhere.

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January = 27, 2004=20 7:28 AM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

For my part I am quite strongly = opposed to the=20 "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been = discussed=20 over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the = organizers.=20 Two, it promotes clique-ism on the Tour.

There likely won't be all that many = non-Jags=20 anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I = run away and=20 hide again!).

Bob = England
'69 E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E54F.8833A712-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 21:21:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:21:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day References: <00a801c3e54d$2dffb0c0$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <017001c3e553$ca387610$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_vPqD1Hj/has604N4cWDQHQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I can't go back to Kansas. I'm Canadian, eh? Can I help it if I live in a bit of heaven, an island in the Pacific? Mind you, it is an earthquake zone. Any time in the next 400 years we will have a big one. On JONAT. We have not come to a firm decision yet, but I am sort of leaning to no fee for this sector. That would simplify things tremendously. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day Greg, I'm beginning to get a bit concerned about you. Your local weather patterns, eco system, car petrol mileage - all are so different from everyone else's. I mean, c'mon Dorothy, come back to Kansas! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: JONAT MailList Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:47 AM Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day -----Original Message----- From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Australia Day Not to put too fine a point on it, but do you mean with beer and a barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the eastern US is in the grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, not bask, but there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes ago. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Thank you. It was celebrated in the usual aussie style showing class & sophistication, as usual. Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Happy Australia Day! Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Fazal Cader To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba (This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!) :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ? Bob England -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' ! Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Fazal It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear. Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp? Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-) [just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though} Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 --Boundary_(ID_vPqD1Hj/has604N4cWDQHQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I can't go back to Kansas. I'm Canadian, eh? Can I help it if I live in a bit of heaven, an island in the Pacific? Mind you, it is an earthquake zone. Any time in the next 400 years we will have a big one.

 On JONAT. We have not come to a firm decision yet, but I am sort of leaning to no fee for this sector. That would simplify things tremendously.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Fazal Cader

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:16 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day

Greg, I'm beginning to get a bit concerned about you. Your local weather patterns, eco system, car petrol mileage - all are so different from everyone else's. I mean, c'mon Dorothy, come back to Kansas!

Fazal

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: JONAT MailList

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:47 AM

Subject: [JONAT] FW: Australia Day

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-owner@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-owner@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 27, 2004 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Australia Day

Not to put too fine a point on it, but do you mean with beer and a barbie? While the rest of Canada and much of the eastern US is in the grips of an enormous snowstorm, we bask in spring....ok, not bask, but there are signs. Photos from my garden, taken 10 minutes ago.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Fazal Cader

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:08 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Thank you. It was celebrated in the usual aussie style showing class & sophistication, as usual.

Fazal

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Happy Australia Day!

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Fazal Cader

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:23 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

(This is an opening for a whole new thread - but I'll restrain my Australian, loyalist, tongue!)

:-)

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:42 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Yes, if the American Independence day will be marked, then July 1, Canada Day (calling it Dominion Day reveals your age) should also be marked, whereever the group is.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:16 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

We are in the Georgia Sector for both Dominion Day (July 1) and Independence Day (July 4) ... Greg, how about a big birthday party in your Sector ?

Bob England

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 26, 2004 4:48 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

OK, cool. But we and the area SC should have something in mind to mark 4th July wherever we are. (Other than gathering in a car park and just getting 'Mozart & Liszt' !

Fazal

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:08 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Fazal

It would be the other day around ... if we wanted to finish on the same date, there would be 2 less days if we stretched the Okanagan-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg sector by a day, then added an extra day in Winnipeg. Sorry my last note wasn't very clear.

Also, the Tour as it sits actually ends on July 7th. And one more thing to think about that Hudson (Orlando) brought up when I talked to him last September - he suggested travelling on the 4th in his corner of the globe might be a bit of a hassle as everyone else is on the road too.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: January 25, 2004 4:11 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] JONAT Manitoba

Bob, for PR purposes at least, it would be good to finish the tour with a 4th July entry into Orlando (not sure if that's in the plan or not but it was mentioned). So, if we might have (as you say) 2 days extra, maybe we can include a bit of R&R between Minnesota and Orlando? What about a break at Fried's camp?

Maybe we can all 'bond' and exchange silver rings or something? :-)

[just read an article on the wave of abstinence that's sweeping the USA. Bit late for me, though}

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

--Boundary_(ID_vPqD1Hj/has604N4cWDQHQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 21:52:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Robert and Darlene Stevenson) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:52:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - In-Reply-To: <000001c3e54b$e2950230$5b6451cf@SEANIX4MZ1CM44> Message-ID: Barry La Pointe1/26/04 10:50 PMbpointe@telus.net It's pretty hard to make any solid plans when I don't know if anyone is coming through Michigan and from where. I had figured on bringing a group of our club members down to the hand off point to make sure there were at least a few cars, but I can tell you now that our guys are not going to pay an entry to drive through their own state. If the hand off point is near Chicago as was recently suggested I'm afraid that I'll be making the trip by myself. Bob Stevenson Jag of Mi. > You have my vote on this as I am still a firm believer in "user pay". I do > not expect to charge any sector fee for the Okanagan as the hand out will be > either by download or free when we pick up the group in Vancouver. An entry > fee for the tour is acceptable as at that time some form of memorabilia will > have to handed out and that cost money. > We in the Okanagan can also meet the deadlines as suggested by Mark. The > start is not that far away so everyone who will participate in one or more > sectors needs to get their itinerary set. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - > > >> Mark: >> again, I agree with you. Sector fees should be absolutely minimal to >> encourage participation over several of them. Hotel, fuel, food costs > mount >> up alarmingly rapidly without having an additional burden of sector fees. >> Gregory >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Stephenson" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:03 AM >> Subject: RE: [JONAT] FW: Summary Request - >> >> >> : I think we should set a freeze date in the very near future. That would >> : be a date after which we make no changes to the route dates. Another >> : freeze date could be a few weeks later where we make no more changes to >> : the route itself. >> : >> : A couple weeks after that, the recommended hotels and events for each >> : sector should be finalized with rates posted. >> : >> : I say Feb 1 for the dates; Feb 15 for the routes; and Feb 29 for hotels >> : and events. I think we also need a sector cost figure for each leg which >> : includes the must-do events. For example, we are going to join the Rt. >> : 66 Fun Run, which I think is $40 or $45 dollars. There is also park >> : admission to the Grand Canyon at $10 or $12. If we are going to have >> : Sector fees, that's another $10, although I disagree with that. I think >> : if we have the information on-line and people choose to download it and >> : print it out from there, we don't have any expense involved with their >> : participation. Who collects the money? Where does it go? Who's going to >> : haul the stock around from place to place. >> : >> : Another question is what do we do with people like my friend from >> : Albuquerque who plans to pick up the route in Colorado and drive to the >> : end or until his XK120 breaks down at which point he'll have it and >> : himself transported home. Does he pay every time he starts a segment? >> : Remember, this trip is 10,000 miles total. There aren't going to be that >> : many people doing the whole thing, but of the ones who do, there is >> : going to be a lot a lot of attrition. Do we give refunds? What about the >> : people who show up at the last minute? Do we have to handle the money? >> : >> : I'm in the k.i.s.s crowd. Perhaps charge the flat fee for entire route >> : if we have overhead to cover, but forget the sector fees. We should have >> : the plates and signs available on the Internet and those who want to >> : join should buy them in advance. We should note that there will be a few >> : at the start of each segment, but that the only way to guarantee you >> : have one is to buy it ahead of time. >> : >> : Mark - AZ >> : >> : >> : >> : >> : _______________________________________________ >> : JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >> : REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >> : www.jonat.org >> : _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list >> REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net >> www.jonat.org >> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 22:09:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (F. Ronald Rader) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:09:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 In-Reply-To: References: <00f701c3e4ad$84587290$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040127210656.03bceeb8@webmail.interworld.net> --=====================_89738076==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed it is the Jaguar owners tour. no new info or new dialogue. just the same rehash for the fourth time. enough already. Ron At 05:28 AM 1/27/2004, Bob wrote: >For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of >the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's >a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the Tour. > >There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. > >Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). > > >Bob England >'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >Route Coordinator >http://www.jonat.org > --=====================_89738076==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" it is the Jaguar owners tour.

no new info or new dialogue.
just the same rehash for the fourth time.
enough already.
Ron

At 05:28 AM 1/27/2004, Bob wrote:

For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the Tour.

There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!).

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

--=====================_89738076==.ALT-- From jonat@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 23:27:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Tue Jan 27 23:27:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] It is decision Time! Message-ID: Might I respectfully resubmit the dates I suggested a few days ago... "I say Feb 1 for the dates; Feb 15 for the routes; and Feb 29 for hotels and events. I think we also need a sector cost figure [by Feb. 29] for each leg which includes the must-do events. [We probably ought to include the cost of our recommended hotels each night, too.] For example, we are going to join the Rt. 66 Fun Run, which I think is $40 or $45 dollars. There is also park admission to the Grand Canyon at $10 or $12 [per car]." I say that if you haven't figured out where and when the hand-off points are by now, you'd better get with the SCs on either side of you and figure it out quick. Some events, like the Route 66 Fun Run are huge and it's tough to find a room if you don't make reservations early. Bob S., club members don't have to drive the whole sector. You can set up intermediate rendezvous points. We have them on the Arizona Sector. The hand off is at Mesa Verde in southern Colorado, but to get there on the appointed day, our members would have to leave Wednesday and drive about 350 miles. There might be a handful who do that, but people can leave early Friday morning and meet us at the Grand Canyon where we'll be in the afternoon and for dinner, or leave late Friday and meet us Williams, AZ, where we'll be bedding down for the night. I'm hoping we'll have caravans for each option. Mark - AZ From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 00:01:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed Jan 28 00:01:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 References: <9A19266AA4B55C4E90EA84EF42212410130D9C@TCMAIL1.tcpl.ca> Message-ID: <014a01c3e56c$66fed030$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C3E5C8.9A2D8440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageProbably, but after seeing that looong bonnet, how do they react = to you? :-) F ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Clark=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 You gotta move north...I've had women jump outta their cars at red = lights to take a picture of the E -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:20 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 Its a pity that most Jag groupies are greying, elderly men somewhat = outside the parameters of what society would accept as = pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack = at home for this one) :-) Fazal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Clark=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in...... I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are = overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join = the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner = wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if = they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the = procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there = is no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to think of it = as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a = rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would understand and honour = this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and = give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!" Let the shunning begin! -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Bailey Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club = but some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. = Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha = owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys = coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. However, I have said previously that as long as we promote = Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO = PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present = non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised = nor over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member = who is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative = impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20 That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to = only Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no = reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the = Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization. So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I = say we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I = will now run for some office somewhere. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101 For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at = the rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last = bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes = clique-ism on the Tour. There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway. Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C3E5C8.9A2D8440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Probably, but after seeing that looong = bonnet, how=20 do they react to you?

:-)

F

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve Clark
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, = 2004 2:33=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

You=20 gotta move north...I've had women jump outta their cars at red lights = to take=20 a picture of the E

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net= =20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:20 = PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subje= ct:=20 Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy = 101

Its a pity that most Jag groupies = are greying,=20 elderly men somewhat outside the parameters of what society would = accept as=20 pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel = pack at=20 home for this one)

:-)

Fazal

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Steve Clark =
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Wednesday, January = 28, 2004=20 6:43 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs=20 in......

I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we = are=20 overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to = join=20 the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag = owner=20 wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the = merrier....if they=20 are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the=20 procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but = there is=20 no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to = think of it=20 as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always = wanted to=20 be a rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would = understand and=20 honour this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step = further=20 and give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a=20 Jag!"

Let the shunning begin!

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] = On=20 Behalf Of Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, = 2004 8:30=20 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [JONAT]=20 Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101

As Bob has stated in my Sector=20 (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but some members presently do = not have=20 a Jag that can go on this trip. Though I think they are all = trying to=20 get a Jag, except our one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive = I mean=20 put up with because he buys coffee sometimes) mostly = because he is=20 Italian and we like him anyway.

However, I have said previously = that as=20 long as we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar=20 sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us = on this=20 sector with his present non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This = does not=20 need to be advertised nor over discussed. It simply means a = fellow=20 car-lover and club member who is helping us out may come = along. AND=20 there will be no negative impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the = opposite.

That being said:....I would=20 limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club members = that are=20 helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to accept = any=20 non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's = sponsoring=20 car club or organization.

So I seem to fit in with all = the other=20 emails on this topic as I say we can = have=20 non-Jag cars and we can not have = non-Jag cars.=20 I think I will now run for some office = somewhere.

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Tuesday, January = 27, 2004=20 7:28 AM

Subject: [JONAT] = Controversy 102=20 ---> was Controversy 101

For my part I am quite strongly = opposed to=20 the "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has = been=20 discussed over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA = for the=20 organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the=20 Tour.

There likely won't be all that many = non-Jags=20 anyway.

Anyone else feel the same (or do I = run away=20 and hide again!).

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type=20 & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour = (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C3E5C8.9A2D8440-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 04:53:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Wed Jan 28 04:53:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] numbers References: <00da01c3e50b$72468110$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: <01cd01c3e595$2a8fc9a0$d6148890@FAZAL> Greg, I think this email 'jam-up' is causing a few probs as I am having difficulty getting through to Jamie. However, All these questions will be addressed very shortly and then posted for all. Regards Fazal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Gregory Andrachuk" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: [JONAT] numbers > OK gents...our discussions in this sector are now centering around numbers. > How, and when will we know how many people will be in any given sector? Will > we have a cut-off time after which no more can join? If, for example, we get > a Jaguar dealership to sponsor a reception based on a projected turn-out of > 30 cars, and 200 show up (one of my club members last night warned me that a > recent MG tour in this area drew 250 cars, which shocked organisers), what > should we do? How will the JONAT fee and sector fees be collected? > Gregory > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ > From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 06:57:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Wed Jan 28 06:57:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] INDIANA In-Reply-To: <401711C2.9090105@jonat.org> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3E574.36732A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Mike ... interesting ... there were a couple of people in the Jaguar club that were interested in maybe helping, but not being SC. One of the fellows mentioned he would bring it up at one of the recent meetings ... I'm glad you followed up ! Anything I can do from this end in terms of contacting him? Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: January 27, 2004 7:35 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] INDIANA I have spoken to the President of the Toronto Club tonight and asked if he knew about JONAT and what where they planning for "their" sector. He confessed almost total ignorance but said he would raise the subject at their February meeting. I suggest that if it makes sense cross at Niagara Falls or Buffalo that either Toronto or Ottawa will collect participants there. I am not enthusiastic at having to organize the Niagara to Toronto sector as it is full of great things to do and I am too far away. Don't count us out though. Mike -- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org Bob wrote: Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date conflict, and had to resign as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got started, but did provide some valuable input to us. Phil did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try. We now have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and George), and it looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. However, between them and Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, plus no-one in Toronto as of yet. We do seem to have some interest on the south side of Lake Erie (Ohio). The Tour has always been based on connecting areas with an interest in organizing the Tour, filling in as we gather momentum. We have an opportunity think about this portion of the route for a bit (only a short bit though). The Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area ... if we go back to the original concept of running the Tour north of Indiana we might even save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking for. This would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one which is quite a bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. Perhaps we could get one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector from Detroit to Niagara Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and Phil) in Ottawa to pick up from Niagara Falls rather than Toronto (i.e. an extra day at the beginning of their sector). This would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the lives of a few of you others. Comments, questions, (flames!)? Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3E574.36732A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks=20 Mike ... interesting ... there were a couple of people in the Jaguar = club that=20 were interested in maybe helping, but not being SC. One of the = fellows=20 mentioned he would bring it up at one of the recent meetings ... I'm = glad you=20 followed up ! Anything I can do from this end in terms of = contacting=20 him? Bob

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike=20 O'Brien
Sent: January 27, 2004 7:35 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT]=20 INDIANA

I have spoken to the President of the = Toronto=20 Club tonight and asked if he knew about JONAT and what where they = planning for=20 "their" sector. He confessed almost total ignorance but said he would = raise the=20 subject at their February meeting. I suggest that if it makes sense = cross at=20 Niagara Falls or Buffalo that either Toronto or Ottawa will collect = participants=20 there. I am not enthusiastic at having to organize the Niagara to = Toronto sector=20 as it is full of great things to do and I am too far away. Don't count = us out=20 though.

Mike
--=20 Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org

Bob=20 wrote:

Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date = conflict,=20 and had to resign as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got = started, but=20 did provide some valuable input to us.

Phil=20 did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try.

We=20 now have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and = George),=20 and it looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. However, = between=20 them and Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, plus no-one in = Toronto as=20 of yet. We do seem to have some interest on the south side = of Lake=20 Erie (Ohio). The Tour has always been based on connecting areas = with an=20 interest in organizing the Tour, filling in as we gather = momentum. We=20 have an opportunity think about this portion of the route for a bit = (only a=20 short bit though). The Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area = ... if=20 we go back to the original concept of running the Tour north = of Indiana=20 we might even save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking=20 for.

This=20 would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one which = is quite=20 a bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. Perhaps we = could=20 get one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector from Detroit to = Niagara=20 Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and Phil) in Ottawa to = pick up=20 from Niagara Falls rather than Toronto (i.e. an extra day at the = beginning of=20 their sector).

This=20 would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the lives of = a few=20 of you others.

Comments, questions, = (flames!)?

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3E574.36732A30-- From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 09:56:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Wed Jan 28 09:56:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] It is decision Time! References: <401714A0.60206@jonat.org> Message-ID: <001901c3e5bf$79a86860$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> Thanks Mike...Sask Sector agrees. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike O'Brien" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: [JONAT] It is decision Time! > Ladies and gentlemen we have talked this planning to death. It is time > for the grown ups in this adventure to make some decisions for us all > and let us get on with our local jobs: > > Pick a date soon when the route is firm > Confirm who can participate > Define how people sign up for each sector and how sector coordinators > find out and how they advise others of possible participation by folk > from their sector > Confirm what the overall cost is to be and provide broad guidlines for > sector costs > Confirm what if any national/international arrangements have been made > for sponsorship and advertising > Confirm what information from each sector coordinator is necessary prior > to each participant picking up their sector pack (route-hotel choices etc) > That is all that comes to mind. > > While all the e-mail is interesting I no longer have time > > All the best > > -- > Mike O'Brien > Ottawa Sector Coordinator > Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) > http://www.jonat.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list > REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net > www.jonat.org > _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 09:58:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Ian Bailey) Date: Wed Jan 28 09:58:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Alpha Male References: <00c801c3e4ea$66ee9da0$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> <009501c3e54c$5c020fa0$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <002c01c3e5bf$aab356e0$857ba8c0@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3E58D.5FC4FA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We would show respect except he wears shorts all the time and has knobby = knees. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fazal Cader=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: [JONAT] Alpha Male Is he the 'Alpha' male of the club? Maybe we'd better show some = respect! Fazal As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but = some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. = Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha = owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys = coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3E58D.5FC4FA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We would show respect except he wears = shorts all=20 the time and has knobby knees.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fazal = Cader
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 = 9:11=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Alpha = Male

Is he the 'Alpha' male of the club? = Maybe we'd=20 better show some respect!

Fazal

As Bob has stated in my Sector = (Saskatchewan)=20 we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that = can go=20 on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, = except our=20 one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with = because he=20 buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like = him=20 anyway.

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C3E58D.5FC4FA80-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 07:47:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Thu Jan 29 07:47:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] INDIANA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40191BBF.1030000@jonat.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030502060900030300000202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think so-the pres doesn't have e-mail. I will check again in early feb. By the way my note about decision time was not aimed at you. I just can't keep up with all the e-mail . For what it is worth I am going to put the final touches to the Ottawa sector by mid Feb and then re-do the Ottawa website. When I am done i will let you know and you can tell me what I have to do to get it linked to JONAT. Mike Bob wrote: > Thanks Mike ... interesting ... there were a couple of people in the > Jaguar club that were interested in maybe helping, but not being SC. > One of the fellows mentioned he would bring it up at one of the recent > meetings ... I'm glad you followed up ! Anything I can do from this > end in terms of contacting him? Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Mike O'Brien > Sent: January 27, 2004 7:35 PM > To: jonat@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [JONAT] INDIANA > > I have spoken to the President of the Toronto Club tonight and asked > if he knew about JONAT and what where they planning for "their" > sector. He confessed almost total ignorance but said he would raise > the subject at their February meeting. I suggest that if it makes > sense cross at Niagara Falls or Buffalo that either Toronto or Ottawa > will collect participants there. I am not enthusiastic at having to > organize the Niagara to Toronto sector as it is full of great things > to do and I am too far away. Don't count us out though. > > Mike > >-- >Mike O'Brien >Ottawa Sector Coordinator >Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) >http://www.jonat.org > > > Bob wrote: > >> Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date conflict, and had to resign >> as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got started, but did provide some >> valuable input to us. >> >> Phil did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try. >> >> We now have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and >> George), and it looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. >> However, between them and Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, >> plus no-one in Toronto as of yet. We do seem to have some interest >> on the south side of Lake Erie (Ohio). The Tour has always been >> based on connecting areas with an interest in organizing the Tour, >> filling in as we gather momentum. We have an opportunity think about >> this portion of the route for a bit (only a short bit though). The >> Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area ... if we go back to the >> original concept of running the Tour north of Indiana we might even >> save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking for. >> >> This would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one >> which is quite a bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. >> Perhaps we could get one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector >> from Detroit to Niagara Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and >> Phil) in Ottawa to pick up from Niagara Falls rather than Toronto >> (i.e. an extra day at the beginning of their sector). >> >> This would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the >> lives of a few of you others. >> >> Comments, questions, (flames!)? >> >> >> Bob England >> '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >> Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >> Route Coordinator >> http://www.jonat.org >> >> > > -- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org --------------030502060900030300000202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think so-the pres doesn't have e-mail. I will check again in early feb. By the way my note about decision time was not aimed at you. I just can't keep up with all the e-mail . For what it is worth I am going to put the final touches to the Ottawa sector by mid Feb and then re-do the Ottawa website. When I am done i will let you know and you can tell me what I have to do to get it linked to JONAT.

Mike

Bob wrote:

Thanks Mike ... interesting ... there were a couple of people in the Jaguar club that were interested in maybe helping, but not being SC. One of the fellows mentioned he would bring it up at one of the recent meetings ... I'm glad you followed up ! Anything I can do from this end in terms of contacting him? Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
Sent: January 27, 2004 7:35 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] INDIANA

I have spoken to the President of the Toronto Club tonight and asked if he knew about JONAT and what where they planning for "their" sector. He confessed almost total ignorance but said he would raise the subject at their February meeting. I suggest that if it makes sense cross at Niagara Falls or Buffalo that either Toronto or Ottawa will collect participants there. I am not enthusiastic at having to organize the Niagara to Toronto sector as it is full of great things to do and I am too far away. Don't count us out though.

Mike

-- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org

Bob wrote:

Unfortunately, Phil in Indiana had a date conflict, and had to resign as SC of Indiana. Phil just barely got started, but did provide some valuable input to us.

Phil did not had an ASC signed up, although he did try.

We now have a big gap though. We have Minnesota filled (Dick and George), and it looks like Wisconsin will come through for us. However, between them and Bob in Detroit, we have a big blank area, plus no-one in Toronto as of yet. We do seem to have some interest on the south side of Lake Erie (Ohio). The Tour has always been based on connecting areas with an interest in organizing the Tour, filling in as we gather momentum. We have an opportunity think about this portion of the route for a bit (only a short bit though). The Wisconsin Sector ends in the Chicago area ... if we go back to the original concept of running the Tour north of Indiana we might even save the two extra days Alan in Winnipeg was looking for.

This would mean Bob's Sector might go from being very short, to one which is quite a bit longer, starting in Chicago, running to Detroit. Perhaps we could get one of the Ohio guys to Coordinate a new sector from Detroit to Niagara Falls. Then maybe I could coerce Mike (and Phil) in Ottawa to pick up from Niagara Falls rather than Toronto (i.e. an extra day at the beginning of their sector).

This would make my life easier, but would certainly complicate the lives of a few of you others.

Comments, questions, (flames!)?

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-- Mike O'Brien Ottawa Sector Coordinator Jaguar Owner's North America Tour (Jonat) http://www.jonat.org
--------------030502060900030300000202-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 22:07:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:07:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Sector costs References: Message-ID: <036701c3e6ee$c0486240$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0364_01C3E6AB.B1BA2B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Sector costsThis approach and fee is fine with me, I like = the "user pay",=20 grassroots approach. =20 The real goodies on our segment will be=20 the roads and the cities, we won't have to provide much=20 entertainment and people will be ready to drop after a day=20 driving these roads. =20 We are still looking into events we could add to the run, stay tuned. But we are not feeling a real urgent need. Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jagboard Administrator=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector costs I think $10/sector is fine. Trey On 1/26/04 4:42 AM, "Fazal Cader" wrote: Yes, Bob, that's about what I approximated. The amounts are OK with = me but we'll need a bit of input from the SCs as to whether the US$10 = would be correct. Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org = =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0364_01C3E6AB.B1BA2B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Sector costs
This approach and fee is fine with me, I like the = "user pay",=20

grassroots approach.

The real goodies on our segment will be =

the roads and the cities, we won't have to provide = much=20

entertainment and people will be ready to drop after = a day=20

driving these roads.

We are still looking into events we could = add

to the run, stay tuned. But we are not feeling = a real=20 urgent need.

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jagboard=20 Administrator
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 = 6:53=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] Sector = costs

I = think=20 $10/sector is fine.

Trey

On 1/26/04 4:42 AM, "Fazal = Cader"=20 <fazalc@usa.net>=20 wrote:

Yes, = Bob, that's=20 about what I approximated. The amounts are OK with me but we'll need = a bit=20 of input from the SCs as to whether the US$10 would be=20 correct.

Fazal=20 Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - www.jonat.org <http://www.jonat.org> =
April 15,=20 2004 - July 4, 2004

<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0364_01C3E6AB.B1BA2B70-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 22:11:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:11:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion References: <008e01c3e422$fb2e91a0$77214518@GREG> <004701c3e452$aee21850$d6148890@FAZAL> <012001c3e45e$4bece160$77214518@GREG> <00b501c3e4ac$c1f395e0$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: <037f01c3e6ef$39c6d4d0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_037C_01C3E6AC.2B7BE890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be supplied as part of the tour. A british style driving cap with the tour logo A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a=20 pin collection showing where they went, and a nice hat to display them on.=20 Or not...? Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_037C_01C3E6AC.2B7BE890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to = be

supplied as part of the tour.

A british style driving cap with the tour = logo

A pin for each of the sectors, which the=20 participant

gets at the sector welcome. Participants then = get a=20

pin collection showing where they went, and a=20 nice

hat to display them on.

Or not...?

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
------=_NextPart_000_037C_01C3E6AC.2B7BE890-- From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 22:20:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Alan Heartfield) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:20:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion In-Reply-To: <037f01c3e6ef$39c6d4d0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <401994DD.9869.1837DFF@localhost> Great idea. Alan Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator On 29 Jan 2004 at 21:09, Jerry Mouton wrote: > > My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be > supplied as part of the tour. > > A british style driving cap with the tour logo > > A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant > gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a > pin collection showing where they went, and a nice > hat to display them on. > > Or not...? > > Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 -- Alan Heartfield '68 E-Type & '85 XJs TWR & '90 XJ40 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Winnipeg Sector Coordinator http://www.jonat.org From jonat@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 22:35:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:35:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion In-Reply-To: <401994DD.9869.1837DFF@localhost> Message-ID: I agree with Alan ... great idea ... -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Alan Heartfield Sent: January 29, 2004 11:19 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion Great idea. Alan Winnipeg Sector Co-ordinator On 29 Jan 2004 at 21:09, Jerry Mouton wrote: > > My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be > supplied as part of the tour. > > A british style driving cap with the tour logo > > A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant > gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a > pin collection showing where they went, and a nice > hat to display them on. > > Or not...? > > Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 08:37:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jagboard Administrator) Date: Fri Jan 30 08:37:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion In-Reply-To: <037f01c3e6ef$39c6d4d0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3158299933_46688800 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Genious! My absolute favorite idea yet! We SC=B9s no doubt get a special one, right? T On 1/29/04 11:09 PM, "Jerry Mouton" wrote: > My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be > supplied as part of the tour. > =20 > A british style driving cap with the tour logo > =20 > A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant > gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a > pin collection showing where they went, and a nice > hat to display them on. > =20 > Or not...? > =20 > Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 >=20 --B_3158299933_46688800 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion Genious! My absol= ute favorite idea yet!

We SC’s no doubt get a special one, right?

T

On 1/29/04 11:09 PM, "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org> wro= te:

My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be
supplied as part of the tour.

A british style driving cap with the tour logo

A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant
gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a
pin collection showing where they went, and a nice
hat to display them on.

Or not...?

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laiss= ez les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org
 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

--B_3158299933_46688800-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 09:48:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Fri Jan 30 09:48:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion References: Message-ID: <011801c3e750$a5976bf0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C3E70D.974AF910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestionWe SCs get to figure out how to get = them made and distributed and paid for! Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jagboard Administrator=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion Genious! My absolute favorite idea yet! We SC's no doubt get a special one, right? T On 1/29/04 11:09 PM, "Jerry Mouton" wrote: My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be supplied as part of the tour. =20 A british style driving cap with the tour logo =20 A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a=20 pin collection showing where they went, and a nice hat to display them on.=20 =20 Or not...? =20 Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C3E70D.974AF910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion
We SCs get to figure out how to get them made and = distributed=20 and paid for!

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jagboard=20 Administrator
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 = 7:32=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Memorabilia=20 suggestion

Genious!=20 My absolute favorite idea yet!

We SC=92s no doubt get a = special=20 one, right?

T

On 1/29/04 11:09 PM, "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>=20 wrote:

My = wife came=20 with a great idea for a tour memento to be
supplied as part of = the=20 tour.

A british style driving cap with the tour=20 logo

A pin for each of the sectors, which the=20 participant
gets at the sector welcome. Participants then = get a=20
pin collection showing where they went, and a nice
hat to = display=20 them on.

Or not...?

Jerry Mouton=20 '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons = temps=20 rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's North = American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; April=20 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C3E70D.974AF910-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 10:37:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Fri Jan 30 10:37:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion References: <011801c3e750$a5976bf0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <015201c3e757$6c0da370$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C3E714.5DB68230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestionHere's a site offering such a cap for = well under $10.00. Woolrich brand, which is good. http://www.thebestmans.com/p331-2998-70s-herringbone-tweed-newsboy-wool-h= at-cap.html I didn't get into what's going on here -- the "bids" column does not make sense. But it's an indication, maybe. OK, they are eBay offerings... I enquired of one seller whether she would be able to supply hats in volume, and at what price. We'll see. Our SCCA region had pins made up for our events a few years ago, plastic rather than metal, but I will check out how much/where/how many/how long, etc. I would expect that metal pins are also available reasonably with a large=20 order. Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion We SCs get to figure out how to get them made and distributed and paid = for! Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jagboard Administrator=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion Genious! My absolute favorite idea yet! We SC's no doubt get a special one, right? T On 1/29/04 11:09 PM, "Jerry Mouton" wrote: My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be supplied as part of the tour. =20 A british style driving cap with the tour logo =20 A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a=20 pin collection showing where they went, and a nice hat to display them on.=20 =20 Or not...? =20 Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C3E714.5DB68230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion
Here's a site offering such a cap for well under=20 $10.00.

Woolrich brand, which is good.

http://www.thebestmans.com/p331-2998-70s-herringbone= -tweed-newsboy-wool-hat-cap.html

I didn't get into what's going on here -- the "bids" = column

does not make sense. But it's an indication,=20 maybe.

OK, they are eBay offerings...

I enquired of one seller whether she would be able = to=20 supply

hats in volume, and at what price. We'll=20 see.

Our SCCA region had pins made up for our events a=20 few

years ago, plastic rather than metal, but I will = check=20 out

how much/where/how many/how long, etc. I would = expect

that metal pins are also available reasonably with a = large=20

order.

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 = 8:46=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Memorabilia=20 suggestion

We SCs get to figure out how to get them made and=20 distributed and paid for!

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar = Owner's North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jagboard=20 Administrator
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Friday, January 30, = 2004 7:32=20 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] = Memorabilia=20 suggestion

Genious!=20 My absolute favorite idea yet!

We SC=92s no doubt get a = special=20 one, right?

T

On 1/29/04 11:09 PM, "Jerry Mouton" = <jerry@moutons.org>=20 wrote:

My = wife came=20 with a great idea for a tour memento to be
supplied as part of = the=20 tour.

A british style driving cap with the tour=20 logo

A pin for each of the sectors, which the=20 participant
gets at the sector welcome. Participants then = get a=20
pin collection showing where they went, and a nice
hat to = display=20 them on.

Or not...?

Jerry Mouton=20 '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les = bons temps=20 rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; April=20 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C3E714.5DB68230-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 16:36:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Fazal Cader) Date: Fri Jan 30 16:36:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion References: <008e01c3e422$fb2e91a0$77214518@GREG> <004701c3e452$aee21850$d6148890@FAZAL> <012001c3e45e$4bece160$77214518@GREG> <00b501c3e4ac$c1f395e0$d6148890@FAZAL> <037f01c3e6ef$39c6d4d0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <007501c3e789$952a2990$d6148890@FAZAL> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C3E7E5.C8778930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a bad idea. Most clubs have individuals who do that but I've never = seen the practice 'formalized'. So, cap & badge in the JONAT kit or one = or the other? Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mouton=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be supplied as part of the tour. A british style driving cap with the tour logo A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a=20 pin collection showing where they went, and a nice hat to display them on.=20 Or not...? Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C3E7E5.C8778930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not a bad idea. Most clubs have = individuals who do=20 that but I've never seen the practice 'formalized'. So, cap=20 & badge in the JONAT kit or one or the other?

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 = 4:09=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia=20 suggestion

My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento = to=20 be

supplied as part of the tour.

A british style driving cap with the tour = logo

A pin for each of the sectors, which the=20 participant

gets at the sector welcome. Participants = then get a=20

pin collection showing where they went, and a=20 nice

hat to display them on.

Or not...?

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar = Owner's North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C3E7E5.C8778930-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 17:30:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Jan 30 17:30:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates In-Reply-To: <00c301c3e6c5$cb00a9f0$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3E75E.E86A5290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, yes, you've got it in one. Are the dates firm? I have not heard from all the SC's yet (hardly any in fact - you guys alive out there?). I would say tentative but likely at this point. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: Richard Jones [mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com] Sent: January 29, 2004 6:13 PM To: Bob Subject: Revised Dates Bob, Reviewing the recent posts on schedule changes, It sounds like the current proposal is to add an extra day before reaching the Winnipeg Sector plus adding another layover day in Winnipeg. The impact for the MN Sector would be the following: 1) An opportunity for our group to meet the JONAT group at the Winnipeg River City Rendezvous event on their arrival on June 3 or on June 4 during the layover. 2) Everything on the MN Sector itinerary would occur 2 days later than the current schedule. Have I read this correctly? Should I consider these date revisions to be firm? Summary: =============================== **+1day added before Winnipeg Sector WINNIPEG SECTOR: June 3 - Verden MB to Winnipeg MB **June 4 - Layover in Winnipeg; River City Rendezvous; Meet up with MNJag. June 5 - Winnipeg MB to Fort Francis ON -------------------- MINNESOTA SECTOR: June 6 - Fort Francis ON to Duluth MN June 7 - Duluth MN to Minneapolis MN June 8 - Minneapolis MN to Madison WI -------------------- WISCONSIN SECTOR: June 9 - Madison WI to Milwaukee WI June 10 - Milwaukee WI to Chicago IL June 11 - Chicago layover **new additions/revisions ================================= Thanks, Dick. rjones@mn.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3E75E.E86A5290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Richard, yes, = you've got it in=20 one. Are the dates firm? I have not heard from all the SC's = yet=20 (hardly any in fact - you guys alive out there?). I would say = tentative=20 but likely at this point.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's = North American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Jones=20 [mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com]
Sent: January 29, 2004 6:13 = PM
To:=20 Bob
Subject: Revised Dates

Bob,

Reviewing the recent posts on schedule changes, = It sounds

like the current proposal is to add = an extra=20 day before

reaching the Winnipeg Sector plus adding = another layover day

in Winnipeg. The impact for the MN = Sector would be=20 the following:

1) An opportunity for our = group to meet the JONAT group at the

Winnipeg River City = Rendezvous event on their arrival on

June 3 or on June 4 during the=20 layover.

2) Everything on the = MN Sector itinerary would occur 2 days later =

than the current schedule.

Have I read this correctly?

Should I consider these date revisions to be=20 firm?

Summary:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

**+1day added before = Winnipeg=20 Sector

WINNIPEG SECTOR:

June 3 - Verden MB to Winnipeg MB

**June 4 - = Layover in=20 Winnipeg; River City Rendezvous; Meet up with MNJag.

June 5 - Winnipeg MB to Fort Francis ON

--------------------

MINNESOTA SECTOR:

June 6 - Fort Francis ON to Duluth=20 MN

June 7 - Duluth MN to Minneapolis=20 MN

June 8 - Minneapolis MN to Madison=20 WI

--------------------

WISCONSIN SECTOR:

June 9 - Madison WI to Milwaukee WI

June 10 - Milwaukee WI to Chicago IL

June 11 - Chicago layover

**new=20 additions/revisions

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Thanks,

Dick.

rjones@mn.rr.com

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3E75E.E86A5290-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 18:16:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Jan 30 18:16:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] New England Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3E765.47D6F9D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Roberge from Boston and the Jaguar Association of New England (JANE) has volunteered to undertake the Sector Coordinator's role for the New England Sector (Stowe VT to Boston). Welcome Mike ! I'm sure Mike will have a lot of questions to get up to speed. If there are any insights that you other SC's have that might help Mike, please pipe in! Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3E765.47D6F9D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike = Roberge from=20 Boston and the Jaguar Association of New England (JANE) has volunteered = to=20 undertake the Sector Coordinator's role for the New England Sector = (Stowe VT to=20 Boston). Welcome Mike !

I'm = sure Mike will=20 have a lot of questions to get up to speed. If there are any = insights that=20 you other SC's have that might help Mike, please pipe = in!

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3E765.47D6F9D0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 18:18:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Jan 30 18:18:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time In-Reply-To: <40191BBF.1030000@jonat.org> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E765.84F66800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Mike, the note about decision time I thought was quite timely. I have some anxious moments myself - I have to keep in mind this is an all volunteer group and we all have different thoughts, ideas, and priorities. We DO have to set some drop dead dates about not only what you mentioned in your note, but a few other items as well. This is a critical point in the organization of the Tour, and we all have to pull together to make this thing happen - and hopefully remind each other when we see things that should get done that aren't ... so keep the frank (and constructive) comments coming ! (and yes, there is a lot of e-mail at the moment, and I expect it to peak around the end of February by which time I hope everyone has everything in place and we have just a few details to tidy up) Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: January 29, 2004 8:42 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] INDIANA I don't think so-the pres doesn't have e-mail. I will check again in early feb. By the way my note about decision time was not aimed at you. I just can't keep up with all the e-mail . For what it is worth I am going to put the final touches to the Ottawa sector by mid Feb and then re-do the Ottawa website. When I am done i will let you know and you can tell me what I have to do to get it linked to JONAT. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E765.84F66800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 Mike, the note about decision time I thought was quite timely. I = have some=20 anxious moments myself - I have to keep in mind this is an all volunteer = group=20 and we all have different thoughts, ideas, and priorities. We DO = have to=20 set some drop dead dates about not only what you mentioned in your note, = but a=20 few other items as well. This is a critical point in the = organization of=20 the Tour, and we all have to pull together to make this thing happen - = and=20 hopefully remind each other when we see things that should get done that = aren't=20 ... so keep the frank (and constructive) comments coming = !

(and=20 yes, there is a lot of e-mail at the moment, and I expect it to peak = around the=20 end of February by which time I hope everyone has everything in place = and we=20 have just a few details to tidy up)

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike=20 O'Brien
Sent: January 29, 2004 8:42 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT]=20 INDIANA

I don't think so-the pres doesn't have = e-mail. I=20 will check again in early feb. By the way my note about decision time = was not=20 aimed at you. I just can't keep up with all the e-mail . For what it is = worth I=20 am going to put the final touches to the Ottawa sector by mid Feb = and then=20 re-do the Ottawa website. When I am done i will let you know and you can = tell me=20 what I have to do to get it linked to JONAT.

Mike

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3E765.84F66800-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 18:18:09 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Fri Jan 30 18:18:09 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates References: Message-ID: <032001c3e797$cb6f8ff0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_031D_01C3E754.BD077EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, Happy with the SF dates. Let me know if there are changes. Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: Richard Jones=20 Cc: JONAT MailList=20 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:28 PM Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates Richard, yes, you've got it in one. Are the dates firm? I have not = heard from all the SC's yet (hardly any in fact - you guys alive out = there?). I would say tentative but likely at this point. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org ------=_NextPart_000_031D_01C3E754.BD077EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,

Happy with the SF dates. Let me know if there = are=20 changes.

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: Richard Jones

Cc: JONAT MailList

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 = 4:28=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised = Dates

Richard, yes, = you've got it=20 in one. Are the dates firm? I have not heard from all the = SC's yet=20 (hardly any in fact - you guys alive out there?). I would say = tentative=20 but likely at this point.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's = North American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
------=_NextPart_000_031D_01C3E754.BD077EC0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 18:44:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Jan 30 18:44:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion In-Reply-To: <007501c3e789$952a2990$d6148890@FAZAL> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3E769.456364F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see the "cap" in the JONAT bag, and the "pin" in the Sector bag ... -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal Cader Sent: January 30, 2004 5:34 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion Not a bad idea. Most clubs have individuals who do that but I've never seen the practice 'formalized'. So, cap & badge in the JONAT kit or one or the other? Fazal Cader Executive Committee, ISC - Australia Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mouton To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be supplied as part of the tour. A british style driving cap with the tour logo A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a pin collection showing where they went, and a nice hat to display them on. Or not...? Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3E769.456364F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see=20 the "cap" in the JONAT bag, and the "pin" in the Sector bag=20 ...

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Fazal=20 Cader
Sent: January 30, 2004 5:34 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Memorabilia=20 suggestion

Not a bad idea. Most clubs have = individuals who do=20 that but I've never seen the practice 'formalized'. So, cap=20 & badge in the JONAT kit or one or the other?

Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC = -=20 Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July = 4,=20 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry = Mouton=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 = 4:09=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia=20 suggestion

My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento = to=20 be

supplied as part of the tour.

A british style driving cap with the tour = logo

A pin for each of the sectors, which the=20 participant

gets at the sector welcome. Participants = then get a=20

pin collection showing where they went, and a=20 nice

hat to display them on.

Or not...?

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar = Owner's North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3E769.456364F0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 18:44:09 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Fri Jan 30 18:44:09 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates In-Reply-To: <032001c3e797$cb6f8ff0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C3E769.457A6F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There will not be any changes without your input ... that goes for all Sectors at this point. The only time I might see an exception to this is when I don't get a reply to a request for a change of dates from an individual SC ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: January 30, 2004 7:16 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates Bob, Happy with the SF dates. Let me know if there are changes. Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C3E769.457A6F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There will not be = any changes=20 without your input ... that goes for all Sectors at this point. = The only=20 time I might see an exception to this is when I don't get a reply to=20 a request for a change of dates from an individual SC ...=20 Bob

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry=20 Mouton
Sent: January 30, 2004 7:16 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Revised=20 Dates

Bob,

Happy with the SF dates. Let me know if there = are=20 changes.

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C3E769.457A6F60-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 21:41:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Brad Preiss) Date: Fri Jan 30 21:41:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C3E789.0253FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:16 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time Hey Mike, the note about decision time I thought was quite timely. I have some anxious moments myself - I have to keep in mind this is an all volunteer group and we all have different thoughts, ideas, and priorities. We DO have to set some drop dead dates about not only what you mentioned in your note, but a few other items as well. This is a critical point in the organization of the Tour, and we all have to pull together to make this thing happen - and hopefully remind each other when we see things that should get done that aren't ... so keep the frank (and constructive) comments coming ! (and yes, there is a lot of e-mail at the moment, and I expect it to peak around the end of February by which time I hope everyone has everything in place and we have just a few details to tidy up) Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: January 29, 2004 8:42 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] INDIANA I don't think so-the pres doesn't have e-mail. I will check again in early feb. By the way my note about decision time was not aimed at you. I just can't keep up with all the e-mail . For what it is worth I am going to put the final touches to the Ottawa sector by mid Feb and then re-do the Ottawa website. When I am done i will let you know and you can tell me what I have to do to get it linked to JONAT. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C3E789.0253FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Team,

Not to=20 be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob = - In=20 reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been = decided=20 on FIRMLY - seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the National=20 side

2. route has been finalized ( guilty here = as well in=20 Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been=20 mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been=20 finalized

5. process has been developed on how the SC's = get=20 reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up = front

Among=20 others.....

While=20 the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to = solidify=20 some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other = details=20 will obviously not be needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED=20 ASAP

Sorry=20 about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking=20 about.....

Brad=20 Preiss

Virginia SC

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of = Bob
Sent:=20 Friday, January 30, 2004 8:16 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time=20

Hey=20 Mike, the note about decision time I thought was quite timely. I = have=20 some anxious moments myself - I have to keep in mind this is an all = volunteer=20 group and we all have different thoughts, ideas, and priorities. = We DO=20 have to set some drop dead dates about not only what you mentioned in = your=20 note, but a few other items as well. This is a critical point in = the=20 organization of the Tour, and we all have to pull together to make = this thing=20 happen - and hopefully remind each other when we see things that = should get=20 done that aren't ... so keep the frank (and constructive) comments = coming=20 !

(and=20 yes, there is a lot of e-mail at the moment, and I expect it to peak = around=20 the end of February by which time I hope everyone has everything in = place and=20 we have just a few details to tidy up)

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike=20 O'Brien
Sent: January 29, 2004 8:42 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT]=20 INDIANA

I don't think so-the pres doesn't have = e-mail. I=20 will check again in early feb. By the way my note about decision time = was not=20 aimed at you. I just can't keep up with all the e-mail . For what it = is worth=20 I am going to put the final touches to the Ottawa sector by mid = Feb and=20 then re-do the Ottawa website. When I am done i will let you know and = you can=20 tell me what I have to do to get it linked to = JONAT.

Mike

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C3E789.0253FBA0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 23:06:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Fri Jan 30 23:06:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates Message-ID: Bob, I really think the dates should be frozen as of Monday 2/1. We really have to move from the big picture to the intermediate details -- the route -- the start is only 2-1/2 months away. People aren't going to sign up for a trip that they don't know where it's going and when. The AZ sector is finished with both those aspects so you can cast us in stone at this point, with one exception, which I'll note in a separate e-mail. When that's done, it's time to finalize the details in AZ. I know this has been discussed, but do we have a space for a web page or two on our sector on the JONAT site? Can we enter our own information there? Another thing I mentioned a while back was entering the costs of the "must-do" events on the route. That doesn't mean people have to attend them, but since the trip was specifically routed to those destinations, it would be a good idea to include the costs in the last oolumn or make a column specifically for them. That way people will have a good idea of what the different sectors will cost. Mark - AZ ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:13 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates There will not be any changes without your input ... that goes for all Sectors at this point. The only time I might see an exception to this is when I don't get a reply to a request for a change of dates from an individual SC ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: January 30, 2004 7:16 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates Bob, Happy with the SF dates. Let me know if there are changes. Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 23:10:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Fri Jan 30 23:10:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion Message-ID: Excellent. I'm for it. Mark - AZ ________________________________ From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Mouton Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:16 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Memorabilia suggestion My wife came with a great idea for a tour memento to be supplied as part of the tour. A british style driving cap with the tour logo A pin for each of the sectors, which the participant gets at the sector welcome. Participants then get a pin collection showing where they went, and a nice hat to display them on. Or not...? Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 00:00:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Mark Stephenson) Date: Sat Jan 31 00:00:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Minor correction on CO-AZ handoff. Message-ID: Bob and Robert, As I understand it, the handoff between CO and AZ will take place at lunchtime at Mesa Verde, after the tour of the cliff dwellings. This would be Thursday 4/29. Robert, you have us going from Gunnison to Mesa Verde 4/28. Were you planning an overnight somewhere near there? >From there it's about a 230 mile drive to Page, AZ where we will be spending the night. It's all on two-lanes out in the middle of nowhere, so we should be into Page within 5 hours. Friday 4/30: It's only about 140 miles to the Grand Canyon, where we'll eat lunch, spend the afternoon, and eat an early dinner. Then it will be a 60-mile twilight run to Williams where we bed down for the night. Saturday 5/1: This will be an early morning if we want to meet the Rt. 66 Fun Runners (BTW, Bob, would you change the event on the itinerary to "Route 66 Fun Run"? Thanks.) It's only about 40 miles on I-40 or we can take a few stretches of old Rt. 66 that are still there. The rest of the day is about 100 miles to Kingman, but it will take us quite a while because there are places to stop all along the way. The small towns, the old gas stations, the motels, soda fountains, all dressed up for the occasion. You might even see places you remember from the old TV series. Sunday 5/2: Kingman to Topock/Golden Shores is the last leg of the Fun Run, but we'll continue on to Lake Havasu City where we'll see the London Bridge. I think that's going to be about 150 miles, too. The next morning, San Diego Hazel takes over. Another minor note, Bob. You have old Rt. 66 highlighted on the sector map, but your highlighting follows I-40 from Kingman west, but the green line correctly follows Rt. 66 to Topock/Golden Shores. Anyway, if Robert concurs, this is the final configuration of the AZ Sector. Mark - AZ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 08:31:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 08:31:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3E7DC.AE913880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3E7DC.AE913880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them = ...

"fee has been = decided for=20 even the National side"=20 - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 = for the=20 Sector fee, I say let's set it at = that!

"route has = been=20 finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the = SC's, and=20 about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of=20 yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be = decided by=20 the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has = not looked=20 at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE = downstream, and should be = avoided.

The one difficulty is = where we do not=20 have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. = Indiana,=20 I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think = we are=20 now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a = couple of=20 e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided = that=20 ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the = decision=20 myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers = out but=20 no definitive response.

"total of = participants by=20 sector has been mentioned" - the number of = individuals=20 participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our = PR. We=20 probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in = some=20 Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we = are=20 working on a methodology now.

"decision on = who can=20 participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - = I'll try to=20 put together a policy for review by the end of the=20 weekend.

"process has = been developed=20 on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the = costs up=20 front" - that = is up to=20 the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed = fund at=20 a Tour level.

"While the = ideas of emblems=20 and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these = MAJOR=20 issues here first - or the need for these other details will=20 obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. = But also we=20 should not stifle the ideas on the small issues=20 either.

Brad=20 these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be = outspoken. =20 There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them = too. =20 There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and = I=20 personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as=20 possible.

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad=20 Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time=20

Team,

Not to=20 be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob = - In=20 reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been = decided=20 on FIRMLY - seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the National=20 side

2. route has been finalized ( guilty here = as well in=20 Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been=20 mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been=20 finalized

5. process has been developed on how the SC's = get=20 reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up = front

Among=20 others.....

While=20 the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to = solidify=20 some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other = details=20 will obviously not be needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED=20 ASAP

Sorry=20 about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking=20 about.....

Brad=20 Preiss

Virginia SC
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3E7DC.AE913880-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 08:46:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 08:46:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Monday might be too soon but mid month latest. That means ALL SC's that have not done so NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR ROUTE TIMING. For there routes where there is no SC. I will revisit those and ask the group to look at them and provide me some feedback if they are familiar with that portion. I would say the dates are fixed on the first half of the Tour as of now (i.e. Orlando to Vancouver BC), it's the remainder that might need a bit of slight messaging. Yes, there is room on the JONAT website for Sector webpages if you need it. You will have to get in touch with webmaster Greg Meboe at webmaster@jonat.org to make arrangements. The costs for "Highly Recommended" activities in your Sector should be listed on your Sector's webpage. Trying to keep it in a single central location is likely too big a job at this point. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: January 31, 2004 12:04 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates Bob, I really think the dates should be frozen as of Monday 2/1. We really have to move from the big picture to the intermediate details -- the route -- the start is only 2-1/2 months away. People aren't going to sign up for a trip that they don't know where it's going and when. The AZ sector is finished with both those aspects so you can cast us in stone at this point, with one exception, which I'll note in a separate e-mail. When that's done, it's time to finalize the details in AZ. I know this has been discussed, but do we have a space for a web page or two on our sector on the JONAT site? Can we enter our own information there? Another thing I mentioned a while back was entering the costs of the "must-do" events on the route. That doesn't mean people have to attend them, but since the trip was specifically routed to those destinations, it would be a good idea to include the costs in the last oolumn or make a column specifically for them. That way people will have a good idea of what the different sectors will cost. Mark - AZ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 09:01:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 09:01:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Minor correction on CO-AZ handoff. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Have made the corrections you requested (on Itinerary and Rt.66 highlight on map). Let me know once you have heard from Robert, and have your revised route selected, and I'll update the maps. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: January 31, 2004 12:58 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: [JONAT] Minor correction on CO-AZ handoff. Bob and Robert, As I understand it, the handoff between CO and AZ will take place at lunchtime at Mesa Verde, after the tour of the cliff dwellings. This would be Thursday 4/29. Robert, you have us going from Gunnison to Mesa Verde 4/28. Were you planning an overnight somewhere near there? >From there it's about a 230 mile drive to Page, AZ where we will be spending the night. It's all on two-lanes out in the middle of nowhere, so we should be into Page within 5 hours. Friday 4/30: It's only about 140 miles to the Grand Canyon, where we'll eat lunch, spend the afternoon, and eat an early dinner. Then it will be a 60-mile twilight run to Williams where we bed down for the night. Saturday 5/1: This will be an early morning if we want to meet the Rt. 66 Fun Runners (BTW, Bob, would you change the event on the itinerary to "Route 66 Fun Run"? Thanks.) It's only about 40 miles on I-40 or we can take a few stretches of old Rt. 66 that are still there. The rest of the day is about 100 miles to Kingman, but it will take us quite a while because there are places to stop all along the way. The small towns, the old gas stations, the motels, soda fountains, all dressed up for the occasion. You might even see places you remember from the old TV series. Sunday 5/2: Kingman to Topock/Golden Shores is the last leg of the Fun Run, but we'll continue on to Lake Havasu City where we'll see the London Bridge. I think that's going to be about 150 miles, too. The next morning, San Diego Hazel takes over. Another minor note, Bob. You have old Rt. 66 highlighted on the sector map, but your highlighting follows I-40 from Kingman west, but the green line correctly follows Rt. 66 to Topock/Golden Shores. Anyway, if Robert concurs, this is the final configuration of the AZ Sector. Mark - AZ _______________________________________________ JAGUAR OWNER'S NORTH AMERICAN TOUR mailing list REPLY TO : JONAT@autox.team.net www.jonat.org _______________________________________________ From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 09:24:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 09:24:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Summary Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Did not get around to your request early this week as I had hope, but better late that never I suppose. First I'll start with my role on the Executive Committee, then some of the other items that might be of interest. Route Coordinator (my job) - Makes sure we have a contiguous route from Orlando to Orlando, that the days are not too long, and the Sector Coordinators are coordinating their hand-off points. This also includes maintaining the itinerary. Other stuff I am doing but hope to get someone else to do - I have also been updating the website (except for the registration pages), getting SC's on board and making sure they have a committee of at least 1 other in place, putting together a bit of early PR (boy am I unqualified for this!) with Hudson's feedback. I have also been trying to get a few policies in place so we all stand on common ground (see Controversies 101 to 103). Lastly, If have tried to keep the banter going on the lists so we don't loose focus. I'll let Fazal and Jamie give you a rundown on their roles. Concerns - my main concern relating to the Route Coordinator's role is making sure all the SC's are in place in short order and that they are comfortable with the schedule for their Sector. It has been a real pain to have SC's resign having not taken the time to get someone to fill their shoes - that has caused me a tremendous amount of grief, time, and effort (and why I keep bugging the SC's to get their committee together ASAP!). My other concerns is that we have not heard from a few SC's in a while, and this makes me a bit nervous. I would encourage EVERYONE to provide feedback to this mailing list every week or two so I know you are still out there. Two important issues that need to be finalized soon by the EC relate to the registration (and fees and collecting) as well as PR. Perhaps Jamie/Fazal can comment on these. I think some of the other items in your I may have answered (or at least provided an update on) in an earlier e-mail. If not, let me know ... Bob England -----Original Message----- From: Brad Preiss [mailto:bpreiss@cox.net] Sent: January 25, 2004 7:04 PM To: engl@accesscomm.ca Subject: Summary Request - Bob, I know this would be a bit of work but I think as we wind up towards the kickoff we need to get a summary of what is going on from your committee. IE: Dates as they stand - any numbers as they stand - and current costs expected, as well as any gaps and foreseeable issues as they stand. Since we are now starting to get national press coverage we should start thinking a bit bigger.... Brad From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 09:40:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Brad Preiss) Date: Sat Jan 31 09:40:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3E7ED.2EF85D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob - Thank you!! This is excellent feedback - and exactly what we/I as SC's need information on to get things moving forward..... I will have my route finalized in short order. Brad Virginia SC -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:29 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Importance: High Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3E7ED.2EF85D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob -=20

Thank=20 you!!

This=20 is excellent feedback - and exactly what we/I as SC's need information = on=20 to get things moving forward.....

I will=20 have my route finalized in short order.

Brad

Virginia SC

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of=20 Bob
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:29 = AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- = REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !
Importance: High

Hi=20 Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them = ...

"fee has been = decided for=20 even the National side" - no, still under=20 discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector = fee, I say=20 let's set it at that!

"route has been=20 finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the = SC's, and=20 about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of = yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be = decided=20 by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC = has not=20 looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for = EVERYONE downstream, and should be=20 avoided.

The one difficulty is = where we do=20 not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having = one. =20 Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. = Toronto, I=20 think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have = sent out=20 a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I = have=20 decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" = and will=20 make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and = I have=20 some feelers out but no definitive=20 response.

"total of = participants by=20 sector has been mentioned" - the number of = individuals=20 participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our = PR. We=20 probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later = in some=20 Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we = are=20 working on a methodology now.

"decision on = who can=20 participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - = I'll try=20 to put together a policy for review by the end of the=20 weekend.

"process has = been=20 developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover = some of=20 the costs up front" -=20 that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. = There is=20 no seed fund at a Tour level.

"While the = ideas of=20 emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify = some of=20 these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other = details will=20 obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. = But also=20 we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues=20 either.

Brad=20 these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be=20 outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would = like to=20 see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer = type=20 organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as = much as=20 possible.

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad=20 Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time=20

Team,

Not=20 to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask = , Bob -=20 In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have = been=20 decided on FIRMLY - seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the National=20 side

2. route has been finalized ( guilty = here as well=20 in Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been=20 mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been=20 finalized

5. process has been developed on how the = SC's get=20 reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up = front

Among others.....

While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - = We have=20 got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need=20 for these other details will obviously not be=20 needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED=20 ASAP

Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike = was talking=20 about.....

Brad=20 Preiss

Virginia SC
------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3E7ED.2EF85D40-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 09:48:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Richard Jones) Date: Sat Jan 31 09:48:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! References: Message-ID: <005201c3e819$ce9a9710$6501a8c0@rej866> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3E7E7.832BC010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: =20 "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should = we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and = how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour = level. ----- I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. = Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any = reimbursements). If you are referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, = and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector = fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in = sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go? Dick Jones Minnesota SC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under = discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say = let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, = that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me = feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much = right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does = concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an = extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be = avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. = Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as = there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and = Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC = group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response = means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves = Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of = individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we = do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March = (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is = registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're = close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the = weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should = we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and = how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour = level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We = have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need = for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot = on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be = outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to = see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type = organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as = much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time=20 Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask = , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that = have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )=20 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed = should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We = have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need = for these other details will obviously not be needed.=20 DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was = talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3E7E7.832BC010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re: =20
"process has = been=20 developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover = some of=20 the costs up front" -=20 that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. = There is=20 no seed fund at a Tour level.

-----
=
I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements = are=20 anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not = expecting any=20 costs (or any reimbursements). If you=20 are

referring to things like printing optional=20 sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by = the=20 anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what = happens=20 when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- = where=20 does the = remainder=20 go?

Dick = Jones

Minnesota = SC

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 9:29=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision = time ---=20 REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Hi=20 Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them = ...

"fee has been decided for even the = National=20 side" - = no, still=20 under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the = Sector=20 fee, I say let's set it at = that!

"route has been = finalized ( guilty=20 here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the = the SC's,=20 and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route = as of=20 yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should = be=20 decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that = if an SC=20 has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a = problem=20 for EVERYONE downstream, and should be=20 avoided.

The=20 one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in = place. =20 Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by = pass as=20 there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. = Dallas=20 and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the = SC/ASC=20 group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the = decision=20 myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some = feelers out=20 but no definitive response.

"total of participants by sector = has been=20 mentioned" - the=20 number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon = how=20 well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until = say end of=20 March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this = point=20 is registration, and we are working on a methodology=20 now.

"decision on who can participate = has been=20 finalized" - I=20 think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by = the end=20 of the weekend.

"process has been developed on how = the=20 SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20 front" - = that is up=20 to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is = no seed=20 fund at a Tour level.

"While the ideas of emblems and = badges and=20 the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR = issues here=20 first - or the need for these other details will = obviously not be=20 needed." = - you are=20 spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small = issues=20 either.

Brad these type of comments are good and = I would=20 encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are = behind=20 where I would like to see them too. There is always a last = minute rush=20 on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and = want to=20 avoid it as much as possible.

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad=20 Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time=20

Team,

Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and = I have to=20 ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY = details that=20 have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the National=20 side

2. route has been finalized ( guilty = here as=20 well in Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been=20 mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been=20 finalized

5. process has been developed on how the = SC's get=20 reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20 front

Among others.....

While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice = - We have=20 got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need=20 for these other details will obviously not be=20 needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS = REQUIRED=20 ASAP

Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike = was=20 talking about.....

Brad Preiss

Virginia SC

------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3E7E7.832BC010-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 10:07:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sat Jan 31 10:07:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! References: <005201c3e819$ce9a9710$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: <004a01c3e81b$aa4d2790$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_zpcM3vgv2XtW9Nwc/z4dDw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected? Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Jones To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Re: "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. ----- I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you are referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go? Dick Jones Minnesota SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC --Boundary_(ID_zpcM3vgv2XtW9Nwc/z4dDw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected?

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Jones

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Re:
"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.

-----

I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you are

referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go?

Dick Jones

Minnesota SC

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ...

"fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that!

"route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided.

The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response.

"total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now.

"decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend.

"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.

"While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either.

Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time

Team,

Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the National side

2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been finalized

5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front

Among others.....

While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP

Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about.....

Brad Preiss

Virginia SC

--Boundary_(ID_zpcM3vgv2XtW9Nwc/z4dDw)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 12:00:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 12:00:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! In-Reply-To: <005201c3e819$ce9a9710$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3E7F9.EC48C1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater than $10). Any monies left over is to go to charity. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Re: "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. ----- I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you are referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go? Dick Jones Minnesota SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3E7F9.EC48C1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dick

Up front costs = would include,=20 for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as = registrations are=20 paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't = cover much,=20 so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some = sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater = than=20 $10).

Any monies left = over is to=20 go to charity.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's = North American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard=20 Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- = REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

Re: =20
"process has = been=20 developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover = some of=20 the costs up front" -=20 that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. = There is=20 no seed fund at a Tour level.

-----
=
I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements = are=20 anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not = expecting any=20 costs (or any reimbursements). If you=20 are

referring to things like printing optional=20 sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by = the=20 anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what = happens=20 when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- = where=20 does the = remainder=20 go?

Dick = Jones

Minnesota = SC

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 9:29=20 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision = time ---=20 REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Hi=20 Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them = ...

"fee has been decided for even the = National=20 side" - = no, still=20 under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the = Sector=20 fee, I say let's set it at = that!

"route has been = finalized ( guilty=20 here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the = the SC's,=20 and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route = as of=20 yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should = be=20 decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that = if an SC=20 has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a = problem=20 for EVERYONE downstream, and should be=20 avoided.

The=20 one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in = place. =20 Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by = pass as=20 there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. = Dallas=20 and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the = SC/ASC=20 group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the = decision=20 myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some = feelers out=20 but no definitive response.

"total of participants by sector = has been=20 mentioned" - the=20 number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon = how=20 well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until = say end of=20 March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this = point=20 is registration, and we are working on a methodology=20 now.

"decision on who can participate = has been=20 finalized" - I=20 think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by = the end=20 of the weekend.

"process has been developed on how = the=20 SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20 front" - = that is up=20 to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is = no seed=20 fund at a Tour level.

"While the ideas of emblems and = badges and=20 the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR = issues here=20 first - or the need for these other details will = obviously not be=20 needed." = - you are=20 spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small = issues=20 either.

Brad these type of comments are good and = I would=20 encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are = behind=20 where I would like to see them too. There is always a last = minute rush=20 on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and = want to=20 avoid it as much as possible.

Bob=20 England
'69 = E-Type & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad=20 Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time=20

Team,

Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and = I have to=20 ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY = details that=20 have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the National=20 side

2. route has been finalized ( guilty = here as=20 well in Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been=20 mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been=20 finalized

5. process has been developed on how the = SC's get=20 reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20 front

Among others.....

While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice = - We have=20 got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need=20 for these other details will obviously not be=20 needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS = REQUIRED=20 ASAP

Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike = was=20 talking about.....

Brad Preiss

Virginia SC

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3E7F9.EC48C1D0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 12:00:38 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 12:00:38 2004 Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? In-Reply-To: <004a01c3e81b$aa4d2790$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E7F9.EC8A85C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other thoughts? We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your registration by e-mail it does not work yet. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E7F9.EC8A85C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've put some = thought into this=20 lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector = fees=20 collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people will be = sending=20 their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, = with no=20 monies passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not = be the=20 best way though ... any other thoughts?

We will probably = also need=20 fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and one = for=20 CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put together = some=20 registration pages at h= ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if= =20 you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you = submit your=20 registration by e-mail it does not work yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- = REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

And, how exactly are these fees (both general and = sector) to=20 be collected?

 = =20 = =20 Gregory

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E7F9.EC8A85C0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:18:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Richard Jones) Date: Sat Jan 31 16:18:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! References: Message-ID: <014001c3e850$320bd5d0$6501a8c0@rej866> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C3E81D.E70B02E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't = very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute = their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might = think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are = registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your = registration fee. That's it. As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the = anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description = given in the SC Guide http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is = basically to establish a route, with recommended hotels, restaurants, and = stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying doing these core = activities, I know I would have little time to do much more. Dick Minnesota SC =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Dick Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the = handout until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts = coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we = decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover = the additional costs (printing plus pin greater than $10). Any monies left over is to go to charity. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Re: =20 "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should = we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and = how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour = level. ----- I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by = SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any = reimbursements). If you are referring to things like printing optional sector-specific = handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 = sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is = collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the = remainder go? Dick Jones Minnesota SC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still = under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, = I say let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - = no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given = me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much = right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does = concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an = extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be = avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. = Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as = there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and = Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC = group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response = means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves = Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the = number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how = well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of = March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is = registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think = we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of = the weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed = should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the = SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at = a Tour level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - = We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the = need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are = spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues = either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all = to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would = like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer = type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it = as much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time=20 Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to = ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details = that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) = 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed = should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We = have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need = for these other details will obviously not be needed.=20 DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED = ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was = talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C3E81D.E70B02E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob,

While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector = travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, = fabricate, and=20 distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive = than=20 you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would = be - if=20 you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your=20 registration fee. That's it.

As I read more posts, I am getting a little = concerned that=20 the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the=20 description given in the SC Guide

http://www= .jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which=20 is basically

to establish a route, with recommended hotels, = restaurants,=20 and stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying = doing these=20 core activities, I know I would have little time to do much = more.

Dick

Minnesota SC

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 12:58=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision = time ---=20 REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Dick

Up front costs = would=20 include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time = as=20 registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in = mind=20 $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin = idea, you=20 will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs = (printing=20 plus pin greater than $10).

Any monies left = over is to go to charity.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour (JONAT)
Route = Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard=20 Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time = --- REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

Re: =20
"process has been developed on = how the=20 SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs = up=20 front" = - that is=20 up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. = There is no=20 seed fund at a Tour = level.

-----
=
I'm not clear on what = costs/reimbursements are=20 anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not = expecting=20 any costs (or any reimbursements). If you=20 are

referring to things like printing = optional=20 sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered = by the=20 anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering = what=20 happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is = spent --=20 where does = the remainder=20 go?

Dick = Jones

Minnesota = SC

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob=20

To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January = 31, 2004=20 9:29 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = decision time=20 --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them=20 ...

"fee has been decided for even = the=20 National side"=20 - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with = the $10=20 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at=20 that!

"route has been = finalized (=20 guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up = the the=20 SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on = their=20 route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right = now, but=20 should be decided by the end of the month. What does = concern me is=20 that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra = day, THAT=20 causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be=20 avoided.

The=20 one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in = place. =20 Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will = by pass=20 as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now = close. =20 Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of = e-mails to=20 the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided = that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make = the=20 decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I = have some=20 feelers out but no definitive=20 response.

"total of participants by = sector has=20 been mentioned"=20 - the number of individuals participating in each sector is = dependant=20 upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good = idea=20 until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). = One of the=20 keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a = methodology=20 now.

"decision on who can = participate has=20 been finalized"=20 - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for = review by=20 the end of the weekend.

"process has been developed on = how the=20 SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs = up=20 front" - that=20 is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. = There=20 is no seed fund at a Tour=20 level.

"While the ideas of emblems = and badges=20 and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these = MAJOR=20 issues here first - or the need for these other details = will=20 obviously not be needed." - you are spot = on. But=20 also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues=20 either.

Brad these type of comments are good = and I=20 would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items = that=20 are behind where I would like to see them too. There is = always a=20 last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I = personally hate=20 that part and want to avoid it as much as = possible.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On=20 Behalf Of Brad Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 = PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: = [JONAT]=20 decision time

Team,

Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% = and I=20 have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are = there ANY=20 details that have been decided on FIRMLY -=20 seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the = National=20 side

2. route has been finalized ( = guilty here as=20 well in Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been=20 mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been=20 finalized

5. process has been developed on how the = SC's=20 get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20 front

Among others.....

While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are = nice - We=20 have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or = the need=20 for these other details will obviously not be=20 needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS = REQUIRED=20 ASAP

Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what = Mike was=20 talking about.....

Brad Preiss

Virginia = SC

------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C3E81D.E70B02E0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:21:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Richard Jones) Date: Sat Jan 31 16:21:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? References: Message-ID: <014401c3e850$a4374860$6501a8c0@rej866> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C3E81E.594A72A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What is = the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be = more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour, = which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of = sectors travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get = more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be = funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be managed = basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved requests, the = central committee would then simply disperse the reimbursements from = this pot and always know exactly where things stand financially. =20 Dick. Minnesota SC. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour = fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The = downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the = place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing = between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way = though ... any other thoughts? We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration = people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I = have started to put together some registration pages at = http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you = want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit = your registration by e-mail it does not work yet. Bob=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be = collected? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C3E81E.594A72A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob,

As I look at this some more, the question keeps = popping=20 up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector = fees? =20 Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for=20 participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone,=20 regardless of the number of sectors=20 travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors = get more=20 bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money = to all=20 be funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be = managed=20 basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved=20 requests, the central committee would then simply disperse the=20 reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things = stand=20 financially.

Dick.

Minnesota SC.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 12:58=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] How do we = collect fees=20 ?

I've put some = thought into=20 this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, = and Sector=20 fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people = will be=20 sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it=20 distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the=20 sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other=20 thoughts?

We will = probably also need=20 fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and = one for=20 CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put = together=20 some registration pages at h= ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if= =20 you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you = submit=20 your registration by e-mail it does not work = yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time = --- REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

And, how exactly are these fees (both general = and sector)=20 to be collected?

 = =20 = =20 Gregory

------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C3E81E.594A72A0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:27:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sat Jan 31 16:27:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! References: <014001c3e850$320bd5d0$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: <00ac01c3e850$d9512f70$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Iff6CWstMo+hviMZCXZ05w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am with you, Dick. Some of us have day jobs. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Jones To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Bob, While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee. That's it. As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description given in the SC Guide http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically to establish a route, with recommended hotels, restaurants, and stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying doing these core activities, I know I would have little time to do much more. Dick Minnesota SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Dick Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater than $10). Any monies left over is to go to charity. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Re: "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. ----- I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you are referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go? Dick Jones Minnesota SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC --Boundary_(ID_Iff6CWstMo+hviMZCXZ05w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I am with you, Dick. Some of us have day jobs.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Jones

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Bob,

While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee. That's it.

As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description given in the SC Guide

http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically

to establish a route, with recommended hotels, restaurants, and stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying doing these core activities, I know I would have little time to do much more.

Dick

Minnesota SC

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Dick

Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater than $10).

Any monies left over is to go to charity.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Re:
"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.

-----

I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you are

referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go?

Dick Jones

Minnesota SC

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ...

"fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that!

"route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided.

The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response.

"total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now.

"decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend.

"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.

"While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either.

Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible.

Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time

Team,

Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the National side

2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been finalized

5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front

Among others.....

While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP

Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about.....

Brad Preiss

Virginia SC

--Boundary_(ID_Iff6CWstMo+hviMZCXZ05w)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:37:05 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Robert and Darlene Stevenson) Date: Sat Jan 31 16:37:05 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! In-Reply-To: <014001c3e850$320bd5d0$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3158418932_5389726_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Richard Jones1/31/04 6:16 PMrjones@mn.rr.com Hi Dick, I'm sitting here in Michigan with no one in front or behind me scratching my head! Do you know who or if there is someone in Wisconsin that I can talk to? Until Indiana withdrew I thought at least that part was covered and all of this talk about charging entrants to mainly drive through their own states, good luck! Bob Bob, While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee. That's it. As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description given in the SC Guide http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically --MS_Mac_OE_3158418932_5389726_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</T= ITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Richard Jones1/31/04 6:16 PMrjones@mn.rr.com Hi Dick, I'm sitting here in Michigan with no one in front or beh= ind me scratching my head! Do you know who or if there is someone in Wiscons= in that I can talk to? Until Indiana withdrew I thought at least that part w= as covered and all of this talk about charging entrants to mainly drive thro= ugh their own states, good luck! &n= bsp; = Bob <BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE> Bob, While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled= , it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distri= bute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you mi= ght think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you = are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registratio= n fee. That's it. As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that t= he anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description g= iven in the SC Guide http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically</F= ONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3158418932_5389726_MIME_Part-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:40:02 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 16:40:02 2004 Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? In-Reply-To: <014401c3e850$a4374860$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: <AIEKJFGJMEEHHMGNJOMKMEBCDEAA.engl@accesscomm.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3E821.099DFEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own finances. I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. How does that sound as an alternative ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Bob, As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of sectors travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things stand financially. Dick. Minnesota SC. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other thoughts? We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your registration by e-mail it does not work yet. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected? 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Dick

The idea is to keep = things=20 simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing if = for JONAT=20 central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect theirs, so one = flat fee=20 I think would be less manageable for us volunteers (much better, = however, for=20 the participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the = Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to = collect and=20 manage their own finances.

I suppose if we = collect $65 for=20 the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the participants' = home=20 sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount = though=20 to keep it simple. How does that sound as an alternative ...

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard=20 Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect = fees=20 ?

Bob,

As I look at this some more, the question keeps = popping=20 up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector = fees? =20 Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for=20 participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone,=20 regardless of the number of sectors=20 travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors = get more=20 bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money = to all=20 be funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be = managed=20 basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved=20 requests, the central committee would then simply disperse the=20 reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things = stand=20 financially.

Dick.

Minnesota SC.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 12:58=20 PM

Subject: [JONAT] How do we = collect fees=20 ?

I've put some = thought into=20 this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, = and Sector=20 fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people = will be=20 sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it=20 distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the=20 sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other=20 thoughts?

We will = probably also need=20 fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and = one for=20 CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put = together=20 some registration pages at h= ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if= =20 you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you = submit=20 your registration by e-mail it does not work = yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory=20 Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time = --- REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

And, how exactly are these fees (both general = and sector)=20 to be collected?

 = =20 = =20 Gregory

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3E821.099DFEE0-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:40:32 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 16:40:32 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! In-Reply-To: <014001c3e850$320bd5d0$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3E821.0AF77460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the SC's role may be expanding, and we have to be careful of this, both for the SC's and the EC. I know for example what I am doing is far more than expected, and it does get overwhelming at times (you can probably tell from the tone of my emails from time to time). If any SC starts to get this feeling, its time to take a time out, express your concerns to the group, and get us back on track. Things have evolved slightly since I put together that page, and perhaps its time we revisited it. I'll do some updates, highlight the changes, and submit them to the group for comments. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 5:16 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Bob, While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee. That's it. As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description given in the SC Guide http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically to establish a route, with recommended hotels, restaurants, and stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying doing these core activities, I know I would have little time to do much more. Dick Minnesota SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Dick Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater than $10). Any monies left over is to go to charity. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Re: "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. ----- I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you are referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go? Dick Jones Minnesota SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ... "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that! "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided. The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response. "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now. "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend. "process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level. "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either. Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible. Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time Team, Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously: I don't think a: 1. fee has been decided for even the National side 2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned 4. decision on who can participate has been finalized 5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front Among others..... While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about..... Brad Preiss Virginia SC ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3E821.0AF77460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, the SC's role = may be=20 expanding, and we have to be careful of this, both for the SC's and the=20 EC. I know for example what I am doing is far more than expected, = and it=20 does get overwhelming at times (you can probably tell from the tone of = my emails=20 from time to time). If any SC starts to get this feeling, its time = to take=20 a time out, express your concerns to the group, and get us back on=20 track.

Things have evolved = slightly=20 since I put together that page, and perhaps its time we revisited = it. I'll=20 do some updates, highlight the changes, and submit them to the group for = comments.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's = North American=20 Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard=20 Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:16 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- = REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

Bob,

While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector = travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, = fabricate, and=20 distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive = than=20 you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would = be - if=20 you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your=20 registration fee. That's it.

As I read more posts, I am getting a little = concerned that=20 the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the=20 description given in the SC Guide

http://www= .jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which=20 is basically

to establish a route, with recommended hotels, = restaurants,=20 and stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying = doing these=20 core activities, I know I would have little time to do much = more.

Dick

Minnesota SC

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 12:58=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision = time ---=20 REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Dick

Up front costs = would=20 include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time = as=20 registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in = mind=20 $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin = idea, you=20 will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs = (printing=20 plus pin greater than $10).

Any monies left = over is to go to charity.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour (JONAT)
Route = Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard=20 Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time = --- REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

Re: =20
"process has been developed on = how the=20 SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs = up=20 front" = - that is=20 up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. = There is no=20 seed fund at a Tour = level.

-----
=
I'm not clear on what = costs/reimbursements are=20 anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not = expecting=20 any costs (or any reimbursements). If you=20 are

referring to things like printing = optional=20 sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered = by the=20 anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering = what=20 happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is = spent --=20 where does = the remainder=20 go?

Dick = Jones

Minnesota = SC

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob=20

To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January = 31, 2004=20 9:29 AM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] = decision time=20 --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them=20 ...

"fee has been decided for even = the=20 National side"=20 - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with = the $10=20 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at=20 that!

"route has been = finalized (=20 guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up = the the=20 SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on = their=20 route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right = now, but=20 should be decided by the end of the month. What does = concern me is=20 that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra = day, THAT=20 causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be=20 avoided.

The=20 one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in = place. =20 Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will = by pass=20 as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now = close. =20 Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of = e-mails to=20 the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided = that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make = the=20 decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I = have some=20 feelers out but no definitive=20 response.

"total of participants by = sector has=20 been mentioned"=20 - the number of individuals participating in each sector is = dependant=20 upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good = idea=20 until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). = One of the=20 keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a = methodology=20 now.

"decision on who can = participate has=20 been finalized"=20 - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for = review by=20 the end of the weekend.

"process has been developed on = how the=20 SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs = up=20 front" - that=20 is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. = There=20 is no seed fund at a Tour=20 level.

"While the ideas of emblems = and badges=20 and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these = MAJOR=20 issues here first - or the need for these other details = will=20 obviously not be needed." - you are spot = on. But=20 also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues=20 either.

Brad these type of comments are good = and I=20 would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items = that=20 are behind where I would like to see them too. There is = always a=20 last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I = personally hate=20 that part and want to avoid it as much as = possible.

Bob = England
'69 E-Type &=20 '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On=20 Behalf Of Brad Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 = PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: = [JONAT]=20 decision time

Team,

Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% = and I=20 have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are = there ANY=20 details that have been decided on FIRMLY -=20 seriously:

I don't think a:

1. fee has been decided for even the = National=20 side

2. route has been finalized ( = guilty here as=20 well in Virginia )

3. total of participants by sector has been=20 mentioned

4. decision on who can participate has been=20 finalized

5. process has been developed on how the = SC's=20 get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20 front

Among others.....

While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are = nice - We=20 have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or = the need=20 for these other details will obviously not be=20 needed.

DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS = REQUIRED=20 ASAP

Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what = Mike was=20 talking about.....

Brad Preiss

Virginia = SC

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3E821.0AF77460-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 17:28:04 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 31 17:28:04 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3E827.BBB4E930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !Bob You do bring up a question that needs to be addressed - if people are charged $45us, will they be interested if they are just driving their home state or province. Based on the feedback from my own local sector, it sounds like this would not be a problem PROVIDED there is good value - and that value comes from the intangible (camaraderie, etc.) as well as the tangible (goodie bag, events, etc.) Your other point brings back to my overly expressed opinion about getting ASC's in place. We had coordinators on BOTH sides of you, but both had resigned without someone to take their place, and neither stepped up to the plate to find someone. This leaves the Tour hanging while we find another SC for these areas, or re-route - while we should be getting on with more detailed planning. But to more specifically address your comments, upstream of you I have been corresponding with the Wisconsin Jaguar club. They don't have an individual in place, but hope to soon. On the other side of you, I sent out a note earlier this week (or was it a few weeks ago) about routing from you south of Lake Erie to Toronto rather than north of Lake Erie as there did seem some interest down there. Really did not get much feedback. I also asked the question was were you interested in taking on a longer Sector - I thought you had sent a reply but cannot seem to find it at the moment - could I trouble you to resend? I did have some correspondence this week from the Toronto area, but no-one has committed as of yet (but it did sound very promising). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert and Darlene Stevenson Sent: January 31, 2004 5:36 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! Richard Jones1/31/04 6:16 PMrjones@mn.rr.com Hi Dick, I'm sitting here in Michigan with no one in front or behind me scratching my head! Do you know who or if there is someone in Wisconsin that I can talk to? Until Indiana withdrew I thought at least that part was covered and all of this talk about charging entrants to mainly drive through their own states, good luck! Bob Bob, While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee. That's it. As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description given in the SC Guide http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3E827.BBB4E930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY = IMPORTANT READ !
Bob

You do=20 bring up a question that needs to be addressed - if people are charged = $45us,=20 will they be interested if they are just driving their home state or=20 province. Based on the feedback from my own local sector, it = sounds like=20 this would not be a problem PROVIDED there is good value - and that = value comes=20 from the intangible (camaraderie, etc.) as well as the tangible = (goodie=20 bag, events, etc.)

Your other point brings back to = my overly=20 expressed opinion about getting ASC's in place. We had = coordinators on=20 BOTH sides of you, but both = had=20 resigned without someone to take their place, and neither stepped up to = the=20 plate to find someone. This leaves the Tour hanging while we find = another=20 SC for these areas, or re-route - while we should be getting on with = more=20 detailed planning.

But to=20 more specifically address your comments, upstream of you I have = been=20 corresponding with the Wisconsin Jaguar club. They don't have an=20 individual in place, but hope to soon.

On the=20 other side of you, I sent out a note earlier this week (or was it a few = weeks=20 ago) about routing from you south of Lake Erie to Toronto rather than = north of=20 Lake Erie as there did seem some interest down there. Really did = not get=20 much feedback. I also asked the question was were you = interested=20 in taking on a longer Sector - I thought you had sent a reply but = cannot=20 seem to find it at the moment - could I trouble you to resend? I = did have=20 some correspondence this week from the Toronto area, but no-one has = committed as of yet (but it did sound very = promising).

Bob=20 England
'69 E-Type = & '72=20 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route=20 Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert and = Darlene=20 Stevenson
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:36 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- = REALLY=20 IMPORTANT READ !

Richard Jones1/31/04 6:16=20 PMrjones@mn.rr.com
Hi Dick,
 I'm sitting here in = Michigan=20 with no one in front or behind me scratching my head! Do you know who or = if=20 there is someone in Wisconsin that I can talk to? Until Indiana withdrew = I=20 thought at least that part was covered and all of this talk about = charging=20 entrants to mainly drive through their own states, good=20 luck!
 &nbs= p; = ; = Bob

Bob,

While = it may be=20 nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very = practical to=20 have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins.=20 Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think = when=20 ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are = registered,=20 you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee.=20 That's it.

As I read more posts, = I am=20 getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's = may be=20 escalating above the description given in the SC=20 Guide
http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which = is=20 basically
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3E827.BBB4E930-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 17:32:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (R J England) Date: Sat Jan 31 17:32:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] Webpage Updates Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3E828.3C292090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have updated the Coordinators Guide webpage and the Who Can Participate webpage. I would appreciate some feedback and/or suggestions. Thanks. Bob England ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3E828.3C292090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have = updated the=20 Coordinators Guide webpage and the Who Can Participate webpage. I = would=20 appreciate some feedback and/or suggestions. = Thanks.

Bob=20 England

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3E828.3C292090-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 17:50:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Robert and Darlene Stevenson) Date: Sat Jan 31 17:50:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3158423309_5511174_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bob1/31/04 7:26 PMengl@accesscomm.ca Bob, Too many Bob's, I'm confused! I'll met the incoming group wherever is necessary and still hope to bring a group of our folks to meet them. If we reach Detroit early enough I thought that I'd take them over to Greenfield Village or The Henry Ford Museum, both of which are world class and well known. As both facilities are basically side by side it would be their choice. As I mentioned in an earlier message the plans are to stay at the same hotel just west of Detroit that was used by the participants in the Great Race. If you have someone in Ohio that's interested maybe that's the way to go as it sounds like Toronto is not interested. I'll drop them off anywhere as long as it's not a 200-300 mile ride. I cannot imagine the turmoil you must be going through trying to put everyone and everything in place. Bob Stevenson Bob You do bring up a question that needs to be addressed - if people are charged $45us, will they be interested if they are just driving their home state or province. Based on the feedback from my own local sector, it sounds like this would not be a problem PROVIDED there is good value - and that value comes from the intangible (camaraderie, etc.) as well as the tangible (goodie bag, events, etc.) Your other point brings back to my overly expressed opinion about getting ASC's in place. We had coordinators on BOTH sides of you, but both had resigned without someone to take their place, and neither stepped up to the plate to find someone. This leaves the Tour hanging while we find another SC for these areas, or re-route - while we should be getting on with more detailed planning. But to more specifically address your comments, upstream of you I have been corresponding with the Wisconsin Jaguar club. They don't have an individual in place, but hope to soon. On the other side of you, I sent out a note earlier this week (or was it a few weeks ago) about routing from you south of Lake Erie to Toronto rather than north of Lake Erie as there did seem some interest down there. Really did not get much feedback. I also asked the question was were you interested in taking on a longer Sector - I thought you had sent a reply but cannot seem to find it at the moment - could I trouble you to resend? I did have some correspondence this week from the Toronto area, but no-one has committed as of yet (but it did sound very promising). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert and Darlene Stevenson Sent: January 31, 2004 5:36 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! --MS_Mac_OE_3158423309_5511174_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</T= ITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Bob1/31/04 7:26 PMengl@accesscomm.ca Bob, Too many Bob's, I'm confused! I'll met the incoming group wherever is = necessary and still hope to bring a group of our folks to meet them. If we r= each Detroit early enough I thought that I'd take them over to Greenfield Vi= llage or The Henry Ford Museum, both of which are world class and well known= . As both facilities are basically side by side it would be their choice. As= I mentioned in an earlier message the plans are to stay at the same hotel j= ust west of Detroit that was used by the participants in the Great Race. If = you have someone in Ohio that's interested maybe that's the way to go as it = sounds like Toronto is not interested. I'll drop them off anywhere as long a= s it's not a 200-300 mile ride. I cannot imagine the turmoil you must be going through t= rying to put everyone and everything in place. &n= bsp; Bob Stevenso= n <BLOCKQUOTE>Bob You do bring up a q= uestion that needs to be addressed - if people are charged $45us, will they = be interested if they are just driving their home state or province. B= ased on the feedback from my own local sector, it sounds like this would not= be a problem PROVIDED there is good value - and that value comes from the i= ntangible (camaraderie, etc.) as well as the tangible (goodie bag, events, e= tc.) Your other point br= ings back to my overly expressed opinion about getting ASC's in place. = ;We had coordinators on BOTH sides of you, but both had resigned without som= eone to take their place, and neither stepped up to the plate to find someon= e. This leaves the Tour hanging while we find another SC for these are= as, or re-route - while we should be getting on with more detailed planning.= But to more specifi= cally address your comments, upstream of you I have been corresponding with = the Wisconsin Jaguar club. They don't have an individual in place, but= hope to soon. On the other side o= f you, I sent out a note earlier this week (or was it a few weeks ago) about= routing from you south of Lake Erie to Toronto rather than north of Lake Er= ie as there did seem some interest down there. Really did not get much= feedback. I also asked the question was were you interested in taking= on a longer Sector - I thought you had sent a reply but cannot seem to find= it at the moment - could I trouble you to resend? I did have some cor= respondence this week from the Toronto area, but no-one has committed as of = yet (but it did sound very promising). Bob England '69 E-Type & '72= XJ6 Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) Route Coordinator http://www.jonat.org -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]= On Behalf Of Robert and Darlene Stevenson Sent: January 31, 2004 5:36 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! </BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3158423309_5511174_MIME_Part-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 18:29:03 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (F. Ronald Rader) Date: Sat Jan 31 18:29:03 2004 Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates In-Reply-To: <032001c3e797$cb6f8ff0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> References: <AIEKJFGJMEEHHMGNJOMKIEOJDDAA.engl@accesscomm.ca> <032001c3e797$cb6f8ff0$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040131172703.03ee88e8@webmail.interworld.net> --=====================_35220514==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed happy with the SoCal dates. ron Rader At 05:16 PM 1/30/2004, Jerry Mouton wrote: >Bob, > >Happy with the SF dates. Let me know if there are changes. > >Jerry > >Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" > Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - <http://jonat.org>http://jonat.org > April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca>Bob >To: <mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com>Richard Jones >Cc: <mailto:jonat@autox.team.net>JONAT MailList >Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:28 PM >Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates > >Richard, yes, you've got it in one. Are the dates firm? I have not heard >from all the SC's yet (hardly any in fact - you guys alive out there?). I >would say tentative but likely at this point. > > >Bob England >'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 >Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) >Route Coordinator ><http://www.jonat.org>http://www.jonat.org --=====================_35220514==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> <body> happy with the SoCal dates. ron Rader At 05:16 PM 1/30/2004, Jerry Mouton wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Bob, Happy with the SF dates. Let me know if there are changes. Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - <a href="http://jonat.org">http://jonat.org</a> April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 <dl> <dd>----- Original Message ----- <dd>From: <a href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</a> <dd>To: <a href="mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com">Richard Jones</a> <dd>Cc: <a href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">JONAT MailList</a> <dd>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:28 PM <dd>Subject: [JONAT] RE: Revised Dates <dd>Richard, yes, you've got it in one. Are the dates firm? I have not heard from all the SC's yet (hardly any in fact - you guys alive out there?). I would say tentative but likely at this point. <dd> <dd>Bob England <dd>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6 <dd>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT) <dd>Route Coordinator <dd><a href="http://www.jonat.org">http://www.jonat.org</a> </dl></blockquote></body> </html> --=====================_35220514==.ALT-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 19:14:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Dr Gregory Andrachuk) Date: Sat Jan 31 19:14:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? References: <AIEKJFGJMEEHHMGNJOMKMEBCDEAA.engl@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <010001c3e868$3df476a0$77214518@GREG> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pYWxxZkled2iQ3sPhpMdlQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT That sounds like a good alternative. But charging a sector fee discourages people from doing more than one sector. I am starting to think we should eliminate a sector fee altogether. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Dick The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own finances. I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. How does that sound as an alternative ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Bob, As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of sectors travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things stand financially. Dick. Minnesota SC. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other thoughts? We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your registration by e-mail it does not work yet. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected? Gregory --Boundary_(ID_pYWxxZkled2iQ3sPhpMdlQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>
That sounds like a good alternative. But charging a sector fee discourages people from doing more than one sector. I am starting to think we should eliminate a sector fee altogether.

 Gregory

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:38 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?

Dick

The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own finances.

I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. How does that sound as an alternative ...

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?

Bob,

As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of sectors travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things stand financially.

Dick.

Minnesota SC.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob

To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM

Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?

I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other thoughts?

We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your registration by e-mail it does not work yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected?

 Gregory

--Boundary_(ID_pYWxxZkled2iQ3sPhpMdlQ)-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 21:13:00 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Brad Preiss) Date: Sat Jan 31 21:13:00 2004 Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? In-Reply-To: <010001c3e868$3df476a0$77214518@GREG> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E84F.A5586540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Gregory here - let's keep it a simple flat fee if at all possible with one central place to send the money for entrance. We can work out how these fees can be disbursed to the SC's going forward Any monies "left over" can be issued to sectors where there are preceding participants going into their sector from a previous leg. ( for example a person originates in New York pays the entrance fee there but continues on through multiple sectors to Florida - monies could be spread out to cover any costs of this participant to the sectors in other areas). Seeing as each participant would only get a "goodie" bag at the starting point ( and not at each leg ) - I don' think there should be too much overhead for someone wanting to do multiple legs, other then the cost of an additional route map for each leg driven. This will encourage participation in my opinion. Brad -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:08 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? That sounds like a good alternative. But charging a sector fee discourages people from doing more than one sector. I am starting to think we should eliminate a sector fee altogether. Gregory ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Dick The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own finances. I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. How does that sound as an alternative ... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Bob, As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of sectors travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things stand financially. Dick. Minnesota SC. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: jonat@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any other thoughts? We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit your registration by e-mail it does not work yet. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be collected? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E84F.A5586540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with = Gregory here=20 - let's keep it a simple flat fee if at all possible with one central = place to=20 send the money for entrance.

We can work out how = these fees=20 can be disbursed to the SC's going forward

Any monies "left = over" can be=20 issued to sectors where there are preceding participants going into = their=20 sector from a previous leg. ( for example a person originates in New = York pays=20 the entrance fee there but continues on through multiple sectors to = Florida -=20 monies could be spread out to cover any costs of this participant to the = sectors=20 in other areas).

Seeing as each = participant=20 would only get a "goodie" bag at the starting point ( and not at each = leg ) - I=20 don' think there should be too much overhead for someone wanting to do = multiple=20 legs, other then the cost of an additional route map for each leg=20 driven.

This will encourage = participation in my opinion.

Brad

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On = Behalf Of=20 Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:08 = PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How = do we=20 collect fees ?

That sounds like a good alternative. But charging = a sector=20 fee discourages people from doing more than one sector. I am starting = to think=20 we should eliminate a sector fee altogether.

 = =20 = =20 Gregory

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 3:38=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do = we collect=20 fees ?

Dick

The idea is to = keep things=20 simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing = if for=20 JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect = theirs, so=20 one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers = (much=20 better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money = based on=20 requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the = Sectors=20 need to collect and manage their own finances.

I suppose if we = collect $65=20 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the = participants'=20 home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a = fixed amount=20 though to keep it simple. How does that sound as an = alternative=20 ...

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard=20 Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we = collect fees=20 ?

Bob,

As I look at this some more, the question = keeps popping=20 up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector = fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one = flat fee=20 for participation in the tour, which would be the same for = everyone,=20 regardless of the number of sectors=20 travelled? So what if people travelling multiple = sectors get=20 more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the = money=20 to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where = it could=20 be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for = approved=20 requests, the central committee would then simply disperse = the=20 reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things = stand=20 financially.

Dick.

Minnesota SC.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January = 31, 2004=20 12:58 PM

Subject: [JONAT] How do = we collect=20 fees ?

I've put = some thought=20 into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected = centrally,=20 and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to = this is=20 people will be sending their money all over the place, the = upside is it=20 keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central = and/or the=20 sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any = other=20 thoughts?

We will = probably also=20 need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the = US, and=20 one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started = to put=20 together some registration pages at h= ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if= =20 you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when = you=20 submit your registration by e-mail it does not work=20 yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On=20 Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, = 2004=20 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: = Re:=20 [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ=20 !

And, how exactly are these fees (both = general and=20 sector) to be collected?

 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E84F.A5586540-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 22:43:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Richard Jones) Date: Sat Jan 31 22:43:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? References: Message-ID: <01c501c3e886$0752e280$6501a8c0@rej866> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C2_01C3E853.BC5FCB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $65 sounds high to me, since I think many participants will jump on = the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a pleasant, = but relatively short, drive. A high fee would discourage these drivers' = participation. Is there any indication of how many folks plan on doing = more than a short regional leg or two? =20 Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems to me that a single = low general tour fee ($45 or less) might be adequate to cover all = organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), eliminating the need = for any sector fees. A set amount from the general fund could be = forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover regional printing expenses. = If there is a special sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to = implement, then I could see collecting a small participation fee from = just the people who want to attend that event at the time the event = takes place; those that choose not to attend the event wouldn't pay this = fee. =20 At this point in time, having no input on the number of participants, = it is difficult to schedule an event. More information is needed to = come up with a decent proposal. =20 Dick. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Dick The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer = effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, = and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less = manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the = participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the = Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect = and manage their own finances. I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send = the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be workable. = We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. How does = that sound as an alternative ... Bob=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Bob, As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping up....What = is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? Wouldn't it be = more manageable to have just one flat fee for participation in the tour, = which would be the same for everyone, regardless of the number of = sectors travelled? So what if people travelling multiple sectors get = more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the money to all be = funneled into one place (central committee) where it could be managed = basically by one person. If SC's need funds for approved requests, the = central committee would then simply disperse the reimbursements from = this pot and always know exactly where things stand financially. =20 Dick. Minnesota SC. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with = Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. = The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the = place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing = between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way = though ... any other thoughts? We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of = registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal = comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at = http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you = want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit = your registration by e-mail it does not work yet. Bob=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to be = collected? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_01C2_01C3E853.BC5FCB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

$65 sounds high to me, since I think many = participants will=20 jump on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a = pleasant,=20 but relatively short, drive. A high fee would discourage these = drivers'=20 participation. Is there any indication of = how many=20 folks plan on doing more than a short regional leg or two? =20

Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems = to me that=20 a single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might = be adequate to=20 cover all organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), = eliminating the=20 need for any sector fees. A set amount from the general fund = could be=20 forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover regional=20 printing expenses. If there is a special sector 'event' = scheduled=20 which required funds to implement, then I could see collecting a = small=20 participation fee from just the people who want to attend that = event at=20 the time the event takes place; those that choose not to attend the = event=20 wouldn't pay this fee.

At this point in time, having no input = on the=20 number of participants, it is difficult to schedule an = event. More=20 information is needed to come up with a decent proposal. =

Dick.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 5:38=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do = we collect=20 fees ?

Dick

The idea is to = keep things=20 simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The simplest thing = if for=20 JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to collect = theirs, so=20 one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us volunteers = (much=20 better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out money = based on=20 requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the = Sectors=20 need to collect and manage their own finances.

I suppose if we = collect $65=20 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the = participants'=20 home sector, this might be workable. We need to keep it a = fixed amount=20 though to keep it simple. How does that sound as an = alternative=20 ...

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: = jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20 [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard=20 Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
To:=20 jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we = collect fees=20 ?

Bob,

As I look at this some more, the question = keeps popping=20 up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector = fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one = flat fee=20 for participation in the tour, which would be the same for = everyone,=20 regardless of the number of sectors=20 travelled? So what if people travelling multiple = sectors get=20 more bang for their buck? This would enable all of the = money=20 to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where = it could=20 be managed basically by one person. If SC's need funds for = approved=20 requests, the central committee would then simply disperse = the=20 reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where things = stand=20 financially.

Dick.

Minnesota SC.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January = 31, 2004=20 12:58 PM

Subject: [JONAT] How do = we collect=20 fees ?

I've put = some thought=20 into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected = centrally,=20 and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to = this is=20 people will be sending their money all over the place, the = upside is it=20 keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between central = and/or the=20 sectors. This might not be the best way though ... any = other=20 thoughts?

We will = probably also=20 need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for the = US, and=20 one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have started = to put=20 together some registration pages at h= ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if= =20 you want to see how things are going on this ... note that when = you=20 submit your registration by e-mail it does not work=20 yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On=20 Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, = 2004=20 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: = Re:=20 [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ=20 !

And, how exactly are these fees (both = general and=20 sector) to be collected?

 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

------=_NextPart_000_01C2_01C3E853.BC5FCB30-- From jonat@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 23:24:01 2004 From: jonat@autox.team.net (Jerry Mouton) Date: Sat Jan 31 23:24:01 2004 Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? References: <01c501c3e886$0752e280$6501a8c0@rej866> Message-ID: <064101c3e88b$b42bbf90$6701a8c0@momsthinkpad> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_063E_01C3E848.A5CFE360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Consider that the expense for some days on the road -- meals, fuel,=20 room, drinks, entertainment -- will be many times $65.00. In some = places here in California, the cheap hotel will be more than $120. Our SF leg = is=20 6 nights, including $$an Lui$ Obispo, Monterey$$$, $$an Franci$co,=20 $$t Helena (Napa Valley). Bring plenty of dough! If a $65.00 fee scares some people off, they have not been thinking=20 about what the real costs will be. A single price for the tour will not cover the costs (if any) for = individual segments. SCs may be willing to absorb it, I guess, but it's a truly noble gesture... Any sector offering a pin will have to pay for=20 that somehow. The idea was that those participating in a sector will get a sector pin, not everyone get every pin. Of course we can=20 skip that feature. If you want to do it, though, every participant will pay for a pin on every sector they run, or the SCs will. I prefer not to sell pins on spec. Printing of handbooks will probably be a no-cost item. =20 User pays for events, meals, everything else. Of course, each SC can get a sponsor who will pay for sector costs --=20 but what advertising return do they get for their investment? Others = have ideas here? Jerry Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - http://jonat.org April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Jones=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? $65 sounds high to me, since I think many participants will jump on = the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a pleasant, = but relatively short, drive. A high fee would discourage these drivers' = participation. Is there any indication of how many folks plan on doing = more than a short regional leg or two? =20 Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems to me that a = single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might be adequate to cover all = organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), eliminating the need = for any sector fees. A set amount from the general fund could be = forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover regional printing expenses. = If there is a special sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to = implement, then I could see collecting a small participation fee from = just the people who want to attend that event at the time the event = takes place; those that choose not to attend the event wouldn't pay this = fee. =20 At this point in time, having no input on the number of = participants, it is difficult to schedule an event. More information is = needed to come up with a decent proposal. =20 Dick. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Dick The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer = effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, = and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less = manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the = participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the = Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect = and manage their own finances. I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and = send the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be = workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. = How does that sound as an alternative ... Bob=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? Bob, As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping = up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? = Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for = participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone, = regardless of the number of sectors travelled? So what if people = travelling multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This would = enable all of the money to all be funneled into one place (central = committee) where it could be managed basically by one person. If SC's = need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then = simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly = where things stand financially. =20 Dick. Minnesota SC. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob=20 To: jonat@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ? I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up with = Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. = The downside to this is people will be sending their money all over the = place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing = between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best way = though ... any other thoughts? We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of = registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal = comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at = http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you = want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit = your registration by e-mail it does not work yet. Bob=20 -----Original Message----- From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM To: jonat@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ ! And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to = be collected? Gregory ------=_NextPart_000_063E_01C3E848.A5CFE360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Consider that the expense for some days on the road = -- meals,=20 fuel,

room, drinks, entertainment -- will be many times=20 $65.00. In some places

here in California, the cheap hotel will be more = than=20 $120. Our SF leg is

6 nights, including $$an Lui$ Obispo, Monterey$$$, = $$an=20 Franci$co,

$$t Helena (Napa Valley). Bring plenty of=20 dough!

If a $65.00 fee scares some people off, they have = not been=20 thinking

about what the real costs will be.

A single price for the tour will not cover the costs = (if any)=20 for individual

segments. SCs may be willing to absorb it, I = guess, but=20 it's a

truly noble gesture... Any sector offering a = pin will=20 have to pay for

that somehow. The idea was that those = participating in a=20 sector

will get a sector pin, not everyone get every = pin. Of=20 course we can

skip that feature. If you want to do it, = though, every=20 participant

will pay for a pin on every sector they run, or the = SCs=20 will. I prefer

not to sell pins on spec.

Printing of handbooks will probably be a no-cost = item.

User pays for events, meals, everything = else.

Of course, each SC can get a sponsor who will pay = for sector=20 costs --

but what advertising return do they get for their=20 investment? Others have

ideas here?

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC = "Laissez=20 les bons temps rouler!"
 Jaguar Owner's = North=20 American Tour - http://jonat.org
 = ; =20 April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard = Jones=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 9:41=20 PM

Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we = collect=20 fees ?

$65 sounds high to me, since I think many = participants=20 will jump on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off = after a=20 pleasant, but relatively short, drive. A high fee would = discourage=20 these drivers' participation. Is there = any=20 indication of how many folks plan on doing more than a short = regional leg or=20 two?

Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It = seems to me=20 that a single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might = be adequate=20 to cover all organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), = eliminating=20 the need for any sector fees. A set amount from the general = fund could=20 be forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover regional=20 printing expenses. If there is a special sector 'event' = scheduled=20 which required funds to implement, then I could see collecting = a small=20 participation fee from just the people who want to attend that = event at=20 the time the event takes place; those that choose not to attend the = event=20 wouldn't pay this fee.

At this point in time, having no input = on the=20 number of participants, it is difficult to schedule an = event. =20 More information is needed to come up with a decent proposal. =20

Dick.

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January 31, = 2004 5:38=20 PM

Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do = we=20 collect fees ?

Dick

The idea is = to keep=20 things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The = simplest thing=20 if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors to = collect=20 theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable for us = volunteers=20 (much better, however, for the participants) if we had to dole out = money=20 based on requests from the Sectors. My own personal opinion = is that=20 the Sectors need to collect and manage their own=20 finances.

I suppose if = we collect=20 $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the=20 participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need = to keep=20 it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. = How does that sound as = an=20 alternative ...

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf=20 Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19=20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [JONAT] How=20 do we collect fees ?

Bob,

As I look at this some more, the question = keeps=20 popping up....What is the rationale for doing both central = and=20 sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have = just one=20 flat fee for participation in the tour, which would be the = same for=20 everyone, regardless of the number of sectors=20 travelled? So what if people travelling multiple = sectors get=20 more bang for their buck? This would enable all of = the money=20 to all be funneled into one place (central committee) where = it=20 could be managed basically by one person. If SC's need = funds for=20 approved requests, the central committee would then simply = disperse=20 the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly where = things=20 stand financially.

Dick.

Minnesota SC.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net =

Sent: Saturday, January = 31, 2004=20 12:58 PM

Subject: [JONAT] How do = we=20 collect fees ?

I've put = some thought=20 into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees collected = centrally,=20 and Sector fees collected by the Sector. The downside to = this is=20 people will be sending their money all over the place, the = upside is=20 it keeps it distributed, with no monies passing between = central and/or=20 the sectors. This might not be the best way though ... = any other=20 thoughts?

We will = probably also=20 need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, one for = the US,=20 and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal comments? I have = started=20 to put together some registration pages at h= ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if= =20 you want to see how things are going on this ... note that = when you=20 submit your registration by e-mail it does not work=20 yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 jonat-admin@autox.team.net = [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On=20 Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, = 2004=20 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: = Re:=20 [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ=20 !

And, how exactly are these fees (both = general and=20 sector) to be collected?

 =20 =20 =20 Gregory

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