[JONAT] Controversy 101

Hazel A. Beck jonat@autox.team.net
Mon Jan 12 22:26:01 2004


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Hi, everyone...San Diego checking in...

I agree with Gregory and others who want this tour kept Jaguar only...I =
am planning to involve my local dealer in some of our festivities...and =
also Jaguar North American Headquarters...my thought was that it was a =
Jaguar event, not the British Car Owners North American Tour...happy to =
have throngs of other car owners lining the route, cheering us on...but =
the Jags are the stars on this tour...

Hazel
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20
  To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101


  I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. =
Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a =
British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are =
welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people =
to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the =
pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis =
for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said =
that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It =
was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a =
salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars =
that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this =
at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a =
Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); =
but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is =
quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car =
owners? Bob, you can come out now.
                                                  Gregory   =20


  ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Bob=20
    To: JONAT MailList=20
    Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM
    Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101


    As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.

    Check out=20
    http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm

    I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few =
months ago, on both sides of the coin.  I'd like to revisit it and put =
it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official =
JONAT policy.  Note that this is on the website but has no links to it =
(and will have none until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. =
the only people with access are those on this list.

    Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ...
    Bob England
    '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
    Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
    Route Coordinator
    http://www.jonat.org


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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800080>I agree with Gregory =
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who want this tour kept Jaguar only...I am planning to involve my local =
dealer=20
in some of&nbsp;our festivities...and also Jaguar North American=20
Headquarters...my thought was that it was a Jaguar event, not the =
British Car=20
Owners North American Tour...happy to have throngs of other car owners =
lining=20
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tour...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800080>Hazel</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dv12-vdp@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr Gregory=20
  Andrachuk</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, 2004 =
8:31=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] =
Controversy=20
101</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suppose I will be the lone =
curmudgeon again,=20
  but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British =
car tour.=20
  If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car =
enthusiasts are=20
  welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar =
people to=20
  take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the =
pleasure of=20
  travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the&nbsp;basis for =
support=20
  from Jaguar-related&nbsp;organisations (and it should be said that =
there are=20
  frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR =
run=20
  that was envisioned.)&nbsp;Craig Talbot&nbsp;has mentioned a salient =
point:=20
  there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that =
participate if it=20
  is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A =
last=20
  minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one =
thing (an=20
  undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to =
other=20
  British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, =
why=20
  discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out=20
  now.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

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  Gregory&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
    href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">JONAT MailList</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, =
2004 3:05=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] Controversy =
101</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>As =
promised, I'm=20
    throwing out a bit of controversy today.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Check out=20
    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004><A =

    =
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm">htt=
p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm</A></SPAN></FON=
T></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>I =
know a few of=20
    you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on =
both=20
    sides of the coin.&nbsp; I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed =
after=20
    hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT =
policy.&nbsp;=20
    <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>Note =
that this is on=20
    the website but has no links to it (and will have none until&nbsp;a =
final=20
    decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access =
are those=20
    on this list.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Now I'm going to=20
    run away and hide until the flames blow over ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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    <P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
    England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type &amp; '72=20
    XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
    Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT=20
    face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
    size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
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