[JONAT] Controversy 101
Mark Stephenson
jonat@autox.team.net
Mon Jan 12 22:57:01 2004
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Bob,
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I'd be a bit less strident than my friend Gregory, but not much. As it
is the "Jaguar Owners" North American Tour I'd limit it to that. There
may be those among us who own Jaguars that are not roadworthy. I would
welcome them in another vehicle. I don't think non-Jaguar drivers are
going to trek long distances with us, but joining us for a sector or two
might inspire them to have their Jaguars ready for the next JONAT. Oh,
I'd add a stipulation, that the non-Jaguars lead or follow any caravan
of cats that might form, but avoid breaking up a procession if at all
possible. That would be even more incentive to get their kitties purring
for two years from now.
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So, as for allowing owners of other marques to participate, I say no.
Let them form their TONAT, MGONAT, MiniNAT, or even a BEANAT
(British-European Auto North American Tour).=20
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Mark - AZ
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:46 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101
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I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT
agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it
is a British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are
welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people
to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the
pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis
for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said
that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It
was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a
salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars
that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this
at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a
Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these);
but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is
quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car
owners? Bob, you can come out now.
Gregory =20
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From: Bob <mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca> =20
To: JONAT MailList <mailto:jonat@autox.team.net> =20
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101
As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy
today.
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Check out=20
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http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm
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I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings
about this a few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to
revisit it and put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can
make it an official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but
has no links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the
policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this
list.
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Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow
over ...
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
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[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory=20
Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, 2004 9:46 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] Controversy=20
101<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suppose I will be the lone =
curmudgeon again,=20
but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British =
car tour.=20
If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car =
enthusiasts are=20
welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar =
people to=20
take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the =
pleasure of=20
travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis for =
support=20
from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said that =
there are=20
frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It was a JAGUAR =
run=20
that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a salient =
point:=20
there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars that =
participate if it=20
is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A =
last=20
minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one =
thing (an=20
undoubtedly there will be some of these); but an open invitation to =
other=20
British car owners to participate is quite another thing. And then, =
why=20
discriminate against Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out=20
now.</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, =
2004 3:05=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] Controversy =
101</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>As =
promised, I'm=20
throwing out a bit of controversy today.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Check out=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004><A =
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href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm">htt=
p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm</A></SPAN></FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>I =
know a few of=20
you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months ago, on =
both=20
sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to bed =
after=20
hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official JONAT =
policy. =20
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D652190023-12012004>Note =
that this is on=20
the website but has no links to it (and will have none until a =
final=20
decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only people with access =
are those=20
on this list.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Now I'm going to=20
run away and hide until the flames blow over ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type & '72=20
XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
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