[JONAT] Controversy 101
Fazal Cader
jonat@autox.team.net
Thu Jan 15 03:12:01 2004
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I agree, I think we should stick to officially Jags only with any 'camp =
followers' to the rear of any and every cavalcade.
Fazal Cader
Executive Committee, ISC - Australia
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour - www.jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004
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From: Phil Wert=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101
Bob:
I am afraid that I have to agree with the "Doc"--either it is a Jaguar =
tour or a British Car Tour. The very name of it says it is a Jaguar =
Tour.
Phil Wert
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From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 101
I suppose I will be the lone curmudgeon again, but I do NOT agree. =
Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British car tour. If it is a =
British car tour, then of course all British car enthusiasts are =
welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus for us Jaguar people =
to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes much of the =
pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of the basis =
for support from Jaguar-related organisations (and it should be said =
that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs and organisations. It =
was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig Talbot has mentioned a =
salient point: there is no way of limiting the number of Marque X cars =
that participate if it is phrased this way. I see no rationale for this =
at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use of another vehicle by a =
Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there will be some of these); =
but an open invitation to other British car owners to participate is =
quite another thing. And then, why discriminate against Italian car =
owners? Bob, you can come out now.
Gregory =20
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From: Bob=20
To: JONAT MailList=20
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 101
As promised, I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.
Check out=20
http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm
I know a few of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a =
few months ago, on both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and =
put it to bed after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an =
official JONAT policy. Note that this is on the website but has no =
links to it (and will have none until a final decision on the policy is =
made) - i.e. the only people with access are those on this list.
Now I'm going to run away and hide until the flames blow over ...
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am afraid that I have to agree with =
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"Doc"--either it is a Jaguar tour or a British Car Tour. The =
very name=20
of it says it is a Jaguar Tour.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Phil Wert</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dv12-vdp@shaw.ca href=3D"mailto:v12-vdp@shaw.ca">Dr =
Gregory=20
Andrachuk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, =
2004 11:31=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] =
Controversy=20
101</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suppose I will be the lone =
curmudgeon again,=20
but I do NOT agree. Either this is a Jaguar tour, or it is a British =
car=20
tour. If it is a British car tour, then of course all British car=20
enthusiasts are welcome, but this then removes much of the impetus =
for us=20
Jaguar people to take on the burden of organisation; it also removes =
much of=20
the pleasure of travelling with soul-mates; and it removes much of=20
the basis for support from Jaguar-related organisations =
(and it=20
should be said that there are frequent runs by other marque clubs =
and=20
organisations. It was a JAGUAR run that was envisioned.) Craig=20
Talbot has mentioned a salient point: there is no way of =
limiting the=20
number of Marque X cars that participate if it is phrased this way. =
I see no=20
rationale for this at all. I vote NAY. A last minute, emergency use =
of=20
another vehicle by a Jaguar owner is one thing (an undoubtedly there =
will be=20
some of these); but an open invitation to other British car owners =
to=20
participate is quite another thing. And then, why discriminate =
against=20
Italian car owners? Bob, you can come out now.</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory </FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">JONAT MailList</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 12, =
2004 3:05=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] =
Controversy=20
101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>As promised,=20
I'm throwing out a bit of controversy today.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Check out=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004><A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm">htt=
p://jonat.org/bob/JONAT_information_whocanparticipate.htm</A></SPAN></FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>I know a few=20
of you had some pretty strong feelings about this a few months =
ago, on=20
both sides of the coin. I'd like to revisit it and put it to =
bed=20
after hearing everyone's input, so we can make it an official =
JONAT=20
policy. <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Note=20
that this is on the website but has no links to it (and will have =
none=20
until a final decision on the policy is made) - i.e. the only =
people=20
with access are those on this =
list.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D652190023-12012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D652190023-12012004>Now I'm going=20
to run away and hide until the flames blow over =
...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type &=20
'72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
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