From brett at nicho.id.au  Sun Sep  1 23:35:41 2019
From: brett at nicho.id.au (Brett Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 15:35:41 +1000
Subject: [Mini] Rocky Frisco's Luggage has been taken
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Hi,

Is Rocky's estate still not finalized?

(I can't believe that the Tulsa authorities can legally remove a car from
private property!  That's ridiculous!)

Regards,
Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
Greendale, Victoria, Australia.


On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:37 AM John Lieberman <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
wrote:

> If it was seized by the City for being an "inoperable vehicle," or some
> other drummed up charge, it was probably taken to an impound or storage
> yard -- maybe one shared with the County.  Here in Shreveport, if your
> vehicle is impounded by the City, you have a certain amount of time in
> which you can re-claim it by paying the towing charge and a daily storage
> fee.  If it's not re-claimed by the owner within that specified time frame
> it's either sold at auction or scrapped.
>
> Since we don't know who currently "owns" the Luggage, if anybody, that
> could pose a very difficult situation to resolve.
>
> John
>
>
> On 8/31/2019 11:32 AM, Dr John C Bullas wrote:
>
> Tulsa City took it away from someone's yard where it had been stored
>
> Watch out for it.
>
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From jlieberman37 at comcast.net  Mon Sep  2 18:32:45 2019
From: jlieberman37 at comcast.net (John Lieberman)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 19:32:45 -0500
Subject: [Mini] Rocky Frisco's Luggage has been taken
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I would hope, Brett, that his estate was settled a long time ago.

I don't know what the local ordinances are today in Tulsa, since I only 
lived there in the mid 70s, but I do know that we have a local ordinance 
here in Shreveport that allows Code Enforcement to have any vehicle 
towed if it poses what they consider to be an eyesore to the 
neighborhood.? Several years ago, they green-tagged a rust bucket Mini 
that I had bought for parts and told me that I had one week to either 
bring it up to operable condition or move it someplace where it was out 
of sight.? Otherwise, they would tow it away and bill me for the towing 
charge.? So I sold it to a college kid in Alabama who was looking for a 
project car.? I kept all of the usable parts and pieces that came with 
it and just sold him the shell, so I didn't really lose any money on the 
deal.

John


On 9/2/2019 12:35 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is Rocky's estate still not finalized?
>
> (I can't believe that the Tulsa authorities can legally remove a car 
> from private property!? That's ridiculous!)
>
> Regards,
> Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
> Greendale, Victoria, Australia.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:37 AM John Lieberman 
> <jlieberman37 at comcast.net <mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     If it was seized by the City for being an "inoperable vehicle," or
>     some other drummed up charge, it was probably taken to an impound
>     or storage yard -- maybe one shared with the County.? Here in
>     Shreveport, if your vehicle is impounded by the City, you have a
>     certain amount of time in which you can re-claim it by paying the
>     towing charge and a daily storage fee.? If it's not re-claimed by
>     the owner within that specified time frame it's either sold at
>     auction or scrapped.
>
>     Since we don't know who currently "owns" the Luggage, if anybody,
>     that could pose a very difficult situation to resolve.
>
>     John
>
>
>     On 8/31/2019 11:32 AM, Dr John C Bullas wrote:
>>     Tulsa City took it away from someone's yard where it had been stored
>>
>>     Watch out for it.
>>
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From jlieberman37 at comcast.net  Sun Sep 15 19:22:03 2019
From: jlieberman37 at comcast.net (John Lieberman)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 20:22:03 -0500
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
Message-ID: <fd80388a-a631-baba-1919-04e4acac9151@comcast.net>

I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...

The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year 
has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.? One of them has a slow leak and 
another has a split around part of the sidewall.? So I'm looking into 
new tires all the way around.? I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US 
for less than $50 per tire.? But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko 
A539s.? However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the 
pond and pay considerably more.

If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose 
for a street-driven car and why?!?

JL



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From T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl  Mon Sep 16 04:43:07 2019
From: T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl (T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:43:07 +0000
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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Hi all,

I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
That came originally with 145/70 12's;  table beneath here also shows there's less difference to the original in that choice .. apart from that I think 165/60 is better available here in the Netherlands ;-)

FWIW,
Theo van den Bogaard


https://tiresize.com/calculator/
165/60 vs 70
19.8 vs 21.1 dia
3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
62.2 vs 66.2 circum
1019 vs 957 revs/mile

165/60
145/70
19.8 vs 20 dia
3.9 vs 4 sidewall
62.2 vs 62.8 circum
1019 vs 1009 revs/mile




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Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes

I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...

The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.  One of them has a slow leak and
another has a split around part of the sidewall.  So I'm looking into
new tires all the way around.  I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US
for less than $50 per tire.  But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko
A539s.  However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the
pond and pay considerably more.

If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
for a street-driven car and why?!?

JL



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From brett at nicho.id.au  Mon Sep 16 19:11:43 2019
From: brett at nicho.id.au (Brett Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:11:43 +1000
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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Hi John,

That's strange!  Are you sure of that size?  If they have a radical deep
dish offset it may help.  Perhaps someone has ground back the bracket as
well.  If that size is on there now, no reason not to use it again!

My trailer has 155/70R12 tyres on alloys and the tyres won't fit the back
of our standard Mk1 Austin.

Aussie Mokes from late 1968 to 1982 have longer rear trailing arms to allow
13 inch wheels and 175R13 tyres to be fitted.  When bolted up to a Mini it
pushes the wheel centre back three or four inches, so it would be very
obvious if they have been fitted to your Mini!

Cheers,
Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
Greendale, Victoria, Australia.


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM John Lieberman <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
wrote:

> That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right now and
> they don't foul in any way.  Maybe it's because of the offset of the wheels
> that they're mounted on.  I don't know what kind of wheels they are because
> they have a Union Jack decal covering the center cap, but they look a lot
> like Minilites.
>
> I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it and take
> a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the suspension.  I'm at
> least the 12th owner since this car was new in '81, according to the
> paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's no telling what all has been
> done to it by previous owners.
>
> JL
>
>
> On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> 165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.
>
> All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12,
> 165/60R12 or 165/55R12.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett.
>
> On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard, <
> T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
>> That came originally with 145/70 12's;  table beneath here also shows
>> there's less difference to the original in that choice .. apart from that I
>> think 165/60 is better available here in the Netherlands ;-)
>>
>> FWIW,
>> Theo van den Bogaard
>>
>>
>> https://tiresize.com/calculator/
>> 165/60 vs 70
>> 19.8 vs 21.1 dia
>> 3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
>> 62.2 vs 66.2 circum
>> 1019 vs 957 revs/mile
>>
>> 165/60
>> 145/70
>> 19.8 vs 20 dia
>> 3.9 vs 4 sidewall
>> 62.2 vs 62.8 circum
>> 1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
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>> Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
>> To: minilist at yahoogroups.com; mini-list at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
>>
>> I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...
>>
>> The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
>> has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.  One of them has a slow leak and
>> another has a split around part of the sidewall.  So I'm looking into
>> new tires all the way around.  I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US
>> for less than $50 per tire.  But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko
>> A539s.  However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the
>> pond and pay considerably more.
>>
>> If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
>> for a street-driven car and why?!?
>>
>> JL
>>
>>
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From jlieberman37 at comcast.net  Mon Sep 16 19:36:41 2019
From: jlieberman37 at comcast.net (John Lieberman)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:36:41 -0500
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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I'm positive about the tire size, Brett.? That's why I believe it must 
be the offset of the wheels that keeps the tires from fouling. And, 
that's why I want to get it up on a lift so I can take a closer look at 
what was done to it before I got the car.

The 165/70s are pretty easy to come by here in the US, but any other 
size I will have to import.? And that really drives up the cost. Still, 
I'd really like to have 165/60s!!!

JL


On 9/16/2019 8:11 PM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> That's strange!? Are you sure of that size?? If they have a radical 
> deep dish offset it may help.? Perhaps someone has ground back the 
> bracket as well.? If that size is on there now, no reason not to use 
> it again!
>
> My trailer has 155/70R12 tyres on alloys and the tyres won't fit the 
> back of our standard Mk1 Austin.
>
> Aussie Mokes from late 1968 to 1982 have longer rear trailing arms to 
> allow 13 inch wheels and 175R13 tyres to be fitted.? When bolted up to 
> a Mini it pushes the wheel centre back three or four inches, so it 
> would be very obvious if they have been fitted to your Mini!
>
> Cheers,
> Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
> Greendale, Victoria, Australia.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM John Lieberman 
> <jlieberman37 at comcast.net <mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right
>     now and they don't foul in any way.? Maybe it's because of the
>     offset of the wheels that they're mounted on.? I don't know what
>     kind of wheels they are because they have a Union Jack decal
>     covering the center cap, but they look a lot like Minilites.
>
>     I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it
>     and take a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the
>     suspension.? I'm at least the 12th owner since this car was new in
>     '81, according to the paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's
>     no telling what all has been done to it by previous owners.
>
>     JL
>
>
>     On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.
>>
>>     All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12,
>>     165/60R12 or 165/55R12.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>     Brett.
>>
>>     On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard,
>>     <T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl <mailto:T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi all,
>>
>>         I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
>>         That came originally with 145/70 12's;? table beneath here
>>         also shows there's less difference to the original in that
>>         choice .. apart from that I think 165/60 is better available
>>         here in the Netherlands ;-)
>>
>>         FWIW,
>>         Theo van den Bogaard
>>
>>
>>         https://tiresize.com/calculator/
>>         165/60 vs 70
>>         19.8 vs 21.1 dia
>>         3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
>>         62.2 vs 66.2 circum
>>         1019 vs 957 revs/mile
>>
>>         165/60
>>         145/70
>>         19.8 vs 20 dia
>>         3.9 vs 4 sidewall
>>         62.2 vs 62.8 circum
>>         1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         ________________________________________
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>>         <mailto:mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net>] on behalf of John
>>         Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net
>>         <mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net>]
>>         Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
>>         To: minilist at yahoogroups.com
>>         <mailto:minilist at yahoogroups.com>; mini-list at autox.team.net
>>         <mailto:mini-list at autox.team.net>
>>         Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
>>
>>         I think I know the answer to this question before I ask
>>         it...but...
>>
>>         The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier
>>         this year
>>         has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.? One of them has a
>>         slow leak and
>>         another has a split around part of the sidewall.? So I'm
>>         looking into
>>         new tires all the way around.? I can get 165/70 Nankangs here
>>         in the US
>>         for less than $50 per tire.? But I'd really like to go with
>>         165/60 Yoko
>>         A539s.? However, to do that, I would have to import them from
>>         across the
>>         pond and pay considerably more.
>>
>>         If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would
>>         you choose
>>         for a street-driven car and why?!?
>>
>>         JL
>>
>>
>>
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From brett at nicho.id.au  Mon Sep 16 20:21:28 2019
From: brett at nicho.id.au (Brett Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 12:21:28 +1000
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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Hi John,

I'd be very interested to see what was done also!

Several years ago a mate and I built up a seriously rusty Mini Van for
outback charity rallies on the cheap.   We were investigating how we could
get big 12 inch tyres on it for more clearance.  In the end it was all too
hard.  We ran 145R10 light truck tyres with hi-lo's wound up as far as we
dared, a Moke sump guard and a custom made petrol tank guard.   By the time
we loaded up the spares, tools and clothes for two weeks on the road, the
sump guard was about 4 inches off the ground anyway!!

The van did five or six events with us before our wives ran out of patience
with us and we sold it.

Cheers,
Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
Greendale, Victoria, Australia.


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM John Lieberman <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
wrote:

> I'm positive about the tire size, Brett.  That's why I believe it must be
> the offset of the wheels that keeps the tires from fouling.  And, that's
> why I want to get it up on a lift so I can take a closer look at what was
> done to it before I got the car.
>
> The 165/70s are pretty easy to come by here in the US, but any other size
> I will have to import.  And that really drives up the cost.  Still, I'd
> really like to have 165/60s!!!
>
> JL
>
>
> On 9/16/2019 8:11 PM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> That's strange!  Are you sure of that size?  If they have a radical deep
> dish offset it may help.  Perhaps someone has ground back the bracket as
> well.  If that size is on there now, no reason not to use it again!
>
> My trailer has 155/70R12 tyres on alloys and the tyres won't fit the back
> of our standard Mk1 Austin.
>
> Aussie Mokes from late 1968 to 1982 have longer rear trailing arms to
> allow 13 inch wheels and 175R13 tyres to be fitted.  When bolted up to a
> Mini it pushes the wheel centre back three or four inches, so it would be
> very obvious if they have been fitted to your Mini!
>
> Cheers,
> Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
> Greendale, Victoria, Australia.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM John Lieberman <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right now
>> and they don't foul in any way.  Maybe it's because of the offset of the
>> wheels that they're mounted on.  I don't know what kind of wheels they are
>> because they have a Union Jack decal covering the center cap, but they look
>> a lot like Minilites.
>>
>> I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it and take
>> a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the suspension.  I'm at
>> least the 12th owner since this car was new in '81, according to the
>> paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's no telling what all has been
>> done to it by previous owners.
>>
>> JL
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.
>>
>> All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12,
>> 165/60R12 or 165/55R12.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Brett.
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard, <
>> T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
>>> That came originally with 145/70 12's;  table beneath here also shows
>>> there's less difference to the original in that choice .. apart from that I
>>> think 165/60 is better available here in the Netherlands ;-)
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>> Theo van den Bogaard
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tiresize.com/calculator/
>>> 165/60 vs 70
>>> 19.8 vs 21.1 dia
>>> 3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
>>> 62.2 vs 66.2 circum
>>> 1019 vs 957 revs/mile
>>>
>>> 165/60
>>> 145/70
>>> 19.8 vs 20 dia
>>> 3.9 vs 4 sidewall
>>> 62.2 vs 62.8 circum
>>> 1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Mini-list [mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of John
>>> Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
>>> To: minilist at yahoogroups.com; mini-list at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
>>>
>>> I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...
>>>
>>> The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
>>> has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.  One of them has a slow leak and
>>> another has a split around part of the sidewall.  So I'm looking into
>>> new tires all the way around.  I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US
>>> for less than $50 per tire.  But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko
>>> A539s.  However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the
>>> pond and pay considerably more.
>>>
>>> If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
>>> for a street-driven car and why?!?
>>>
>>> JL
>>>
>>>
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From brett at nicho.id.au  Mon Sep 16 05:56:01 2019
From: brett at nicho.id.au (Brett Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:56:01 +1000
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
In-Reply-To: <D8B412B73C04E44A8F245AB27CA086F88D964F9D@EXMBX101.campus.uvt.nl>
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Hi,

165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.

All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12, 165/60R12
or 165/55R12.

Cheers,
Brett.

On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard, <
T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
> That came originally with 145/70 12's;  table beneath here also shows
> there's less difference to the original in that choice .. apart from that I
> think 165/60 is better available here in the Netherlands ;-)
>
> FWIW,
> Theo van den Bogaard
>
>
> https://tiresize.com/calculator/
> 165/60 vs 70
> 19.8 vs 21.1 dia
> 3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
> 62.2 vs 66.2 circum
> 1019 vs 957 revs/mile
>
> 165/60
> 145/70
> 19.8 vs 20 dia
> 3.9 vs 4 sidewall
> 62.2 vs 62.8 circum
> 1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Mini-list [mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of John
> Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
> To: minilist at yahoogroups.com; mini-list at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
>
> I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...
>
> The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
> has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.  One of them has a slow leak and
> another has a split around part of the sidewall.  So I'm looking into
> new tires all the way around.  I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US
> for less than $50 per tire.  But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko
> A539s.  However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the
> pond and pay considerably more.
>
> If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
> for a street-driven car and why?!?
>
> JL
>
>
>
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From jlieberman37 at comcast.net  Mon Sep 16 19:00:06 2019
From: jlieberman37 at comcast.net (John Lieberman)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:00:06 -0500
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right now 
and they don't foul in any way.? Maybe it's because of the offset of the 
wheels that they're mounted on.? I don't know what kind of wheels they 
are because they have a Union Jack decal covering the center cap, but 
they look a lot like Minilites.

I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it and 
take a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the suspension.? 
I'm at least the 12th owner since this car was new in '81, according to 
the paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's no telling what all has 
been done to it by previous owners.

JL


On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.
>
> All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12, 
> 165/60R12 or 165/55R12.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett.
>
> On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard, 
> <T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl <mailto:T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
>     That came originally with 145/70 12's;? table beneath here also
>     shows there's less difference to the original in that choice ..
>     apart from that I think 165/60 is better available here in the
>     Netherlands ;-)
>
>     FWIW,
>     Theo van den Bogaard
>
>
>     https://tiresize.com/calculator/
>     165/60 vs 70
>     19.8 vs 21.1 dia
>     3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
>     62.2 vs 66.2 circum
>     1019 vs 957 revs/mile
>
>     165/60
>     145/70
>     19.8 vs 20 dia
>     3.9 vs 4 sidewall
>     62.2 vs 62.8 circum
>     1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
>
>
>
>
>     ________________________________________
>     From: Mini-list [mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net>] on behalf of John
>     Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net <mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net>]
>     Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
>     To: minilist at yahoogroups.com <mailto:minilist at yahoogroups.com>;
>     mini-list at autox.team.net <mailto:mini-list at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
>
>     I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...
>
>     The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
>     has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.? One of them has a slow
>     leak and
>     another has a split around part of the sidewall.? So I'm looking into
>     new tires all the way around.? I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in
>     the US
>     for less than $50 per tire.? But I'd really like to go with 165/60
>     Yoko
>     A539s.? However, to do that, I would have to import them from
>     across the
>     pond and pay considerably more.
>
>     If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
>     for a street-driven car and why?!?
>
>     JL
>
>
>
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From tkmvs at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 18 03:48:38 2019
From: tkmvs at hotmail.com (T VS)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 09:48:38 +0000
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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Excuse jumping in with out knowing all the details but later cars had drums with built-in spacers. Could this be the reason?

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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 2:00:06 AM
To: Brett Nicholson <brett at nicho.id.au>; T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard <T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl>
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Subject: Re: [Mini] Tire sizes

That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right now and they don't foul in any way.  Maybe it's because of the offset of the wheels that they're mounted on.  I don't know what kind of wheels they are because they have a Union Jack decal covering the center cap, but they look a lot like Minilites.

I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it and take a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the suspension.  I'm at least the 12th owner since this car was new in '81, according to the paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's no telling what all has been done to it by previous owners.

JL


On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
Hi,

165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.

All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12, 165/60R12 or 165/55R12.

Cheers,
Brett.

On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard, <T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl<mailto:T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl>> wrote:
Hi all,

I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
That came originally with 145/70 12's;  table beneath here also shows there's less difference to the original in that choice .. apart from that I think 165/60 is better available here in the Netherlands ;-)

FWIW,
Theo van den Bogaard


https://tiresize.com/calculator/
165/60 vs 70
19.8 vs 21.1 dia
3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
62.2 vs 66.2 circum
1019 vs 957 revs/mile

165/60
145/70
19.8 vs 20 dia
3.9 vs 4 sidewall
62.2 vs 62.8 circum
1019 vs 1009 revs/mile




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Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes

I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...

The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.  One of them has a slow leak and
another has a split around part of the sidewall.  So I'm looking into
new tires all the way around.  I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US
for less than $50 per tire.  But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko
A539s.  However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the
pond and pay considerably more.

If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
for a street-driven car and why?!?

JL



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From belvenfish at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep 21 08:40:30 2019
From: belvenfish at yahoo.co.uk (G von Hoegen)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:40:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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Not only the later ones. That also goes for Cooper "S" and Clubman GTIt was readopted as standard equipment with all 12" wheels



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    On Saturday, 21 September 2019, 16:30:26 CEST, T VS <tkmvs at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Excuse jumping in with out knowing all the details but later cars had drums with built-in spacers. Could this be the reason?

  
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From jlieberman37 at comcast.net  Sat Sep 28 15:30:05 2019
From: jlieberman37 at comcast.net (John Lieberman)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:30:05 -0500
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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When I make a mistake, I'm not afraid to admit it.? And, when I started 
this thread, I made a HUGE one.? So I'm admitting that now and 
apologizing for any confusion I may have caused.

I said that my car had 165/70R12 tires on it.? That's what I had written 
down in my little notebook of things that I need to do or want to do to 
the little car.? But I hadn't really taken a close look at the car in 
about a month because it's been too blasted hot -- at least a dozen days 
this month where the temperature has been at or above 100F.

Now that fall is here, temperatures have dropped a little bit.? So, this 
morning, I retrieved Li'l Red from the self-storage facility where I 
keep her and took her out for a spin to shake loose the cobwebs.? Then I 
brought her home to do some odds and ends that I'd been puting off.? 
First thing I did was take a close look at the tires and, wouldn't you 
know it, they're 165/60s -- not 165/70s.

So, again, I apologize for the confusion and I thank all of you for your 
input.? It did make for some very interesting discussion!!!

John


On 9/16/2019 8:11 PM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> That's strange!? Are you sure of that size?? If they have a radical 
> deep dish offset it may help.? Perhaps someone has ground back the 
> bracket as well.? If that size is on there now, no reason not to use 
> it again!
>
> My trailer has 155/70R12 tyres on alloys and the tyres won't fit the 
> back of our standard Mk1 Austin.
>
> Aussie Mokes from late 1968 to 1982 have longer rear trailing arms to 
> allow 13 inch wheels and 175R13 tyres to be fitted.? When bolted up to 
> a Mini it pushes the wheel centre back three or four inches, so it 
> would be very obvious if they have been fitted to your Mini!
>
> Cheers,
> Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
> Greendale, Victoria, Australia.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM John Lieberman 
> <jlieberman37 at comcast.net <mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right
>     now and they don't foul in any way.? Maybe it's because of the
>     offset of the wheels that they're mounted on.? I don't know what
>     kind of wheels they are because they have a Union Jack decal
>     covering the center cap, but they look a lot like Minilites.
>
>     I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it
>     and take a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the
>     suspension.? I'm at least the 12th owner since this car was new in
>     '81, according to the paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's
>     no telling what all has been done to it by previous owners.
>
>     JL
>
>
>     On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.
>>
>>     All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12,
>>     165/60R12 or 165/55R12.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>     Brett.
>>
>>     On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard,
>>     <T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl <mailto:T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi all,
>>
>>         I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
>>         That came originally with 145/70 12's;? table beneath here
>>         also shows there's less difference to the original in that
>>         choice .. apart from that I think 165/60 is better available
>>         here in the Netherlands ;-)
>>
>>         FWIW,
>>         Theo van den Bogaard
>>
>>
>>         https://tiresize.com/calculator/
>>         165/60 vs 70
>>         19.8 vs 21.1 dia
>>         3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
>>         62.2 vs 66.2 circum
>>         1019 vs 957 revs/mile
>>
>>         165/60
>>         145/70
>>         19.8 vs 20 dia
>>         3.9 vs 4 sidewall
>>         62.2 vs 62.8 circum
>>         1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         ________________________________________
>>         From: Mini-list [mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net
>>         <mailto:mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net>] on behalf of John
>>         Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net
>>         <mailto:jlieberman37 at comcast.net>]
>>         Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
>>         To: minilist at yahoogroups.com
>>         <mailto:minilist at yahoogroups.com>; mini-list at autox.team.net
>>         <mailto:mini-list at autox.team.net>
>>         Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
>>
>>         I think I know the answer to this question before I ask
>>         it...but...
>>
>>         The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier
>>         this year
>>         has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.? One of them has a
>>         slow leak and
>>         another has a split around part of the sidewall.? So I'm
>>         looking into
>>         new tires all the way around.? I can get 165/70 Nankangs here
>>         in the US
>>         for less than $50 per tire.? But I'd really like to go with
>>         165/60 Yoko
>>         A539s.? However, to do that, I would have to import them from
>>         across the
>>         pond and pay considerably more.
>>
>>         If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would
>>         you choose
>>         for a street-driven car and why?!?
>>
>>         JL
>>
>>
>>
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From belvenfish at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep 28 16:40:06 2019
From: belvenfish at yahoo.co.uk (G von Hoegen)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:40:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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No bother John, happens to the best of us ;-)

And if anything, it showed the list is still alive and kicking, if it wants :-)
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    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 23:30:50 CEST, John Lieberman <jlieberman37 at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
   When I make a mistake, I'm not afraid to admit it.? And, when I started this thread, I made a HUGE one.? So I'm admitting that now and apologizing for any confusion I may have caused.
 
 I said that my car had 165/70R12 tires on it.? That's what I had written down in my little notebook of things that I need to do or want to do to the little car.? But I hadn't really taken a close look at the car in about a month because it's been too blasted hot -- at least a dozen days this month where the temperature has been  at or above 100F.
 
 Now that fall is here, temperatures have dropped a little bit.? So, this morning, I retrieved Li'l Red from the self-storage facility where I keep her and took her out for a spin to shake loose the cobwebs.? Then I brought her home to do some odds and ends that I'd been puting off.? First thing I did was take a close look at the tires and, wouldn't you know it, they're 165/60s -- not 165/70s.
 
 So, again, I apologize for the confusion and I thank all of you for your input.? It did make for some very interesting discussion!!!
 
 John
 ?? ?? 
 
 On 9/16/2019 8:11 PM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
  
 Hi John, 
  That's strange!? Are you sure of that size?? If they have a radical deep dish offset it may help.? Perhaps someone has ground back the bracket as well.? If that size is on there now, no reason not to use it again! 
  My trailer has 155/70R12 tyres on alloys and the tyres won't fit the back of our standard Mk1 Austin.? 
  Aussie Mokes from late 1968 to 1982 have longer rear trailing arms to allow 13 inch wheels and 175R13 tyres to be fitted.? When bolted up to a Mini it pushes the wheel centre back three or four inches, so it would be very obvious if they have been fitted to your Mini!?
  
  Cheers,       Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
 Greendale, Victoria, Australia.
       
   
  On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM John Lieberman <jlieberman37 at comcast.net> wrote:
  
  That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right now and they don't foul in any way.? Maybe it's because of the offset of the wheels that they're mounted on.? I don't know what kind of wheels they are because they have a Union Jack decal covering the center cap, but they look a lot like Minilites.
 
 I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it and take a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the suspension.? I'm at least the 12th owner since this car was new in '81, according to the paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's no telling what all has  been done to it by previous owners. 
 
 JL
 
 
 On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
  
 Hi, 
  165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.?? 
  All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12, 165/60R12 or 165/55R12.?? 
  Cheers, Brett.  
  On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard, <T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl> wrote:
  
Hi all,
 
 I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
 That came originally with 145/70 12's;? table beneath here also shows there's less difference to the original in that choice .. apart from that I think 165/60 is better available here in the Netherlands ;-)
 
 FWIW,
 Theo van den Bogaard
 
 
 https://tiresize.com/calculator/
 165/60 vs 70
 19.8 vs 21.1 dia
 3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
 62.2 vs 66.2 circum
 1019 vs 957 revs/mile
 
 165/60
 145/70
 19.8 vs 20 dia
 3.9 vs 4 sidewall
 62.2 vs 62.8 circum
 1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
 
 
 
 
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 From: Mini-list [mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of John Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net]
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
 To: minilist at yahoogroups.com; mini-list at autox.team.net
 Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
 
 I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...
 
 The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
 has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.? One of them has a slow leak and
 another has a split around part of the sidewall.? So I'm looking into
 new tires all the way around.? I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US
 for less than $50 per tire.? But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko
 A539s.? However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the
 pond and pay considerably more.
 
 If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
 for a street-driven car and why?!?
 
 JL
 
 
 
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From brett at nicho.id.au  Sun Sep 29 02:25:49 2019
From: brett at nicho.id.au (Brett Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:25:49 +1000
Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
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No stress John.  We all suffer from soggy memory from time to time.  :)


On Sun, 29 Sep. 2019, 7:30 am John Lieberman, <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
wrote:

> When I make a mistake, I'm not afraid to admit it.  And, when I started
> this thread, I made a HUGE one.  So I'm admitting that now and apologizing
> for any confusion I may have caused.
>
> I said that my car had 165/70R12 tires on it.  That's what I had written
> down in my little notebook of things that I need to do or want to do to the
> little car.  But I hadn't really taken a close look at the car in about a
> month because it's been too blasted hot -- at least a dozen days this month
> where the temperature has been at or above 100F.
>
> Now that fall is here, temperatures have dropped a little bit.  So, this
> morning, I retrieved Li'l Red from the self-storage facility where I keep
> her and took her out for a spin to shake loose the cobwebs.  Then I brought
> her home to do some odds and ends that I'd been puting off.  First thing I
> did was take a close look at the tires and, wouldn't you know it, they're
> 165/60s -- not 165/70s.
>
> So, again, I apologize for the confusion and I thank all of you for your
> input.  It did make for some very interesting discussion!!!
>
> John
>
>
> On 9/16/2019 8:11 PM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> That's strange!  Are you sure of that size?  If they have a radical deep
> dish offset it may help.  Perhaps someone has ground back the bracket as
> well.  If that size is on there now, no reason not to use it again!
>
> My trailer has 155/70R12 tyres on alloys and the tyres won't fit the back
> of our standard Mk1 Austin.
>
> Aussie Mokes from late 1968 to 1982 have longer rear trailing arms to
> allow 13 inch wheels and 175R13 tyres to be fitted.  When bolted up to a
> Mini it pushes the wheel centre back three or four inches, so it would be
> very obvious if they have been fitted to your Mini!
>
> Cheers,
> Brett Nicholson (bnicho)
> Greendale, Victoria, Australia.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM John Lieberman <jlieberman37 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> That's strange, Brett, because this car has 165/70R12s on it right now
>> and they don't foul in any way.  Maybe it's because of the offset of the
>> wheels that they're mounted on.  I don't know what kind of wheels they are
>> because they have a Union Jack decal covering the center cap, but they look
>> a lot like Minilites.
>>
>> I need to get this thing up on a lift so I can get underneath it and take
>> a closer look at what has and hasn't been done to the suspension.  I'm at
>> least the 12th owner since this car was new in '81, according to the
>> paperwork I got when I bought it, so there's no telling what all has been
>> done to it by previous owners.
>>
>> JL
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/2019 6:56 AM, Brett Nicholson wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 165/70R12 will foul on the rear trailing arm bracket.
>>
>> All that will definitely fit and clear that bracket is 145/70R12,
>> 165/60R12 or 165/55R12.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Brett.
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Sep. 2019, 8:43 pm T.A.J.M. van den Bogaard, <
>> T.A.J.M.vdnBogaard at uvt.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'd go for 165/60 because of experience on my old spi Cooper
>>> That came originally with 145/70 12's;  table beneath here also shows
>>> there's less difference to the original in that choice .. apart from that I
>>> think 165/60 is better available here in the Netherlands ;-)
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>> Theo van den Bogaard
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tiresize.com/calculator/
>>> 165/60 vs 70
>>> 19.8 vs 21.1 dia
>>> 3.9 vs 4.5 sidewall
>>> 62.2 vs 66.2 circum
>>> 1019 vs 957 revs/mile
>>>
>>> 165/60
>>> 145/70
>>> 19.8 vs 20 dia
>>> 3.9 vs 4 sidewall
>>> 62.2 vs 62.8 circum
>>> 1019 vs 1009 revs/mile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Mini-list [mini-list-bounces at autox.team.net] on behalf of John
>>> Lieberman [jlieberman37 at comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:22 AM
>>> To: minilist at yahoogroups.com; mini-list at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Mini] Tire sizes
>>>
>>> I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it...but...
>>>
>>> The '81 Mini that I imported to the US from England earlier this year
>>> has 165/70R12 tires (or tyres!) on it.  One of them has a slow leak and
>>> another has a split around part of the sidewall.  So I'm looking into
>>> new tires all the way around.  I can get 165/70 Nankangs here in the US
>>> for less than $50 per tire.  But I'd really like to go with 165/60 Yoko
>>> A539s.  However, to do that, I would have to import them from across the
>>> pond and pay considerably more.
>>>
>>> If you had a choice between 165/70 and 165/60, which would you choose
>>> for a street-driven car and why?!?
>>>
>>> JL
>>>
>>>
>>>
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