[Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
Tom Reier
bluesson at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 13 18:23:19 MST 2011
Clif,
Yes, the most notorious of meter maids are authorized to write you a
ticket for no front plate when they write your parking ticket. The good news
is that the $178 fine goes out the window for ten bucks and I think $15 for
having them sign it off when it's been installed on the car. It remains a huge
waste of time and manpower, however...imo.
When the club gets together, ask Ron E to tell the Lake County story. I
was NOT on that run, but I was sorry i wasn't, just because it would have been
FUN to see the cop who was writing tickets for no front plate for a bunch of
the club drivers react when he realized that the Grinnall Scorpion ran a
MOTORCYCLE plate and needed no front plate. I'm betting he would have hassled
me about not wearing a motorcycle helmet, and I would have produced the
document I carry that shows the DMV reg for three wheelers like mine, which
basically EXEMPTS me from wearing a helmet. It's a little loophole few know
about. After the MC helmet law went into effect in California, the meter maids
bitched because they had to wear helmets when driving their little Cushman
type cab three wheelers. The state put a loophole in there that states that if
you have 3 wheels and are in a certain size and weight range (the car, not the
driver) you are required to wear SEAT BELTS, not a helmet. I have four point
harnesses and roll bars, and that shuts them up fast. I had a Marin County
Sheriff hassle me one Saturday when I was in the company of a bunch of three
wheelers known as the Bolinas Cyclecar Club (run that name on google images
and see pictures of our lineup on that very day) right on the main drag of
Point Reyes Station, and when I told him the law, he didn't believe me until I
produced the paperwork. A small victory, and I loved it.
Tom R
> From: hawkview at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:06:32 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
> I received a no front plate ticket in San Francisco a few years ago. This
> was on top of the parking ticket. At the time I was pissed, because I
> noticed three other cars on that block with no front plate. When I
> questioned the no plate ticket at SFPD, I was told it was common to issue a
> ticket for no front plate, but they were not looking for it as a violation,
> like the parking ticket. I don't remember there being a fine, but since I
> didn't have the front plate, I had to get new plates and get the ticket
> signed off at the DMV.
> I would also be careful about punching a bunch of holes in the front plate.
> When I got my JH registered, I had to do an inspection. I have bent the
> bottom of my front plate back to allow for better air flow. The inspector
> told me, that it was against the law to tamper with the plate. Since the
> bend had no effect on reading the numbers, he didn't make me replace it.
> On a side note, motorcycles are note required to have a front plate, and the
> rear plate is tiny. Not sure why the front plate exemption. Any ideas on
> that?
> Clif 74 JH
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Sinai Rayman
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:38 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
> Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
> According to the wife of a CHP officer, that I know well, it is still "not
a
> primary cause of a stop by
> law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the
officer
> noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP you
> simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.". But that may
> vary from unit to unit. Who knows???
> I have no front plate on my MG nor my Honda S2000.
> Marty
> '53 MG TD
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tom Reier <bluesson at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
> > "Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
> > I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this has
> > gone
> > up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable
> > offense.
> > In
> > the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of a stop
> > by
> > law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the
> > officer
> > noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP
> > you
> > simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
> > Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find it
> > online,
> > so I'm thinking it's just talk.
> > I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in thirty
> > years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA plate on
> > the
> > back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
> > I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going to cost
> > me
> > over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200 dollars
> > when
> > they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm going to
> > put
> > on
> > this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount in the
> > bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate
> > permanently.
> > Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not saving
> > the
> > cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate only.
> > Lots
> > of
> > states don't require a front plate.
> > Tom R
> >
> > > From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
> > > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
> > > Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective
> > 01/06/2011
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: RACER BUD
> > > To: RACER BUD
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
> > > Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
> > > Racer Bud
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In case you live here or are going to visit,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ***************
> > > BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
> > > THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON
> > THE
> > > SUBJECT:
> > > "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES". PASS IT ON
> > TO
> > > YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
> > >
> > > HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines
> > > Effective 01/06/2011
> > >
> > > Please be extremely careful in your
> > driving
> > > and car registration & insurance matters. State of California is broke
> > and
> > > they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
> > >
> > > Effective immediately, if you do not
> > > stop
> > at
> > > the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school
bus
> > with
> > > flashing red signals, you will be charged $616. The state of
California
> > is
> > > going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford
> > messing
> > > with them. I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure
> > to
> > > issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in
> > fines
> > > over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras
> > > installed
> > > everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
> > > Just for your info, the next time you
> > park
> > in
> > > the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost
$
> > 1000
> > > in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
> > >
> > > California needs money, so pay close
> > attention
> > > to the rules of the road!
> > >
> > > Traffic Ticket Fines
> > > (Effective
> > > 01/06/2011)
> > >
> > > VC 12814.6 $214 Failure to
> > obey
> > > license provisions.
> > >
> > > VC 14600(A) $214 Failure to
> > notify
> > > DMV of address change within 10 days
> > > Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction.
> > > VC 16028(A) $796 Failure to
> > > provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
> > > Note: This fine may be reduced with
> > > proof
> > of
> > > insurance on or after the violation date.
> > >
> > > VC 21453(A) $436 Failure to
> > stop
> > > at a red signal.
> > >
> > > VC 22349 $214 Unsafe
> > speed,
> > > 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
> > >
> > > VC 22350 $328 Unsafe
> > speed,
> > > 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
> > >
> > > VC 22450 $214 Failure
> > to
> > > stop at a stop sign.
> > >
> > > VC 22454(A) $616 Passing a
> > school
> > > bus with flashing red signals.
> > >
> > > VC 23123(A) $148 Driving
> > while
> > > using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
> > >
I
> > know
> > > someone who got this and it ending up being $274
> > >
> > > VC 23123(B) $256 Driving
> > while
> > > using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
> > >
> > > VC 23123.5 $148 Driving
> > while
> > > using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
> > >
> > > VC 23124 $148 Minor
> > driving
> > > while using a wireless phone.
> > >
> > > VC 22500 $976 Parking
> > > in
> > a
> > > bus loading area.
> > >
> > > VC 22507(A) $976 Violation
> > > of
> > > disabled parking provisions, first offense.
> > >
> > > VC 22507(B) $1876 Violation
of
> > > disabled parking provisions, second offense.
> > >
> > > VC 26708 $178
Unlawful
> > > material on vehicle windows.
> > >
> > > VC 27150 $178
Adequate
> > > muffler required.
> > >
> > > VC 27315 $148
> > > Mandatory
> > use
> > > of seat belts.
> > >
> > > VC 27360 $436
> > > Mandatory
> > use
> > > of passenger child restraints.
> > > Note: This fine may be reduced by
> > completing
> > a
> > > court authorized child seat diversion program .
> > >
> > > VC 27400 $178
Headsets
> > or
> > > Earplugs covering both ears.
> > >
> > > VC 27803 $178
> > > Violation
> > of
> > > motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
> > >
> > > VC 34506 $616
> > Commercial
> > > Driver - Log book violation.
> > >
> > > VC 4000 $256 No
> > evidence
> > > of current registration.
> > > Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction.
> > >
> > > VC 5200 $178 Proper
> > > display of license plates.
> > > Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction.
> > >
> > > VC 9400 $178
> > Commercial
> > > weight fees due.
> > >
> > >
> > > Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but donb t
> > blame
> > > the cops. They donb t set the fines or collect them!
> > > **********************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =
> > >
> > >
> > > Daniel Desmond
> > > desmond at jps.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =
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