[Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Mon Jan 31 13:43:45 MST 2011

Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land Rovers
aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German (owned by
BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?

I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a clean
pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are manufactured
and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the newer Buick
models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the cars
pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end up.... but
only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.

peter

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Thanks Gerry.
But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.  Except
for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty
much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in
other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts are
made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a
Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has
British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below
would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but
even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was
the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had an
occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a
Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a
Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be outdone
by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of twisting
Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused
by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no where.

At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in
love with the Mini.
Clif
74 JH

-----Original Message-----
From: G. Mugele
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also became
the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some badge
engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving
them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were
also called Minis.
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect that
it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an SUV
in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover on
Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 55
HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that incredibly
fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry

On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John  
> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its  
> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made  
> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas  
> under license during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

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