[Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.

Thu Apr 2 11:28:53 MDT 2020

Howdy,

This seems a lot more like the time I bought a nice cordless chain saw to
cut up the tree that fell down in my yard once.

I.e. I probably wasn't going to need the saw after I cleaned up the tree
and I could have just borrowed the neighbor's saw.  But I wanted one and
had a great excuse.

:)

I am struggling to picture the situation where a "big enough to be
dangerous" wild animal comes into a noisy shop by choice.  And even if said
thing occurred, as others have mentioned I dunno what the heck 'regular'
pistol calibers would do in terms of a bear.  The idea of a half dozen air
horns scattered around seems a hell of a lot more likely to actually help
you.

If you want a new pistol, just buy one.  :)

Mark

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <
shop-talk at autox.team.net> wrote:

> This all seems alien to me – living in the UK we don’t such ready access
> to firearms – and even then basically only shotguns – and also because we
> generally don’t have such wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!
>
> So, my thoughts are more along the lines of finding other ways to deal
> with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be really after a meal,
> rather than a fight? So could there be a solution involving food? Maybe it
> would create a bigger problem long term, but could a well-stocked bin or
> something at least be a diversion to buy time (to get out or get your
> weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey!
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Jones via Shop-talk
> *Sent:* 02 April 2020 15:06
> *Cc:* Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked
> here.
>
>
>
> There are a few things to consider.
>
> If a bear is your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to get
> the penetration to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum,
> or a .30 caliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs.  Anything less just may
> focus your adversary’s attention on you and really make them mad.
>
> Where are you most likely to be located when a visitor would appear and
> where would your firearm be?  Are you back to the door working at a bench
> or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you be
> able to reach your firearm and access it before your visitor reaches you?
> You don’t want them to corner you where you have no means of escape. Access
> will determine the type of secure storage you’ll need. Carrying is fine if
> you use a good quality holster with retention and trigger protection. Not
> sure how you would present the gun on a creeper under a car though.
>
> What direction would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or your
> neighbors house? No matter what you chose to use, what’s behind your
> potential target is your 2nd, hitting your target is the first and
> biggest headache.
>
> Revolvers are fine and most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns
> made for boating use. A lot of semi autos have stainless slides and
> barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning and oiling will be necessary. Even
> stainless firearms have carbon steel parts that need protected.
>
> A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for your visitor so
> you can get out of harms way.
>
> Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline phone close, heaven forbid,
> you have a run in and need help.
>
> It may be safer to close the door and find another means of fresh air and
> ventilation.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I don't think a revolver is a poor choice but there's no way I'd store
> an expensive revolver like that in the garage.
>
> I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn't have any
> intention of carrying the firearm that there's no reason to compromise
> with a handgun. I'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an
> inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts or a
> similar secured wall mount.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk
> <shop-talk at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt
> Python in .357 magnum.  I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more
> sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be too
> challenging.  Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to
> protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your
> person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to
> revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one
> will take the cake.
> >
> > I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a
> large shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals
> in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in
> the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
> > Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.
> >
> > So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop
> environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity
> will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe
> is.)
> >
> > Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that
> I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I
> need to think about?
> >
> > Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M
> elite polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.
> (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do
> have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)
> >
> > I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to
> consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
> >
> > Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car
> and heavy equipment work, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
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