From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 17:14:28 2022
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 16:14:28 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
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Dave ? thanks for the feedback. He now has it working and says it does a great job shaving tires!

 

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All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 4:56 AM
To: alfuller194 at gmail.com; Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring

 

I'm not familiar with your application but a typical reversable AC motor is controlled by a SPST center-off switch.  The motor has three leads.  One is connected to neutral directly.  The other tow wires have a run capacitor connected between them.  Applying power to one of these two leads will make the motor run in one direction and applying power to the other lead will make the motor run in the opposite direction.  There should be a label on the motor somewhere indicating which wire is which.

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

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To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:Shop-talk at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 3:07 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring

Posting for a friend:

 

I have purchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire Conditioner. 

I'm overhauling it to hopefully use to shave tires on wire wheels.

I have all the mechanical issues resolved but am stumped when it comes to rewiring the 110 volt single phase reversable cutter motor.

Anyone out there who is knowledgeable on AC motor wiring who would be prepared to offer some assistance. 

 

 

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Al Fuller

 

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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Fri Nov  4 17:02:08 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2022 19:02:08 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Old car manuals
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1667602918.8844.shop-talk@autox.team.net>


Hey Gang,

I've had to clean out my old little bedroom/computer room/ham shack to
pull up the carpeting and put down new hard wood floor and baseboard
molding.  In doing this I got ride of 2 desks, one was a very small operating
desk for the ham radio, and the other was a work bench for working on
electronic projects.  That ment I needed a new operating desk.  I built one
out of a solid core interior door, some metal "X" frame legs, and the put a
2" x 12" x 80" shelf on the desk supported by 6 - 12" pipe legs.

In this room I also had 2 5' tall book cases and 2 smaller ones.  I'm
probably going to have to get rid of at least one of the tall ones and one of
the  short ones.

So here's the tie to "shop talk".  I have all kids of old car 
manuals, for cars I
no longer own, like my 67 Spitfire shop manual, my '65 Volvo P1800, an old
Glenn's Foreigh Car Repair manual, then many more.  So what should I do
with them?  They would be relatively expensive to ship if I sold them on
eBay.  I don't think my kids will want them.  I am keeping the various
manuals and part catalogues I have the cover my Morgan and Bricklin as I
still own both cars.

I hate to just pitch them out.  What would you do with them if they 
were your shop manuals and catalogues?

Also, I'm no spring chicken and ain't getting any younger. :)

John




John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

           48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                        65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

 From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
      e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
      In God We Trust
      Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction




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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Fri Nov  4 17:21:28 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 23:21:28 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Old car manuals
In-Reply-To: <20221104230732.D0B39A12C5@autox.team.net>
References: <20221104230732.D0B39A12C5@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <DM5PR14MB1274C3961848643189D114E6B43B9@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Manuals can ship via media mail which, while not cheap, is the cheapest way to ship books.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 6:02 PM
To: shop-talk at autox.team.net <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Old car manuals


Hey Gang,

I've had to clean out my old little bedroom/computer room/ham shack to
pull up the carpeting and put down new hard wood floor and baseboard
molding.  In doing this I got ride of 2 desks, one was a very small operating
desk for the ham radio, and the other was a work bench for working on
electronic projects.  That ment I needed a new operating desk.  I built one
out of a solid core interior door, some metal "X" frame legs, and the put a
2" x 12" x 80" shelf on the desk supported by 6 - 12" pipe legs.

In this room I also had 2 5' tall book cases and 2 smaller ones.  I'm
probably going to have to get rid of at least one of the tall ones and one of
the  short ones.

So here's the tie to "shop talk".  I have all kids of old car
manuals, for cars I
no longer own, like my 67 Spitfire shop manual, my '65 Volvo P1800, an old
Glenn's Foreigh Car Repair manual, then many more.  So what should I do
with them?  They would be relatively expensive to ship if I sold them on
eBay.  I don't think my kids will want them.  I am keeping the various
manuals and part catalogues I have the cover my Morgan and Bricklin as I
still own both cars.

I hate to just pitch them out.  What would you do with them if they
were your shop manuals and catalogues?

Also, I'm no spring chicken and ain't getting any younger. :)

John




John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

           48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                        65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

 From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
      e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
      In God We Trust
      Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction




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From tjcora at icloud.com  Fri Nov  4 17:42:46 2022
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 19:42:46 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Old car manuals
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Rather than ebay, maybe sell on the local instantiation of craigslist, or give them away via freecycle?

A Bricklin, eh? 

Next door neighbor when I was a kid had a Rambler, same vintage as yours. Neat car!

?
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com


> On 04 Nov 2022, at 7:02 PM, John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Gang,
> 
> I've had to clean out my old little bedroom/computer room/ham shack to
> pull up the carpeting and put down new hard wood floor and baseboard
> molding.  In doing this I got ride of 2 desks, one was a very small operating
> desk for the ham radio, and the other was a work bench for working on
> electronic projects.  That ment I needed a new operating desk.  I built one
> out of a solid core interior door, some metal "X" frame legs, and the put a
> 2" x 12" x 80" shelf on the desk supported by 6 - 12" pipe legs.
> 
> In this room I also had 2 5' tall book cases and 2 smaller ones.  I'm
> probably going to have to get rid of at least one of the tall ones and one of
> the  short ones.
> 
> So here's the tie to "shop talk".  I have all kids of old car manuals, for cars I
> no longer own, like my 67 Spitfire shop manual, my '65 Volvo P1800, an old
> Glenn's Foreigh Car Repair manual, then many more.  So what should I do
> with them?  They would be relatively expensive to ship if I sold them on
> eBay.  I don't think my kids will want them.  I am keeping the various
> manuals and part catalogues I have the cover my Morgan and Bricklin as I
> still own both cars.
> 
> I hate to just pitch them out.  What would you do with them if they were your shop manuals and catalogues?
> 
> Also, I'm no spring chicken and ain't getting any younger. :)
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
> 
>          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                       65 Rambler Classic
> 
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
> 
> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
> 
> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>     In God We Trust
>     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 17:57:36 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 19:57:36 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] Old car manuals
In-Reply-To: <20221104231239.40A14A12E1@autox.team.net>
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They should ship fairly inexpensively as Media Mail (since they contain no
advertising) so you might look into that.

As a Spitfire enthusiast (I've owned four or five square tails) I might
have an interest in that part of your collection.

-- Jeff

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022, 19:12 John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Hey Gang,
>
> I've had to clean out my old little bedroom/computer room/ham shack to
> pull up the carpeting and put down new hard wood floor and baseboard
> molding.  In doing this I got ride of 2 desks, one was a very small
> operating
> desk for the ham radio, and the other was a work bench for working on
> electronic projects.  That ment I needed a new operating desk.  I built one
> out of a solid core interior door, some metal "X" frame legs, and the put a
> 2" x 12" x 80" shelf on the desk supported by 6 - 12" pipe legs.
>
> In this room I also had 2 5' tall book cases and 2 smaller ones.  I'm
> probably going to have to get rid of at least one of the tall ones and one
> of
> the  short ones.
>
> So here's the tie to "shop talk".  I have all kids of old car
> manuals, for cars I
> no longer own, like my 67 Spitfire shop manual, my '65 Volvo P1800, an old
> Glenn's Foreigh Car Repair manual, then many more.  So what should I do
> with them?  They would be relatively expensive to ship if I sold them on
> eBay.  I don't think my kids will want them.  I am keeping the various
> manuals and part catalogues I have the cover my Morgan and Bricklin as I
> still own both cars.
>
> I hate to just pitch them out.  What would you do with them if they
> were your shop manuals and catalogues?
>
> Also, I'm no spring chicken and ain't getting any younger. :)
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
>            48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>       75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                         65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>
> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>
>  From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>       e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>       In God We Trust
>       Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>                    oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>
>
>
>
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 14:19:23 2022
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:19:23 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Etching bare metal
Message-ID: <0A7715D3-1761-41C8-932B-799A64973086@gmail.com>

The last time I painted a car was in the 1980?s, which I?m pretty sure is before the invention of self-etching primer.  If it was around then, I didn?t know about it.  I learned everything I knew from reading DIY books and used a phosphoric acid solution to etch bare metal before priming.  I haven?t heard of anyone doing that anymore, but need to prime a trunk lid and am thinking it might be worth a phosphoric acid wash first.  I had the lid dipped about 10 years ago and it was left untreated all this time.  (Not by me, but that is a different and longer story.)  The lid has been sitting on the car and the underside still looks nearly perfect.  The car with has always been garaged but the top had a light coating of rust.  I?ve removed that now but there are some pits here and there (probably from before the dipping) and I would like to be 100% sure it is rust free before priming it.  

I have a gallon of this sitting around: https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Strip-GKPA30220-Gallon-Phosphoric/dp/B00945D15I <https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Strip-GKPA30220-Gallon-Phosphoric/dp/B00945D15I>  Is there any reason not to wash the surface with a diluted solution before priming?  Or, should I just use something like Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer (https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/auto/removers-and-chemicals/rust-reformer-spray/ <https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/auto/removers-and-chemicals/rust-reformer-spray/>) and call it a day?
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 15:02:11 2022
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:02:11 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Etching bare metal
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I often use phosphoric acid to clean and de-rust fuel tanks before coating
with an epoxy sealer.  I find it works great for getting ALL that last rust
out and etching the surface nicely.  As I am sure you recall, you must
clean and paint immediately.  Steel etched with acid will be highly
susceptible to corrosion if not coated right away.  I like to clean with
water to neutralize the acid then immediately rinse with solvent to get rid
of the water.  Denatured alcohol works great to dry the water, but might
not be compatible with all types of primer.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:31 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:

> The last time I painted a car was in the 1980?s, which I?m pretty sure is
> before the invention of self-etching primer.  If it was around then, I
> didn?t know about it.  I learned everything I knew from reading DIY books
> and used a phosphoric acid solution to etch bare metal before priming.  I
> haven?t heard of anyone doing that anymore, but need to prime a trunk lid
> and am thinking it might be worth a phosphoric acid wash first.  I had the
> lid dipped about 10 years ago and it was left untreated all this time.
>  (Not by me, but that is a different and longer story.)  The lid has been
> sitting on the car and the underside still looks nearly perfect.  The car
> with has always been garaged but the top had a light coating of rust.  I?ve
> removed that now but there are some pits here and there (probably from
> before the dipping) and I would like to be 100% sure it is rust free before
> priming it.
>
> I have a gallon of this sitting around:
> https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Strip-GKPA30220-Gallon-Phosphoric/dp/B00945D15I
>  Is there any reason not to wash the surface with a diluted solution before
> priming?  Or, should I just use something like Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer (
> https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/auto/removers-and-chemicals/rust-reformer-spray/)
> and call it a day?
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sun Nov 13 18:59:25 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:59:25 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Etching bare metal
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YDnCWZ9Gimb9Er92aeXk=Y=KQ6x0_YUB740YcO=giJ4VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANuE7YDnCWZ9Gimb9Er92aeXk=Y=KQ6x0_YUB740YcO=giJ4VA@mail.gmail.com>
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Several years ago I was stripping the frame on my 67.5 Datsun roadster using a pressure washer with a media blaster tip & was really surprised, not only how fast it stripped down to bare metal, but how fast it flash rusted. Within a few minutes of blasting, it rusted. I finally had to blast a minute or so, then dry & phosphate coat it before continuing. The phosphate I used needed to be washed off before priming which added to the process. Wish I could have found some of the phosphate that didn?t need washing but nobody stocked it. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:41 PM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I often use phosphoric acid to clean and de-rust fuel tanks before coating with an epoxy sealer.  I find it works great for getting ALL that last rust out and etching the surface nicely.  As I am sure you recall, you must clean and paint immediately.  Steel etched with acid will be highly susceptible to corrosion if not coated right away.  I like to clean with water to neutralize the acid then immediately rinse with solvent to get rid of the water.  Denatured alcohol works great to dry the water, but might not be compatible with all types of primer.  

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:31 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:
> The last time I painted a car was in the 1980?s, which I?m pretty sure is before the invention of self-etching primer.  If it was around then, I didn?t know about it.  I learned everything I knew from reading DIY books and used a phosphoric acid solution to etch bare metal before priming.  I haven?t heard of anyone doing that anymore, but need to prime a trunk lid and am thinking it might be worth a phosphoric acid wash first.  I had the lid dipped about 10 years ago and it was left untreated all this time.  (Not by me, but that is a different and longer story.)  The lid has been sitting on the car and the underside still looks nearly perfect.  The car with has always been garaged but the top had a light coating of rust.  I?ve removed that now but there are some pits here and there (probably from before the dipping) and I would like to be 100% sure it is rust free before priming it.  
> 
> I have a gallon of this sitting around: https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Strip-GKPA30220-Gallon-Phosphoric/dp/B00945D15I  Is there any reason not to wash the surface with a diluted solution before priming?  Or, should I just use something like Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer (https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/auto/removers-and-chemicals/rust-reformer-spray/) and call it a day?
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From doug at dougbraun.com  Sun Nov 13 19:17:52 2022
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:17:52 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Etching bare metal
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I used this when doing a lot of bead blasting and sandblasting on my '31
Ford, and it was very helpful:

https://fsccoatings.com/zero-rust-prep-step-powder

You mix a tablespoon of the powder in a spray bottle of water, and spritz
some on the freshly-blasted metal.
The nice thing is, it's not corrosive, or bad to get on yourself.  It goes
a long way - one container
of the stuff was enough to do almost every square inch of the frame body,
and running gear.

Doug



On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 9:10 PM Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:

> Several years ago I was stripping the frame on my 67.5 Datsun roadster
> using a pressure washer with a media blaster tip & was really surprised,
> not only how fast it stripped down to bare metal, but how fast it flash
> rusted. Within a few minutes of blasting, it rusted. I finally had to blast
> a minute or so, then dry & phosphate coat it before continuing. The
> phosphate I used needed to be washed off before priming which added to the
> process. Wish I could have found some of the phosphate that didn?t need
> washing but nobody stocked it.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
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From eric at megageek.com  Mon Nov 14 14:05:51 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:05:51 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plow oil
Message-ID: <OFF0073CCD.4C3BBB80-ON852588FA.007359A5-852588FA.0073E494@mail.megageek.com>

OK, Here is a quick one...

I acquired a used Snow-way plow that needs fluid.  Looking on line, there 
are comments from everything that I can use any syth ATF fluid, to only 
certain types of ATF (5606 compatible), to AW 32 Hydro oil, or any plow 
oil Then of course the manufacture saying to ONLY use "Snow way" plow oil 
a ridiculous cost.  Of course some comments also say not to mix oils.

Does anyone have any experience with this?  I don't understand how fluids 
got so specific, and how each application and manufacture have a special 
oil for each case.

Any help?  Thanks.

Again, this is an older Snow way plow, so it's not like I have any 
warrantee issues.

Thanks!
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 14:26:32 2022
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:26:32 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plow oil
In-Reply-To: <OFF0073CCD.4C3BBB80-ON852588FA.007359A5-852588FA.0073E494@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFF0073CCD.4C3BBB80-ON852588FA.007359A5-852588FA.0073E494@mail.megageek.com>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YA_+AO07AjF-dex0L786aPX+ZFsPpbLbdtBTESuovKB9w@mail.gmail.com>

I just went through this a few years ago.  I have a 1980's vintage Western
plow that originally used a western fluid that is compatible with 5606.
5606 is a fine hydraulic fluid, to a point.  It is only good down to a
certain temperature and it is somewhat susceptible to absorbing water.  A
couple years ago I did a bunch of research and found that Buyers "Blue"
hydraulic fluid was compatible with 5606.  It is a lower temp rating (down
below -50F) and supposed to be more stable for long term storage.  So I
drained, flushed and refilled my plow setu with this stuff.  Not too
expensive, I can get it locally, and it has worked great so far.  I drained
and refilled the plow Saturday, and the fluid looked like new.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 3:18 PM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> OK, Here is a quick one...
>
> I acquired a used Snow-way plow that needs fluid.  Looking on line, there
> are comments from everything that I can use any syth ATF fluid, to only
> certain types of ATF (5606 compatible), to AW 32 Hydro oil, or any plow oil
> Then of course the manufacture saying to ONLY use "Snow way" plow oil a
> ridiculous cost.  Of course some comments also say not to mix oils.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this?  I don't understand how fluids
> got so specific, and how each application and manufacture have a special
> oil for each case.
>
> Any help?  Thanks.
>
> Again, this is an older Snow way plow, so it's not like I have any
> warrantee issues.
>
> Thanks! _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 18:26:03 2022
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 20:26:03 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Etching bare metal
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbU9WTPK-EiSDVxt1UZDbcWuQNw+Z3XW58n_FXW5E=-3CCeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANuE7YDnCWZ9Gimb9Er92aeXk=Y=KQ6x0_YUB740YcO=giJ4VA@mail.gmail.com>
 <B3C6905B-008A-45D3-A01A-DD10E9E4F25F@icloud.com>
 <CAOtbU9WTPK-EiSDVxt1UZDbcWuQNw+Z3XW58n_FXW5E=-3CCeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <240053A5-C7A7-4C6D-BB48-E4A3EC50A650@gmail.com>

Thanks, guys.  Very helpful.  The metal looks very good; I just want to be certain nothing is lurking in the pits that might come back to haunt me.

I am curious to know if anyone has ever tried the Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer under auto paint.  I have used it with good success in general shop work, but have wondered about its spot use as I work though the car.  I am thinking that any use of it would be hit with a second primer later, just for consistency of the primer surface.

Jim

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:17 PM, Doug Braun <doug at dougbraun.com> wrote:
> 
> I used this when doing a lot of bead blasting and sandblasting on my '31 Ford, and it was very helpful:
> 
> https://fsccoatings.com/zero-rust-prep-step-powder <https://fsccoatings.com/zero-rust-prep-step-powder>
> 
> You mix a tablespoon of the powder in a spray bottle of water, and spritz some on the freshly-blasted metal.
> The nice thing is, it's not corrosive, or bad to get on yourself.  It goes a long way - one container
> of the stuff was enough to do almost every square inch of the frame body, and running gear.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 9:10 PM Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com <mailto:patintexas at icloud.com>> wrote:
> Several years ago I was stripping the frame on my 67.5 Datsun roadster using a pressure washer with a media blaster tip & was really surprised, not only how fast it stripped down to bare metal, but how fast it flash rusted. Within a few minutes of blasting, it rusted. I finally had to blast a minute or so, then dry & phosphate coat it before continuing. The phosphate I used needed to be washed off before priming which added to the process. Wish I could have found some of the phosphate that didn?t need washing but nobody stocked it. 
> 
> Peace,
> Pat
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Nov 16 15:04:16 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 22:04:16 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] OLED V QLED and UHD and HDR
Message-ID: <DM5PR14MB12740241AA07F0025BA7F9A3B4079@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Another inquiry for a diverse group of people.

I've done some reading, a fair amount actually, and have come to a conclusion to what I think I want for our next flat screen. We are at 15 years and counting on a 42" Sharp that has outlived (by over five years) the same one bought by a friend of ours. I think this is in part because it gets totally powered off by the Monster Power surge protector and power filter that I use for my sound system and flat screen. So, the term "borrowed time" has a short clock right now.

So, what are some thoughts on OLED v QLED please?

And should I avoid UHD and HDR?

Am I correct in reading that OLED is better viewing from the side? This is a consideration in our long and somewhat narrow living room.

I am looking to spend a grand anyway since our last vacation was turned out to be much cheaper than anticipated.

Thanks all
tim


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From shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org  Fri Nov 18 11:36:44 2022
From: shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org (Ian McFetridge)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:36:44 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] OLED V QLED and UHD and HDR
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR14MB12740241AA07F0025BA7F9A3B4079@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR14MB12740241AA07F0025BA7F9A3B4079@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFnfnRX-0PmViyJP5bwwrSwr_rmTR=hy9pBcSpNxHthz=5MPjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tim,

I'll try to answer your questions by example.  We have a Vizio 4k LCD
TV (like the QLED you mented) and an LG 4K OLED (C1 model) and there
are definitely pros and cons, which are roughly:
-- both are 4K, which has more horizontal pixels than the UHD you
mentioned.  UHD means 3840x2160 (exactly four times HD), and 4K is
4096x2160, or 256 pixels wider than UHD.  I'd just get a 4k tv.
-- QLED is brighter as it is transmissive light from LEDs behind the
LCD film that may have quantum dots in it if it is a Samsung (I think
it's more marketing)
-- OLED has MUCH better black levels and contrast since it is emits
light from the pixels, no backlight, so when a pixel is off it is
pitch black.  Watching previously seen movies and shows on the OLED
revealed a lot of detail that I had previously missed (think Lord of
the Rings, Batman, GoTs, etc.)
-- the OLED has wider viewing angles
-- the OLED is faster responding for sports and fast action sequences,
but you can get fast QLED
-- QLED/LED is cheaper than OLED, but you should be able to get either
for grand during Black Friday/Cyber Monday
-- OLED, least the LG, is super thin and VERY fragile.  Our LED TV has
been beat on for years, including kids throwing balls, Nintendo
controllers, etc., but one hot of the OLED by a 5 year old with a
barbie doll rendered it inoperable with a nickel-sized shallow dent in
a corner.  May not be a concern, but we keep kids away from the OLED.
-- The OLED we have has HDR and I've turned it on/off and I think I
might see a little more color depth with it on, but it's marginal for
my old eyes.  :)

If I didn't have an OLED, I would probably get one just for the black
levels and contrast, but I would not get it if my TV room is very
sunny (ours is in the basement).

Best,
Ian

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:20 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Another inquiry for a diverse group of people.
>
> I've done some reading, a fair amount actually, and have come to a conclusion to what I think I want for our next flat screen. We are at 15 years and counting on a 42" Sharp that has outlived (by over five years) the same one bought by a friend of ours. I think this is in part because it gets totally powered off by the Monster Power surge protector and power filter that I use for my sound system and flat screen. So, the term "borrowed time" has a short clock right now.
>
> So, what are some thoughts on OLED v QLED please?
>
> And should I avoid UHD and HDR?
>
> Am I correct in reading that OLED is better viewing from the side? This is a consideration in our long and somewhat narrow living room.
>
> I am looking to spend a grand anyway since our last vacation was turned out to be much cheaper than anticipated.
>
> Thanks all
> tim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Nov 18 12:42:13 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:42:13 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips ID
Message-ID: <56af5eec-484f-9cde-8c12-bf3c497a2589@comcast.net>

Hey guys,

What are these clips called? I'm fitting a new grille badge to my Healey 
100; the clips from the old badge are too large and the ones that came 
with the new one are too small :(

TIA,
Bob

From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Nov 18 12:56:08 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:56:08 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
Message-ID: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>

Oops ... forgot the pic.
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 15:53:49 2022
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:53:49 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
In-Reply-To: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
References: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6f-P0LOrtetnQ3-dtGpcEVQDp6yXUgAvttpOO3ZcAmwGw@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, I've always called them Speed Nuts. Google that and you'll see a wide
variety of types and vendors.

HTH,
Ron

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:25 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Nov 18 15:55:36 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 14:55:36 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6f-P0LOrtetnQ3-dtGpcEVQDp6yXUgAvttpOO3ZcAmwGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
 <CAMHhs6f-P0LOrtetnQ3-dtGpcEVQDp6yXUgAvttpOO3ZcAmwGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4eec6904-c1a7-ecb7-c54c-6c5cf28980e4@comcast.net>

Ah, right you are, Ron. Thanks.
Bob

On 11/18/2022 2:53 PM, Ronnie Day wrote:
> Bob, I've always called them Speed Nuts. Google that and you'll see a 
> wide variety of types and vendors.
>
> HTH,
> Ron
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:25 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     Oops ... forgot the
>     pic._______________________________________________
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Nov 18 15:58:14 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 14:58:14 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6f-P0LOrtetnQ3-dtGpcEVQDp6yXUgAvttpOO3ZcAmwGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
 <CAMHhs6f-P0LOrtetnQ3-dtGpcEVQDp6yXUgAvttpOO3ZcAmwGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a374febc-fa4f-3f2d-2cea-9a68091f8811@comcast.net>

aka 'flat spring nut'


On 11/18/2022 2:53 PM, Ronnie Day wrote:
> Bob, I've always called them Speed Nuts. Google that and you'll see a 
> wide variety of types and vendors.
>
> HTH,
> Ron
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:25 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     Oops ... forgot the
>     pic._______________________________________________
>
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Fri Nov 18 17:16:50 2022
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:16:50 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips ID
In-Reply-To: <56af5eec-484f-9cde-8c12-bf3c497a2589@comcast.net>
References: <56af5eec-484f-9cde-8c12-bf3c497a2589@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f74d38cd-2ba5-09ea-a49e-455437c23e54@snet.net>

I'm not sure what they are called, but my local Ace Hardware store has a 
variety of these.

On 11/18/2022 2:42 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> What are these clips called? I'm fitting a new grille badge to my 
> Healey 100; the clips from the old badge are too large and the ones 
> that came with the new one are too small :(
>
> TIA,
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
>
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From maynerdfamily at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 17:28:00 2022
From: maynerdfamily at msn.com (Brian and Wendy Warrick)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 00:28:00 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
In-Reply-To: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
References: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MW2PR07MB39782A79A027B709641B0272BB089@MW2PR07MB3978.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Self Locking Speed Nuts

https://www.boltproducts.com/self-locking-speed-nuts-c-700_463.html
Self Locking Speed Nuts from Bolt Products, Inc.<https://www.boltproducts.com/self-locking-speed-nuts-c-700_463.html>
Self locking speed nuts are a perfect solution for numerous applications. Single-Thread Engaging Self-Locking Speed Nuts? provide a unique dual self locking action. These are versatile fasteners made from heat-treated high carbon spring steel. Contact the experts at Bolt today for help on choosing the right Speed Nut.
www.boltproducts.com

Brian
Nampa, ID
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:56 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2

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From dhlocker at protonmail.com  Fri Nov 18 17:33:08 2022
From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 00:33:08 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
In-Reply-To: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
References: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f5d2487a-0487-680c-542e-8b5b5df593f0@protonmail.com>

I believe these are known as "push nuts". Check out McMaster -
https://www.mcmaster.com/push-nuts/

HTH,
Donald.

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 18:29:20 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 20:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6f-P0LOrtetnQ3-dtGpcEVQDp6yXUgAvttpOO3ZcAmwGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <117edb02-425e-7a90-06f0-e2f176843da9@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CO9=4-tikDUh3KyTeVh45VmJc9Jf-vNbqBCD_5aWhHzVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Like these.
https://www.mcmaster.com/speed-nuts/rectangular-push-on-external-retaining-rings/

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 20:07 Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob, I've always called them Speed Nuts. Google that and you'll see a wide
> variety of types and vendors.
>
> HTH,
> Ron
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:25 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Oops ... forgot the pic._______________________________________________
>>
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From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 18:37:07 2022
From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:37:07 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
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Sent from the wilds of NorCal 

> On Nov 18, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> I believe those are called ? timmerman? nuts

Lots of different nuts here in norcal?
Nick
> 
> 


From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Nov 18 22:34:45 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 21:34:45 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Clips2
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CO9=4-tikDUh3KyTeVh45VmJc9Jf-vNbqBCD_5aWhHzVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yup. These things must have a dozen different names. Nearby Lowes claims 
to have them:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-4-Count-10-Black-Phosphate-Standard-SAE-Flat-Spring-Nuts/3013177?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-hdw-_-ggl-_-LIA_HDW_126_Fastening-_-3013177-_-local-_-0-_-0&ds_rl=1286981&gclid=Cj0KCQiA99ybBhD9ARIsALvZavXmw0B7GHXIe7-orKtJN-BNvselG4WLV1h9axyx_o22PDRp7OE2xU4aAiY0EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Thanks for the help.



On 11/18/2022 5:29 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> Like these. 
> https://www.mcmaster.com/speed-nuts/rectangular-push-on-external-retaining-rings/
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 20:07 Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Bob, I've always called them Speed Nuts. Google that and you'll
>     see a wide variety of types and vendors.
>
>     HTH,
>     Ron
>
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>     wrote:
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sat Nov 19 06:46:20 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:46:20 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] OLED V QLED and UHD and HDR
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Thank you sir. I appreciate your reply and first hand experience which is what I was looking for.

________________________________
From: Ian McFetridge <shop-talk2 at mcfetridge.org>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:36 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OLED V QLED and UHD and HDR

Hi Tim,

I'll try to answer your questions by example.  We have a Vizio 4k LCD
TV (like the QLED you mented) and an LG 4K OLED (C1 model) and there
are definitely pros and cons, which are roughly:
-- both are 4K, which has more horizontal pixels than the UHD you
mentioned.  UHD means 3840x2160 (exactly four times HD), and 4K is
4096x2160, or 256 pixels wider than UHD.  I'd just get a 4k tv.
-- QLED is brighter as it is transmissive light from LEDs behind the
LCD film that may have quantum dots in it if it is a Samsung (I think
it's more marketing)
-- OLED has MUCH better black levels and contrast since it is emits
light from the pixels, no backlight, so when a pixel is off it is
pitch black.  Watching previously seen movies and shows on the OLED
revealed a lot of detail that I had previously missed (think Lord of
the Rings, Batman, GoTs, etc.)
-- the OLED has wider viewing angles
-- the OLED is faster responding for sports and fast action sequences,
but you can get fast QLED
-- QLED/LED is cheaper than OLED, but you should be able to get either
for grand during Black Friday/Cyber Monday
-- OLED, least the LG, is super thin and VERY fragile.  Our LED TV has
been beat on for years, including kids throwing balls, Nintendo
controllers, etc., but one hot of the OLED by a 5 year old with a
barbie doll rendered it inoperable with a nickel-sized shallow dent in
a corner.  May not be a concern, but we keep kids away from the OLED.
-- The OLED we have has HDR and I've turned it on/off and I think I
might see a little more color depth with it on, but it's marginal for
my old eyes.  :)

If I didn't have an OLED, I would probably get one just for the black
levels and contrast, but I would not get it if my TV room is very
sunny (ours is in the basement).

Best,
Ian

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:20 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Another inquiry for a diverse group of people.
>
> I've done some reading, a fair amount actually, and have come to a conclusion to what I think I want for our next flat screen. We are at 15 years and counting on a 42" Sharp that has outlived (by over five years) the same one bought by a friend of ours. I think this is in part because it gets totally powered off by the Monster Power surge protector and power filter that I use for my sound system and flat screen. So, the term "borrowed time" has a short clock right now.
>
> So, what are some thoughts on OLED v QLED please?
>
> And should I avoid UHD and HDR?
>
> Am I correct in reading that OLED is better viewing from the side? This is a consideration in our long and somewhat narrow living room.
>
> I am looking to spend a grand anyway since our last vacation was turned out to be much cheaper than anticipated.
>
> Thanks all
> tim
>
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From eric at megageek.com  Sun Nov 20 05:02:57 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:02:57 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
Message-ID: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>

I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.

I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from movies 
and other video training aids.

Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2 hour 
videos.  Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning of a 
clip and such.

Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be able 
to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't 
send 1 gig files.

I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files.  These are 
often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have some 
'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.

But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to save 
the cropped file. 

Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video files? 
Bonus if it's free.

Thanks!

Moose
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 05:59:14 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] D-Rings for trailer
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CNjF3RHnnORBYn_VGaHiw_su3w8F=WbkT0HYVVOPf6HrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I need to add a few attachment points to my trailer.  A surface mount
D-ring or four looks like the answer.  I'm looking for something that isn't
made from fake metal with a xenophobic name ...

Can anyone recommend a brand name that I can depend on to meet the claimed
specs?  I found one such that looks promising, but I rely on the group mind
for information and reassurance.
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 08:12:47 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 10:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
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I use the built-in editor in Windows to clip my dashcam videos.  It
does work with MP4.  It shows a "timeline" of the movie file or clip,
and you can select points to trim the start and end points.

Windows Live Movie Maker - you may need to install it as an "app".

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:25 AM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>
> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>
> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from movies and other video training aids.
>
> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2 hour videos.  Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning of a clip and such.
>
> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't send 1 gig files.
>
> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files.  These are often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have some 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>
> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to save the cropped file.
>
> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video files?  Bonus if it's free.
>
> Thanks!
>
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From dhlocker at protonmail.com  Sun Nov 20 08:19:11 2022
From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (Donald H Locker)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 15:19:11 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
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kdenlive is the video editor I remember. It's been a while, but it worked well; I expect it's better now.

https://kdenlive.org/en/ is useful; download available for Windows, Mac, and Linux

HTH,
Donald.

On 11/20/22 07:02, eric at megageek.com wrote:

> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>
> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from movies and other video training aids.
>
> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2 hour videos. Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning of a clip and such.
>
> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't send 1 gig files.
>
> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files. These are often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have some 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>
> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to save the cropped file.
>
> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video files? Bonus if it's free.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moose
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From pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 20 09:16:40 2022
From: pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com (PJ McGarvey)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 16:16:40 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CPZ=DVajKbs=7RGRCdnjY+kq+QRC9BuL7-Z4FpD8G1B8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
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When you say "crop" I hear: reduce the viewing area of the video, or reduce the image size (in pixels).

If you want to reduce the length of the video, I would call that "Trim" or at least that's what it's called in Quicktime Player on my Mac. The free Quicktime cannot crop, but it can trim. I'm sure you can find it for Winderz.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 10:12 AM
To: eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Video editing help

I use the built-in editor in Windows to clip my dashcam videos.  It
does work with MP4.  It shows a "timeline" of the movie file or clip,
and you can select points to trim the start and end points.

Windows Live Movie Maker - you may need to install it as an "app".

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:25 AM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:
>
> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>
> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from movies and other video training aids.
>
> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2 hour videos.  Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning of a clip and such.
>
> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't send 1 gig files.
>
> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files.  These are often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have some 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>
> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to save the cropped file.
>
> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video files?  Bonus if it's free.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moose_______________________________________________
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 09:44:09 2022
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
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I have a Windows app called "Video Editor" that was free from the app 
store.? Checking now, it looks to be part of Microsoft Photos. If you 
are on Windows, check you program list for "Photos" and open it.? If you 
are similarly updated, you will see a tab for "Video Editor".

I "clip" videos into segments then delete the undesired segments. Works 
fairly well.? Save format is only mp4 I believe, but that is near 
universal.? You have a choice of save resolutions.

I share stuff too big to e-mail to a Google Docs folder.

Brian

On 11/20/2022 4:02 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>
> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from 
> movies and other video training aids.
>
> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2 
> hour videos. ?Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually 
> beginning of a clip and such.
>
> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be 
> able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I 
> can't send 1 gig files.
>
> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files. ?These 
> are often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to 
> have some 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>
> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to 
> save the cropped file.
>
> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video 
> files? ?Bonus if it's free.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moose
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From neiljsherry at talktalk.net  Sun Nov 20 10:01:56 2022
From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (Neil Sherry)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:01:56 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
Message-ID: <b4d5c640-d0ec-f6bd-5386-74d8f7bc0e2e@talktalk.net>

I use the Windows Photo app - will open the movie and then allow you to 
whiz through and find where you want to trim and save as a new file.

Neil

On 20/11/2022 12:02, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>
> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from 
> movies and other video training aids.
>
> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2 
> hour videos. ?Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually 
> beginning of a clip and such.
>
> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be 
> able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I 
> can't send 1 gig files.
>
> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files. ?These 
> are often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to 
> have some 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>
> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to 
> save the cropped file.
>
> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video 
> files? ?Bonus if it's free.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moose
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From jem at milleredp.com  Sun Nov 20 10:57:35 2022
From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 09:57:35 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] D-Rings for trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNjF3RHnnORBYn_VGaHiw_su3w8F=WbkT0HYVVOPf6HrQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <18496303e98.284e.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com>

I just buy from Home Depot and check the welds but my requirements aren't 
severe.

John.

On November 20, 2022 05:08:37 Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to add a few attachment points to my trailer.  A surface mount 
> D-ring or four looks like the answer.  I'm looking for something that isn't 
> made from fake metal with a xenophobic name ...
>
> Can anyone recommend a brand name that I can depend on to meet the claimed 
> specs?  I found one such that looks promising, but I rely on the group mind 
> for information and reassurance.
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 12:19:35 2022
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 13:19:35 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] D-Rings for trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNjF3RHnnORBYn_VGaHiw_su3w8F=WbkT0HYVVOPf6HrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Q7CNjF3RHnnORBYn_VGaHiw_su3w8F=WbkT0HYVVOPf6HrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YB2zFR6E5Xw5fb47mYSEg5UQhCPJJ_32MUTc7GFG_H2xg@mail.gmail.com>

I found some good quality D-Rings at the local farm store.
https://www.theisens.com/products/straps-and-tie-down-anchors-3-x-3-surface-mounted-tie-down-d-ring-3-600-lbs-clear-zinc/83742/
I have had these on my trailer for more than 15 years and they are still in
good shape.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:12 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> I need to add a few attachment points to my trailer.  A surface mount
> D-ring or four looks like the answer.  I'm looking for something that isn't
> made from fake metal with a xenophobic name ...
>
> Can anyone recommend a brand name that I can depend on to meet the claimed
> specs?  I found one such that looks promising, but I rely on the group mind
> for information and reassurance.
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From jniolon at att.net  Sun Nov 20 13:35:24 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 14:35:24 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] D-Rings for trailer
In-Reply-To: <18496303e98.284e.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com>
References: <CAO8Q7CNjF3RHnnORBYn_VGaHiw_su3w8F=WbkT0HYVVOPf6HrQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <18496303e98.284e.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com>
Message-ID: <1Uc09u8QLL.25Cmt2DC0x7@johns-desktop>

this is what I use (along with the welding on stake pockets on the outside of 
the trailer? I have about 6 on each side and a couple in the middle line of the 
trailer
the trailer came with two and I added three more to tie down my truck

 



 

----- Original Message -----
From: John Miller <jem at milleredp.com>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>, <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 11/20/2022 11:57:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] D-Rings for trailer



I just buy from Home Depot and check the welds but my requirements 
aren't severe.


John.


On November 20, 2022 05:08:37 Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
I need to add a few attachment points to my trailer.  A surface mount D-ring or four looks like the answer.  I'm 
looking for something that isn't made from fake metal with a xenophobic name ... 


Can anyone recommend a brand name that I can depend on to meet the claimed specs?  I found one such that looks promising, but I rely on the group mind for information and reassurance.
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Sun Nov 20 15:12:30 2022
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:12:30 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] D-Rings for trailer
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Don't know if this is a reliable method, but I purchased mine, the last 
time I needed some, from a trailer supply dealer. It has seemed to work 
out, never had an issue with their strength and durability. But that 
"last time" was more than 15 years ago.

On 11/20/2022 7:59 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> I need to add a few attachment points to my trailer.? A surface mount 
> D-ring or four looks like the answer. I'm looking for something that 
> isn't made from fake metal with a xenophobic name ...
>
> Can anyone recommend a brand name that I can depend on to meet the 
> claimed specs?? I found one such that looks promising, but I rely on 
> the group mind for information and reassurance.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 16:41:50 2022
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:41:50 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] D-Rings for trailer
In-Reply-To: <0f30693e-12a1-9e73-6bec-1d159af03b17@snet.net>
References: <CAO8Q7CNjF3RHnnORBYn_VGaHiw_su3w8F=WbkT0HYVVOPf6HrQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMHhs6d9hcCZBGKyhyBcbhXjer96V23VAphtxuZrkt5rUFa3JQ@mail.gmail.com>

McMaster-Carr
Northern Tool
eTrailer
Home Depot
Lowes (Probably)
Local Trailer fab shop?

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 5:09 PM Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:

> Don't know if this is a reliable method, but I purchased mine, the last
> time I needed some, from a trailer supply dealer. It has seemed to work
> out, never had an issue with their strength and durability. But that "last
> time" was more than 15 years ago.
>
> On 11/20/2022 7:59 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>
> I need to add a few attachment points to my trailer.  A surface mount
> D-ring or four looks like the answer.  I'm looking for something that isn't
> made from fake metal with a xenophobic name ...
>
> Can anyone recommend a brand name that I can depend on to meet the claimed
> specs?  I found one such that looks promising, but I rely on the group mind
> for information and reassurance.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From peterwmurray at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 19:11:07 2022
From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:11:07 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <b4d5c640-d0ec-f6bd-5386-74d8f7bc0e2e@talktalk.net>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
 <b4d5c640-d0ec-f6bd-5386-74d8f7bc0e2e@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ8HLP-YhBxzHL8APxgkiZjHneesOa=HLKRT_ST93=fkk8DArQ@mail.gmail.com>

With a Mac mini in my shop, I've been using iMovie to edit videos, largely
church services for YouTube, but personal stuff too.

You can also use the GoPro Quik app to do video editing, and that's both
Windows and Mac.

If you're making these videos available for remote viewers, you should look
at hosting them somewhere. You may be able to use something like YouTube if
there aren't any copyright issues. I don't know if YouTube would treat them
differently if they were unlisted (and you are sending out the link). There
are also Rumble, Vimeo, and if use the right version of Office 365, you may
be able to use their Stream platform.

-Peter

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 1:14 PM Neil Sherry <neiljsherry at talktalk.net>
wrote:

> I use the Windows Photo app - will open the movie and then allow you to
> whiz through and find where you want to trim and save as a new file.
>
> Neil
> On 20/11/2022 12:02, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>
> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>
> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from movies
> and other video training aids.
>
> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2 hour
> videos.  Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning of a
> clip and such.
>
> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be able
> to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't send
> 1 gig files.
>
> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files.  These are
> often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have some
> 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>
> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to save
> the cropped file.
>
> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video files?
> Bonus if it's free.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moose
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 21:06:49 2022
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:06:49 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <CAJ8HLP-YhBxzHL8APxgkiZjHneesOa=HLKRT_ST93=fkk8DArQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
 <b4d5c640-d0ec-f6bd-5386-74d8f7bc0e2e@talktalk.net>
 <CAJ8HLP-YhBxzHL8APxgkiZjHneesOa=HLKRT_ST93=fkk8DArQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6eCUn74ULdi8yvFEWD8+koDN9Sn+LP==kRZ+44TxCFMbg@mail.gmail.com>

I've been in the film/video business since the mid '80s when we were still
literally shooting cutting dual system film then editing mixing the picture
and sound using mixing stages. Did my first digital sound edit/mix while I
was working for the Navy in DC and put my first non-linear editing setup
together in around '97. I shudder a bit to think what I spent on that rig!

These days I do most of my heavy video editing in DeVinci Resolve which is
WAY overkill for what it sounds like you want to do. For your situation I
really like Topaz Labs Video Enhance AI a lot, if your computer has the
power to run it. Right now it's on sale for $160. Not only can you do cuts
editing, you can also use the AI (artificial intelligence) features to
clean up and enhance the video quality. And It's easy to trim clips to the
individual frame level. Topaz Labs has a bunch of excellent. I run a mix of
Macs and DIY PC, doing most of the Topaz Labs stuff on a fairly new Ryzen 7
build with an older nVidia (soon to be replaced) graphics card because
Topaz optimized the app for nVidia GPUs.

You can D/L free trial versions of any of TLs apps.

HTH,
Ron

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 9:23 PM Peter Murray <peterwmurray at gmail.com> wrote:

> With a Mac mini in my shop, I've been using iMovie to edit videos, largely
> church services for YouTube, but personal stuff too.
>
> You can also use the GoPro Quik app to do video editing, and that's both
> Windows and Mac.
>
> If you're making these videos available for remote viewers, you should
> look at hosting them somewhere. You may be able to use something like
> YouTube if there aren't any copyright issues. I don't know if YouTube would
> treat them differently if they were unlisted (and you are sending out the
> link). There are also Rumble, Vimeo, and if use the right version of Office
> 365, you may be able to use their Stream platform.
>
> -Peter
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 1:14 PM Neil Sherry <neiljsherry at talktalk.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I use the Windows Photo app - will open the movie and then allow you to
>> whiz through and find where you want to trim and save as a new file.
>>
>> Neil
>> On 20/11/2022 12:02, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>>
>> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>>
>> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from movies
>> and other video training aids.
>>
>> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2
>> hour videos.  Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning
>> of a clip and such.
>>
>> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be
>> able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't
>> send 1 gig files.
>>
>> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files.  These are
>> often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have some
>> 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>>
>> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to save
>> the cropped file.
>>
>> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video
>> files?  Bonus if it's free.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Moose
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
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>>
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>>
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 13:37:36 2022
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:37:36 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6eCUn74ULdi8yvFEWD8+koDN9Sn+LP==kRZ+44TxCFMbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OFC86D7AD9.7846A48C-ON85258900.004197B7-85258900.0042305D@mail.megageek.com>
 <b4d5c640-d0ec-f6bd-5386-74d8f7bc0e2e@talktalk.net>
 <CAJ8HLP-YhBxzHL8APxgkiZjHneesOa=HLKRT_ST93=fkk8DArQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMHhs6eCUn74ULdi8yvFEWD8+koDN9Sn+LP==kRZ+44TxCFMbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMHhs6cPu5REApTe7p6zAE_90BTHERz_uDfE87=v0rZrOKq6BA@mail.gmail.com>

This video just popped up on YouTube. I haven't tested it myself, but
Cristina's YouTube channel is one of my favorites. I initially found it
looking for Starlink information. I'm definitely going to check it out for
my own use.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMYOjMNKhZg)

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 10:06 PM Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been in the film/video business since the mid '80s when we were still
> literally shooting cutting dual system film then editing mixing the picture
> and sound using mixing stages. Did my first digital sound edit/mix while I
> was working for the Navy in DC and put my first non-linear editing setup
> together in around '97. I shudder a bit to think what I spent on that rig!
>
> These days I do most of my heavy video editing in DeVinci Resolve which is
> WAY overkill for what it sounds like you want to do. For your situation I
> really like Topaz Labs Video Enhance AI a lot, if your computer has the
> power to run it. Right now it's on sale for $160. Not only can you do cuts
> editing, you can also use the AI (artificial intelligence) features to
> clean up and enhance the video quality. And It's easy to trim clips to the
> individual frame level. Topaz Labs has a bunch of excellent. I run a mix of
> Macs and DIY PC, doing most of the Topaz Labs stuff on a fairly new Ryzen 7
> build with an older nVidia (soon to be replaced) graphics card because
> Topaz optimized the app for nVidia GPUs.
>
> You can D/L free trial versions of any of TLs apps.
>
> HTH,
> Ron
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 9:23 PM Peter Murray <peterwmurray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> With a Mac mini in my shop, I've been using iMovie to edit videos,
>> largely church services for YouTube, but personal stuff too.
>>
>> You can also use the GoPro Quik app to do video editing, and that's both
>> Windows and Mac.
>>
>> If you're making these videos available for remote viewers, you should
>> look at hosting them somewhere. You may be able to use something like
>> YouTube if there aren't any copyright issues. I don't know if YouTube would
>> treat them differently if they were unlisted (and you are sending out the
>> link). There are also Rumble, Vimeo, and if use the right version of Office
>> 365, you may be able to use their Stream platform.
>>
>> -Peter
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 1:14 PM Neil Sherry <neiljsherry at talktalk.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the Windows Photo app - will open the movie and then allow you to
>>> whiz through and find where you want to trim and save as a new file.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>> On 20/11/2022 12:02, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>>>
>>> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from movies
>>> and other video training aids.
>>>
>>> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2
>>> hour videos.  Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning
>>> of a clip and such.
>>>
>>> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be
>>> able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't
>>> send 1 gig files.
>>>
>>> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files.  These are
>>> often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have some
>>> 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>>>
>>> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to
>>> save the cropped file.
>>>
>>> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video
>>> files?  Bonus if it's free.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Moose
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry at talktalk.net
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From: peterwmurray at gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 08:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Video editing help
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6cPu5REApTe7p6zAE_90BTHERz_uDfE87=v0rZrOKq6BA@mail.gmail.com>
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Ronnie-

[engage thread drift]
Any questions I might be able to answer about Starlink? I have a base
station and was quite impressed with its performance when I had it active
this summer at my second shop location.

-Peter

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 4:19 PM Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:

> This video just popped up on YouTube. I haven't tested it myself, but
> Cristina's YouTube channel is one of my favorites. I initially found it
> looking for Starlink information. I'm definitely going to check it out for
> my own use.
>
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMYOjMNKhZg)
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 10:06 PM Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been in the film/video business since the mid '80s when we were
>> still literally shooting cutting dual system film then editing mixing the
>> picture and sound using mixing stages. Did my first digital sound edit/mix
>> while I was working for the Navy in DC and put my first non-linear editing
>> setup together in around '97. I shudder a bit to think what I spent on that
>> rig!
>>
>> These days I do most of my heavy video editing in DeVinci Resolve which
>> is WAY overkill for what it sounds like you want to do. For your situation
>> I really like Topaz Labs Video Enhance AI a lot, if your computer has the
>> power to run it. Right now it's on sale for $160. Not only can you do cuts
>> editing, you can also use the AI (artificial intelligence) features to
>> clean up and enhance the video quality. And It's easy to trim clips to the
>> individual frame level. Topaz Labs has a bunch of excellent. I run a mix of
>> Macs and DIY PC, doing most of the Topaz Labs stuff on a fairly new Ryzen 7
>> build with an older nVidia (soon to be replaced) graphics card because
>> Topaz optimized the app for nVidia GPUs.
>>
>> You can D/L free trial versions of any of TLs apps.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Ron
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 9:23 PM Peter Murray <peterwmurray at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With a Mac mini in my shop, I've been using iMovie to edit videos,
>>> largely church services for YouTube, but personal stuff too.
>>>
>>> You can also use the GoPro Quik app to do video editing, and that's both
>>> Windows and Mac.
>>>
>>> If you're making these videos available for remote viewers, you should
>>> look at hosting them somewhere. You may be able to use something like
>>> YouTube if there aren't any copyright issues. I don't know if YouTube would
>>> treat them differently if they were unlisted (and you are sending out the
>>> link). There are also Rumble, Vimeo, and if use the right version of Office
>>> 365, you may be able to use their Stream platform.
>>>
>>> -Peter
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 1:14 PM Neil Sherry <neiljsherry at talktalk.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use the Windows Photo app - will open the movie and then allow you to
>>>> whiz through and find where you want to trim and save as a new file.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>> On 20/11/2022 12:02, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know this isn't 100% shop talk related, but stick with me.
>>>>
>>>> I am an instructor in the Army and I often have to use clips from
>>>> movies and other video training aids.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is, many of these 2 or 3 minute clips are embedding in 1 or 2
>>>> hour videos.  Meaning I spend lots of time finding the actually beginning
>>>> of a clip and such.
>>>>
>>>> Also, now that we are doing more virtual training, I would love to be
>>>> able to send out the videos so students can watch them locally, but I can't
>>>> send 1 gig files.
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for a video editor that can 'crop' videos files.  These
>>>> are often compressed files (.mp4) so I understand that I may have to have
>>>> some 'extra' footage that the beginning, and that is fine.
>>>>
>>>> But what I see is often I have to wait for the entire play length to
>>>> save the cropped file.
>>>>
>>>> Is there an editor out that that can quickly and easily crop video
>>>> files?  Bonus if it's free.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Moose
>>>>
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Wed Nov 23 06:51:10 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 08:51:10 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?
Message-ID: <A7EB544E-AEE2-4491-9246-DD895544F09A@groupwbench.org>

Apologies if I've asked this before, I can't find any emails from it. I rent a basement apartment with a sewage ejection pump. When the weather gets cold, it stinks, almost exclusively while I'm in the shower. After many investigations and lots of thought, I think there's a leak in the vent side. As the catchment tank fills up, the air above the liquid can't push the cold slug of air in the vent pipe, so it exits through the leak. 

A plumber has been here 3 times, and yesterday replaced the noisy and banging backflow prevention valve, but either he's a nancy boy who doesn't wnt to dive any further down the waste side, or is clueless, because his excuse is that it's very hard to diagnose odors. Or maybe he's doing it for free as a friend of the landlord and doesn't want to create an all day job he won't get paid for.

I'd like send a large volume of visible air down the vent and see if it leaks out somewhere. I'm thinking I'd drill two small holes- one for a balloon which I'd inflate to seal the vent, and one below it for a smoke gun. Sound plausible? Better way to do this? Is there such a thing as a high volume smoke gun for consumer prices?

I've tried soapy water and smoke sticks to look for escaping air, but it was inconclusive; I think I need positive pressure inside the system. I suppose I could install a coupler in the vent and use the compressor and aforementioned smoke sticks, but I'm looking for a better plan A. 

thanks,
jim

From mbarre at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 07:50:55 2022
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 14:50:55 GMT
Subject: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?
Message-ID: <20221123.095055.23226.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

I had a similar issue in my shop where I have a small tank with pump to get sewage over a small hill before gravity takes over.  But in my case the vents are not up through the roofline so my approach was simply to flush the tank by running the tap for an extended period. I would only have the smell a couple of time a year.

if your vent line is in the wall, it will be interesting whether you could get the smoke to show itself.  I know smells can find a way through, not sure whether smoke has the same penetration...  Another potential solution is a small blower in the vent line...

Good luck and let us know how it plays out


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 08:51:10 -0500

Apologies if I've asked this before, I can't find any emails from it. I rent a basement apartment with a sewage ejection pump. When the weather gets cold, it stinks, almost exclusively while I'm in the shower. After many investigations and lots of thought, I think there's a leak in the vent side. As the catchment tank fills up, the air above the liquid can't push the cold slug of air in the vent pipe, so it exits through the leak. 

A plumber has been here 3 times, and yesterday replaced the noisy and banging backflow prevention valve, but either he's a nancy boy who doesn't wnt to dive any further down the waste side, or is clueless, because his excuse is that it's very hard to diagnose odors. Or maybe he's doing it for free as a friend of the landlord and doesn't want to create an all day job he won't get paid for.

I'd like send a large volume of visible air down the vent and see if it leaks out somewhere. I'm thinking I'd drill two small holes- one for a balloon which I'd inflate to seal the vent, and one below it for a smoke gun. Sound plausible? Better way to do this? Is there such a thing as a high volume smoke gun for consumer prices?

I've tried soapy water and smoke sticks to look for escaping air, but it was inconclusive; I think I need positive pressure inside the system. I suppose I could install a coupler in the vent and use the compressor and aforementioned smoke sticks, but I'm looking for a better plan A. 

thanks,
jim
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From GPD4 at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 07:53:44 2022
From: GPD4 at juno.com (George P. Dausch IV)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 09:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?
In-Reply-To: <A7EB544E-AEE2-4491-9246-DD895544F09A@groupwbench.org>
References: <A7EB544E-AEE2-4491-9246-DD895544F09A@groupwbench.org>
Message-ID: <D4BFE77A-A269-4611-972B-7247C7D09BC7@juno.com>

Interesting problem.  Did you ever think about pulling a vacuum on the roof or wherever it exits and working backward?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Apologies if I've asked this before, I can't find any emails from it. I rent a basement apartment with a sewage ejection pump. When the weather gets cold, it stinks, almost exclusively while I'm in the shower. After many investigations and lots of thought, I think there's a leak in the vent side. As the catchment tank fills up, the air above the liquid can't push the cold slug of air in the vent pipe, so it exits through the leak. 
> 
> A plumber has been here 3 times, and yesterday replaced the noisy and banging backflow prevention valve, but either he's a nancy boy who doesn't wnt to dive any further down the waste side, or is clueless, because his excuse is that it's very hard to diagnose odors. Or maybe he's doing it for free as a friend of the landlord and doesn't want to create an all day job he won't get paid for.
> 
> I'd like send a large volume of visible air down the vent and see if it leaks out somewhere. I'm thinking I'd drill two small holes- one for a balloon which I'd inflate to seal the vent, and one below it for a smoke gun. Sound plausible? Better way to do this? Is there such a thing as a high volume smoke gun for consumer prices?
> 
> I've tried soapy water and smoke sticks to look for escaping air, but it was inconclusive; I think I need positive pressure inside the system. I suppose I could install a coupler in the vent and use the compressor and aforementioned smoke sticks, but I'm looking for a better plan A. 
> 
> thanks,
> jim
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Wed Nov 23 09:03:33 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:03:33 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?
In-Reply-To: <D4BFE77A-A269-4611-972B-7247C7D09BC7@juno.com>
References: <A7EB544E-AEE2-4491-9246-DD895544F09A@groupwbench.org>
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Message-ID: <6BF64565-E6C8-44A7-BE98-27542AE909A8@groupwbench.org>

It's a rentral so all fun (!) tools and methodologies are out. 

jim

> On Nov 23, 2022, at 9:53 AM, George P. Dausch IV <GPD4 at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting problem.  Did you ever think about pulling a vacuum on the roof or wherever it exits and working backward?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Apologies if I've asked this before, I can't find any emails from it. I rent a basement apartment with a sewage ejection pump. When the weather gets cold, it stinks, almost exclusively while I'm in the shower. After many investigations and lots of thought, I think there's a leak in the vent side. As the catchment tank fills up, the air above the liquid can't push the cold slug of air in the vent pipe, so it exits through the leak. 
>> 
>> A plumber has been here 3 times, and yesterday replaced the noisy and banging backflow prevention valve, but either he's a nancy boy who doesn't wnt to dive any further down the waste side, or is clueless, because his excuse is that it's very hard to diagnose odors. Or maybe he's doing it for free as a friend of the landlord and doesn't want to create an all day job he won't get paid for.
>> 
>> I'd like send a large volume of visible air down the vent and see if it leaks out somewhere. I'm thinking I'd drill two small holes- one for a balloon which I'd inflate to seal the vent, and one below it for a smoke gun. Sound plausible? Better way to do this? Is there such a thing as a high volume smoke gun for consumer prices?
>> 
>> I've tried soapy water and smoke sticks to look for escaping air, but it was inconclusive; I think I need positive pressure inside the system. I suppose I could install a coupler in the vent and use the compressor and aforementioned smoke sticks, but I'm looking for a better plan A. 
>> 
>> thanks,
>> jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 23 09:58:48 2022
From: pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com (PJ McGarvey)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 16:58:48 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?
In-Reply-To: <D4BFE77A-A269-4611-972B-7247C7D09BC7@juno.com>
References: <A7EB544E-AEE2-4491-9246-DD895544F09A@groupwbench.org>
 <D4BFE77A-A269-4611-972B-7247C7D09BC7@juno.com>
Message-ID: <CY5PR19MB6338954B0CE55BE72365E92E9A0C9@CY5PR19MB6338.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I recently used a smoke generator powered by heating up mineral oil to detect vacuum leaks on my car. I think if you use enough mineral oil you can get enough smoke, but hard to say.  The kit I used was borrowed from a friend but you can find them for less than $100 on ebay.  For reference, one seller xfordguyx sells them as "Smoke Maker Pro - EVAP Machine Diagnostic Emissions Vacuum Leak Detection Tester". You can also make your own with a soldering iron as the heat source.

Just putting some light air pressure with a compressor, maybe 5 psi, should generate enough noise from air escaping to detect a leak. The bigger the leak, the more air pressure you might need.

PJ
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of George P. Dausch IV <GPD4 at juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2022 9:53 AM
To: Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?

Interesting problem.  Did you ever think about pulling a vacuum on the roof or wherever it exits and working backward?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
> ?Apologies if I've asked this before, I can't find any emails from it. I rent a basement apartment with a sewage ejection pump. When the weather gets cold, it stinks, almost exclusively while I'm in the shower. After many investigations and lots of thought, I think there's a leak in the vent side. As the catchment tank fills up, the air above the liquid can't push the cold slug of air in the vent pipe, so it exits through the leak.
>
> A plumber has been here 3 times, and yesterday replaced the noisy and banging backflow prevention valve, but either he's a nancy boy who doesn't wnt to dive any further down the waste side, or is clueless, because his excuse is that it's very hard to diagnose odors. Or maybe he's doing it for free as a friend of the landlord and doesn't want to create an all day job he won't get paid for.
>
> I'd like send a large volume of visible air down the vent and see if it leaks out somewhere. I'm thinking I'd drill two small holes- one for a balloon which I'd inflate to seal the vent, and one below it for a smoke gun. Sound plausible? Better way to do this? Is there such a thing as a high volume smoke gun for consumer prices?
>
> I've tried soapy water and smoke sticks to look for escaping air, but it was inconclusive; I think I need positive pressure inside the system. I suppose I could install a coupler in the vent and use the compressor and aforementioned smoke sticks, but I'm looking for a better plan A.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 23 15:03:13 2022
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 14:03:13 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Smoke gun for septic vent leak?
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For a bathroom renovation, I had to prove that all the new plumbing was 
airtight.? The plumber put an inflatable plug in the cleanout where the 
new drain joined the old and a cap with a hose connection on a 
convenient pipe - the toilet drain.

I filled the pipe with water until in came out the roof vent to show 
there were no leaks as all pipes were exposed.? When the inspector was 
checking two hours later, it helped that water came out the roof pipe 
within seconds.

Example plugs:
https://www.mcmaster.com/drain-pipe-plugs/air-and-water-inflatable-plugs-for-y-joints/
https://www.mcmaster.com/drain-pipe-plugs/air-inflatable-plugs-with-bypass/

This option would only work if you capped all the drains and had the 
pipes exposed.

Have you considered a clog in the vent side?? Maybe a bird tried to 
build a nest in the vent at the roof?

You might also want to consider an endoscope like 
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M5NJ4M8/ (this no longer 
available, but it is what I have).? Here are that brand's current products
https://smile.amazon.com/stores/page/369BBAA9-2EA4-45D3-B9E8-1A06EBB649C4

These are handy.? I don't recommend one over about 20 feet.? That is 
about the max length I could push through a A/C duct before it twisted 
too much.? You could feed the scope down the vent from the roof or a 
higher drain and look for anything obvious.? You can also feed it into 
the wall at an outlet box or light switch (outside the box, but under 
the face plate) if one happens to be in the stud bay with the vent/

Brian

On 11/23/2022 5:51 AM, Jim Franklin wrote:
> Apologies if I've asked this before, I can't find any emails from it. I rent a basement apartment with a sewage ejection pump. When the weather gets cold, it stinks, almost exclusively while I'm in the shower. After many investigations and lots of thought, I think there's a leak in the vent side. As the catchment tank fills up, the air above the liquid can't push the cold slug of air in the vent pipe, so it exits through the leak.
>
> A plumber has been here 3 times, and yesterday replaced the noisy and banging backflow prevention valve, but either he's a nancy boy who doesn't wnt to dive any further down the waste side, or is clueless, because his excuse is that it's very hard to diagnose odors. Or maybe he's doing it for free as a friend of the landlord and doesn't want to create an all day job he won't get paid for.
>
> I'd like send a large volume of visible air down the vent and see if it leaks out somewhere. I'm thinking I'd drill two small holes- one for a balloon which I'd inflate to seal the vent, and one below it for a smoke gun. Sound plausible? Better way to do this? Is there such a thing as a high volume smoke gun for consumer prices?
>
> I've tried soapy water and smoke sticks to look for escaping air, but it was inconclusive; I think I need positive pressure inside the system. I suppose I could install a coupler in the vent and use the compressor and aforementioned smoke sticks, but I'm looking for a better plan A.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Fri Nov 25 22:13:58 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 00:13:58 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1669439632.8844.shop-talk@autox.team.net>


I've got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw I'd like to put on some sort of
casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back 
into a corner
when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.

I've done some searching on-line and see one at Northern Tools:

https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31 


and several on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Locking-Telescopic-Furniture-Adjustable-STFD001/dp/B00ZW9P6BW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa 
300#

https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Adjustable-Multi-functional-Telescopic-Refrigerator/dp/B077CYXJBQ/ref=sr_1_6 
500#

https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31 
500#

In my search I've specifically said tool dolly.  But most of the items that
show up end up saying appliance dolly.

Anyone have any recommendations for a tool dolly.

John



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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 22:41:45 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 23:41:45 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 11:28 PM John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw I'd like to put on some sort of
> casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back
> into a corner
> when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.
>

"mobile base" is probably a better search term.  My table saw (and my
bandsaw) is one one of these:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PATV14A
Works great.  The table saw is on half of two of them, so I could have
all swiveling wheels; bora make a version that's all swivels, at the
time it was cheaper to buy two.

From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sat Nov 26 04:06:59 2022
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 06:06:59 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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When I had my Delta, I bought it with a rolling stand, pretty sure it was this one:

https://www.toolbarn.com/products/delta-50-289?variant=40162672967877&gclid=Cj0KCQiAj4ecBhD3ARIsAM4Q_jH80AU9aYEcLlbA0dqT8lhO1AdSFSfCJFW4m2T5EeyYKdJap8iPj8kaAtYTEALw_wcB <https://www.toolbarn.com/products/delta-50-289?variant=40162672967877&gclid=Cj0KCQiAj4ecBhD3ARIsAM4Q_jH80AU9aYEcLlbA0dqT8lhO1AdSFSfCJFW4m2T5EeyYKdJap8iPj8kaAtYTEALw_wcB>

I assume a mfg's accessory isn't an option here? Even if not, there might be more targeted applications on their sites. 

Rockler is a good place for woodworking stuff, and this one is surprisingly cheap for them:

https://www.rockler.com/power-tool-mobile-base-hardware?country=US&sid=V91040&promo=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=pla&utm_campaign=PL&gclid=Cj0KCQiAj4ecBhD3ARIsAM4Q_jGGi-dl1iwNhbFVpCwDVQC40sSU11DBSfLKbFMc6C-zDUKr7-zEfA0aAoU0EALw_wcB <https://www.rockler.com/power-tool-mobile-base-hardware?country=US&sid=V91040&promo=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=pla&utm_campaign=PL&gclid=Cj0KCQiAj4ecBhD3ARIsAM4Q_jGGi-dl1iwNhbFVpCwDVQC40sSU11DBSfLKbFMc6C-zDUKr7-zEfA0aAoU0EALw_wcB>

jim

> On Nov 26, 2022, at 12:13 AM, John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw I'd like to put on some sort of
> casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back into a corner
> when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.
> 
> I've done some searching on-line and see one at Northern Tools:
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31 
> 
> and several on Amazon
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Locking-Telescopic-Furniture-Adjustable-STFD001/dp/B00ZW9P6BW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa 300#
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Adjustable-Multi-functional-Telescopic-Refrigerator/dp/B077CYXJBQ/ref=sr_1_6 500#
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31 500#
> 
> In my search I've specifically said tool dolly.  But most of the items that
> show up end up saying appliance dolly.
> 
> Anyone have any recommendations for a tool dolly.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
> 
>          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                       65 Rambler Classic
> 
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
> 
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From eric at megageek.com  Sat Nov 26 04:37:04 2022
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 06:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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This is the one that I got for my very large (and top heavy) drill press.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PATV14A

They come in different sizes and weights.  It works AMAZINGLY!  Super easy 
to flip wheel up or down and moves smoothly.

Moose
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 05:22:39 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 07:22:39 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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I might look at a place like Rockler, if only to see what's available and
what you might call it for the purpose of a wider search .

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 00:30 John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

>
> I've got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw I'd like to put on some sort
> of
> casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back
> into a corner
> when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.
>
> I've done some searching on-line and see one at Northern Tools:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
>
>
> and several on Amazon
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Locking-Telescopic-Furniture-Adjustable-STFD001/dp/B00ZW9P6BW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
> 300#
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Adjustable-Multi-functional-Telescopic-Refrigerator/dp/B077CYXJBQ/ref=sr_1_6
> 500#
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
> 500#
>
> In my search I've specifically said tool dolly.  But most of the items that
> show up end up saying appliance dolly.
>
> Anyone have any recommendations for a tool dolly.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
>            48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>       75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                         65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>
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>       In God We Trust
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>                    oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 06:44:47 2022
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 08:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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Search Table Saw Mobile Base. There are contractor style or cabinet style
models. I have one under my old Powermatic table saw. I don't know what it
weighs but when we loaded it into my '54 Chevy 3100 ("1/2 ton" pickup) the
rear end squatted down almost to the bump stops.

EjR

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 12:17 AM John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

>
> I've got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw I'd like to put on some sort
> of
> casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back
> into a corner
> when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.
>
> I've done some searching on-line and see one at Northern Tools:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
>
>
> and several on Amazon
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Locking-Telescopic-Furniture-Adjustable-STFD001/dp/B00ZW9P6BW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
> 300#
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Adjustable-Multi-functional-Telescopic-Refrigerator/dp/B077CYXJBQ/ref=sr_1_6
> 500#
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
> 500#
>
> In my search I've specifically said tool dolly.  But most of the items that
> show up end up saying appliance dolly.
>
> Anyone have any recommendations for a tool dolly.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
>            48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>       75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                         65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>
> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>
>  From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>       e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>       In God We Trust
>       Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>                    oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>
>
>
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From doug at dougbraun.com  Sat Nov 26 07:24:00 2022
From: doug at dougbraun.com (Doug Braun)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 09:24:00 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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Those Amazon models look pretty plasticky - I double they would survive a
400 lb. tool, especially the $23 model.

I have two of this Bora model: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PATV14A.
One holds my bandsaw, and the other my mini-mill and
the chest of drawers (full of tools) it stands on.  They work great, and my
mini-mill setup probably weighs 400 lb.

Doug

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 7:33 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> I might look at a place like Rockler, if only to see what's available and
> what you might call it for the purpose of a wider search .
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 00:30 John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw I'd like to put on some
>> sort of
>> casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back
>> into a corner
>> when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.
>>
>> I've done some searching on-line and see one at Northern Tools:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
>>
>>
>> and several on Amazon
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Locking-Telescopic-Furniture-Adjustable-STFD001/dp/B00ZW9P6BW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
>> 300#
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Adjustable-Multi-functional-Telescopic-Refrigerator/dp/B077CYXJBQ/ref=sr_1_6
>> 500#
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
>> 500#
>>
>> In my search I've specifically said tool dolly.  But most of the items
>> that
>> show up end up saying appliance dolly.
>>
>> Anyone have any recommendations for a tool dolly.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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From stearman809 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 07:39:51 2022
From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 08:39:51 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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You want strong and stable plus good locking in place when you're cutting.  
That's going to be a top heavy machine to drag around.   We laminated two 
thicknesses of 3/4 maple plywood and installed casters at the corners - 2 
fixed and two steerable, able to lock up easily from the front.  The maple 
plywood was something we had readily available as cut offs from work (a 
lifetime ago).  Super strong and rigid.  The base is a few inches larger 
than the base of the cabinet, with the contact points of the casters around 
the edges of the cabinet.

Were I to do it over I'd make the movie base significantly larger than the 
base cabinet of the Unisaw and use 5 or 6 inch casters. The wider base 
would slightly increase the floor space it takes (I push a scrap barrel, 
etc under it when it's stored), but make it safer to roll across large 
expansion joints, while larger casters would also help with uneven surfaces 
and raise the saw slightly, which I wouldn't mind as I'm tall.


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From jniolon at att.net  Sat Nov 26 07:50:45 2022
From: jniolon at att.net (john)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 08:50:45 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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I'm like Doug...never had much success with "plasticky" stuff with questionable wheels...
 
I'd 
invest in some good bearing wheels or at least metal bushings of adequate 
size...( the larger the wheel...the easier it will roll) giving  consideration 
to how much 
it's going to raise my work surface.
good wheels will cost as much as the "land of almost right" platform
 
I'd 
either find a suitably sized pallet or build a substantial  wood frame and bolt 
on the wheels.  
The wheels could be recessed some to reduce the height and it would also limit 
its tendency to tip if you hit something on the floor.
 
depending on your collections of scraps and drops..the cost of the wheels might 
be your only expense
john

 



 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Braun <doug at dougbraun.com>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>, <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 11/26/2022 8:24:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly





Those Amazon models look pretty plasticky - I double they would survive a 400 
lb. tool, especially the $23 model.


I have two of this Bora model: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PATV14A.  
One holds my bandsaw, and the other my mini-mill and
the chest of drawers (full of tools) it stands on.  They work great, and my 
mini-mill setup probably weighs 400 lb.


Doug



On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 7:33 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

I might look at a place like Rockler, if only to see 
what's available and what you might call it for the purpose of a wider search .


On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 00:30 John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:


I've 
got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw 
I'd like to put on some sort of
casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back 
into a corner
when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.

I've 
done some searching on-line and see one at Northern Tools:

https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-
STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31 


and several on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Locking-Telescopic-Furniture-Adjustable-
STFD001/dp/B00ZW9P6BW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa 
300#

https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Adjustable-Multi-functional-Telescopic-
Refrigerator/dp/B077CYXJBQ/ref=sr_1_6 
500#

https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-
STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31 
500#

In my search I've specifically said tool dolly.  But most of the items that
show up end up saying appliance dolly.

Anyone have any recommendations for a tool dolly.

John
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sat Nov 26 10:46:17 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:46:17 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 15:12:48 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:12:48 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:16 AM john <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm like Doug...never had much success with "plasticky" stuff with questionable wheels...
>
> I'd invest in some good bearing wheels or at least metal bushings of adequate size...( the larger the wheel...the easier it will roll) giving  consideration to how much it's going to raise my work surface.
> good wheels will cost as much as the "land of almost right" platform
>
> I'd either find a suitably sized pallet or build a substantial  wood frame and bolt on the wheels.

Mobile bases for table saws are a problem that's well solved by
commercial offerings.  Unless you have a supply of salvaged casters,
materials to build one are going to cost nearly the same as buying
one, and commercial bases have a number of features that make them
much better than most shop-built stands
(most notably, completely unloading the wheels when the saw is in
use.)  Don't get me wrong, I love shop built tooling, but i'd save my
energy for solving unique problems, and not ones shared by everyone
with a table saw.



> The wheels could be recessed some to reduce the height and it would also limit its tendency to tip if you hit something on the floor.
>
> depending on your collections of scraps and drops..the cost of the wheels might be your only expense
> john
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Braun <doug at dougbraun.com>
> To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>, <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Sent: 11/26/2022 8:24:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
> ________________________________
>
> Those Amazon models look pretty plasticky - I double they would survive a 400 lb. tool, especially the $23 model.
>
> I have two of this Bora model: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PATV14A.  One holds my bandsaw, and the other my mini-mill and
> the chest of drawers (full of tools) it stands on.  They work great, and my mini-mill setup probably weighs 400 lb.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 7:33 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I might look at a place like Rockler, if only to see what's available and what you might call it for the purpose of a wider search .
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 00:30 John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a heavy, about 300 - 400 lb tablesaw I'd like to put on some sort of
>>> casters so I can easily move it around in the shop.  Push it back
>>> into a corner
>>> when not in use, roll it out into an open space to use, them push it back.
>>>
>>> I've done some searching on-line and see one at Northern Tools:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
>>>
>>>
>>> and several on Amazon
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Locking-Telescopic-Furniture-Adjustable-STFD001/dp/B00ZW9P6BW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
>>> 300#
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Ogrmar-Adjustable-Multi-functional-Telescopic-Refrigerator/dp/B077CYXJBQ/ref=sr_1_6
>>> 500#
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/SPACECARE-Telescopic-Furniture-Locking-Adjustable-STFD002/dp/B010UYRHRY/ref=sr_1_31
>>> 500#
>>>
>>> In my search I've specifically said tool dolly.  But most of the items that
>>> show up end up saying appliance dolly.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any recommendations for a tool dolly.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Sat Nov 26 15:42:36 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:42:36 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1669502561.8844.shop-talk@autox.team.net>


Thanks to everyone that replied.  Got some very good advise and ideas.

Yes, I agree, I didn't like the plastic corners on the items I was 
looking at.  I guess
I was getting those due to my search string.  The "Mobile base" did 
work alot better.

I like the Bora bases.

Anyone have any input on 2 vs 4 swivel casters?  I think the 4 would 
be better,
but then you've got 4 wheels that you have to raise or lower.

I'm supprised that someone hasn't come up with a cross bar to go across the 2
swivel casters.  But then you couldn't steer them. :)



John



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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 20:33:35 2022
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 21:33:35 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
In-Reply-To: <20221127002902.2A116A013B@autox.team.net>
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 6:29 PM John T. Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

>
>
> I like the Bora bases.
>
> Anyone have any input on 2 vs 4 swivel casters?  I think the 4 would be
> better,
> but then you've got 4 wheels that you have to raise or lower.
>


For lots of poeple two  swivels will work just fine.  IT comes down to 'do
you need to push it sideways and back-forth, or just back and forth?"  In
my case, my saw is stored in a corner of the garage, with stuff around it.
to get it out, I need to move it right, then away from the back wall, and
then swivel it 90 degrees.  Impossible to do with two swivels, but pretty
straightforward with four. (as  I mentioned, I put two kits together to
make that happen, biut there are kits with four swivels)   I only lock two
of the wheels in storage, but do all four in use, easy enough to do with
the toe of a boot.  my band saw is on a two swivel base, because it just
gets pushed against the wall.


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From pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 27 07:02:53 2022
From: pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com (PJ McGarvey)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 14:02:53 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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I?ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my own car where the wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where it gets disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same spot on my car.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap

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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sun Nov 27 10:54:28 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 17:54:28 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was gone.
________________________________
From: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: header wrap

I?ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my own car where the wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where it gets disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same spot on my car.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM
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Anyone ever seen or heard of header wrap disintegrating?

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From pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 27 11:31:33 2022
From: pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com (PJ McGarvey)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:31:33 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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I think it does loosen up as it heat-cycles which is why you wrap it fairly tight. It most likely just fell off.
________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:54:28 PM
To: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: header wrap

I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was gone.
________________________________
From: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: header wrap

I?ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my own car where the wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where it gets disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same spot on my car.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM
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Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap

Anyone ever seen or heard of header wrap disintegrating?

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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sun Nov 27 11:34:24 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:34:24 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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Some of it was there, just pieces, still held on place by the can. Totally stumped.
________________________________
From: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:31 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: header wrap

I think it does loosen up as it heat-cycles which is why you wrap it fairly tight. It most likely just fell off.
________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:54:28 PM
To: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: header wrap

I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was gone.
________________________________
From: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: header wrap

I?ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my own car where the wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where it gets disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same spot on my car.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap

Anyone ever seen or heard of header wrap disintegrating?

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From neiljsherry at talktalk.net  Sun Nov 27 11:57:12 2022
From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (Neil Sherry)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:57:12 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it - not 
surprised it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration (relatively low 
frequency) as well as the noise frequencies you were blocking - that 
energy had to go somewhere...

Neil

On 27/11/2022 17:54, Tim . wrote:
> I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an 
> exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose 
> clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud 
> again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and just 
> about all the wrap was gone.
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From stearman809 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 12:45:50 2022
From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 13:45:50 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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You need to put metal down over the holes first.  The fire in the exhaust 
will burn and degrade the wrap material if it's directly in contact.  The 
wrap depends on metal to take the brunt of the actual fire - then it'll 
further insulate the pipe.

On November 27, 2022 12:35:19 PM "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
> I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust 
> pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It 
> worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I 
> pulled the can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was gone.
>
> From: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM
> To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: header wrap
> I?ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my own car where the 
> wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where it gets 
> disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same spot on my 
> car.
>
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . 
> <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM
> To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
> Anyone ever seen or heard of header wrap disintegrating?
>
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From stearman809 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 15:36:49 2022
From: stearman809 at gmail.com (Karl Vacek)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 16:36:49 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp voltage
Message-ID: <184bb3c67e8.2806.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com>

Shop content - as soon as I get the Christmas tree done I can go back to 
the shop and work on something.

We have many strings of Christmas lights on the tree.  Almost all are 30 
year old plus Silvestri 35-light series strings.  Silvestri calls for 3.5 
volt replacement bulbs.  Replacement bulbs were getting scarce locally so I 
ordered some from an Amazon seller, and some from a place that specializes 
in hard to find items.  They're of two brands, all 3.5 volt for 35-light 
sets.  Every one I install lights for a second and burns out immediately.  
They don't look overly bright as if they were for a lower voltage.  Once 
burned out the string still stays lit because they have the same jumper as 
the originals.

What am I missing?

Thanks !
Karl
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sun Nov 27 17:42:10 2022
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:42:10 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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Thanks Neil. This is down stream of the flex pipe that is still in perfect condition. Does your reply still make sense then? (not trying to be a troll, just try to save money on a car that is approaching the end of reliable DD.)

Thanks Karl. Same question to you: Does your reply still make sense since I am down stream of the exhaust manifold?

Again, thanks all for the replies. Just trying to extend the life of a car that needs a lot of electrical work that I cannot even begin to do myself.
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Neil Sherry <neiljsherry at talktalk.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:57 PM
To: shop-talk at autox.team.net <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] header wrap


Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it - not surprised it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration (relatively low frequency) as well as the noise frequencies you were blocking - that energy had to go somewhere...

Neil

On 27/11/2022 17:54, Tim . wrote:
I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was gone.
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sun Nov 27 20:17:07 2022
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:17:07 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp voltage
In-Reply-To: <184bb3c67e8.2806.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com>
References: <184bb3c67e8.2806.cd27845553c78383775132770b7455be@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61FC7716-FC76-41D6-8A47-BC7EED6910E9@icloud.com>

Karl, just for grins try replacing all the lamps in one series circuit with ones of the new types & see if they work. It may be that even though the lamps are rated for 3.5v that they are rated for lower current than the original ones, which would cause the new lamps to drop more voltage than the older lamps when mixed. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 27, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Karl Vacek <stearman809 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Shop content - as soon as I get the Christmas tree done I can go back to the shop and work on something.

We have many strings of Christmas lights on the tree.  Almost all are 30 year old plus Silvestri 35-light series strings.  Silvestri calls for 3.5 volt replacement bulbs.  Replacement bulbs were getting scarce locally so I ordered some from an Amazon seller, and some from a place that specializes in hard to find items.  They're of two brands, all 3.5 volt for 35-light sets.  Every one I install lights for a second and burns out immediately.  They don't look overly bright as if they were for a lower voltage.  Once burned out the string still stays lit because they have the same jumper as the originals.

What am I missing?

Thanks !
Karl
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From neiljsherry at talktalk.net  Mon Nov 28 02:28:42 2022
From: neiljsherry at talktalk.net (Neil Sherry)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 09:28:42 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap
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Hi Tim,

I agree with Karl - definitely not the right thing to fix a hole - your 
tin can would be better employed straight on the hole, if you can't do a 
welded repair. And there will be vibration in the pipe - flexipipe is 
mainly to cope with rocking back and forth of the engine as power goes 
on and off.

Neil


On 28/11/2022 00:42, Tim . wrote:
> Thanks?Neil. This is down stream of the flex pipe that is still in 
> perfect condition. Does your reply still make sense then? (not trying 
> to be a troll, just try to save money on a car that is approaching the 
> end of reliable DD.)
>
> Thanks?Karl. Same question to you: Does your reply still make sense 
> since I am down stream of the exhaust manifold?
>
> Again, thanks?all for the replies. Just trying to extend the life of a 
> car that needs a lot of electrical work that I cannot even begin to do 
> myself.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Neil 
> Sherry <neiljsherry at talktalk.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:57 PM
> *To:* shop-talk at autox.team.net <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] header wrap
>
> Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it - not 
> surprised it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration (relatively 
> low frequency) as well as the noise frequencies you were blocking - 
> that energy had to go somewhere...
>
> Neil
>
> On 27/11/2022 17:54, Tim . wrote:
>> I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an 
>> exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and 
>> hose clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get 
>> loud again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and 
>> just about all the wrap was gone.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org  Mon Nov 28 07:22:25 2022
From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 09:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Lamp voltage
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3.5V x 35 lights in series = 122V so that part looks right.

1. How does the resistance of the new bulbs compare to the original 
(working) bulbs?

2. Might be worthwhile to feed 3.5V from a bench power supply across a 
fresh bulb to see if it burns out just as quickly as when plugged into 
the string.? You could also use batteries but it might be trickier to 
hit 3.5V.? Three NiMH batteries in series would yield 3.6V which ought 
to be close enough but you have to be careful not to use them straight 
off the charger since initially they'll be at 1.4V per cell.

3. You said you didn't notice the new bulbs overly bright before they 
burn out.? I wonder if they're really burned out or if the shunt at the 
bottom of the bulbs are for some reason causing a premature short 
circuit?? Using a magnifying glass, can you tell if the filaments are 
really separated?

J


On 11/27/22 17:36, Karl Vacek wrote:
> Shop content - as soon as I get the Christmas tree done I can go back 
> to the shop and work on something.
>
> We have many strings of Christmas lights on the tree. Almost all are 
> 30 year old plus Silvestri 35-light series strings.? Silvestri calls 
> for 3.5 volt replacement bulbs.? Replacement bulbs were getting scarce 
> locally so I ordered some from an Amazon seller, and some from a place 
> that specializes in hard to find items.? They're of two brands, all 
> 3.5 volt for 35-light sets.? Every one I install lights for a second 
> and burns out immediately.? They don't look overly bright as if they 
> were for a lower voltage.? Once burned out the string still stays lit 
> because they have the same jumper as the originals.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks !
> Karl
>
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From jem at milleredp.com  Mon Nov 28 12:05:58 2022
From: jem at milleredp.com (John Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:05:58 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly
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On 11/26/2022 6:24 AM, Doug Braun wrote:
> 
> Those Amazon models look pretty plasticky - I double they would survive 
> a 400 lb. tool, especially the $23 model.
> 
> I have two of this Bora model: 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PATV14A 
> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PATV14A>.? One holds my bandsaw, 
> and the other my mini-mill and
> the chest of drawers (full of tools) it stands on.? They work great, and 
> my mini-mill setup probably weighs 400 lb.

Worthwhile knowing, thanks.  I have my lighter stuff (bench grinder, 
belt sander, plasma cutter) on a somewhat reinforced bolt-up steel 
projector cart.  Works a treat for that, but nothing heavier.

John.


From jblair1948 at cox.net  Tue Nov 29 07:12:24 2022
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 09:12:24 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Dolly - Final
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Gang,

Again, I want to thank everyone for their input on a moble base for a 
table saw.
It's a 1950-1960s Delta and heavy.  To be truthful, it's my son's and not mine.

When the JohnC, oldest - 42 (in rhe Army stationed at Ft Meed) and 
ScottE, the youngest - 38 where here for Xgiving we had been talking 
about using something like car scates, to be able to move the table 
saw at ScottE's place.  It is currently
setting in the bay closest to the main door and my Morgan is in the 
front bay.  So
we can't get the car out of the garage. :(

Thanks for all the input from everyone.  I keep feeding ScottE your 
info. as he &
I continue our research.  He ended up liking the Grizzly Bear Claw 
bases.  I wanted
to get him one for Xmas.  He was slow getting me any info on what he actually
wanted, so I ended up getting him T31566 - Bear Crawl All-Swivel HD 
Mobile Base.

Thanks again to everyone, I really appreciated your help!

John





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